Bojan talking about 40k wasn’t on my bingo card for today lol also *pushes up glasses* Xenos are all Aliens the forces of Chaos are the demons and Chaos aren’t considered Xenos 🤓
@@floridaman318 I live in western North Carolina. Never in my lifetime have we gotten a tropical storm watch. I'm also moving from parents house in six weeks so alot has been stressful.
Uhm ackhtually ☝️🤓, the main battle core of the imperium is Astra Militarum, not Space Marines! On a more serious note, from what I've heard the "purity seals" from Ratnik Tactical were made because of many soldier requests.
This is wrong. Absolutely a violation of the Canons as well as good sense. Ratnik is selling blessed items, which is against Church Canons, and the Military Cathedral is going along with it willingly. Moscow needs to take a chill pill and realize what they are doing is not Orthodox.
@@s.novozhilov1856 Christian nationalism is not a bad thing. An Orthodox Christian nation would (ideally) obey the canons. What you seem to have in Russia is a secular state using the most powerful religious institution within its borders for the sake of the rodinu, rather than for Christ's sake.
Another reason to pray for our clergy and hierarchs. I never thought I’d need to pray, “Lord, please guide our clergy to not participate in associating Orthodoxy with the aesthetics of a genocidal theocracy from a table top war game.”
@@KnownNiche1999 I’m not one of those hand wringing types who calls imperium players facists or whatever, but it’s dumb to pretend that there aren’t a lot of awful things they do beyond what would be justified by the setting. Associating our faith with a tabletop wargaming faction is really dumb, (and ironic given that the Emperor was a militant atheist who in-universe wiped out Christianity), and just because something looks cool doesn’t mean it’s respectful or a good idea. If there’s a legitimate spiritual concern here, more effective than a purity seal would be actually reading a psalter.
@@KnownNiche1999 Everything wants to wipe out humanity in 40k because humanity literally murdered everything that DIDN'T. Fucking idiot. You're the exact kind of person that thinks Fortunate Son is a pro-war song.
yes it's Psalm 90 , also written in Old Church Salvonic calligraphy. This video also shows the lack of understanding and research he did on this topic as well.
Please elaborate your opinion on them. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Surely it's a bit hypocritical to engage in violence, perhaps some that isn't in-line with Christian morals, and then using Orthodox symbolism? I get it if it's some Crusade to retake the Holy Lands or something (though even that would be mixed with secular politics, at the very least greed for power and oil or whatever), but I doubt any modern political conflict would be honourable enough to wear Christian seals.
It sounds hypocritical if you ask me, Christians killing Christians and mind you Putin is not a Christian who doesn’t care for the lives of Ukrainians and Russians.
I dont want to act like im doing the “more righteous am i” thing but you seem to be a furry and thats a slightly larger issue at hand than your desire to be a space marine
Bishop screaming "SAILOR BISHOP MOON CROZIER ACTIVATE!" at the random moment in the Liturgy and all the clergy and faithful having to endure an obnoxiously long transformation sequence
Do not take my word since I’m not orthodox, but I think any denomination willing to adopt the purity seal and actually wear them is awesome, because it’s a declaration of faith, kinda like wearing a rosary/cross, and in such a unique cool way. however I see your points on how it could get out of hand.
take that russians! how dare you provide a little comfort and morale to your soldiers - many of whom used to enjoy a bit of gaming before their lives were turned upside down - as they're hunkered down in trenches, dodging drones everyday - politically isolated and abandoned by their former allies such as serbia. no fun allowed, sergei!
Ukrainians aren't alien demons, though. They're orthodox people, just like the Russians. They are fighting their own brothers because of the quarrels of higher ups. This is not to be done with gladness.
@@ChristopherAnderson-e5o yeah, of course. The material conflict that's happening is still between two orthodox countries. Ukraine is the representative of NATO in this situation. It doesn't matter if Putin says that their real enemy is NATO. Ukrainians and Russians are still killing each other.
If its about ''trying to be like wh40k but orthodox cus cool'' its really not needed at all cus the larp is pointless, but if its soldiers want to display their faith more tangibly(like how they have flags of the head of Christ, some have those bracelets with saints or crosses) then I think its a bit more fair - seems logical they would want something to remind them of Gods protection and to have it seen easily as to remember it and give a morale boost - something much needed on the battlefield. More so seems like the second option to me dear Boyan. Alas im young in the faith and maybe Im being gullible, God bless them and you regardless of this.
I admit, the wh40k "cool factor" is very enticing, but you're right lol. It's funny. I do have a question, glad you brought up cross necklaces: I know wearing them inside shirts is about humility, but practically irl, when I see people wearing them I feel comforted given I'm American. :( did Christ not tell us to hang our lamps high for the world to see too, not under a bushel? How is this balanced. Confusing. Thank you
The greatest sign of a Christian is Love. If you wear your Cross outside your shirt and have not Love then you are like the Pharisees. Inside or Outside is a matter of your inward disposition.
I seem to remember that there was a verse saying something to the effect of: "The faithful don't need to be seen and heard praying when they communicate with god. A quiet prayer in the silence of your home is better than a performative show of faith in the streets." I'd have to look it up to determine which I'm thinking about, though.
"Omnissiah" is a pun on "Messiah". And 2nd edition lore hinted that the Emperor could have secretly been Jesus (as well as other historical figures) so... ^^
If the purity seal was in the spirit of the lore, it would be your _podvig_ written out with an accompanying biblical verse. That is how they operate amongst the space marines, a rite of honor or piety agreed upon between a chaplain and battle brother.
