First of all thank you for that great video! I liked how you talked about Kendo and Kumdo, because you where really respectful with what you said and had used the right words in my opinion! Because its not easy to talk about what all happened before WW2 with Japan etc. I learned something about the early days of Kumdo and Kendo so thanks for that! I have two last question, are there some links for the Gyokuryuki all Japan Highschool tournament participants who you read some of? And if there is a way to watch the tournament live? If there some Englisch failures, i tried! (not native speaker) Kind regards!
It's disrespectful that some Korean practitioners or association members are claiming that Kumdo is the origin of Kendo whatever. So in this regard, Kumdo is just a rip off.
Where abouts are you from mate? Sounds like my end in the north west. :) Good video by the way, I’m going to Korea in October with the missus to study Kǒmdo from the ground up. I’m 29, a moody git and only have experience with an English longsword, never competed, so I foresee me getting battered by ninja kids in the near future! As I kinda decided to do the thing before fully researching it, I’m hoping your videos will help me out haha. I will subscribe. :) Take care and take it easy. - Paddy
tl;dw - They are the same. They are named differently, because of language differences between Korean and Japanese, but they are the same, and are compatible for competition. The main differences between the two are are in the form of philosophy, and rituals. Uninformative. I was expecting more of a video regarding the contrasts between the two differently named arts, but all I was left with from this video is that they are the same, but named differently because of the language differences. It would have bee a better video if the first 20 minutes weren't filled with filler, and no definitive contrasts between the two. He lead with saying 'they aren't the same', but admitted they were the same, just from different peoples.
Most Korean practicing Kumdo knows that it is Japanese martiarts. You use hakama, bogu,shina, etc. All of these are from Japan. It's just that people in the higher table of kumdo wanna play what's best for them. No korean without ties would walk in to Kumdo dojang and think they are learning Korean martial arts. Lots of korean practicing "Kumdo" is even ashamed of its name and history. Most of them train Kumdo not because they choose to but because they practically have no option to train any martial arts that deals any weaponry.
Nice video. I was waiting for a video like this. KKF used to admit that Kendo originated from japan until they had a dispute with "Haidong Gumdo", which is a fake martial art, whose practitioners tried to advertise their bullshit by claiming that, unlike Kendo, their art is traditional. Kendo practitioners did manage to expose them though. However, what happened was, concerned about Korea's anti-japan mentality, KKF started lying about the history and the origin of Kendo in order to gather practitioners.
Fair play to ya, Andy! Very nice to see people keeping their mind open to diferences and, specially, being respectiful. Well done not saying one is better than another. Best wishes for ya.
The similarities seem more obvious than the differences to me. Diversity should be celebrated however, for it can lead to new insight and progress, and mutual respect.
Very good show! If you are going to produce more of this regularly, I think one nice idea for a "section" of the show could be making an interview to someone to get to know about their daily life/job and how kendo fits with their everyday schedule (or not;D) and their own personal views on kendo and then end up doing a ji-geiko with him/her. Just my two cents....
I'm a university student in the U.S. and this spring I was studying in an exchange program in Korea and had an opportunity to practice with a university kumdo club for a few months. You're definitely right about how kendo and kumdo are similar from a technical standpoint, but different culturally. Actually, it seems like kumdo tries to distinguish itself rather purposefully. For example, the day before a tournament, I was told that I couldn't wear my hakama because it was banned by the KKA and could disqualify me from the tournament. Furthermore, when talking to my friends in the club, it sounded like some of the older practitioners really wanted to distance kumdo from kendo. However, at the same time, it seems that there are many kumdo practitioners are really appreciating the cultural differences between the two. There were a few times that my friends would tell me how cool my kendo looks as compared to kumdo, and that they wish that they could look cool too without getting in trouble with their teachers! It's like you said, both systems work towards personal development, and at the end of the day it seems that's the most important thing.
