I love the idea of CSR, the fact that you can have a 1 miss anywhere in a map and its weighted the same is great.... BUT I still feel like the pp system doesn't punish bad acc enough. idc if you have 0 misses on a map, if you have 84% acc you clearly cannot play that map and the pp should just be nerfed to basically nothing.
I love CSR, but I see the issue with it. I don't have a clue on how to fix the issue, but I feel like making misses more punishable the more you get, as well as including sliderbreaks into the misscount would help a lot. Like, you get your combo scaling removal, but you get penalized more for missing, and the amount you're punished increases the more you miss. I don't know if this would break the entire point of CSR, or if there's a better workaround, cus I know nothing about the PP system.
@jotsa i read somewhere that it's not. first couple misses are the most harsh and then after that they are less harsh. tbh good fix for that could be: misses on short low object count maps should punish pp more than on longer maps
@@VictoorONosu i think maybe there should be an eventual increase in penality when you have a large amount of miss scaled with how many objects of the map but this would also run into an issue with length abuse
yea maps with a lot of easy filler with 1 or 2 diff spikes could be abused BUT i still think that would make players play those longer maps in the long run
CSR make the game more enjoyable, no CSR make the game more entertainable, that's sad but I give less attention to 500 - 800 pp top score even if some of them are 10x harder to get than those fake 1k. we got a nomod pp record, no one even cared we are now considering the performance of a score only with it's pp value, that's sad
after like 5 misses on that short of a map it rly shouldnt be worth much, even less with 85% acc, csr overall is a good rework but man its so broken with high miss low acc plays, in what world is that even close to a 800pp play
if any of those scores eventually get nerfed to 500 and below I'll actually combust, I love accuracy and combo but like it's an 11 miss on a 11.56* map which is literally almost one entire star rating higher than my first 500pp score was even without DT lmao (7.61* vs 6.78*) I get that these scores look ugly and whatever but they're still absolutely not supposed to be 500pp or lower, I agree that 800 might be pushing it but not having it be at least like 600-650pp would just not make any sense to me
Yeah nah I was about to comment something similar, and I see this opinion being thrown around a lot about csr being a terrible rework because ppl are getting top plays with high misscount etc. This map I think we can all agree is fcable by mrekk and maybe a couple other players but we currently only have mrekk who JUST 1 missed it a day ago which was worth 1700. The map is worth 1900ish for an fc with hddt so even though I think the acc should be a bit more punishing, 11 misses is actually an insane pass for someone who before the rework was a 4 digit and the map itself is pretty overweight anyways. No way this should be under 650ish at the end of the day which is pushing it
this guys top play is 994, im not saying the map is perfectly weighted but im saying if someone can get 994pp on a map then getting 805pp on a higher diff makes sense, if you disagree with this you fundamentally misunderstand pp. high misscount is already overpunishing (if you run these >10x replays on cs2 its worth a lot more because muh low misscount) saying that CSR has a problem is saying that these maps are worth in FC value which is REALLY dumb
i feel like adding larger penalties for misses on short maps like unsloppable and time to slop goodbye and song that might play when you fight slop would be an easy fix to this issue
@@FedoraChan fun fact, csr stands for combo scaling removal. Combo means nothing now! Lets be real though: this is a previously 4 digit playing an 11.5* map and getting 11 misses with yeah shit acc and combo, but the map is literally worth 1900 pp for an fc and is WAYY beyond the skill range of anything worth 800 for an fc.
Can we be so real for a second? Yeah csr isn't perfect and aim slop is overweighted rn, but really think about it. Someone who was previously a 4 digit, just did an 11.5* pass with 11 misses. Who tf cares about combo when we are talking about 11.5 stars. This was very clearly a pass attempt that ended in a crazy good run and considering the map is worth 1900 for an fc, I don't see how 700 after the nerf is a problem. It doesn't exactly feel right to say there's not any skill in that or the play shouldn't be worth anything when objectively, passes with more than a couple misses even on extremely difficult maps have always been WAY undervalued before csr, and csr was looking to change that. I think the problem here is this isn't entirely csr's fault, its aim slop. Similar to aim farm in 2016-2018
@@clerics6869 to be honest, it’s not that far off. These maps are similar to the passes paraqueet would do back in 2020 but now that players are fcing or capable of fcing the community decides to say “it’s overweighted and over star rated” as if the player base hasn’t just gotten better. And let me be clear they’re right it’s overweighted somewhat but not by that much
@@opensand8228 I think people are just so against recognizing that the average player base has gotten better. Jumps at this level were SO unrealistic for any player when mrekk hit number 1 and now multiple top players are farming it like it’s nothing.
