Don't blame Leo. There was literally no way for Leo to practice the matchup thanks to Nintendo using netcode that only works in japan. This really does give japanese players a huge advantage over their western counterparts. They can get the matchup experience they need. People need to complain louder about this. It's scummy behavior and far too many japanese developers do it. Elden Ring has the same problem for instance.
@@alb7466 What? Are you not aware of this? This was the case with brawl whose online mode was basically unplayably laggy outside of japan. With Sm4sh it was the same thing again. Horrible lag even if you matchup with someone relatively close to you geographically. If you were in the UK trying to fight someone from Germany there would be heavy fucking lag. With every title its improved somewhat, but the netcode is still fucking trash in Ultimate. And it always works way better in Japan than anywhere else because the netcode has been created with the japanese internet infrastructure in mind. Thus the Japanese have a very active competitive online bracket where their players can practice against each other and learn matchups. The rest of the world doesn't have an online bracket like that because the rest of the world has to put up with so much lag that practicing online doesn't work since the game plays different when there's a big delay on everything. It makes everything less reactable and forces you to act preemptively. There's a huge gap between online and offline smash. Unless you live in Japan, where the gap is way smaller. This absolutely positively provides Japanese players with an unfair advantage. They can learn matchups at a top level online. The rest of the world cannot. How can you not know this? Toriguri is amazing, I love his Banjo. But what was MkLeo supposed to do? There was no way for him to not get matchup checked. And that very much has something to do with the poor netcode. If there was a global online bracket where people could hone their skills people getting ran over because they are up against a character they have no way of knowing how to play against would happen less. This issue is especially poignant because ultimate has such a huge pool of highly unique characters.
It is so ironic that banjo, One of most requested character in west, yet he mostly neglected by the west, is now beating most strongest western player by Japanese person.
A match that will haunt MKLeo forever. Looking at all the people trying to defend his lack of matchup knowledge. It’s been 5 years since Banjo was released. Y’all need to cope with Leo falling off.
Leo underestimated him. And most people underestimate Banjo... And Toriguri escaping all those killconfirms. Lessgoo Japan! I wanted to see this with Twitch chat damn it. 5:57 XD
People have to understand 1. Toriguri has a lot of joker MU experience. He plays Goriokas joker a lot at Japanese tournaments and Gorioka is very good 2. Leo doesn’t have much Banjo experience due to the lack of good banjo mains in NA. 3. Toriguri is by far the best Banjo in the world. It’s like comparing Skyjay to the rest of the incineroar players. That’s how much better he is than the rest of the banjos Edit: TG is likely now the best “mid tier main” in ultimate
@@saxonthedan "I don't have any argument, you'll just have to trust me on this one." You're just mad that your favorite player got outplayed by a Banjo, it's ok bro. No need to make up lies
@@armakeen3576tbh the MU is better for Banjo than most people think. I was heavily rooting for TG myself but my point was how people were making comments like “Oh Leo got shit on by a Banjo.” I just hate to see these types of comments because people don’t see to understand this isn’t your random elite smash banjo. I’m not saying why Leo lost, I’m saying why TG won.
As someone that finds themselves comparing this character to Bowser Jr as an inferior version at that I'll be happily proven wrong about my thoughts on this character
@@Ericspil790 he's always been a solid asf character; his major issue is that his normals just don't really connect well with eachother and people concluded that that meant he had no sauce. thank god we finally have a player that might start proving that wrong.
It was clear that MkLeo didn't know the matchup, and all things considered, the games could have gone a lot worse for him. I'd heard Leo got destroyed in this set, but this looks more like an "I wasn't ready, I'll get him next time".
