Part 2 - Firey CPS Case - Snark vs Sass
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"She's lived there her entire life!" She's only 1.5 years old. She's young enough for a well planned transition. I'm extremely concerned that the caregiver is keeping the child from visitations and calls.
That's very common especially if the child is young. In my state its easier to adopt if you are a foster parent.
Same here!! They're up to something!!
Agreed. She is trying to steal the baby. Even if the parents are 100% compliant and on the straight and narrow, beyond this hearing, she will NEVER want to give the baby back. Caregiver will do anything, manipulate anyone, and play the system to keep her sisters and emilos baby for herself.
What about the other three kids not in her care. This case is up for debate about her long-term care of any of her kids, and baby born with meth should be something that this court should not take lightly. CPS is overwhelmed with case - often too many chances have been given to children - at the expense of the children and their stability. Her relapse history and history of not having any of her kids in her custody should be reason to go low and slow. She want to complain now about visitation....that makes me laugh.
Seriously her demeanor/ facial expressions the entire time was inappropriate and then bringing the child on she should have been in contempt
Emily is questioning Emilio hard, I think we should question Greene where she got that ugly jacket. We need answer’s
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Kinda immature but 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆
It's ugly yes
@@cynthiatownsend7042 that’s what my doctors said about my face
Keller-Green is taking advantage of the father by using big words and confusing him, he may not be a scholar but that's not proof he is a bad guy. I feel like they want to drag the case out until mom and dad are deemed to be perfect and by then the child won't know them anymore. This is my problem with the child going to family who doesn't understand that the goal is reunification when possible.
Let’s not forget it’s more money for CPS
And English clearly is not his first language either. I'm glad he's saying when he doesn't understand and not just agreeing to everything.
@@catherineeckstein2705 it's so sad but true
I think wells is contributing to dragging the case out. I want to hear what she has to say
The sister Hailey Wells is definitely the key to holding the kid back from the parents, she selfishly wants to keep the child instead of reunification with the parents, I'm sure she has a negative history with the Mom and is using that as justification for keeping the child, plus there's always the money, sad but true
Keller-Green wants them to know she's the smartest person in the room. She reads books, eats chips & uses $50 words.
Translation for Keller-Green: It doesn't make you more when you try to make someone else less. Good customer/ client/ patient services depends on clear communication. Try it!
Well stated!
She thinks her intimidation tactics are impressive. Her approach shows that she is a cold hearted b,,,h. Very offputting.
I really don't like these cps people. They are not for the unification and the thing about the sister is concerning.
Yes, it's clearly the presence of the sister in this case that has turned the case on its head. The law doesn't support the notion that if there's a 'better parent' waiting in the wings, then the child goes to the best one. The law is that when parents successfully work their plans and can show no current danger to the child, the child must be returned. I feel for the sister, but this isn't a parenting contest, and the law here is not on her side.
@@-HeyLyd- I just hope the judge sees it that way. This is an example of how broken the cps system is.
I dont like how the CPS worker is trying to manipulate the dad.
Maybe people with kids should know not to take meth.
@@cinder7183they are both currently sober
@@cinder7183 If your point is that everyone who has an addiction should have their parental rights terminated -- despite evidence of their later sobriety -- then we better come up with a whole lot of alternative housing for the kids of every parent out there who abuses alcohol, opioids, marijuana, and various other drugs. Your statement is simplistic in the extreme.
So it's cps that is at fault for parents using Meth?
Their job is to PROTECT children.
If you hate cps stop using drugs.
Simple formula.
@@-HeyLyd- I would agree with you EXCEPT the fact that mom has already lost custody of other children… and still placed this baby in so much danger. She will struggle forever 💔
He was a father the moment that child was born. He absolutely deserves to be notified if his daughter undergoes surgery. To keep that information away from the mother and father is not right. They are concerned about his 4 visits, yet any other father goes home without any lessons straight from the hospital. The only difference is that CPS doesn't know those people who could go home and do heroine that same day. These people in CPS sometimes go too far. They are trying to give that child to Jessica's sister. That idiot lawyer for the sister is asking if he remembers dates from months ago. It has nothng to do with whether you love your child or not. The fact that he got her pregnant says he was involved with her prior to the case. Should they have called CPS then? Sheesh!!! I donn't care for how long the child's been with the sister, she is not her child. For a sister to deny that child her real mother is sad.
It's really irritating how Keller-Green keeps talking about his "extensive criminal history" I would hardly call 2 possibly 3 arrests (2 same charge) extensive.
Yea I agree, he messed up and did his time. He didn't hurt anyone, outside a scuffle with his dad (not ok but still not the crime of the century)
There might be a juvenile history that isn’t public. This cps attorney acts like an immature teenager receiving a lecture. 🙄
@@justanothersmith6012 😂🤣😂🤣TRUE
DAD IS A DRUG DEALER THAT HASNT BEEN CAUGHT DEALING YET. BIO MOM IS ON HER WAY BACK TO USING ESPECIALLY IF SHE GETS POSSESSION OF THAT CHILD. SHE'S NEVER HAD TO BE A FULL TIME MOM BEFORE, ALL OF HER CHILDREN ARE SCATTERED AROUND TO DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS PRECIOUS CHILD WAS BORN WITH DEFECTS BECAUSE OF BIO MOMS METH USE WHILE PREGNANT. SHE DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE BABY GROWING INSIDE HER WOMB, ALL HER SELFISH AZZ CARED ABOUT WAS HER NEXT HIT!
