Who defines that xD? The SNES was considered retro when the Cube was out, that was two generations in difference. So its save to say those systems over here can be considered retro as well :P
Anthelion Gaming thx also we have thankfully the kinda considerably high on the scale of how high end exactly ours is but its still a CRT but both its able to go up to 1080i notice its the Sony KV32-HV600 WEGA (pronounced "VAY-GAH" aka its V-AYE-GAH) *NOTICE:* to clarify the level of how far up on a scale for how advanced then its just the "HI-SCAN" category so full HD CRT Twp component video inputs four total composite or three of those can be S-Video either but also one "monitor out" composite output both audio/video for intended use of recording on VCR etc but also there is an option to use it with one "input/video7/seven" which is DVI or (Digital Video Interface)
But the highest I know of is the SOPNY "SUPER-FINE-PITCH" WOCH IS ALSO THE SAME AS HI-SCAN BUT HAS EVEN MORE HIGH END FEATURES PLUS the rare SFP PICTURE TUBE
=b yah, but he also used cheap examples. You can get 1ms input monitors. A cheap composite or component to hdmi adapter also adds latency of you only have hdmi input.
I heard that CRTs had very little lag compared to modern ones, but seeing it compared directly made the difference easily apparent. It’s crazy that we’re just now getting lag-free displays with modern TVs
You kinda mentioned it in the beginning, but one thing to keep in mind is that if you're using a CRT with component cables, you're going to be getting the best picture. Things like the sony trinitron around 03' had component (some even had multiple) and if you change the settings in things like the ps2 to output in 480, you're gonna see an incredible picture that I don't think you'll get when using an HDMI adapter. I can see the idea of a monitor being similar, but they were designed for that CRT, and if you're using component or S - Video, you'll see that enhanced beautifully.
the only reason i keep my crt tv is because watching vhs/video cd/480p or less input resolution (like very old youtube videos) in an hdtv/monitor is a pain. we still need crt tv for older contents and formats😉
What I really hate about non CRT TV's is the blurring whenever there is movement in a video game, and it's not just the non HD consoles, it also happens on my PS3 too, I've tried changing the settings on the consoles and on the TV's, I've tried non HD leads and HD leads, yet movement still looks blurry. New TV's just totally seem like a step backwards from CRT's, I wish CRT's were still being made.
Cool video! :) It's helpful for the most important when it comes to older consoles! Pixel and upscaling comparison. But for a better picture comparison, every monitor/TV should have their picture setting trying to visually match at least brightness, contrast, saturation, and sharpness. For exemple, your CRT TV is too washed out and the monitor is too saturated. Every TV are also with sharpness differences, that are visible on the letters for instance.
I love CRT for my retro gaming consoles but Xbox, Dreamcast, and Gamecube can look great on an HD tv with the right cable and if they are progressive scan. My PS2 is always on the CRT. I imagine ignorance is bliss for those who never grew up with CRT TV's mind
The jaggies are pretty visible on the Wii If you're using a HDTV, especially if you use composite. I haven't tried using it with component, but I have used the wii mode on a Wii U and I don't remember noticing the jaggies as much.
Yeah, HDMI lags, its why audio sync doesnt work sometimes when mixing surround systems, bluetooth systems and why playing halo on Xbox 360 had a distinct advantage on CRT.
This was very helpful! My big takeaway is that I don't need to bother getting a CRT tv for my retro game consoles. I've never been much of a screen-o-phile, so it seems highly unlikely that I would be able to notice a significant difference unless it was side-by-side with my normal tv.
Good ol' Wolverine's Revenge, I never got to complete it before returning it back to Blockbuster, but it was one hell of a game. Absolutely loved it. Thanks for the comparison mate.
Pause the video and use > (next frame) and < (previous frame) keyboard buttons to view frame by frame and see the how big the lag is on every LCD, even in "game mode", when compared to CRT. Additionally, keep in mind that this video is in 30fps, so 1 frame of lag we see here is 2 frames of lag in 60fps
I can see a delay in the beginning where you said they all look the same. Remember you are talking 200-300 milliseconds or .2 seconds. It's not much to the eye, but it can be a big difference in a game. It's there, have a closer look and pay attention to the slight delay that is literally a blink of the eye.
@@armeniancrusader301 I've waited long enough for him to tell you. Almost all of the consoles shown in this video have game libraries that are 99% 4:3 games. So if you hook any of them up to any of the screens he's shown, it's going to stretch and distort the picture. And an HDTV isn't going to increase the resolution of those 480i games.
@@F0CKSTR0T Yeah but it’s a hassle to buy and carry an old CRT into your room when you can just get an AV or Scart to HDMI adapter and just plug the old console wether it be a PS2 or a Wii or whatever else into the TV you already have and start gaming. And all modern TVs have a 4:3 mode where the picture becomes 4:3 so it isn’t that of a problem anymore besides the games still being pixelated on HD TVs. CRTs also take up a lot of space due to their size.
@HerobrineMC001 Smaller CRT TVs would be great in such a situation. 9" or 14" Consumer models can be really useful if you're looking for a CRT, whilst not worrying about space issues. Keep in mind, most models could actually be capable of ONLY mono audio.
Honestly, if you plugged any of those consoles to a sony trinitron FV or FS series (flat screen sdtv crt) via component it would blow all those displays out the window in every possible test. You would need to emulate to get a visually better, and or as good of a looking (static) picture in comparison to any of those consoles on a FV or FS trinitron.
I have a Trinitron Wega KV-24FS120, and I can confirm this is true. Even with just standard A/V (composite), they blow away the plasma and LCD I have tested. I have a PS2, Xbox (original), and a GameCube hooked up to it and it looks amazing. I bought the tv second hand and it only cost me US$15, so I’d say that’s $15 well spent.
Adrenaline PvP what sucks it that my Sony Trinitron CRT only supports 240p and 480i for some reason. So any PS2 or original Xbox games that play in 480p, 720p, or 1080i doesn't display a picture.
I wish I hadn't thrown away my JVC CRT TV, the sound was especially good. Another interesting option is to use a portable DVD player with the AV in cable. I used it for my PS1 and it was surprisingly good.
