Unfortunately where I live in Australia, the TBS full crossfire setup. Would actually cost me $500 in Australian dollars with a receiver, postage included. Thankfully Frsky has thought of the everyday pilot that is not bankrolled by sponsors . The Frsky full setup with receiver postage free is $139, in Australian Dollars. Certainly the crossfire is top of the line with a full feature list .
14:22 don't worry buddy, they ARE making a profit. You'd be surprised how cheap these are to produce. When you understand this, then you can think about how TBS is actually super-expensive. TBS is doing it because they can - they have the best gear out there (quality control and features) and they know it, so why wouldn't they?
well in the end its with all the products available, but design and support, marketing is also a certain cost, and still everybody makes profit, otherwise it has no use to start a company ;)
You know what would be great? A breakdown of all of the R9 receiver options and maybe why you might choose one over another. I believe the options are R9, R9 Slim+, R9 Slim, R9 Mini, R9MM, and I think a R9 Stab is in the works.
I had the R9M and the Micro Crossfire. Hands down, the Micro Crossfire with the nano receivers (R9M has nano receivers now too). Trying to configure the R9M or update the firmware is like going back in time (solder wires... etc). I prefer "death". Also, for pilots in Europe at least, the R9M with 915MHz is a no go. With the Crossfire, changing the frequency is a matter of seconds, like changing the power, or the RSSI/LQ output channel... etc. LUA scripts and OTA updates are a winner. Micro Crossfire goes now up to 250mW and is more than enough for freestyle and +5Km flights (dipole "L" shape for freestyle and vertical Immortal T for medium range). Let's not forget the 150Hz update rate (if you are that sensitive with your latency). Also, if you don't want to carry another battery for external power, Micro Crossfire is the way to go. Oh, and updates... Crossfire is a continuously updated system. About the mod needed for the QX7 and X10... it's not a must, you can always use the software mod (but you should install the PCB inside. It's not that hard and warranty is unusable at many countries outside USA because shipping, Customs... etc). Anyways, that tells you how petty Frsky is (They make the transmitters, and only their modules are going to work fine). The old X9D works without any mod. If you pretend to go +10Km and you cheap out on the modules... well. Good luck. By the way, I'm not a TBS fanboy. I really hate them. Oblivion RTF is a bag of old hardware (the only good thing is the frame), Caipirinha 2 explodes if it hits anything and Crossfire is too expensive (any TBS product is too expensive "imo"). Already sold all my equipment. But... I have to give them credit. A plus for Frsky is that even they shipped 2.4GHz antennas at first (good job for a 900MHz system), now they seem to know what's the right length and they make custom antennas (even if the orientation of the TX module is always going to suck with that long dipole that can only be straight). TBS doesn't (apart from the TX "tuned" antenna). They do something between 868 and 915 (better to get some Actuna antennas tuned for the right frequency you use). Also, Frsky uses FPort on the mini receivers. That's a plus too. Hope this starts a price war. Not only a retailers war like already started or the "starter packs" that TBS is offering now, with 3 nano receivers.
Nice write up. Like I was saying in the vid. The R9M is mainly for quad guys who want to "fly up the mountain" without a failsafe. Anything more than that and you better have some GPS, RTH, and iNav going. Of course if youre going 10km out you want Crossfire. However the guys flying this module I know "Multi-Gp" and hobby guys. Are not flying 10km. Some not even 2-3km. They just want extended range to not failsafe. For that kind of money its a win win for them. If you're not flying 5-10 miles the R9M is totally fine.
Enrique Rumbo the eu r9m now has all the benefits of the other one following the latest update. Just waiting forthe open tx update to add the power options.
I really like the ease of updating both the RX and TX with TBA agent. I think that alone is worth the extra money. Learning how to update firmwares on my xm+ was a headache
Now your talking expensive... a complete R9 system with 5 receivers for the price of a single DL receiver.. This stuff fills the price and range gap perfectly. If DL (Mike) had read the writing on the wall, he would have dropped the price of his receivers (especially) to stay competitive and buyers like me would have just kept buying them, but now I moved on, and every plane saves me a fortune, with little sacrifice in range, and no more breeze block hanging off the back.
you can now update the RM9 receivers through betaflight pass through no need to take them out and the updating tool from frysky website so it makes it so simple now and also you can put them on fport one uart and positive and negative that's it .
You're right in saying that you can't use 900mhz in Europe - that band it's used for mobile telephones - but the R9M also supports 868mhz for use in Europe just like the tbs does. Both modules use the same chip. You just need the right firmware installed.
In the Frsky model setup create a screen and include GPS sensor, if added, and it will display last known. Also go into special functions and have it log telemetry every second or so. I can't figure out how to get maps to display long and lat. GPS coordinates from the logs on the cf card come right up in maps on my phone and have saved me probably hours of searching.