@@justanothersmith6012 his juvenile record should be sealed and only accessed by an order from the judge and that is usually only done in my experience if the charges are relevant.
My Opinion hasn't changed since the first video so far I believe CPS and the aunt are trying to keep the child with the aunt and I'm not hearing any evidence that that should happen.
I don't like the parents, but the sister is giving off a weird, cruel vibe. She snuck the child onto the screen in the previous video which is he highly inappropriate
Her and Keller-Green seem to have a motive outside the scope of the duties of the court. IMO. Not a good vibe at all. Granted, dad really should be prepared for such questions, as this is a child we're talking about. However, the tone from the sister and KG is suspicious. I also suspect dad's first language is not English, which KG probably also notices, but she seems to want to use this as an advantage for her goal. IMO
I’ll bet the sister is barren and this is the only way she could get a child…evil ‘runt’(word that sounds like that-ahem)…
@@catherineeckstein2705 or couldn't get a guy to impregnate her . Cranky ol biddy 🤣
@@loosie5224 bingo
@@catherineeckstein2705 That's exactly what I was thinking. What a bitch.
And of course the judge just lets CPS run roughshod, he's part of the system. These two could be cleaned 5 years, and they'd still be asking the exact same questions trying to frame it as if they were hitting meth in the parking lot outside the courthouse
This judge is pretty bad. The male lawyer asked Emilio a question that is objected to because it will probably require supposition as an answer.
Judge asks male lawyer if his question will require supposition, lawyer says no.
Judge overrules objection, then male lawyer asks the same question, which requires supposition! "Do you think the child has a bond with the caretaker?"
I hate when they say, " you would agree with me", it comes off as very manipulative. She keeps speaking over him when he's answering her questions. I'm not sure these two are ready to have the child back yet but I feel like Keller-Green has it out for them. Mom & Dad are clearly not mensa candidates but I feel like she's taking advantage of that. I could be dead wrong too. 🤷🏻♀️
It is manipulative… it’s to create reasonable doubt & make it seem like they agree, regardless of what they say.
I totally 100% agree. It’s almost like they’re not happy that they have done what was asked and they need them to fail. Rather than do what’s best for the child. I don’t think they’re ready just yet but if they carry on as they are. They may not be exactly model parents. But as long as they’re clean and addressing/addressed their problems they should not be denied access to their child
I agree with you
Emilio has his act together better than I do, and I'm squeaky clean! 👏🏼
You probably should edit this opinion by now, after it was revealed what the nonce perpetrated on his own chil🥺😣. Nasty beast that non human.
The sister has fallen in love (understandably) with her and sees herself as the lion at the gate. A well structured plan for transition is needed. These obviously flawed parents have done what was required of them and more. Some best people I know were raised by very flawed parents that loved their children fiercely and worked hard to do right by their children. Rough around the edges? Absolutely, doesn't mean they can't raise an outstanding child.
I was waiting for part 2! Thanks for uploading so quickly!!!
Same ❤
I know I spent half the night waiting for two, now I’m dying for part three also does anyone know where to find the video about wocb
This case infuriates me. These parents are doing everything they've been asked and more and cps is still trying to make them look like the villains. Shame on them. They say they're about family reunification. They should be cheering them on and hoping they do what they need to do to get their child back. The ad litem really tried to use it against dad because he wanted to hear his daughters voice. And for wanting his family to be together. Smh. This case is exactly what makes me distrust cps.
I agree in this case; and I'm not someone who automatically vilifies CPS for everything they do. If you give parents a service plan so that they can reunify but then change your goal to give the child to an aunt, that makes the whole service plan process a farce.
Of course, it's tough that the child has bonded with the aunt and will have to be moved to the mother, but CPS knew that this would be the case from the beginning. CPS wants the aunt to have the child, I get it, but you can't just terminate parents' rights without a finding that there's actual current danger if the child is returned. That's what the law requires, and CPS knows it. This is why you need a judge and can't just let CPS do whatever they please. If this judge (who doesn't appear very favorably inclined toward the parents) terminates rights in favor of the aunt, I predict an easy reversal on appeal.
@@-HeyLyd- I used to think cps were the good guys. Unfortunately, once it became profitable for cps to remove children that all changed. I don't trust cps at all.
I agree with you 100%!! I noticed from doing some research on CPS in general that when a child is placed in CPS care CPS gets federal funding and then if a child is adopted out they get a “bonus” of a couple thousand dollars with the most amount given if they are adopted to a non related family ….. seems to me that in some states CPS is more concerned about the federal funds they are getting than they are with the care of the children
@@cmckinney2318 I'm seeing way too many cases that prove what you're saying and it's beyond disturbing. 😩
I’ve never had involvement with CPS, but when you see obvious abuses like they’re doing here, and combine that with the horrible failure they had with the 13 Turpin children where they “saved” them from abusive parents and threw them right into abusive foster parents and ignored them…. I have zero faith in that system.
