KTM 790 Adventure - Seat Concepts Low Comfort Seat - Short Rider
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- This video is about my KTM 790 Adventure and the Seat Concepts Low Comfort Seat as I'm a short rider. It shows the difference between the stock seat and the low seat and how much more, of my foot I can get down.
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This is just the video I need. I am 5'2. I feel not so confident in bigger bikes but looking at you do it makes me feel I can do it too!
Great Video, really loved this video!!!! I'm 168cm (5' 5'' - 5' 6'' ) And thinking to buy the new KTM 790 adv. watching your video I feel that maybe I'm not the shortest one! :D
Thanks Mate :) It's all about technique and balance us short rides just have to plan which foot goes down at stops.
It is a physical figure. It is regrettable to put the rear accessory case quickly, but I think that the footing that can be obtained with this seat is wonderful in order to prevent falling on the forest road. Thank you very much.
Not sure what you mean here. The new seat doesn’t have the little case in the pillion seat like the stock on does.
I took my first ride today on my Seat Concepts low seat on my 790R. I must say it's a much nicer seat than the stock. I really didn't have an issue with the stock seat though, just needed it a tad lower.
I have heard that the S stock seat is harder than the R and therefore maybe less comfortable
Hey Joel. Did it feel noticeably lower or just a tad on the R? How tall are you? I’m trying to see if at 5’ 6” I can make the R work with toes on the ground with the seat concept seat.
You definitely need to set the SAG on your bike and you will probably see that you can’t set it properly because the rear spring is too hard. Changing it for a lighter one professionally would most likely benefit you in term of road characteristic and bike height when on it.
Yes, I will. I have found a KTM dealer with WP technicians so I will have them set it up for me.
Yeah,. the suspension is design to work with the sag in mind, because if you have no sag then any dip in the road becomes something your entire bike goes into instead of being absorbed by your suspension.
Trick. Shorter rear spring. Also, I find, turning toes out as much as poss helps with feeling stronger as sideways wobble is taken up by the length of the foot. I also thoroughly recommend Lindstrands (champ?) boots that are laced and Velcro. They are seriously good at gripping the surface and definitely have a thicker sole so reach is more solid and easier. They are about £100 and they have made a huge difference for me on my 1290 Adv
I didn’t want to lower the bike as i’d lose ground clearance. I have since changed the suspension so it’s sprung for my weight that means the sag is now correct and therefore does lower a little when I sit on it. Boots wise I now have Tech 7’s. Not sure I understand your toes comment. I keep the balls of my feet on the pegs and toes in to the bike so they don’t get caught up by rocks or bushes
@@Adv_Charlie hy, could say me wich brand are yours hand guards? I have a orange 790 but i think that in white color is veeery nicest
@@Kaysersoza they are the KTM powerparts ones which are the same as Barkbusters
Thanks for yours
Nice explanation for short riders. Easy to ride bike with 95ps
Gracias por compartir! Thanks for sharing!
Helllo Charlie
I suggest you install lowering links as well if available for your bike . I am 5.4 with 30 inch inseam and weigh around 62KG . I ride a Triumph Tiger 800 XR and have installed lowering links . Bike rides like a charm and my confidence level has increased too :) Good luck , Stay safe …..
I have two issues with that. 1) it lowers the ground clearance which is not what you want to do when riding off road. 2) if you lower the rear you must lower the front so the geometry of the bike is correct. I'm currently happy with the height of my bike however the suspension is not going to work best for me with it’s stock spring rates and setup.
The KTM doesn't use linkages, so lowering links are not an option.
Useful video Charlie. I've had my Adventure for about two years - originally I bought the R but found that too tall even for me (I'm 6' and 69 years old), so I immediately changed it for the Standard 790 Adventure. Actually, seat height is OK for me but the standard seat design is horrible - as you can see from your still shot of the two seats side by side, the standard seat has very sharp edges to left and right. That means that for anyone trying to put their feet down, regardless of height, that edge digs right into the inner thighs and within an hour, it's really hurting and making my foot numb (I acknowledge this may be a function of being old). That edge also drives your feet more outboard from the bike centre line, and more outboard also means higher - for sure, this is another reason you struggle to get your feet down. By contrast, your new Comfort seat is much more rounded on the sides . . . way better ergonomically. The KTM seat is a triumph of styling over ergonomy! Strange that few reviews pointed this out!
