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@illol xox Drugs alter perception in a way that affects how you perceive reality, any "evidence" or "Sightings" that comes while high is simply a delusion.
@@josephwayneliang6524 I wouldn't say that. Though I think most of the people that claim they have had some crazy insights on drugs are wrong, I do believe it can widen your perception of things. Like anything that's not related to an external concept or thing is a valid experience imo. Why would you deny that you can learn about yourself and your understanding of things when experiencing extreme states of consciousness? It's pretty common even without drugs. Think about people with near death experiences. As far as I'm concerned you learn from the experiences you make and it would be ignorant to say taking drugs isn't an experience you can learn from.
@@Schlimpiwe My point was that seeing visions of "gHOSTs" or other supernatural Beings while high is not evidence for a supernatural being since some drugs are well, hallucinogens.
It’s not limiting. But science have has a limit. You won’t find empirical evidence for everything. You cannot prove the past happened with empirical evidence.
NR Ramirez i can agree with that to a certain extent but i dont believe we can take her word for being a reincarnated alien as actual proof. however, its not like we can be presented with an alien body or have any physical evidence presented to us just yet, so most people rely on the statistical probability of aliens.
Angelina Lasić I agree, there is also evidence contrary her claim. Because if she’s talking about just the physical realms (by what is empirically observe) , then in this physical realm it’s unlikely for that to happen to her. Unless an alien were to bend the laws of nature and cause someone to be an alien. Then that could be probable, but not reasonable. That would be an “idk” position. But the evidence that’s contrary to her claim would lead to a “no that can’t happen to her” Her parents could also attest that she isn’t an alien. The hospital she was born in can also attest. And I think that astral projection can just be explained away with lucid dreaming.
@@tan1591 There's deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning to determine conclusions. Neither side can really deductive conclude that it is guaranteed she is right or wrong. However, through inductive reasoning I'm pretty sure most rational people would see the vast amount of evidence stacked against the idea of "starseeds" and conclude that it is most probably incorrect and not a real justified belief. I don't think she could even really give much evidence to suggest that it is probable... So I feel like I'm inclined to just see her as being irrational for holding this belief... Anyway, when it comes to the part about proving the past, this is actually a thing in philosophy. It's the Omphalos hypothesis essentially, or the "five-minute hypothesis" the way Bertrand Russell puts it where basically you technically can't prove that the universe and everyone's memories and such were not created as little as even 5 minutes ago... There's various problems with this, but one is just the sheer fact that it is unfalsifiable AND unverifiable through science... That means it's basically on the same level as unicorns and centaurs flying around extremely distant in space... I can argue that it doesn't make sense for there to be space unicorns and space centaurs, but neither of us could really prove or disprove it without being able to see the whole of maybe not even just this universe, but all universes and things that might be similar to universes and so on... Still, if I provide evidence about things like the lack of oxygen and lack of evolutionary evidence and what not to argue why space unicorns and space centaurs PROBABLY don't exist, then if you're a rational thinker you should probably be able to come to agreement that these things PROBABLY don't exist... That doesn't mean they don't exist, but like unless you have some weird inductive reasoning of your own to provide for why these things PROBABLY do exist, the inductive reasoning should be able to get us both as rational thinkers to the same conclusion... Obviously the starseed thing probably isn't QUITE as ridiculous as space unicorns and space centaurs, but all the same I'm pretty sure if you went into a long debate over the topic then assuming you're both thinking rationally and not like emotionally tied to the idea or anything and haven't made it like a part of your identity or something like that to bias yourself into believing in spite of logic, then I'm pretty sure both people would quite easily come to the conclusion that it's ridiculous... I mean, I guess you could get into question what is considered 'evidence' to support inductive reasoning when it comes to things like the raven's paradox where a green apple could arguably be proof of ravens being black, but that's a whole other rabbit hole to go down...
Some people really can't comprehend that scientists aren't afraid to say "I don't know." That's the point of science: to figure out the unknown through evidence.
@@imjaysn8743 frankly i think that mental state is an extension of physicality. the fact that chemicals can alter perception suggest this, and our brains, like in many other organisms, heavily depend on this capability to enable life-promoting feats
imjaysn Neuroscience, the study of dark matter, most of physics focus on the study and analysis of the non-physical. I feel like people have a perceived notion of the scientific community that could easily be broken with research into the community instead of around it.
The one believer dude wasn't so bad (the guy who wasn't talking about shrooms). Maybe someone played a prank on him and forgot to tell him or maybe he hit his head and hallucinated or maybe it was simply true but he didn't seem like someone who was willing to go out of his way to prove his point of view. The other two however....
You can trust the government but only sometimes. I trust the government will act like it always has. I'm not convinced they are trying to cover anything up when it comes to ufos, and I think the aliens are emerging from their quarantine from us, encouraging us to move closer to full disclosure, but humanity is probably not ready for it yet. It's like a state of denial/immaturity.
@@milospollonia1121 Why? I am exploring starseed origins and I am a really fascinating person to talk to. So tired of people conflating mental illness with exploring the expansion of consciousness. Those who do that, clearly have not intersected with someone with actual mental illness...
@Luke Groundwalker they're saying that because she thinks shes some alien reincarnate or crap like that. Not that she thinks shes an alien to other aliens.
yeah, and guy really doesn't understand that it doesn't widen the reality but just changing brain chemistry and making you think and feel in new ways. In a way i understand his point. You can't really say that it isn't real.. because he does feel it.. but then again, it is still just reactions happening inside your brain. It is real for him, but not real as a grand reality
It’s an interesting topic because so many things in our lives do things to our brains. Watching TV, playing video games, the food we eat, the music we listen to, the way we move, the things we’re taught. Some may say that these drugs can help to undo some of our conditioning from life. I don’t know enough about hallucinogens and whether there is an eternal truth to the experiences we have. But I do know that most things in our lives affect our brains and therefore affect the way we see and perceive this world.
Juwarra I totally get what u mean and yes it could be the psychedelics messing with our brain and making us see stuff but my best friends dad was born blind from birth and he tried dmt and was able to see visuals it was insane.
Well yes, but like some things will "slow down" your thinking patterns theres no reason to believe that some thing will accelerate them or even make your brain able to "compute" information it normally ignores in your perception and that's what hes getting at. Now does this prove anything? No abolutely not, but it also cant be disproven
Dragon flies and shrimp even bees see varying spectrums of light, it’s all in front of us but when on psychedelics you’re able to see from a different perspective that is going on in front of you
Red hair girl: I used CLAIRVOYANCE, kUNDALINI AWAKENING and ASTRAL PROJECTION to travel through the universe Yes, but are they like different drugs or different flavors of the same drug? 🤔
There is actual scientific research into DMT not being a traditional hallucinogen but rather a compound that may remove your brains filters of perception of reality, meaning that what you experience on DMT might very well be real. This research is especially done by psychologists, neuroscientists, and pharmacists. So yeah it's not as easy to debunk everything.
They can’t be easily explained though, which is exactly what makes them out of the ordinary. The current research on psychedelics is extremely scarce because of the legalities of researching illegal substances. There have been studies that used mushrooms on cancer patients for example, and they found that a large sum of the patients came to terms with their mortality of death. They did another study on clinically depressed patients and they found that mushrooms were extremely effective in treating their depression long term. But they don’t know why. You can look at all the parts of the brain that fire when someone is on these substance, you watch the levels of the neurotransmitters fluctuate, but that will give you very little insight on what the person is actually experiencing. People are quick to write off psychedelic experiences as “hallucinations” which they are, but they’re extremely complex hallucinations that take place in all 5 senses, that cannot be imagined, and can only be experienced within a specific state of consciousness. The point I’m trying to make here is you shouldn’t judge people for coming to irrational conclusions based off of these drug experiences, they’re trying to explain experiences that are insanely complex. And science has yet to explain it either. But we’re working on it. Sources: Google “John Hopkins mushroom depression study” , I can’t link it here due to spam
Ya, quite the opposite. Modern neuroscience is actually experiencing something of a revolution right now that is finding a lot of these crackpot ideas to have some validity. Expanded perception is like a fish coming out of water, seeing the rest of the world, then going back in to the pond and all the other fish not believing there is anything beyond the pond. The problem is that even the fish that left the pond doesn't really have the ability to comprehend it, so he comes up with all sorts of absurd explanations, that only make his case more unbelievable. This is how you get the guy in the video.