I see two parents who WANT their child back, the mom has shown she’s doing the work and getting a much better life. They kept harping on the father about him “not having experience” or only seeing his child “4 times”…. ALL fathers have no experience with their first child. None! And no classes and no supervision. If he had not been in prison when she was caught using… he would have easily won custody of the child. The aunt would NOT have had anything on him to take the child - refusing him anything but full access to HIS baby?? That’s criminal. Any father coming out of prison (provided he wasn’t in prison because of doing anything to mom or child), IS immediately allowed with their children. No supervision regardless of why they were in prison!
This case really gets me irritated. The mom and dads lawyers were “okay”, but they should have pounced on these irrelevant issues and obvious retaliation tactics. I hope they get that aunt TF out of the way; and she knows, she’ll NEVER be around that baby again, mom and dad should never allow it once they’re all done with the system. Aunts like that need to be tossed to the wind. SMH.
CPA and sister trying to take daughter away from the parents..
“ ….before Serenity is just ‘laid out ‘in front of you”- Ms. Keiler-Green
WTF? Ms. Green’s choice of wording, eye-rolling, neck- cracking and over all attitude is EXTREMELY nasty and aggressive.
I think she has taken advantage of the fact that this man is a) nervous AF and b) having a tough time understanding/following to confuse him and attempt to make him look bad.
Also, as far as the DV charge, IF his father really is lying about an assault, I don’t blame him for repeatedly stating so. I’d be screaming it from the rooftops if I were lied about and had to serve over a year based on the lie. The issue is that so many people recuse to accept rest that you never know who is really the truth.
Overall, I think that these parents are working their butts off to prove themselves.
Both parents are jumping all the hoops CPS has thrown at them.
The “situation “ is the aunt did a wonderful thing and took in the baby so she wouldn’t go into foster care. Creating a bond is what any decent adult would have done. Ms Wells shouldn’t have done it if she planned on wanting to keep her. I hated that line of questioning. What do you mean should her bond with her aunt be disrupted? It’s apparent then she didn’t do it to help her sister or her niece if those questions needed to be asked. No matter what, she is not her mom and dad and I really hope they stay clean and get her back. 😢
I’m positive she could still have a bond because regardless that’s her niece. But it seems if Jessica were to get her baby back the relationship between the sisters would be strained. Who’s fault is that? I’m kinda leaning toward the aunt because I feel she’s purposely keeping the baby from her bio parents.
Why wouldn't her sister inform the mom about any medical issues the child is having? Control? The foster care payments? Mom is doing all the steps requested of her.
This is absolutely ridiculous! This judge needs to pull this crap together. It is OBVIOUS that cps the “sister” and all their supporting attorneys (including the child’s attorney) are working HARD to alienate these parents from this child. Most importantly it isn’t often you see parents totally engaged in their service plans and even going above and beyond. This is the OPPOSITE of how these cases are supposed to go! Shame on them!!
I agree, and I also sense by the judge's rulings that he's at least somewhat on board with the "pro-aunt" group. I get it, it totally sucks that kids have their lives disrupted and bonds broken over addiction; but the law is clear on parents being unified if they comply with their service plans. If the judge lets his personal inclination guide him and he doesn't follow the law, as reaffirmed by Supreme Court rulings on parent's rights, he'll just be reversed on appeal.
💯 I watch a lot of these and have NEVER seen both parents working this hard. They should be rewarded not punished.
Yeah, the CPS worker is definitely not in favor of even coming to a small degree of understanding, whilst, of course, his past is in question, as is moms, obviously, protect the child, but that’s not what they are supposed to do and she is using her power as abuse , confusing him, confusing me, and I am a sober person, interested in the laws 100%, that’s not my opinion that’s a fact I have to keep watching,✌🏻
How refreshing to see two parents learning and growing while seemingly doing everything they can to satisfy cps and get their daughter back. Fingers crossed for this family!
I don’t normally want to ever accuse a judge of being one sided, but this judge gives off those vibes. Be happy these 2 are actually trying and showing up. I wish them all the luck in the world. The system is against them.
Well I hit "like" because I like you taking the trouble to put these out. But can't say I'm enjoying watching how this system operates. Have to say Emilio has better anger management and self control than I'm having right now...
Well said ! I agree
ME TOO
Right!
Wow! The daddy is trying so hard! So is mom! This kills me
How do they expect people to know exact dates of everything… as if they’re writing every little thing down. Like I wouldn’t know a date I received a letter even if I wasn’t in jail. That’s a weird thing for someone to expect
I love your videos! No talking thru it but your memes and opinions are great!!! Thanks.
If I knew this court had other hearings online I would watch them over and over so I would learn how to answer questions, direct and to the point ugh
I can't wait until part 3! Let's see how the sister is going to lie and are they going to talk with the mother?