No. You don't have to go into the dvr to see GPS for the r9m. It's a full telemetry RX so you can display the GPS data on the tx's screen. I have this setup on my 2 lr rigs and it works fine. Also, the r9m is not new. It's been around for a while. Alot of ppl are buying bc of the price drop. And betaflight as of 3.4 has GPS rescue. So you don't have to use inav for rth. Also 900mhz isn't just for long range. I live in a hilly area. I can't dip behind hills and thick trees with my xm+ or rxsr. With my r9mini I can hover on the ground behind a hilly with almost no rssi drop. Video is still an issue, but that's not an frsky issue.
I've got the micro and it's awesome!! bought the bundle with 5 x rx's and the qx7 mod for £180. I've only just used my last rx. Oh and the bundle comes with 3x immortal t antennas too :) Full size is not needed as the micro is done all through the lua scripts so makes installation a breeze. Plus you'll probably never use half the stuff you get with the full size as once it's set up you just bind and go! Just my thoughts
hows your experience with the micro x fire after 9months? i figured id go ahead and try the micro out, ive been running the R9 system for the past year but im starting to have issues , not sure if my module is going bad but ive been wanting the crossfire for so long, wanted to see how it was doing for you?
All the videos i've seen so far on that module are good reviews. I was thinking of purchasing that module, but i what to wait and get more info on how to set it up on my QX7S Taranis first, so that i dont purchase it and get into trouble trying to set it up lol. Great video Justin.
Do you mean, micro is not recommended... The nano crossfire version is recommended? Which one would be a good option crossfire not being that of 200 USD?
Justin, are you saying that with the full-blown version of Crossfire that we do NOT have to do the "MOD" to our Taranis QX7 /X10S ??? I had just purchased the Frysky R9M system for my QX7 and I was going to buy another for my X10S, but if the Crossfire big-boy does it without modding the X10S then I want to buy the Crossfire... Just didn't want to tear apart my brand new TX to do the 'MOD" for the X10S, if it isn't necessary ;) Thanks brother and I wait patiently for your reply! Thanks for the great content Justin! Please keep it coming :)
You only have to turn down the baud rate on the qx7 and honestly the mod is pretty easy. Tbs just has more support and is easier to use. Plus the micro they just updated
I'm flying R9M R9slim+ uninverted Fport hooked up on Omnibus 3 wires for telemetry and control on one wire also you get telemetry on radio so you can get last gps fix right on radio also lua script working with Inav fly with no video by looking at radio
R9m been out for a while love it price is just right yea Tbs may have more features but price is the factor to me. Orbit 100 r9m and slim plus 100 and I’m a happy camper
lol, i regularly fly well over a mile away and often whilst a mile up at the same time without GPS and im doing it on 2.4ghz as well :) Its all about knowing the environment you fly in like the back of your hand so that if you go down you know exactly where to search and also knowing the limitations of your equipment.
I made the mistake of getting the TBS micro crossfire TX module and some nano RX’s, at first it was cool but I had to use the bind button on the nano’s to get them to load firmware and bind. And one of the buttons came apart on the nano RX trying to get it to bind. I had seen some friends have the buttons on their nano’s come apart also. I contacted tbs about the button and asked if they had any reports of the buttons failing on the nano’s. They got rude with me and said I was being to rough with the buttons, if you look at the buttons on the micro it is much better than the ones on the nano. Anyway the problem with the buttons and the attitude from tbs was enough for me. I had tried to bind the nano’s with Lua and the button on the TX module and would need to hit the button on the RX to get it to bind, and yes it has the latest firmware on the TX module. So now I believe I got a bad TX module also. But the attitude from TBS was the breaking point, I learned a good lesson that just because something cost a lot doesn’t mean it’s better. All the TBS stuff I bought is sitting in a box under my workbench and will stay there as a warning for me in the future !!!
I don't know if you mention this later, but you only need to make mods to the qx7 taranis and the horus (qx10?) The x9D+ doesn't need the baud rate mod.
I don’t want to be party pooper but with great power comes great responsibility, and you may wish to familiarise yourself with your regions regulations. Back in 2013/14, here in the UK, there was a high profile incident with a model flyer. Essentially he had a flyaway incident and his aircraft landed in a very sensitive area. Subsequently the MOD, the Police, and the CAA were involved. He was a member of the BMFA and tried to obtain legal assistance through their insurance. Unfortunately his radio gear didn’t conform to legal specifications so his insurance was nullified. The result was he had the book thrown at him. In the USA, and some other regions, holding a valid Amateur Radio exam pass will allow you to use some of this more exotic equipment but unfortunately here in the UK, and much of Europe, we are not afforded the same privileges, and yes I’m bitter about this as I’ve held a full Amateur Radio licence for nearly 40years and have a Masters in RF technology and yet my model flying tech is limited to the toy shelf.
Why aren’t the radio manufacturers using this signal in their new radios? I understand they suck more juice, but just use a much higher capacity battery as standard. Is the latency worse with the UHF bands? I wish they would make the change just for a robust link. I don’t fly long range, but would do anything to make the link as robust as possible.