The statement "science is based on perception" actually angers me. The fact that mathematicians, physicists, researchers, and scientists have dedicated their life's work to observing natural phenomena and deriving equations based off scientific evidence and their accomplishments are being undermined by a woman who thinks she's a star seed. Were these people drug tested before coming onto the show?
Doctors have handed out vaccines they claimed to be safe and then years down the road find out it was contaminated with cancer causing agents, hint the polio vaccine given out around 1970. Much of science, doctors, and more is based on perception because it is trial and error and still continues to be because not everything works for everyone. It’s like doctors have claimed being vegan is unhealthy yet for some people being vegan saved their lives. It is perception
Man, that guy was like Spencer! Ma man! Get high so that you can see these two crazy people that which totally exist and not just because your high! Lol
Math would agree with her, ask a college professor to create equation that proves 2+2=5. Obviously I know it's four it's just how you perceive numbers in equation.
@@HIKOL_Nightcore mankind has to agree on basic things, words meaning and evidences to think clearly, communicate and to adapt to this planet. We would have built nothing nor made any progress if we were saying "it's all about your subjective perception".
@@jessygt4414 Actually scientific theories started as subjective perception, that's why there's more than one e.g. evolution, big bang etc. We've just decided or managed to prove one instead of another which doesn't necessarily mean they're correct, they are only most likely to be correct. If scientists blindly followed past discoveries instead of expanding or questioning them we wouldn't progress either. Obviously I was only replying to above comment, she's mental for sure, they always pick one nut-job so people in the comments view specific side badly.
I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY u know that how... if they really could, then there would be no one that could say “aliens wiped my memory” because their memory would be wiped.
@I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY they might, and might not, you should trust your governmet (really depends on where you are living tho), but to an extent, because they can/are lying about some things.
Lol naw, i have to add that because we need to do 3,000 hours to get an independent license otherwise we just work under someone elses for the few years.
An Infowar Stoner Guy, and a Weird New Age "Spiritual" Blogger who thinks she's some type of alien Being on Earth. Where the heck do they find these people?
tragoedia veritas it’s obvious though. Plus, in the men’s rights vs feminism episode, one of the men there recorded everything and uploaded it, I never heard it, but I’ve been told that the men’s rights side made a lot of good points.
They all have a strange view on aliens. I believe the definition of “alien” is any life outside of earth. It doesn’t need to be dorky looking green people. An alien could be as simple as a plant found on a different planet.
Here's my problem with this topic: the perception of what aliens are or what aliens could be is extremely damaged/molded by pop culture, such as movies, that portray them in a certain way. How do we know that aliens aren't just a blade of grass, or microscopic bacteria under a rock? How do we know the aliens aren't just little space ants crawling like the bugs here on Earth? I don't take people who believe in aliens seriously enough, or believe they are extensively educated on this, because they always picture aliens in the same way, and don't understand that aliens could literally be anything, they don't have to have human intelligence or be able to move around - Plants can't move and they aren't intelligent, but they are alive. If it's so hard for us to explore and travel space, then why must we assume that it is easy for aliens to explore and travel that same space that we live in? Maybe aliens are having just as hard of a time as we are, trying to create world peace between them and trying to figure out how to travel space. Until then, I don't believe in aliens in the same way most people do.
Edit: 4.6 billion years ago Mars looked like Earth now. Mars was filled with oceans, lakes and had rain. During this period, Earth was still transforming, it was still made of lava and had asteroids crashing on it. It's highly likely that Mars had life on it in the form of bacteria or microorganisms in the water. The period theorized and known as the Late Heavy Bombardment saw both Earth and Mars being hit with asteroids that would forever change the course of life. Sadly for Mars, soon after this period it lost its magnetic field too quickly and its atmosphere weakened, drying up the water and turning it into the arid red planet we know today. During this same time, Earth was beginning to settle, water appeared and continents formed. Did life evolve on Earth on its own? Or is it possible that the asteroids hitting Earth were carrying bacteria from other solar systems? Were some of these asteroids from Mars? Are we actually aliens or maybe even Martians? To answer your question: Do aliens exist? Yes. Whether it is in the form of vegetation such as plants, insects or other developed beings, the possibilities are endless. There are very old solar systems in the universe, and new solar systems that are being born everyday. It is not hard to imagine some of the older systems had the right conditions for life to thrive and have aliens evolve into intelligent beings who figured out how to travel through galaxies. Yet who are we to say that life needs water and oxygen? We have seen life thrive here on Earth in the craziest of environments! Btw, the documentary I'm talking about is called BBC The Planets: The Two Sisters (episode 2 out of the 5). It's beautifully done. I highly recommend it. 💜
I can't believe that no one has mentioned Dominic yet! He was reasonable, respectful and brought up many good points. Would love to see him on another episode.
I don't if it's just me but if someone claims they saw aliens and right after that they start to talk about drugs and mushrooms... I'm gonna have a hard time believing them
I can’t imagine being the older gentleman listening to the guy saying drugs caused him to “see” real aliens. Hallucinations are things that you think you’re seeing but aren’t real. He kinda debunked his own beliefs in a way. This episode was so frustrating to hear the lack of evidence on the believers side and hearing them keep cutting off the skeptics.
Yeah and I think what Dominic said at the end is very true. If we accept that idea of hallucinations being the "truth," then we have to credit people with schizophrenia and all these other mental issues that cause them seeing things. It's real for them, but it's all on their head. Hallucinations are not tangible things. An acid trip that takes you to another dimension is not evidence. I kinda feel sorry for these people that think they are on another dimensions when they take drugs. Just shows how dangerous drugs are. I feel like the guy with the white shirt has created this reality in his mind that he can attain only getting high, and he and the girl have immersed themselves so much into their realities that for them it's so logical.
I was nodding my head when Dominic was making his points. Man. His points made me proud. Also Spencer is just amazing. Both these guys perfectly portrayed the skeptic and rational side of this debate. ♥️
@@kaosaechao56 Um, buddy, a rape victim no matter how drunk or drugged out would still pass a rape kit exam. There's actual physical evidence for it, unlike a hallucination caused by psychedelic drugs.
My take is simple: I choose to think there are others out there in the ever-expanding vastness of space doing what it takes to survive or wondering the same; it just comforts me to think so.
They should have gotten a believer who was not high, annoying, or spiritual. Because I feel that there could have been a much better argument with highly educated believers [which there are].
I feel like that’s the case for a lot of the series here in which a scrutinized minority has to defend themselves (climate change deniers, flat earthers, etc. and less fantastical topics like socialism vs capitalism.) they always get rather unprepared people
Why? She was respectful, kind and listened to their point of view, even when she had a different perspective. Shouldn't they have offered her the same respect? Oh yeh, they did, but you aren't...
Starseed: “I’ve visited multiple dimensions through the astrally projected kundalini awakening in which I gained clairvoyant superpowers including water bending through the avatar state”
As someone with schizophrenia i actually appreciated the skeptic who brought up schizophrenia. I think way more people have hallucinated than we realize and that doesn't mean it's real.
@@cd-ee9mf What exactly makes you different from a regular person aside from "astral projection" and things that are only mental? Do you have no actual physical differences, like your brain waves are different under a EEG, or you have some kind of unique disorder? Cause from what I gather from this the only difference is things that only you can see and nobody else can experience.
What I love about smart people is when they talk about a certain topic and have technical word they willing to short explain it in a way so that other people does not look 'less smart'. in short smart=humble. Spencer is a smart guy.
"In science, we don't say there ARE or, ARE NOT - We don't say there WAS/IS - we say there could be/could have been - " Mmmm...that's the kind of well-worded argument/point that is an absolute pleasure to hear. Sometimes we all forget that skeptism, in it's purest form, is not necessarily an indicator of polar opposition to 'For' beliefs/arguments, especially not in any way confrontational/invalidating. There is always a 'FOR', theres always an 'AGAINST', and then there's 'Science', sitting on some fence like a weirdo, with a pair of binoculars to suss out both sides
And they got soooo defensive and literally glided over his point, like he wasn't trying to disregard or dismiss anything, he was attempting to explain how scientists merely request for evidence instead of taking things blindly because that is the better productive approach. Smh the believers made me hella embarassed
Sahan N I really like that quote, but I think some people get it caught up in it and think there is a are and are not. This doesn’t just apply to this video but other videos, theories, etc.
They should do a “HEATED” version of this where they either don’t stop people from talking at all or just extend the length of each discussion. I really don’t like when someone is saying something interesting and they get cut off and I’m just thinking of all the possibilities.