I've also seen them described as chronicling the deeds of the equipment they're attached to and their wearers? "This sword was wielded by brother such-and-such when he lopped the head off a chaos sorcerer who trapped him and his platoon in a pocket dimension during the battle of hive Caviarus Secundus," to make up an example.
If we were to fight literal embodied demons (God forbid), would purity seals have use then? Not every "soldier" would be a miracle working saint afterall.
It says something about the state of spiritual affairs, when you have soldiers facing combat and death looking to what is a parody/satire/inversion of traditional Christianity and Catholicism in particular for semi-serious religious paraphernalia. As a pastor who grew up with 40K, I agree with Bojan about the moral/spiritual issues in play here. Does it speak to a spiritual hunger/destitution when a parody of the faith (that has little fragments of church history and spirituality baked in) seems to have more spiritual potency/truth than a lot of Christianity today? Particularly for young men? Or is it just soldiers being soldiers because 40K has attained mainstream popularity... (I've seen UKR combat footage with Khornate watermarks)
The space marines aren't the only people that wear purity seals it can be anyone in the imperial guard, inquisition or the imperial cult. Also the space marines are a rare sight in the Galaxy. The main fighting force would be the imperial guard.
If you know anything about 40k, you know there are some serious problems with conflating Christianity with the Imperium of Man. (For one the Emperor is a Reddit tier Anti-Theist who was deified after essentially becoming a vegetable) If your going to pull from media at least pull from something with actual Christian themes like Narnia, Solomon Kane, or LotR. Ok, that's two protestants; Lewis, & Howard, and a Catholic; Tolkien. So probably not great for Orthadox symbology, but better than 40k.
The aesthetics of the imperium of man are meta gothic ultra Catholic, and it is a setting in which evil is tangible in the same sense as it was to the early Christians, in a very physical sense. Many younger Christians are influenced by the setting to a large extent as it was their main source of comparison for traditional Church imagery and understanding the demonic nature of certain contemporary evils, they are much more likely to reference a Chaos 'god' when talking about some sin than some literary work like Dante's inferno. On the plus side they do tend to educate themselves over time, and it is an introduction to a Christian mindset towards reality that churches are often reluctant to give due to thinking that being too forthright will scare people off. But it does mean these converts will absolutely think fumigating a tank with incense, equipping it with flamethrowers, covering it in wax seals and bundling some poor monk in with them to go to battle is not just sensible but a good idea.
There's plenty of Christian symbols in 40k. There are crosses, memento mori, and double-headed Eagles everywhere in their iconography. They have Saints and holy knights, go on crusades, etc.
As a big fan of Warhammer 40k (obviously) & an aspiring Orthodox Christian, the simple fact of the matter is this sort of intermixing is very dangerous in my opinion and I'm shocked that this was even contemplated let alone allowed!
I have a question. What about the medieval era when Orthodox nations would have flags with the image of Christ on them as they go into battle. Do these fall in a similar vein?
Keep in mind it's a kind of counter-gesture toward ukraininans with their unit called 'Khorne group' after a chaos god from 40k universe, which oppose Imperium of Man
What if one wears a cross or such item, not to publicly show "piety", but to show that you aren't afraid to proclaim Christ as your Lord? Not to doubt or argue just for legit understanding and criticism.
Hi Bojan if possible could you go over the differences between East Orthodoxy and Old Calendarists or True Orthodoxy as some of them call it? I stumbled upon some arguements and find it very confusing.
We have prayer ropes. We have seals to stamp bread. We have mini altars worn on the neck. We have metal chest protection with Saints or Mother of Christ worn on the neck. I have not seen a purity seal. Maybe it is a Bulgarian or Serbian thing.
Also on one hand, while you are correct in mentioning the Bible passage of piety signaling like in the Gospel of Matthew, is there any difference in doing that and wearing an external cross necklace?
How is it different from a t-shirt with a cross and/or psalm text print? Are you angry at any clothes featuring Christian symbols or just ones that are inspired by games?
Primarily the ones inspired by video games. As for clothing, generally those are sort of ornaments and not used as a protective device, as the purity seals are.
T-shirts and other clothing are a hot topic as well, so Share your opinion on those! For example, although I am not against most Christian symbolism on T-shirts, I am very iffy about icons on tshirts. Icons are said to be holy regardless of the material. So would really wear a t-shirt that is essentially an icon, go about your day, potentially engage in sin, if not then getting stains on the shirt icon from eating, drinking, whatever, the putting it in your washing with all other dirty clothes? I'd personally recommend no. What about other non-iconographic religious symbols: Crosses, prayers, Orthodox seals, other Christian symbolism, slogans, etc? Idk. If we ignore the the problem that icon shirts have, it falls into multiple new problems: is it not showing of your piousness the same way Pharisees did? If not and your intent is different, say, to remind yourself not to sin - what if you do? And other problems come with it too. But in this case, that is not what Bojan was referring to, rather than the inspiration not from irl examples, but videogames.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 It wouldn’t be the first time the Church took something that wasn’t Christian or was staunchly opposed to Christ and made it good, to say we can’t as Christians take things away from the devil is to ignore our own history.
Plus, christian warriors of old wore parement crosses over armor (cross-shaped military honours came from the idea), inscribed armor and belts with psalms, ect. Not mentioning the whole icons as banners. If you don't like it, that's your personal opinion which are based on your own likings, not actual religious practices.
@@BanterWithBojan these were also a political statements rather then sacred objects, strictly speaking (with exception of banner which were considered to be a form of icons). And these were also created by mundane artisans and sold as commodities. See no difference. Orthodox church does not enforce any particular forms of such accessories, because they are not the sacred objects (similar to temple building architecture, for example - compare traditional russian churches with Kazan Cathedral). Also, the seals you are speaking about does not come from games, because in games they bear the iconography of fictional Imperium of Mankind, so they resemble to the actual ones in form only.