I've had two 8 channel deversity recievers crap out on me in less then a year. Great range but They don't last. Always kept it safe no hard crashes. At 100+ dollars for a reciever has anyone else had this problem with the full size deversity receiver?
I have the older QX7S with no ACCESS. Should I get the R9 2019 module or the older one? Or should I go with Crossfire? But the problem with crossfire I’m seeing is I have to do a hardware modification.
thanks for the review , not sure what I should see from your video at the end. Are u showing us the scenery ? we need long range test in video not to see some flying around. I have videos like that also. please make proper long range test with r9m.
Nice to see a cheaper alternative for when I get ready for a longer range, larger quad...I noticed the lite version, with 100mW, I would assume that one is good for up to 1km? Couldn't find any mention of range for it on their site.
Hey Justin ... I have the r9m & the slim . TBS has bundle packages now that are cheaper . Waiting on the Nirvana & I was told there is going to be some special stuff with Crossfire . Just thought I would put that out there . Still debating on whether to get the Crossfire for the Nirvana . I personally hate having to update as many times as there are new updates with FrSky .
Brian Martinez you install an frsky GPS telemetry module on your model and the taranis can be set up to log the coordinates. the files can be used with google earth IIRC to show you a 3D plot of the flight
I think the gps coordinates shown on the taranis telemetry screens is the last known position. You still need gps on the model for it to work, but you wouldn't be flying long distance without gps and rth.
It won't. Your regular FrSky receivers are built for 2.4Ghz Band, not 900Mhz. You'll need to switch receivers, but they are quite affordable - on banggood they are in a 12$-40$ range.
As a QX7s owner, I'm sure I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that it's not so straight forward as plug and play. And I'd need to do a hardware mod to run the R9M. It's tempting though. just need to do more research I think.
I know you get into all kinds of RC stuff, so, how about doing a long range FPV in a vehicle? I've seen a video where a guy uses the Crossfire Lite and he hot fantastic range on a RadioLink transmitter. Can this be made to work with a land-based transmitter? How about boosting the video output to go with the transmitter range? Thanks.
Can either of these mod into a Flysky i6? I was originally going to spend ~$100 and mod it with a WiFi booster (2.4 Ghz, same as transmitter) and a biquad antenna. I'd get a lot more gain and power than either of these setups, but lower frequency has better penetration in general. I also have a Turnigy 9x (so I think the R9M would physically plug in), but I don't think they would work software wise. HAM licence: KG5YRN I'm just tired of crashing from loosing control when I can still see my 25 mW video feed on tiny micros.
Guys why does some pilots like mr steele use ‘full tbs crossfire’ instead the ‘micro crossfire’? Btw i know that the output power of the full crossfire module is more but why would you use it if you already has enough of range with the ‘micro’????
Can we use external power with this module? My radio drains my battery like crazy and don't fancy getting a dropout due to lack of power to the module.
I really cant even imagine using one of these, I get such crazy far INSANE range with just a simple lil xm+ as it is just hard to believe going any farther... Will these 900mhz systems perform much better close in going around houses and through buildings or way longer distance low altitude flights??
im building a big hexa for long range filming and i would like you guys to give me some advice on a nice tracker and long range system,,im using dji a2 flightcontroller and futaba t14sg transmitter, im using 2x6s 10amp for motors and 4s for the other electronics, need to have -divided osd for 2 different batt lvl -longrange system -A nice tracker for it (cheap as poss ) i wonder if there is a big diff in 400mhz vs 90o mhz when it comes to tx-rx and should i use 5,8ghz for video or go lower like 1,2ghz 1watt or 2 watt fpv transmitter ??
Do you have a video that explains everything you need for long range fpv or does anyone know of a video that clearly explains? If I understand correctly this is for your Transmitter range? What about the video signal for the fpv Goggles? Sry for these questions, I'm into rc cars and planes. I'm wanting to build a race style quad with fpv but I want the safety of knowing I'll have a good connection.
How do I keep my failsafe RTH from automatically kicking on I have a GPS hook up but it allows me only 100yards line of sight kicks on with even hiring the switch.
Got both systems, the one I do not trust is the TBS, I when to R9 for price, because I have to many airplanes, so far all R9Slims are fantastic, and is a lot more easy to change setting on my x9d with R9, plus TBS is a mess with vector. For the money and range, 100% R9, TBS is way over price for the same performance. and now with the controversy of the antenna from TBS telling hobbyshops, if you sell Frsky, you can no sell TBS, move more people faster to FRsky,.
so I hate these review videos that haven't done extensive testing on both systems . My friend who has the R9M updated to latest flex firmware and gets random fail safes. Put me right off Frsky. So I'd like to hear what has been the experience been with TBS - how reliable is it
Flex only works with nightly builds of opentx 2.2.3 which say right on them "do not fly" so he should be very careful. It's only released for testing. There are also many more ways to screw yourself over using the unlocked fw. Please tell your friend to join the R9 FB group if he hasn't already. We'd love to talk about his experiences. Version 180329 has always been stable. There are lots of people flying for R9M for months without issue, but we don't speak up as much as people with failures. If you look at the FB groups for R9 and Xfire, you'll see problems and failsafes are common with both systems, and are very often user related. I only know of two people who have used R9M and Xfire (full version) both extensively, and they've both stated very similar performance at equal power level. I think the main problem with the R9 system is the garbage antennas they include with the modules. Once you put on a TBS Diamond or TrueRC True-Mox, it's beautiful. All this is just to say that I'm all for both systems but, don't be completely put off frsky just from what you saw from your friend.
