I’ve actually always enjoyed the “Chosen One” twist, most stories have a single “Chosen One” that was chose by fate, but when it came to Harry or Neville, it was Voldemort’s choice that made one of them the “Chosen One”.
Exactly, in trying to eliminate the greatest threat to himself Voldemort ended up creating it instead, because he rushed in to it without knowing the full prophecy. His own mistake led to his downfall, and he also died from his own spell which makes the ending of the series simply perfect.
I've also heard the idea that if you interpret it as slightly vaguer (as many of Trelawney's prophecies were) as "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal" counting by the death eaters attacking the Longbottoms (thereby acknowledging them as threats), he remains the chosen one. He was born in late July, killed the final Horcrux, had parents who "thrice defied", and was named an equal.
Probably would’ve been better of if neville was chosen since Harry’s would’ve probably survived giving Harry a better like while nothing would have changed for neville since he sadly already lost his parents in the main timeline
People forget that Neville was using his father's wand up until it broke in the battle of the department of mysteries, it's no wonder his spells were lackluster.
Somewhat true, but as Mr. Carlin pointed out at 1:02, Neville's improvement started in DA, just before the trip to the Dept of Mysteries. Getting a new wand helped him continue to improve and gain confidence.
Adding to Neville being brave all the time: He goes to the potions classes every freaking time! Even he's fear of Snape who teases Neville being bad at that subject. I mean, the teachers/professors are meant to courage to learn their subject, not to tease if their students seem to be bad at the subject.
Actually I think that if Snape had actually taken the time to nurture his students that Neville wouldn't have been so bad at Potions. But from day one Snape was verbally, emotionally, and mentally abusing him. We already know Neville had a lot of self confidence issues (no doubt stemming from his family being so sure he was a squib for the longest time) to get that abuse on a weekly basis? I'm surprised he was able to do more than sit shivering in fear in Potions class.
@@vermontvampyre Completely agree. And look at Harry. He's from a Potioneer family on the father's side. His mom was great at potion. He already got Potion-making talents in his blood and Snape completely destroyed it. Five years with Snape, Harry learned nothing except to hide his mistake or endure abuse. When Harry or Neville makes a mistake Snape was never like 'Good effort, but you forgot to add x before y, now try again' as a good teacher would have said. It was always 'Has anything penetrated that thick skull of yours?' 'You're arrogant, like your father' or 'Famous Harry Potter thinks he can do everything right'. What student would improve with such teaching? And just look at OWL. Harry constantly got D or T (failing grades) in Snape's class and never succeeds in anything. But a month before OWL, Snape got angry with Harry and started ignoring him. That's the one month in five years that Harry got to study Potions to his full ability. The result? He got E in OWL, E as in the second best grade. When your student learns better when you're not paying them any attention, you know you're a horrible, horrible teacher.
Further adding to the honey badger connection is that what makes honey badgers so fearless is that their skin is so thick, making them nearly bulletproof. And what's something that we see Neville do constantly? Take a lot of punishment and keep going anyway.
The idea of Neville being able to defy the laws of physics, including not being harmed by explosions is often associated with a concept known as toon force which is an idea of gag related reality distortion defying or changing the mechanics of Reality itself to suit different gags or tricks. Is there any possibility of a Patronus manifesting as a toon construct? A cartoonish distortion of an animal performing different gag/tricks? Also, to the point about Neville's journey into badassery, another animal associated with such behavior is the Wolverine. And an interesting fun fact, there is actually a species of frog, called the Wolverine frog, named for the berserker Marvel antihero Wolverine because like the Marvel character this frog can extend bone claws from its knuckles. So my guess for Neville's Patronus might be a Toon Honey Badger or Toon Wolverine that stands upright and features Wolverine style knuckle claws, and maybe even spike covered exoskeletel armor plates.
I think Neville could have something like a Butterfly. Butterflies are basically the mascot for transformation and Neville transforms over the series from his scared, forgetful, weak self into a brave, powerful, wizard
If thet's teh case it could've been a toad as well. They go through transformation like butterflies and it would also tie into his old self with his childhood pet.
This genuinely answers sooo much: We know that a Patronus can change- see Tonks in deathly hollows whose patronus changed into a wolf cuz she was in love with Lupin- a werewolf. So honey badger for someone married to a hufflepuff (badger) would be a similar comparision. Also, both he and Hannah really enjoyed herbology, with Hannah going as far as to theorize that Sirius got into the castle disguised as a flowering shrub- which is the fact i thought of btw.
Headcanon: Hannah Abbot is a Honey Guide, a bird that eats bee larvae and has a symbiotic relationship with Honey Badgers. The Guide finds the beehive, the Badger brings down the hive, and they enjoy a meal together.
And Neville initially begged the Sorting Hat to sort him into Hufflepuff because he was so intimidated by Gryffindor's reputation for bravery, but he might have thought that he'd be a good fit for a Hufflepuff too
@@irisblue7031 he would have been because he does care about other people, but he clearly values bravery. Kind of like how Wormtail is the most cowardly person there is, but seeks out bravery in others to hide behind. Neville admires bravery in others and sought to be like them.
Neville is truly a Gryffindor so I could potentially see his patronus being that of a lion due to his growth from a small and weak cub to a brave and strong lion. His confrontation against Voldemort is like a prideful roar to encourage the army at the battle of Hogwarts. His bravery and leadership is what is shown and awakened at the battle of Hogwarts.
I would argue that it was awakened much earlier than that, when Bellatrix first escapes Azkaban. It was directly after that happens that we see him improving and it lit a fire in him that just grew and grew. By the time he stands up to Voldemort, he had already fought at the Ministry, rallied the DA, stood up to the Carrows more than once, and tried to steal the sword of Gryffindor from Snape's office. I agree with everything else you said though!
I agree. He is the ultimate Gryffindor becase he is afraid but overcomes his fears; thats true bravery. Not being afraid is not as brave as fighting your fears. I would say lion or even a griffin. At the end a griffin is the symbol of the house and as it is also part eagle it would also follow the 'he kills snakes' idea sinc eeagles often eat snakes.
@@anvime739 Griffins are also symbols of royalty, pride, vengefulness, and more importantly Loyalty. They are the perfect hybrid of Hufflepuff and griffindor in a way. A Griffin was often used on coat of arms to show power but, for a time was also used on several flags including the now fallen country of Prussia having a creature very similar to griffin on their flag.
@@lahlybird895 The golden flames were the results of the twin cores connecting but the spell he cast at that time was still expelliarmus. In the BOOKS that’s the spell that identies him by the death eaters in the battle of seven potters. Harry chooses to disarm rather than try to injure someone most of the time, this is well known by most characters in the BOOKS.
@@jackpfefferkorn3734 yeah so does everyone’s patronus. I don’t think there is one shared patronus that they showed in the books or movies. So literally everyone who casts a patronus has a different corporeal animal that identifies them specifically if cast strongly enough. That doesn’t make it his signature spell tho 😂. Harry is famous in the books for choosing to disarm his opponents rather than harm them. Whilst a patronus is only good for a few things i.e. warding off dementors and relaying messages.
I personally think it's a lion actually --- they are clumsy and have weak roars when they are young, but they come into their own as adults. Just like Neville!
My first thought was a lion, but yes, my second thought was a mongoose. Nagini is also (IIRC) the name of the female cobra from Rudyard Kipling's Riki Tiki Tavi, who is eventually killed by a (spoiler alert) mongoose. But the honey badger works also. As does the lion. I'd accept any of these three for Neville. And the other possibility I thought of, given Neville's affinity for herbology: a bowtruckle! And yes, I'd also say a good candidate for Hannah Abbott's patronus is the honey bee. Bees, like Hufflepuffs, are known for being industrious and hard-working, and living in cooperation with others, rather than on their own.
