So you pay ignoci to do what others already do with your data. And once yout sub runs out, they resell and open you to public domain again. Pretty awesome scam lmao
I mean, to be honest depending on what happened between the cut Kennen might be right in this situation? If rav stayed top for a wave or two instead of recalling immediately, then kennen going mid is correct and they shouldn't swap back until the wave state is good for it - not because it helps Kennen, but because Rav can get more total waves and get further ahead than otherwise. If Rav just recalled straight after that, then he could've shoved mid then gone back top to catch the bounce which evens out whatever he's down.
That chat box before nexus boom at the end is damn near art. The adc blaming the supp, the supp blaming the adc, top flaming the jung, and all this after mid and jung fighting all game. Not one person mentioning the fed Garen/Lee. True harmony in the League community.
Are people now just realizing how strong Garens is? He's been like this for god knows how long. People just avoided playing him because he's so braindead simple.
He become good after adc item rework. He got crit scaling buffed when it was underwelming. Infi got buffed, pd got 4 hit paassive removed and just give lmorrle flat as (which is better for garen e, since you never atack 4 time before e). Why on mid ? - doran shield is op due to range toplaners.
@@mathiaseriksen6600 you guys are such delusional low elo losers lol. garen got picked like 2 times and specifically only to counter Nasus. i literally never lose to a garen you guys are just low elo.
most silver players fr like going from silver to diamond you get like maybe 1 hot head but atleast there you don't have a lot of people that think they are the best. you go to silver and every lobby is "I am a diamond 1 trick trust me" (locks in yasuo, riven, zoe, ezreal, i can make a whole list). But these degenerates always talk themselves that they are better and will never account for their mistakes. I was silver for 7 years and once I smartened up and watched vods of how I played I hit master last year but sat plat this year cause I didn't really grind ranked much
As a peak D1 shitter I'll try to explain why Garen has been giga busted and why he is at this power level today. Garen's core build is bersker greaves, stridebreaker, and phantom dancer. Stridbreaker is quite honestly an OP item for Garen granting him 50 AD, 450 health, and 30% atk speed and an active that deals damage and slows enemies. His q gives him 35% move speed and phantom dancer grants him an additional 12% so good luck catching Garen and getting away from him especially if he has phase rush. Now you might think Garen must be squishy with this build, but most people arent aware that Garen's passive on his W gives him 30 armor and 30 MR + 10%MR and 10% armor and his active gives him 30% damage reduction, a fat shield and 60% tenacity. Garen's E also shreds 25% armor. And of course, we cant forget his ult. At the end of the day you have a juggernaut who can cleanse slows, gain 35% MS, 60% tenacity, shield, damage reduction, cant catch him, cant run away from him, has a slow from stride breaker, has insane waveclear, 25% armor shred, insane built in armor and MR, massive true damage. Also, he's hard to punish in lane due to his passive healing. At this point it almost sounds like Showmaker's copy pasta for Ksante and it might as well be.
@@dannyyousI would argue his early game isn't terrible at all. Her can just give up a few cs until he's 6. Not to mention he can start proxy with like one longsword. The champion is cracked.
True, lots of those passives in Garen's kit didnt exist when he came out. And yet people still think he is just "one dimensional old kit champion". Lots of hidden stuff that only garen players know about that make him so hard to deal with.
@@dannyyoushis early game is not terrible, his e out damages most level 1 fights even without conqueror, which also stacks before anyone else in the game
You can see yourself improving at playing in Garen in this video. At the start you barely use stridebreaker and at the end you are using it quite a bit. It sounds small but its a big deal with Garen and makes a big difference especially without phase rush.
This made me remember doublelift saying "garen mid would be bad bc hes melee and only goes in and it was like dr. mundo or naafiri, only casual players fear them bc they cant deal with them".Man I just alt-f4 the stream that day, like bro 98% of players aint going pro, stop lmao
My guy, Garen is legit played in every role and does well in it. How he hasn't been nerfed into the ground yet is pure Riot. Must have a skin coming up.
If he had 2 braincells he would have realised he got 2 waves worth of xp and gold the mid wave and top wave as yone was pushing his wave into the tower while kannen was rotating back to top.
@@archangelwarrior9816 You say that, but most players don't actually know about concepts like wave states. Like, an overwhelming majority of new players I would argue
Used to refuse to play a dumb champ like Garen until a few months back, now I love him. He's a seriously relaxed, let's just steam roll and have some fun champ. Zero thinking required 😂
Yeah similar thing here, i dropped qiyana for naafiri and now i'm actually not even trying and still win. There is really no reason to play hard champions when the most braindead champs are this op
@@Mason-us2zx Garen takes phase rush in a lot of top lane matchups too. Nothing's funnier than beyblading the enemy team front to back and one shotting their backline lol
The enemy team's all chat at the end of the vid perfectly encapsulates what Rav was just talking about (and always says) regarding the hatred players have for one another. Nearly everyone on the enemy team is flaming someone different lol.
