Getting Started in Historical Ancient and Medieval Wargaming - DBMM
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So you’re interested in getting started in ancient or medieval wargaming? This video explains why DBMM is the best ancient and medieval wargaming ruleset available.
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Kudos. This is exactly what DBMM needs today... more exposure on social media. I hope you keep this up.
~Fritz
Many thanks Fritz, I've been a subscriber of yours for a while now and you're making some great historical content (people should definitely check out his channel!)
I'm hoping this will get DBMM out to more people and the following videos will ease the learning curve, because Phil Barker's rulesets really are some of the best around!
- Jack
Delighted to see you doing this ! I used to play a lot of DBM but twenty years ago I moved to the Ancient Wargame wasteland of West Cornwall. No one played any ancients so I was left with solo DBA. I did buy DBMM but trying to learn it solo was a non starter. I had thought of playing solo DBM since I know the rules inside out, but was aware that DBMM is a more detailed set. I shall be watching the rest of your videos and hope to try a solo game of DBMM 100 to get me started. Since it will be solo it does not really matter if I miss a lot of the rules.
Great start to a promising series. DBMM is an underrated but excellent rule set. One issue is that people feel it is hard to get into and understand - that the learning curve is too steep. This series should be a great resource to overcome that.
Many thanks. I'm hoping to compile future videos into a playlist that can be sent to new players, hopefully this channel can become a resource for reducing that learning curve. I think once people get into it DBMM is one of the best rulesets around, so I want to get more players using it!
- Jack
Thanks for making the video. What a great introduction
Thank you so much! this is very useful for my Three Kingdoms battles!
It's so good that I have translated part of the rules into Chinese. A definitive good set of rules if you are bored in playing head on clash games. This game needs a lot of planning and is for advanced level wargamer. The master of the masters.
Yes the tactical depth and skill ceiling for the game is huge. It's got plenty to keep a person interested for years trying to master it.
- Jack
More good news. A miniature wargaming group in Beijing China, is starting to introduce DBA. They hope to play DBA in a regular basis. Then may be some of them will advance to DBMM later.
Two Hong Kong DBMM Players have also posted their youtube video. One of them focused on battle reporting. He has posted around 12 battle reports now.
th-cam.com/video/-pwbnX1pYIY/w-d-xo.html
Another player has posted around 9 battle reports & army review up to the present moment.
th-cam.com/video/YPgJxN0EG90/w-d-xo.html
Perfect intro into a fantastic game system.
Really is a ruleset that can keep you thinking for years, glad to help put some attention on it.
A great introduction well done.
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed it.
- Jack
Great presentationon the back of which I've rebought my DBMM rules and army lists. I will start building armies also. Thankyou for posting as a new sub I will be following with great interest. Thankyou for posting.
That's great to hear Andy! I've subscribed to your channel and look forward to seeing any of those armies in the future. Keep an eye on the channel as once I've gone through some of the game basics I'll be doing deep dives on the unit types and list building, as well as specific armies.
I'm coming at DBMM from the opposite end.
I game with hind bound old codgers who refuse to change their ways. Some of them still prefer WRG 6th edition. My club refuses to be dislodged from DBM (one M)
I'm looking forward to some of these new-fangled ideas.
DBA was my second wargame and the first I started seriously. It's such an elegant system. Made me alway want to try DBMM, but the ammount of figures needed for DBMM... woah. Hope one day I will paint enough. :)
You might want to check out next weeks episode, I'm doing direct comparison to DBA and some low figure count entries to DBMM!