Lol. It's a ghostly white amalgamation of Harry, Ron and Hermione with 3 heads and 6 arms and legs. Luna and Ginny get added to the monstrosity over time. Dementors see it and just "nope" out
Neville was NOT actually a Hatstall. Him and Hermione were closest to being ones- the hat adamant on Gryffindor but Neville requesting Hufflepuff and the hat deliberating over Gryffindor or Ravenclaw for Hermione. But they were not Hatstalls. The ones we know of were Professor McGonagall and Peter Pettigrew.
@@sabrinaschell4938a single google search would have told you "A Hatstall was an archaic term for a student of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry whose Sorting took more than five minutes." So that's how. Because 1 is less than 5.
Yes!!!! And the point of Nag and Nagaina (pretty close to Nagini if you ask me) being the villain that Riki Tiki Tavi eats in the Kipling short story seems to nail it home!
Thestral would also be pretty good match. Quote: "The second most rare patronus, only an unusual individual could produce a thestral. Thestral patronus can be seen by even those who have no been close to death. This is due to them being summoned by a Charm and under the control of a witch or wizard. Those with the Thestral patronus are gentle at heart and kind to those around them. Those with this patronus have an understanding nature and will often make others feel like they are on the same wavelength. If this is your patronus you may find people around you open up to you with things they have told nobody else. Having such a gentle nature does make people with the Thestral sometimes at risk of being pushed about, however it is uncommon for someone to feel negatively towards those who cast this patronus. It is important to say that those with this patronus often have the most gentle souls of all. This patronus is extremely rare and can be found in all houses but most common is Hufflepuff." Also the little death thingy. I have Thestral myself :)
Haven’t seen the video yet. I’m going with a counterintuitive option: A snake. He slays Nagini, and snakes have a… wait for it… long bottom. Edit: Having now watched the video I’m going to give myself credit for predicting the long bottom joke 😅 I still think snake might be even better than Honey Badger, though: Nagini is probably a King Cobra, and cobra are notorious because of their surprisingly frequent acts of cannibalism!
You can't predict someone's Patronus. "No reliable system for predicting the form of an individual’s Patronus has ever been found, although the great eighteenth-century researcher of Charms, Professor Catullus Spangle, set forth certain principles that are widely accepted as true. The Patronus, asserted Spangle, represents that which is hidden, unknown but necessary within the personality. ‘For it is evident,’ he writes, in his masterwork ‘Charms of Defence and Deterrence’, ‘… that a human confronted with inhuman evil, such as the Dementor, must draw upon resources he or she may never have needed, and the Patronus is the awakened secret self that lies dormant until needed, but which must now be brought to light...’ Here, says Spangle, is the explanation for the appearance of Patronuses in forms that their casters might not expect, for which they have never felt a particular affinity, or (in rare cases) even recognise. Spangle is interesting on the subject of those unusual witches and wizards who produce a Patronus that takes the form of their favourite animal. ‘It is my firm belief that such a Patronus is an indicator of obsession or eccentricity. Here is a wizard who may not be able to hide their essential self in common life, who may, indeed, parade tendencies that others might prefer to conceal. Whatever the form of their Patronus, you would be well-advised to show respect, and occasionally caution, towards a witch or wizard who produces the Patronus of their choice.’" www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm But if you could, I'd say a swan because his story is that of the ugly duckling.
Nagni doesn’t have the King Cobra hood though, and she’s got a slightly different colouring. I’m pretty sure she’s meant to be a reticulated python. (In the movies anyway, I don’t remember her description in the books)
My patronus is a honey badger!!!! That would be cool if that was Neville’s as well as he is my favourite character. However, even before watching the video, I said his patronus is a lion. And honestly I still think that’s a better fit. His courage is what allows him to do all he did. Not to mention he is the only one to have endured an entire school year full of death eaters, and still showing defiance by running DA. It’s still the lion for me.
I feel like his patronus would be a lion, personally. he has tremendous courage and grit - both qualities we see in these big cats. It could also help to show his alignment to gryffindor, let alone it matches some other comments that metnion his growth. He's basically Simba.
Can we talk for a moment about the number of students who clearly belong in other houses are placed in Gryffindor by Godric's own hat? Seems rigged. Hermione would absolutely be one of Rowena's students. And no one can give me a convincing argument as to why Percival Weasley's ambition didn't place him into Slytherin quicker than every Black before Serius.
I figured since Percy was the one that would have born at the height of the war, and Molly and Arthur were original Order members, they had named him after Dumbledore.
I hope Frank longbottoms Patronus was a honey badger too. It would nice because Frank's spirit would kind of live on in his son, as well as James in Harry's Patronus:)
I think Frank’s patronus would be more of a Wolverine. An animal close to the honey badger, but different enough that his wand wouldn’t recognize Neville.
@@xianartman this really freaka me out. What happened to the wands of James and Lily? Would they belong to Voldemort, at least James'? Were they buried with them? The phoenix-wand of Harry, did it only recognize Voldemort? When this part died, would Harry be even able to use his old wand after he repaired it, or could he use rather a wand that resembles the one of his father? Independent from what Rowling wrote... This will give me many sleepless nights...
@@kathzemiau7234 neither James or Lily pulled their wands on Voldemort. So possibly their wand wouldn’t change allegiance. As to Harry’s wand, as it was broken, no one but Harry could possess it, thus none of those were “won”. It is an interesting question about deceased wizard wands. Is it tradition to bury them with their wands, as Dumbledor was? If so that would solve Harry’s parents wand locations. But what do you think?
@@xianartman I dont think it necessarily was that common to burry wizards with their wands as there are multiple instances of wands being passed down generations of family, however I do believe that alot of wands and especially those with stronger senses of allegiance would die with their masters and that in those cases they would be burried with them. Like you said with James and Lilly they never drew their wands against him and were never dissarmed and eapecially in the case with Lilly (whose wand I actually think Harry has the larger chance of sucessfully wielding due to its mistresses sacrifice) their powers would pretty much have faded uppon their deaths. There are 2 things that always boggled my mind tho when it commes to wands: -Despite being a pureblood family and therefore being expected to have atleast a reasonable knowledge of how wandmagic should work with the wand choosing the wizard it appears Narcissa chooses Dracos wand while hes having robes fitted? Like are they purposefully handicaping their son? Theres no use in someone whos not the intended wielder looking at a wand. - Ron starts off with Charlies wand. Now I understand hand me down wands as a family tradition, I also understand the weasleys not being able to afford a new wand for Ron. But! Charlie isnt dead? Like why would he have a spare wand to hand down? He had a unicorn hair core which are the most loyal ones so his wand should work fine for him. Did he get a new one for some reason? What would that reason be? Like if it was a passed down family wand wouldnt it make more sense to give Ron that one as it wouldnt have allegiance to another living wizard? Rather than having 2 wands change hands and saddling a beginner wizard with a wand that stubbornly loyal to someone else. (As I sidenote I think Obliviate bounced back perfectly on Lockhart more due to the core being even less loyal to him "Youre not even a Weasley!" mose so than being broken as when we se Rons soells bpunce back on him they domt perfecly chanel the original intent, for example vomiting slugs rather than being forcefed them)
@@Ami-zi6si reasonable objections, though I imagine Draco already had a private selection and just had his mother go through the red tape as his measurements would take longer to selected and alter as he was a very easy sorting (at least for the sorting hat) and probably didn’t have to spend nearly as much time as Harry did. As for Charlie and Ron, Charlie’s new job may have afforded him a more aligned wand or better funding for a better fit or some other reason he would come up with to help his little brother out. I don’t think it was Mr and Mrs weasley alone who made that choice. The handme down wand was probably, like clothing, because the original owner had outgrown it or found something better.