Thanks for doing that To really drive the point home, I've seen this with iPad promotion 120hz vs regular iPad screen, slow motion camera, you can really see the difference It's important with modern TVs now Thanks for doing this I have 3008wfp Dell ultra sharp, Still thinking of getting a tv, full HD 1080p But there are many factors I have a softmod ps2 with a hard drive So it's kinda something I'm looking into
#1. Get component cables. #2. Use a smaller 32" or less HDTV screen. It doesn't help to use a 55" HDTV. #3. Set the component source for 4:3 RATIO (not 16:9). Do not use widescreen or full screen as it will stretch out the picture. Even if the games support both 16:9 and 4:3, pick the 4:3 ratio as it will look better. The smaller the television and the smaller the display the better it will look. #4. The 480p compatible games look better. For PS2, hold x and triangle during load up screen and apply progressive scan (480p). Some people use component cables, never changed their game to progressive scan (480p) and are using standard definition display and later complain about the component cable's picture quality. Some games like Tekken 5 may display options in their menu and can put out higher 525p. There are many PS2 games that support 480p. PS2 games that support 480p will look better but there are many games that don't support 420p and look good like Def Jam: Fight For NY. Here is a list of PS2 Games with alternative display modes (480p). sonicwbii.fandom.co/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_alternative_display_modes
@@newlin83 given that people give crts away I'd like to argue against you. A good vga monitor still have amazing picture and I have yet to see a 1080p monitor rival my trinitron 200es in term of picture quality, which I got for free. I hooked up my ps4 to it and journey looked stunning.
Give me a day and I will have found a CRT. I made an ad saying that I was looking for one for free. Within a day I had 3 people sending me PMs. Did you even read my comment? I clearly stated "IN TERM OF PICTURE QUALITY". Plus CRTs can go way above 144hz. Mine is not that great in terms of refresh rate but it can still hit 110. There are CRTs that go way above 144 hz though. I still stand firm on my statement about picture quality. Even my brother who couldn't give a rats ass about CRTs find the picture to be amazing and 1080p monitors can not compete. I'd say part of the reason is the black levels of CRTs.
I know this is 4 years old but I'd also like to add it's great that used composite as despite it having the worst image quality cable wise it's what all these consoles came with and generally still do :) I'd also like to add with the Nintendo GameCube at least the UK model supports RGB scart :)
Love these in-depth videos! Did you knew there’s a modern Panasonic oled TV that has component and composite inputs for retro consoles? I compared the upscaler of the tv with retrotink 5x pro and it upscales just as good if not better visually wise! Tv has best PQ i seen and very good build in speakers (tuned by technics) tv is Panasonic HZ2000. Maybe you guys could checkout the HZ2000? It’s not known by many and convenient wise very easy to set up retro consoles.
I think you really have to be playing these older consoles via a SCART connection when running them on a CRT TV, which was the best connection for consumer CRT TVs that was available at the time as far as I'm aware, at least in the UK, and certainly the one I used wherever possible, or else you're not doing it right imo. And I also think you should just stick to playing on newer TVs via HDMI whenever possible since that's what they are built around, and not using that connection isn't doing the new display full justice either. If you play via SCART on the CRT TV and HDMI on the new HDTV, comparing the best version of each picture available to normal consumers on these consoles running on the different displays, so you can show them off in their best light and do them full justice, then it will be a truly fair and telling comparison imo. And, just to be clear, I think the CRT TV will utterly wipe the floor with the HDTVs in such as case (especially if you can get your hands on an HD capable CRT TV, because obviously it's kinda impossible to properly downscale a game made for really high resolutions to a screen that can't even run at that resolution and not lose a whole lot of detail). But, if you're running actual old consoles, like a NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, etc, through a CRT TV and SCART it will utterly destroy trying to upscale them and run them on whatever modern TV you choose, even if you use various conversion boxes and whatever other crap, which usually only make them output sharp but lose everything else that is needed to make them actually look right, and indeed run without any lag whatsoever. These guys have a great video for showing how good modern games can look when run through a proper CRT TV that's actually capable of supporting them properly: th-cam.com/video/V8BVTHxc4LM/w-d-xo.html
Good job buddy. 8:45 I notice that the yellow square that appears on the game map appears on the screen a few milliseconds before the rest of the screens.
Wii is not retro, it still has life left in it. My life in gaming is a good channel for this sort of stuff. Some of these consoles are meant more for LCDs than CRTs. Great video, though!
I got a CRT for 8 and 16 bit emulation and still use crt shader filters, because I can't play at native resolution. Thats somehow strange, using crt filter on a crt monitor. :D
I haven't even watched the entire video yet, and I can tell you that at 2:32 in this video, the crt tv has the least amount of lag, compared to the two crts beside it. It needs a picture calibration, due to washed out colors, but if that is doable, then the crt wins.
The PS2 was a very capable device graphically speaking, But it was a very hard system to develop for. Many developers had to create most of the architecture for all programmable games from scratch (Bare in mind they still did this as the PS2 was so incredibly successful upon its release) But because the Video out put signal on the PS2 is so bizzare for any digital TV to read properly, Its full potential could not properly be understood by the user. The console itself however Could run and be programmed in High definition, You just wouldn't get the chance to see it unless the existing hardware was modified
didn't the wii come out in 2007/08? back then plasma and LCD tv's were waaaay more common than CRT's at least in switzerland, i got my first flatscreen (LCD) TV in 2006!
The way a CRT works, each frame is actually only shown on screen for a fraction of the duration of that frame. It just flashes momentarily each frame and then remains black until the electron gun comes back around for the next frame. LCD displays the frame on screen for the entire duration of the frame, until the frame buffer has all the data it needs to display the next frame. The way our eyes perceive motion, we expect something to be in each location as it moves through space and time to only exist at a given point in space in time for an instant. Not hold still in one position for a 16.6 milliseconds (at 60fps) and then suddenly teleport to a different location for another 16.6ms. This results in us seeing a noticeable amount of motion blur and because of this, CRTs will have 1/3 or less perceivable motion blue when compared to any digital display, be it plasma, LCD, etc at the same frame rate.
gamerED, huge difference between RGB-scart and RCA since RGB separate the colour, making colorbleed dissappear, it also adds sharpness to the image because of this. On a flatscreen TV with good analog video conversion RGB-svart looks like a slightly blurier VGA image.