That’s very true and interesting never really thought about the sharp edges
@@Adv_Charlie Yesterday, I had a test ride on a Ducati Multistrada V4, which is a really brilliant bike and super comfortable. Afterwards, I got on the KTM and it felt much lighter (it is of course!) and more lithe, especially;y at slow around town speeds. I wondered why I was on the point of spending all that money on a new bike, when all I need is a better seat! That's when I came across your video about the Seat Concepts all in one seat - trouble is, where to get one? I see you imported yours, but isn't that going to be hugely expensive? Do you mind telling me what it cost by the time you had paid the duty?
I think i got stung by about £100 so for me the seat was very costly however 7,000 miles later i’m still very happy with it. I would see if you can find an importer/ dealer / stockist what ever they call it and buy it from them
Definitely agree about the sharp edges on the seat but why don’t ktm recognise this problem for shorter people I’m definitely looking at getting the concept seat
Great video.
I suppose many people have a tendency to get both feet on ground for the assurance of more control over all kinds of surfaces.
agreed but with practice and confidence one foot down is all you need. The important thing is that you're on a bike and you enjoy riding.
@@Adv_Charlie Indeed! I'm waiting for the MY2020 #KTM #790 #ADVENTURE India Launch.
Hopefully it's launched by the year end.
You will love the bike is amazing. It's quick too
@@Adv_Charlie Cheers mate!
Hi Charlie, we share the same height issues and I came to the conclusion that “fuck it” no matter how tall the bike is (to a certain extent obviously) I’ll ride it anyway 😁
Yeah it’s just harder to get a foot down off road when the bike tips you can’t save it
@@Adv_Charlie the worst scenario to me is town traffic; other than that no issue at all. Don’t ride off road though
I agree road riding i can get away with a taller bike. But when i drop it off road it’s mostly because I can’t touch the floor. So only option for me is to become better off road ✊🏻😁
@@Adv_Charlie Do you know Gaston Rahier? Take a look at how he used to ride super tall bikes during the Paris-Dakar 😁
The problem ist that you can't make a seat too low. At the one side you loose comfort, at the other hand it's also the seat width that determines how well you get you feet down. Since the width of the bike is given and can't be made slimmer, there is a limit for when a lower seat will give you a better ground contact. If you make it too flat it might even give you a relatively sharp edge on the sides, that presses into the leg muscles - so not really comfortable in the long run.
Being 1.71m with a 30'' inseam I have the same problem as you. I am using currently the S seat on my R in the lower position and can manage the bike quite well, even with just one foot flat down. Pushing the bike forward or backward is of course almost impossible, I need to get off for that, but what's the problem with that?
I found the stock S seat the most uncomfortable seat I have ever had. The Seat Concepts is a massive improvement for comfort, I can and have ridden full 400 mile days in the seat no issues. As I showed in the video I can get one foot down much better with the lower seat, I completely understand about having a seat so low that it then becomes too wide. One of the reasons I can't really ride Harley's even with the very low seat heights is that the seats are so wide I can't touch the floor. Not that I would want a Harley but it's a good example. Like you I also get off the bike to push it backwards.
Cual seria el precio?
Thank you for this!
it is very helpful I am the same height as you and I want to see how much big and tall off Ktm 790 I am planning to buy it soon, but it's not available in Thailand yet if you can review with gs850 that would be great, now I ride Klx 250 standard. Thank you
can you share a link for the low seat?
I don't have a link. Would also depend on which country you live in as I might be better to find a local dealer.
If you are in the UK i’d use Wrench Ride and have a chat with Olly.
@Charlie Cottle How tall are you? I'm around 5'7 and im interested in purchasing a ktm 790 Adv. Many thanks!