When you first mentioned an animal that eats snakes, for a split second I so thought you were going to say a MONGOOSE and I was SUPER excited (no pun intended) purely because I loved the movie Rikki Tikki Tavi as a kid. But whatever the Patronus form, Neville is always awesome! Quick note - the mongoose is one of only 4 mammals (admittedly, the honey badger is another) immune to a dose of snake venom. 😎
I agree with your reasoning but not the animal, elephants are pretty dexterous and wise. They have incredible eye sight and hearing. If you want a clumsy animal that doesn’t really know it’s own strength, you should look to a rhino. They can basically be like big puppies if raised around humans from childhood (not recommending this). They have terrible eye sight and are incredible clumsy. The main thing they attempt attack is safari vehicles. But if one is not in a good mood and you happen to be near it, it will most certainly destroy you. They really do not know their own strength and lack a lot of confidence when it comes to interacting with other bigger animals. They’ll run away from a hippo (rightfully so) rather than even attempt to mess with them. I would love for the tank puppy to be nevilles patronus
@@coolnerdlll6053 just looked it up and found a quiz where, yes in Prisoner of Azkaban he did an elephant noise. I haven’t read the books so … I believe you
Slightly disappointed that when you started talking about animals that kill snakes there was no "a mongoose" joke Anyway jokes aside, I do think that mongoose is also a decent choice for Neville's Patronus, as they also fight snakes, are also known to be fearless, and also eat frogs (haven't found if they eat toads though, but close enough)
@@vivianwallwood She has said most can't, but I don't really care what she says out of the books. Also, when has that ever stopped them from finding what it would be.
@@vivianwallwood I believe there is indeed a quote somewhere from Voldy that states that the bad side doesn't know happiness and that's why they can work alongside dementors without issues. But intense happiness is also needed to conjure a patronus
Technically, weren't Harry's points at the end of the first year also for bravery? I seem to remember Dumbledore's exact words being "for pure nerve and outstanding courage"
Great theory and checks a lot of boxes and makes sense. Well done. My own personal head canon was he has a surprisingly large patronus like an elephant 🐘. I just thought it would be cool and unexpected to see such a large powerful animal come from Neville. No actual research went in to this lol.
Based on my limited memory of a documentary I saw as a child. There are some birds that hunt poisonous toads and frogs by piercing their skin and eating only their liver (the part of the body that wouldn't be toxic). However this caused a weird affect that caused all of the frogs other organs to inflate and make it explode.
I am so blown away! Honey badger never would have crossed my mind, but now, I can see it! He's totally like a honey badger. His aggression towards Voldemort is so mighty, like the aggression of a honey badger towards their prey. Neville goes from being very timid to very defensive and practically unstoppable. I'm sold on honey badger they are so accurate.
I LOVE this! Makes sense. Honey badgers are literally Gryffindors disguised as Hufflepuffs - literally Neville in a nutshell! I was thinking about this the other day actually and my first thought was coral or a sea anemone or something that really looks like a plant but is actually an animal! Then again Neville has no strong connection to water and all animals that I know of like that are sea creatures. The honey badger idea is much better!
That expecto patronum gave me a heart attack lol)) Thinking on animals that kill snakes, the first one I thought of was mongoose. But honey badger fits waaay too well.
I think Neville's improvement in Dumbledore's Army had a LOT to do with that environment being encouraging & supportive, something he definitely didn't have with his grandmother, & rarely had in class, especially with professors like Snape. Also, timing on this is interesting, cuz this came up recently on Cherry Wallis's channel: it's cannon that his patronus is non-corporeal
Not entirely related, but I read an interesting fanfiction once, where Neville, and multiple other Griffindors, become Animagi. Neville, becomes a Panther. Just thought it was interesting.
For those interested, Ron ended up as a Squirrel, Dean a Crow, Hermione a Deinonychus(one with feathers, and because of the Time Turner she was wearing throughout the whole process, from start to finish), Ginny a Peregrine Falcon, Percy a Heron, Fred and George a Mink and a Pine Marten(Never confirmed which is which), Cedric a Badger, Cho a Swan. They also have names, in the order listed: Neville - Lapcat, Ron - Nutkin, Dean - Upstart, Hermione - Clever Girl, Ginny - Perry, Percy - Issola, Fred and George - Trouble and Strife. Harry doesn't HAVE an Animagus form, as in this alternate universe, he became a dragon long before reaching Hogwarts.
I think Neville's Patronus should be a butterfly . As in the beginning of the books (like J said) he was the forgetful kid nobody really cared about, but in the end he is a main character . Like a butterfly in its beginning its a caterpillar but then it grows into a beautiful butterfly
I’m going to respectfully disagree, because one of Neville’s defining traits is loyalty. Honey badgers are loners, and don’t care about any other creatures much but themselves. Personally, I think Neville’s patronas is an elephant. He’s loyal, elephants are associated with memory, he started small and clumsy and grew into a figurative giant, and if you were a toad, getting the heck away from a massive being like an elephant would be near the top of your priorities!
Interesting theory. Holds together fairly well, however when asked what animal is know for eating snakes, I immediately thought of a mongoose. Perhaps I just don’t know about the honey badger, but mongooses were never ruled out or mentioned… too Indian? Kipling not popular enough? What brought up the honey badger and not the mongoose?
I feel like theres a pretty obvious thing being overlooked here, nevil goes through a thurrow transformation, like comming out of a cocoon if you will, where he finally emerges stronger and freer and spreading his wings, plus he loves and has an affinity for plants, so it makes sense his patronus would be a polinator of some sort. So clearly Nevilles patronus is a butterfly. Mainly joking but also I feel like not only is the idea of a strong butterfly patronus hilarious but my arguments do hold some weight. Especially when you factor in the beauty and grace often associated with them and contrast that not with his flying ability but with his dancing efforts for the yuleball.
You could make a whole set Harry Potter books through Neville’s POV cuz bad stuff keep happening cuz he is the punchline of most of the book and we can see what happens to hog warts when the golden trio was away more Thoroughly
I think it would be awesome to have the prequel stories from Sirus’ point of view and then it would be cool to have a couple compliment novels on Neville’s adventures and journey to professorship.
I think Neville's patronus would actually have been the same as Voldemort's, a bear! Both incredibly rare and difficult to conjure. It would add to the potential of Neville possibly being the chosen one, and a means by which he could outdo Voldemort, because I think if he was the chosen one, he would have had the opportunity and capability of conjuring a corporeal patronus, and therefore outgoing Voldemort.
I think a giant river otter would be a good patronus for Neville. They're very social among themselves, impressively fierce also very brave. They kill and eat caymans, anacondas and piranhas for crying out loud. Also anything that crosses them, including jaguars and humans
11:55 Bravery and courage are NOT the same as fearlessness… By definition these qualities require something to overcome… What people often mistakenly call “bravery” and “courage”, without fear, are actually just recklessness. If you’re just reckless you’re not being brave, because you’re not overcoming anything or acting in spite of a difficult emotion.
You can't predict someone's Patronus. "No reliable system for predicting the form of an individual’s Patronus has ever been found, although the great eighteenth-century researcher of Charms, Professor Catullus Spangle, set forth certain principles that are widely accepted as true. The Patronus, asserted Spangle, represents that which is hidden, unknown but necessary within the personality. ‘For it is evident,’ he writes, in his masterwork ‘Charms of Defence and Deterrence’, ‘… that a human confronted with inhuman evil, such as the Dementor, must draw upon resources he or she may never have needed, and the Patronus is the awakened secret self that lies dormant until needed, but which must now be brought to light...’ Here, says Spangle, is the explanation for the appearance of Patronuses in forms that their casters might not expect, for which they have never felt a particular affinity, or (in rare cases) even recognise. Spangle is interesting on the subject of those unusual witches and wizards who produce a Patronus that takes the form of their favourite animal. ‘It is my firm belief that such a Patronus is an indicator of obsession or eccentricity. Here is a wizard who may not be able to hide their essential self in common life, who may, indeed, parade tendencies that others might prefer to conceal. Whatever the form of their Patronus, you would be well-advised to show respect, and occasionally caution, towards a witch or wizard who produces the Patronus of their choice.’" www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm But if you could, I'd say a swan because his story was that of the ugly duckling.