Haven't heard anything about this, so I was hoping it was some small aspect of Orthodoxy that Warhammer had appropriated. I enjoy Warhammer, and have an idea for a Sisters of Battle army, to kitbash them into something looking Orthodox, rather than Gothic/Catholic. But the other way around, it's kinda weird.
Russian Orthodoxy is basically just 40K between the priests blessing nukes and planes (a broken missile won't fly no matter how many times you baptize it) and this.
To be honest I just think this is really cool. Of course from the moral angle pride is a danger with revelling in such aesthetic factors, and I have certainly seen the Russians using the faith in a less than reverent way for war propaganda. But morale is an important factor in war, just as praying puts soldiers at rest, making them carry marks of their righteousness will absolutely inspire them in battle, of course this means less if they do not take Christian attitudes with them, but the officers will very likely encourage these types of religious commitments, just as I see Russian Monarchists who say they must redeem in blood their people's crimes before God (meaning the destruction of Holy Russia and their grandparents role in supporting the Soviets in one way or another, or at least not fighting them to the bitter end, they really like the Kornilov Shock Battalion uniform presumably in this theme, though probably because of the skull, from my understanding the committed monarchists were actually in the Drozdowski Division, though as I don't speak Russian maybe that is just a stereotype) and know that no one in Russia is going to rebuke their commitment to self-sacrifice.
Warhammer teaches never to compromise on your faith and to defeat your enemies. That's why you dont like purity seals, not becouse it is from the game or some pharasy nonsense. If these items where from some degenerate universe people like you would advertise them.
Nah,Purity Seals are good,GW are pissed tf off at the russian market,plus,i need purity seals for Milsim(Alongside an airsoft prototype ak12,and an SS Leto smock)
It's a meta joke. In the video, he criticises the seals being reminiscent to the Pharisees, who rather than wearing their tassles to accord, would end up using them pridefully and try to "outpious" eachother by having more tassles. A more literal modern day equivalent of this is prayer ropes. A single prayer rope is enough for an Orthodox Christian, and generally you should keep it private, not show it off, because they are a prayer device, which you should use for prayer, not for bragging about how much you pray. But some mistaken young Orthodox buy as many prayer ropes as possible, just like the pharisees. Bojan is making a meta-joke drawing parallel between irl behaviours and the topic of the video.
I don't know, I'm not on the front. If the guys on the front want to wear purity seels, why argue with them? They're the ones putting their lives on it.
Hey bojan what do you think of taking a bible verse/verses and turning them into a secular song, like not in the evangelical way but in like the turn turn turn way by the byrds?
Totally unrelated to the video... I was listening to an interview on BBC radio this evening, and they were interviewing someone about their life story. I didn't know who it was, but as soon as I heard the voice I knew they were Serbian because their European accent was identical to yours. It was Marina Abramović. 😆
Hello Bojan! I don't know if this is the best way to reach out to you or how to submit questions to you but here is mine: How do we reconcile the fact that the words "I am the chief of sinners" are put into our mouths every Divine Liturgy when we know for a fact that we are not? I have never murdered a man, I have never committed adultery, I have never led thousands in schism, and the few times I have stolen, it was comparatively minor compared to the evils done by huge businesses today. I understand pride may be a real element at work here, but I fail to see it as such, for you don't need to be a chef to know when a burger tastes bad. If I see an evil I've got no problem recognizing it as evil and calling it out. I know I'm no saint and I've got a handful of sins I need to confess, but for me to compare myself to people whom I know to have done far worse than I have is what I call false humility.
Bojane, imam jedno vazno pitanje, prvo poslusaj pricu: Za konteks ja volim istoriju i zelim da je studiram uskoro, hteo sam da kupim statuu muze Klio, muze za istorju da "reprezentuje" moju ljubav prema istoriji. Tada mi je palo na pamet da pogledam da li postoji neki svetac, kako ne bih uzimao paganska bozanstva, koji je zastitnik istoricara, dosao sam do jednog coveka po imenu Beda (Bede na engleskom), ali pojavio se problem, vrlo cudan... Na internetu pise da nije kanonizovan u pravoslavnoj crkvi, ali da je u rimokatolickijoj i odredjenim crkvama oriejtantolnog praovslavlja, cak iako je ziveo u 8. veku, a to je bilo posle raskola sa orijentalnom pravoslavnom crkvom, a kod nas je tako da je pre-raskolni svetac, koji nije kanonizovan?!? Takodje na nekim nasim sajtovima koji su kao pravoslavni i to kao i na wikipediji, pise da je mu je ime: Beda Postovani. Tako da ne znam da li smem da ga imam u svom "icon corner"-u, cak postoje i ikone sa njegovim likom?
it's silly, I guess it could be fine for a role play thing, but yeah I could see how it could be offensive to people of faith or run against doctrine. I watched both vids your perspective was interesting, thanks.
Not all displays of Christianity are for the sake of displaying piety. Someone of them could very well be for the purpose of raising morale, like drawing crosses on shields or parading icons in front of troops. If one wears an 'Orthodox purity seal' to show off their faith - then yes, it is a problem. But of one wears them to increase spirits (or just for the coolness of it), I don't see a problem
This won't be popular but all the Orthodox "streetwear" like Death to the World merchandise is basically the same thing just without being Warhammer inspired. It makes me uncomfortable for someone to be wearing all this Orthodox symbolism combined with like a punk/hardcore aesthetic. I know it sounds judgmental but its too much for me personally.