I think i have my height and weight in this video. But i’m 5’3
Fantastic motorcycle seat congratulations. It seems very comfortable. Where did you get it, mate? Greetings from Spain
I ordered it from Seat Concepts them selfs and then imported it. UK customs was a little harsh which made the the total cost quite expensive. But the seat is amazing so i don’t mind
Thanks for the video. It would be helpful if you stated your inseam and simply measured the height from the ground to the low part of each seat without any load. I have the 790R and a 29" inseam and have dropped the bike in the dirt 5 or 6 times trying to get off in lumpy terrain. It sucks! Cheers
My inseam is 29” too. i’m happy with the S but I would like to adjust the suspension
@@Adv_Charlie Just re-watched the video and saw the inseam listing. Enjoy the bike! cheers
Hi Charlie. I saw with satisfaction the video you made.
Can you tell me how much the replacement low chair cost and where you bought it?
Thanks in advance Jonathan
The company that make the sear is called Seat Concepts they’re a US company. I you are from the UK then i’d say have a chat to Ollie from Wench Ride. He’s the UK importer.
The cost may depends of where you by it from and which country you are in. I brought it directly from seat concepts but then got hit with large import taxes so finding a local importer will be your best bet. What i paid for it including taxes is irrelevant now as it was 3 years ago and the prices might have changed
Thanks for the answer, Charlie. As for your question, I am Israeli.
I understood the general idea that taxes really make the product more expensive, so maybe I'll ask a friend who comes to the US to buy it for me.
thank you for the quick reply.
Have you took the preload off the shock?
I have since replaced the suspension front and rear. It's now sprung for my weight
Where did you buy?
From Seat Concepts but I got hit with import charges so you might be better off finding a local importer/dealer near you
Hola Charlie, estoy en Bolivia y por estatura tengo problemas con mi KTM 790R, como hiciste para conseguir esa montura que facilita un tanto alcanzar el suelo?
Hi, I had to use google translate to English so I hope I've understood your question properly. Firstly my 790 is not the R it's the Standard model which makes it 40mm lower than the R even in the showroom. As you can see from this video the new seat is lower which makes it a little easier to get to the floor. I have just brought new suspension but in my case that's not to lower the bike but to re-spring it to my weight and make it full adjustable. You can buy lowering springs for both the 790 S and the R. The cost all depends on what option you go for. you could get the stock seat custom shaped of buy a brand new after market one. My seat was about £300 I think including import taxes. For suspension new springs are a far cheaper than a full upgrade, so prices range from a few hundred to a few Thousand.
oooh thaank you soo much i am same higt like you and i go to buy same machine
It’s amazing I did 292km today all in an afternoon. Love the bike, love the seat. Get one you wont regret it!
If you set the static sag front and rear then this will mean the bike will drop lower when you sit on the bike - this will improve not only handling but also drop the bike slightly as it will involve reducing the preload front and rear
The 790 S has none adjustable suspension so unfortunately I can’t do this without going to a suspension company and having it set up and re sprung properly.
@@Adv_Charlie I think you can adjust preload and rebound on the rear and preload on the front only - you adjust the preload when carrying a pillion so you will be able to set static sag at least
Nope you can only just preload. In the rear and that’s the only adjustment you have
@@Adv_Charlie sorry yes was looking at 890 Adventure - out of interest how many clicks did you set the rear preload at?
@@robgreaves2633 it’s like 1 off the bottom
Were did you get the seat from ? from the UK ? was it a complete new seat ?
Yes it was a new complete seat. I ordered from seat concepts and paid the customs fees. Maybe there is a UK dealer but I was unaware at the time.
@@Adv_Charlie That's what I feared, getting one from The States and all the costs makes it crazy expensive, better looking at a local custom seat builder, thanks anyhow for your reply ;-)
Thanks Charlie!! I'm 5'4" and I understand. Would you say the KTM 790 Adventure is the best midsized adventure bike for short guys?
It's definitely a good option i’m not sure what else is out there with a similar seat height now though.
great! now I know the solution.