Neville's Patronus being a bumblebee is actually perfect for him. I know they say that patronuses can't be bugs (which I'd dispute since Rita Skeeter became a beetle and one's Patronus and animagus form tends to be connected) but I think it got perfectly.
At the end of Order of the Phoenix, I thought that Neville might have ended up being the chosen one at the end because of the line about thoughts causing deeper scars than most physical wounds. It was when they were talking about how long it would take Ron to heal after being attacked by the brains in the Department of Mysteries. In that book, we had some insight into Neville's psychological scars after what happened to his parents. Admittedly that would mean Bellatrix had marked him, not Voldemort, but I'm still a little disappointed that twist didn't happen.
why not a mongoose ? Since mongooses eat snakes and Neville killed Nagini...they're pretty brave as well and symbolize those who are always here for their family and friends, I mean, it kind of fits him well ? Idk, Lion just sounds too big for him edit : actually honey badger is very good too, with all the symbolic, I didn't thought about that edit2 : woaa the ending tho-
Answering your question at 5:58 about Hannah Abbott. In Half Blood Prince book, Hannah was called out of a herbology lesson and told the news that her mother had died. She wasn't seen around for some time after that incident.
I started watching this convinced that there was no way you’d change my mind about his patronus being a lion. Now you cannot convince me that his patronus is anything but the honey badger!
I love Neville and I love what you came up with for his patronus. Have you guys thought of doing another series of "what if.." for the Harry Potter books? I think it would be cool if you guys did a "what if Voldemort had chosen Neville?" for books one through seven!
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I’ve actually always enjoyed the “Chosen One” twist, most stories have a single “Chosen One” that was chose by fate, but when it came to Harry or Neville, it was Voldemort’s choice that made one of them the “Chosen One”.
Exactly, in trying to eliminate the greatest threat to himself Voldemort ended up creating it instead, because he rushed in to it without knowing the full prophecy. His own mistake led to his downfall, and he also died from his own spell which makes the ending of the series simply perfect.
Voldy literally CHOSE the ONE who would defeat him. Making Harry the literal CHOSEN ONE.
I've also heard the idea that if you interpret it as slightly vaguer (as many of Trelawney's prophecies were) as "The Dark Lord will mark him as his equal" counting by the death eaters attacking the Longbottoms (thereby acknowledging them as threats), he remains the chosen one. He was born in late July, killed the final Horcrux, had parents who "thrice defied", and was named an equal.
You mean in another universe right now, kids all over are reading and watching the Neville Longbottom books and movies???!
Probably would’ve been better of if neville was chosen since Harry’s would’ve probably survived giving Harry a better like while nothing would have changed for neville since he sadly already lost his parents in the main timeline
People forget that Neville was using his father's wand up until it broke in the battle of the department of mysteries, it's no wonder his spells were lackluster.
Thank you! You don’t see that point mentioned enough. Same reason why Ron was so bad at spells when using Charlie’s old wand.
@@ceilingsintheireyes6288 exactly!
Somewhat true, but as Mr. Carlin pointed out at 1:02, Neville's improvement started in DA, just before the trip to the Dept of Mysteries. Getting a new wand helped him continue to improve and gain confidence.
@@primmoore6232 you're right, but the fact that it wasn't his wand makes that improvement so much more impressive to me.
This, so much this.
Adding to Neville being brave all the time: He goes to the potions classes every freaking time! Even he's fear of Snape who teases Neville being bad at that subject. I mean, the teachers/professors are meant to courage to learn their subject, not to tease if their students seem to be bad at the subject.
No kidding, I took plenty of "sick" days in school and none of my teachers were my deepest darkest fear
Yeah, Snape's torment of Neville is the reason why I can never forgive him, no matter how many always he gives.
@@BeresVonSaladir Yeah, netiher can I forgive Snape 🙈 like, never
Actually I think that if Snape had actually taken the time to nurture his students that Neville wouldn't have been so bad at Potions. But from day one Snape was verbally, emotionally, and mentally abusing him. We already know Neville had a lot of self confidence issues (no doubt stemming from his family being so sure he was a squib for the longest time) to get that abuse on a weekly basis? I'm surprised he was able to do more than sit shivering in fear in Potions class.
@@vermontvampyre Completely agree. And look at Harry. He's from a Potioneer family on the father's side. His mom was great at potion. He already got Potion-making talents in his blood and Snape completely destroyed it. Five years with Snape, Harry learned nothing except to hide his mistake or endure abuse. When Harry or Neville makes a mistake Snape was never like 'Good effort, but you forgot to add x before y, now try again' as a good teacher would have said. It was always 'Has anything penetrated that thick skull of yours?' 'You're arrogant, like your father' or 'Famous Harry Potter thinks he can do everything right'. What student would improve with such teaching? And just look at OWL. Harry constantly got D or T (failing grades) in Snape's class and never succeeds in anything. But a month before OWL, Snape got angry with Harry and started ignoring him. That's the one month in five years that Harry got to study Potions to his full ability. The result? He got E in OWL, E as in the second best grade. When your student learns better when you're not paying them any attention, you know you're a horrible, horrible teacher.
Further adding to the honey badger connection is that what makes honey badgers so fearless is that their skin is so thick, making them nearly bulletproof. And what's something that we see Neville do constantly? Take a lot of punishment and keep going anyway.
So he's a ferocious exotic Hufflepuff?
@@lauramathews3151 Considering his eventual turn to badassery, I'd say yeah.
@@lauramathews3151 I mean he tried to convince the sortinghat to put him in hufflepuff
If you didn't post this I was going to make my own post about how Neville keeps blowing himself up and taking very little damage from it.
The idea of Neville being able to defy the laws of physics, including not being harmed by explosions is often associated with a concept known as toon force which is an idea of gag related reality distortion defying or changing the mechanics of Reality itself to suit different gags or tricks. Is there any possibility of a Patronus manifesting as a toon construct? A cartoonish distortion of an animal performing different gag/tricks? Also, to the point about Neville's journey into badassery, another animal associated with such behavior is the Wolverine. And an interesting fun fact, there is actually a species of frog, called the Wolverine frog, named for the berserker Marvel antihero Wolverine because like the Marvel character this frog can extend bone claws from its knuckles. So my guess for Neville's Patronus might be a Toon Honey Badger or Toon Wolverine that stands upright and features Wolverine style knuckle claws, and maybe even spike covered exoskeletel armor plates.
Hannah was the first one to have a breakdown during OWL year during Herbology. Personally I think this is when Hannah and Neville first connected.
I always assumed this too
Also Hannah's mother got killed in Half Blood Prince which maybe another reason for them to connect.
I think Neville could have something like a Butterfly.
Butterflies are basically the mascot for transformation and Neville transforms over the series from his scared, forgetful, weak self into a brave, powerful, wizard
That was me
Aw I also like this idea
I thought the same thing!
If thet's teh case it could've been a toad as well. They go through transformation like butterflies and it would also tie into his old self with his childhood pet.
Prob still forgetful
This genuinely answers sooo much:
We know that a Patronus can change- see Tonks in deathly hollows whose patronus changed into a wolf cuz she was in love with Lupin- a werewolf. So honey badger for someone married to a hufflepuff (badger) would be a similar comparision.