Bc it would escalate the situation and eventually everyone would start talking over each other so in the end you still would not get the rest of an interesting sentence/thought.
Dominic was so respectful and gave evidence with all his statements, i was in awe . I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about him in the comments !
fr I love how he's firm in his own belief, but he also thinks enough about other ideas to be able to talk using their words. That said, epistemology is fun!
I believe in paranormal things and magic. But, she was throwing out every insane belief left and right. Not even explaining what they are. Like seriously, show me a fact or article that relates to what you believe in. Don’t just repeat yourself endlessly and expect people to go along with it.
petition for Jubilee to create another channel called "Full-bilee" where they upload the unedited versions of these episodes. I know sometimes i'd just like to hear the participants get heated and just have it in on in the background for a few hours. kind of like a podcast
So I realized alot of people thought we would not believe in aliens on the skeptic side. we all do, the issue if jubilee said no aliens vs aliens. It would strictly be a religious debate. So its more interesting from this perspective to learn about those different types who think aliens are real too.
I feel like the believer side didn’t include people with a strong scientific or journalistic background. There are certainly more professional individuals who can make a different type of argument than a podcast host who had a psychedelic experience, an IT guy who saw a UFO (not the same thing as aliens and a personal experience alone is not sufficient evidence), and a woman who’s unsuccessfully trying to make a spiritual argument for the existence of aliens.
Ya I consider myself to be a believer of alien life forms. That doesn't mean that I believe with 100% certainty that they have had contact with humans. If the universe is as endless as scientists say it would be impossible for earth to be the only planet with life. I also subscribe to the simulation theory though, it makes more sense than any other universe theory (in my opinion), it isn't a fringe theory either, many reputable scientists believe in it. So idk if I would be considered a skeptic or believer for the purpose of this video, but I will argue if someone states flatly that aliens don't exist.
Yeah there's nothing super valuable here now 😂... Although if they could time travel, maybe they could get Albert Einstein or something... Edit: I wonder if they would affected by COVID tho...
that was the biggest problem for me, yeah you can say it the first time and I'll try to understand, but to announce it on EVERY PROMPT is too irritating.
True,if I was an alien that got reincarnated I wouldn't go around saying"hey Im an alien reincarnation". But she might keep announcing it so people won't believe her and she live can her happy reincarnated life.
@@seanoconnell7080 Saying it on the internet is ok, because of being anonymous I am a star seed but I would never tell anyone. outside the internet, the average person will not understand.
Wow there was someone for everyone here. You’ve got the ‘Aliens are real because I identify as one’ mixed in with ‘just take shrooms man’ along with hyperskeptic ‘science only’...what a trip!
Hyperskeptic scoence guy? He is not hyperskeptic, just reasonable. He says it could be true, but there is no evidence for it. That is the single most reasonable position you could have
As someone who believes in aliens, I love that we have two astronomers on the skeptic side and on the believer side we have Greg, who's here for the vibes, Luke, who is certifiably "not a fibber" and Lauren, who is spiritually awoken... great
Meh, sure he is on the side of science, but he's unwilling to have a genuine dialogue and admit that even science can lead people to the wrong conclusions...
@I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY but if you have evidence it is more likely to be true but if you see something that nobody else ever saw without any kind of evidence than you are most likely to be false
Yeah if you claim to be a "starseed extraterrestrial" how have you not seen a ufo? Surely you would of made it to earth in one by yourself. Lady is crazy!
@@nilsdula7693 Thats why i was conflicted on the question "have you seen a UFO?". Like, im pretty sure everyone has, there are videos on UFOs, simple being an unidentified flying object, not necessarily an alien ship. On the other side of that though, when you are talking about aliens, I feel like using the ACTUAL definition of UFO to be wrong because you know they more or less mean "alien ship" and not just a flying object that isnt identified.
The fact that the believers kept saying that scientists only try to prove people wrong but then they sit on the other side of that spectrum makes me mad. The non believers had open minds and said they don’t want to jump to conclusions, that they can to use facts to get to conclusions, but then the believers are just assuming things and saying they’re right. When the one guy said people used to think thunder was god the believers should have thought for a second, but instead they wouldn’t even listen to that. That one sentence basically debunked their entire point.
Lizzy Hennegan Lets be honest here.. Everyone thought the planet was flat even though Isaac Newton proved that theory to be completely false. It was also reportedly proven during Ancient Greek times too. People that are ignorant will believe whatever they want despite facts
The point of science is to keep looking for ways to disprove a theory. A theory is only good as long as it passes tests. This is why scientists 'disprove' theories, not to contradict people who are believers lol. Besides, one can never totally disprove a theory as there is always more to learn and test. This is exactly the point of the two skeptic guys, science works in statistics.
See, all I know is that aliens definitely exist. There's no way that humans are the only race in the entire universe. But the problem is that we neither have evidence to prove this, nor the contrary. We're just stuck in between.
@@JewTube001 and what business would alines from a billion light years away have with our primitive society. we all have different views and religions and cultures and other things that divide us, and not like our tanks and anti aircrafts would do much against whatever plasma cannons they have on their UFOS. i think if aliens are real, and came here, they visited us back in the 60’s when alien movies were popping up everywhere, found nothing interesting and moved onto the next star system.
If you just look at the size of the entire universe and galaxy there’s no way you can truly believe that we are the only ones out there. Whether it’s aliens or just human beings on another planet, there has to be life out there I believe it
I guess but the experiences can feel more real then reality and it is still unknown how it operates on the brain, some say that it allows you to peek behind the curtain ect
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Linet Wanjohi I was intrigued you said when you said religion and science can be limited or has its limits. I wish you touched on that a bit more or had more opportunity to share your opinion or views
There is no real logic in the argument, so its kinda set up against them. The only evidence I, or any logical person, will accept is actual proof of an alien. I believe there can be aliens, not necessarily green creatures with antenna, but a life form on another planet. If they find an alien, do tests, find out its real and so n such.
@@brandipityha9457 let's be real, if YOU found actual evidence, or you got visited by them, as the people here believe, you would now have proof and yet people will still call you crazy
@@AnymMusic No, I mean proof as in aliens come to earth and talk to us. Like Roger from American Dad kind of proof, not a "oh, i got a picture!" proof.
@@AnymMusic single peoples experiences aren't proof, especially people like this. If there was any normal people claiming that maybe I'd believe some of it. But their stories are not believable in any way I'm sorry. These people here are either on drugs or have mental illnesses so you definitely can't trust them. When looking at these "believers" you'll start to notice a pattern, they're not normal people.
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Every time that "star seed" lady started talking they had to put up a million definitions of what she was saying
Corbin Forselius Can you even call them definitions 😂
Lauren is just a mystical Karen.
and i kinda liked that, really, it's just some cool new curiosities, it's nice to see those perspectives, pretty interesting
@@feiti5879 it's literally a mental issue.
@@zerzim3785 It's literally not, tho 😂 They're just (typically) spiritual beliefs. No weirder in the long run than Jesus being sacrificed for sin.
Let’s be real, that guy just wants everyone to take shrooms
Yeah, having a stoner on the side of the believers ain't lending them any credibility.
@illol xox Drugs alter perception in a way that affects how you perceive reality, any "evidence" or "Sightings" that comes while high is simply a delusion.
@@josephwayneliang6524 I wouldn't say that. Though I think most of the people that claim they have had some crazy insights on drugs are wrong, I do believe it can widen your perception of things. Like anything that's not related to an external concept or thing is a valid experience imo. Why would you deny that you can learn about yourself and your understanding of things when experiencing extreme states of consciousness? It's pretty common even without drugs. Think about people with near death experiences. As far as I'm concerned you learn from the experiences you make and it would be ignorant to say taking drugs isn't an experience you can learn from.
@@Schlimpiwe My point was that seeing visions of "gHOSTs" or other supernatural Beings while high is not evidence for a supernatural being since some drugs are well, hallucinogens.
Is there something wrong with that ?
“show us evidence “
starseed girl: “but thats limiting”
lmao what
It’s not limiting. But science have has a limit. You won’t find empirical evidence for everything. You cannot prove the past happened with empirical evidence.
NR Ramirez i can agree with that to a certain extent but i dont believe we can take her word for being a reincarnated alien as actual proof. however, its not like we can be presented with an alien body or have any physical evidence presented to us just yet, so most people rely on the statistical probability of aliens.