I've been playing my PS2 on my 4K through component and honestly its so pixelated. It is giving me a massive headache. It looks dreadful. I don't have an AV input so I can't use my AV cable.
Isn’t it impossible to actually represent a CRT via video recording? I don’t know the technical terms, but basically only ever other line is visible on recording.
You know your getting old when the ps2 is labled an old fashioned gaming console, jeez i must be old i grew up with the nes, master system, snes and megadrive. Personally id take a CRT over anything with the old consoles, Ps3 and xbox 360 were the last consoles to take full advantage of crt because of rgb scart cables after that the newer consoles dropped the traditional av socket in favour of the new hdmi standard so were designed to run on hdmi, i run 2 crts at home for my retro game consoles, a Panasonic 25" dolby pro logic set and a Sony 25" Trinitron dolby pro logic set, i got a lot of 20" to 25" tvs i have in storage that i crib the tubes from and make arcade monitors with using proper arcade chassis for my ever growing retro arcade machines, i love crt and its a fine art working on these and making the picture is brilliant as possible.
Thing is ur camera is getting a more or less color because tbh our cameras don’t give us exact color , that’s why our hands look great but anything with a screen always has some type of buzz
Crt is 480 res. Matches dvd res, and will suit consoles with similar or less. The electrons display picture in a more direct and instantaneous way than pixels, so both button pressing and image movement are indiscernibly fast. The other factor is the blackness of a (decent condition tube) crt, the contrast and hue saturation and brightness as opposed to lcd, some led tvs etc
But since crt tvs don't have a maximum resolution if u use an rca to hdmi converter and input 1080p from a ps3 or ps4 what resolution will the tv ouput?
The picture quality on a good crt like a PVM is much higher than any new TV and monitor. Firstly the glas makes the picture more pop than a matt one. Old movies (crt era) are much brighter on a crt because the color mapping is right and digitalized versions also on netflix etc look awful. The Thing and A Team etc can have pitch black moments. Same in the Socom games. You cant play these on a LCD / Oled. OLED without calibration is puking colors. Overflowing your senses. CRT's glow and neutral colors can be more popping when the editor of the movie wants it to be... Lower resolutions look high res on a crt compared to LCD where you often need at least 1440p to not feel outdated (old games are fine on 1080p but newer games do not scale down well so more anti alising is needed imo). Oled pixels are fast in theory but the Operating System on a OLED and maybe size reduces the speed dramatically. I can only buy 4k monoitors or I would not get happy. LED pixel response will never be really fast. smearing will always happen. The only flaw is that you should have used a 4k LG Monitor too because much has changed in the recent years compared to a 2013 TN or IPS scree
CRT technology use a electronic beam (photon beam) which hits phosphorus treated pixel diode. However, the draw back is that your back would soon give out as you move you CRT tube around. The sharpness of letter on the screen is do to control of atoms. This limits the size of the screen as well as being an energy hog. Today environmentally friendly technology the pixel size is limited by manufacturing. Eventually, quality in manufacture will surpass the sharpness of CRT technology.
Lcd monitors and tvs use sample and hold which is what causes the blur as it doesn't refresh the image at 60hz until 16.6ms has gone. The crt refreshes in a different way and so suffers from zero motion blur on movement. The colours won't look the same if they aren't calibrated in the menus. Maybe the colour setting on the crt needed pumping up or it has washed out colours over composite cables, the menu settings should help.
I've got the worst of both 1080p and 4K: a 1080p TV which is 42". There are small 1080p TV's around the house but I'm not sure I want multiple TV's set up in one room lol.
This blur is caused by the resolution that flat tv's are supporting. The crt's standard is 240p but also 480i and 480p. But hd tv's alway's run this signal's as 480i and deinterlacing it and this is why the image is blur.
480i is such a rabbit hole of fuckery to get a decent picture. I love my Sony Trinitron CRT but it sucks that those can't do 480P and it's hard to find BVMs and PVMs that can. FPGA boards for the older 240p consoles and HDMI video modifications for the 480i generation are probably going to be the best bet.
If you pause the video you can see very clear that the CRT compared to the monitor and the tv are not the same. The arrow is all the way to the next country while in the tv and monitor is only half way there
HikaruWDM n/a No, because the GameCube component cables used a special output on the back of older models (it was removed later because components were rarely used at the time) and had a built-in chip that converted digital to analog signal.
If a system is 4th gen or older (megadrive SNES and older) then yes a CRT is the way to go grapgically, if you want to play a light gun game you NEED a CRT, they are not the most CLEAR displays, but they are still useful and at one point were considered part of the kit.
The CRT TV definitely has the least lag on game cube. Slowing down the video and going frame by frame, the CRT TV transitions scenes a full 2 frames ahead of the one to the left, and 2.5 frames ahead of the one on the right.
Everybody in the comment section here, saying that the crt has the worst color accuracy, when in reality, it is really HARD to accurately capture a C.R.T.'s screen. Under normal circumstances, you can capture accurate color from a crt, but a "scrolling pattern" appears in the footage you have shot, due to its refresh rate not matching your camera's, or you match the refresh rate of your camera, and the camera captures the screen image of your crt, as brighter and washed-out moreso than it is. In reality, this crt's colors are richer than what is shown.
No LED, LCD, Plasma or any other type of modern panel can create a faster response time than the CRT. The blurry/ghosty image when moving really is down to response time. Even OLED panels which can go as low as 0.5ms cannot compete with the near instantaneous response time of CRT (but monitors haven't hit the market yet, and tvs have slow response times even in game mode* and most will probably not be at its max 0.5ms once they do come out anyway*). Response time makes gaming a lot more fun and immersive. People nowadays don't realize how much fast response times help. Pro players with their 360hz monitors think they have the best. I had a 165hz 1440p ips and a 240hz tn monitor, and I would trade any of them for 80-90hz on my Sony GDM FW-900. I also have HDR600 support on my 1440p 144hz Quantum Dot VA panel monitor, which looks nice, but SR on my Sony GDM FW-900 looks better than HDR even on my OLED TV which has every single pixel having backlight for HDR.