ONTROPOLIS PLEASE DONT MAKE US WAIT TILL TOMORROW PLEASE
I thought that CPS was about Unification of families and this is one where they have a mom and Dad who are working the program and CPS is working really hard to keep them from their kid, I think the sister is the key, she is yapping to CPS and got them working against the parents to keep the little girl, and I do have to say that he did initially CHOOSE to do Meth, the secondary effect is addiction, but it does always begin with a choice
I cannot be the only one yelling at the CPS lawyer....Keller-Green, right?!?! Two parents trying their best to do the right thing!
I hate the way she sits when she’s questioning witnesses like she’s gossiping with her bff
Keiler Green is a defensive, self righteous...person...This hearing is about the welfare of a child and getting her parents to support her. NOT about Ms Keiler Green's attitude. She thinks she's the judge. So glad the Dad has a lawyer.
These 2 parents are doing better than any of the others I've watched on your channel! They completed their requirements and have even done extra. CPS can't change the criteria or raise the bar now, for no reason. I understand CPS is wary considering their past drug history (so am I). I'm shocked I'm saying this b/c I HATE drugs and have seen first hand in the NICU how these poor babies suffer when born addicted, but the parents should be given a chance. It's sad but true that if we permanently removed all kids from parents who use drugs, even meth, there would be no place for them to all go!
The CPS lawyer is good. She asked a question that was impossible for the father to answer with what he actually wants. She said something like, “isn’t it true you should have the opportunity to show the department you can folllow the plan before you can have contact with the child.” I know that’s not exact question but if he said yes he was saying he shouldn’t have visits until he is done with what they want if he said no it sounds like he refuses to comply. CPS lawyers shouldn’t be that sneaky. It almost seems like their job is to fight for removal no matter what.
I completely agree with other comments about this father being railroaded. He does not understand some of the manipulative leading questions, such as "What are your triggers?" For what? Holding meth?
I'm a Neonatal Nurse Practitioner and a foster parent solely for medically fragile babies. These parents have done everything asked of them. The mother volunteered that she slipped in her sobriety with alcohol x1, was not "caught" but self reported and asked to lengthen her own sober living. THAT is a dream of a parent!
Unbelievable that the child had surgeries without the parents being notified! Even if CPS had legal custody, to foster a continued relationship and parental involvement, CPS should absolutely inform them ahead of time!
OMG! The aunt, the kin placement, is NOT a party to this case, unless if and when parental rights would be terminated. CPS's primary goal is REUNIFICATION!
what a lot that people don't realize, it's not always the CPS Investigator and/or caseworker that pushes these things. a lot of times it's the leadership pushing it and the worker has to defend it, whether they agree or not. there has been a few times I was required to enforce leadership conclusions that I didn't agree with.
When I had fosters who required medical treatment the parents were not allowed to attend any appointments or medical procedures nor was I allowed to discuss it with them. Only the case worker was allowed to discuss those things with the parents.
Wow… must be different for each state.. I often see Bio parents along with foster parents in my profession.
This was the same when I fostered my nephew. I wish my sister was as compliant as this mom. Getting clean is hard work. This mom is trying.
Part 3 is gonna be a doozy!
Omg cant wait to see how this ends!
How can dad prove he isn't a danger to the child if dad is not allowed more access to said child to prove that?
Keller-Green, should not be working with any social service providers. Noted she prejudges all as the same and doesn't listen to the individual(s).
I think i am always biased against cps because even when the parents try- ultimately cps frequently starts trying to take kids away regardless.
100%.
A huge problem in Philadelphia.
it doesn't seem that either of these parents are only guilty of making bad choices. they didn't hurt their child. they were neglectful. this cps woman treats them like monsters. Mom and Dad seem to want to be better. this CPS chick acts like the Moral Police
“They didn’t hurt their child” 😮 You have never seen a newborn go through withdrawal and it shows 💔💔
CPS withholding your child and your sister threatening to take her away permanently, despite the fact that you are working hard to complete services stay clean...I would say that's a pretty big trigger!
The majority of these questions have been asked over and over again. They keep treating him like he’s some repeat violent offender who has like 10 dv charges and has been in prison the majority of his life. He’s also the father of the baby… wouldn’t it make sense if they worked on their relationship eventually and got back together if it is possible? Jesus this case makes me so angry.. this is ridiculous! Not to mention the end questions about the child being with Mrs Wells her whole life and if it was be good for her to be taken out of that home.. why would he ask THE FATHER that question?! I need to go take a bath or something now. This case is me heated lol
I was thinking wouldn’t they want them to be a family with mom and dad? I understand they could be concerned with them both being ex meth users but they’ve provided proof of their recovery and treatment.
Trailer living, truck stop employment, neither of these are possible "triggers" to re-use drugs or drink?
I know she is trying but I wouldn't trust her with a kid at the moment.
Sorry, but there are no rules that work for everybody, in my opinion, some are just classist assumptions. Technically according to AA, she shouldn't be dating during her first year of sobriety either. My sister, who was sober for 50+ years until her death, worked in a bar for the first 3 years after leaving the rehab, until she resumed her profession. When everybody expressed surprise, she'd say, You've no idea how sick the smell of alcohol makes me now.