Angelina Lasić I agree, there is also evidence contrary her claim. Because if she’s talking about just the physical realms (by what is empirically observe) , then in this physical realm it’s unlikely for that to happen to her.
Unless an alien were to bend the laws of nature and cause someone to be an alien. Then that could be probable, but not reasonable. That would be an “idk” position. But the evidence that’s contrary to her claim would lead to a “no that can’t happen to her”
Her parents could also attest that she isn’t an alien. The hospital she was born in can also attest.
And I think that astral projection can just be explained away with lucid dreaming.
@Nobody Wtf
@@tan1591 There's deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning to determine conclusions. Neither side can really deductive conclude that it is guaranteed she is right or wrong. However, through inductive reasoning I'm pretty sure most rational people would see the vast amount of evidence stacked against the idea of "starseeds" and conclude that it is most probably incorrect and not a real justified belief. I don't think she could even really give much evidence to suggest that it is probable... So I feel like I'm inclined to just see her as being irrational for holding this belief...
Anyway, when it comes to the part about proving the past, this is actually a thing in philosophy. It's the Omphalos hypothesis essentially, or the "five-minute hypothesis" the way Bertrand Russell puts it where basically you technically can't prove that the universe and everyone's memories and such were not created as little as even 5 minutes ago... There's various problems with this, but one is just the sheer fact that it is unfalsifiable AND unverifiable through science... That means it's basically on the same level as unicorns and centaurs flying around extremely distant in space... I can argue that it doesn't make sense for there to be space unicorns and space centaurs, but neither of us could really prove or disprove it without being able to see the whole of maybe not even just this universe, but all universes and things that might be similar to universes and so on... Still, if I provide evidence about things like the lack of oxygen and lack of evolutionary evidence and what not to argue why space unicorns and space centaurs PROBABLY don't exist, then if you're a rational thinker you should probably be able to come to agreement that these things PROBABLY don't exist... That doesn't mean they don't exist, but like unless you have some weird inductive reasoning of your own to provide for why these things PROBABLY do exist, the inductive reasoning should be able to get us both as rational thinkers to the same conclusion...
Obviously the starseed thing probably isn't QUITE as ridiculous as space unicorns and space centaurs, but all the same I'm pretty sure if you went into a long debate over the topic then assuming you're both thinking rationally and not like emotionally tied to the idea or anything and haven't made it like a part of your identity or something like that to bias yourself into believing in spite of logic, then I'm pretty sure both people would quite easily come to the conclusion that it's ridiculous...
I mean, I guess you could get into question what is considered 'evidence' to support inductive reasoning when it comes to things like the raven's paradox where a green apple could arguably be proof of ravens being black, but that's a whole other rabbit hole to go down...
Jubilee: Have you ever actually seen a UFO or an alien?
Greg: Let me tell you about this wild drug trip I once had. 😂
Greg: opens his mouth
Jubilee: “Jubilee does not encourage recreational use of drugs.”
"But that's limiting!!!!"
New drinking game: Take a shot every time she says starseed.
She found something that would make her feel special and made it her entire identity. I feel bad for her friends who have to listen to that.
No thanks I like living.
Bus Jackson you don’t even know her
@@dhdh2918 correction: she *made up* something to make her feel special lol
Pi is irrational i knew people were gonna fry her in the comments for this 😂
Some people really can't comprehend that scientists aren't afraid to say "I don't know." That's the point of science: to figure out the unknown through evidence.
@@imjaysn8743 frankly i think that mental state is an extension of physicality. the fact that chemicals can alter perception suggest this, and our brains, like in many other organisms, heavily depend on this capability to enable life-promoting feats
@@imjaysn8743 quantum physics though
Yah im a big fan of the fermi-paradox. Big denier over here!
imjaysn Neuroscience, the study of dark matter, most of physics focus on the study and analysis of the non-physical. I feel like people have a perceived notion of the scientific community that could easily be broken with research into the community instead of around it.
I agree. I just also think there are still assumptions that scientists subscribe to, but for some reason are unable to admit are assumptions.
As soon as Lauren said she was an starseed i knew i had to check the comment section.
yea
same here
LMFAO
"I'm a star seed!" X 10000000
Hi, im a starseed too
You can tell the older guy started to get annoyed and really, I don't blame him.
he was there in flat earthers vs. scientists
maybe he is just really tired arguing as a physicist
@Rosário Figueiredo we heard the science side of things in school. I want to see what the anti-vaxxers and the flat earthers think.
Science is now just a matter of perception, gotcha lol
@@J11_boohoo or having a discussion with idiots
Any reasonable person would be annoyed talking to such stubborn idiots.
The believers are literally turning me into a skeptic the second hand embarrassment lordd
Yeah same, I mean aliens may have visited earth but the way the believers were representing the 'believers' was atrocious.
The one believer dude wasn't so bad (the guy who wasn't talking about shrooms). Maybe someone played a prank on him and forgot to tell him or maybe he hit his head and hallucinated or maybe it was simply true but he didn't seem like someone who was willing to go out of his way to prove his point of view. The other two however....
@ I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY you have proof of aliens? Can we see it.
I find the starseed girl being very intelligent, most people are not ready to hear such things that’s why her position is a dangerous one
Yeah I'm a believe but I ain't like these people at all made me cringe. I'm more of in between now lmao.
you know the old guy has met thousands of 'starseeds'
And he has had enough of that by now lol
Stop making fun of his beliefs
@@13gudadod No one did that.
Nicolaus Volentius wtf are u on about
Bengofo look at the comment section. Everyone is making fun of her.
"Cant trust the government"
"Wow Look at this alien ufo footage the government released. That settles it." 😂😂
Bro RIGHT! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
UFO footage that was conveniently released when the US military created a multibillion dollar Space Force.
You can trust the government but only sometimes. I trust the government will act like it always has. I'm not convinced they are trying to cover anything up when it comes to ufos, and I think the aliens are emerging from their quarantine from us, encouraging us to move closer to full disclosure, but humanity is probably not ready for it yet. It's like a state of denial/immaturity.
It's not a black and white answer
person: hey how was your day today?
lauren: im a starseed
2018
Sir.
"Is Ma'am!"
2049
Ma'am
"Its Starseed!"
but that’s not vEgAn
starseed's don't experience this weird concept of a day, they experience ALL OF LIFE.
Bold of you to assume anyone would want to talk to her
@@milospollonia1121 Why? I am exploring starseed origins and I am a really fascinating person to talk to. So tired of people conflating mental illness with exploring the expansion of consciousness. Those who do that, clearly have not intersected with someone with actual mental illness...
“Jumping to conclusions is a little far fetched” - Person who thinks she is an Alien
ur very closed minded
Imagine what her parents think
@Luke Groundwalker they're saying that because she thinks shes some alien reincarnate or crap like that. Not that she thinks shes an alien to other aliens.
@Luke Groundwalker we aren't aliens because we originated here
Turtle_Lord97 also thats exactly what they were trying to say when she said that, she was proving the other side’s point lol
Whenever Greg talked:
“Jubilee does not encourage the recreational use of drugs”
Thank you! I was looking for this comment, haha
Lol 1200 people saw this, liked it and kept scrolling
@@5392Guitars5706 lmao, this comment wasn't here 4 days ago for me
I still don't understand why someone can take his/her own hallucination causes by the drugs and be like "yes aliens are real" lol
YOUR PROFILE PICTURE IS ABSOLUTELY LEGENDARY
"We don't have physical evidence."
"YOU TRIED DRUGS THO?"
Lmao
😂😂😂😂
Lol 😂 I'm dying of laugh !
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isn't the whole point of psychedelics that they do stuff to your brain...
yeah, and guy really doesn't understand that it doesn't widen the reality but just changing brain chemistry and making you think and feel in new ways. In a way i understand his point. You can't really say that it isn't real.. because he does feel it.. but then again, it is still just reactions happening inside your brain. It is real for him, but not real as a grand reality
It’s an interesting topic because so many things in our lives do things to our brains. Watching TV, playing video games, the food we eat, the music we listen to, the way we move, the things we’re taught. Some may say that these drugs can help to undo some of our conditioning from life. I don’t know enough about hallucinogens and whether there is an eternal truth to the experiences we have. But I do know that most things in our lives affect our brains and therefore affect the way we see and perceive this world.
Juwarra I totally get what u mean and yes it could be the psychedelics messing with our brain and making us see stuff but my best friends dad was born blind from birth and he tried dmt and was able to see visuals it was insane.
