I'm not usually the one to enjoy pointing out the negatives, but this may be the best Dice Tower video ever. The best part was when there was a standing ovation for a pun. Now I have something to strive for in my own life.
I don't care if we're talking comic con, movie / tv show casts, or whatever: I laughed harder with this panel than with any other panel dsicussion I've seen. Truly a fantastic group of people who just clicked together. And even after years of watching, I had NO idea how funny Sam actually was! It didn't seem to come through in the studio the way it does live, and that's a real shame. What a great panel!
I've watched a metric ton of their top 10s, and this was absolutely the most hilarious and entertaining one! Also, I was there live for it so I got lucky. After Dark baby!
I didn't know what to expect from the topic, but it turned out to definitely be one of the most lively, entertaining sessions. Thank you for the video and thanks for the topic pick Zee!!
By far the funniest Dice Tower Live video yet.. Really giggled during this one.. I completely agree about bad rule books being high on the list of get that out of my face... I shouldn't be more confused about how to play a game after reading a rule book then I was before I even opened the box. I also dislike cheap cardboard boxes that rip easily and paper money should be banned in games.
Loved this! I absolutely despise -Kickstarter exclusives -Striped/incomplete games that need expansions from the get go -Dummy player(s) -Semi cooperative games -games with forced partnerships that change(probably why I wont ever purchase Rising Sun)
This is mid 2020. And everytime I buy a games in wich cards doesn't fit when sleeved, it drives me nuts. I've got an awsome empty game box on my shelf, and a full deck box next to it to keep cards in. My number one.
Amazing list! @Tom and @DiceTowerSquad Any chance you could include the actual gameplay time and good player counts in your reviews? They are readily available on BGG for established games but if something is new it's difficult to assess.
Very entertaining! You guys surely had lots of fun doing this! On a side note, I just watched The Big Lebowski and I was amazed at how Sam Healey resembles John Goodman's characters angry attitude :)
I don't like cooperative games a lot because other people at least think they know better than me what I should do and it makes me wonder why I'm there at all
What a comedy trio. And there is no slapstick involved. I am reconsidering playing board games after watching you guys for a while.
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This is what I always loved about top 10s (or 5s, or whatever) with Sam, Tom and Zee: not only are their reviews always on point (regardless if I enjoy a certain board game or not) with all the relevant info, but they're always entertaining as well and make me laugh like crazy. And it's amazing how much chemistry they have between each other, it never feels like the humour is forced and it never feels like the entertainment part took too much of the serious review's air space. :D
Yes! Humor should come naturally from the established camaraderie of the group and not be forced through stale system mechanisms. Yes, so very much yes.
Okay, I don't think I'm as up-to-date on The Dice Tower as I first thought I was... *Who are the two ladies in this video?* I feel like I should know them from The Dice Tower but I don't D:
I agree with so many of these! I love this list. The one I absolutely agree with is the "dummy player". I especially dislike dummy players that are so easily "broken" like in 2 player Tokkaido
Kickstarter Exclusives......got those OUT OF MY FACE!! Plenty of games I've passed on when I find out I can't get a large chunk of the components because they were "exclusive" content, and too many of those are pivotal to game balance. Alt art, or prints, or shirts, or none "unique game component" stuff is okay, but "the only way to get this is through our KS pre-order" turns me off so much, I won't back new game lines that have them.
Fair call, but for every game that has kickstarter exclusive components that feel like the game is incomplete and broken without them, I'd say there's at least two or three more that has kickstarter content that's utterly broken and imbalanced, and essentially ends up being a decoration. To be fair, people backing on kickstarter are putting money up well in advance and without knowing for sure whether the game is good. There's now typically no discount compared just buying the game once it hits retail once you factor in shipping costs. So kickstarters backers getting at least something for the risk they're wearing isn't unreasonable.
ehm, Tom you've mentioned that you don't like to find out 2 players rules at the end of rulebook at at the same time you don't like it mixed.. so what do you like? Blank page?