Do you remember your lowest ever combo pass? What was it?
Sadly i don't, but i know for sure that it wasn't lower than 29 💀
1 combo on inferno top diff+ dt hr hd fl nf so
11 combo on vivid 4mod 😢
definitely not 29 of all things
@@forayz2385 thats not a pass
I sorta wish he reacted to the replay i want to see what that garbage looks like
Its not 1000 on leaderbaord so he cant watch it
spoiler: 1 trillion sliderbreaks
imagine mrekk playng an 11 star jump map except he misses half the jumps
I love the idea of CSR, the fact that you can have a 1 miss anywhere in a map and its weighted the same is great.... BUT I still feel like the pp system doesn't punish bad acc enough. idc if you have 0 misses on a map, if you have 84% acc you clearly cannot play that map and the pp should just be nerfed to basically nothing.
Since when 84% equates to not being able to play the map?
@@Microcolnovka since, when you play a rhythm game you tend to need to hit the notes to the music. 84% is shit
@ZeeBlueDino
Bro, you are claiming that whoever gets 84% should be executed
@ZeeBlueDinoyeah but you can still fix your tapping, your aim is still really good regardless for acc
a 29 combo 800pp play, oh my lord 😭
wait this is actually entertaining LMAO
I love CSR, but I see the issue with it. I don't have a clue on how to fix the issue, but I feel like making misses more punishable the more you get, as well as including sliderbreaks into the misscount would help a lot. Like, you get your combo scaling removal, but you get penalized more for missing, and the amount you're punished increases the more you miss. I don't know if this would break the entire point of CSR, or if there's a better workaround, cus I know nothing about the PP system.
i think thats already how it is
Punish low acc the way mania does it
@jotsa i read somewhere that it's not. first couple misses are the most harsh and then after that they are less harsh. tbh good fix for that could be: misses on short low object count maps should punish pp more than on longer maps
@@VictoorONosu i think maybe there should be an eventual increase in penality when you have a large amount of miss scaled with how many objects of the map but this would also run into an issue with length abuse
yea maps with a lot of easy filler with 1 or 2 diff spikes could be abused BUT i still think that would make players play those longer maps in the long run
CSR make the game more enjoyable, no CSR make the game more entertainable, that's sad but I give less attention to 500 - 800 pp top score even if some of them are 10x harder to get than those fake 1k. we got a nomod pp record, no one even cared we are now considering the performance of a score only with it's pp value, that's sad
Luciano and cookiezi lost like 10 ranks in a week and they are both still top100.. like come on
Welcome to the new future. Welcome to the new ERAA
Seems like we need a rework again...
after like 5 misses on that short of a map it rly shouldnt be worth much, even less with 85% acc, csr overall is a good rework but man its so broken with high miss low acc plays, in what world is that even close to a 800pp play
if any of those scores eventually get nerfed to 500 and below I'll actually combust, I love accuracy and combo but like it's an 11 miss on a 11.56* map which is literally almost one entire star rating higher than my first 500pp score was even without DT lmao (7.61* vs 6.78*)
I get that these scores look ugly and whatever but they're still absolutely not supposed to be 500pp or lower, I agree that 800 might be pushing it but not having it be at least like 600-650pp would just not make any sense to me
Yeah nah I was about to comment something similar, and I see this opinion being thrown around a lot about csr being a terrible rework because ppl are getting top plays with high misscount etc.