Well yes, but like some things will "slow down" your thinking patterns theres no reason to believe that some thing will accelerate them or even make your brain able to "compute" information it normally ignores in your perception and that's what hes getting at. Now does this prove anything? No abolutely not, but it also cant be disproven
Dragon flies and shrimp even bees see varying spectrums of light, it’s all in front of us but when on psychedelics you’re able to see from a different perspective that is going on in front of you
Red hair girl: I used CLAIRVOYANCE, kUNDALINI AWAKENING and ASTRAL PROJECTION to travel through the universe
Yes, but are they like different drugs or different flavors of the same drug? 🤔
jeez what is wrong with people
She sounds pretty narcissistic. She just had to find something that would make her feel special.
Lmao
@@dhdh2918 Honestly i was open to hearing all perspectives untill she started saying the heart center is smarter than the brain... huh??!?
Astral projection has been scientifically proven
I think it would be cool if y'all do "Are ghost real" middle ground.
omg yes
And re-invite the scientific guy again because he investigated this for a long time.
I feel like it would just be like this one, the "believers" just throwing anecdote after anecdote and the non believers just asking for real evidence
The guys from Unsolved should be innit
I'm good. Spirits are life energies and energy can never evaporate it transition.
Starseed girl : *speaks*
Jubilee : yo search it search it
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am I the only 1 that didn't need to......
Starseed gal was only there to tell everyone she was a starseed.
Hailey Jo Jenson did we even get an explanation of what the heck a star seed is
she sounds delusional
"Jubilee does not encourage recreation use of drugs."
Mer _ timestamp?
Karma ELO 24:06 lol
Karma ELO also every other time that dude brings up the power of shrooms haha
And we thought they were cool
*the recreational*
This is so funny seeing this older guy getting annoyed by these millennials
I think most of us were..
This episode really needed a neuroscientist. These “out-of-the-ordinary experiences” from drug use can be easily explained with some brain science.
There is actual scientific research into DMT not being a traditional hallucinogen but rather a compound that may remove your brains filters of perception of reality, meaning that what you experience on DMT might very well be real.
This research is especially done by psychologists, neuroscientists, and pharmacists.
So yeah it's not as easy to debunk everything.
@@user-mk5vj5bf3j give source
They can’t be easily explained though, which is exactly what makes them out of the ordinary. The current research on psychedelics is extremely scarce because of the legalities of researching illegal substances.
There have been studies that used mushrooms on cancer patients for example, and they found that a large sum of the patients came to terms with their mortality of death.
They did another study on clinically depressed patients and they found that mushrooms were extremely effective in treating their depression long term.
But they don’t know why. You can look at all the parts of the brain that fire when someone is on these substance, you watch the levels of the neurotransmitters fluctuate, but that will give you very little insight on what the person is actually experiencing.
People are quick to write off psychedelic experiences as “hallucinations” which they are, but they’re extremely complex hallucinations that take place in all 5 senses, that cannot be imagined, and can only be experienced within a specific state of consciousness.
The point I’m trying to make here is you shouldn’t judge people for coming to irrational conclusions based off of these drug experiences, they’re trying to explain experiences that are insanely complex. And science has yet to explain it either. But we’re working on it.
Sources: Google “John Hopkins mushroom depression study” , I can’t link it here due to spam
Ya, quite the opposite. Modern neuroscience is actually experiencing something of a revolution right now that is finding a lot of these crackpot ideas to have some validity. Expanded perception is like a fish coming out of water, seeing the rest of the world, then going back in to the pond and all the other fish not believing there is anything beyond the pond. The problem is that even the fish that left the pond doesn't really have the ability to comprehend it, so he comes up with all sorts of absurd explanations, that only make his case more unbelievable. This is how you get the guy in the video.
@@mikebarnacle1469 source
That starseed girl looks like she just got high, watched star wars and came to the show.
Your comment is SOOO accurate lmao
Don’t do Star Wars dirty like that
Nobody absolutely nobody:
Greg: have you tried using drugs to see aliens?
😂
He should be on the Joe Rogan podcast
@@kvaldez46 I wonder if there is elves somewhere that see machine humans when they smoke DMT
I wish i had some. Totally would
BYE- 😭🤚🏾
Nobody:
Starseed Girl: "Astral Projection, Kundalini Awakening, Clairvoyant"
Girl...
I think she's lost lol
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Don't forget "starseed" "spiritual awakening" LMAOOO
I bet she thinks shiny rocks gives her energy 😂
She took tons of the shady dudes shrooms.
The statement "science is based on perception" actually angers me. The fact that mathematicians, physicists, researchers, and scientists have dedicated their life's work to observing natural phenomena and deriving equations based off scientific evidence and their accomplishments are being undermined by a woman who thinks she's a star seed.
Were these people drug tested before coming onto the show?
Yeah lauren really annoyed and irritated me.. She continuous to cut that older guy just to say "its perception"...i was like WHAT!?
I feel you on this 💯
I agree, these guys took drugs and then were claiming that they've seen aliens 👽😳
There’s been a lot of beliefs from scientists FDA and more that have been proven untrue
Doctors have handed out vaccines they claimed to be safe and then years down the road find out it was contaminated with cancer causing agents, hint the polio vaccine given out around 1970. Much of science, doctors, and more is based on perception because it is trial and error and still continues to be because not everything works for everyone. It’s like doctors have claimed being vegan is unhealthy yet for some people being vegan saved their lives. It is perception
Lauren is on some shi, if they search her house that’s 5 years easily.
I’m weeeeeeeeak asfffffff😂😂😂
Hahahahah
hahahah
Bruh moment
outta pocket LMFAO
Greg: *speaking about drugs*
Editor: "Come on Greg, not again.."
Editor: Jubilee does not encourage recreational use of drugs
Johhy literally just read this comment with precisely 420 likes!!! 😆
that was so funny
Spencer: I have never seen aliens
Greg: You should try observing them on DMT
Throw in LSD while you at it.
One of the stupidest thing that came out from this.
Man, that guy was like
Spencer! Ma man! Get high so that you can see these two crazy people that which totally exist and not just because your high!
Lol
the things Joe Rogan does to people
great argument...
Greg is the greggiest greg who has ever gregged.
Spencer is the most reasonable and honest guy tbh.
Poor guy had to put up with flat earthers in another middle ground
Not really...
@@omarespinoza6884 did you like your own comment?
@@osterhus4 - you know he did.
Dominic was also very reasonable
Spencer: 2+2=4
Starseed girl: No that’s reality based on your perception
Chelsea C LOL... right?!? 😂
Math would agree with her, ask a college professor to create equation that proves 2+2=5. Obviously I know it's four it's just how you perceive numbers in equation.
@@HIKOL_Nightcore mankind has to agree on basic things, words meaning and evidences to think clearly, communicate and to adapt to this planet. We would have built nothing nor made any progress if we were saying "it's all about your subjective perception".
@@jessygt4414 Actually scientific theories started as subjective perception, that's why there's more than one e.g. evolution, big bang etc. We've just decided or managed to prove one instead of another which doesn't necessarily mean they're correct, they are only most likely to be correct. If scientists blindly followed past discoveries instead of expanding or questioning them we wouldn't progress either. Obviously I was only replying to above comment, she's mental for sure, they always pick one nut-job so people in the comments view specific side badly.
ok but technically she would be right cause math is a system that was created by humans
"If they can wipe peoples memories...." TF? Is she getting her evidence from Men in Black??
I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣
I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY u know that how... if they really could, then there would be no one that could say “aliens wiped my memory” because their memory would be wiped.
wtf She thinks shes from space and thinks she was born on another planet
She got those ideas from Netflix hahahhahahahahah
@I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY they might, and might not, you should trust your governmet (really depends on where you are living tho), but to an extent, because they can/are lying about some things.
*Spencer* : Where’s the physical evidence?
*Greg* : Drugs
“Jubilee does not encourage recreational use of drugs” they showed that literally every time the guy in the beanie talked 😂
Pretty sure half of Jubilee staff uses some kind of recreational drug at a regular basis.
Drudley what do you mean?