You do know the rosary and orthodox prayer beads were taken from a Muslim practice of using beads, and Muslims took the practice from ancient Hindu and Buddhist traditions using mala beads. Proof being that Christians didn’t use this before the crusades. But they seen a benefit to it so it became a Christian practice. If people want to have a cross seal with scripture written on it, that doesn’t seem that blasphemous honestly.
Let us pray for peace. Isn't it true that who picks up the sword will be killed by the sword (Mat 26,52) and that our first duties are to love God and to love our neighbors? Isn't all nationalism idolatry? Saint Velimirović was aware of that. What also troubles me is that Russians and Ukrainians include pagan symbolism in their military ranks while the most important reason to defect military service for the early Christians was not to participate in pagan rituals. This is already enough to stay away from any currently existing army. I adore Seraphim of Sarov very much. When I heard that the ROC declared him the patron of the nuclear forces, even though it had been the founders of these forces who killed all the monks at Seraphim monastery I became very sad. Let us pray against the enemy within the Church and in the Military. Let us not forget Psalm 79 and especially 79,4 because we do behave like hypocrites and don't deserve better than to be laughed at if we allow political forces to hijack our belief.
First of all, my word that's a lot of bracelets and ropes. Second of all that's an idiotic thing. Pardon my temper, I feel bad for the priest who will probably be aware of this, and it's sad. "Orthodox Purity Seals" give me a break.
Its even more ironic because warhammer 40k is supposed to be a ridiculously bleak version of the future. People get turned into cyborg slaves, entire planets get blown to smithereens and some machines are piloted by half corpses, this should be the LAST fictional setting that gets emulated irl.
Not to mention that there's an extreme class divide where nobility in the hives typically live above the clouds while the working class lives halfway underground, sometimes living in the same factories where they work, never seeing the sun.
3:52 *Looks at the countless icons in every Orthodox church* *Looks at the idols of roman gods* *Looks at the 'Christian' holidays that are just Hellenic pagan holidays with a Jesus sticker slapped on* Look, Orthodoxy is probably the only Christian denomination actually worth something, but let's not kid ourselves here.
Good video! Are you a bee or a fly? Bee sees King David’s psalm. Fly sees war hammer purity seals. Btw those Russian soldiers are orcs! Did you know that? The entire world knows that…
This the same a keeping a small bible or icons on you or a cross, why hide you faith tho? I would understand if you were persecuted but there is no reason to hide you cross, you can wear it outside, i personally dont but that's just preference
Bojan dumping 40k lore is the funniest thing
Bojan talking about 40k wasn’t on my bingo card for today lol also *pushes up glasses* Xenos are all Aliens the forces of Chaos are the demons and Chaos aren’t considered Xenos 🤓
There are also chaos-worshipping xenos, but those are critically underrepresented on the tabletop.
Which is worse, a demon of Chaos or a Xeno?
@@mariolis probably Chaos but my inner inquisitor says BOTH OF THEM
@@XxTheRealMusclemanxX Personally I ship Gulliman and Yvraine, so...
Please pray for us in the path of the potential hurricane in the U.S.
@@HeatherGreenjsyk will do!
We'll be alright lol
We'll be alright. Lol
@@floridaman318 I live in western North Carolina. Never in my lifetime have we gotten a tropical storm watch. I'm also moving from parents house in six weeks so alot has been stressful.
I live in Florida in the blast zone, you'll be fine.
Uhm ackhtually ☝️🤓, the main battle core of the imperium is Astra Militarum, not Space Marines!
On a more serious note, from what I've heard the "purity seals" from Ratnik Tactical were made because of many soldier requests.
The proper answer to many soldier requests is 'no'.
This is wrong. Absolutely a violation of the Canons as well as good sense.
Ratnik is selling blessed items, which is against Church Canons, and the Military Cathedral is going along with it willingly.
Moscow needs to take a chill pill and realize what they are doing is not Orthodox.
@@acekoala457 as Russian Orthodox, agreed. We saved ourselves from many heresies, but Christian nationalism and secularisation is deep in out bones 😩
@@s.novozhilov1856 Christian nationalism is not a bad thing. An Orthodox Christian nation would (ideally) obey the canons. What you seem to have in Russia is a secular state using the most powerful religious institution within its borders for the sake of the rodinu, rather than for Christ's sake.
It makes orthodoxy look like a larp
The fact that I got a Warhammer advertisement before this video
Another reason to pray for our clergy and hierarchs.
I never thought I’d need to pray, “Lord, please guide our clergy to not participate in associating Orthodoxy with the aesthetics of a genocidal theocracy from a table top war game.”
"Lord, please make this person consume less loy"
"Boo hoo fighting for humanity's survival in a world where everything wants to destroy it is bad, we wouldn't want to associate with that"
@@KnownNiche1999 I’m not one of those hand wringing types who calls imperium players facists or whatever, but it’s dumb to pretend that there aren’t a lot of awful things they do beyond what would be justified by the setting.
Associating our faith with a tabletop wargaming faction is really dumb, (and ironic given that the Emperor was a militant atheist who in-universe wiped out Christianity), and just because something looks cool doesn’t mean it’s respectful or a good idea. If there’s a legitimate spiritual concern here, more effective than a purity seal would be actually reading a psalter.
@@KnownNiche1999 Everything wants to wipe out humanity in 40k because humanity literally murdered everything that DIDN'T. Fucking idiot. You're the exact kind of person that thinks Fortunate Son is a pro-war song.
@@OCANTIOCORS What is your duty?
To serve the Emperor will.
What is the Emperor will?
That we fight and die.
What is death?
It is our duty.
