I have them both. The WSM gets used for night hunting on fox/coyotes because I can let the brass fly and Im unusually not shooting farther than 150 yards. The Hornet for day hunting so I can keep the brass for reloading and will go out to 250 yards comfortably
Thanks for this. Absolutely mind blowing! I never cease to be amazed by the power of .17 caliber bullets traveling that quickly. I’m a HUGE .17 Hornet and HMR fan but have skipped the WSM due to ammo scarcity and price. This video has me rethinking that. Also contemplating a .17-223. 🤔🧐 You have a new subscriber! 👍
@@outdooradventures1696 Hard to argue against the 17 Hornet's velocity and energy advantage. However I was impressed by the 17 WSM being as capable vs the 17 Hornet as it was. Good showing for the 17 WSM. In calibers of this relative energy level I like the clay blocks better than ballistic gel as a graphic representation of the energy dump.
Agree. And I'm finding that the retail price of the WSM is 1/3 the cost of the Hornet, that is if you can find the Hornet round at retail prices, usually it costs much more. I can get the 17 WSM 25 grain for $0.40 a round at a few of my LGS's almost anytime I want, not many people are buying them.
@Art F and Ryan Marino. Art F makes an excellent point that "on paper" is completely logical and no thinking person could refute. However, once people start shooting the hornet they are no longer the same "thinking people" that they once were. They just loose their mind because of it's euphoric effects on the brain. It just does something to you that is difficult to put into words... If you are able to own both the wsm and hornet, please do so...
@Art F. If they start to make the hornet as more of a "rimless" cartridge similar to a .223, then you will start to see uppers available for it. In the meantime, the wsm ar platform would be amazing to shoot.
@@outdooradventures1696 I'm waiting for my JARD J72 to come in. JARD and Franklin Armory are the only two semi auto rifle manufacturers left, Volquartson pulled out a few years ago. It seems that one problem with a semi auto 17 WSM is that a heavy and strong hammer spring is needed to shoot the rifle reliably. JARD recommends their trigger, lightest pull is 4 pounds. JARD has a cool set trigger for ARs (13 oz when set, then revert back to AR pull weight after being fired) but they said it wasn't strong enough for the 17 WSM. So if a 17 Hornet AR comes out that's where I might use that trigger.
Great work👍😎👍 ... the performance on the 1st shot looks slightly underwhelming. That's the point-of-impact, causing a little deception; it was slightly high & to the right.
I'm thinking the WSM would have been closer to the Hornets (20gr bullets)results if the hit had been lower and more to the left/center ,on the block. It seems clear to me the rimfire is hitting high and right in both bullet weights. Hence, the blow-outs. The Hornet hits dead center and the block contains the blast, so to speak. The only shot that actually hit dead center was the Hornet 20gr. The rest missed the paper target sticker completely. Still, we have enough info to know the Hornet is the stronger of the two. It should be, it's designed to be !😉😎
Because you try to punch up in class, not down. The WSM is clearly superior to the HMR. I've been shooting the HMR since the first year it hit the market. Love it and it will reach out and take groundhogs at 150, 175 yards. Fox at 125 to 150, coyote 100 to 125. I'm looking at the WSM for fox and coyote out to 200+. Still considering. Now I'm using center fire for those ranges.
I've been watching your vids... between the 204ruger, 17wsm, 17hornet which round do you like most [accuracy & performance/damage wise]? Love your vids. You do awesome work. Keep em' coming. 👍😎👍
Thank you for your compliments. Much appreciated. the 17 hornet and 204 are BOTH cz 527 varmint models with a set trigger feature. The normal trigger on them breaks at 2.5lbs and in the “set” mode it breaks at just under 1lb. The good trigger on each and extra power of the hornet and 204 come in handy at 200. The wsm is a b-Mag heavy barrel and is a great shooter also but there is a reason I bought a hornet....
I have them both. The WSM gets used for night hunting on fox/coyotes because I can let the brass fly and Im unusually not shooting farther than 150 yards.
The Hornet for day hunting so I can keep the brass for reloading and will go out to 250 yards comfortably
The truly impressive thing is the 17 wsm is a smaller cartridge and still runs with the hornet
That Rimfire is amazing. For half the cost, you get just about the same performance. I think I got to get one of those
You can’t reload a WSM, though. 11 grains of 1680 stretches a pound of the stuff a LONG way!
@@efrey1911 Not everyone reloads or even wants to.🤔🙂
No water jugs were harmed in the making of this video.
Thanks for this. Absolutely mind blowing! I never cease to be amazed by the power of .17 caliber bullets traveling that quickly. I’m a HUGE .17 Hornet and HMR fan but have skipped the WSM due to ammo scarcity and price. This video has me rethinking that. Also contemplating a .17-223. 🤔🧐 You have a new subscriber! 👍
Another very insightful video. Thank you once again!
Thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated. Which one do you think performed the best?
@@outdooradventures1696 Hard to argue against the 17 Hornet's velocity and energy advantage. However I was impressed by the 17 WSM being as capable vs the 17 Hornet as it was. Good showing for the 17 WSM.
In calibers of this relative energy level I like the clay blocks better than ballistic gel as a graphic representation of the energy dump.
I agree with your views and I think others will agree also.
Thanks again for sharing your insights.