@@TDrudley why do you think that
@@chriscraig6353 I dunno, I just get that wibe. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
@@TDrudley I mean they probably all do weed in some form. I dont think that's unreasonable to assume
Nobody:
Red hair girl: Starseed
Nobody:
Greg: Mushrooms
Nobody:
Dominic: Statistics
Nobody:
Spencer: Evidence
Nobody:
Linet:
Should've added a few !!! Just to really drive the meme further. Lmao
Nobody: Linet:
you should listen to Lady of Peace ~ Starseed
@@eduardowolf8890 u got it
they should taka taka and put his shrooms in her seed
absolutely no one:
Lauren: I’m a 𝓢𝓽𝓪𝓻 𝓼𝓮𝓮𝓭
“I’m a mental health therapist”
Jubilee: mental health trainee***
Lol gave me assistant to the regional manager vibes
Brutal
Lol naw, i have to add that because we need to do 3,000 hours to get an independent license otherwise we just work under someone elses for the few years.
That made me laugh pretty hard when I saw it at the beginning there. Calling him out haha
When I saw the description I was like"ohhhhhh! " 😅
I noticed that too. 😂
An Infowar Stoner Guy, and a Weird New Age "Spiritual" Blogger who thinks she's some type of alien Being on Earth. Where the heck do they find these people?
thE intErNEt
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Csli
😂😂 I needed an explanation of that, like what do you mean you’re an alien and how
Wack jobs
Y’all killing me with the “Starseed” girl comments omg😂
I love the fact that they didn’t edit out the fact that they admitted to editing out some stuff in previous episodes
tragoedia veritas everyone already knows they edit their videos though
tragoedia veritas it’s obvious though. Plus, in the men’s rights vs feminism episode, one of the men there recorded everything and uploaded it, I never heard it, but I’ve been told that the men’s rights side made a lot of good points.
@@Vanessa-bv2rj link, please.
Also, I presume you're not biased and it's so frickin refreshing, thank you!
Vanessa Pardun I also would like to watch the video
@@Vanessa-bv2rj do you. have the link?
Believer: "JUST BELIEVE"
Skeptics: "We just can't be sure"
Believer: "JUST BELIEVE"
im a believer but I've always hated when an individual imposes something onto another so I was cringing
@@Alex_Aramayo sounds a lot like a religion i know lol
@@Goldspeedywolflmao actually sounds like atheist and non-believers
i love how the one dude is a believer cause his friends convinced him to take drugs and he saw “another life” and is now convinced that that’s real.
They all have a strange view on aliens. I believe the definition of “alien” is any life outside of earth. It doesn’t need to be dorky looking green people. An alien could be as simple as a plant found on a different planet.
Always Send I agree
Always Send “dorky looking green people”😂😭😂😭
Or something we can’t perceive with our senses
Yeah but it was a discussion about alien life visiting earth. So most likely life with some sort of intelligence.
sertu It could be some type of living matter that was accidentally tracked in on a ship and brought back to earth. Idk so many different views on it.
Here's my problem with this topic: the perception of what aliens are or what aliens could be is extremely damaged/molded by pop culture, such as movies, that portray them in a certain way. How do we know that aliens aren't just a blade of grass, or microscopic bacteria under a rock? How do we know the aliens aren't just little space ants crawling like the bugs here on Earth? I don't take people who believe in aliens seriously enough, or believe they are extensively educated on this, because they always picture aliens in the same way, and don't understand that aliens could literally be anything, they don't have to have human intelligence or be able to move around - Plants can't move and they aren't intelligent, but they are alive. If it's so hard for us to explore and travel space, then why must we assume that it is easy for aliens to explore and travel that same space that we live in? Maybe aliens are having just as hard of a time as we are, trying to create world peace between them and trying to figure out how to travel space. Until then, I don't believe in aliens in the same way most people do.
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Edit: 4.6 billion years ago Mars looked like Earth now. Mars was filled with oceans, lakes and had rain. During this period, Earth was still transforming, it was still made of lava and had asteroids crashing on it. It's highly likely that Mars had life on it in the form of bacteria or microorganisms in the water. The period theorized and known as the Late Heavy Bombardment saw both Earth and Mars being hit with asteroids that would forever change the course of life. Sadly for Mars, soon after this period it lost its magnetic field too quickly and its atmosphere weakened, drying up the water and turning it into the arid red planet we know today. During this same time, Earth was beginning to settle, water appeared and continents formed. Did life evolve on Earth on its own? Or is it possible that the asteroids hitting Earth were carrying bacteria from other solar systems? Were some of these asteroids from Mars? Are we actually aliens or maybe even Martians? To answer your question: Do aliens exist? Yes. Whether it is in the form of vegetation such as plants, insects or other developed beings, the possibilities are endless. There are very old solar systems in the universe, and new solar systems that are being born everyday. It is not hard to imagine some of the older systems had the right conditions for life to thrive and have aliens evolve into intelligent beings who figured out how to travel through galaxies. Yet who are we to say that life needs water and oxygen? We have seen life thrive here on Earth in the craziest of environments!
Btw, the documentary I'm talking about is called BBC The Planets: The Two Sisters (episode 2 out of the 5). It's beautifully done. I highly recommend it. 💜
I love everything about this comment!
@@RoguePlutonia this is so interesting thank you
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"I'm a starseed. "
Erin- "That's not vegan."
😂😂
the crossover we all needed
That is definitely vegan
@@jonvillanueva1000 that different diet got her flying thru space lol
Lmfao
I love Dominic, he was so logical and reasonable with his arguments while also not discrediting anyone's opinions
Exactly.
Therapists are the best
Although I agree, ''love'' is still a strong word...and Yea I noticed all the ladies drooling over him even that mystical karen nutjob.
Orynae ty
@@Lazyassindigo bro I didn't mean it that way
"Jubilee does not encourage recreational use of drugs" LOL the point that we've got in this video hahahahha
I can't believe that no one has mentioned Dominic yet! He was reasonable, respectful and brought up many good points. Would love to see him on another episode.
Kaleb McHugh 😭 ty
My favorite in the video by far
Yasss
I really enjoyed hearing him speak!
Dominic was my favourite, he made really good points with statistics.
Everyone talking normally*
Star seed girl: I AM FROM A DIFFERENT PLANET AND CAN SEE THROUGH UNIVERSES
for some people, that is 'normal'
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school That's not normal
I don't if it's just me but if someone claims they saw aliens and right after that they start to talk about drugs and mushrooms... I'm gonna have a hard time believing them
Same
agreed, but it's fun to entertain them at parties when they start talking about it.
I’ve seen aliens as a child. Was not on any drugs.
I can’t imagine being the older gentleman listening to the guy saying drugs caused him to “see” real aliens. Hallucinations are things that you think you’re seeing but aren’t real. He kinda debunked his own beliefs in a way. This episode was so frustrating to hear the lack of evidence on the believers side and hearing them keep cutting off the skeptics.
Yeah and I think what Dominic said at the end is very true. If we accept that idea of hallucinations being the "truth," then we have to credit people with schizophrenia and all these other mental issues that cause them seeing things. It's real for them, but it's all on their head. Hallucinations are not tangible things. An acid trip that takes you to another dimension is not evidence. I kinda feel sorry for these people that think they are on another dimensions when they take drugs. Just shows how dangerous drugs are. I feel like the guy with the white shirt has created this reality in his mind that he can attain only getting high, and he and the girl have immersed themselves so much into their realities that for them it's so logical.
Yeah it irked me that they kept interrupting the skeptics and I couldn’t hear their points.
To be fair scientists don't know what psychedelics do to the brain specifically, they are just labeled as halicigens
Does Jubilee encourage the recreational use of drugs? Im not sure 🤔
@@queendarlene lmaooo
I was nodding my head when Dominic was making his points. Man. His points made me proud.
Also Spencer is just amazing. Both these guys perfectly portrayed the skeptic and rational side of this debate. ♥️
@Daniel Ezulike what?
@Daniel Ezulike What you just said made no sense whatsoever.
Janhavi Tripathi thank you so much
Dominic was on point "In the past people thought LIghtning were God's but look at us now"
I can't agree more
This is better than any anti-drug video I've ever seen. The public school system could never.
Why is this episode harder to watch than the flat earth one
Nah, I think the Flat Earth one and this one are on the same level of stupidity lol
They are at the same level of stupidity. Only difference is that the believers let the skeptics speak
you have druggies with terrible logic in this episode
The starseed girl
Definitely that girl with the red hair
I feel like you can’t just do drugs and claim that what you saw was real...
That’s what the court system tell rape victims
@@kaosaechao56 Um, buddy, a rape victim no matter how drunk or drugged out would still pass a rape kit exam. There's actual physical evidence for it, unlike a hallucination caused by psychedelic drugs.