Are you against soldiers having Orthodox Christian battle flags? I read that it's Psalms 90 on the Russian Orthodox "purity seals".
yes it's Psalm 90 , also written in Old Church Salvonic calligraphy. This video also shows the lack of understanding and research he did on this topic as well.
Please elaborate your opinion on them. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Surely it's a bit hypocritical to engage in violence, perhaps some that isn't in-line with Christian morals, and then using Orthodox symbolism? I get it if it's some Crusade to retake the Holy Lands or something (though even that would be mixed with secular politics, at the very least greed for power and oil or whatever), but I doubt any modern political conflict would be honourable enough to wear Christian seals.
Purity seal is sanctification. You are not more pure for having a patch... even more in war.
It sounds hypocritical if you ask me, Christians killing Christians and mind you Putin is not a Christian who doesn’t care for the lives of Ukrainians and Russians.
War is a heresy & the greatest sin
You're just ruining my ambition to be a Christian Space Marine one day at a time aren't you..
I dont want to act like im doing the “more righteous am i” thing but you seem to be a furry and thats a slightly larger issue at hand than your desire to be a space marine
Sailor Moon Bishop Crozier, you say? PATENT PENDING.
Bishop screaming "SAILOR BISHOP MOON CROZIER ACTIVATE!" at the random moment in the Liturgy and all the clergy and faithful having to endure an obnoxiously long transformation sequence
😂😂@@BanterWithBojan
Do not take my word since I’m not orthodox, but I think any denomination willing to adopt the purity seal and actually wear them is awesome, because it’s a declaration of faith, kinda like wearing a rosary/cross, and in such a unique cool way. however I see your points on how it could get out of hand.
But where can I buy some
At your local war church
It’s a religious themed moral patch. And considering the more religious aspect this war has taken on this stuff is only going to become more common.
What is your duty?
To serve the Emperor will.
What is the Emperor will?
That we fight and die.
What is death?
It is our duty.
take that russians! how dare you provide a little comfort and morale to your soldiers - many of whom used to enjoy a bit of gaming before their lives were turned upside down - as they're hunkered down in trenches, dodging drones everyday - politically isolated and abandoned by their former allies such as serbia. no fun allowed, sergei!
based
Ukrainians aren't alien demons, though. They're orthodox people, just like the Russians. They are fighting their own brothers because of the quarrels of higher ups. This is not to be done with gladness.
@@irreadings as putin himself correctly observed, russia is not at war with ukraine - russia is at war with NATO
@@ChristopherAnderson-e5o yeah, of course. The material conflict that's happening is still between two orthodox countries. Ukraine is the representative of NATO in this situation. It doesn't matter if Putin says that their real enemy is NATO. Ukrainians and Russians are still killing each other.
@@ChristopherAnderson-e5o crazy how it's ukranians and russians dying not nato officials
If its about ''trying to be like wh40k but orthodox cus cool'' its really not needed at all cus the larp is pointless, but if its soldiers want to display their faith more tangibly(like how they have flags of the head of Christ, some have those bracelets with saints or crosses) then I think its a bit more fair - seems logical they would want something to remind them of Gods protection and to have it seen easily as to remember it and give a morale boost - something much needed on the battlefield. More so seems like the second option to me dear Boyan. Alas im young in the faith and maybe Im being gullible, God bless them and you regardless of this.
I will say Ratnik is selling them with the Christ flags, and advertises them as a pair. Just fyi
I need this on my plate carrier, now!
Same bro
It's not just the Russians Borjan, the Ukrainians are starting to hand out purity seals as well for their armies.
I've seen Ukrainian Foreign Legion wearing the Cross of the Black Templars.
I have a silver lapel pin with the sign of the black Templars, a Maltese Cross with a Skull in is wonderful imagery.
@@SethNemah I say a Ukrainian soldier wearing the Inquisition emblem
Nah sorry. We're gonna christianize 40k!
Start with the dark eldar
you are wh40k'ing christianity
Orthodox Mechanicus when
I admit, the wh40k "cool factor" is very enticing, but you're right lol. It's funny. I do have a question, glad you brought up cross necklaces: I know wearing them inside shirts is about humility, but practically irl, when I see people wearing them I feel comforted given I'm American. :( did Christ not tell us to hang our lamps high for the world to see too, not under a bushel? How is this balanced. Confusing. Thank you
The greatest sign of a Christian is Love.
If you wear your Cross outside your shirt and have not Love then you are like the Pharisees.
Inside or Outside is a matter of your inward disposition.
I seem to remember that there was a verse saying something to the effect of: "The faithful don't need to be seen and heard praying when they communicate with god. A quiet prayer in the silence of your home is better than a performative show of faith in the streets."
I'd have to look it up to determine which I'm thinking about, though.
You've heard of Christ the Redeemer.
You've heard of Christ the Pantocrator.
But have you heard of Christ... *The OMNISSIAH?* 😉
Me who plays Dark Mechanicum:
“Well this is awkward!”
"Omnissiah" is a pun on "Messiah". And 2nd edition lore hinted that the Emperor could have secretly been Jesus (as well as other historical figures) so... ^^
If the purity seal was in the spirit of the lore, it would be your _podvig_ written out with an accompanying biblical verse. That is how they operate amongst the space marines, a rite of honor or piety agreed upon between a chaplain and battle brother.
I've also seen them described as chronicling the deeds of the equipment they're attached to and their wearers?
"This sword was wielded by brother such-and-such when he lopped the head off a chaos sorcerer who trapped him and his platoon in a pocket dimension during the battle of hive Caviarus Secundus," to make up an example.
You are an absolute genius.