Garen was a super low elo champ that everyone forgot how to play against. Now with some item help, he becomes annoying and people find him super broken, he is not. Checked by trundle, checked by darius, morde. In the mid lane he can be easily poked and destroyed by anyone using Liandry(most mages go burst because that's how the kids are taught)
What about the other champs that just lose to him and you can’t really out play him cause he plays himself (even if you mess up he is forgiven) we are humans I think most champs are as strong as him in what they do but we can’t play them in full potential garen is so simple that every one can play him at his full potential
You’re right but for some champs there is just no counter play. I was playing waking top and I’m not a good player but I still won early but once garden got his items my game was over I had no damage somehow, I just got stat checked despite winning early
Eh, Darius is not a problem, it's easy to beat him as Garen, Morde is tough match up, not impossible. But there are hard match ups for him. And on mid, play some ranged champ like Karma, LeBlanc, Anivia, Lux, Vel Koz, and such. Anything with slows, cc, movement speed buffs or shields will make it harder for Garen, unless you are melee champ, in which case you are doomed. And throw aa every few seconds to cancel his passive. He will either stand far back healing or be poked constantly trying to farm, if he tries to all-in, slow him and get away. Even if you don't kill him, he will be behind in cs and gold. Assassins are useless against Garen. I have been playing Garen mid years before it even became trend, meta.
Yea the league subreddit is a total joke. The mods won't let you discuss anything about the game really. Garen is weird because he should be a great tank but his AD scallings are just too good. I'd personally like to see an early game passive buff and a nerf to his AD scallings.
@@randomrfkov Thats not quite right. If they nerfed his tankyness people would still just build AD. The issue is in the damage in his kit. The tanky stats cushion him well but aren't the source of the issue.
@@Undead_Grius It was made for Riot to self promote their Esports and to control the perception of leagues "public forum". Makes the game look squeeky and well tuned. It exists as an advertisement and nothing more sadly. There are other league reddits though that aren't official that are way better. Every text post I post gets removed. The only thing that doesn't is when I promote a video of the game. Moderators don't want discussion they want SEO.
@@BumboBoy If you have good enough damage in your kit and not as much tankiness then you're incentivized to make up for the lack of tankiness by building tanky items because you already have enough damage to not really need damage items and you would get blown up otherwise. On the other hand if you already have the tankiness to tank anyway then you're just incentivized to build more damage because what's the point in being tanky and not contributing anything? Especially if you hardly have any utility to provide to a team. Garen gets away with building borderline full glass cannon because he doesn't get punished for doing so due to his innate tankiness compensating it far too much. There's a reason Darius cannot just build glass cannon and get away with it like that and it's not due to a lack of damage because he actually has more than Garen. Nerfing Garen's AD scalings would also nerf his bruiser tank builds with Cleaver and Steraks. If anything the crit and attack speed scalings would be to blame because those are mostly tied to high damage glass cannon items like PD and IE. Though I personally don't think those are inherently the issue. If he was at least squishy for building those items like Malphite is when building full AP or Darius when building full lethality then I doubt anyone would care.
I don't play League anymore but watching your videos is both entertaining and helpful for me, because it always shows me there's nothing to miss. Community sucks.
One champ that is worse than Garen is definetlly Swain. He can be behind and with just one hp item he has enough sustain to stay in ult forever. With 2 items his build is finished and he can choose next items however he wants.
I just find it hilarious how if you complained about Garen, the community would dogpile you and call you low ELO trash for being awful enough to complain about Garen. Yet here we are, Pro Play Garen and now people act like he's always been strong lmao. The league community really is composed of sheep
legit, a big portion of the player base is actually fkin stupid. like i dont mean in an insulting way cause i dislike em (i do but thats not why im saying it) but genuinely incapable of logical thought kinda stupid
Literally just a few days ago I was talking about how Garen is absolute braindead with the Greaves -> Stridebreaker -> Phantom Dancer -> Mortal Reminder build and has been terrorizing everywhere he's in for a long while and I got absolutely dogpiled by people quoting a nonexistent pick rate in Challenger as if that had any relevance.
@@noahzhellos8344 Yeah you're right, eloboosters whose job it is to win games in low elo as reliably and quickly as possible are definitely dogpiling on Garen because he's so broken. That happens. Big carry champ. Scales super hard. Very tough to outplay. Eloboosters definitely don't all play Graves/Kha/Twitch/Talon instead.
Infinite, slow purging movespeed on Q, free tankiness on W, free mini-Warmog on passive and just shits out damage with E and R. What could possibly go wrong? -Riot's clown-ass balance team evidently
The Kennen wanting you to do something without even telling you, and then getting mad at you for not doing it, is literally every game of league of legends
The problem with Garen stems from his deceptively incredible mobility, coupled with his innately high durability and DPS, he's basically the same champ but no longer kiteable, so there goes his weakness.
Urgot is how you shut down garen. Tanky enough not to get burst down, his ranged q keeps him from regenerating, 360 shotgun knees which limit his angles of attack and a dash, cc, and shield all combined into his flip. His execute has so much more range and the fear that comes with it can turn a whole team fight. Able to dive, able to peel, able to execute from over a screen away. Urgod. This is the way.
Garen has always been melee on training wheels. Turns out those wheels turn into 24 inch chrome stacking paper when skilled players learn to drift those doughnuts.