No cell systems on 900MHz. There are amateur radio systems on 900MHz. though You should understand that you need a valid amateur radio license to use any radio systems on the 900 MHz band. Don't tempt fate, hams can easily locate rogue RF transmitters, and they have priority on the 33CM band. You can't fool a spectrum analyzer!
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Unfortunately where I live in Australia, the TBS full crossfire setup. Would actually cost me $500 in Australian dollars with a receiver, postage included. Thankfully Frsky has thought of the everyday pilot that is not bankrolled by sponsors . The Frsky full setup with receiver postage free is $139, in Australian Dollars. Certainly the crossfire is top of the line with a full feature list .
DroneMatesFPV , nowadays you can get the tbs module from phaser fpv for about $250 Australian.
How do people get sponsored. Saw this girl. Flying less than a year. Practicing orbiting.. said shes sponsored by gemfan. And tagged them..
@@DavidReynolds-kr6yh wish tbs made one that fit x9 lite s.. (x-lite adapter doesnt fit right)
14:22 don't worry buddy, they ARE making a profit. You'd be surprised how cheap these are to produce. When you understand this, then you can think about how TBS is actually super-expensive. TBS is doing it because they can - they have the best gear out there (quality control and features) and they know it, so why wouldn't they?
well in the end its with all the products available, but design and support, marketing is also a certain cost, and still everybody makes profit, otherwise it has no use to start a company ;)
Not to mention that R9 is a shitty clone of the and lacks a lot of the good features crossfire has
@@adamlovell23 thats like saying a 15 dollar 2300kv motor is a clone of a 35 or even 40 dollar 2300kv motor....
Thank you for explaining all of that. You just answered many questions I had about both of these systems. I appreciate your work and your channel.
You’re welcome Greg. It’s not a bad system for the $.
I finally bought a module and I went full size with the Bluetooth. Thanks for your kindness and knowledge brother.
You know what would be great? A breakdown of all of the R9 receiver options and maybe why you might choose one over another.
I believe the options are R9, R9 Slim+, R9 Slim, R9 Mini, R9MM, and I think a R9 Stab is in the works.
I had the R9M and the Micro Crossfire. Hands down, the Micro Crossfire with the nano receivers (R9M has nano receivers now too). Trying to configure the R9M or update the firmware is like going back in time (solder wires... etc). I prefer "death". Also, for pilots in Europe at least, the R9M with 915MHz is a no go. With the Crossfire, changing the frequency is a matter of seconds, like changing the power, or the RSSI/LQ output channel... etc. LUA scripts and OTA updates are a winner.
Micro Crossfire goes now up to 250mW and is more than enough for freestyle and +5Km flights (dipole "L" shape for freestyle and vertical Immortal T for medium range). Let's not forget the 150Hz update rate (if you are that sensitive with your latency). Also, if you don't want to carry another battery for external power, Micro Crossfire is the way to go.
Oh, and updates... Crossfire is a continuously updated system.
About the mod needed for the QX7 and X10... it's not a must, you can always use the software mod (but you should install the PCB inside. It's not that hard and warranty is unusable at many countries outside USA because shipping, Customs... etc). Anyways, that tells you how petty Frsky is (They make the transmitters, and only their modules are going to work fine). The old X9D works without any mod.
If you pretend to go +10Km and you cheap out on the modules... well. Good luck.
By the way, I'm not a TBS fanboy. I really hate them. Oblivion RTF is a bag of old hardware (the only good thing is the frame), Caipirinha 2 explodes if it hits anything and Crossfire is too expensive (any TBS product is too expensive "imo"). Already sold all my equipment. But... I have to give them credit.
A plus for Frsky is that even they shipped 2.4GHz antennas at first (good job for a 900MHz system), now they seem to know what's the right length and they make custom antennas (even if the orientation of the TX module is always going to suck with that long dipole that can only be straight). TBS doesn't (apart from the TX "tuned" antenna). They do something between 868 and 915 (better to get some Actuna antennas tuned for the right frequency you use). Also, Frsky uses FPort on the mini receivers. That's a plus too.
Hope this starts a price war. Not only a retailers war like already started or the "starter packs" that TBS is offering now, with 3 nano receivers.
