I agree. FYI: I became a Christian at the age of 25. I had 3 tattoos. Shortly after my conversion, a few years, the Lord provided a way for me to get rid of them. I went to a laser tattoo removal clinic, it worked perfectly and it was liberation! I loved being rid of those things. Praise God.
A young friend of mine has one beautiful tattoo on his arm. It's a group of tall grey fir trees on snow and in among the trees is a little white deer. He's from Brazil, far away from home. He had it done for his mum before he left. The deer symbolises her and it's as if he brings a little piece of her with him wherever he travels.
Ty for your thoughts. I’m a Protestant looking into Orthodoxy. I’m also a tattoo artist of 11 years. I’ve recently found myself unsatisfied with this career choice, and somehow believe it’s reaching its natural end. I’ve never been able to fully reconcile tattoos with Christianity, I’ve never felt at peace about it. Thnx for shedding light and giving me a different perspective. God bless
For most Christian's I think modest tattoos easily hidden and meant to be a reminder for your personal use can be positive. But I have none issues and it should bee noted that tattoos can irritate arthritis and should be suggested against. Most inks will leech into blood over time. The industry doesn't moderate ingredients enough for me to want more.
I mean you are really taking the levitical ban out of context. The pagan middle eastern concept of a ‘tattoo’ was to cut yourself with a knife and rub ashes of the dead in the wounds as part of a mourning ritual or a tattoo of an idol, very different from the modern tattoo.
The Tsar Nicolai Aleksandrovich Romanov had a preety big tattoo of an asian dragon in his right arm. Did that difficult his way into heaven after his martyrdom? Or it didn't matter? I was wondering as you said that tattoos are incompatible with christianity but he was a very devoted man of God.
When I was a LaVeyan satanist I really wanted some satanic tattoos, and almost got some. Luckily I never got them, (horribly expensive to have them removed as well) and my skin was never tainted by that filth.
I dont have any tattoos, but i have alot of self harm scars on my upper arms and legs... My sole ourpose is to cover them up so my future children are not negatively influenced by my unhealthy coping, thoughts?
If we have a teleological understanding of morality (which I know at least the Roman Catholics have) then there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong about tattoos or makeup because they don't violate the purpose of your skin. This being said, it's very easy to make these things immoral, like tattooing obscenities on your face.
I do not know of any Canon or patristic writings on tattoos. I do know that Isaiah actually writes, “yet another shall mark (יִכְתֹּ֤ב) the hand, “To The LORD,” and adopt the name of Israel.” Isaiah 44:5. It doesn’t specifically say what “mark” means, but this could (and often is by scholars) be referring to a tattoo. The Torah forbids “marking” (קַֽעֲקַ֔ע) or cutting ones self for the dead in Leviticus 19:28. But I don’t think it’s entirely clear if that means no tattoos more generally or if it is only referring to markings for the dead. Ancient Israel went generations without following the Lord or even reading from the Torah (ex: King Josiah found the Torah and had it read), so I don’t know if Israel always abstained from tattoos, but if they did, it probably wasn’t because of scripture. At least not during the many notes periods that they walked in disobedience and turned to the gods of the nations.
I don't put my tattoo on display. It is high enough up on my arm that my sleeves cover it 3 quarters of the year and even in summer because I don't usually wear sleeveless tops.
When Siad Barre sent his soldiers to invade the Ogadan they told his soldiers they would win merits for every non Muslim they killed. There were many Coptic Christians who were killed for having the sign of the Cross on their foreheads.
@@Cobruh_Commander There was a meeting between the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox where these Christological differences were resolved. This took place in 1968.
Two things, 1 related and 1 not. First, tattoos have always been a mixed bag for me. Tattoos to me are generally a waste unless they mean something, but even then it seems like a stretch. Second, I’m so happy because I was able to drag my Episcopalian friend up to a church and now we’ve made a pseudo tradition out of going up on Sunday and then going for chipotle.
Orthodox Celts were OK with tattoos, certain celtic Orthodox saints had tattoos and according to a synodic decision lead by a pre schismatic celtic saint tattoos made In the honor of God are OK as long as they are not made because of superstitious reasons and for the honor of false gods. Copts also have a tradition of Christian tattoos representing their faith, orthodox Christian vlachs in Greece also had a tradition of tattooing crosses on their foreheads. The Orthodox Balkans are biased on this issue and snobby/isolationist by not considering the Orthodox Church and its history/diverse traditions extending beyond the Balkans and Russia.