If we were to fight literal embodied demons (God forbid), would purity seals have use then? Not every "soldier" would be a miracle working saint afterall.
It says something about the state of spiritual affairs, when you have soldiers facing combat and death looking to what is a parody/satire/inversion of traditional Christianity and Catholicism in particular for semi-serious religious paraphernalia. As a pastor who grew up with 40K, I agree with Bojan about the moral/spiritual issues in play here. Does it speak to a spiritual hunger/destitution when a parody of the faith (that has little fragments of church history and spirituality baked in) seems to have more spiritual potency/truth than a lot of Christianity today? Particularly for young men? Or is it just soldiers being soldiers because 40K has attained mainstream popularity... (I've seen UKR combat footage with Khornate watermarks)
I think it’s absolutely based.
The space marines aren't the only people that wear purity seals it can be anyone in the imperial guard, inquisition or the imperial cult. Also the space marines are a rare sight in the Galaxy. The main fighting force would be the imperial guard.
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
If you know anything about 40k, you know there are some serious problems with conflating Christianity with the Imperium of Man. (For one the Emperor is a Reddit tier Anti-Theist who was deified after essentially becoming a vegetable)
If your going to pull from media at least pull from something with actual Christian themes like Narnia, Solomon Kane, or LotR. Ok, that's two protestants; Lewis, & Howard, and a Catholic; Tolkien. So probably not great for Orthadox symbology, but better than 40k.
The aesthetics of the imperium of man are meta gothic ultra Catholic, and it is a setting in which evil is tangible in the same sense as it was to the early Christians, in a very physical sense. Many younger Christians are influenced by the setting to a large extent as it was their main source of comparison for traditional Church imagery and understanding the demonic nature of certain contemporary evils, they are much more likely to reference a Chaos 'god' when talking about some sin than some literary work like Dante's inferno. On the plus side they do tend to educate themselves over time, and it is an introduction to a Christian mindset towards reality that churches are often reluctant to give due to thinking that being too forthright will scare people off. But it does mean these converts will absolutely think fumigating a tank with incense, equipping it with flamethrowers, covering it in wax seals and bundling some poor monk in with them to go to battle is not just sensible but a good idea.
There's plenty of Christian symbols in 40k. There are crosses, memento mori, and double-headed Eagles everywhere in their iconography. They have Saints and holy knights, go on crusades, etc.
wwat are you wwearing?
Everything
@@BanterWithBojan wear more
@@BanterWithBojan Severe lack of prayer ropes. More prayer ropes!
Maybe he's forgotten to prayer rope recently and needs to catch up on his Jesus Prayer
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As a big fan of Warhammer 40k (obviously) & an aspiring Orthodox Christian, the simple fact of the matter is this sort of intermixing is very dangerous in my opinion and I'm shocked that this was even contemplated let alone allowed!
i believe the proper theological term is "cringe"
Yup
Can you explain what you are wearing? I don’t recognize some of this.
I have a question. What about the medieval era when Orthodox nations would have flags with the image of Christ on them as they go into battle. Do these fall in a similar vein?
No, those were actually based
Keep in mind it's a kind of counter-gesture toward ukraininans with their unit called 'Khorne group' after a chaos god from 40k universe, which oppose Imperium of Man
Both are equally cringe.
What if one wears a cross or such item, not to publicly show "piety", but to show that you aren't afraid to proclaim Christ as your Lord? Not to doubt or argue just for legit understanding and criticism.
I think you guys are beyond over thinking it
Hi Bojan if possible could you go over the differences between East Orthodoxy and Old Calendarists or True Orthodoxy as some of them call it?
I stumbled upon some arguements and find it very confusing.
This sounds crazy, I have no idea what you’re talking about, I’m too old for the context lol
We have prayer ropes. We have seals to stamp bread. We have mini altars worn on the neck. We have metal chest protection with Saints or Mother of Christ worn on the neck. I have not seen a purity seal. Maybe it is a Bulgarian or Serbian thing.
Also on one hand, while you are correct in mentioning the Bible passage of piety signaling like in the Gospel of Matthew, is there any difference in doing that and wearing an external cross necklace?
How is it different from a t-shirt with a cross and/or psalm text print? Are you angry at any clothes featuring Christian symbols or just ones that are inspired by games?
Primarily the ones inspired by video games. As for clothing, generally those are sort of ornaments and not used as a protective device, as the purity seals are.
@@BanterWithBojanIn fairness I doubt they actually believe it will literally protect them, just cool and a way to combine their hobby with Christ.
@@BanterWithBojan All the symbols and text from the game got replaced with St. Constantine's cross and Psalm 91 where is the issue?
T-shirts and other clothing are a hot topic as well, so Share your opinion on those! For example, although I am not against most Christian symbolism on T-shirts, I am very iffy about icons on tshirts. Icons are said to be holy regardless of the material. So would really wear a t-shirt that is essentially an icon, go about your day, potentially engage in sin, if not then getting stains on the shirt icon from eating, drinking, whatever, the putting it in your washing with all other dirty clothes? I'd personally recommend no. What about other non-iconographic religious symbols: Crosses, prayers, Orthodox seals, other Christian symbolism, slogans, etc? Idk. If we ignore the the problem that icon shirts have, it falls into multiple new problems: is it not showing of your piousness the same way Pharisees did? If not and your intent is different, say, to remind yourself not to sin - what if you do? And other problems come with it too.
But in this case, that is not what Bojan was referring to, rather than the inspiration not from irl examples, but videogames.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 It wouldn’t be the first time the Church took something that wasn’t Christian or was staunchly opposed to Christ and made it good, to say we can’t as Christians take things away from the devil is to ignore our own history.