Also, both he and Hannah really enjoyed herbology, with Hannah going as far as to theorize that Sirius got into the castle disguised as a flowering shrub- which is the fact i thought of btw.
Headcanon: Hannah Abbot is a Honey Guide, a bird that eats bee larvae and has a symbiotic relationship with Honey Badgers. The Guide finds the beehive, the Badger brings down the hive, and they enjoy a meal together.
Hey! You earned the high five! Cool!
@@beastwriter3915 That's adorable actually.
And Neville initially begged the Sorting Hat to sort him into Hufflepuff because he was so intimidated by Gryffindor's reputation for bravery, but he might have thought that he'd be a good fit for a Hufflepuff too
@@irisblue7031 he would have been because he does care about other people, but he clearly values bravery. Kind of like how Wormtail is the most cowardly person there is, but seeks out bravery in others to hide behind. Neville admires bravery in others and sought to be like them.
Neville is truly a Gryffindor so I could potentially see his patronus being that of a lion due to his growth from a small and weak cub to a brave and strong lion. His confrontation against Voldemort is like a prideful roar to encourage the army at the battle of Hogwarts. His bravery and leadership is what is shown and awakened at the battle of Hogwarts.
I feel the same about it being a Lion
I would argue that it was awakened much earlier than that, when Bellatrix first escapes Azkaban. It was directly after that happens that we see him improving and it lit a fire in him that just grew and grew. By the time he stands up to Voldemort, he had already fought at the Ministry, rallied the DA, stood up to the Carrows more than once, and tried to steal the sword of Gryffindor from Snape's office.
I agree with everything else you said though!
Yup. My headcanon screams lion. I can imagine it bursting out of his wand, roaring, with its mane flying back. Slow.motion, of course.
I agree. He is the ultimate Gryffindor becase he is afraid but overcomes his fears; thats true bravery. Not being afraid is not as brave as fighting your fears. I would say lion or even a griffin. At the end a griffin is the symbol of the house and as it is also part eagle it would also follow the 'he kills snakes' idea sinc eeagles often eat snakes.
@@anvime739 Griffins are also symbols of royalty, pride, vengefulness, and more importantly Loyalty. They are the perfect hybrid of Hufflepuff and griffindor in a way. A Griffin was often used on coat of arms to show power but, for a time was also used on several flags including the now fallen country of Prussia having a creature very similar to griffin on their flag.
Jay: “The Patronus is Harry’s signature spell”
Expelliarmus: “ Hold my gold flames”
That spell is a jet of red light, not the golden flames the golden flames were a different thing
Yeah, expelliarmus is what he usually casts
But Harry's patronus takes a form that is unique to him, and specifically identifies Harry as the user. You know, almost like a handwritten signature.
@@lahlybird895 The golden flames were the results of the twin cores connecting but the spell he cast at that time was still expelliarmus. In the BOOKS that’s the spell that identies him by the death eaters in the battle of seven potters. Harry chooses to disarm rather than try to injure someone most of the time, this is well known by most characters in the BOOKS.
@@jackpfefferkorn3734 yeah so does everyone’s patronus. I don’t think there is one shared patronus that they showed in the books or movies. So literally everyone who casts a patronus has a different corporeal animal that identifies them specifically if cast strongly enough. That doesn’t make it his signature spell tho 😂. Harry is famous in the books for choosing to disarm his opponents rather than harm them. Whilst a patronus is only good for a few things i.e. warding off dementors and relaying messages.
I think Neville has Neville as a Patronus. He's just so much a badass that nothing else can represent him.
Neville, but the underpants model version of him... 😳
That expecto patronum was so unexpectedly funny 😂
Agree, totally took me by surprise 🤣
"translate to english" makes this even better
@@antitheist3206 😂😂😂
@@antitheist3206 waiting patron
You mean it is a Unexpecto patronum.
Your personal opinion that Neville is the most courageous of his classmates is entirely right and should be recognized by everyone.
I personally think it's a lion actually --- they are clumsy and have weak roars when they are young, but they come into their own as adults. Just like Neville!
Yes!
they're actually lazy af and just sit around and let the lioness hunt all day...
I was thinking that same thing!
@@chubby_deity3143 What makes you think Neville's patronus would be male?
@@9nikola i don't, i'm just responding to the comment that said lion
Honestly a Mongoose would be perfect for Neville. They eat snakes, birds and reptiles. also Mongooses can protect themselves from full grown lions.
Mongeese
Completely agree
My first thought was a lion, but yes, my second thought was a mongoose. Nagini is also (IIRC) the name of the female cobra from Rudyard Kipling's Riki Tiki Tavi, who is eventually killed by a (spoiler alert) mongoose.
But the honey badger works also. As does the lion. I'd accept any of these three for Neville. And the other possibility I thought of, given Neville's affinity for herbology: a bowtruckle!
And yes, I'd also say a good candidate for Hannah Abbott's patronus is the honey bee. Bees, like Hufflepuffs, are known for being industrious and hard-working, and living in cooperation with others, rather than on their own.
I was thinking mongoose too
@@Raxtus3106 Funnily enough, the plural form of mongoose is actually mongooses; not mongeese.
Neville's true patronus was the friends he made along the way
Lol. It's a ghostly white amalgamation of Harry, Ron and Hermione with 3 heads and 6 arms and legs. Luna and Ginny get added to the monstrosity over time.
Dementors see it and just "nope" out
That made my soul melt
yes
@@OverdriveGamesAnime a hydra made of an amalgamation og both trios
This is a beautiful comment
Neville was NOT actually a Hatstall. Him and Hermione were closest to being ones- the hat adamant on Gryffindor but Neville requesting Hufflepuff and the hat deliberating over Gryffindor or Ravenclaw for Hermione. But they were not Hatstalls.
The ones we know of were Professor McGonagall and Peter Pettigrew.
The book said that the hat took over a full minute to decide on Neville. How is that not a hat-stall?
@@sabrinaschell4938a single google search would have told you "A Hatstall was an archaic term for a student of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry whose Sorting took more than five minutes." So that's how. Because 1 is less than 5.
The Expecto Patronum intro is a *chef’s kiss*. Well done, Riley (I think Riley edits these videos, too.)
i agree, but i have to say, it also scared tf out of me, i was NOT ready for that lol
@@nynalee3626 same!!!
I nearly spat out my tea trying not to laugh XD
I would say Mongoose over Honey Badger, as they are also well known to kill snakes(cobras specifically)
nom I thought mongoose as well, but watch the TH-cam video on Honey Badgers. They embody Neville completely!
th-cam.com/video/4r7wHMg5Yjg/w-d-xo.html
Not saying they don't, just that when I think of Enemy of Snakes I think mongoose, not Honey Badger
Lol I could see Neville having riki tiki tavi as his patronus.
Yes!!!! And the point of Nag and Nagaina (pretty close to Nagini if you ask me) being the villain that Riki Tiki Tavi eats in the Kipling short story seems to nail it home!
@@xianartman You, you know what's up
Thestral would also be pretty good match.
Quote: "The second most rare patronus, only an unusual individual could produce a thestral.
Thestral patronus can be seen by even those who have no been close to death. This is due to them being summoned by a Charm and under the control of a witch or wizard.
Those with the Thestral patronus are gentle at heart and kind to those around them.
Those with this patronus have an understanding nature and will often make others feel like they are on the same wavelength.
If this is your patronus you may find people around you open up to you with things they have told nobody else.
Having such a gentle nature does make people with the Thestral sometimes at risk of being pushed about, however it is uncommon for someone to feel negatively towards those who cast this patronus.
It is important to say that those with this patronus often have the most gentle souls of all.
This patronus is extremely rare and can be found in all houses but most common is Hufflepuff."