The Lemur of Madagascar it’s not a hallucination wake up
@@stopbeingasimpgetsomehelp6046 Lmaoo you think psychedelic drugs don't cause hallucinations? You're hilarious.
@@kaosaechao56 I'm hoping that was some classic dark humor.
I feel like Andy from the office reading comments about me😂
Dominic Andre I loved your point about science aiming to understand a common reality to facilitate progress!! Awesome!
I think I've seen you somewhere before hmmmmm
He is butt
LMAOO I loved your point about science not being all black and white, it was sad to see the believers talking over you guys so much tho :(
Jett Cooper tiktok, I have a large following on there and I do science videos
My take is simple: I choose to think there are others out there in the ever-expanding vastness of space doing what it takes to survive or wondering the same; it just comforts me to think so.
They should have gotten a believer who was not high, annoying, or spiritual. Because I feel that there could have been a much better argument with highly educated believers [which there are].
They should've, but they're probably hard to find
No educated person believes Aliens have landed on Earth
I feel like that’s the case for a lot of the series here in which a scrutinized minority has to defend themselves (climate change deniers, flat earthers, etc. and less fantastical topics like socialism vs capitalism.) they always get rather unprepared people
@@Saltesheep most educated people just believe we are the aliens. Have you met any other species with the same awareness and sense of self as humans.
Jimmy Linn just not true, but ok
Props for them for not bursting into laughter every time the "StArSeEd" started to speak.
Why? She was respectful, kind and listened to their point of view, even when she had a different perspective. Shouldn't they have offered her the same respect? Oh yeh, they did, but you aren't...
Starseed: “I’ve visited multiple dimensions through the astrally projected kundalini
awakening in which I gained clairvoyant superpowers including water bending through the avatar state”
But water bending doesn't exist in reality 😮😮
I am dying 😂😂😂
Best comment yet lol
Gmoney 12 I was literally just talking about this
Wtf? Hahahahhaha
As someone with schizophrenia i actually appreciated the skeptic who brought up schizophrenia. I think way more people have hallucinated than we realize and that doesn't mean it's real.
Lauren: "starseed, clairvoyant, kundalini awakening, astral projection"
Everyone else: "what?"
i wonder how much it cost her to identify as a starseed
I only know astral projection from that doc strange movie
@@abdirizakm9426 That's probably where she got that idea from lol
I'd love an "I'm a starseed, ask me anything"
That would be funny, but let’s not give these jackasses more attention!
I'm a starseed, you can ask me anything :)
@@cd-ee9mf how many times were dropped as ababy
@@cd-ee9mf No way really
@@cd-ee9mf What exactly makes you different from a regular person aside from "astral projection" and things that are only mental? Do you have no actual physical differences, like your brain waves are different under a EEG, or you have some kind of unique disorder? Cause from what I gather from this the only difference is things that only you can see and nobody else can experience.
No one
Absolutely no one
Lauren: I'm a starseed
The extraterrestrial equivalent to vegans
I like to believe I’m a starseed but I wouldn’t go out and say it like tf? 😂😂😂😂
Erin: But is that vegan?
What I love about smart people is when they talk about a certain topic and have technical word they willing to short explain it in a way so that other people does not look 'less smart'. in short smart=humble. Spencer is a smart guy.
Thank you very much! 🥰
"In science, we don't say there ARE or, ARE NOT - We don't say there WAS/IS - we say there could be/could have been - "
Mmmm...that's the kind of well-worded argument/point that is an absolute pleasure to hear.
Sometimes we all forget that skeptism, in it's purest form, is not necessarily an indicator of polar opposition to 'For' beliefs/arguments, especially not in any way confrontational/invalidating.
There is always a 'FOR', theres always an 'AGAINST', and then there's 'Science', sitting on some fence like a weirdo, with a pair of binoculars to suss out both sides
Exactly! I love how he explained that point
And they got soooo defensive and literally glided over his point, like he wasn't trying to disregard or dismiss anything, he was attempting to explain how scientists merely request for evidence instead of taking things blindly because that is the better productive approach. Smh the believers made me hella embarassed
Sahan N I really like that quote, but I think some people get it caught up in it and think there is a are and are not. This doesn’t just apply to this video but other videos, theories, etc.
I agree but usually science falls under one of those extreme umbrellas (are/are not).
Well said!
I’m impressed none of them laughed out loud when the girl mentioned she’s an incarnated alien
I would have at least smirked. Lol
Parents must be proud🤣
They must have edited that laughter out of the footage.
HAHAHA FACTS
People believe in god not much differnt to me
Suggestion: people who don’t tip vs. servers
Omg
That would be interesting.
Blood would be spilled
@@slmjkdbtl well there was proud flat earthers
oooooo that’s a great idea
I feel so bad for Spencer, he's like the only one working for the skeptic team.
They should do a “HEATED” version of this where they either don’t stop people from talking at all or just extend the length of each discussion. I really don’t like when someone is saying something interesting and they get cut off and I’m just thinking of all the possibilities.
For realllll! I was thinking that too.
Bc it would escalate the situation and eventually everyone would start talking over each other so in the end you still would not get the rest of an interesting sentence/thought.
Dominic was so respectful and gave evidence with all his statements, i was in awe . I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about him in the comments !
😭 ty
Greg was also reasonable, I liked the theory about fungus from space. Dominic was true middle ground, He mediated well.
@@scienceshortsftw you're ever where now lol. As I watch you and read your comment at the same time. 😂😂
fr I love how he's firm in his own belief, but he also thinks enough about other ideas to be able to talk using their words. That said, epistemology is fun!
@@scienceshortsftw you are a truly well spoken person. Your way of debating is where I aspire to be. My respects.
The star seed girl had these producers throwing up definitions every 2 seconds
I love how she simply assumes everyone knows wat a Starseed or any of the other words she was using meant
@@jessidiary4884 most spiritual people do..
She is insane😂
I believe in paranormal things and magic. But, she was throwing out every insane belief left and right. Not even explaining what they are. Like seriously, show me a fact or article that relates to what you believe in. Don’t just repeat yourself endlessly and expect people to go along with it.
@@jessidiary4884 not even google knows much about it :D it must be really niche group of people :D
petition for Jubilee to create another channel called "Full-bilee" where they upload the unedited versions of these episodes. I know sometimes i'd just like to hear the participants get heated and just have it in on in the background for a few hours. kind of like a podcast
Signature-Stellar Facts :)
Star seed girl: Jumping to conclusions is kinda far fetched
Me: Yet you are telling me that you're a REINCARNED ALIEN
If you believe in reincarnation, this would be possible actually
@@everythingwillbe6904 I dont believe in reincarnation
@@seanoconnell7080 that's ok, but millions of people do believe in reincarnation
Millions of people dont believe in reincarnation too
Lmaooooo “I don’t believe in reincarnation”
Dominic was my favorite, he’s logical, respectful and well spoken. He brought up good points and questions, I hope to see him on the channel again!
So I realized alot of people thought we would not believe in aliens on the skeptic side. we all do, the issue if jubilee said no aliens vs aliens. It would strictly be a religious debate. So its more interesting from this perspective to learn about those different types who think aliens are real too.
do you believe in aliens?
フェレット watch the video
Dominic Andre that starseed girl was insane wasn't she? What were you thinking when she was speaking?
It was great listening to your argumentations, you're very well spoken. Logic and rationality is just beautiful!
@@zoomy7488 and the guy that does drugs
I feel like the believer side didn’t include people with a strong scientific or journalistic background. There are certainly more professional individuals who can make a different type of argument than a podcast host who had a psychedelic experience, an IT guy who saw a UFO (not the same thing as aliens and a personal experience alone is not sufficient evidence), and a woman who’s unsuccessfully trying to make a spiritual argument for the existence of aliens.
Ya I consider myself to be a believer of alien life forms. That doesn't mean that I believe with 100% certainty that they have had contact with humans.
If the universe is as endless as scientists say it would be impossible for earth to be the only planet with life.
I also subscribe to the simulation theory though, it makes more sense than any other universe theory (in my opinion), it isn't a fringe theory either, many reputable scientists believe in it.
So idk if I would be considered a skeptic or believer for the purpose of this video, but I will argue if someone states flatly that aliens don't exist.
“I’m not like other girls I’m a starseed”
HJ 😂
"I didn't 'fall asleep' in class I ASTRALLY PROJECTED onto a spaceship
I felt that
"Starseeds".... so that's what narcissists, aka the 'Special' folks, are calling themselves now!