Nice write up. Like I was saying in the vid. The R9M is mainly for quad guys who want to "fly up the mountain" without a failsafe. Anything more than that and you better have some GPS, RTH, and iNav going. Of course if youre going 10km out you want Crossfire. However the guys flying this module I know "Multi-Gp" and hobby guys. Are not flying 10km. Some not even 2-3km. They just want extended range to not failsafe. For that kind of money its a win win for them. If you're not flying 5-10 miles the R9M is totally fine.
Enrique Rumbo the eu r9m now has all the benefits of the other one following the latest update. Just waiting forthe open tx update to add the power options.
I really like the ease of updating both the RX and TX with TBA agent. I think that alone is worth the extra money. Learning how to update firmwares on my xm+ was a headache
@@CoppertopFPV does this mean that the R9M will be using LUA scripts?
You really sound like a TBS fanboy tough. R9 is not an issue in EU btw.
I only just found this video, good advice. I bought the tbs crossfire like what you have latest model of course, love it.
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TBS?
Please, Dragonlink is the grand daddy of Long Range systems:-) Kids.......
You forgot EzUHF... “Kids”... 😂
Exactly. I was gonna say, if you actually wanna do LR, Dragonlink is the tried and true. A guy I know does 100km flights round trip with his. 😉😂
433 vs 900 mhz is not comparable, but yeah dragon is a nice system
Now your talking expensive... a complete R9 system with 5 receivers for the price of a single DL receiver.. This stuff fills the price and range gap perfectly. If DL (Mike) had read the writing on the wall, he would have dropped the price of his receivers (especially) to stay competitive and buyers like me would have just kept buying them, but now I moved on, and every plane saves me a fortune, with little sacrifice in range, and no more breeze block hanging off the back.
OpenLRS.ng is to ezhf and dragon link as the R9 is to crossfire
you can now update the RM9 receivers through betaflight pass through no need to take them out and the updating tool from frysky website so it makes it so simple now and also you can put them on fport one uart and positive and negative that's it .
Beautiful flying spot at the end! Thx Justin :) My minds made up.
You're right in saying that you can't use 900mhz in Europe - that band it's used for mobile telephones - but the R9M also supports 868mhz for use in Europe just like the tbs does. Both modules use the same chip. You just need the right firmware installed.
You should consider the recent frsky promo, 29$ for the r9 and a r9mm receiver, a no brainer for me!
Great video. You answered a lot of questions. All I need to do now is find a walk thru video on updating the firmware
the video was good at the end, but it would have been better if you showed your OSD so we could see the rssi.
I like your reviews, they are honest!
Great honest review. I cannot afford $250 and have ordered the R9 receiver and module. Thanks for the inspirational video.
Nooo cons ....updates takes 5 mins. The price is mind blowing and the range is even better. My only limitation now is video reception.
Do you use stock antennas?
Just received my R9,cant wait to go to the moon 🤪
New R9M users:
Step 1: Flash TX and RX firmware up to date. (180329 is best)
Step 2: Replace stock TX antenna. (Diamond or TrueMox)
Step 3: enjoy ;)
This works with regular set ups, right? No need to have proprietary receivers or whatnot?
Don’t forget the best and cheap option that is tried & true...EZUHF and it’s gotta physical power level switch gotta love it.
In the Frsky model setup create a screen and include GPS sensor, if added, and it will display last known. Also go into special functions and have it log telemetry every second or so. I can't figure out how to get maps to display long and lat. GPS coordinates from the logs on the cf card come right up in maps on my phone and have saved me probably hours of searching.
Super video informative video Justin. Thanks
Definitely a game changer that's awesome thanks Justin
Great review. You answered a lot of my questions. Thanks!
What about the VTX? What is the range on a VTX or is there a special one you are using?
Very interesting video Justin. I'm sure that this video is going to get a lot of views! :)
Uh oh. 29 dollars now in their special offer. Don’t tell tbs or wars will start.
as if they don't know... TBS threatened to end vendor contracts over this. Butt-hurtedness to the nth degree.
AcidFPV sarcasm...
yep, i know 👍
where?
FrSky R9M / R9MM Combo preorder for $30 at alofthobbies
No. You don't have to go into the dvr to see GPS for the r9m. It's a full telemetry RX so you can display the GPS data on the tx's screen. I have this setup on my 2 lr rigs and it works fine.
Also, the r9m is not new. It's been around for a while. Alot of ppl are buying bc of the price drop.
And betaflight as of 3.4 has GPS rescue. So you don't have to use inav for rth.
Also 900mhz isn't just for long range. I live in a hilly area. I can't dip behind hills and thick trees with my xm+ or rxsr. With my r9mini I can hover on the ground behind a hilly with almost no rssi drop. Video is still an issue, but that's not an frsky issue.
but not 1w with full range telemetry. only 25ma in europe with telemetry
@@holoduke51a I think they changed that with the new flex fw.
If it has the same problems like my 3 defective R-XSRs, well then great..
15 bucks more for a TBS Setup and you will not have any more problems.