Postmodpen We follow the 10 commandments because Jesus said that those would stay in the New Covenant. Which laws aren’t in the New Testament that we are still supposed to follow?
Orthodox tattoos in theory associate one with the church, yet in reality because of movies/ other media it tends feel more like something with Russian organized crime.
Bible Illustrated Hands oh yeah I believe it! I was more saying like people here in the states who get those sorts of tattoos. Like I know cartel members often get catholic tats. Which is odd since Our Lady wouldn’t endorse any of their activities. Some of them also spice it up with some heretical Santa Muerte imagery
Idk, personally I think that if it's in a part that isn't shown in normal circumstances like the torso, and it has a meaning to its wearer further than esthetic then it's acceptable. But I'm biased here bc I want a tattoo for personal reasons.
What is your opinion on people with pagan tattoos that want to get them covered up with Christian ones? Everyone tells me that my pagan tattoos can be used as a part of my testimony to my faith, but I still feel that it is a horrible thing to have on my body. Because of the pagan subject of the tattoos themselves.
It is a recurring theme rather than a commandment. Jephtha made a really dumb vow, Saul was unable to keep his vows, as was David, and in the New Testament, Peter makes a mess of the promises he says he will keep. It is almost as if making them guarantees failure! Vows are one sided promises we make to God, He doesn't ever ask for them. Marriage and monastcism are 'sacramental' unions with God, it is our closeness to God that keeps us within the bond. It is partly why Orthodoxy does not have marriage vows.
@E. O. Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule overbtbe fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth" He didn't say go and subdue each other. We mark cattle because they are property. God created men and women to be free.
orthobro catechumen here! I always get compliments on my ‘Orthodoxy or Death’ tattoo! lol but seriously the only acceptable context I’ve seen for Christian tattoos are copts getting small crosses on the inside of their wrists to assure them in the face of martyrdom. Tattoos simply don’t add much to an image already made perfect by God
No offense, but you seem to be picking and choosing. Tattoos are bad because that is what the 'pagans' did. What about graven images (aka icons)? They are ok though because the church said so? There is a whole commandment about it. Where is the 'no tattoo' or 'defacing your body' commandment? I don't know the explanation that i is used for icons (I should have looked i it up first) but I'd bet you can use the same rationale for tattoos that is used for icons.
"Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them." -Exodus 26:1 (KJV) "And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof. And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about. And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it. And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold. And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them. The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it. And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee. And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel." -Exodus 25:10-21 (KJV) "And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high. And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits. And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size. The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub. And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house. And he overlaid the cherubims with gold. And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without. And the floor of the house he overlaid with gold, within and without." -1 Kings 6:23-30 / 3 Kingdoms 6:23-30 (KJV)
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I agree.
FYI: I became a Christian at the age of 25. I had 3 tattoos. Shortly after my conversion, a few years, the Lord provided a way for me to get rid of them. I went to a laser tattoo removal clinic, it worked perfectly and it was liberation! I loved being rid of those things. Praise God.
Joke's on you Bojan! In North Moldavia we have old monasteryes with frescoes outside ( Voroneț, Sucevița etc).
A young friend of mine has one beautiful tattoo on his arm. It's a group of tall grey fir trees on snow and in among the trees is a little white deer. He's from Brazil, far away from home. He had it done for his mum before he left. The deer symbolises her and it's as if he brings a little piece of her with him wherever he travels.
Ty for your thoughts. I’m a Protestant looking into Orthodoxy. I’m also a tattoo artist of 11 years. I’ve recently found myself unsatisfied with this career choice, and somehow believe it’s reaching its natural end. I’ve never been able to fully reconcile tattoos with Christianity, I’ve never felt at peace about it. Thnx for shedding light and giving me a different perspective. God bless
Oh, well, Bojan! I have two. One for my son; the other for my wife. They are both deceased. They are continually with me this way. Blessings!
Hey, that is fine, it is nice you honor them that way :-)
For most Christian's I think modest tattoos easily hidden and meant to be a reminder for your personal use can be positive. But I have none issues and it should bee noted that tattoos can irritate arthritis and should be suggested against. Most inks will leech into blood over time. The industry doesn't moderate ingredients enough for me to want more.