Plus, christian warriors of old wore parement crosses over armor (cross-shaped military honours came from the idea), inscribed armor and belts with psalms, ect. Not mentioning the whole icons as banners. If you don't like it, that's your personal opinion which are based on your own likings, not actual religious practices.
None of these came from games.
@@BanterWithBojan these were also a political statements rather then sacred objects, strictly speaking (with exception of banner which were considered to be a form of icons). And these were also created by mundane artisans and sold as commodities. See no difference. Orthodox church does not enforce any particular forms of such accessories, because they are not the sacred objects (similar to temple building architecture, for example - compare traditional russian churches with Kazan Cathedral). Also, the seals you are speaking about does not come from games, because in games they bear the iconography of fictional Imperium of Mankind, so they resemble to the actual ones in form only.
Rome, Moscow, and cOnStAnTiNoPlE are all in the same boat.
I have a solution to this issue, no one will brandish piety if they are mandatory :D
Well, true :D
Haven't heard anything about this, so I was hoping it was some small aspect of Orthodoxy that Warhammer had appropriated.
I enjoy Warhammer, and have an idea for a Sisters of Battle army, to kitbash them into something looking Orthodox, rather than Gothic/Catholic. But the other way around, it's kinda weird.
I just think they're neat
Russian Orthodoxy is basically just 40K between the priests blessing nukes and planes (a broken missile won't fly no matter how many times you baptize it) and this.
To be honest I just think this is really cool. Of course from the moral angle pride is a danger with revelling in such aesthetic factors, and I have certainly seen the Russians using the faith in a less than reverent way for war propaganda. But morale is an important factor in war, just as praying puts soldiers at rest, making them carry marks of their righteousness will absolutely inspire them in battle, of course this means less if they do not take Christian attitudes with them, but the officers will very likely encourage these types of religious commitments, just as I see Russian Monarchists who say they must redeem in blood their people's crimes before God (meaning the destruction of Holy Russia and their grandparents role in supporting the Soviets in one way or another, or at least not fighting them to the bitter end, they really like the Kornilov Shock Battalion uniform presumably in this theme, though probably because of the skull, from my understanding the committed monarchists were actually in the Drozdowski Division, though as I don't speak Russian maybe that is just a stereotype) and know that no one in Russia is going to rebuke their commitment to self-sacrifice.
Warhammer teaches never to compromise on your faith and to defeat your enemies. That's why you dont like purity seals, not becouse it is from the game or some pharasy nonsense. If these items where from some degenerate universe people like you would advertise them.
Who are you wearing Bojan?
it's better than the Ukrainians that are using icons painted on their armor plates...
Nah,Purity Seals are good,GW are pissed tf off at the russian market,plus,i need purity seals for Milsim(Alongside an airsoft prototype ak12,and an SS Leto smock)
What and why are you wearing that stuff.
for meme reasons I guess? Maybe he tried to represent the Adaptus Mechanicus? IDK.
He’s ironically pointing out piety signaling for being silly by wearing a ridiculous amount of prayer ropes
I mean it’s obvious isn’t it? The more prayer ropes you wear the more pious you are and everyone can know how super pious you are
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That's definitely his brand of humor! XD
It's a meta joke. In the video, he criticises the seals being reminiscent to the Pharisees, who rather than wearing their tassles to accord, would end up using them pridefully and try to "outpious" eachother by having more tassles.
A more literal modern day equivalent of this is prayer ropes. A single prayer rope is enough for an Orthodox Christian, and generally you should keep it private, not show it off, because they are a prayer device, which you should use for prayer, not for bragging about how much you pray. But some mistaken young Orthodox buy as many prayer ropes as possible, just like the pharisees. Bojan is making a meta-joke drawing parallel between irl behaviours and the topic of the video.
I recently started looking into Warhammer lore. Funny herring about it from you
Good lord, what are you doing with all the... you know, I am not going to ask.
Hi Bojan. You should definitely parody this in a future divine comedy!
I don't know, I'm not on the front. If the guys on the front want to wear purity seels, why argue with them? They're the ones putting their lives on it.
FUKUYAMA WANTS ATRICITIES,GO TEAM MORE PURITY SEALS
I think they’re fine as long as it keeps a soldier’s mind on God.
Also love the prayer ropes you got there:)
Hey bojan what do you think of taking a bible verse/verses and turning them into a secular song, like not in the evangelical way but in like the turn turn turn way by the byrds?
Chris Hillman is now Orthodox Christian.
Reading some books from dr michael heiser. When can you give an orthodox view of PSALM 81 ( 82 protestant bibles)?
But Sir! It's add +5 protection against demons
Totally unrelated to the video... I was listening to an interview on BBC radio this evening, and they were interviewing someone about their life story. I didn't know who it was, but as soon as I heard the voice I knew they were Serbian because their European accent was identical to yours.
It was Marina Abramović. 😆
What do you think of tattoos of Orthodox crosses?
Hello Bojan! I don't know if this is the best way to reach out to you or how to submit questions to you but here is mine:
How do we reconcile the fact that the words "I am the chief of sinners" are put into our mouths every Divine Liturgy when we know for a fact that we are not? I have never murdered a man, I have never committed adultery, I have never led thousands in schism, and the few times I have stolen, it was comparatively minor compared to the evils done by huge businesses today. I understand pride may be a real element at work here, but I fail to see it as such, for you don't need to be a chef to know when a burger tastes bad. If I see an evil I've got no problem recognizing it as evil and calling it out. I know I'm no saint and I've got a handful of sins I need to confess, but for me to compare myself to people whom I know to have done far worse than I have is what I call false humility.