I've got the micro and it's awesome!! bought the bundle with 5 x rx's and the qx7 mod for £180. I've only just used my last rx. Oh and the bundle comes with 3x immortal t antennas too :)
Full size is not needed as the micro is done all through the lua scripts so makes installation a breeze. Plus you'll probably never use half the stuff you get with the full size as once it's set up you just bind and go!
Just my thoughts
hows your experience with the micro x fire after 9months? i figured id go ahead and try the micro out, ive been running the R9 system for the past year but im starting to have issues , not sure if my module is going bad but ive been wanting the crossfire for so long, wanted to see how it was doing for you?
so you don't have to mod the qx7 for better baud rate if your using the full version of crossfire??
All the videos i've seen so far on that module are good reviews. I was thinking of purchasing that module, but i what to wait and get more info on how to set it up on my QX7S Taranis first, so that i dont purchase it and get into trouble trying to set it up lol. Great video Justin.
Do you mean, micro is not recommended... The nano crossfire version is recommended? Which one would be a good option crossfire not being that of 200 USD?
I'm still have a Zip disk laying around here somewhere.
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I remember the day when the WSJ reported that Dell was going to put Zip Disks in their computers. It was the nail in the coffin for their competitors.
Wow 50$!!!!! GAME CHANGER!!!!! Wonder if it works as good as the other??
GREAT FLIGHT FOOTAGE!!!
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Justin, are you saying that with the full-blown version of Crossfire that we do NOT have to do the "MOD" to our Taranis QX7 /X10S ???
I had just purchased the Frysky R9M system for my QX7 and I was going to buy another for my X10S, but if the Crossfire big-boy does it without modding
the X10S then I want to buy the Crossfire... Just didn't want to tear apart my brand new TX to do the 'MOD" for the X10S, if it isn't necessary ;)
Thanks brother and I wait patiently for your reply!
Thanks for the great content Justin! Please keep it coming :)
Michaelfromfremont I second this. I would like to know if you can use the big crossfire module with out a mod on your QX7?
Michael, I'm interested in this as well...
What do we need to do to get Justin Davis's input ?
C'mon Justin, give us the dirt!!!
from what I heard and researched you still have to do the mod on the 2w xfire. Stingy from RR has talked about this
Just ordered 1 of them, 2 days ago...got a r9m and mini receiver for 30$ . That's crazy
Andre M me too
Was it the lite version??
You only have to turn down the baud rate on the qx7 and honestly the mod is pretty easy. Tbs just has more support and is easier to use. Plus the micro they just updated
R9 just launched, just wait and see (the price of CRSF drop lol)
I'm flying R9M R9slim+ uninverted Fport hooked up on Omnibus 3 wires for telemetry and control on one wire also you get telemetry on radio so you can get last gps fix right on radio also lua script working with Inav fly with no video by looking at radio
That’s badass ⚡️
R9m been out for a while love it price is just right yea Tbs may have more features but price is the factor to me. Orbit 100 r9m and slim plus 100 and I’m a happy camper
Nice Ivan. :)
lol, i regularly fly well over a mile away and often whilst a mile up at the same time without GPS and im doing it on 2.4ghz as well :) Its all about knowing the environment you fly in like the back of your hand so that if you go down you know exactly where to search and also knowing the limitations of your equipment.
Does this work just like the normal ACCST module for the QX7, etc..., but with longer range, or is a special receiver required?
I made the mistake of getting the TBS micro crossfire TX module and some nano RX’s, at first it was cool but I had to use the bind button on the nano’s to get them to load firmware and bind. And one of the buttons came apart on the nano RX trying to get it to bind. I had seen some friends have the buttons on their nano’s come apart also. I contacted tbs about the button and asked if they had any reports of the buttons failing on the nano’s. They got rude with me and said I was being to rough with the buttons, if you look at the buttons on the micro it is much better than the ones on the nano. Anyway the problem with the buttons and the attitude from tbs was enough for me.
I had tried to bind the nano’s with Lua and the button on the TX module and would need to hit the button on the RX to get it to bind, and yes it has the latest firmware on the TX module. So now I believe I got a bad TX module also.
But the attitude from TBS was the breaking point, I learned a good lesson that just because something cost a lot doesn’t mean it’s better. All the TBS stuff I bought is sitting in a box under my workbench and will stay there as a warning for me in the future !!!
I don't know if you mention this later, but you only need to make mods to the qx7 taranis and the horus (qx10?)
The x9D+ doesn't need the baud rate mod.
What about the video transmitter, would I just connect it to this?
I don’t want to be party pooper but with great power comes great responsibility, and you may wish to familiarise yourself with your regions regulations. Back in 2013/14, here in the UK, there was a high profile incident with a model flyer. Essentially he had a flyaway incident and his aircraft landed in a very sensitive area. Subsequently the MOD, the Police, and the CAA were involved. He was a member of the BMFA and tried to obtain legal assistance through their insurance. Unfortunately his radio gear didn’t conform to legal specifications so his insurance was nullified. The result was he had the book thrown at him. In the USA, and some other regions, holding a valid Amateur Radio exam pass will allow you to use some of this more exotic equipment but unfortunately here in the UK, and much of Europe, we are not afforded the same privileges, and yes I’m bitter about this as I’ve held a full Amateur Radio licence for nearly 40years and have a Masters in RF technology and yet my model flying tech is limited to the toy shelf.