Very good podcast! I am a korean american practicing kendo. like you said, the reasons for such strong opinions on both sides often have nothing to do with kendo/kumdo, but with the background during which they both developed. while the historical context and consequences are very important, i'm glad you didn't delve into it as more often than not, it never leads to a productive, mutually beneficial discussion. Here in Southern California, we have both kendo and kumdo. and both sides get along very well. cheers! :)
Hi Andy, thanks for the video, really good to learn more about kendo/kumdo. For suggestion of topic, I saw in one of your streams, someone asked about the difference between European kendo vs Japanese Kendo and you said there is more difference between respect/manners than anything. This answer surprised me, because I thought the japanese would be more "strict" with the kendo manners.... So maybe you could do a podcast with the difference between japanese kendo vs western kendo (since I am a brazilian, currently living in australia, kendo practioneer). Cheers, keep the good work.
One of the major difference between the two is that Kumdo incorporates a solo man form called Bon Guk Geom Bup (Native Sword Method) along with the normal Kendo/Kumdo kata. Maybe the added solo form influences how Kumdo players have a different "style" in shiai/shihap.
thank you Andy! it was a very good start for the kendo cast. I would personaly like a video about the develpoment of Kendo and more specifically of the tecniques that used to exist and why they where taken out of the modern Kendo practice. thank you very much!
Hi Andy, I wanted to get your thoughts on the difference between kendo and kenjutsu, and the sportification of kendo, specifically with regards the number of datotsubui, use of bare feet, disallowance of throws etc. Maybe something you could discuss in the next video!
I think you were very careful not to go overboard with the subject. The problem with Kendo vs. Kumdo is the majority of people who practice Kendo hate Kumdo. Kendo practioner like myself believe that the difference between Kendo vs. Kumdo is Bundo vs. Sports. It is a consensus that Kendo is beautiful and Kumdo is ugly. I think it's a dated sterotype, but people still hate on Kumdo regardless of how things actually are.
As a korean american that practiced both kendo and kumdo under different dojos, i do agree that kumdo tends to concentrate and emphasize much on speech, agility, and the ability to make a point rather than displaying good form that arises from discipline and from forming a good character(idk if this is a proper description of the spirit of "kendo"). Nonetheless, many of the korean dojos are aware of this exact spirit found in kendo and they try to teach and instill such direction during day to day practice. Unfortunately, due to the historical tension(and yes they still do exist) between japan and korea... whenever there are big competitions, to our dismay, both parties encourage an environment that stifle such tension and korean competitors/teams become very aggressive and in that scene they lose sight of why we practice such martial arts. The coaches promote those behavior and the competitions became more of a expression of their way of taking back or yearning for control at something to which they felt they have been entitled to, after japan took over korea. It grieves me to see this animosity between the two countries that i came to love- where both have good and bad quality found in their culture. I guess what I want to say is that,, yes, we do see such loss of beauty(practicing swordsmanship and cultivating our character in the process) in kumdo, but at the same time much of the kumdo dojos strive for the same type of spirit grasped in kendo. More or less, I love 劍術 and I appreciate the refined arts that Japanese people have brought and shared.And i hope by sharing this, such tensions would be brought down so that we can appreciate the art of kendo as kendo practitioners -----sorry for the long post-----
I've been told by sensei yesterday to think about getting my bogu soon. After comparing many websites, I've decided to go with kendostar. Excited to get one soon.
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Could you put show notes, links and timestamps in the description please. Thanks.
First of all thank you for that great video!
I liked how you talked about Kendo and Kumdo, because you where really respectful with what you said and had used the right words in my opinion!
Because its not easy to talk about what all happened before WW2 with Japan etc.
I learned something about the early days of Kumdo and Kendo so thanks for that!
I have two last question, are there some links for the Gyokuryuki all Japan Highschool tournament participants who you read some of?
And if there is a way to watch the tournament live?
If there some Englisch failures, i tried! (not native speaker)
Kind regards!
any links for the men's finals?(couldn't find any)
facebook.com/tanglinkendo/videos
It's disrespectful that some Korean practitioners or association members are claiming that Kumdo is the origin of Kendo whatever. So in this regard, Kumdo is just a rip off.