@@cullenhutchison6528Bro, stop sensationalizing. At least Riddles was able to take a game and even bring him to last stock situations💀 idk in what world Riddles got “destroyed” compared to what this man did to MKleo. Open your eyes and stop being such a fanboy😂
@@saxonthedan I like hearing her commentate in general, but Banjo being bottom 5 is just what on earth? I do think Banjo isn't quite as strong as Toriguri made him look in this tournament because there was no way for anyone outside of japan to prepare for him. But he's a mid tier character even if we are being highly pessimistic. He has way too much crazy stuff to be a low tier. It's just no one plays him apart from TG and he's a character like Peach or Diddy who requires tech to function as a character. If his recovery covered a bit more distance so that he could go high and didn't have to use wonderwing to get back to stage safely vs good opponents a lot of the time, if his damage output wasn't so low (why does breegull blaster do so little damage?) and if his utilt could hit grounded opponents (even if just with a weak hit) then he could be a legit top tier threat as far as I can tell. Bottom 5? Come o. Like come on...
@@axelnilsson2031 I’ve been a banjo main pretty much since he was released, obviously Toriguri is the best but even he isn’t perfect. Banjo has a lot of losing matchups and a horrid disadvantage state that blind people from appreciating his many strengths.
They said banjo is bottom 5 when he's quite obviously top 2. Unironically. They use down b and they win neutral for free. Not salty he wok at all. Just confused as to why people still think he's anything worse than top 5.
1. Every single top player can receive an upset from any player - they're not inmune to that. 2. Leo got matchup checked because of the lack of Banjo players in NA. On the other hand, Toriguri has played a lot versus Gorioka (Joker main from Japan) and has experience in the matchup because of this. With time and practice, MKLeo can and will learn how to fight Banjo.
@estebangamer636yt2 Leo got destroyed and outplayered. Nobody is Skyjay or Chunkykong or whoever else, when they get their upsets and it's not a "MU check" then. TG has taken out MuteAce, Yoshidora, Protobanham, Leo, Zomba, and the list goes on. TG is him
@@CB-nd4hn Yes, I recognize the merit that Toriguri has for his improvement and his performance, taking down a lot of top players with a character like Banjo such as Protobanham, MuteAce, MKLeo and so on. To be frank, I think that a lot of people underrate Banjo, and Toriguri is definitely proving what this character can do in top level. All I'm saying is that MKLeo doesn't have much experience against Banjo due to the lack of Banjo players in NA. That's why he got matchup checked.
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Toriguri just woke up one day and said: "Fuck it. I'll make Banjoo & Kazooie hype." And he actually did it. Man's got my respect.
Toriguri beat him so hard they needed to make two vods for the set
😂😂😂
Lmfao 😆
this was amazing Banjo gameplay! Just reviewed/analyzed the set, really cool to see a character we never see offline at top level
Shameless m2k plug
Just like Joker himself, Banjo’s hurtbox shifting boosts him up to A tier
MKLeo forgot Banjo was in this game. Banjo has been training in the hyperbolic time chamber and Leo wasn't ready
Don't blame Leo. There was literally no way for Leo to practice the matchup thanks to Nintendo using netcode that only works in japan. This really does give japanese players a huge advantage over their western counterparts. They can get the matchup experience they need.
People need to complain louder about this. It's scummy behavior and far too many japanese developers do it. Elden Ring has the same problem for instance.
遅延の問題では？
@@axelnilsson2031 the hell are you talking about
@@alb7466 What? Are you not aware of this? This was the case with brawl whose online mode was basically unplayably laggy outside of japan.
With Sm4sh it was the same thing again. Horrible lag even if you matchup with someone relatively close to you geographically. If you were in the UK trying to fight someone from Germany there would be heavy fucking lag.
With every title its improved somewhat, but the netcode is still fucking trash in Ultimate. And it always works way better in Japan than anywhere else because the netcode has been created with the japanese internet infrastructure in mind.
Thus the Japanese have a very active competitive online bracket where their players can practice against each other and learn matchups.
The rest of the world doesn't have an online bracket like that because the rest of the world has to put up with so much lag that practicing online doesn't work since the game plays different when there's a big delay on everything. It makes everything less reactable and forces you to act preemptively. There's a huge gap between online and offline smash. Unless you live in Japan, where the gap is way smaller.