I've actually managed to use the "swap hands" mechanism in a strategic way in Saboteur 2. One of the other players kept hitting me with "take that" cards, and I wasn't getting the "undo" cards. But there's another mechanism to get rid of "take that" cards, except it reduces your hand size each time you use it. So I got rid of all the "take that" cards, got my hand size down to 2 cards, and then swapped hands with that player. I now had a full hand of cards, and she had the 2-card hand. And yeah, I don't like having everyone change places at the table. Sometimes there are reasons why people sit where they sit. Sometimes a lot of people showed up at game night, and we barely managed to get everyone around the table the first time. So now with The Captain Is Dead, we play in the order of the characters' rank, and don't try to rearrange everyone so play can move around the table clockwise.
@@kissgg666 I hope I haven't given the wrong impression. This is better than the most recent "Overrated" one with all 6 people on the panel. Nothing beats the original "Overrated" with the three guys.
This was such a fun top 5 list! My favorite part were the OMG faces and reactions to other's entries. The best one was each person on the panel's reaction to Eric's #2. Each person had a different reaction, all hilarious. Especially the many faces of Mandi as she processed what was going on.
Man, I have beeen feeling Tom's number 3 lately. Rulebooks that combine everything together are the worst. I'm often playing a game solo, or two players, and I hate when I get to the end of a rulebook and see PAGES of additional info for modifications that I still have to read through. I'd rather they just gave another rulebook for those variants that covered that whole version of the game. It would cost cents.
I at first thought, she meant AuZtralia, because of mentioning trains. But honestly, this would have been trolling. Pretty much everybody into gaming was knowing the theme of the game and it being a sequel to ASiE well advance to the release. Some of the Time Stories modules had been far worse. They cried Spoilers to avoid people knowing initially what an overused garbage theme they will get instead of for instance a historical event, that would have been a quite interesting and promising theme on it's own.
It was the first game to came to my mind regarding "dummy player". But it is different here: it is a timer for coop scenarios, regardless of player count. And it has minimal book keeping, not like doing an actual turn for somebody else.
About player number and "the 2 player Mode at the end of the instruction" - thecliteral best board game of All Time aka Citadels does that and it is optimal for 2 or 3 (while being great at other numbers too) so like it CAN be done....
Am I the only one that HATES those giganormous square rulebooks? I get, I get it, your boardgame comes in a square box. Well, that doesn´t force you to make the rulebook as big as the box!!! Oh my, when you have to look something up in the middle of a game.... ahghh, horrible
I get what you are saying. I just care way more about the content than the physical size & shape. Now on the other hand, if the rule book is printed on such cheap paper that I need to *careful* to not tear the page or rip out the staple... NO.
Completely with you, especially if you either lose yours or the copy of the game is in a different language, and you need to print one out. You have to downsize it so much that you are in danger of not being able to read it.
Any game where people are required to close their eyes! Social deduction games where the deduction part is based on one action or selection that may have been the only choice that player being deduced had to play!
Mine is expansion cards that are a different size than the base game. Somehow, Rio Grande has managed to size twelve expansions of Dominion all perfectly. But most publishers can't get the same size right for even a single expansion. I'm looking at you, Trains and Lords of Waterdeep.
Um, what's the difference between the end of a game being determined by a roll of a D6 and drawing a card from a deck of 6, where 1 of them says, "Game Over." Hint: There's no difference.
Sam likes his dice chucking so much but hates roll and move. I sometimes get the impression that he makes up his lists out of one or two bad game experiences.
I completely agree with Mandi's #1 (Feld games also aren't this). Also...Roll and Writes that you pay for would be my #1. I'll happily play 30 Rails over most R&W's out there.
5. Games that copy Cards Against Humanity 4. Games that tell you to 'randomly pick a first player' 3. Games that have no art because it's an 'adult game' 2. Games with cards that expect you to learn new terminology to know what it does. 1. ROLL AND MOVE. STOP IT.