Hello mate ... regarding the confort have you noticed any differences compared with the stock seat ? Cheers
Yes instantly! The stock seat I found very hard and uncomfortable.
@@Adv_Charlie nice...so it's win win
Yes. You could also just get your stock seat reshaped. I’ve just had the back of this seat reshaped as i never take a pillion and wanted a better shape for off road. In hindsight it would have been cheaper to just reshape the stock seat. However the SC seat is very good and i’ve not touched the section that i seat on as the rider.
Looking at the 890 ADV R and had the same problem being 5'6 with a 30 inch inseam. How do you get the kickstand up/down?
With the tip of my toe 😂 sometimes if the camber of the road or trail is not in my favour, i’ll just get off and then kick it down or the reverse for setting off
Hi I’m 170 cm do you think i will be okay with the 790 adventure s ? Thank you so much
Yes, You should be.
Riding bikes and being short is all about technic, where to stop? Which foot to put down? We do have to think about an few more things than the people that can just plonk both feet down. The biggest thing to master is getting completely comfortable only ever putting one foot down. Slide over on the seat leave your other foot on the peg, if you can. I got the lower seat just to make it a little more comfortable, A) for my bum. B) I have to slide over the seat less to touch the floor.
I’m confused the web site states it’s the same height as s model in low position
The seat pad it’s self is 1” lower, so if you put them on the bike in the low position the Seat Concepts seat is still 1” lower than the stock one. Even in the low position
My bike is the S Model
Thanks for this! Question.
Have you any lowering on the suspension or stock springs?
All the suspension is stock. I don’t want to lower it as i’ll lose ground clearance. However i would like to get my suspension setup for my weight.
Good morning from Colombia, what is your height? I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle but I'm only 160 mm tall, thanks
I’m 162cm
Is the seat fit both 790 adv r and 790 adv？and how many mm lower？thx
Yes the seat will fit both R and S models. In fact all seats for the 790 Adv will fit R & S. The new seat is 25mm (1”) lower than stock. It also has thiner front where you put your legs down but a wider back where you sit. They have also built up the very front to stop you “rolling forward in the seat”. I find it an improvement all round. And i’m far more confident at stops with a bit more foot on the floor
Hey Charlie ya bastard! Nice upgrade! How're you finding the KTM compared to your old GS650? Hope you're all good.
kdlockyer lol I love it, i’ve doubled my horsepower and got a better weighted bike. Happy to be with team orange been jealous of you guys for years. Hehe
@@Adv_Charlie I'm a bit jelly. Would love to see how it rides compared to Brunhilda.
I just got my seat in for my 790. Does the fabric of the seat not touch the seat? I can press mine down but when I take my hand off it pops back up again
Yes i know what you mean, at the back so it rises up for the pillion seat. Yes mine is like 1” at least of the foam. I don’t think it will cause any issues though.
Charlie Cottle ok cool. I just wanted to make sure I didn’t get a defect or whatever. Thank you very much.
Hi Charlie: good vid. Do you know if the seat is compatible with the R? Thanks Simon
I would say yes. They should be as the seats between the R and S are mounted the same. Even the stock seats are swappable between both versions.
@@Adv_Charlie Thanks. I'll probably carry on falling off my gs round the kent and surrey lanes...it's only 15kg heavier...
Nicely done, thanks. I'm definitely going to look into buying one of those seats.
Now, where did you get adventure pants that fit correctly? Any pants I buy are always at least 5 or 6 centimeters too long!
My kit is Spidi the pants are size small and the Jacket is medium. But only because they didn’t have a small when i was buying it and to order one it was 3-4 months as I was in New Zealand at the time. I’m defiantly going to look at Spidi gear again when i need new kit because the fit is so good.
75 miles isn't much of a test I'd need at least 2 tankfulls ie a good days hard riding. Still like the idea.
I know it's been months and i'm sorry. I ordered the new seat before I picked up the bike from the dealer. I was a Height thing more than a comfort thing.