This absolutely positively provides Japanese players with an unfair advantage. They can learn matchups at a top level online. The rest of the world cannot.
How can you not know this?
Toriguri is amazing, I love his Banjo. But what was MkLeo supposed to do? There was no way for him to not get matchup checked. And that very much has something to do with the poor netcode. If there was a global online bracket where people could hone their skills people getting ran over because they are up against a character they have no way of knowing how to play against would happen less. This issue is especially poignant because ultimate has such a huge pool of highly unique characters.
@@axelnilsson2031 why would i know any of this
This is why I love this game. Player's dedication elevates character in a way that we haven't seen before.
Man, me too. Everyone can be good here.
> Leo being viciously mauled by a bear
Am I watching Smash or The Revenant?
It's Leo vs Kuma
Nah, you watching Cocaine Bear lmao
It is so ironic that banjo, One of most requested character in west, yet he mostly neglected by the west, is now beating most strongest western player by Japanese person.
They got neglected by their fans and only then, someone helped them get revenge in a non-toxic way back at their old fans
A match that will haunt MKLeo forever.
Looking at all the people trying to defend his lack of matchup knowledge. It’s been 5 years since Banjo was released. Y’all need to cope with Leo falling off.
I'm coping my f#cking life to this forever. I'm also a Banjo main
MKLeoがこんな負け方するなんて...トリグリさん強すぎる...
なぜバンカズで勝てる？
ザクさんならなぁ…
Seeing banjo do so well brings a tear to my eye. This is amazing.
Leo underestimated him. And most people underestimate Banjo... And Toriguri escaping all those killconfirms. Lessgoo Japan!
I wanted to see this with Twitch chat damn it.
5:57 XD
Brutal annihilation
TG = the goat
Good one
Best part 5:51 "everytime they come back with wonder-wHHAATTTTT"
People have to understand
1. Toriguri has a lot of joker MU experience. He plays Goriokas joker a lot at Japanese tournaments and Gorioka is very good
2. Leo doesn’t have much Banjo experience due to the lack of good banjo mains in NA.
3. Toriguri is by far the best Banjo in the world. It’s like comparing Skyjay to the rest of the incineroar players. That’s how much better he is than the rest of the banjos
Edit: TG is likely now the best “mid tier main” in ultimate
4. Banjo is basically 50-50 to joker, surprisingly. At the very least 48-52. This matchup is a lot more manageable for Banjo than many would expect.
@@saxonthedan "I don't have any argument, you'll just have to trust me on this one."
You're just mad that your favorite player got outplayed by a Banjo, it's ok bro. No need to make up lies
@@armakeen3576 I am literally a banjo main, I was cheering for TG. He’s incredible and far better than I could ever hope to be. Why am I mad?
@@armakeen3576tbh the MU is better for Banjo than most people think. I was heavily rooting for TG myself but my point was how people were making comments like “Oh Leo got shit on by a Banjo.” I just hate to see these types of comments because people don’t see to understand this isn’t your random elite smash banjo. I’m not saying why Leo lost, I’m saying why TG won.
TG is basically the aMSa of banjo, huge respect.
Brooo this was so hype!!! I'm smiling like an idiot
I thought TG was done when i saw him struggling vs Lemmon earlier, but i guess he just had the download once he fought Leo
As someone that finds themselves comparing this character to Bowser Jr as an inferior version at that
I'll be happily proven wrong about my thoughts on this character
@TreyMM-qz4wg he is now
Leo’s fans be like #banjoIsBroken #banBanjo 😆 congrats to the goat “TG”
banjo is cooking
This has to be the biggest upset of 2024
Upset? Mkleo ya tiene meses que no gana nada.
Solo puede contra jugadores mexicanos y Dabuz.
how is this worse than leo's loss to titan lol
"Unplug ya controller dawg!"