I mean you are really taking the levitical ban out of context. The pagan middle eastern concept of a ‘tattoo’ was to cut yourself with a knife and rub ashes of the dead in the wounds as part of a mourning ritual or a tattoo of an idol, very different from the modern tattoo.
The Tsar Nicolai Aleksandrovich Romanov had a preety big tattoo of an asian dragon in his right arm. Did that difficult his way into heaven after his martyrdom? Or it didn't matter? I was wondering as you said that tattoos are incompatible with christianity but he was a very devoted man of God.
When I was a LaVeyan satanist I really wanted some satanic tattoos, and almost got some. Luckily I never got them, (horribly expensive to have them removed as well) and my skin was never tainted by that filth.
Luck doesn't exist. All is God's plan . God bless 🙏
Well I have a tattoo in honor of my dad who was my Earthly hero.
Some tattoo artists that my father has met don't have a single tattoo on them, they just like to do their tattoo art around their house.
I dont have any tattoos, but i have alot of self harm scars on my upper arms and legs... My sole ourpose is to cover them up so my future children are not negatively influenced by my unhealthy coping, thoughts?
If we have a teleological understanding of morality (which I know at least the Roman Catholics have) then there is nothing INHERENTLY wrong about tattoos or makeup because they don't violate the purpose of your skin. This being said, it's very easy to make these things immoral, like tattooing obscenities on your face.
I never heard the makeup thing
@JJ Bookman I'm pretty sure that was a civil law
@JJ Bookman Although I'm not for tattoes, I think the particular verse referred specifically to pagan ones.
The Catholic Church forbids tattoos.
I do not know of any Canon or patristic writings on tattoos. I do know that Isaiah actually writes, “yet another shall mark (יִכְתֹּ֤ב) the hand, “To The LORD,” and adopt the name of Israel.” Isaiah 44:5. It doesn’t specifically say what “mark” means, but this could (and often is by scholars) be referring to a tattoo. The Torah forbids “marking” (קַֽעֲקַ֔ע) or cutting ones self for the dead in Leviticus 19:28. But I don’t think it’s entirely clear if that means no tattoos more generally or if it is only referring to markings for the dead. Ancient Israel went generations without following the Lord or even reading from the Torah (ex: King Josiah found the Torah and had it read), so I don’t know if Israel always abstained from tattoos, but if they did, it probably wasn’t because of scripture. At least not during the many notes periods that they walked in disobedience and turned to the gods of the nations.
Sometimes tattoos can corrupt us. For example, dragon tattoos. Many people suffered by this.
I don't put my tattoo on display. It is high enough up on my arm that my sleeves cover it 3 quarters of the year and even in summer because I don't usually wear sleeveless tops.
When Siad Barre sent his soldiers to invade the Ogadan they told his soldiers they would win merits for every non Muslim they killed. There were many Coptic Christians who were killed for having the sign of the Cross on their foreheads.
What about the Coptic Christians who mark themselves with the Cross?
Well we are not coptics. They obviously should repent and come to the right fate
They also practice circumcision and sacrifice chickens, does that make them exemplars of the Faith?
They have an Orthodox Tradition that goes back to the Apostle Mark.
@@robertwaguespack9414 Doesn't matter, non-Chalcedonians/Monophysites are in schism, if not heresy.
@@Cobruh_Commander There was a meeting between the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox where these Christological differences were resolved. This took place in 1968.
Two things, 1 related and 1 not. First, tattoos have always been a mixed bag for me. Tattoos to me are generally a waste unless they mean something, but even then it seems like a stretch. Second, I’m so happy because I was able to drag my Episcopalian friend up to a church and now we’ve made a pseudo tradition out of going up on Sunday and then going for chipotle.
Orthodox Celts were OK with tattoos, certain celtic Orthodox saints had tattoos and according to a synodic decision lead by a pre schismatic celtic saint tattoos made In the honor of God are OK as long as they are not made because of superstitious reasons and for the honor of false gods. Copts also have a tradition of Christian tattoos representing their faith, orthodox Christian vlachs in Greece also had a tradition of tattooing crosses on their foreheads. The Orthodox Balkans are biased on this issue and snobby/isolationist by not considering the Orthodox Church and its history/diverse traditions extending beyond the Balkans and Russia.