@@sonyx4500 Yeah. I lemented the transition we had for a while. As a kid, being 6-7 years old, I played on a CRT TV. Then we moved house and we had a plasma tv... and, something felt different. Until I grew up and just less than a year or so ago, I didn't realize that it was becase of the screen. I now have a Sony GDM FW-900 and even though I still hesitate to play video games, when I begin, I don't want to stop.
we only had CRT's till 2009 and the ones we had all died by 2011. we got a 720 plasma in 2009 and it died 2 months ago. CRT's we had were probably 30 years old. they were made to last.
Essentially both are component. Component just means the signal is devided into different components, wich is also the truth on RGB. But that got lost over the years, so its more common tu use the term "component" for YPbPr.
You only have to look it up for 2 seconds: SCART can have seperate cables inside the main cable for RED/GREEN/BLUE or RGB, with separate ground cables as well. CAN is the keyword here, because not all TV's have it wired up inside and there are a couple of different cables which might omit these internal cables as well, I even used to have cables with connectors which were missing all pins except those for the composite and sound signal. There is even a standard that implements Y/PbCb/PrCr into a SCART cable, but I have actually never seen a TV that used it. Component cables or Y/PbCb/PrCr is build up like. Brightness/Luminance+Colour/Chrominance+Colour; This allows for more bandwidth compared to RGB and thus allows for Progressive scan video and/or resolutions up to 1080i. I'm from Europe btw :)
The 1080p Monitor had the best color in my opinion. I'd choose the 1080p Monitor and the CRT for sure. I wonder what model/brand is it if any one knows, for the 1080p Monitor.
Oh!, I always wanted to get a 16:9 CRT TV, those never came to Argentina :-(, I wonder if you have an older CRT TV that's not so new since I read and heard so many times that those ones introduce lag.
GameCube: crt via s video Ps2: 1080p tv via component Wii: 1080p monitor via Wii2HDMI or 1080p TV via component Xbox: 1080p monitor via VGA or 1080p TV via component PSP: you may not want to bother with it
The sheer effort that went into making this video - 10/10
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LMAO. The sheer effort is 3/10. It's not even a proper test.
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8.1/10 because it was a 16:9 CRT only, and not a 4:3 CRT.
Do these consoles count as retro now? God damn I'm old. >.
Yep, they are! haha I'm feeling it too
Not yet
xbox is 16 yrs old so is the ps2 gamecube is 14 yrs old and the wii is 11yrs old
ubernaffa No, they are retro. Retro is from the beginning to the 5th generation..(N64 and PS1.)
Who defines that xD? The SNES was considered retro when the Cube was out, that was two generations in difference. So its save to say those systems over here can be considered retro as well :P
The 4K tv has very noticeable lag, the monitor is lagging behind the CRT. CRTs have essentially zero input lag.
Anthelion Gaming thx also we have thankfully the kinda considerably high on the scale of how high end exactly ours is but its still a CRT but both its able to go up to 1080i notice its the Sony KV32-HV600 WEGA (pronounced "VAY-GAH" aka its V-AYE-GAH) *NOTICE:* to clarify the level of how far up on a scale for how advanced then its just the "HI-SCAN" category so full HD CRT Twp component video inputs four total composite or three of those can be S-Video either but also one "monitor out" composite output both audio/video for intended use of recording on VCR etc but also there is an option to use it with one "input/video7/seven" which is DVI or (Digital Video Interface)
But the highest I know of is the SOPNY "SUPER-FINE-PITCH" WOCH IS ALSO THE SAME AS HI-SCAN BUT HAS EVEN MORE HIGH END FEATURES PLUS the rare SFP PICTURE TUBE
And 16:9 CRT....4:3 is standard for retro console
@@newlin83 monitors still have less lag then TVs but the ones that have the lowest lag has the worst colors
=b yah, but he also used cheap examples. You can get 1ms input monitors. A cheap composite or component to hdmi adapter also adds latency of you only have hdmi input.
240p Consoles like SNES, NES etc is where the crt really outshines the other options.
@@DarksideStreams and n64
rgb scart and framemeister may say otherwise.
some guy Wallet may say otherwise.
@@Vinnay94 All I said it was the best option never said anything about cost.
some guy Framemeisters still can't zero input lag.
I heard that CRTs had very little lag compared to modern ones, but seeing it compared directly made the difference easily apparent. It’s crazy that we’re just now getting lag-free displays with modern TVs
Try it with an ATARI game. It would be even easier to notice the diference.
You kinda mentioned it in the beginning, but one thing to keep in mind is that if you're using a CRT with component cables, you're going to be getting the best picture. Things like the sony trinitron around 03' had component (some even had multiple) and if you change the settings in things like the ps2 to output in 480, you're gonna see an incredible picture that I don't think you'll get when using an HDMI adapter. I can see the idea of a monitor being similar, but they were designed for that CRT, and if you're using component or S - Video, you'll see that enhanced beautifully.
Yeah I got a Sony wega and seeing ps2 on it via component is insane
the only reason i keep my crt tv is because watching vhs/video cd/480p or less input resolution (like very old youtube videos) in an hdtv/monitor is a pain. we still need crt tv for older contents and formats😉
18:06 me anastasia sally & irene have dances to mariah carey the spice girls & JKT48 in chupa chups cruise ship for dubai.
the lag on the 4k tv is atrocious
Upscaling causes lag and improper calibration, also outside of game mode on these tvs are very laggy
@Jonathan Soko 120hz motion flow bullshit.
Ponyboy Curtis I love your book.
What I really hate about non CRT TV's is the blurring whenever there is movement in a video game, and it's not just the non HD consoles, it also happens on my PS3 too, I've tried changing the settings on the consoles and on the TV's, I've tried non HD leads and HD leads, yet movement still looks blurry. New TV's just totally seem like a step backwards from CRT's, I wish CRT's were still being made.