Of course the child will build a bond with the caregiver. If that's a reason for no reunification, then no parent would ever get their kids back.
Okay I am all for the safety of a child, that is the most important thing but this case really makes me understand why people hate cps. It’s like they made a decision they wouldn’t get the baby back and now will do whatever to ensure they don’t.
The inconsistencies is frustrating! They zone in on some and barely look into others!
Greene is like a cat sharpening her claws just waiting for her chance
That is a lot for not being out very long. Especially considering he has stuff for probation to stay on top of as well as trying to get amd keep a job. I have had parents of fosters have to work nights or several part time jobs just to be able to have the days free to complete the treatment plan not to mention pay their bills, pay child support, AND pay for the services they are court mandated to complete. It is not as easy as some think
with all due respect to the role of cps, etc, this seems like a case of bureaucracy gone wild in an attempt to steal the child from the parents regardless of what the parents do to get better. this is a big overreach in my opinion from some pretty nasty people.
CPS is supposed to be about family reunification. I get that these parents don’t have all their ducks in a row right now….but the Dad really doesn’t have an “extensive” criminal past as Miss Kelly-Green says. He had the charge of possession that he was on probation for & he got into a little tiff & his Dad got mad & called the cops but dropped the charges realizing he made a mistake & honestly, I work in the criminal Justice system & it’s CRUEL! The state picks up those charges & your done for! So the Mom is pregnant, her man goes to prison for 14 months & she’s ANGRY….did you hear her say her trigger is anger? So she uses. I’m not saying it was right because no baby should be exposed to drugs in the womb! BUT…look at Dad’s progress since he was in & since he’s gotten out! He’s taken classes in prison & out that weren’t even on his plan to take. He’s doing everything he has to do to get his baby back! Mom…well, I don’t know but I wish her the best in her sobriety & I hope they are able to get their baby back. It sounds like CPS is NOT about reunification & all about giving the baby to the sister. 😢
He had a couple things against him it’s not like he was a hardened criminal
Why does it matter WHEN he got his treatment plan? He worked that treatment plan as soon as he got released and completed it.
I don't see why it matters that he didn't know exact dates. He can't exactly call them like he said. Not to mention it should be CPS' responsibility to notify the parents and keep them updated on their child's medical care/needs.
This is ridiculous
I sympathize with the parents and applaud their efforts but NO WAY are they ready to take on the care of the child. Way way way too early in sobriety.
Atty Emily Keller Green is such a cold hearted b. . She should be in corporate law, not family law.
Listening to him testify is just painful! 😢
Collard Green just wanted to exact revenge on what he said about her.
So unprofessional.
I kept hearing Collard Green too. 😂
@@waypay1 I knew I wouldn't be alone. I'm Aussie too hahah
Not making excuses for either parent but I do believe that the dept didn't tell them stuff. My step kid was in state custody for a week before my husband found out even though we called that same dept six months before that. Met with them several times and even went to court. My husband found out thru the school. When we pressed for an explanation we got nothing. My husband spent two years getting his daughter back when she never should have been in foster care in the first place, she could have been with him. And yes he had joint custody. The state just dropped the ball.
Talked about a stacked deck! There is a real “plan” to strip these parents of their hard-fought relationship with THEIR daughter. It’s an unnecessarily adversarial hearing. Very little focus on moving towards reunification with mom and involving dad.
I’m sick over this.
I like Ms/Mrs Pearsall! I've seen her on the other side of things in other cases.. Great lawyer!
I don't like how these lawyers (primarily the CPS & GAL) are obviously either bias toward the parents or they're attempting to attack the other lawyers through their clients' faults. It really seems like the Mother, at the very least, is doing a really great job and her giving custody to her parents is a GREAT sign that she knows how to do what's best for her children, whether or not she's stepping up in the ways she needs to, and whether it's easy to do or not. (Clearly the hardest thing a parent could do!)
Keep up the good work, parents! We need less grandparents raising grandkids and I love to see parents admitting their wrongdoings and working at bettering themselves, whether it proves fruitful or not and despite how impossibly hard it is to recover from addiction. Especially considering how hard it is to fight CPS.
It’s concerning that Hailey is definitely trying to punish her sister by keeping her child from her. Hailey is definitely using the baby as a pawn, in some sick game. She’s just gross to look at. I know what she’s up to. How the Judge doesn’t see it, I don’t know.
I don't understand why they are being so aggressive with the parents. I know drug use is bad but these aren't the worst I've seen. They really want the foster mom to be able to adopt don't they?
Remember this mom has no custody of any of her children. The court and CPS want to know this won’t be the same fate for Serenity
She technically signed her children over to her mother, they weren't taken from her. It takes a good mother to be selfless enough to know her children are better off with someone else. Also, people do change. She is doing really well and should not be punished for the rest of her life for her past.