Nice review. Have you adjusted preload. I found it helped too for lighter rider, without affecting handling, kind of a suck it and see thing. 👍
No I haven’t yet i’m still below the first service so still feeling what the bikes like before i adjust anything (need a baseline). I may have the suspension setup for my weight by WP but i’m not in a rush as the moment
@@Adv_Charlie I've had mine a year. I dropped 2 notches and I feel a little lower with no noticeable handling issues. Easy to do, tools are under the seat, easy to put back. Wrap a rag around the C-Spanner extension if you try it, so you do not scratch the frame. There is no other adjustment. 👍
The bike has static sag , can see that in the vid. But pretty much no rider sag. I would say you are well oversprung. Drop some preload now. Do a sag measure up so you have a baseline to work from.
Rob Defire i think im going to have WP set up the forks and shock for my weight. Just need a little more savings. I might take your advice and drop some preload though
@@Adv_Charlie I would mate. Get somebody to help you measure sag when you are on it. Plenty of vids online how to. Not sure if they have fork preload adjustments. If you were still at Techmoto I would pop over and do it for you. LOL
Rob Defire lol that you for the offer. No i don’t have any adjustment on the forks and only preload on the shock. Just need to wait out this covid lockdown and then i can sort things out
Adjusting your preload is free and the tool is in your tool kit. Very easy to do yourself.
krispyk krispyk i know and i have changed it now. But i think i’ll need to swap spring to be honest.
@CharlieCottle- Nice Video :) Btw where to buy this Seat Concepts Low Comfort Seat?
Thank you. I brought mine from the Seat Concepts website. Might be worth checking to see if you have a local Importer
can I know how tall u r ?
I thought i put that in the video? I’m 162cm (5’3”)
why don't you buy this years model ?
Because i’m not made of money and i’ve spent so much on my bike I won't swap it.
@@Adv_Charlie You take 3 months to reply to posts too.
@@bollox1235 probably because I work full time and TH-cam a little hobby I don't check it all the time.
Who makes the jacket you are wearing?
My kit is Spidi and the model is Marthron It’s lead up very well over the last 5 years and 3 of them i was wearing it every day too.
Hi Charlie, great video. Can i ask, is the seat the same height as the KTM additional purchase low option seat? I think that comes up 1" lower than the stock seat.
The SC seat is 1” lower i’m unsure about the KTM one if it’s 1” too then i’d guess it’s the same hight however then it’s a question of comfort. I found the stock seat quite hard and uncomfortable the SC seat is far more comfortable then the stock 790S seat, for my bum anyway. 😀
@@Adv_Charlie thanks very much. I assume it’s the R seat as they don’t do an S but it fits the same?
No I do mean the S model as in the non R. Or though KTM call it the "790 Adventure" the "standard" version has "790 Adventure S" on the VIN sticker. Also the stock 790 "S" seat is a two piece where as the 790R seat is a single seat. The Seat Concepts Low Comfort seat is also a single seat as you can see in my video. Hope that clarifies things a little.
Hi Charlie, sorry last question! Do you know how much customs charge you paid on top of the delivery costs?
I think it was about £100 which hurts a little but compared to the stock seat i’m still very happy with my purchase 1 year on. Even if I haven’t had as much seat time as i’d like thanks to covid restrictions only 5,800 miles in a year 😭
I wanted to buy a seat from this company also but I really didn’t understand all of the options. Can u explain them to me if you know what they are. Options are as follows
1. Foam & cover kit
2. Foam & cover kit+ OEM rear cover
3. Front and rear comfort kits.
I really don’t know what option to pick
Edit: and also can you still put the seat in the taller position with the new seat. I’m 6’2”
My seat came as a completely new seat so it was a straight swap. The only options I chose was the low slip top and orange stitching.
I think the low seat only goes in the low position because if you could put in the high position it would rather defeat the purpose of a low seat.
However i’m sure the other SC options like the standard comfort seat would work in both.
This is my first and only seat concepts seat I own so I can really only tell you about this one, I have no experience of the others in their range.