Where abouts are you from mate? Sounds like my end in the north west. :)
Good video by the way, I’m going to Korea in October with the missus to study Kǒmdo from the ground up. I’m 29, a moody git and only have experience with an English longsword, never competed, so I foresee me getting battered by ninja kids in the near future!
As I kinda decided to do the thing before fully researching it, I’m hoping your videos will help me out haha. I will subscribe. :)
Take care and take it easy.
- Paddy
How would it be different from kenjutsu?
tl;dw - They are the same. They are named differently, because of language differences between Korean and Japanese, but they are the same, and are compatible for competition. The main differences between the two are are in the form of philosophy, and rituals.
Uninformative. I was expecting more of a video regarding the contrasts between the two differently named arts, but all I was left with from this video is that they are the same, but named differently because of the language differences. It would have bee a better video if the first 20 minutes weren't filled with filler, and no definitive contrasts between the two. He lead with saying 'they aren't the same', but admitted they were the same, just from different peoples.
Most Korean practicing Kumdo knows that it is Japanese martiarts. You use hakama, bogu,shina, etc. All of these are from Japan. It's just that people in the higher table of kumdo wanna play what's best for them. No korean without ties would walk in to Kumdo dojang and think they are learning Korean martial arts. Lots of korean practicing "Kumdo" is even ashamed of its name and history. Most of them train Kumdo not because they choose to but because they practically have no option to train any martial arts that deals any weaponry.
Nice video. I was waiting for a video like this.
KKF used to admit that Kendo originated from japan until they had a dispute with "Haidong Gumdo", which is a fake martial art, whose practitioners tried to advertise their bullshit by claiming that, unlike Kendo, their art is traditional. Kendo practitioners did manage to expose them though. However, what happened was, concerned about Korea's anti-japan mentality, KKF started lying about the history and the origin of Kendo in order to gather practitioners.
00:10:40 into the video before he even mentions the topic. Plug after plug. So annoying I turned off the vid at that point.
Well it is a podcast , so I find it kind of normal.
Lol i came down into the comments looking for this after 8 minutes
Kumdo sword forms focus on fighting multiple opponents. Kendo practices one on one. So I was told by my Grandmaster.
I usually love your material, but you effectively said nothing here man. It's like there's almost no content here in this long video.
Fair play to ya, Andy! Very nice to see people keeping their mind open to diferences and, specially, being respectiful. Well done not saying one is better than another. Best wishes for ya.
The similarities seem more obvious than the differences to me. Diversity should be celebrated however, for it can lead to new insight and progress, and mutual respect.
Love your videos, but this time the information was overwhelmed by apologies and the flow a bit compromised...
the pronunciation of the u in kumdo is nearly like in but.
Very good show! If you are going to produce more of this regularly, I think one nice idea for a "section" of the show could be making an interview to someone to get to know about their daily life/job and how kendo fits with their everyday schedule (or not;D) and their own personal views on kendo and then end up doing a ji-geiko with him/her. Just my two cents....
I'm a university student in the U.S. and this spring I was studying in an exchange program in Korea and had an opportunity to practice with a university kumdo club for a few months.
You're definitely right about how kendo and kumdo are similar from a technical standpoint, but different culturally. Actually, it seems like kumdo tries to distinguish itself rather purposefully. For example, the day before a tournament, I was told that I couldn't wear my hakama because it was banned by the KKA and could disqualify me from the tournament. Furthermore, when talking to my friends in the club, it sounded like some of the older practitioners really wanted to distance kumdo from kendo.
However, at the same time, it seems that there are many kumdo practitioners are really appreciating the cultural differences between the two. There were a few times that my friends would tell me how cool my kendo looks as compared to kumdo, and that they wish that they could look cool too without getting in trouble with their teachers! It's like you said, both systems work towards personal development, and at the end of the day it seems that's the most important thing.