The baby was born "dirty", if you know you are growing a human and you cannot stop yourself from using poison, you are going to be scrutinized and should be. I do believe in second chances and I do believe people overcome addiction but having your child protected to make sure you are doing well is to be expected. My problem is I do not think CPS is consistent with expectations.
That's a part of it I can't get past... it is Def still something going on with her...
@brendashelton4400 so what YOU can't get over it that speaks a lot 2 your judgemental character. She's doing everything they ask and you are on here throwing a vague accusation smh. Ppl like you are the type that need to always think your better then someone else 💯 you are as bad as any other Karen out there Brenda lmao
@@brendashelton4400 you know this how? She’s done everything CPS has asked her to do. Everyone deserves a chance if they have changed and did everything they were told to do. Come on! It’s all about the money! CPS workers get bonuses and the sister is getting a stipend.
I keep hearing 'Collard Green' instead of Keller Green
God Emilio is such a bore.. imagine trying to have an interesting conversation with him..
Me too 🤣
These parents are having the fact that they have only seen their child a few times held against them, when it's because of the department that their access has been so limited. This case sucks!
These lawyers need to realize (not being mean) that these two, especially the dad, aren't the brightest people around. Simplify the questions without talking down to him.
Don't kid yourself. Everybody in the room knows! And they are ALL absolutely using both the parents' lack of sophistication in this arena against them, as well as their utter honesty. I have seen many biological parents shade their answers with half truths and exaggerations and unprovable misrepresentations - not because they are bad people, but because they are outmatched and the stakes are their children. But these two appear completely guileless and therefore unable to play the game. For example, the father should NEVER have denied his domestic abuse past if he wants access to his daughter, he should have even over-acknowledged what a terrible impact he knows that would have, etc, but he's just not bright enough to see that. These attorneys are hiding it carefully, but are using these parents' honesty and lack of understanding against them, very deliberately to screw them.
I have seen attorney Green a lot she cares about children and is very kind
The child’s safety and security is more important than anything else. CPS is doing their job.
By the CPS lawyer's logic the baby can never be released(!?), as there is always a chance a parent will do drugs or drink. The father is not very educated and there might be a language barrier that prevents him from comprehending the legal jargon fully... 🤔🤔🤔
I like the dad better than the mother
I wish I new what Jessica was saying. On mute when he was talking about the child’s withdrawal
It is painful listening to her questions...I don't think she even knows what she is asking...
I believe that people can change their circumstances, however, through the penancy of this case, and mom's previous cases, she has chosen drugs and violent partner over her children every single time. Sister has watched it happen every time. She is coming off all wrong but I believe her heart is in the right place. The only reason dad isn't with mom right now is because of his parole. Even though mom was told that dad could have zero contact with her.
Agreed and the first part the mom
Was pretty much coached it seemed. If she said
Emilo was staying at her trailer she would lose food stamps and could lose wic. Idk how she is able to get all the benefits since legally no children should be living with her.she has had periods of sobriety however just because this is her longest one doesn’t mean she will stay sober. And 4 hours a month isn’t a lot but people need to remember why they are here in the first place.
The mothers snarky attitude doesn’t help but she is try to do better
I think both parents beee to be way more honest
I think CPS were deff mean in this one , but I rather then cover there butt and have a good placement then any child get hurt or die in their care. These parents are trying but they still need to grow
Agreed and the first part the mom
Was pretty much coached it seemed. If she said
Emilo was staying at her trailer she would lose food stamps and could lose wic. Idk how she is able to get all the benefits since legally no children should be living with her.she has had periods of sobriety however just because this is her longest one doesn’t mean she will stay sober. And 4 hours a month isn’t a lot but people need to remember why they are here in the first place.
The mothers snarky attitude doesn’t help but she is try to do better
I think both parents beee to be way more honest
I think CPS were deff mean in this one , but I rather then cover there butt and have a good placement then any child get hurt or die in their care. These parents are trying but they still need to grow
@@mr.waldodebaldo3208 agreed. Too many times we've seen children die in these exact circumstances. Their "bedside" manner leaves a lot to be desired here... they could have approached this much differently. It makes me wonder how much volatility they've dealt with, but even so, they're not supposed to be demeaning. Their attitude makes them seem less than above board. It's a hard case for sure.
@@notacop007 I agree so much cps could have a ethics complaint you can’t let your behavior or bias take control of a neutral situation
I don't think there was any restriction put on mom regarding contact with him. There's definitely a lot going on here for sure. I'm of two minds at this point and feel like cps is definitely not giving him a chance to step up, when he hasn't done anything that can truly be used against him (in the case specifically)
Recovering addicts can be in a positive, healthy relationship. It's actually easier for most bc they have each other for support.
Where are these types of CPS workers at when there’s a child’s life in danger but yet they still continue to allow the child to go back to the parents repeatedly? And unfortunately the child passes away?? Where are they then?! Mom and Dad are clearly trying to get their daughter back.. this CPS worker is infuriating. She should not have that position in my opinion. When parents are clearly trying, they’re doing everything they’re asked to do, the mom has tested clean for months, has a full time job, her own place, her daughter has her own room, and she takes care of her other children… how is that not evidence enough?! Not to mention the father hasn’t even been really allowed to bond with his daughter and neither of them have been informed on her medical conditions. This absolutely pathetic. Why make it harder on parents who are already vulnerable?! Who are trying their best? Instead, punish them?! What do they have to do… spend 10 years proving it just to be able to bring them back home? This pisses me off.