6:43, Not Nilah FFing and basing while she can farm and threaten tower for free because all 5 members of the opposing team are on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP.
Same, been maining him mid years ago, recently hopped on a few games again after a long time of not playing and see Garen mid being a trend and a meta.
soon to be in the dark ages hopefully :> with nerfs to his items in 14.19 hopefully they follow it up with a nerf to the champ itself in 14.20 and we'll never have to see him again beyond iron elo :D
I havent played league since s8 where i flamed a griefer and got banned... last week i played only aram, got flamed for not hitting xerath ult on a passived jinx... lol players got waaay fucking worse when i played in s8
You forgot to mention my favorite part about Garen: getting 150 minion, jungle, and champion kills gives him 30 plus 110% free defense. I know 150 cs/jungle farm is alot to ask but a free sunfire+abyssal mask is pretty nice
i mean garen is obviously a bit too strong atm but you also have mage going melee range on you every chance they get so they would enjoy the grey screen vs a balanced garen as well
These lane swaps are natural in higher elos, after a won gank the remaining player fixes the wave, in the meantime the reviving player rotates to first players lane to hold it and prevent enemy laner from taking plates giving you time to reset. You then recall and judge which lane is better to go back to, i didn't see wavestates as you cut it but Kennen should've left midlane already and pathed top after one or two waves without losing his hp, i wouldn't trust silver's judgment in that regard tho, although him knowing this strat is surprising enough - the execution isn't necessarily perfect i'd presume.
@@freemiumdude Thing is to ignore fools and learn from experience, since Rav was confused and i knew immediately what he's flamed for i just kindly explained
I don't play League anymore, but I got to Master 105 LP only using Garen Top and Mid if they gave me that role, in Top, Garen is extremely easy to counter, Teemo, Volibear or Kayle are just a few examples of champions that destroy Garen in almost any moment of the game, On the other hand in mid the thing is very different, he only has a couple of counters, like Cassiopeia or Anivia, leaving those champions aside, Garen destroys almost any mid thanks to the fact that his kit is basically anti assassin/mage, the Q silences, a serious problem for champions that can only use their skills to do damage, the W mitigates all the burst of an assassin/mage champion, the E can deliver critical hits and clears minion waves very fast, and well the R is a guaranteed kill almost 80% of the time, Garen's current build is based on attack speed, critical and movement items, so he can rotate extremely fast from one line to another, besides using Phase Rush in most games, which allows you to move even faster. What is the problem with Garen? is that Riot doesn't know how to balance him, if you go to the Wiki, in almost all the patches where Garen appears, is to buff him, then you ask yourself, why just don't they nerf him? if they nerf him, he automatically becomes one of the worst champions of the game, I remember how in a patch they nerfed him, and he was second last in the Top tierlist with almost 47% winrate, if they really want to fix Garen, they should do a rework in how his skills work.
Reminding everyone that XPeke brought Garen mid 8 years ago against Faker no less and stomped him. He was playing as replacement too, as he also doubled as a coach-like figure for the team. Man I miss seasons 4 to 6... Many toplaner fighters can curbstomp midlaners into the ground, even ranged ones.
veterans will remember why kassadin was permabanned that one season. Garen being so effective is same story, except he's actual melee and cannot teleport with his r and has movespeed steroid on his q instead. You simply lose to that silence unless you somehow manage to out dps him with basic attacks.
This one Kennen flaming in a draft game really made me think "do people not like to have a hard-earned win" and the depressing "can we go next please" really solidified the answer as no. Winning these days is the only appeal people seem to know when I at least like to think. Granted, I quit ages ago but I could at least get off a "well played" in post game even if we ended up losing. ... I quit ages ago because losing became a boring snorefest. :P ... and all your teammates are rude as hell.
I've known Garen was op for a while now. The thing that would balance Garen is removal of attack speed doing anything for his e. Also, removal of e on hit effects would solidify the nerf making him the most balanced champ ever. No need to change anything else except those 2 things.
I just love how Riot stated somewhere that harder champions are usually stronger than easier champions in comparison. And so I dedicated my 3 years to learn and master Camille. And now I can't go back because of OCD. Thank you Riot for making the easiest champ also the strongest one as well.
You know what? This isn't so bad. I like the idea of having melee characters escape the shackles of top and jungle. Since their kits are designed to be able to handle other bruisers, a little mosquito mage or adc can't make a dent early. You just kinda punt em into the shadow realm. 💀
garen isnt broken or op. his items are. notice how garen was at best B tier before the crit item changes. best way to nerf garen is to nerf the crit items but if you do that u gut crit adc's again. the most they could do without nerfing others is to revert his e buff patches ago but he still will be good because of crit. Also i wouldnt recommend conqu, phase rush is just better unless they have 2 bruisers or 2 tanks. As a garen main put it this way, if they nerf crit and nerf stridebreaker. Im just building triforce, swifties and black cleaver and hullbreaker to place the crit. you can backdoor from second tower to nexus in seconds. thats how i won my masters rank up game :D
The fact that he can E under CC is OP, but I think every bruiser in general is unviable now that they nerfed every form of tenacity and buffed the adc/support meta
Remember the days when simple champs (mostly stat checks) like garen, nasus, illaoi, annie, etc weren't allowed to have anything higher than a 50.1 percent winrate? Also, who decided to let garen's ult not scale with anything? At least urgot's requires you to be 25 percent and is a skillshot... Garen's only requires you to be 35 at rank 1 or roughly 40 if you include ignite. Not to mention his w does like 4 things without needing any points in it. Free Armor and mr just for using your insane wave clear to never miss a minion, tenacity, a shield, and 4 seconds of damage reduction. Literally has the most packed kit in the game if you include the fact that he doesn't even have mana or energy on top of infinite sustain, low cds, and easily top 10 best wave clear. Literally pick camille or kayle or you've already lost lane.