Someone check on EE lmaooooo
He coping hard I'm sure. "LOOK YA JIMS LEO IS STILL MY GOAT! 😂😂
@@The_Breaded92 😂 jokes aside, Leo lost to two Japanese players which is insane .
@Jovitojr14 I saw lol. Was in EEs twitch watching live. My nigga had a mental breakdown 😂
I must see @@The_Breaded92
Toriguri is a legend for validating my main in Smash
Bottom five!!!! She’s tripping 🤣
I hope that in the future, Banjo gets put up a few spots in the tier list
LOL.... "This ain't looking like bottom 5 TO ME"
3:24
銃口(鳥)向けながら殺意むき出しで迫ってくるの怖すぎるww
This was just Doom gameplay coming from Toriguri - the matchup check into loss to Ron combo was really unexpected for Leo.
Amazing commentators
*awful
I was so happy to see Banjo win after Nurse talk all that shit about Banjo been bottom 5
Same
funny how the commentators slowly but surely get converted by banjo
My man getting washed by damn Banjo
Year of Banjo, baby.
Honestly, banjo wasn’t that bad all this time he just lacks of top reps
@@Ericspil790 he's always been a solid asf character; his major issue is that his normals just don't really connect well with eachother and people concluded that that meant he had no sauce. thank god we finally have a player that might start proving that wrong.
It was clear that MkLeo didn't know the matchup, and all things considered, the games could have gone a lot worse for him. I'd heard Leo got destroyed in this set, but this looks more like an "I wasn't ready, I'll get him next time".
No he deadass got destroyed
@@AviorGloria What "getting destroyed" looks like to me is Riddles vs Doramigi.
Didn’t Leo say “all Banjo players are campier than Sonic players” a week before this?
@@cullenhutchison6528Bro, stop sensationalizing. At least Riddles was able to take a game and even bring him to last stock situations💀
idk in what world Riddles got “destroyed” compared to what this man did to MKleo. Open your eyes and stop being such a fanboy😂
I like how we are seeing lesser seen Japanese rep come out and pop off this tournament. Hopefully, one of the Japanese players takes the tournament.
Cant believe what I just saw
MKLeo needed to take out Byleth 🤌
I heard he's trying to focus with Joker again like when he was having that untouchable run
4:21 that super-wing set up is so clever.
Banjo bottom 5. Riiiiight. Sometimes you should keep your opinions to yourself. Thats an incredibly stupid opinion.
And she keeps doubling down… why so salty?
@@saxonthedan I like hearing her commentate in general, but Banjo being bottom 5 is just what on earth?
I do think Banjo isn't quite as strong as Toriguri made him look in this tournament because there was no way for anyone outside of japan to prepare for him.
But he's a mid tier character even if we are being highly pessimistic. He has way too much crazy stuff to be a low tier. It's just no one plays him apart from TG and he's a character like Peach or Diddy who requires tech to function as a character.
If his recovery covered a bit more distance so that he could go high and didn't have to use wonderwing to get back to stage safely vs good opponents a lot of the time, if his damage output wasn't so low (why does breegull blaster do so little damage?) and if his utilt could hit grounded opponents (even if just with a weak hit) then he could be a legit top tier threat as far as I can tell.
Bottom 5? Come o.
Like come on...
@@axelnilsson2031 I’ve been a banjo main pretty much since he was released, obviously Toriguri is the best but even he isn’t perfect. Banjo has a lot of losing matchups and a horrid disadvantage state that blind people from appreciating his many strengths.
@@axelnilsson2031Nurse and Rod were saying that they disagreed with Leo saying Banjo was Bottom 5.
@@GlitchanBlack Oh ok I see, my bad then!