33:24 this worker really gets my blood boiling. Idk if she’s trying to be “kind” but ohhh my 😤. I get wanting the best for this little one but how often do we see other parents not doing 1/2 of this. Granted, I haven’t seen everything but I’m not shocked that the parents haven’t asked about specialists etc. look at how this is going! They’re probably afraid to and/or think they aren’t allowed to know!! This one has me irate. And I know people that foster~ they would NEVER!
I don’t understand why dad keeps getting grilled about seriously confusing points, and why they’re still treating him like a criminal. Do they even know how “being incarcerated” works?
All the NA sign in sheets are in the same writing. Shock. CPS has to deal with this nonsense everyday. I feel so sorry for the children. And thank God for CPS.
They're in the same writing because it's his sign in sheet. He signs in, someone else initial or signs the sheet
Gooooood lord! It is difficult to listen to this testimony. The baby’s father seems to not understand what is going on!!!
English is not his first language. I live in TX now, & as my youngest is in high school and we are bilingual, I have met friends of his whose first language is Spanish, not English. It is incredible how some of them have been in the US for 10+ years and cannot comprehend or speak English fluently! SO different than students with English as a second language for my whole life in CA. They are supposed to have a translator there for him at every meeting, every court hearing, etc. It is clear that he has 0 idea of what his rights are, as well as "what his triggers" are for his crime, which is holding meth: an amount that was not indicative of him even dealing. English speaking people get a citation for this....seriously. My eldest son who is 100% Indigenous Mexican, gets treated completely differently than my other children. He has NO criminal history. He gets pulled over a number of times in our family's Excursion, & it is because he "matched the description" of someone! He has never received a speeding ticket... nothing. We call it "Driving while brown!"
I’d like to encourage anyone who is willing to become a foster parent, to give it a try, especially if you have a desire to work with the parents.
There’s a shortage of foster homes in every state in the US. 💞
I deleted my prior comments because they were personal and premature. 😬
They Do want to keep the child with the sister. That's not what this while case is about! It's about them helping the parents get their ish together and the child to be safe!
The CPS system all over the United States is absolutely hands down wrong and messed up. I've worked in mental health for over 25 years and it needs to change all of it. I have clients that lost there kids and not received proper help or resources. More money is spent on prisons and other bs and should be put towards cps areas and I'm sorry I'm 40 years old having a case worker younger than my middle kid is ridiculous and this is a huge reason why they get away with bs no 40 year old is going to mesh well with a case worker half there age. The system is beyond broken.
Working 12am 8 shift will require at least in part daycare on two fronts, one while she works at night and the other while she sleeps the next morning or afternoon. That is alot of stresses on someone - and she has not worked with a child full-time in her care.
The bottom line is this woman has 4 kids, none of them are in her custody. How many times have we seen CPS give children back, over and over. One case 3 times. That is ridiculous. This is a long-standing problem for her - and then all of a sudden she will get one child back full-time, more like her mother will need to step in and help her. She is not providing support for the other child that she has not been in her life since 2. So this is a messy situation where there is no stability. And this child being born positive with Meth is a major concern. How can the father not see that as problematic, his own drug use as well. So far many of these cases has shown several interactions of CPS with this parent - and in this case not one of her children are living with her or in her custody. So a fine line of whether giving this one child back is the right thing to do at this moment. I would push this out for later, another 90 days to see how this goes, as relapse has been in her past. And she has made it clear she can't support all her kids on her wages alone. I think she has every intention of getting back with this man - and him staying with her is while saying he is not living with her.
I have seen this. My niece did court ordered drug rehab - and sober living for 4 or five months - and what did she do, get back with the very man she spent years doing drugs with -- once he got out of prison. That last a few months when he left her in the hospital - stole her car and money. And later learned all that meth had caused my niece cancer. Sadly my niece passed with months of finding out about the cancer. Meth is so dangerous on so many fronts. Luckily she had no children in her care. More than sad, as she did stay clear for 6months she was in jail and another 4 moths in sober living, but then bounced back with this man who was not dedicated to her or being sober. But being dependent and lonely can do that. I am glad she is a better place, and I believe she is. She has long-standing drug problem for years.
Reunification is allegedly always the goal🤔. Yet here we are implying that the child should stay with the Aunt.
I have a question that I'm hoping somebody can answer. When staff from CPS (caseworkers, etc.) are testifying, are they not allowed to refer to their case notes? I can't count how often I see CPS workers being asked questions and can't answer the questions because they don't have their case notes in front of them. I just don't get it.
The worker is supposed to know to ask her attorney: "May I refer to my notes?". Or, her attorney, if she senses a hesitation, will ask her: "Would you like to refresh with your notes?" A halfway decent social worker will have written her salient points or dates on a big index card so a quick glance only will suffice to get her back on track.