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you re the king rav
thats not a noose. liar.
So you pay ignoci to do what others already do with your data. And once yout sub runs out, they resell and open you to public domain again.
Pretty awesome scam lmao
Rav do u ever consider using the strikebreaker active
Rav Have i sinned im a 1.5M garen OTP and unironically have been playing garen less during these last couple patches even though id climb easier
i played again after a year long break. I played against a garen, now I'm on a break again.
IM gonna touch you
Funnily enough, I think it's been a year since I last played... Lemme reinstall and check xD
He ain't even that steong tho
@@haradrim0932 He is strong when ppl dont realise they need to stop his self regen abilities.
@@TheErrrGuylet us know how it goes 😂
"There's no I in team, but there's four "I"'s in "Inting Idiots". Rav you're a national treasure. lmao.
Isn't he Canadian?
@@dressup154 International Treasure
This just in: Kennen who doesn’t understand the concept of a mid laner roaming flames mid laner saying “Learn the game!” Back to you, Rav
I mean, to be honest depending on what happened between the cut Kennen might be right in this situation? If rav stayed top for a wave or two instead of recalling immediately, then kennen going mid is correct and they shouldn't swap back until the wave state is good for it - not because it helps Kennen, but because Rav can get more total waves and get further ahead than otherwise.
If Rav just recalled straight after that, then he could've shoved mid then gone back top to catch the bounce which evens out whatever he's down.
At least until he got tilted out of his mind and just blamed Rav instead of making the best of it, that's obviously dumb
@@TheSlyBrit hell yeah i just wanted to type this
@@demonderpz7937 kennen was completely correct in telling him him to go top.
@@theexodusofgamersdoesn’t even matter how correct he was bc instead of communicating he just had a man toddler breakdown in a norms game 😭😭😭
That chat box before nexus boom at the end is damn near art. The adc blaming the supp, the supp blaming the adc, top flaming the jung, and all this after mid and jung fighting all game. Not one person mentioning the fed Garen/Lee. True harmony in the League community.
Are people now just realizing how strong Garens is? He's been like this for god knows how long. People just avoided playing him because he's so braindead simple.
Yeah, but Garen mid? News to me
Garen, Kled, Naafiri mid highest winrates atm
No they avoided him because they are incapable of thinking for themselves and must use meta tier lists to tell them what to play
I feel like garen has been busted since his release in like 2011 or 12
He become good after adc item rework. He got crit scaling buffed when it was underwelming.
Infi got buffed, pd got 4 hit paassive removed and just give lmorrle flat as (which is better for garen e, since you never atack 4 time before e).
Why on mid ?
- doran shield is op due to range toplaners.
0:55 one time i called a /r/leagueoflegends moderator an obese subhuman and he tracked down my discord to make me apologize
The League subreddit is the most poorly moderated sub on the entire site. It is *overmoderated* to a fault.
Did you make fun of him when he got there?
you should have made a post about it on the you know what site so we could all have a good laugh
What's a subhuman?
@@DamianSzajnowskiEune players diamond/below
"Dumbledore's left testicle". Man how do you come up with such hilarious shit. I almost choked from laughing.
Kalista: She is op in PROPLAY, but suck in SoloQ = NERF HER
Garen: OP in PROPLAY and SoloQ = He is balanced.
U see him get picked a total of 3 times in pro play and now he’s considered OP? Garen is so fucking one dimensional so if u can’t deal with him ur bad
@@asaaday1869 "if you can't deal with him you're bad" Say that to the pros who couldn't deal with him.
@@mathiaseriksen6600 you guys are such delusional low elo losers lol. garen got picked like 2 times and specifically only to counter Nasus. i literally never lose to a garen you guys are just low elo.
@@asaaday1869 It's a problem when his one-dimensional purpose is to destroy you without any counterplay while having a warmog as passive.
@@jacktheripper7935 skill. issue.
Kennen dies to gank.
Kennen: IT'S YOUR FAULT YONE GOT ONE WAVE!