That happens when matrix is too slow. I noticed this too on old LCD TV, but only when image correctors were active.
I think what they should do is - put in a decent CRT emulator on the modern TV's to solve the issue.
@Plautus egal maybe try a 240hz monitor that may help you.
Console may have motion blur which makes it worse.
Digital Synthesis That wouldn't work. CRTs work differently to plasmas, LCDs etc.
Cool video! :)
It's helpful for the most important when it comes to older consoles! Pixel and upscaling comparison.
But for a better picture comparison, every monitor/TV should have their picture setting trying to visually match at least brightness, contrast, saturation, and sharpness. For exemple, your CRT TV is too washed out and the monitor is too saturated. Every TV are also with sharpness differences, that are visible on the letters for instance.
I love CRT for my retro gaming consoles but Xbox, Dreamcast, and Gamecube can look great on an HD tv with the right cable and if they are progressive scan. My PS2 is always on the CRT. I imagine ignorance is bliss for those who never grew up with CRT TV's mind
Chris Goodson PS2 looks terrible on HDTVs. I only use them with component on CRTs.
Alan Wake which is better overall. Wii on tube tv, or Wii on hdtv? I can’t stand jaggies and blur.
The jaggies are pretty visible on the Wii If you're using a HDTV, especially if you use composite. I haven't tried using it with component, but I have used the wii mode on a Wii U and I don't remember noticing the jaggies as much.
I grew up with a crt and I was born mid 00s
@@thecrafticabinmaldon1251 same
Yeah, HDMI lags, its why audio sync doesnt work sometimes when mixing surround systems, bluetooth systems and why playing halo on Xbox 360 had a distinct advantage on CRT.
This was very helpful! My big takeaway is that I don't need to bother getting a CRT tv for my retro game consoles. I've never been much of a screen-o-phile, so it seems highly unlikely that I would be able to notice a significant difference unless it was side-by-side with my normal tv.
18:06 me anastasia sally & irene turns on WiFi & goes to elevator in JW marriott inglewood.
CRTs are the way to go
Chainsaw [ESK] not at all
Good ol' Wolverine's Revenge, I never got to complete it before returning it back to Blockbuster, but it was one hell of a game. Absolutely loved it. Thanks for the comparison mate.
Pause the video and use > (next frame) and < (previous frame) keyboard buttons to view frame by frame and see the how big the lag is on every LCD, even in "game mode", when compared to CRT. Additionally, keep in mind that this video is in 30fps, so 1 frame of lag we see here is 2 frames of lag in 60fps
I know this is old, but you said it better than I did. I can even see the input lag live.
I got an RCA television from the 80s and can play xbox 360 just fine
I can see a delay in the beginning where you said they all look the same. Remember you are talking 200-300 milliseconds or .2 seconds. It's not much to the eye, but it can be a big difference in a game. It's there, have a closer look and pay attention to the slight delay that is literally a blink of the eye.
JViello I saw it myself even when he put game mode on, as I know what Zero Input Lag feels like on a CRT.
13:24 You can increase the colour on the CRTs settings. Also, SD 4:3 CRTs are better for Retro consoles.
Vinny V well why are SD 4:3 CRTs better ?
@@armeniancrusader301 I've waited long enough for him to tell you. Almost all of the consoles shown in this video have game libraries that are 99% 4:3 games. So if you hook any of them up to any of the screens he's shown, it's going to stretch and distort the picture. And an HDTV isn't going to increase the resolution of those 480i games.
@@F0CKSTR0T Yeah but it’s a hassle to buy and carry an old CRT into your room when you can just get an AV or Scart to HDMI adapter and just plug the old console wether it be a PS2 or a Wii or whatever else into the TV you already have and start gaming.
And all modern TVs have a 4:3 mode where the picture becomes 4:3 so it isn’t that of a problem anymore besides the games still being pixelated on HD TVs.
CRTs also take up a lot of space due to their size.
@HerobrineMC001 Smaller CRT TVs would be great in such a situation. 9" or 14" Consumer models can be really useful if you're looking for a CRT, whilst not worrying about space issues. Keep in mind, most models could actually be capable of ONLY mono audio.
Honestly, if you plugged any of those consoles to a sony trinitron FV or FS series (flat screen sdtv crt) via component it would blow all those displays out the window in every possible test. You would need to emulate to get a visually better, and or as good of a looking (static) picture in comparison to any of those consoles on a FV or FS trinitron.
Adrenaline PvP the KV models aren't good?
Dreamcast3w The FV and FS are KV models
I have a Trinitron Wega KV-24FS120, and I can confirm this is true. Even with just standard A/V (composite), they blow away the plasma and LCD I have tested. I have a PS2, Xbox (original), and a GameCube hooked up to it and it looks amazing. I bought the tv second hand and it only cost me US$15, so I’d say that’s $15 well spent.
I agree however, CRT technology reached it limit and became resource dependent. Your back would give out lifting a 75 inch CRT TV around.
Adrenaline PvP what sucks it that my Sony Trinitron CRT only supports 240p and 480i for some reason. So any PS2 or original Xbox games that play in 480p, 720p, or 1080i doesn't display a picture.
Great video! You obviously put a lot of effort into making this, thank you for the comparisons!
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This Chap is a Legend...this video is still valuable after all these years. Nice one mate.
I love my 13 inch crt tv, my ps2 and sega dreamcast look so much better on it! It really is the best way to play older games.
Thanks for this video! But if you pause at lets say 10:32 and notice the cursor on all three displays you'll see that CRT is still faster!
Wow
Correction, component isn't RGB, it's ypbpr, they are different standards. RGB is typically found in scart and jp21 connectors.
I had to immediately pause the video to see if anyone corrected this already. ypbpr/component is definitely not the same as rgb.
I wish I hadn't thrown away my JVC CRT TV, the sound was especially good. Another interesting option is to use a portable DVD player with the AV in cable. I used it for my PS1 and it was surprisingly good.