Also the little death thingy.
I have Thestral myself :)
Same my patronus is also a Thestral
Neville probably doesn't even remember if he could perform one.
Haven’t seen the video yet. I’m going with a counterintuitive option: A snake. He slays Nagini, and snakes have a… wait for it… long bottom.
Edit: Having now watched the video I’m going to give myself credit for predicting the long bottom joke 😅 I still think snake might be even better than Honey Badger, though: Nagini is probably a King Cobra, and cobra are notorious because of their surprisingly frequent acts of cannibalism!
You were close.
You can't predict someone's Patronus.
"No reliable system for predicting the form of an individual’s Patronus has ever been found, although the great eighteenth-century researcher of Charms, Professor Catullus Spangle, set forth certain principles that are widely accepted as true.
The Patronus, asserted Spangle, represents that which is hidden, unknown but necessary within the personality.
‘For it is evident,’ he writes, in his masterwork ‘Charms of Defence and Deterrence’, ‘… that a human confronted with inhuman evil, such as the Dementor, must draw upon resources he or she may never have needed, and the Patronus is the awakened secret self that lies dormant until needed, but which must now be brought to light...’
Here, says Spangle, is the explanation for the appearance of Patronuses in forms that their casters might not expect, for which they have never felt a particular affinity, or (in rare cases) even recognise. Spangle is interesting on the subject of those unusual witches and wizards who produce a Patronus that takes the form of their favourite animal.
‘It is my firm belief that such a Patronus is an indicator of obsession or eccentricity. Here is a wizard who may not be able to hide their essential self in common life, who may, indeed, parade tendencies that others might prefer to conceal. Whatever the form of their Patronus, you would be well-advised to show respect, and occasionally caution, towards a witch or wizard who produces the Patronus of their choice.’"
www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm
But if you could, I'd say a swan because his story is that of the ugly duckling.
I wondered about snake, too, because I know they eat frogs and I think they would eat a toad, too.
#longbottom
Nagni doesn’t have the King Cobra hood though, and she’s got a slightly different colouring. I’m pretty sure she’s meant to be a reticulated python. (In the movies anyway, I don’t remember her description in the books)
Hannah Abbot was the first hogwarts student to be sorted in Harry’s first year 🖐
This is what I said too! Lol
Yes because her last name begins with a, as it was in alphabetic order.
My patronus is a honey badger!!!! That would be cool if that was Neville’s as well as he is my favourite character.
However, even before watching the video, I said his patronus is a lion. And honestly I still think that’s a better fit. His courage is what allows him to do all he did. Not to mention he is the only one to have endured an entire school year full of death eaters, and still showing defiance by running DA. It’s still the lion for me.
I feel like his patronus would be a lion, personally. he has tremendous courage and grit - both qualities we see in these big cats. It could also help to show his alignment to gryffindor, let alone it matches some other comments that metnion his growth. He's basically Simba.
I think Neville's patronus would be a bowtruckle like Pickett. 🍃
Well, now. There's a thought.
Can we talk for a moment about the number of students who clearly belong in other houses are placed in Gryffindor by Godric's own hat? Seems rigged. Hermione would absolutely be one of Rowena's students. And no one can give me a convincing argument as to why Percival Weasley's ambition didn't place him into Slytherin quicker than every Black before Serius.
I mean you gotta have even classes though.
Plus Ron should definitely be hufflepuff and the weasely twins could have a strong case for slytherin
His name is just Percy.
@@dothedo3667 is it? I always just assumed it was shortened for familiarity.
I figured since Percy was the one that would have born at the height of the war, and Molly and Arthur were original Order members, they had named him after Dumbledore.
And I would like to remind you that the patronus Luna is also her favorite animal ... yes, Luna is a living eccentricity.
A hare. But it's never stated that that's her favourite animal. She made a bracelet with a hare design because that's her Patronus.
Shame is wasn't a Crumbled Horned Snorkack or a Blibbering Humdinger.
@@brickbot2.038 Or a nargle.
@@PhilBagels And we mustn't forget Wrackspurts either.
@@brickbot2.038 Or a Heliopath, or Umgubular Slashkilter.
I hope Frank longbottoms Patronus was a honey badger too. It would nice because Frank's spirit would kind of live on in his son, as well as James in Harry's Patronus:)
I think Frank’s patronus would be more of a Wolverine. An animal close to the honey badger, but different enough that his wand wouldn’t recognize Neville.
@@xianartman this really freaka me out. What happened to the wands of James and Lily? Would they belong to Voldemort, at least James'? Were they buried with them? The phoenix-wand of Harry, did it only recognize Voldemort? When this part died, would Harry be even able to use his old wand after he repaired it, or could he use rather a wand that resembles the one of his father? Independent from what Rowling wrote... This will give me many sleepless nights...
@@kathzemiau7234 neither James or Lily pulled their wands on Voldemort. So possibly their wand wouldn’t change allegiance. As to Harry’s wand, as it was broken, no one but Harry could possess it, thus none of those were “won”.
It is an interesting question about deceased wizard wands. Is it tradition to bury them with their wands, as Dumbledor was? If so that would solve Harry’s parents wand locations. But what do you think?
@@xianartman I dont think it necessarily was that common to burry wizards with their wands as there are multiple instances of wands being passed down generations of family, however I do believe that alot of wands and especially those with stronger senses of allegiance would die with their masters and that in those cases they would be burried with them. Like you said with James and Lilly they never drew their wands against him and were never dissarmed and eapecially in the case with Lilly (whose wand I actually think Harry has the larger chance of sucessfully wielding due to its mistresses sacrifice) their powers would pretty much have faded uppon their deaths. There are 2 things that always boggled my mind tho when it commes to wands:
-Despite being a pureblood family and therefore being expected to have atleast a reasonable knowledge of how wandmagic should work with the wand choosing the wizard it appears Narcissa chooses Dracos wand while hes having robes fitted? Like are they purposefully handicaping their son? Theres no use in someone whos not the intended wielder looking at a wand.
- Ron starts off with Charlies wand. Now I understand hand me down wands as a family tradition, I also understand the weasleys not being able to afford a new wand for Ron. But! Charlie isnt dead? Like why would he have a spare wand to hand down? He had a unicorn hair core which are the most loyal ones so his wand should work fine for him. Did he get a new one for some reason? What would that reason be? Like if it was a passed down family wand wouldnt it make more sense to give Ron that one as it wouldnt have allegiance to another living wizard? Rather than having 2 wands change hands and saddling a beginner wizard with a wand that stubbornly loyal to someone else. (As I sidenote I think Obliviate bounced back perfectly on Lockhart more due to the core being even less loyal to him "Youre not even a Weasley!" mose so than being broken as when we se Rons soells bpunce back on him they domt perfecly chanel the original intent, for example vomiting slugs rather than being forcefed them)
@@Ami-zi6si reasonable objections, though I imagine Draco already had a private selection and just had his mother go through the red tape as his measurements would take longer to selected and alter as he was a very easy sorting (at least for the sorting hat) and probably didn’t have to spend nearly as much time as Harry did.
As for Charlie and Ron, Charlie’s new job may have afforded him a more aligned wand or better funding for a better fit or some other reason he would come up with to help his little brother out. I don’t think it was Mr and Mrs weasley alone who made that choice. The handme down wand was probably, like clothing, because the original owner had outgrown it or found something better.
What is your patronus?!!
Mine's a Scottish Terrier!
I got an otter, like Hermione.
Mine’s a Magpie. Apparently very rare and very strong. Glad my corporeal form is stronger and cooler than me lol.
mine's a husky🐾
Apparently mine's a Dolphin
Calico Cat ❤️
When you first mentioned an animal that eats snakes, for a split second I so thought you were going to say a MONGOOSE and I was SUPER excited (no pun intended) purely because I loved the movie Rikki Tikki Tavi as a kid. But whatever the Patronus form, Neville is always awesome!