トリグリ凄いけどLeoがこんなあっさり3-0されるのは見てて悲しい
もうジョーカーで勝つのは不可能なのか
つい一か月前くらいにジョーカーでking con優勝してるのに何言ってんだ
対策できてないだけな気がする
正直な話ゴリオカ君が勝ってるのとジョーカー有利カードなのでLeoが悪いだけです。
Leoが自信持ってやればとりあえず1戦目と2戦目は負けてないです。ミス多すぎた
普通に考えてバンジョーよりジョーカーのほうが強いのになにいってんだ……
My Boii BANJOOOOO🎉🎉🎉🎉
The best of da banjoos!
Leoが3戦目ベク変してないのなんか悲しいw
世界よ、震えろ、これが日本の最終兵器TGバンカズだ🪶
共感性羞恥なるって
恥ずかしい😅
@@ロックマジシャン666 共感性羞恥の意味間違ってるけどね
Mkleo getting Onin flashbacks
I dont remember the last time i saw banjo game play.
TGさんが海外勢に見つかってしまったか😂
トリグリが上手すぎた
5:52 What the fuck was Touriguri smoking before this set
ok ok but where did he get that banjo plush
Fangamer
I know people sleep on banjo but bottom 5 char is insane, what are we doing here 1:00
Yeah, I don't know how someone could actually think that.
al chile que bueno
(main banjo desde la beta
)
This ain’t your grandmas banjo 😂
1397 Nigel Harbors
2387 Houston Crossing
Everett Extension
Mkleo got scrambled
Marley Cliffs
Banjo is basically the Goofy of Smash Bros, ain't no way
Travis Mountains
Goodwin Heights
0126 Kreiger Hill
Muller Rapids
0177 Leannon Trail
O'Reilly Passage
They said banjo is bottom 5 when he's quite obviously top 2. Unironically. They use down b and they win neutral for free. Not salty he wok at all. Just confused as to why people still think he's anything worse than top 5.
"top 2" 😂 man you gotta put more effort into your baits
More like a top 40 or 30
Estefania Extension
22706 Ernser Underpass
Tiara Mill
Gwendolyn Cove
Mayer Summit
Kameron Dam
VonRueden Shores
Danny Extension
7913 Will Square
Vernice Heights
Hermiston Mission
Vito Lights
Josie Forks
Peyton Branch
Elaina Fields
Heaney Circles
60735 Schoen Tunnel
Junius Ways
Frida Knolls
Jaskolski Hollow
Delphia Points
Harris Ways
Jacobs Knoll
Edward Ranch
Nathanial Ville
Lizzie Pike
Gleichner Viaduct
Leo fans(myself included)
🤦♂️🤦🤦♂️🤦🤦♂️🤦
1. Every single top player can receive an upset from any player - they're not inmune to that.
2. Leo got matchup checked because of the lack of Banjo players in NA. On the other hand, Toriguri has played a lot versus Gorioka (Joker main from Japan) and has experience in the matchup because of this.
With time and practice, MKLeo can and will learn how to fight Banjo.
@estebangamer636yt2 Leo got destroyed and outplayered. Nobody is Skyjay or Chunkykong or whoever else, when they get their upsets and it's not a "MU check" then. TG has taken out MuteAce, Yoshidora, Protobanham, Leo, Zomba, and the list goes on. TG is him
@@CB-nd4hn Yes, I recognize the merit that Toriguri has for his improvement and his performance, taking down a lot of top players with a character like Banjo such as Protobanham, MuteAce, MKLeo and so on. To be frank, I think that a lot of people underrate Banjo, and Toriguri is definitely proving what this character can do in top level.
All I'm saying is that MKLeo doesn't have much experience against Banjo due to the lack of Banjo players in NA. That's why he got matchup checked.
@@estebangamer636yt2 Does he still get match up checked with Mario?
@@CB-nd4hnWell, Ron match-up checked Leo with FUCKING YOSHI.
6062 Daisy Hill
Friesen Knolls
Jamie Valleys
Bosco Street
Herman Vista
Felipa Stravenue
Gwen Freeway