Bro that kennen definitely thinks hes better than he actually is, ego is ruining this game i swear.
most silver players fr like going from silver to diamond you get like maybe 1 hot head but atleast there you don't have a lot of people that think they are the best. you go to silver and every lobby is "I am a diamond 1 trick trust me" (locks in yasuo, riven, zoe, ezreal, i can make a whole list). But these degenerates always talk themselves that they are better and will never account for their mistakes. I was silver for 7 years and once I smartened up and watched vods of how I played I hit master last year but sat plat this year cause I didn't really grind ranked much
lmao smolder 12:05 "support was a detriment to me this game"
As a peak D1 shitter I'll try to explain why Garen has been giga busted and why he is at this power level today. Garen's core build is bersker greaves, stridebreaker, and phantom dancer. Stridbreaker is quite honestly an OP item for Garen granting him 50 AD, 450 health, and 30% atk speed and an active that deals damage and slows enemies. His q gives him 35% move speed and phantom dancer grants him an additional 12% so good luck catching Garen and getting away from him especially if he has phase rush. Now you might think Garen must be squishy with this build, but most people arent aware that Garen's passive on his W gives him 30 armor and 30 MR + 10%MR and 10% armor and his active gives him 30% damage reduction, a fat shield and 60% tenacity. Garen's E also shreds 25% armor. And of course, we cant forget his ult.
At the end of the day you have a juggernaut who can cleanse slows, gain 35% MS, 60% tenacity, shield, damage reduction, cant catch him, cant run away from him, has a slow from stride breaker, has insane waveclear, 25% armor shred, insane built in armor and MR, massive true damage. Also, he's hard to punish in lane due to his passive healing.
At this point it almost sounds like Showmaker's copy pasta for Ksante and it might as well be.
I mean.. Let's not get totally ridiculous, K'sante has another 4 paragraphs ontop of what you just wrote about Garen lol.
I think people just don’t know garen is one of the beat scalers in the game but his early game is terrible and for some reason don’t abuse that fact
@@dannyyousI would argue his early game isn't terrible at all. Her can just give up a few cs until he's 6. Not to mention he can start proxy with like one longsword. The champion is cracked.
True, lots of those passives in Garen's kit didnt exist when he came out. And yet people still think he is just "one dimensional old kit champion". Lots of hidden stuff that only garen players know about that make him so hard to deal with.
@@dannyyoushis early game is not terrible, his e out damages most level 1 fights even without conqueror, which also stacks before anyone else in the game
You can see yourself improving at playing in Garen in this video. At the start you barely use stridebreaker and at the end you are using it quite a bit. It sounds small but its a big deal with Garen and makes a big difference especially without phase rush.
Yeah get much different after a few games
@@Ravlol You were secretly a garen prodigy all along
@@A1phaz0ne why would you insult him like that?
This made me remember doublelift saying "garen mid would be bad bc hes melee and only goes in and it was like dr. mundo or naafiri, only casual players fear them bc they cant deal with them".Man I just alt-f4 the stream that day, like bro 98% of players aint going pro, stop lmao
98%? Probably 98% of grandmaster+ players wont go pro, of the normal playerbase try 99.999%+
My guy, Garen is legit played in every role and does well in it. How he hasn't been nerfed into the ground yet is pure Riot.
Must have a skin coming up.
He is not a ADC
@@ignacioperez5479 yet he builds their items anyway
@@dreamergamer9291 yup. Thats why he is not nerfed
He just had the expensive godking recolor skin
"Coming up" Nah brother he has his overpriced chroma up right now. But other than that, hit the nail on the head.
That Kennen played one more game as Sett, lost and stopped playing lol. Account was only level 22, but "learn the game" right?
Probably bought the account trying to "smurf" only to realize he wasn't good.
If he had 2 braincells he would have realised he got 2 waves worth of xp and gold the mid wave and top wave as yone was pushing his wave into the tower while kannen was rotating back to top.
@@archangelwarrior9816 You say that, but most players don't actually know about concepts like wave states. Like, an overwhelming majority of new players I would argue
@@revanveran5325 Do they ever get told about them in tutorials ? This game is trash on so many levels lol.
@@JemmC89 league tutorial literally only tells you there's champions items lanes nexus and that's basically it
Used to refuse to play a dumb champ like Garen until a few months back, now I love him. He's a seriously relaxed, let's just steam roll and have some fun champ. Zero thinking required 😂
hell yeah brother, in the end, league is a game, all that matters is that you have fun
Zero thinking? Nah, you gotta pick a bush to 100-0 the enemy tank from.
Yeah similar thing here, i dropped qiyana for naafiri and now i'm actually not even trying and still win. There is really no reason to play hard champions when the most braindead champs are this op
If you ever play ARAM, take phase rush! :) Snowball, Q, E insta proccs phase rush and it's funny to spin fast while phase rushing around in circles.
@@Mason-us2zx Garen takes phase rush in a lot of top lane matchups too. Nothing's funnier than beyblading the enemy team front to back and one shotting their backline lol
This is not the problem, this is the solution.
Rav have my children please
freak
Either wants to get laid by Rav or forceful adoption by leaving his kids on his doorstep
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What the hell
Gayuuuhh
The enemy team's all chat at the end of the vid perfectly encapsulates what Rav was just talking about (and always says) regarding the hatred players have for one another. Nearly everyone on the enemy team is flaming someone different lol.