Charlie Cottle ok cool. Thanks for the reply. I been trying to get my kTM 790 more “touring” friendly. Only off road I do is light dirt/gravel trails nothing major.
What other add-one/upgrades have to done to your bike?
I have Doubletake Mirrors, Ram mount X-grip (phone holder), Camel ADV neck brace, and one finger clutch and Black Dog Cycle Works skid plate. oh, I also have a front axle puller. I have a few things on my list still to do windscreen is one and maybe the high fender from the R.
Charlie Cottle nice!! I have OEM top case, about to order the seat in your video(standard version I’m 6’1”) I want the giant loop tank bag and I’m looking into windshield options. I want a bigger one. That neck brace you have is that mainly for off road riders or would I need it too doing 98% street riding.
Charlie I’m installing lowering kit for ktm 790 adventure, do I need to lower the kickstand as well ? (- 30 mm)
I haven't lowered my bike, I've only changed the seat but you may need to yes! as the bike will want to stand far to upright. Does your "kit" mention or include anything about the side stand?
@@Adv_Charlie no nothing , I couldn’t find this subject on the internet as well, I dropped email to Touratech to find out ..
on the touratech website for the lowering springs it does say "Info: side stand and center stand can be used without further changes." So I guess you will be perfectly fine with our stock one
@@Adv_Charlie I didn’t notice this comment , could you share your instagram account if you have one . Thanks
instagram.com/adv_charlie
why don't stupid manufacturers do simple saddle lowering feature, they can add at least 5cm feature
To be fair a lot of bikes do have two positions for the seat even my old 2006 Suzuki bandit has it however, it’s just not low enough for me.
Can't you just refoam only the front seat to lower it?
You could do yes but i’ve never done that before plus I like the single seat and the look of the SC seat with the orange stitching.
Bro can you tell me approx how many inches has the seat height reduced? I'm 5'4 planning to buy Duke 200.
This SC seat is 1 inch (25mm) Lower
Me too 163cm
Did you change low suspension ??
No, the suspension is stock. I don’t want to lower the bike as I like having the ground clearance. However I am looking at getting it re sprung for my weight.
@@Adv_Charlie I don't think it makes sense to lower the already low suspension of the S model even more. Then better get a road bike, like the 790 / 890 Duke!
@@kai-uweoch1159 I haven't and won't lower the suspension of my S and duke would break with the trails that I ride my 790 through. :)
How is the General Comfort over stock ? I Have the R Model and was Wondering if Seat Concept was More Comfortable Than Stock....Born In Luton raised in California
I have heard that the stock S seat is worst than the stock R and i can only compare between the two i have. I do find the new seat concepets far more comfortable
@@Adv_Charlie thank you Kindly
Is it comfortable?
Yes or though I have now modified the seat no the main area I sit, is the same. I’m now on a round the world trip and doing 200+ miles a day on it
Per day?
Yeah
helo..where buy there low seat? ktm shop?
The new seat is form Sear Concepts I ordered it from their website. It is not a KTM product
@@Adv_Charlie ok
get a pair of daytona max sport or roadstar m boots
I'd rather get some proper dirt boots like tech 7's
@@Adv_Charlie roadstar boots have got a inside heel insert, lifts your foot up, have a look at motolegends, they do a good review on them, ive had mine 3 weeks, wish id had them years ago
They are road boots and just wont give me the protection i need i’m looking at MX / Enduro boots.
With my SC seat i’m close enough to the ground to ride. I just need to plan my foot placement
Lol the bike looks so big.
All mid size adventure bikes are big when your only small 😂
Great stupidity. Why both legs? One leg is enough! One leg = better and more stability!!!
Or though I have only ever used one leg. Some people like to be able to flat foot on both sides, for their own confidence. I included the both legs part to make a point that I can’t touch the floor, yet still own and ride this bike. It’s all about thinking of others and what makes them feel comfortable. As a short and light rider I have seen and spoken to lots of girls and small guys that will not ride some bikes unless they can get both feet down. This is a shame, so it’s good to show them that it’s only an issue in their head and they can ride the bike they want.
Well said Charlie!