I think the clay shows better cavitation than the gel great video 👍👏
Thank you for your compliment and for sharing your views. I think a lot of people will agree with your views once they watch this vid....
Looks like a good choice if you dont want collateral damage from over penetration.
Great for saving fur, too!
WSM is really impressive for a Rimfire.
Agree. And I'm finding that the retail price of the WSM is 1/3 the cost of the Hornet, that is if you can find the Hornet round at retail prices, usually it costs much more. I can get the 17 WSM 25 grain for $0.40 a round at a few of my LGS's almost anytime I want, not many people are buying them.
@Art F and Ryan Marino. Art F makes an excellent point that "on paper" is completely logical and no thinking person could refute. However, once people start shooting the hornet they are no longer the same "thinking people" that they once were. They just loose their mind because of it's euphoric effects on the brain. It just does something to you that is difficult to put into words...
If you are able to own both the wsm and hornet, please do so...
@@outdooradventures1696 I prefer an AR platform, I guess 17 Hornet uppers aren't a thing.
@Art F. If they start to make the hornet as more of a "rimless" cartridge similar to a .223, then you will start to see uppers available for it. In the meantime, the wsm ar platform would be amazing to shoot.
@@outdooradventures1696 I'm waiting for my JARD J72 to come in. JARD and Franklin Armory are the only two semi auto rifle manufacturers left, Volquartson pulled out a few years ago. It seems that one problem with a semi auto 17 WSM is that a heavy and strong hammer spring is needed to shoot the rifle reliably. JARD recommends their trigger, lightest pull is 4 pounds. JARD has a cool set trigger for ARs (13 oz when set, then revert back to AR pull weight after being fired) but they said it wasn't strong enough for the 17 WSM. So if a 17 Hornet AR comes out that's where I might use that trigger.
The 25 gr 17 cal WSM was fairly impressive. For a rimfire indeed. But, the 25 gr hornet was the winner, in my opinion. Cool video
The coyotes think the 25gr and 20gr WSM are both pretty well life changing... I have been there to see the results.
I stand corrected on that looks like that 17 super mags holding right there with the 17 hornet
17wsm is good,but far from as destructive as the 17 Hornet,
17 hornet at 100 yards is like 17 wsm at the muzzle. Deadly
Great work👍😎👍
... the performance on the 1st shot looks slightly underwhelming. That's the point-of-impact, causing a little deception; it was slightly high & to the right.
Thanks, another good and interesting video. Good 100 yard shooting. Take care.
Thank you for checking in. Always good to have the regular viewers weighing in.... Glad you enjoyed it.
Can you do a 17 hornet vs 204 ruger
Nice job. Looks like you’re out west near desert. Which state?
I'm thinking the WSM would have been closer to the Hornets (20gr bullets)results if the hit had been lower and more to the left/center ,on the block. It seems clear to me the rimfire is hitting high and right in both bullet weights. Hence, the blow-outs. The Hornet hits dead center and the block contains the blast, so to speak. The only shot that actually hit dead center was the Hornet 20gr. The rest missed the paper target sticker completely. Still, we have enough info to know the Hornet is the stronger of the two. It should be, it's designed to be !😉😎
The Hornet round wins because of being able to be reloaded.
That seems pretty logical… 👍
Very nice test. How would the 17hmr do on this test, you think?
It wouldn't... I have them all...
Why compare a rimfire with a centerfire. Let's see the 17wsm against the beloved 17hmr. I really like my 17wsm it's hard on crows.
Because you try to punch up in class, not down. The WSM is clearly superior to the HMR. I've been shooting the HMR since the first year it hit the market. Love it and it will reach out and take groundhogs at 150, 175 yards. Fox at 125 to 150, coyote 100 to 125. I'm looking at the WSM for fox and coyote out to 200+. Still considering. Now I'm using center fire for those ranges.
I've been watching your vids... between the 204ruger, 17wsm, 17hornet which round do you like most [accuracy & performance/damage wise]?
Love your vids. You do awesome work. Keep em' coming.
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Thank you for your compliments. Much appreciated. the 17 hornet and 204 are BOTH cz 527 varmint models with a set trigger feature. The normal trigger on them breaks at 2.5lbs and in the “set” mode it breaks at just under 1lb. The good trigger on each and extra power of the hornet and 204 come in handy at 200. The wsm is a b-Mag heavy barrel and is a great shooter also but there is a reason I bought a hornet....
@@outdooradventures1696 and your reason would be
You should see what the .17wsm does to a 1gal vegetable can at 100yrds.
Seems that the Hornets got that bigger of advantage. No need to test
Ty
@Ted Berwick... You are welcome. Glad you liked it.
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Thank you Mr. Denham for your thumbs up...
Thank you also for checking in. Always good to have the regulars weighing in on things...
That's a perfect representation of a surface hit on a coyote with the wsm and the hornet penatrated more before dumping. Ie hornet better for coyote
Is that all that make is vmax for the 17wsm
There has been talks of a 20 grain hollow point and a 15 grain ntx bullet but I do not think either has been released yet...
@@outdooradventures1696 ok can't wait till they come out
I agree...
@@outdooradventures1696 15 grain is out there, I have some.
That proved nothing at all 😂 ballistic gel would’ve been better