Garen was a super low elo champ that everyone forgot how to play against. Now with some item help, he becomes annoying and people find him super broken, he is not. Checked by trundle, checked by darius, morde. In the mid lane he can be easily poked and destroyed by anyone using Liandry(most mages go burst because that's how the kids are taught)
What about the other champs that just lose to him and you can’t really out play him cause he plays himself (even if you mess up he is forgiven) we are humans I think most champs are as strong as him in what they do but we can’t play them in full potential garen is so simple that every one can play him at his full potential
You’re right but for some champs there is just no counter play. I was playing waking top and I’m not a good player but I still won early but once garden got his items my game was over I had no damage somehow, I just got stat checked despite winning early
Eh, Darius is not a problem, it's easy to beat him as Garen, Morde is tough match up, not impossible. But there are hard match ups for him.
And on mid, play some ranged champ like Karma, LeBlanc, Anivia, Lux, Vel Koz, and such. Anything with slows, cc, movement speed buffs or shields will make it harder for Garen, unless you are melee champ, in which case you are doomed. And throw aa every few seconds to cancel his passive. He will either stand far back healing or be poked constantly trying to farm, if he tries to all-in, slow him and get away.
Even if you don't kill him, he will be behind in cs and gold.
Assassins are useless against Garen. I have been playing Garen mid years before it even became trend, meta.
@@ydran5783 wukong does no damage late, especially to none squishies
9:04 this is definitely one of your best dialogues ever LMFAO
It's that time of the year (the whole year this time) when critical beyblades roaming the rift are becoming a real problem
Yea the league subreddit is a total joke. The mods won't let you discuss anything about the game really. Garen is weird because he should be a great tank but his AD scallings are just too good. I'd personally like to see an early game passive buff and a nerf to his AD scallings.
His TANK stats are too good that you can go AD, because his E is an armor shred.
@@randomrfkov Thats not quite right. If they nerfed his tankyness people would still just build AD. The issue is in the damage in his kit. The tanky stats cushion him well but aren't the source of the issue.
@@Undead_Grius It was made for Riot to self promote their Esports and to control the perception of leagues "public forum". Makes the game look squeeky and well tuned. It exists as an advertisement and nothing more sadly. There are other league reddits though that aren't official that are way better. Every text post I post gets removed. The only thing that doesn't is when I promote a video of the game. Moderators don't want discussion they want SEO.
@@BumboBoy If you have good enough damage in your kit and not as much tankiness then you're incentivized to make up for the lack of tankiness by building tanky items because you already have enough damage to not really need damage items and you would get blown up otherwise.
On the other hand if you already have the tankiness to tank anyway then you're just incentivized to build more damage because what's the point in being tanky and not contributing anything? Especially if you hardly have any utility to provide to a team.
Garen gets away with building borderline full glass cannon because he doesn't get punished for doing so due to his innate tankiness compensating it far too much. There's a reason Darius cannot just build glass cannon and get away with it like that and it's not due to a lack of damage because he actually has more than Garen. Nerfing Garen's AD scalings would also nerf his bruiser tank builds with Cleaver and Steraks. If anything the crit and attack speed scalings would be to blame because those are mostly tied to high damage glass cannon items like PD and IE. Though I personally don't think those are inherently the issue. If he was at least squishy for building those items like Malphite is when building full AP or Darius when building full lethality then I doubt anyone would care.
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I don't play League anymore but watching your videos is both entertaining and helpful for me, because it always shows me there's nothing to miss. Community sucks.
One champ that is worse than Garen is definetlly Swain. He can be behind and with just one hp item he has enough sustain to stay in ult forever. With 2 items his build is finished and he can choose next items however he wants.
I just find it hilarious how if you complained about Garen, the community would dogpile you and call you low ELO trash for being awful enough to complain about Garen.
Yet here we are, Pro Play Garen and now people act like he's always been strong lmao. The league community really is composed of sheep
legit, a big portion of the player base is actually fkin stupid. like i dont mean in an insulting way cause i dislike em (i do but thats not why im saying it) but genuinely incapable of logical thought kinda stupid
Literally just a few days ago I was talking about how Garen is absolute braindead with the Greaves -> Stridebreaker -> Phantom Dancer -> Mortal Reminder build and has been terrorizing everywhere he's in for a long while and I got absolutely dogpiled by people quoting a nonexistent pick rate in Challenger as if that had any relevance.
@@noahzhellos8344but but but but immobile bruiser!! (he is not immobile after 14 minutes)
@@noahzhellos8344 Yeah you're right, eloboosters whose job it is to win games in low elo as reliably and quickly as possible are definitely dogpiling on Garen because he's so broken. That happens. Big carry champ. Scales super hard. Very tough to outplay.
Eloboosters definitely don't all play Graves/Kha/Twitch/Talon instead.
everytime he calls Kayn "Kanye" i lost it HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Infinite, slow purging movespeed on Q, free tankiness on W, free mini-Warmog on passive and just shits out damage with E and R. What could possibly go wrong? -Riot's clown-ass balance team evidently
Ashe: perma slow. Garen: perma kited.
The Kennen wanting you to do something without even telling you, and then getting mad at you for not doing it, is literally every game of league of legends
The problem with Garen stems from his deceptively incredible mobility, coupled with his innately high durability and DPS, he's basically the same champ but no longer kiteable, so there goes his weakness.