Thanks for doing that
To really drive the point home, I've seen this with iPad promotion 120hz vs regular iPad screen, slow motion camera, you can really see the difference
It's important with modern TVs now
Thanks for doing this
I have 3008wfp Dell ultra sharp,
Still thinking of getting a tv, full HD 1080p
But there are many factors
I have a softmod ps2 with a hard drive
So it's kinda something I'm looking into
Nice Vince 👍. Just subscribed to your channel keep up the great content dude !!! Salute Man
#1. Get component cables. #2. Use a smaller 32" or less HDTV screen. It doesn't help to use a 55" HDTV. #3. Set the component source for 4:3 RATIO (not 16:9). Do not use widescreen or full screen as it will stretch out the picture. Even if the games support both 16:9 and 4:3, pick the 4:3 ratio as it will look better. The smaller the television and the smaller the display the better it will look. #4. The 480p compatible games look better. For PS2, hold x and triangle during load up screen and apply progressive scan (480p). Some people use component cables, never changed their game to progressive scan (480p) and are using standard definition display and later complain about the component cable's picture quality. Some games like Tekken 5 may display options in their menu and can put out higher 525p. There are many PS2 games that support 480p. PS2 games that support 480p will look better but there are many games that don't support 420p and look good like Def Jam: Fight For NY. Here is a list of PS2 Games with alternative display modes (480p). sonicwbii.fandom.co/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_with_alternative_display_modes
CRT no doubt about it. But then again I only use CRT tvs so Im probably quite bias
PonySoftOnline CRT tv in 2017? Damn lol
SaGe Ninja my thoughts exactly LMAO
SaGe Ninja What's wrong with that? Not arguing, just wondering. It's 2018 now, and I don't care for modern TV's
@@newlin83 given that people give crts away I'd like to argue against you. A good vga monitor still have amazing picture and I have yet to see a 1080p monitor rival my trinitron 200es in term of picture quality, which I got for free. I hooked up my ps4 to it and journey looked stunning.
Give me a day and I will have found a CRT. I made an ad saying that I was looking for one for free. Within a day I had 3 people sending me PMs.
Did you even read my comment? I clearly stated "IN TERM OF PICTURE QUALITY". Plus CRTs can go way above 144hz. Mine is not that great in terms of refresh rate but it can still hit 110. There are CRTs that go way above 144 hz though. I still stand firm on my statement about picture quality. Even my brother who couldn't give a rats ass about CRTs find the picture to be amazing and 1080p monitors can not compete. I'd say part of the reason is the black levels of CRTs.
I know this is 4 years old but I'd also like to add it's great that used composite as despite it having the worst image quality cable wise it's what all these consoles came with and generally still do :)
I'd also like to add with the Nintendo GameCube at least the UK model supports RGB scart :)
Just what I needed, really useful information. Thanks
Man the effort you put into this video is incredible! Amazing content 👌
Love these in-depth videos! Did you knew there’s a modern Panasonic oled TV that has component and composite inputs for retro consoles? I compared the upscaler of the tv with retrotink 5x pro and it upscales just as good if not better visually wise! Tv has best PQ i seen and very good build in speakers (tuned by technics) tv is Panasonic HZ2000. Maybe you guys could checkout the HZ2000? It’s not known by many and convenient wise very easy to set up retro consoles.
I think you really have to be playing these older consoles via a SCART connection when running them on a CRT TV, which was the best connection for consumer CRT TVs that was available at the time as far as I'm aware, at least in the UK, and certainly the one I used wherever possible, or else you're not doing it right imo. And I also think you should just stick to playing on newer TVs via HDMI whenever possible since that's what they are built around, and not using that connection isn't doing the new display full justice either. If you play via SCART on the CRT TV and HDMI on the new HDTV, comparing the best version of each picture available to normal consumers on these consoles running on the different displays, so you can show them off in their best light and do them full justice, then it will be a truly fair and telling comparison imo. And, just to be clear, I think the CRT TV will utterly wipe the floor with the HDTVs in such as case (especially if you can get your hands on an HD capable CRT TV, because obviously it's kinda impossible to properly downscale a game made for really high resolutions to a screen that can't even run at that resolution and not lose a whole lot of detail).
But, if you're running actual old consoles, like a NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PS1, etc, through a CRT TV and SCART it will utterly destroy trying to upscale them and run them on whatever modern TV you choose, even if you use various conversion boxes and whatever other crap, which usually only make them output sharp but lose everything else that is needed to make them actually look right, and indeed run without any lag whatsoever.
These guys have a great video for showing how good modern games can look when run through a proper CRT TV that's actually capable of supporting them properly: th-cam.com/video/V8BVTHxc4LM/w-d-xo.html
Nice video, one question: is that a wide crt?
I've got project Gotham racing on original Xbox and need for speed carbon on ps2
X-Men Legends 1 and 2 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ I love so much these games 😭
this is the best comparison video on youtube. well played 10 / 10
Good job buddy.
8:45
I notice that the yellow square that appears on the game map appears on the screen a few milliseconds before the rest of the screens.
How come you didn't include backwards compatibility with the GameCube on the Wii?
Wii is not retro, it still has life left in it. My life in gaming is a good channel for this sort of stuff. Some of these consoles are meant more for LCDs than CRTs. Great video, though!
Depends on your definition of retro
I got a CRT for 8 and 16 bit emulation and still use crt shader filters, because I can't play at native resolution. Thats somehow strange, using crt filter on a crt monitor. :D
Tuncay G have you tried the 240p output using retropie?
good video I just picked up a Sega obviously older than the consoles you tested would you say CRT would probably be the best bet?
I haven't even watched the entire video yet, and I can tell you that at 2:32 in this video, the crt tv has the least amount of lag, compared to the two crts beside it. It needs a picture calibration, due to washed out colors, but if that is doable, then the crt wins.