I am almost 70 years old and my wargaming with figures not virtual crap goes back to the 1960 s with Donald Feathers tone and Charles Grant and Brigadier Peter Young. Yes it was time consuming and did definitely cost money but was totally rewarding. My metal figure collection self painted and bought consists of over 20000 figures in the Alexandrian , Roman Viking , medieval , English civil war , and Napoleonic period. Of late however l have focused on WW2 all phases , the French Indochina War , Korea and early Vietnam , something l haven't done since early minitanks and Airfix figures. My new endeavour has resulted in about 4500 figures and 400 vehicles all encompassing that period l mentioned . They are all plastic mainly Itileri etc and while my eyes aren't good enough or my hands to paint them anymore l am having the time of my life. I live in a fairly remote area of NB and therefore now game solo unlike when l lived in the greater Toronto area. The rules l now employ are heavily and l mean heavily modified version of Charles Grants Battle rules unlike the much more complicated rules l used over 20 years ago., But make for a much more enjoyable and quicker result. I will mention Tactica they were great and l would revive my ancient armies if l had a real opponent. .l gave up wargaming or more on hold for about 15 years or so when other interests such as sailing , golf and gundogs took precedence but now they are history and the original passion is back. By the way l am in no way rich but comfortable in retirement and the one thing l miss in a downsized house is my previous for 25 years an 18 foot by 7 foot table . Ah well make due regardless of the level you are at and want to attain . Good gaming it's what it's all about
Wow, you've been playing since the 1960s? What's the biggest change you've seen since then? I imagine the models are technically better now, but are there many style differences now?
@@awordabout...3061 yes there are many different types of figures. when i started there was the old 54 mil HG Wells style , by the way i have his book on gaming as well. 30 mil 25 mil and of course Airfix 1#87 gauge. the quality of castings has definately improved and you have 15 mil and micro to add into the mix. my friends and i liked gaming battles in historical content , if an oppossing force like the Carthaginians and Romans consisted of 60 or 80 thousand troops then are units were size were based on a 1 to 60 ratio , in other words we each fielded about 1000 to 1400 figures on the table , thats why 18 foot was great , you had op[en flanks not troops occuping end to end and of course allowed outflanking not just frontal assaults. I remember one time in the late 70s when a good friend , still today from grade 9 had assembled a 25 mill roman army of the punic wars and asked me to build an opposing Carthagian army. The olympics were on and much to my wifes dismay l spent 6 or 8 hours after work and more on the weekend and painted and based 450 figures in about 2 weeks. that was the basis of what became over 1200 carthaginians. my friend Dan was also an Alexandrian enthusiast so l built a 1300 Indian army including 25 elephants and 40 odd chariots. Great stuff , if you want to further communicate dont be shy and we can exchange Email addresses or phone numbers if you are so inclined. unfortunately many who l gamed with have left the hobby or have passsed on to that Table in the Sky. Have a good one.
@@awordabout...3061 My reply to you was printed on my wifes computer not my tablet , sorry for any confusion.
I've found I enjoy ancients a lot more since discarding points costs and just going with what looks right. If my army's a bit outclassed this time, we'll just switch sides and have a rematch.
i always wanted to play these rules Hope this series will help...subscribed
I came across your channel yesterday, I love the focus on the historical tactics, you're making some great videos!
@@irhobbies188 Thank you my friend!!
Good effort. I will second Vince, it's the figures and colour that sell the period. And a caution. It's all very well matching the scale of the players at the club, but the bases need to be the same. It is worth pointing out that it uses what is a de facto standard for games of the period.
Yes, an episode on DBX basing would definitely be good. Fritz has done a good introduction on the topic as well. th-cam.com/video/fMLtAz7qTAs/w-d-xo.html
Welcome from New Zealand :-)
Many thanks, glad to see the hobby is global! Hello from the UK!
what army size would you recommend for a 3x3 table? also what terrain would you recommend for 15mm? im going for an early crusades force or 100 years war but i dont really know where to look for terrain
Great vid man loved it. My club currently use Piquet Archon I was wondering if you had and how does it compare to DBMM?
Thanks man, afraid it's not a ruleset I've had any experience with, but hopefully the videos will help you compare and contrast!
I have the idea of waging massive armies across a table, against my friends, which rule sets best balance; ease of learning and use, adaptability between time periods, best for large armies.
Also, if it was just me and friends, there is no reason we have to stick to army lists is there? For example, if l wanted to run Egyptian chariots, Greek hoplites, and Saxon Huscarls, the rules and the "stats" of the soldiers would work well enough, correct? That way, we could build any army look we wanted to follow the "rule of cool." Like, a knight and Roman Legion army with samurai horse archers.