Urgot is how you shut down garen. Tanky enough not to get burst down, his ranged q keeps him from regenerating, 360 shotgun knees which limit his angles of attack and a dash, cc, and shield all combined into his flip. His execute has so much more range and the fear that comes with it can turn a whole team fight. Able to dive, able to peel, able to execute from over a screen away. Urgod. This is the way.
"there is no "i's" in team but 4 of them in inting idiots" LMAO
*gets 5 man ganked top lane*,
teemo - " nice garen pick bro!"
BROOOOO THE SEEMLESS TRANSITION TO THE AD WAS ART
Garen has always been melee on training wheels. Turns out those wheels turn into 24 inch chrome stacking paper when skilled players learn to drift those doughnuts.
the first game is like 75% of my experience in league of legends
a Draven player telling someone else to relax is the most eye opening thing this video
7:00 Toy Story 2
Damn I was about to say the same😂
It wouldn’t be Rav if he didn’t buy Stridebreaker just to never use it lol
Took a bit for me to remember, but the end of vid I start getting better
@@Ravlol You should stream more brother!!! Good vids been watching for years
Hey I do that too :)
So, garen is doing the sam,e things as zed, okaaay
3/27 is a wild stat line
6:43, Not Nilah FFing and basing while she can farm and threaten tower for free because all 5 members of the opposing team are on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP.
Am so proud to watch this, garen main since 3 years and we got a golden age rn
Same, been maining him mid years ago, recently hopped on a few games again after a long time of not playing and see Garen mid being a trend and a meta.
soon to be in the dark ages hopefully :>
with nerfs to his items in 14.19 hopefully they follow it up with a nerf to the champ itself in 14.20 and we'll never have to see him again beyond iron elo :D
I havent played league since s8 where i flamed a griefer and got banned... last week i played only aram, got flamed for not hitting xerath ult on a passived jinx... lol players got waaay fucking worse when i played in s8
That kennen is EXACTLY whats wrong with league of legends. Kennen: "Learn the game". Me: *Plays Uno Reverse*
i love how dude just sayes my bad and they get angrier then when youd actually do something
You know the kennen it's in the wrong when even the draven player calls him to chill out
the segue to the sponsor from Sylas ult to identity theft is clean af
You forgot to mention my favorite part about Garen: getting 150 minion, jungle, and champion kills gives him 30 plus 110% free defense. I know 150 cs/jungle farm is alot to ask but a free sunfire+abyssal mask is pretty nice
At this point im convinced this is his real voice
Seeing the crit build being the recommended build, whereas it used to be a troll build back in the day, really shows how league has changed
It wasnt even 2 minutes in and i laughed at the amazon search history, it's true. I have so many different flavors of silky rope
The fact that you oneshot a 70% hp viktor with bone plating up and his q shield with a single longsword is wild
Just a little reminder that "marksmans on every position" epidemic still did not end.
that switch to ad was so smooth xD
11:00 BROOO YOU GOT ME HAHAHAHA
Playing garen is better while dressed as a Lobster
i mean garen is obviously a bit too strong atm but you also have mage going melee range on you every chance they get so they would enjoy the grey screen vs a balanced garen as well
dumbledore's left testicle caught me off guard
Main villain in Toy Story 1 .. nah brooo :D 💀
These lane swaps are natural in higher elos, after a won gank the remaining player fixes the wave, in the meantime the reviving player rotates to first players lane to hold it and prevent enemy laner from taking plates giving you time to reset. You then recall and judge which lane is better to go back to, i didn't see wavestates as you cut it but Kennen should've left midlane already and pathed top after one or two waves without losing his hp, i wouldn't trust silver's judgment in that regard tho, although him knowing this strat is surprising enough - the execution isn't necessarily perfect i'd presume.
Thing is, he could be 100% right in his analysis, but he behaved like a complete shitstain.
@@freemiumdude Thing is to ignore fools and learn from experience, since Rav was confused and i knew immediately what he's flamed for i just kindly explained
I don't play League anymore, but I got to Master 105 LP only using Garen Top and Mid if they gave me that role, in Top, Garen is extremely easy to counter, Teemo, Volibear or Kayle are just a few examples of champions that destroy Garen in almost any moment of the game, On the other hand in mid the thing is very different, he only has a couple of counters, like Cassiopeia or Anivia, leaving those champions aside, Garen destroys almost any mid thanks to the fact that his kit is basically anti assassin/mage, the Q silences, a serious problem for champions that can only use their skills to do damage, the W mitigates all the burst of an assassin/mage champion, the E can deliver critical hits and clears minion waves very fast, and well the R is a guaranteed kill almost 80% of the time, Garen's current build is based on attack speed, critical and movement items, so he can rotate extremely fast from one line to another, besides using Phase Rush in most games, which allows you to move even faster. What is the problem with Garen? is that Riot doesn't know how to balance him, if you go to the Wiki, in almost all the patches where Garen appears, is to buff him, then you ask yourself, why just don't they nerf him? if they nerf him, he automatically becomes one of the worst champions of the game, I remember how in a patch they nerfed him, and he was second last in the Top tierlist with almost 47% winrate, if they really want to fix Garen, they should do a rework in how his skills work.