The PS2 was a very capable device graphically speaking, But it was a very hard system to develop for. Many developers had to create most of the architecture for all programmable games from scratch (Bare in mind they still did this as the PS2 was so incredibly successful upon its release) But because the Video out put signal on the PS2 is so bizzare for any digital TV to read properly, Its full potential could not properly be understood by the user. The console itself however Could run and be programmed in High definition, You just wouldn't get the chance to see it unless the existing hardware was modified
the 1080 p tv has too much purple
didn't the wii come out in 2007/08? back then plasma and LCD tv's were waaaay more common than CRT's at least in switzerland, i got my first flatscreen (LCD) TV in 2006!
if you pause the video as he clicking a button you can see which is the most responsive 10:32
The way a CRT works, each frame is actually only shown on screen for a fraction of the duration of that frame. It just flashes momentarily each frame and then remains black until the electron gun comes back around for the next frame. LCD displays the frame on screen for the entire duration of the frame, until the frame buffer has all the data it needs to display the next frame.
The way our eyes perceive motion, we expect something to be in each location as it moves through space and time to only exist at a given point in space in time for an instant. Not hold still in one position for a 16.6 milliseconds (at 60fps) and then suddenly teleport to a different location for another 16.6ms. This results in us seeing a noticeable amount of motion blur and because of this, CRTs will have 1/3 or less perceivable motion blue when compared to any digital display, be it plasma, LCD, etc at the same frame rate.
This guy loves cables and cable management and hacks lol
sheer effort and setup 10/10
The monitor looks the best
why not use RGB scart?
sonicpelaaja is scart good?
gamerED For retro systems, yes.
gamerED, huge difference between RGB-scart and RCA since RGB separate the colour, making colorbleed dissappear, it also adds sharpness to the image because of this. On a flatscreen TV with good analog video conversion RGB-svart looks like a slightly blurier VGA image.
Does scart exist in new tv's, in monitors? No.
No but on CRT TV's tehy are quite common, and even my HDTV from 2014 has one.
I've been playing my PS2 on my 4K through component and honestly its so pixelated. It is giving me a massive headache. It looks dreadful. I don't have an AV input so I can't use my AV cable.
When did the Wii become retro? It's just about as old as a PS3 and XB360
Yeah but is already succeeded by two systems...
fukuharasan for a console be retro need to be 16 years old wii is just 12 years old
Isn’t it impossible to actually represent a CRT via video recording? I don’t know the technical terms, but basically only ever other line is visible on recording.
Does the 1080p TV have a strong magneta tint in real life?
You know your getting old when the ps2 is labled an old fashioned gaming console, jeez i must be old i grew up with the nes, master system, snes and megadrive.
Personally id take a CRT over anything with the old consoles, Ps3 and xbox 360 were the last consoles to take full advantage of crt because of rgb scart cables after that the newer consoles dropped the traditional av socket in favour of the new hdmi standard so were designed to run on hdmi, i run 2 crts at home for my retro game consoles, a Panasonic 25" dolby pro logic set and a Sony 25" Trinitron dolby pro logic set, i got a lot of 20" to 25" tvs i have in storage that i crib the tubes from and make arcade monitors with using proper arcade chassis for my ever growing retro arcade machines, i love crt and its a fine art working on these and making the picture is brilliant as possible.
YOU NEED FOR TEST 32" 16:9 HD CRT TV with HDMI !!! so question is how diffirent type of TV works in same conditions for example 1080 i/p .
Цао Цао曹丞相 aren’t the 16:9 HD CRT 1080i/720p TV‘s expensive ?
@@armeniancrusader301 not expensive but hard to find
Thing is ur camera is getting a more or less color because tbh our cameras don’t give us exact color , that’s why our hands look great but anything with a screen always has some type of buzz
Crt is 480 res. Matches dvd res, and will suit consoles with similar or less. The electrons display picture in a more direct and instantaneous way than pixels, so both button pressing and image movement are indiscernibly fast. The other factor is the blackness of a (decent condition tube) crt, the contrast and hue saturation and brightness as opposed to lcd, some led tvs etc
But since crt tvs don't have a maximum resolution if u use an rca to hdmi converter and input 1080p from a ps3 or ps4 what resolution will the tv ouput?
great video
Holy Crap that game mode thing helped so much thank you
The picture quality on a good crt like a PVM is much higher than any new TV and monitor. Firstly the glas makes the picture more pop than a matt one. Old movies (crt era) are much brighter on a crt because the color mapping is right and digitalized versions also on netflix etc look awful. The Thing and A Team etc can have pitch black moments. Same in the Socom games. You cant play these on a LCD / Oled. OLED without calibration is puking colors. Overflowing your senses. CRT's glow and neutral colors can be more popping when the editor of the movie wants it to be... Lower resolutions look high res on a crt compared to LCD where you often need at least 1440p to not feel outdated (old games are fine on 1080p but newer games do not scale down well so more anti alising is needed imo).
Oled pixels are fast in theory but the Operating System on a OLED and maybe size reduces the speed dramatically. I can only buy 4k monoitors or I would not get happy. LED pixel response will never be really fast. smearing will always happen.
The only flaw is that you should have used a 4k LG Monitor too because much has changed in the recent years compared to a 2013 TN or IPS scree
CRT technology use a electronic beam (photon beam) which hits phosphorus treated pixel diode. However, the draw back is that your back would soon give out as you move you CRT tube around. The sharpness of letter on the screen is do to control of atoms. This limits the size of the screen as well as being an energy hog. Today environmentally friendly technology the pixel size is limited by manufacturing. Eventually, quality in manufacture will surpass the sharpness of CRT technology.
Lcd monitors and tvs use sample and hold which is what causes the blur as it doesn't refresh the image at 60hz until 16.6ms has gone. The crt refreshes in a different way and so suffers from zero motion blur on movement. The colours won't look the same if they aren't calibrated in the menus. Maybe the colour setting on the crt needed pumping up or it has washed out colours over composite cables, the menu settings should help.
They all look similar but contrast is great on 1080p ,monitor and 4k
CRT is best
I've got the worst of both 1080p and 4K: a 1080p TV which is 42". There are small 1080p TV's around the house but I'm not sure I want multiple TV's set up in one room lol.
Hey, nice video. How are you splitting the RCA to the 4 screens?
This blur is caused by the resolution that flat tv's are supporting. The crt's standard is 240p but also 480i and 480p. But hd tv's alway's run this signal's as 480i and deinterlacing it and this is why the image is blur.