Not just games that copy Cards against humanity, but CAH itself sucks, you know your game isn't that funny when a random card from the deck has an equal chance of winning to the people trying
One big one for me: Actions that does NOTHING for the acting player (opponents loses/removes something or is otherwise set back, but the player taking the action gets nothing), the "being mean for the sake of being mean" actions. Firstly outside of someone wanting to ruin someone else's fun, they are pointless to take, they create a sour mood and generally leads to this back and forth retaliation between the players. I have no problem with stealing actions, because firstly they do not feel pointless to take as you get something out of it, plus having someone steal from you generally becomes more about which player has what they need than someone singling you out for any other reason. Swapping mechanisms are more iffy, especially if they are blind and/or especially if they are uneven (one big one was having to give away my hand of 8 cards in Everdell and get 2 in return - after spending several turns building it up - safe to say the Rugworth promos were removed from the game permanently after that, I was literally seething the rest of that game).
I don't mind them so much in a strictly 2 player game, but with more, I have to agree. You get a card, which helps all the other players except the targeted ones as much as yourself, another one just a card to be good for them? That's not a good mechanism.
I don't like them in 2 player games either. Attack actions/mechanisms belong in battle-type games, no in euros (which is what I mostly play), and I just don't care for being unnecessarily mean to other players.
I'm not usually the one to enjoy pointing out the negatives, but this may be the best Dice Tower video ever.
The best part was when there was a standing ovation for a pun. Now I have something to strive for in my own life.
this has been the most entertaining of these lists ever. thanks for the laughs.
It was just as funny watching it here as it was live.
Absolutely one of the best ever. Several laugh out loud moments.
"I can help a little bit" truth! Thank you Zee and BSG.
This was the funniest list ever! I tried to listen to it while I fell asleep, but I kept cracking up. I ❤️ Sam! So hilarious.
Listened to the show yesterday already - BEST in a long time Haven't laughed so hard in a while. Can't wait to watch it!
Wicked awesome panel Top 5 - one of my all time favorites! Great banter and fun lists!
That was extremely entertaining. I hope one day to meet Zee again and play some games. I love that dude.
You folks were in rare form - best top 5 yet!
I don't care if we're talking comic con, movie / tv show casts, or whatever: I laughed harder with this panel than with any other panel dsicussion I've seen. Truly a fantastic group of people who just clicked together. And even after years of watching, I had NO idea how funny Sam actually was! It didn't seem to come through in the studio the way it does live, and that's a real shame. What a great panel!
I miss Sam on these top 10 (or 5) lists dearly, and that is no slight against Mike who has stepped in gracefully.
This was hilarious. Listened to it first on podcast and had to watch parts of this to full capture the visuals. Had me laughing out loud.
I've watched a metric ton of their top 10s, and this was absolutely the most hilarious and entertaining one! Also, I was there live for it so I got lucky. After Dark baby!
That's awesome. at 35:30 Sam starts sounding exactly like Lou Costello!
I got a John Pinette vibe
I thought the same thing!
i gives me joy to see how mad people STILL are about Netrunner twenty years later.
I didn't know what to expect from the topic, but it turned out to definitely be one of the most lively, entertaining sessions. Thank you for the video and thanks for the topic pick Zee!!
Best Dice Tower panel video I’ve seen. It’ll be hard to top this.
Great stuff! Would be awesome to see Sam, Mandi and Suzanne back in a Dice Tower line-up.
By far the funniest Dice Tower Live video yet.. Really giggled during this one.. I completely agree about bad rule books being high on the list of get that out of my face... I shouldn't be more confused about how to play a game after reading a rule book then I was before I even opened the box. I also dislike cheap cardboard boxes that rip easily and paper money should be banned in games.
The 6 of you just work, absolutely love it - please do it more.
This is so much fun! Thank you for this!! Laughing out loud every 30 seconds!
Loved this! I absolutely despise
-Kickstarter exclusives
-Striped/incomplete games that need expansions from the get go
-Dummy player(s)
-Semi cooperative games
-games with forced partnerships that change(probably why I wont ever purchase Rising Sun)
If you truly despise these things, then you might not have your priorities straight in life... ;-)
Guess you don't like dead of winter.