Quick note - the mongoose is one of only 4 mammals (admittedly, the honey badger is another) immune to a dose of snake venom. 😎
I think Neville's Patronus is an elephant - a clumsy, not usually respected creature with a lot of potential and strength.
This is my new head canon
Associated with forgetfulness ( or never forgetting) and doesn’t he emulate an elephant in the scene where they eat the candy.
I agree with your reasoning but not the animal, elephants are pretty dexterous and wise. They have incredible eye sight and hearing. If you want a clumsy animal that doesn’t really know it’s own strength, you should look to a rhino. They can basically be like big puppies if raised around humans from childhood (not recommending this). They have terrible eye sight and are incredible clumsy. The main thing they attempt attack is safari vehicles. But if one is not in a good mood and you happen to be near it, it will most certainly destroy you. They really do not know their own strength and lack a lot of confidence when it comes to interacting with other bigger animals. They’ll run away from a hippo (rightfully so) rather than even attempt to mess with them. I would love for the tank puppy to be nevilles patronus
@@randalgraves6979 If that's true, it's only in the movie.
@@coolnerdlll6053 just looked it up and found a quiz where, yes in Prisoner of Azkaban he did an elephant noise. I haven’t read the books so … I believe you
Slightly disappointed that when you started talking about animals that kill snakes there was no "a mongoose" joke
Anyway jokes aside, I do think that mongoose is also a decent choice for Neville's Patronus, as they also fight snakes, are also known to be fearless, and also eat frogs (haven't found if they eat toads though, but close enough)
Yay! I love these types of videos! NGL I missed the "hey brother!"
Could you find some death eater's patronus? (Like Bellatrix, Lucius, Barty, etc)
Fairly certain it's been established death eaters can't conjure protronuses
@@vivianwallwood She has said most can't, but I don't really care what she says out of the books. Also, when has that ever stopped them from finding what it would be.
Their patronuses would be flesh eating maggots
@@vivianwallwood I believe there is indeed a quote somewhere from Voldy that states that the bad side doesn't know happiness and that's why they can work alongside dementors without issues. But intense happiness is also needed to conjure a patronus
@@Cora.T I don't think that would go for all death eaters. I don't always that Voldy is right, especially regarding other people.
Technically, weren't Harry's points at the end of the first year also for bravery? I seem to remember Dumbledore's exact words being "for pure nerve and outstanding courage"
I took that high five, because she's a Portrait Card in the Harry Potter TCG. And a rather interesting looking portrait, too, at that.
what the heck why does it look like that???
Great theory and checks a lot of boxes and makes sense. Well done. My own personal head canon was he has a surprisingly large patronus like an elephant 🐘. I just thought it would be cool and unexpected to see such a large powerful animal come from Neville. No actual research went in to this lol.
Based on my limited memory of a documentary I saw as a child. There are some birds that hunt poisonous toads and frogs by piercing their skin and eating only their liver (the part of the body that wouldn't be toxic). However this caused a weird affect that caused all of the frogs other organs to inflate and make it explode.
Neville Longbottom, my legit favorite character. So glad he got his moment in the end
I am so blown away! Honey badger never would have crossed my mind, but now, I can see it! He's totally like a honey badger. His aggression towards Voldemort is so mighty, like the aggression of a honey badger towards their prey. Neville goes from being very timid to very defensive and practically unstoppable. I'm sold on honey badger they are so accurate.
Loved the addition to the intro!! And the pun at the end!! Also also everything in between. You convinced me again J 😁
I LOVE this! Makes sense. Honey badgers are literally Gryffindors disguised as Hufflepuffs - literally Neville in a nutshell!
I was thinking about this the other day actually and my first thought was coral or a sea anemone or something that really looks like a plant but is actually an animal! Then again Neville has no strong connection to water and all animals that I know of like that are sea creatures. The honey badger idea is much better!
That expecto patronum gave me a heart attack lol))
Thinking on animals that kill snakes, the first one I thought of was mongoose. But honey badger fits waaay too well.
I think Neville's improvement in Dumbledore's Army had a LOT to do with that environment being encouraging & supportive, something he definitely didn't have with his grandmother, & rarely had in class, especially with professors like Snape.
Also, timing on this is interesting, cuz this came up recently on Cherry Wallis's channel: it's cannon that his patronus is non-corporeal
What exactly is the form it takes then?
Not entirely related, but I read an interesting fanfiction once, where Neville, and multiple other Griffindors, become Animagi. Neville, becomes a Panther. Just thought it was interesting.
For those interested, Ron ended up as a Squirrel, Dean a Crow, Hermione a Deinonychus(one with feathers, and because of the Time Turner she was wearing throughout the whole process, from start to finish), Ginny a Peregrine Falcon, Percy a Heron, Fred and George a Mink and a Pine Marten(Never confirmed which is which), Cedric a Badger, Cho a Swan.
They also have names, in the order listed: Neville - Lapcat, Ron - Nutkin, Dean - Upstart, Hermione - Clever Girl, Ginny - Perry, Percy - Issola, Fred and George - Trouble and Strife. Harry doesn't HAVE an Animagus form, as in this alternate universe, he became a dragon long before reaching Hogwarts.
@@HexanTronic do you remember the name of this fanfiction cause I think read it before but don't remember it anymore.
I think Neville's Patronus should be a butterfly .
As in the beginning of the books (like J said) he was the forgetful kid nobody really cared about, but in the end he is a main character .
Like a butterfly in its beginning its a caterpillar but then it grows into a beautiful butterfly
I love how you make all these crazy researches to feed our potterheads and turns out to be absolutely hilarious.
Keep your great job guys
I’m going to respectfully disagree, because one of Neville’s defining traits is loyalty. Honey badgers are loners, and don’t care about any other creatures much but themselves.
Personally, I think Neville’s patronas is an elephant. He’s loyal, elephants are associated with memory, he started small and clumsy and grew into a figurative giant, and if you were a toad, getting the heck away from a massive being like an elephant would be near the top of your priorities!
elephants have a really good long term memory though, not short term memory
MONGOOSE
@@JuWuestefeld That's where my head went, too, when he mentioned eating snakes. (11/26/2021)
Neville was always my favorite character as a kid because i really related to him, and i loved his character arc especially into the final book.
Interesting theory. Holds together fairly well, however when asked what animal is know for eating snakes, I immediately thought of a mongoose. Perhaps I just don’t know about the honey badger, but mongooses were never ruled out or mentioned… too Indian? Kipling not popular enough? What brought up the honey badger and not the mongoose?
Or Ichneumon? (Ichneumon is sort of a mongoose but lives closer to Europe)
Broooo I’ve seriously been wondering what made dumbledoor switch from the sharp suits to his hippy hat/robe look lol you should do a video on that
J: tell me ANY fact about Hannah abott other than she’s a hufflepuff and I’ll give you a Hugh five
Me: …………….she’s married to Neville….???
Good one xD
I said that too. Pretty obvious.
NEVILLE SHOULD BE WITH LUNA!!!!!!!!!!!
I would say “ Hannah starts with an H”
@@tobyhudgins9981 agreed but alas in canon they are married
I mean, I wasn't quite sold on it through most of the video, but the "long bottom" -argument convinced me. Amazing. Undeniable proof here, people!