480i is such a rabbit hole of fuckery to get a decent picture. I love my Sony Trinitron CRT but it sucks that those can't do 480P and it's hard to find BVMs and PVMs that can. FPGA boards for the older 240p consoles and HDMI video modifications for the 480i generation are probably going to be the best bet.
It’s on hdmi but it’s still only a composite signal. You should use the component signal whenever possible on the old games.
18:04 me anastasia sally & irene reacts to teletubbies drama by JKT48 in stage.
If you pause the video you can see very clear that the CRT compared to the monitor and the tv are not the same. The arrow is all the way to the next country while in the tv and monitor is only half way there
Isn't there third party component cable for the GC?
HikaruWDM n/a No, because the GameCube component cables used a special output on the back of older models (it was removed later because components were rarely used at the time) and had a built-in chip that converted digital to analog signal.
Not yet. However, there are HDMI adapters for GameCube.
I think the crt has the brightness set too high or it's just been used too much, cause mine don't look that washed out, even on camera
I love my gaming CRT even for Ps3!
No Dreamcast. :(
If a system is 4th gen or older (megadrive SNES and older) then yes a CRT is the way to go grapgically, if you want to play a light gun game you NEED a CRT, they are not the most CLEAR displays, but they are still useful and at one point were considered part of the kit.
I have an hdmi cable into a monitor for my console and they all look like I smeared Vaseline on the screen, how does yours look so clear???
The CRT TV definitely has the least lag on game cube. Slowing down the video and going frame by frame, the CRT TV transitions scenes a full 2 frames ahead of the one to the left, and 2.5 frames ahead of the one on the right.
Interesting, thanks for posting this :-)
Everybody in the comment section here, saying that the crt has the worst color accuracy, when in reality, it is really HARD to accurately capture a C.R.T.'s screen. Under normal circumstances, you can capture accurate color from a crt, but a "scrolling pattern" appears in the footage you have shot, due to its refresh rate not matching your camera's, or you match the refresh rate of your camera, and the camera captures the screen image of your crt, as brighter and washed-out moreso than it is. In reality, this crt's colors are richer than what is shown.
uses wii with 480i on a 4k/video smoothing/stretched aspect ratio tv with highly visible black lines
my friends: *what's the problem?*
Dom GC haha
No LED, LCD, Plasma or any other type of modern panel can create a faster response time than the CRT. The blurry/ghosty image when moving really is down to response time. Even OLED panels which can go as low as 0.5ms cannot compete with the near instantaneous response time of CRT (but monitors haven't hit the market yet, and tvs have slow response times even in game mode* and most will probably not be at its max 0.5ms once they do come out anyway*). Response time makes gaming a lot more fun and immersive. People nowadays don't realize how much fast response times help. Pro players with their 360hz monitors think they have the best. I had a 165hz 1440p ips and a 240hz tn monitor, and I would trade any of them for 80-90hz on my Sony GDM FW-900. I also have HDR600 support on my 1440p 144hz Quantum Dot VA panel monitor, which looks nice, but SR on my Sony GDM FW-900 looks better than HDR even on my OLED TV which has every single pixel having backlight for HDR.
CRT is the best display technology we ever invented period. Its a shame we didn't develop it any further.
@@sonyx4500 Yeah. I lemented the transition we had for a while. As a kid, being 6-7 years old, I played on a CRT TV. Then we moved house and we had a plasma tv... and, something felt different. Until I grew up and just less than a year or so ago, I didn't realize that it was becase of the screen. I now have a Sony GDM FW-900 and even though I still hesitate to play video games, when I begin, I don't want to stop.
If only you had used an n64 as that’s the real challenge. It’s a nightmare to get a decent image
Dude forcing the video output of the nintendo wii on sd crt to PAL 576 I is better than 480 I NTSC?
we only had CRT's till 2009 and the ones we had all died by 2011. we got a 720 plasma in 2009 and it died 2 months ago. CRT's we had were probably 30 years old. they were made to last.
for some reason the crt tv is faster than the others as you can see
component is YPbPr not RGB. have to run SCART to get RGB.
Essentially both are component. Component just means the signal is devided into different components, wich is also the truth on RGB. But that got lost over the years, so its more common tu use the term "component" for YPbPr.
You only have to look it up for 2 seconds:
SCART can have seperate cables inside the main cable for RED/GREEN/BLUE or RGB, with separate ground cables as well. CAN is the keyword here, because not all TV's have it wired up inside and there are a couple of different cables which might omit these internal cables as well, I even used to have cables with connectors which were missing all pins except those for the composite and sound signal. There is even a standard that implements Y/PbCb/PrCr into a SCART cable, but I have actually never seen a TV that used it.
Component cables or Y/PbCb/PrCr is build up like. Brightness/Luminance+Colour/Chrominance+Colour; This allows for more bandwidth compared to RGB and thus allows for Progressive scan video and/or resolutions up to 1080i.
I'm from Europe btw :)
I love old CRT TV
At 08:40 the crt is slightly faster than all other monitors.
1080p for me it’s simply perfect between all. Also lol cables for ps2 xbox and psp are expensive and not some pounds, but this was 4years ago
The 1080p Monitor had the best color in my opinion. I'd choose the 1080p Monitor and the CRT for sure. I wonder what model/brand is it if any one knows, for the 1080p Monitor.
Oh!, I always wanted to get a 16:9 CRT TV, those never came to Argentina :-(, I wonder if you have an older CRT TV that's not so new since I read and heard so many times that those ones introduce lag.
You can change the colors on the crt to be as bright as you seem to want them
original xbox is better in a crt or an oled? using all those upscaling devices like retrothink 5 + hd cables
GameCube: crt via s video
Ps2: 1080p tv via component
Wii: 1080p monitor via Wii2HDMI or 1080p TV via component
Xbox: 1080p monitor via VGA or 1080p TV via component
PSP: you may not want to bother with it
If you connect the console to the monitor via av to hdmi convertor.. the where do the audio come out from?
I haev question too, but i plug my xbox 360 to Monitor via HDMI and my monitor has Sounds so . i kinda confused about Sounds.
GameCube Xbox and PS2 aren't even retro in my opinion the old TVs make the biggest difference on Genesis, SNES and PS1