I am designing a game currently called I Will be King. It will be a little while until it is available but you would be able to do all of that.
Its historical in that it's realistic and immersive, but not at all restrictive when it comes to army building. The first iteration will be set it in the 15th century European theatre but the rules can be applied to anything back into antiquity. It also has a campaign system, which sees you use a board game type set up alongside the wargames you play, you build a custom house, and create a few lords and duke it out, storing information on a simple app alongside your army lists to pick up where you left off. You can use any medieval unit in it, even going back into Saxon times. There's a big emphasis around morale, fatigue and manuevering formations in the battles and a good general with fewer men can overcome a larger force almost everytime with the right tactics.
Thanks very useful, will you be doing videos on Choosing an Army and anything on ADLG?
Sadly I've not had the opportunity to try Art De La Guerre, but I'll definitely be doing a video on Choosing an Army in the series!
I'm sure the ADLG people are perfectly capable of producing something if they see fit to.
Great to see this introductory video, thank you 🙏
Looking forward to the following videos about the rules.
Jack Mellish, you asked foe critique. My comments are it is possibly a little long and light on shots of toy soldiers and images from games. However, the information is good and it is great to see video resources being produced by or for WRG. Well done 👍
I agree, the first half was good with lots of flipping between figures, the rules and yourself, but in the 2nd half this dropped. Take a heap of photos of a game and insert those into the video to ensure something changes on the screen each 60 seconds, at least.
Thanks both for the feedback. The next episode will be less of an overview so definitely more toy soldiers! (I know that's what we're all here for after all!)
- Jack
What Vince said, except I am OK with the length. Also good to highlight the major differences from other ancient rules, eg elements v units, command-control in the form of the PIP system, no record keeping or markers on the table, the environment (time, "home" terrain and climate, invader/defender). Keep up the good work, looking forward to part 2!
Very nice video. I have been searching for something like this! What about dba?
Hey, I did an episode about DBA vs DBMM here!
th-cam.com/video/JvG35AlbBuM/w-d-xo.html
@@irhobbies188 ok thank you!
Could I in theory use one of the mentioned rulebooks if I were to use medieval knight toys that I can buy on amazon? If so, which rulebook would you recommend?
Out of curiosity, does this game have siege rules? I've been looking for systems that can be used to recreate the (many) sieges of Jerusalem.
The rules have options for permanent fortifications (walls) and towers, as well as siege tower units (War Wagon Superior) and stratagems to represent defenders betraying parts of the walls, that you could combine together to fight the siege of Jerusalem.
You would need to work out a unique scenario for balancing the forces yourself (there aren't any rules for what percentage of forces a siege defender should have vs the attacker) but there are detailed army lists for the defenders of Jerusalem and the attackers that would help you put the forces together.
I don't have any miniatures but I'm interested in how games like this work.
Check DBMM on TH-cam, plenty of 'how to' videos
Definitely give it a try, and you can even have your first game with labelled bases before your miniatures are painted if you want an easy way to give the rules a try.
@@irhobbies188 thanks, I'll do that
@@sumerandaccad i looked them up, thank you
So, DBA vs DBMM please :)
Also, does the rulebook read like a I have to master a whole different language like it is for DBA?
DBA v DBMM is on the list for a topic. I think DBMM100 (100pt games of DBMM) covers the niche of DBA well, but the combat resolution and army list choice is deeper. I'd highly recommend anyone who plays DBA to give DBMM100 a go.
The rulebooks are written in a very similar fashion. (They're the same author after all), I'm hoping the future videos in this series will help guide people through it!
@@irhobbies188 Great! Perhaps you can compare it to TRIUMPH! ruleset as well. They claim to be based on DBA but rulas are better written. I myself had total mental block when I read DBA rules.
@@Jux925 I guess the purpose of this series is to promote DBMM and make it more accessible, not to compare it with rival rule sets. I'm sure there are people who can talk about other sets elsewhere but this series is sponsored by the people who made DBMM, so they're unlikely to want to discuss rival sets. If they did, they would of course want to do it in a way that made DBMM the preferred set, so where's the value in that?