@@heidikickhouse- agreed, or at least ask, as you said "may I refer to my notes"
I'm doing more eye rolling than Ms. Green. I've been witness to addicts telling people what they want to hear. Addicts are very good at this.
Cps lawyer has some gall using the fact caregiver and department has done everything possible to disallow fathers rights and visits against. She uses the fact he only had 4 visits against him. He is doing everything required and has been entitled to more than 4 visits. It's not his fault the caregiver and agency is engineering the system to fail him, like allowing visits to be missed by letting the caregiver play games.
In my experience CPS is a joke. When we were fostering the CPS worker got his feelings hurt after a lady that worked at specialized foster care wrote to the judge recommending us for adoption. He felt she went behind his back which she didn't. We had her the longest out of 7 foster homes. We had her 7 months and she turned 3 while with us. They did the paperwork behind our back while we jumped through the hoops to get her and ended up removing her and letting the family before us adopt her. They moved out of state and it took a while to get all the red tape taken care of. And that family suggested to me that they adopt her then give her to us. Yeah that's how messed up the system is.
I'm genuinely getting pissed off right now. These people are being classist, cold and downright ridiculous. I would like to see how their lives would measure up if somebody was to pick it apart like this. Not everyone has a law degree and not everyone has a huge vocabulary. Clearly these kids had challenges and now they're trying to make amends for those challenges and do the right thing by their children. This group of Jackwagons are pretending that they're holding the line and doing the right thing by the child. Neither one of them can undo what they did but they have to be given a chance to make amends and create a home it is not only loving but something to be proud of. Unfortunately these people don't seem to want to give them that opportunity. For being part of the Criminal Justice System they sure don't know a lot about how jail phone calls work and how you don't have access unless somebody give you access. You can't call somebody unless they're willing to take the collect call and pay for it. Social Services CPS aren't willing to pay the charges for this man to call them but for the several months he's been out he's busted his ass. I swear on everything holy if I could talk to one of these people I don't know that I could be nice but I would definitely give them a piece of my mind. They are overstepping in ways to have long-term ramifications that can't be undone. Why add salt to the wound for fucksake. Sorry for the rant I'm just really mad about this it's not okay these so-called professional should be ashamed of themselves. 😡😡😡😡
Aside from some accountability issues with his last arrest, I am fairly impressed with Dad. I think he seems to be working his Service Plan.
It's supposed to be presented to him in person. It's supposed to be gone over WITH him by the social worker, to make sure he understands every step. (Sort of like the Miranda I guess}. The social worker is also supposed to make sure he knows how to access each of the services she is requiring him to participate in. If he says he doesn't know how to find a particular mandated service, she is supposed to tell him where it is. If he says, oh that is 100 miles away and I have no car to get there, she is supposed to make sure that there is a bus that goes there. If the bus that goes there only goes on Wednesdays when he is working, she is not supposed to say you have to call in sick every Wednesday, she is supposed to find a different service to mandate for him. That is why she's supposed to go over with him in person, so that she does not give him mandated tasks that are impossible or to make sure that she has not written it in a way that he cannot understand. Also apparently, he saw her in zoom Court, did not converse with her - but everyone is calling that a meeting? Outrageous. World's laziest / most biased social worker. Most social workers are required to meet with their clients once a month, exceptions can obviously be made when they are incarcerated out of state. The onus is never placed on the client to initiate phone calls if he is incarcerated. I don't understand why the foster mother's attorney is allowed to be so vicious, it does not appear that he has ANY understanding the child protective service regulations or protocols and he is attacking both parents with not fulfilling wildly unrealistic expectations with the judge twiddling his fingers and apparently thinking about what he's going to have for dinner tonight.
Ms collard green is sure pretty (and competent) but kinda like Severe Pretty - like if you stop by her house ya can't touch anything, or sit down lest you Wrinkle the Cushions. And she follows behind you and brushes the carpet pile back in order so as to look Just Vaccumed... (actually all of that my mom does. Thanks Mom)
Lol I always hear Collard Greens too
Anyone else hear “collard greens”?
Wait, wait, how many times has he seen Serenity? 🤔😆
people are so quick to blame CPS for things that happen...but, we need to look at these parents who decided to use abuse drugs and have multiple kids...The blame is on them!!! period.
I don’t understand why people can’t stop moving their cameras all around.🤦🏽♀️😫😵💫
Lol, her name sounds like collard greens
Cps lawyer problem is she has a tendency to make a statement and not actually ask a question
It gives me a bad taste that mom & dads stories dont mesh regarding the living situation and I feel like dad has had more contact with the child than he's admitting to.
I applaud these parents for making the changes they have, but I feel like if I was involved personally, I'd be saying 'hold on, we need to investigate a few things and inconsistencies and maybe take it very fucking slow to keep the child well protected".
Of course, I cant wait to see the sister testify (not there yet)
The moms lawyer is getting up my nose ferrealz tho.
Actually i may be wrong on whos lawyer it is, The annoying one is at the bottom with the accent...