This is mid 2020. And everytime I buy a games in wich cards doesn't fit when sleeved, it drives me nuts. I've got an awsome empty game box on my shelf, and a full deck box next to it to keep cards in. My number one.
Amazing list! @Tom and @DiceTowerSquad Any chance you could include the actual gameplay time and good player counts in your reviews? They are readily available on BGG for established games but if something is new it's difficult to assess.
The ending with Sam saying "What?!" was awesome.
That was hilarious! Very good theme for a list. So nice to see you all together 😁
Zee was savage this episode!
Very entertaining! You guys surely had lots of fun doing this! On a side note, I just watched The Big Lebowski and I was amazed at how Sam Healey resembles John Goodman's characters angry attitude :)
everyone killed it
what a show
Sam, you had me at "Programmable Movement + Take That!" 1000%!
Just started to watch this... looks very good
I don't like cooperative games a lot because other people at least think they know better than me what I should do and it makes me wonder why I'm there at all
I laughed SO HARD that the cats fled the room. Great show, gang!
To Mandi’s point (#2)- whenever my kids play Sushi Go Party they ask why the sushi on the tin aren’t in the game.
What a comedy trio. And there is no slapstick involved. I am reconsidering playing board games after watching you guys for a while.
This is what I always loved about top 10s (or 5s, or whatever) with Sam, Tom and Zee: not only are their reviews always on point (regardless if I enjoy a certain board game or not) with all the relevant info, but they're always entertaining as well and make me laugh like crazy. And it's amazing how much chemistry they have between each other, it never feels like the humour is forced and it never feels like the entertainment part took too much of the serious review's air space. :D
56:32 I sooo want a GIF of that Zee moment ! :D
Great time all! Thank you!!
Yes! Humor should come naturally from the established camaraderie of the group and not be forced through stale system mechanisms. Yes, so very much yes.
Loved seeing the whole crew together! This is a great (and funny from the get go) episode!
Someone is going to make a fart game and on the back of the box it's going to say, Suzanne from the Dice Towers says, "I like farts!"
Damn.... Next show should be "therapy with the dice tower"! Lol
Okay, "feasting the Odin" had me literally in tears
The energy was fantastic! Keep it going!
One of them is meeting you. From the get go! Zee!
Easily the funniest broadcast since Kaka Attack!
Okay, I don't think I'm as up-to-date on The Dice Tower as I first thought I was...
*Who are the two ladies in this video?* I feel like I should know them from The Dice Tower but I don't D:
Mandi and I are co-hosts of The Dice Tower podcast. I also cover board game apps for The Dice Tower (my segments air in Board Game Breakfast)
@@425suzanne PLEASE tell me what the whole roll and write thing is about? You guys are awesome btw!
35:29 Sam Healey or Sam Kinison?
Best top "5" list yet!!!!! Bring on the HATE!!!!! I think we all appreciate going "off the reservation"!!!!!!
One of your best great job
Yeah, I just gave you the 100 thump up and I really mean it. Such a good show and very funny interactions. What a feast for geeks like us😋😉
I agree with so many of these! I love this list. The one I absolutely agree with is the "dummy player". I especially dislike dummy players that are so easily "broken" like in 2 player Tokkaido
Kickstarter Exclusives......got those OUT OF MY FACE!! Plenty of games I've passed on when I find out I can't get a large chunk of the components because they were "exclusive" content, and too many of those are pivotal to game balance.
Alt art, or prints, or shirts, or none "unique game component" stuff is okay, but "the only way to get this is through our KS pre-order" turns me off so much, I won't back new game lines that have them.
Fair call, but for every game that has kickstarter exclusive components that feel like the game is incomplete and broken without them, I'd say there's at least two or three more that has kickstarter content that's utterly broken and imbalanced, and essentially ends up being a decoration.
To be fair, people backing on kickstarter are putting money up well in advance and without knowing for sure whether the game is good. There's now typically no discount compared just buying the game once it hits retail once you factor in shipping costs. So kickstarters backers getting at least something for the risk they're wearing isn't unreasonable.