Very good podcast! I am a korean american practicing kendo. like you said, the reasons for such strong opinions on both sides often have nothing to do with kendo/kumdo, but with the background during which they both developed. while the historical context and consequences are very important, i'm glad you didn't delve into it as more often than not, it never leads to a productive, mutually beneficial discussion.
Here in Southern California, we have both kendo and kumdo. and both sides get along very well. cheers! :)
Hi Andy, thanks for the video, really good to learn more about kendo/kumdo. For suggestion of topic, I saw in one of your streams, someone asked about the difference between European kendo vs Japanese Kendo and you said there is more difference between respect/manners than anything.
This answer surprised me, because I thought the japanese would be more "strict" with the kendo manners.... So maybe you could do a podcast with the difference between japanese kendo vs western kendo (since I am a brazilian, currently living in australia, kendo practioneer).
Cheers, keep the good work.
Kendo and kumdo like football to UK, soccer to US
One of the major difference between the two is that Kumdo incorporates a solo man form called Bon Guk Geom Bup (Native Sword Method) along with the normal Kendo/Kumdo kata. Maybe the added solo form influences how Kumdo players have a different "style" in shiai/shihap.
Nicely done, Andy! Love the position that you take on this subject.
so good man =D
how often do you break shinais in regular practice? Do Japanese kendo schools schedule practices 7days a week?
thank you Andy! it was a very good start for the kendo cast. I would personaly like a video about the develpoment of Kendo and more specifically of the tecniques that used to exist and why they where taken out of the modern Kendo practice. thank you very much!
Do they score points differently?
Love the t-shirt!
Yes, my request was finally answered. Thanks Andy!
Kumdo for lyfe lol
Great video as always. I totally agree with what you said. Celebrate the differences and enjoy together!
Hi Andy, I wanted to get your thoughts on the difference between kendo and kenjutsu, and the sportification of kendo, specifically with regards the number of datotsubui, use of bare feet, disallowance of throws etc. Maybe something you could discuss in the next video!
I think you were very careful not to go overboard with the subject. The problem with Kendo vs. Kumdo is the majority of people who practice Kendo hate Kumdo. Kendo practioner like myself believe that the difference between Kendo vs. Kumdo is Bundo vs. Sports. It is a consensus that Kendo is beautiful and Kumdo is ugly. I think it's a dated sterotype, but people still hate on Kumdo regardless of how things actually are.
As a korean american that practiced both kendo and kumdo under different dojos, i do agree that kumdo tends to concentrate and emphasize much on speech, agility, and the ability to make a point rather than displaying good form that arises from discipline and from forming a good character(idk if this is a proper description of the spirit of "kendo"). Nonetheless, many of the korean dojos are aware of this exact spirit found in kendo and they try to teach and instill such direction during day to day practice. Unfortunately, due to the historical tension(and yes they still do exist) between japan and korea... whenever there are big competitions, to our dismay, both parties encourage an environment that stifle such tension and korean competitors/teams become very aggressive and in that scene they lose sight of why we practice such martial arts. The coaches promote those behavior and the competitions became more of a expression of their way of taking back or yearning for control at something to which they felt they have been entitled to, after japan took over korea. It grieves me to see this animosity between the two countries that i came to love- where both have good and bad quality found in their culture. I guess what I want to say is that,, yes, we do see such loss of beauty(practicing swordsmanship and cultivating our character in the process) in kumdo, but at the same time much of the kumdo dojos strive for the same type of spirit grasped in kendo. More or less, I love 劍術 and I appreciate the refined arts that Japanese people have brought and shared.And i hope by sharing this, such tensions would be brought down so that we can appreciate the art of kendo as kendo practitioners
-----sorry for the long post-----
I've been told by sensei yesterday to think about getting my bogu soon. After comparing many websites, I've decided to go with kendostar. Excited to get one soon.
You hit the nail on the head with the culture point.
Haha, I do love how you used the theme from Skyrim at the break. Mixing the fantasy/norse theme with the japanese.