Leviticus 19:28
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."
We don’t follow Old Testament laws anymore.
@@snlescaille That's wrong. We don't follow some old testament laws but we still follow many of them. The 10 comandments for exemple and many more.
Postmodpen We follow the 10 commandments because Jesus said that those would stay in the New Covenant. Which laws aren’t in the New Testament that we are still supposed to follow?
@@snlescaille for exemple to not kill animals without a good reason
Postmodpen Romans 10:4, Galatians 3:23-25, Ephesians 2:15
Still waiting a video for Hagia Sofia Bojan...take your time but don't forget to make one 🙂
Today :-)
Orthodox tattoos in theory associate one with the church, yet in reality because of movies/ other media it tends feel more like something with Russian organized crime.
Criminals in Orthodox countries LOVE such tattoos. It's not the media, trust me.
Bible Illustrated Hands oh yeah I believe it! I was more saying like people here in the states who get those sorts of tattoos. Like I know cartel members often get catholic tats. Which is odd since Our Lady wouldn’t endorse any of their activities. Some of them also spice it up with some heretical Santa Muerte imagery
Idk, personally I think that if it's in a part that isn't shown in normal circumstances like the torso, and it has a meaning to its wearer further than esthetic then it's acceptable. But I'm biased here bc I want a tattoo for personal reasons.
hi Bojan what about Bosnian Christians who get a Cross tattooed ? What do you know about them
What is your opinion on people with pagan tattoos that want to get them covered up with Christian ones? Everyone tells me that my pagan tattoos can be used as a part of my testimony to my faith, but I still feel that it is a horrible thing to have on my body. Because of the pagan subject of the tattoos themselves.
Can you make a video on Elder Tadej of Vitovnica?
If the Lord prohibited vows then what about monastic vows? Marriage vows?
It is a recurring theme rather than a commandment. Jephtha made a really dumb vow, Saul was unable to keep his vows, as was David, and in the New Testament, Peter makes a mess of the promises he says he will keep. It is almost as if making them guarantees failure! Vows are one sided promises we make to God, He doesn't ever ask for them. Marriage and monastcism are 'sacramental' unions with God, it is our closeness to God that keeps us within the bond. It is partly why Orthodoxy does not have marriage vows.
Graffiti on the walls of the Holy Spirit’s temple ?
Graffiti or icons and art, depends on the content.
There is no need to mark ourselves. We aren't cows.
I have one. So ....moo
@E. O. Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule overbtbe fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth"
He didn't say go and subdue each other. We mark cattle because they are property. God created men and women to be free.
orthobro catechumen here! I always get compliments on my ‘Orthodoxy or Death’ tattoo!
lol but seriously the only acceptable context I’ve seen for Christian tattoos are copts getting small crosses on the inside of their wrists to assure them in the face of martyrdom. Tattoos simply don’t add much to an image already made perfect by God
What if it is of God? I thought the tattoo ban was specific among worldly things
What was the name of that book on Zoroaster?
Baked Beans and Eggs.
No offense, but you seem to be picking and choosing. Tattoos are bad because that is what the 'pagans' did. What about graven images (aka icons)? They are ok though because the church said so? There is a whole commandment about it. Where is the 'no tattoo' or 'defacing your body' commandment? I don't know the explanation that i is used for icons (I should have looked i it up first) but I'd bet you can use the same rationale for tattoos that is used for icons.
Graven images are used in the Tabernacle. No tattoos were used.
"Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them."
-Exodus 26:1 (KJV)
"And they shall make an ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof, and a cubit and a half the height thereof. And thou shalt overlay it with pure gold, within and without shalt thou overlay it, and shalt make upon it a crown of gold round about. And thou shalt cast four rings of gold for it, and put them in the four corners thereof; and two rings shall be in the one side of it, and two rings in the other side of it. And thou shalt make staves of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold. And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them. The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it. And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel."
-Exodus 25:10-21 (KJV)
"And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high. And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits. And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size. The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub. And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house. And he overlaid the cherubims with gold.
And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without. And the floor of the house he overlaid with gold, within and without."
-1 Kings 6:23-30 / 3 Kingdoms 6:23-30 (KJV)
Unfortunately tattoos are one addiction that I can’t kick