"It´s that a thing?!" hahahahaahahahahah!!! Still makes me laugh :)
Stellar. Laughed the whole way through
This made me smile on Monday morning; with some guffaws on the side.
ehm, Tom you've mentioned that you don't like to find out 2 players rules at the end of rulebook at at the same time you don't like it mixed.. so what do you like? Blank page?
that felt therapeutic , it was to watch XD really loved this top 5!
On #2 Sam started to remind me of Abbot and Costello, Costello in particular. Hilarious great panel.
I've actually managed to use the "swap hands" mechanism in a strategic way in Saboteur 2. One of the other players kept hitting me with "take that" cards, and I wasn't getting the "undo" cards. But there's another mechanism to get rid of "take that" cards, except it reduces your hand size each time you use it. So I got rid of all the "take that" cards, got my hand size down to 2 cards, and then swapped hands with that player. I now had a full hand of cards, and she had the 2-card hand.
And yeah, I don't like having everyone change places at the table. Sometimes there are reasons why people sit where they sit. Sometimes a lot of people showed up at game night, and we barely managed to get everyone around the table the first time. So now with The Captain Is Dead, we play in the order of the characters' rank, and don't try to rearrange everyone so play can move around the table clockwise.
I tried multiple times to watch this vdo but it's always stuck in the middle somewhere...
This was fantastic. Even better than the Overrated one.
no
It is great but the Overrated one is a classic! Cannot be beaten so easily!
@@kissgg666
I hope I haven't given the wrong impression. This is better than the most recent "Overrated" one with all 6 people on the panel. Nothing beats the original "Overrated" with the three guys.
@@Mentat1231 Ah, yes, I was referring to the original Overrated list.
@@kissgg666 You mean the one which lead to the disclamer, Tom does now always before handing the microphone to the audience?
43:18 That's Area 1851, if anyone's interested.
Lol I’ve been wondering about that. Thanks
Awesome video guys, laughed so hard :)
Did Sam just do a little Lou Costello imitation there?
Doesn't the A Feast for Odin expansion actually lower the number of available spaces at less than full player count??
Susanne is my spirit animal
"And number 1 is 'That Gun' get That Gun out of my face!"
Hilarious guys! I had fun listening to this one
That was great. Great.
This was such a fun top 5 list! My favorite part were the OMG faces and reactions to other's entries. The best one was each person on the panel's reaction to Eric's #2. Each person had a different reaction, all hilarious. Especially the many faces of Mandi as she processed what was going on.
A zombie roll and write game called: Roll and Rot.
eep!
To this day I’m still curious which game mandi meant when she talked about the covers
Haha awesome episode, made me laugh multiple times.
that was so fun!
Man, I have beeen feeling Tom's number 3 lately. Rulebooks that combine everything together are the worst. I'm often playing a game solo, or two players, and I hate when I get to the end of a rulebook and see PAGES of additional info for modifications that I still have to read through. I'd rather they just gave another rulebook for those variants that covered that whole version of the game. It would cost cents.
Good people having a good time. Isn't that what gaming is all about? Thanks for the laughs.
Why didn’t Mandy name the game she was referring to?
That particular game was featured at the event and I think she was just being polite.
I at first thought, she meant AuZtralia, because of mentioning trains. But honestly, this would have been trolling. Pretty much everybody into gaming was knowing the theme of the game and it being a sequel to ASiE well advance to the release. Some of the Time Stories modules had been far worse. They cried Spoilers to avoid people knowing initially what an overused garbage theme they will get instead of for instance a historical event, that would have been a quite interesting and promising theme on it's own.
Mage Knight had about 4 of the things mentioned and in my opinion it is fantastic.
It was the first game to came to my mind regarding "dummy player". But it is different here: it is a timer for coop scenarios, regardless of player count. And it has minimal book keeping, not like doing an actual turn for somebody else.
About player number and "the 2 player Mode at the end of the instruction" - thecliteral best board game of All Time aka Citadels does that and it is optimal for 2 or 3 (while being great at other numbers too) so like it CAN be done....
the "trade hands" card ruined "dale of merchants". we never play with that faction. considering there are 5 factions....