@@matonmongo I'm not sure you know the proper definition of narcissist
If the aliens are here, to look for intelligent life on earth...
Someone tell them that they're not finding any here. Try a different star system.
Yeah there's nothing super valuable here now 😂... Although if they could time travel, maybe they could get Albert Einstein or something...
Edit: I wonder if they would affected by COVID tho...
They should leave before they get coronavirus🤣
Yeah.
Yeah if theres anyone they're looking for, its not delusional believers that use tons of drugs.
i mean.. people are injecting bleach in their body so ...
Plot twist: the old guy is actually an alien and is trying to convince humans that aliens aren’t real
Somebody make a movie with that idea
@@leonidas8513 Is that enough of a plot according to you?
Odd man out: 5 humans vs 1 alien
He’s doing a hell of a good job
you might be on to something LOOOOL
Dominic and Spencer truly deserve some respect, especially with a person like star seed against them 😂
Thank you!!! 😎👍
@@TheRealSpencerMarks Is this really you? The Spencer in the video?
@@justexisting7143 guilty as charged!
@@TheRealSpencerMarks what?
@@justexisting7143 that was my way of saying, “Yes! It’s really me!”
No one:
literally no one:
Lauren: "I identify as a starseed"
Katelyn Stewart lmfaooooo
What is a "Lauren"? A name you say? Is that a perception of reality?
Usually if you’re really reincarnated as a “starseed” you don’t have to announce every five minutes. Just saying
that was the biggest problem for me, yeah you can say it the first time and I'll try to understand, but to announce it on EVERY PROMPT is too irritating.
Amanda Vergara so weird too
Yeah I'd you came back to life as an alien then umm mabey dont say it on the internet.
True,if I was an alien that got reincarnated I wouldn't go around saying"hey Im an alien reincarnation". But she might keep announcing it so people won't believe her and she live can her happy reincarnated life.
@@seanoconnell7080 Saying it on the internet is ok, because of being anonymous I am a star seed but I would never tell anyone.
outside the internet, the average person will not understand.
Wow there was someone for everyone here. You’ve got the ‘Aliens are real because I identify as one’ mixed in with ‘just take shrooms man’ along with hyperskeptic ‘science only’...what a trip!
Dominic and Greg were true middle ground. Science guy and Starseed girl are as annoying even though science is right.
Hyperskeptic scoence guy? He is not hyperskeptic, just reasonable. He says it could be true, but there is no evidence for it. That is the single most reasonable position you could have
As someone who believes in aliens, I love that we have two astronomers on the skeptic side and on the believer side we have Greg, who's here for the vibes, Luke, who is certifiably "not a fibber" and Lauren, who is spiritually awoken... great
Spencer is a based realist, keep having him on this show please.
Meh, sure he is on the side of science, but he's unwilling to have a genuine dialogue and admit that even science can lead people to the wrong conclusions...
I like how he went about this
He really is based
@@Orynae I would say it was genuine, he even pointed out that their goal wasnt to disprove or prove aliens exist
@I'MDEprEssEdaNDqUIrkY but if you have evidence it is more likely to be true but if you see something that nobody else ever saw without any kind of evidence than you are most likely to be false
I like how the red haired girl claimed she is a star seed extraterrestrial but then didnt go up to "I've seen UFO" part lmfaoo
😂
Yeah shes delusional and inconsistant.
Yeah if you claim to be a "starseed extraterrestrial" how have you not seen a ufo? Surely you would of made it to earth in one by yourself. Lady is crazy!
United Through Christ a UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object, so if she identifies her spaceship it’s technically not a UFO
@@nilsdula7693 Thats why i was conflicted on the question "have you seen a UFO?". Like, im pretty sure everyone has, there are videos on UFOs, simple being an unidentified flying object, not necessarily an alien ship. On the other side of that though, when you are talking about aliens, I feel like using the ACTUAL definition of UFO to be wrong because you know they more or less mean "alien ship" and not just a flying object that isnt identified.
The fact that the believers kept saying that scientists only try to prove people wrong but then they sit on the other side of that spectrum makes me mad. The non believers had open minds and said they don’t want to jump to conclusions, that they can to use facts to get to conclusions, but then the believers are just assuming things and saying they’re right. When the one guy said people used to think thunder was god the believers should have thought for a second, but instead they wouldn’t even listen to that. That one sentence basically debunked their entire point.
Lizzy Hennegan Lets be honest here.. Everyone thought the planet was flat even though Isaac Newton proved that theory to be completely false. It was also reportedly proven during Ancient Greek times too. People that are ignorant will believe whatever they want despite facts
Jennifer B this is false
The point of science is to keep looking for ways to disprove a theory. A theory is only good as long as it passes tests. This is why scientists 'disprove' theories, not to contradict people who are believers lol. Besides, one can never totally disprove a theory as there is always more to learn and test. This is exactly the point of the two skeptic guys, science works in statistics.
See, all I know is that aliens definitely exist. There's no way that humans are the only race in the entire universe. But the problem is that we neither have evidence to prove this, nor the contrary. We're just stuck in between.
i don't it matters. the debate is really about aliens on earth, we're not really debating aliens in other galaxies.
@@JewTube001 and what business would alines from a billion light years away have with our primitive society. we all have different views and religions and cultures and other things that divide us, and not like our tanks and anti aircrafts would do much against whatever plasma cannons they have on their UFOS. i think if aliens are real, and came here, they visited us back in the 60’s when alien movies were popping up everywhere, found nothing interesting and moved onto the next star system.
My poor man spencer. First he had to deal with the flat earthers and now with people who think they’ve seen aliens
Crazy, right??? 😎
Naw he likes it
And apparently been on Spaceships and who knows what more !! 🤣🤣🤣
If you just look at the size of the entire universe and galaxy there’s no way you can truly believe that we are the only ones out there. Whether it’s aliens or just human beings on another planet, there has to be life out there I believe it
DeshawnToo Live there’s no aliens
There’s no aliens because Humans created aliens
@@ryanleonidas6839 what ? Elaborate .
Safe but I don't think there are other humans
DeshawnToo Live believe in alien contacts and believe in alien is different thing
"I have taken some drugs and hallucinated so that proves aliens are real"
I love how there’s always one person who everyone loves to laugh at in middle ground
The dude immediately discredited himself when he said he took a psychedelic drug n then believed in aliens lmaooo
Alanna fr😭
I guess but the experiences can feel more real then reality and it is still unknown how it operates on the brain, some say that it allows you to peek behind the curtain ect
Well I took a Tylenol once and now I'm a Scientologist. Please respect my perception 😡
Definitely did some permanent alter in his brain. Psychedelics are not for everyone.
Sounds like you've either never taken them or never felt another presence during a trip
Hi everyone!
I am the woman in white in the video. Unfortunately, my opinions on the topics were limited which might have come across as if I had nothing to say at all. I thoroughly enjoyed being apart of the conversation nonetheless. For those confused about the “Catholic converted to Christian” thing I said I definitely worded it incorrectly. Being Catholic is being a Christian. I meant to say I’ve converted to now being a Protestant. I wish my opinions were shown more, but if anyone has any other questions I’ll be happy to answer. My instagram is linet.wanjohi.
Thank you all for watching. Be safe!
is there any opinions you wanted to say but didn't get the chance to say?
What did you think of miss starseed overthere lol
Linet Wanjohi
I was intrigued you said when you said religion and science can be limited or has its limits. I wish you touched on that a bit more or had more opportunity to share your opinion or views
Linet Wanjohi queen
Sneha Dongre Yes !
Man the believers were so rude and really not having any logic Argument.
There is no real logic in the argument, so its kinda set up against them. The only evidence I, or any logical person, will accept is actual proof of an alien. I believe there can be aliens, not necessarily green creatures with antenna, but a life form on another planet. If they find an alien, do tests, find out its real and so n such.
Especially the one who was on drugs
@@brandipityha9457 let's be real, if YOU found actual evidence, or you got visited by them, as the people here believe, you would now have proof and yet people will still call you crazy
@@AnymMusic No, I mean proof as in aliens come to earth and talk to us. Like Roger from American Dad kind of proof, not a "oh, i got a picture!" proof.
@@AnymMusic single peoples experiences aren't proof, especially people like this. If there was any normal people claiming that maybe I'd believe some of it. But their stories are not believable in any way I'm sorry. These people here are either on drugs or have mental illnesses so you definitely can't trust them. When looking at these "believers" you'll start to notice a pattern, they're not normal people.