This map I think we can all agree is fcable by mrekk and maybe a couple other players but we currently only have mrekk who JUST 1 missed it a day ago which was worth 1700. The map is worth 1900ish for an fc with hddt so even though I think the acc should be a bit more punishing, 11 misses is actually an insane pass for someone who before the rework was a 4 digit and the map itself is pretty overweight anyways. No way this should be under 650ish at the end of the day which is pushing it
btw, the 29 conbo 800 guy was the guy who mapped the original R U 4 ME?
all they need to do is make sliderbreaks count as misses and it would improve so many of these plays.
this guys top play is 994, im not saying the map is perfectly weighted but im saying if someone can get 994pp on a map then getting 805pp on a higher diff makes sense, if you disagree with this you fundamentally misunderstand pp. high misscount is already overpunishing (if you run these >10x replays on cs2 its worth a lot more because muh low misscount) saying that CSR has a problem is saying that these maps are worth in FC value which is REALLY dumb
yeah this is exactly it. I do think though that sliderbreaks not counting as misses does really skew the viewpoint from the stats though.
high misscount is already overpunishing fym lol
Well they have a billion sliderbreaks, the sliderbreak estimation is not strict enough
pp is just moving away from wanting players to aim for perfection in their plays
i feel like adding larger penalties for misses on short maps like unsloppable and time to slop goodbye and song that might play when you fight slop would be an easy fix to this issue
4:04 say that again
ok now i see some problems with csr
i got cooked
loll
4:15 they should
didn't imagine bubbleman to be one of those crybabys bro just farm the maps
i know this comment is stupid but i dont know how to explain why in an articulate manner so i just wanted to leave this comment to call u a dumbass
did we watch the same video ? 10% of the maps combo , for 800 pp
@@FedoraChan he literally went through a guy with most of his tops being fcs and complained because ermmrm its slop, grown ass man bro
@@FedoraChan fun fact, csr stands for combo scaling removal. Combo means nothing now!
Lets be real though: this is a previously 4 digit playing an 11.5* map and getting 11 misses with yeah shit acc and combo, but the map is literally worth 1900 pp for an fc and is WAYY beyond the skill range of anything worth 800 for an fc.
Can we be so real for a second? Yeah csr isn't perfect and aim slop is overweighted rn, but really think about it. Someone who was previously a 4 digit, just did an 11.5* pass with 11 misses. Who tf cares about combo when we are talking about 11.5 stars. This was very clearly a pass attempt that ended in a crazy good run and considering the map is worth 1900 for an fc, I don't see how 700 after the nerf is a problem. It doesn't exactly feel right to say there's not any skill in that or the play shouldn't be worth anything when objectively, passes with more than a couple misses even on extremely difficult maps have always been WAY undervalued before csr, and csr was looking to change that.
I think the problem here is this isn't entirely csr's fault, its aim slop. Similar to aim farm in 2016-2018
honestly i feel like they just have to do something about how sr scales, cuz it kinda goes wild at high bpms, but then again idk
You're missing the point which is that this map should not be 11.5*
@@clerics6869 to be honest, it’s not that far off. These maps are similar to the passes paraqueet would do back in 2020 but now that players are fcing or capable of fcing the community decides to say “it’s overweighted and over star rated” as if the player base hasn’t just gotten better. And let me be clear they’re right it’s overweighted somewhat but not by that much
@@opensand8228 I think people are just so against recognizing that the average player base has gotten better. Jumps at this level were SO unrealistic for any player when mrekk hit number 1 and now multiple top players are farming it like it’s nothing.
@@ethos728 u right
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they have to revert csr or just unrank all these slop maps bro
no need to revert, they just need to fix everything
xoat has spoken
@@monarc727 :clueless:
@ fax or cap
They just should nerve low Acc plays
I think slider and epitaph are op maps that need to be nerfed ;)
I hate the current meta
Bro complaining but can’t even pass these maps😂
Ok you don't have to be a chef to criticize food
@@SethRoganSeth yknow hes a top player right? this would make him a "chef"
@@sadsloth2936 Literally one of the best tournament players in osu! history lmao
Dude your top play is absolutely fucking shameful, how dare you even comment something like that. 🤣
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