I feel like theres a pretty obvious thing being overlooked here, nevil goes through a thurrow transformation, like comming out of a cocoon if you will, where he finally emerges stronger and freer and spreading his wings, plus he loves and has an affinity for plants, so it makes sense his patronus would be a polinator of some sort. So clearly Nevilles patronus is a butterfly. Mainly joking but also I feel like not only is the idea of a strong butterfly patronus hilarious but my arguments do hold some weight. Especially when you factor in the beauty and grace often associated with them and contrast that not with his flying ability but with his dancing efforts for the yuleball.
scb bringing back the honey badger memes in late 2021 wasn't on my bingo card but okay
if you've watched "the gods must be crazy 2" you KNOW how capable honey badgers are 😅
I can't with the writing of your videos 🤣 it's simply divine ❤️ and your acting is on point! Good Job J!
You could make a whole set Harry Potter books through Neville’s POV cuz bad stuff keep happening cuz he is the punchline of most of the book and we can see what happens to hog warts when the golden trio was away more
Thoroughly
I think it would be awesome to have the prequel stories from Sirus’ point of view and then it would be cool to have a couple compliment novels on Neville’s adventures and journey to professorship.
Loving the alliteration and the puns at the end of the vid. Great theory, J!
I think Neville's patronus would actually have been the same as Voldemort's, a bear! Both incredibly rare and difficult to conjure. It would add to the potential of Neville possibly being the chosen one, and a means by which he could outdo Voldemort, because I think if he was the chosen one, he would have had the opportunity and capability of conjuring a corporeal patronus, and therefore outgoing Voldemort.
Ahhh I've been wondering this forever! You finally made a theory on it!
I think a giant river otter would be a good patronus for Neville. They're very social among themselves, impressively fierce also very brave. They kill and eat caymans, anacondas and piranhas for crying out loud. Also anything that crosses them, including jaguars and humans
The giant river otter is related to the honey badger, both mustelids.
@@blakechow8294 it must run in the family. Cause wolverines are mustelids too
I’d love to see videos where you give characters from other fandoms(like marvel) patronuses
If Neville's is a honey badger, Hannah Abbot's patronus has to be a honeybee. That way we can make hb2 pencil joke as well. 😉🐺
Ok that intro was SICK!!
And the video was SUPER good and informative! you guys are the best!
Neville is my favorite character!! I think his patronus is an elephant!
My favorite too
No elephants are wise
I totally agree! This is one of my favorite videos I love Neville
Man, I love Neville
Dont we all!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers Plz make a video on "Why didn't the Golden Trio become Animagi ?"
11:55 Bravery and courage are NOT the same as fearlessness… By definition these qualities require something to overcome… What people often mistakenly call “bravery” and “courage”, without fear, are actually just recklessness. If you’re just reckless you’re not being brave, because you’re not overcoming anything or acting in spite of a difficult emotion.
Haven't seen the video, but I guess lion. Edit: I was wrong.
Very nearly
I have been waiting for this for so long and it did NOT disappoint! Your solution was in my top 3 guesses!
You can't predict someone's Patronus.
"No reliable system for predicting the form of an individual’s Patronus has ever been found, although the great eighteenth-century researcher of Charms, Professor Catullus Spangle, set forth certain principles that are widely accepted as true.
The Patronus, asserted Spangle, represents that which is hidden, unknown but necessary within the personality.
‘For it is evident,’ he writes, in his masterwork ‘Charms of Defence and Deterrence’, ‘… that a human confronted with inhuman evil, such as the Dementor, must draw upon resources he or she may never have needed, and the Patronus is the awakened secret self that lies dormant until needed, but which must now be brought to light...’
Here, says Spangle, is the explanation for the appearance of Patronuses in forms that their casters might not expect, for which they have never felt a particular affinity, or (in rare cases) even recognise. Spangle is interesting on the subject of those unusual witches and wizards who produce a Patronus that takes the form of their favourite animal.
‘It is my firm belief that such a Patronus is an indicator of obsession or eccentricity. Here is a wizard who may not be able to hide their essential self in common life, who may, indeed, parade tendencies that others might prefer to conceal. Whatever the form of their Patronus, you would be well-advised to show respect, and occasionally caution, towards a witch or wizard who produces the Patronus of their choice.’"
www.wizardingworld.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm
But if you could, I'd say a swan because his story was that of the ugly duckling.
J you had me in stiches with the long bottom pun at the end... Thank you for making my day with that one!
Hey J and Ben, do you think it's possible to have a human as a patronus?
I’d like that.
I love the idea of just a whole, fully formed dude scaring off dementors
Good idea.
I'd like a Yoda as a Patronus.
"Scary beasts, I drive away."
@@kayden8093just a mike Tyson esque human that clocks the dementors in the soul sucker
Neville's Patronus being a bumblebee is actually perfect for him. I know they say that patronuses can't be bugs (which I'd dispute since Rita Skeeter became a beetle and one's Patronus and animagus form tends to be connected) but I think it got perfectly.
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Love the little additions of unexpected Expecto Patronums and bloopers! 😂
No one is talking about Turning Red it's a human with power of turning into an animal monster. So many Pixar connections
lol love the 'EXPECTO PATRONUM!' at the start
At the end of Order of the Phoenix, I thought that Neville might have ended up being the chosen one at the end because of the line about thoughts causing deeper scars than most physical wounds. It was when they were talking about how long it would take Ron to heal after being attacked by the brains in the Department of Mysteries. In that book, we had some insight into Neville's psychological scars after what happened to his parents. Admittedly that would mean Bellatrix had marked him, not Voldemort, but I'm still a little disappointed that twist didn't happen.
10:02 Standing up to fears = brave. Absence of fears = fearless. 11:53 Honey badgers = fearless. AKA 10:11 "reckless".
You guys are absolutely geniouses the way you pull your theories. Respect!
why not a mongoose ? Since mongooses eat snakes and Neville killed Nagini...they're pretty brave as well and symbolize those who are always here for their family and friends, I mean, it kind of fits him well ?
Idk, Lion just sounds too big for him
edit : actually honey badger is very good too, with all the symbolic, I didn't thought about that
edit2 : woaa the ending tho-
Well, I’m sold! Neville‘s Petronas is a honeybadger and the Longbottom joke was hilarious!
8:40 Guess Ben didn't tell J where the honey was before he left for paternity leave
Wow this really all came together amazingly. Excellent jokes today J I cackled several times
Answering your question at 5:58 about Hannah Abbott. In Half Blood Prince book, Hannah was called out of a herbology lesson and told the news that her mother had died. She wasn't seen around for some time after that incident.
I started watching this convinced that there was no way you’d change my mind about his patronus being a lion. Now you cannot convince me that his patronus is anything but the honey badger!
man I was so prepared for you to say a mongoose when you said famous for killing snakes
I remember about hannah that her mother died in the half blood prince.
Actually, a honeybee would fit considering Neville's affinity for herbology and the importance of the honeybee in cross-pollination of plants
J: eats toads
Me: snake!
J: bad memory
Me: snake!
J: iconic moment includes snake
Me: snaaaakee?
J: lion?
Me: NO MONGOOSE!!!!!!!
J: HONEY BADGER
Me: *deflates*
Hannah Abbott fact: She tried to defend Harry's honour when Ernie MacMillan was accusing him of being the heir of Slytherin.
Did not expecto that intro 🤣
That expecto patronum during the opening theme when it should have been 'hey brother' actually scared me 😂😂😂
The honey badger “long bottom” part at the end really had me cackling out of nowhere like a crackhead at 6 am😂😂😂
This made me chuckle several times.
If you just regular kill someone and not use adava kedavra does your soul still split? Or does using adava kedavra somehow cause the soul to split??
I love Neville and I love what you came up with for his patronus. Have you guys thought of doing another series of "what if.." for the Harry Potter books? I think it would be cool if you guys did a "what if Voldemort had chosen Neville?" for books one through seven!
I was thinking mongoose this whole time, but honeybadger works too lol
Would've love a what if series where we follow Neville as the chosen one. And Harry's parents are Still living