Do your part to make it known that ortho-larping is not welcome in your parish.
There is nothing wrong with this
Agree to disagree :)
Bojane, imam jedno vazno pitanje, prvo poslusaj pricu:
Za konteks ja volim istoriju i zelim da je studiram uskoro, hteo sam da kupim statuu muze Klio, muze za istorju da "reprezentuje" moju ljubav prema istoriji. Tada mi je palo na pamet da pogledam da li postoji neki svetac, kako ne bih uzimao paganska bozanstva, koji je zastitnik istoricara, dosao sam do jednog coveka po imenu Beda (Bede na engleskom), ali pojavio se problem, vrlo cudan... Na internetu pise da nije kanonizovan u pravoslavnoj crkvi, ali da je u rimokatolickijoj i odredjenim crkvama oriejtantolnog praovslavlja, cak iako je ziveo u 8. veku, a to je bilo posle raskola sa orijentalnom pravoslavnom crkvom, a kod nas je tako da je pre-raskolni svetac, koji nije kanonizovan?!? Takodje na nekim nasim sajtovima koji su kao pravoslavni i to kao i na wikipediji, pise da je mu je ime: Beda Postovani. Tako da ne znam da li smem da ga imam u svom "icon corner"-u, cak postoje i ikone sa njegovim likom?
@@CzarLazar1389 Hvala
Great video!
it's silly, I guess it could be fine for a role play thing, but yeah I could see how it could be offensive to people of faith or run against doctrine. I watched both vids your perspective was interesting, thanks.
Please, _don't_ look up "Trench Crusade".
Not all displays of Christianity are for the sake of displaying piety.
Someone of them could very well be for the purpose of raising morale, like drawing crosses on shields or parading icons in front of troops.
If one wears an 'Orthodox purity seal' to show off their faith - then yes, it is a problem. But of one wears them to increase spirits (or just for the coolness of it), I don't see a problem
What compelled you to do this😭
Its cool and if it works it works
Nice jewelry brother
This won't be popular but all the Orthodox "streetwear" like Death to the World merchandise is basically the same thing just without being Warhammer inspired. It makes me uncomfortable for someone to be wearing all this Orthodox symbolism combined with like a punk/hardcore aesthetic. I know it sounds judgmental but its too much for me personally.
It's obscene.
You do know the rosary and orthodox prayer beads were taken from a Muslim practice of using beads, and Muslims took the practice from ancient Hindu and Buddhist traditions using mala beads. Proof being that Christians didn’t use this before the crusades. But they seen a benefit to it so it became a Christian practice. If people want to have a cross seal with scripture written on it, that doesn’t seem that blasphemous honestly.
Christians used beads and prayer ropes way before Islam.
Let us pray for peace. Isn't it true that who picks up the sword will be killed by the sword (Mat 26,52) and that our first duties are to love God and to love our neighbors? Isn't all nationalism idolatry? Saint Velimirović was aware of that. What also troubles me is that Russians and Ukrainians include pagan symbolism in their military ranks while the most important reason to defect military service for the early Christians was not to participate in pagan rituals. This is already enough to stay away from any currently existing army. I adore Seraphim of Sarov very much. When I heard that the ROC declared him the patron of the nuclear forces, even though it had been the founders of these forces who killed all the monks at Seraphim monastery I became very sad. Let us pray against the enemy within the Church and in the Military. Let us not forget Psalm 79 and especially 79,4 because we do behave like hypocrites and don't deserve better than to be laughed at if we allow political forces to hijack our belief.
First of all, my word that's a lot of bracelets and ropes.
Second of all that's an idiotic thing. Pardon my temper, I feel bad for the priest who will probably be aware of this, and it's sad. "Orthodox Purity Seals" give me a break.
lol Russians think they're Space Marines. lmao
Based tbh.
I am Alpharius?
Wouldn't know :)
I want to sell my soul help me piz I am in so much trouble piz someone help me
Why would you want to sell your soul?
Its even more ironic because warhammer 40k is supposed to be a ridiculously bleak version of the future. People get turned into cyborg slaves, entire planets get blown to smithereens and some machines are piloted by half corpses, this should be the LAST fictional setting that gets emulated irl.
Not to mention that there's an extreme class divide where nobility in the hives typically live above the clouds while the working class lives halfway underground, sometimes living in the same factories where they work, never seeing the sun.
Sailor 🌙 🎉🎉🎉
Bro wtf are you wearing on your ear and neck ? Be serious bro wtf .. im not taking advice from you no doubt
I am parodying the purity seals.
3:52
*Looks at the countless icons in every Orthodox church*
*Looks at the idols of roman gods*
*Looks at the 'Christian' holidays that are just Hellenic pagan holidays with a Jesus sticker slapped on*
Look, Orthodoxy is probably the only Christian denomination actually worth something, but let's not kid ourselves here.
I see you know squat about Church history
Good video!
Are you a bee or a fly?
Bee sees King David’s psalm.
Fly sees war hammer purity seals.
Btw those Russian soldiers are orcs! Did you know that? The entire world knows that…
They are human beings, made in the image of God.
Calling them orcs is not nice, don't be like the Islamist
@@SeraphimDW he's being sarcastic. Making a point about dehumanization of Russians.
@@pshein DEY ARR PROPPAH ORKY GITZ AN DEY LIKE TAH WAAAAAGH!!!!!
Where Liches keep their souls 😂😂😂
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This is soyjack nonsense
Agree completely. Imagine wearing items from a game francise lol
This the same a keeping a small bible or icons on you or a cross, why hide you faith tho? I would understand if you were persecuted but there is no reason to hide you cross, you can wear it outside, i personally dont but that's just preference