There are two versions of the firmware. Non-EU, and EU versions available on the Frsky website.
Why aren’t the radio manufacturers using this signal in their new radios? I understand they suck more juice, but just use a much higher capacity battery as standard. Is the latency worse with the UHF bands? I wish they would make the change just for a robust link. I don’t fly long range, but would do anything to make the link as robust as possible.
Betaflight has return to home now. They call it GPS recovery.
Gps rescue. github.com/betaflight/betaflight/wiki/GPS-rescue-mode
I use it. Its perfect
I've had two 8 channel deversity recievers crap out on me in less then a year. Great range but They don't last. Always kept it safe no hard crashes. At 100+ dollars for a reciever has anyone else had this problem with the full size deversity receiver?
Do the EU and US versions differ in range and capabilities? Does the EU version still go up to 1W or 2W tx power?
Are you going to do a set up video ? Got my R9m on its way 😀
That does change things some, hoping for the competition to step up their game, let's get an affordable "crossfire" that is easy and not buggy
If you have a frsky quad you don’t have to install that receiver right?
I have the older QX7S with no ACCESS. Should I get the R9 2019 module or the older one? Or should I go with Crossfire? But the problem with crossfire I’m seeing is I have to do a hardware modification.
So with full blown crossfire. You don't need to do the mod on taranis x7s? It will just plug in a work?
What about the R9 SX? How is that receiver setup?
thanks for the review , not sure what I should see from your video at the end. Are u showing us the scenery ? we need long range test in video not to see some flying around. I have videos like that also. please make proper long range test with r9m.
YES TRUE
Nice to see a cheaper alternative for when I get ready for a longer range, larger quad...I noticed the lite version, with 100mW, I would assume that one is good for up to 1km? Couldn't find any mention of range for it on their site.
They say up to 10km
It says 10km right on their specs on the site
Nice video!!
Hey Justin ... I have the r9m & the slim . TBS has bundle packages now that are cheaper . Waiting on the Nirvana & I was told there is going to be some special stuff with Crossfire . Just thought I would put that out there . Still debating on whether to get the Crossfire for the Nirvana . I personally hate having to update as many times as there are new updates with FrSky .
the Taranis can log telemetry data, for example GPS coordinates
What I said in the video 👍🏻
Brian Martinez you install an frsky GPS telemetry module on your model and the taranis can be set up to log the coordinates. the files can be used with google earth IIRC to show you a 3D plot of the flight
I think the gps coordinates shown on the taranis telemetry screens is the last known position. You still need gps on the model for it to work, but you wouldn't be flying long distance without gps and rth.
What about all my small Frsky drones with built in receivers will this bind to them and make a difference to rang ?
It won't. Your regular FrSky receivers are built for 2.4Ghz Band, not 900Mhz. You'll need to switch receivers, but they are quite affordable - on banggood they are in a 12$-40$ range.
Thanks for latest info.
In order to use this module does everything have to be Frysky(receiver transmitter module)?
Hey I think I saw a woodhog stickin his snoot out from behind one of those bushes by that little creek, can you mount a 22 on that drone mate
As a QX7s owner, I'm sure I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that it's not so straight forward as plug and play. And I'd need to do a hardware mod to run the R9M. It's tempting though. just need to do more research I think.
NO hardware MOD needed. Nope. Nope.
@@dronecamps oh nice... thanks for the info dude. And keep the videos coming.
Is that r9 slim receiver in your hand supposed to be soldered to the drone? Or does it stay in the r9 transmitter?
soldered
Nice! I might have to grab this and dust off my 9 year old Skywalker on 1.2GHz video! :) thanks
Thanks mate great content, just got mine arrived too, changing all my 5 inch Roosters to the R9 mini, if I can work out how to do it👍
10KM range... but which video transmitter is working at that distance?
I know you get into all kinds of RC stuff, so, how about doing a long range FPV in a vehicle? I've seen a video where a guy uses the Crossfire Lite and he hot fantastic range on a RadioLink transmitter. Can this be made to work with a land-based transmitter? How about boosting the video output to go with the transmitter range? Thanks.
That antenna is a dipole 1/2 wave design.
Can either of these mod into a Flysky i6? I was originally going to spend ~$100 and mod it with a WiFi booster (2.4 Ghz, same as transmitter) and a biquad antenna. I'd get a lot more gain and power than either of these setups, but lower frequency has better penetration in general.
I also have a Turnigy 9x (so I think the R9M would physically plug in), but I don't think they would work software wise.
HAM licence: KG5YRN
I'm just tired of crashing from loosing control when I can still see my 25 mW video feed on tiny micros.