Am I the only one that HATES those giganormous square rulebooks? I get, I get it, your boardgame comes in a square box. Well, that doesn´t force you to make the rulebook as big as the box!!! Oh my, when you have to look something up in the middle of a game.... ahghh, horrible
I get what you are saying. I just care way more about the content than the physical size & shape.
Now on the other hand, if the rule book is printed on such cheap paper that I need to *careful* to not tear the page or rip out the staple... NO.
Completely with you, especially if you either lose yours or the copy of the game is in a different language, and you need to print one out. You have to downsize it so much that you are in danger of not being able to read it.
God damn Robinson Crusoe lol
Any game where people are required to close their eyes!
Social deduction games where the deduction part is based on one action or selection that may have been the only choice that player being deduced had to play!
Mine is expansion cards that are a different size than the base game. Somehow, Rio Grande has managed to size twelve expansions of Dominion all perfectly. But most publishers can't get the same size right for even a single expansion. I'm looking at you, Trains and Lords of Waterdeep.
I was there on the side you can’t see me haha this was funny to watch
1:07:53 Tom's "pew-pew noises" game is Mag-Blast, if anyone cares. (It's not great.)
Sam was on fire!
Saw an older list just before this. Someone have really interesting playsessions with Eric Lang...
Man, Zee's number #1 is on point, don't get why they keep making those.
Um, what's the difference between the end of a game being determined by a roll of a D6 and drawing a card from a deck of 6, where 1 of them says, "Game Over."
Hint: There's no difference.
Sam likes his dice chucking so much but hates roll and move. I sometimes get the impression that he makes up his lists out of one or two bad game experiences.
So sad I missed this in person..this has got to be the funniest top 5! Thanx ya'll... you're hilarious and make a great team.
It was a shame they scheduled things like the Clank! tournament at the same time.
Speaking of horror... USAopoly is actually making "It" versions of Monopoly and Clue.
I completely agree with Mandi's #1 (Feld games also aren't this). Also...Roll and Writes that you pay for would be my #1. I'll happily play 30 Rails over most R&W's out there.
The funniest board game live panel I've seen.
What would have these guys knew at that time that a Twilight Imperium Roll and Write was coming 3 to 4 years later?
5. Games that copy Cards Against Humanity
4. Games that tell you to 'randomly pick a first player'
3. Games that have no art because it's an 'adult game'
2. Games with cards that expect you to learn new terminology to know what it does.
1. ROLL AND MOVE. STOP IT.
Not just games that copy Cards against humanity, but CAH itself sucks, you know your game isn't that funny when a random card from the deck has an equal chance of winning to the people trying
Dice Tower best Top "Something" Video nominee
52:25 I bid seven and I bid six and I lost SIX!!
Bloke 1: I got the action! :D
Bloke 2: I GOT NOTHING!!
. . . no . . . . get it out of my face.
One big one for me:
Actions that does NOTHING for the acting player (opponents loses/removes something or is otherwise set back, but the player taking the action gets nothing), the "being mean for the sake of being mean" actions. Firstly outside of someone wanting to ruin someone else's fun, they are pointless to take, they create a sour mood and generally leads to this back and forth retaliation between the players. I have no problem with stealing actions, because firstly they do not feel pointless to take as you get something out of it, plus having someone steal from you generally becomes more about which player has what they need than someone singling you out for any other reason. Swapping mechanisms are more iffy, especially if they are blind and/or especially if they are uneven (one big one was having to give away my hand of 8 cards in Everdell and get 2 in return - after spending several turns building it up - safe to say the Rugworth promos were removed from the game permanently after that, I was literally seething the rest of that game).
I don't mind them so much in a strictly 2 player game, but with more, I have to agree. You get a card, which helps all the other players except the targeted ones as much as yourself, another one just a card to be good for them? That's not a good mechanism.
I don't like them in 2 player games either. Attack actions/mechanisms belong in battle-type games, no in euros (which is what I mostly play), and I just don't care for being unnecessarily mean to other players.
Troyes is bad for this.
Nemesis is a semi-cooperative game that really works for my game group.