Hi Wren! just jumping in to say hi, unfortunately I have not seen season (or rather as they call them in the U.K., Series) 13 yet, so I'll have to come back and join you when I have!
This episode did not say anything about abortion. The clear argument it gave was if these babies are being born then they need to be given support and care. Babies for babies sake isn't okay when the welfare of the child isn't guaranteed. I though this episode was pretty nuanced. I'm glad to have heard your opinion :)
There is literally a line about how the babies are not allowed to not be born, but then they won't be taken care of. Ruby even replies that it's "Not that weird." That is one of the core pro-choice arguments for abortion. As in, you can't claim to be pro-life if you stop caring about the fetuses the moment they are born. I understand you may not have the context to understand this, but if someone points it out to you, you really shouldn't try to "nuh-uh" it with your specific lack of knowledge.
honestly it's been a WHILE since I watched that episode so I can't say I have a definitive opinion on it, but I do remember thinking it weird and out of character that the Doctor just abandoned Clara to figure things out on her own
I feel like the Pro-choice argument in the episode is a bit more nuanced. 1. The issue seems to be less with the fact that the planets government wont turn off the baby machine, and more to do with the fact that they aren't taking care of the babies. 2. Ruby's talking about the issue, and specifically her saying "It's not as crazy as you might think" has to do more with the fact that her mother didn't take care of her. While I disagree with your political opinion, I respect your political opinions there, but for Ruby's character specifically, it would make sense for her to be thinking about how they should be taking care of the babies after they are born.
THANKS for this!!!! Ah, another member of the legions of Chibnall critics :) It's clear the BBC had to do something and it did! (But I miss Jodie and fam :) ). As we saw from Seasons 1-4, RTD is a message writer. So you might have to accept this (Leftist) annoyance. (So to use your example, RTD is talking about *society's* response to a pro-life movement, not the act abortion per se: at least in America, the same people who think all births should happen also believe that only churches and private organizations should feed the poor and that people are not working hard enough if they don't have health insurance. As he does with other topics in his first NuWho round, it's the *lack of thinking about societal consequences* he's really critiquing.) And yep, eight episodes instead of 13 pushes folks to pick up the episode/season pace! I dig both because RTD, like Moffat, knows what he wants in a story! I don't think Ruby's going to develop a crush on The/this Doctor; he seems to be the Ultimate Gay Boyfriend (I'm saying that as a positive)! From the pre-premiere interviews I saw, he is purposely and clearly a Doctor for Gen Z! Fascinating point about how he was called The Doctor. I think the BBC would disagree with you. I *hate* the Timeless Child retcon (but RTD is doing so much and so well with it I might just *dislike* it soon :) ) and I *love* the Fugitive Doctor (I even got her comics)!!! I don't like "mavity" but I'll live. Whatever we list as the season and episode (I mean, it's really Season 40, episode 2, right? :) ), I think there is a lot to enjoy. Big credit to you for watching *all* of Classic Who, something I haven't done! I think I've seen every Three and Four, with only a smattering of the pre-Eight rest!
@@friendlyotaku9525 Well, among people online who hate everything post-Moffat (sometimes including Jodie). This is my first time here, but her view seems typical of them--too "woke," etc. I've been wrong before....
The "wokeness" I can deal with, even though I may disagree with the messages being presented. What I struggled with was the inconsistent writing, undeveloped characters and passivity of the Doctor (especially at the beginning)
Yeah I do have to disagree with you, and I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I think kindness is important but when it comes to abortion I believe a woman should have the choice over her body and I think there are good reasons for a woman to get an abortion such as: giving birth would put the mother's life in danger, the woman was forced to become pregnant against her will or simply the woman got pregnant accidentally (which does happen) but is not ready to have a child and/or the conditions are not suitable for a baby and a child should be in a good environment. That's what I believe.
Great video, keep it up! Hope you continue the reactions going through the new season
Hi Wren! just jumping in to say hi, unfortunately I have not seen season (or rather as they call them in the U.K., Series) 13 yet, so I'll have to come back and join you when I have!
You watched all of Classic Who but couldn't manage the 13th Doctor? 😭
Have you seen the Doctor Who: The Movie (TV Movie 1996)?
darleks invasion of earth is the best doctor who movie from the sixties 🤓👍.