I've been wondering the same thing.
I'm a total beginner, what are these products?
Simply range extenders for the controller? Or something more special?
Exactly for extending range and reliability
any FCC restriction in US to use long range flight?
sorry, but only not buy the TBS micro on the taranis Q X7(s). the Taranis X9d works just fine
Guys why does some pilots like mr steele use ‘full tbs crossfire’ instead the ‘micro crossfire’? Btw i know that the output power of the full crossfire module is more but why would you use it if you already has enough of range with the ‘micro’????
Can we use external power with this module? My radio drains my battery like crazy and don't fancy getting a dropout due to lack of power to the module.
Yeah you can, or rather you actually have to use an external power module with it, he even says it somewhere in the first five minutes of the video :P
I really cant even imagine using one of these, I get such crazy far INSANE range with just a simple lil xm+ as it is just hard to believe going any farther... Will these 900mhz systems perform much better close in going around houses and through buildings or way longer distance low altitude flights??
hi Drone Camps rc is this crossfire module can be install in the Flysky f i6 ? thanks
And What is module video to google glass? and antenna
Thanks. Very interesting video. I’m going to get a TBS what GPS do ya recommend?
Ublox Glonass
Awesome vid Justin! Think you can work in a video on how to do the updates on the r9m module and rx?
Will the RM9 work on my Jumper T16?
How to ok install TBS on RC car?
im building a big hexa for long range filming and i would like you guys to give me some advice on a nice tracker and long range system,,im using dji a2 flightcontroller and futaba t14sg transmitter, im using 2x6s 10amp for motors and 4s for the other electronics,
need to have
-divided osd for 2 different batt lvl
-longrange system
-A nice tracker for it (cheap as poss )
i wonder if there is a big diff in 400mhz vs 90o mhz when it comes to tx-rx
and should i use 5,8ghz for video or go lower like 1,2ghz 1watt or 2 watt fpv transmitter ??
Really informative, Justin. Do you know where can I get a chart of range (km) between the different FrSky receiver models? XM vs XM+ vs XSR vs R9 etc?
No but that would be a nice visual. Oscar Lange has some nice testing on those
No tripod mount? Bummer
Does someone know if the 900MHz FRsky R9M will interfere with GPS?
Does the R9M work with the Jumper V2 transmitter?
Do you have a video that explains everything you need for long range fpv or does anyone know of a video that clearly explains? If I understand correctly this is for your Transmitter range? What about the video signal for the fpv Goggles? Sry for these questions, I'm into rc cars and planes. I'm wanting to build a race style quad with fpv but I want the safety of knowing I'll have a good connection.
How do I keep my failsafe RTH from automatically kicking on I have a GPS hook up but it allows me only 100yards line of sight kicks on with even hiring the switch.
Does the tbs antenna work with that module?
Got both systems, the one I do not trust is the TBS, I when to R9 for price, because I have to many airplanes, so far all R9Slims are fantastic, and is a lot more easy to change setting on my x9d with R9, plus TBS is a mess with vector. For the money and range, 100% R9, TBS is way over price for the same performance. and now with the controversy of the antenna from TBS telling hobbyshops, if you sell Frsky, you can no sell TBS, move more people faster to FRsky,.
thank you very much 😁🙏👍🍺❤️
I thought they run a 3 cell battery?
No
so I hate these review videos that haven't done extensive testing on both systems . My friend who has the R9M updated to latest flex firmware and gets random fail safes. Put me right off Frsky. So I'd like to hear what has been the experience been with TBS - how reliable is it
Flex only works with nightly builds of opentx 2.2.3 which say right on them "do not fly" so he should be very careful. It's only released for testing. There are also many more ways to screw yourself over using the unlocked fw. Please tell your friend to join the R9 FB group if he hasn't already. We'd love to talk about his experiences. Version 180329 has always been stable. There are lots of people flying for R9M for months without issue, but we don't speak up as much as people with failures. If you look at the FB groups for R9 and Xfire, you'll see problems and failsafes are common with both systems, and are very often user related. I only know of two people who have used R9M and Xfire (full version) both extensively, and they've both stated very similar performance at equal power level. I think the main problem with the R9 system is the garbage antennas they include with the modules. Once you put on a TBS Diamond or TrueRC True-Mox, it's beautiful. All this is just to say that I'm all for both systems but, don't be completely put off frsky just from what you saw from your friend.
They’re all on sale too. For like $30-$50. Don’t pay $90
Any problems with 900MHz around cell towers?
No
@@dronecamps Thanks.
No cell systems on 900MHz.
There are amateur radio systems on 900MHz. though
You should understand that you need a valid amateur radio license to use any radio systems on the 900 MHz band.
Don't tempt fate, hams can easily locate rogue RF transmitters, and they have priority on the 33CM band.
You can't fool a spectrum analyzer!
How does this long range equipment work with the faa line of sight requirements?
It doesn’t
Now what you need to do is run these on the PL18 Paladin.