If he is this busted why r we not seeing him in Worlds and in general pro play??????
@@pratikroy227 maybe open ur eyes dumby
That was a godly ad transition
this kennen is insane. he even stands still to ping instead of just walking top. XD
A Champ that has a Cleanse a nerfed Warmogs as a passive and an Ability that scales with ADC Items with Shield too......Samira 2.0
wouldn't Samira technically be Garen 2.0 as Garen came out first or am i missing something here
Tenacity≠Cleanase,for example Garen cannot use W while stunned
Reminding everyone that XPeke brought Garen mid 8 years ago against Faker no less and stomped him. He was playing as replacement too, as he also doubled as a coach-like figure for the team.
Man I miss seasons 4 to 6...
Many toplaner fighters can curbstomp midlaners into the ground, even ranged ones.
Garen's execute also does %max hp damage, which is why it kills tanks so effectively also
Garen is so simple, jt must be humualiting to lose against him with all these kits and dashes of modern league
I love the stridebreaker never being used, peak rav content
I feel like this is gonna be another ranged top anger moment later down the line
"There is no 'I' in team, but there is M-E" - Garen 2024
Garen being a tilt magnet is no surprise 😂
just when i saw ludwig start learning garen, rav posts this video
9:10 can someone please transcript me this line 😂
I do like that he says in my next garen game and he played against kassadin, when in reality its his 4th game, and he has a 20% wr on Garen.
veterans will remember why kassadin was permabanned that one season. Garen being so effective is same story, except he's actual melee and cannot teleport with his r and has movespeed steroid on his q instead. You simply lose to that silence unless you somehow manage to out dps him with basic attacks.
9:23 measly pair of boots?? Thats garen's core item you're talking about there mister
This is why you dont be nice to people like the kennen. You just laugh at them and mock them whenever possible.
ive been preaching this for months now.
Did this man say British Bambi? Lmfaooo
you can always expect a severe lvl of brainrot fom someone that has "king" in his name💀
Garen gains movement speed, hits you for 300 and silences you for 2 seconds while he spins to win. So unfair
"I don't think they will ever nerf Garen" - content creators/pros from 3 seasons ago, probably
whats funny is Garen Mid, loses to his own Sister, Lux. She pokes him down, keeps his passive down and can snare him if he tries to run at her.
This one Kennen flaming in a draft game really made me think "do people not like to have a hard-earned win" and the depressing "can we go next please" really solidified the answer as no.
Winning these days is the only appeal people seem to know when I at least like to think.
Granted, I quit ages ago but I could at least get off a "well played" in post game even if we ended up losing.
... I quit ages ago because losing became a boring snorefest. :P ... and all your teammates are rude as hell.
I've known Garen was op for a while now. The thing that would balance Garen is removal of attack speed doing anything for his e. Also, removal of e on hit effects would solidify the nerf making him the most balanced champ ever. No need to change anything else except those 2 things.
7:24 no wonder you cant climb with that lack of map awareness
I just love how Riot stated somewhere that harder champions are usually stronger than easier champions in comparison. And so I dedicated my 3 years to learn and master Camille. And now I can't go back because of OCD.
Thank you Riot for making the easiest champ also the strongest one as well.
The fact that rav forgot to use stridebreaker in half of his engages and still got the bag 💰
whats stridebreaker
You know what? This isn't so bad. I like the idea of having melee characters escape the shackles of top and jungle. Since their kits are designed to be able to handle other bruisers, a little mosquito mage or adc can't make a dent early. You just kinda punt em into the shadow realm. 💀
Your edits are very fun, wish we had this in the dota side!
Ash tray on a motorcycle. Good one
Some people throwing games out like it's NBA.
garen isnt broken or op. his items are. notice how garen was at best B tier before the crit item changes. best way to nerf garen is to nerf the crit items but if you do that u gut crit adc's again. the most they could do without nerfing others is to revert his e buff patches ago but he still will be good because of crit.
Also i wouldnt recommend conqu, phase rush is just better unless they have 2 bruisers or 2 tanks.
As a garen main put it this way, if they nerf crit and nerf stridebreaker. Im just building triforce, swifties and black cleaver and hullbreaker to place the crit. you can backdoor from second tower to nexus in seconds. thats how i won my masters rank up game :D
An ashtray on a motorcycle lmao
These essays are great
The fact that he can E under CC is OP, but I think every bruiser in general is unviable now that they nerfed every form of tenacity and buffed the adc/support meta
Remember the days when simple champs (mostly stat checks) like garen, nasus, illaoi, annie, etc weren't allowed to have anything higher than a 50.1 percent winrate? Also, who decided to let garen's ult not scale with anything? At least urgot's requires you to be 25 percent and is a skillshot... Garen's only requires you to be 35 at rank 1 or roughly 40 if you include ignite. Not to mention his w does like 4 things without needing any points in it. Free Armor and mr just for using your insane wave clear to never miss a minion, tenacity, a shield, and 4 seconds of damage reduction. Literally has the most packed kit in the game if you include the fact that he doesn't even have mana or energy on top of infinite sustain, low cds, and easily top 10 best wave clear. Literally pick camille or kayle or you've already lost lane.