I have indeed! Though its been a while and I'm due for a rewatch really
Space babies is actually episode one the Christmas special is ep 0 but Disney+ does not do 0 that's y they named it 1
This episode did not say anything about abortion. The clear argument it gave was if these babies are being born then they need to be given support and care. Babies for babies sake isn't okay when the welfare of the child isn't guaranteed. I though this episode was pretty nuanced. I'm glad to have heard your opinion :)
However, their laws essentially outlawed birth control.
There is literally a line about how the babies are not allowed to not be born, but then they won't be taken care of. Ruby even replies that it's "Not that weird." That is one of the core pro-choice arguments for abortion. As in, you can't claim to be pro-life if you stop caring about the fetuses the moment they are born. I understand you may not have the context to understand this, but if someone points it out to you, you really shouldn't try to "nuh-uh" it with your specific lack of knowledge.
As a pro life Doctor Who fan, what did you think of Kill The Moon?
honestly it's been a WHILE since I watched that episode so I can't say I have a definitive opinion on it, but I do remember thinking it weird and out of character that the Doctor just abandoned Clara to figure things out on her own
This is episode 1 not 2
I’m assuming she’s in the UK so this is irrelevant but in the US it’s listed as episode 2. They listed the Christmas special as episode 1
I feel like the Pro-choice argument in the episode is a bit more nuanced.
1. The issue seems to be less with the fact that the planets government wont turn off the baby machine, and more to do with the fact that they aren't taking care of the babies.
2. Ruby's talking about the issue, and specifically her saying "It's not as crazy as you might think" has to do more with the fact that her mother didn't take care of her.
While I disagree with your political opinion, I respect your political opinions there, but for Ruby's character specifically, it would make sense for her to be thinking about how they should be taking care of the babies after they are born.
THANKS for this!!!! Ah, another member of the legions of Chibnall critics :) It's clear the BBC had to do something and it did! (But I miss Jodie and fam :) ).
As we saw from Seasons 1-4, RTD is a message writer. So you might have to accept this (Leftist) annoyance. (So to use your example, RTD is talking about *society's* response to a pro-life movement, not the act abortion per se: at least in America, the same people who think all births should happen also believe that only churches and private organizations should feed the poor and that people are not working hard enough if they don't have health insurance. As he does with other topics in his first NuWho round, it's the *lack of thinking about societal consequences* he's really critiquing.) And yep, eight episodes instead of 13 pushes folks to pick up the episode/season pace! I dig both because RTD, like Moffat, knows what he wants in a story!
I don't think Ruby's going to develop a crush on The/this Doctor; he seems to be the Ultimate Gay Boyfriend (I'm saying that as a positive)! From the pre-premiere interviews I saw, he is purposely and clearly a Doctor for Gen Z!
Fascinating point about how he was called The Doctor. I think the BBC would disagree with you.
I *hate* the Timeless Child retcon (but RTD is doing so much and so well with it I might just *dislike* it soon :) ) and I *love* the Fugitive Doctor (I even got her comics)!!! I don't like "mavity" but I'll live.
Whatever we list as the season and episode (I mean, it's really Season 40, episode 2, right? :) ), I think there is a lot to enjoy.
Big credit to you for watching *all* of Classic Who, something I haven't done! I think I've seen every Three and Four, with only a smattering of the pre-Eight rest!
"Legions of Chibnall critics" ???
@@friendlyotaku9525 Well, among people online who hate everything post-Moffat (sometimes including Jodie). This is my first time here, but her view seems typical of them--too "woke," etc. I've been wrong before....
The "wokeness" I can deal with, even though I may disagree with the messages being presented. What I struggled with was the inconsistent writing, undeveloped characters and passivity of the Doctor (especially at the beginning)
@@WrensRamblings what messages do you disagree with exactly?
30:00 You've read WAAAAY too much into that.
Yeah I do have to disagree with you, and I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I think kindness is important but when it comes to abortion I believe a woman should have the choice over her body and I think there are good reasons for a woman to get an abortion such as: giving birth would put the mother's life in danger, the woman was forced to become pregnant against her will or simply the woman got pregnant accidentally (which does happen) but is not ready to have a child and/or the conditions are not suitable for a baby and a child should be in a good environment. That's what I believe.
Absolutely agree with you. Every woman should be free to exert a choice that concerns her and her body.