Absolutely well informed video on the Zizzo Urbano and Liberte! Thank you! I have the Zizzo Via and purchased it in person at their main office/warehouse store in Union City, CA. I spoke with Tony (the whiz tech) for Zizzo and Janie the sales rep. Both personable nice and informative people. They were great! No regrets regarding my bold orange Zizzo Via. Love it! Folded up fits nicely in the cargo space of my SUV. Tony and Janie also provide the best customer service and Tony has numerous “how to” tutorial youtube videos on just about every issue or questions on the Zizzo bikes you may have. HAPPY RIDING!
As far as I'm concerned this is the definitive video that everyone considering a Zizzo would DREAM someone would post (especially if you're the neurotic type like me - who does too much homework on every purchase). It's what convinced me. Many happy miles later, I'm very glad it did! Thanks so much for posting.
I ordered my Liberte yesterday, ordered with fenders ( I will ride in Manhattan ), A video that convinced me was a Brompton guy looking for a second bike, he bought the Liberte second-hand and did a second review 6 months later after heavy use, he was surprised how good the bike is, he just have issues with brakes, that he need to change earlier, but overall recommended the bike, good bike. And in my experience, the customer support is also good. I was at first going to buy Dahon Vybe D7, but the customer support was not responsive, so Zizzo captured me! Also a website I guess called Folding Bike Guy did good reviews for Zizzo ( also Dahon mentioned ). Looking forward to my Liberte, which I will also commute on a bus ride…
This is the best review I’ve seen yet. Thanks so much for sharing. The detail in your video and description gave me perfect insight that was much needed after such a grueling researching process. 🙏🏾❤️
Nice review. I got the Via on sale for $305 a couple years ago. I was looking at the Liberte since it is the lightest, but the Via had fenders and bigger tires. And couldn't argue with the price, even if it was 4 lbs heavier. I have been very happy with it. Bought a second one for my wife. We don't ride a lot, but I expect these things to last for quite some time. They are well built.
Thanks for the great review. I was deciding between the Urbano and Liberte and I'm glad I bought the Urbano eventually. I'm looking forward to every ride, knowing that I can clock 500 miles or more comfortably :)
Thank you for the review. It was helpful to know that the Urbano and the Liberte ride the same. I wanted the fatter tires for more stability on bad pavement and roads.
@@chadlieb2437I watched it, the best review for Zizzo, convinced me to buy Liberte yesterday, but I will keep the original tires to keep it a bit lighter for bus commuters to Manhattan
Thanks for wonderful video. I was thinking about the Urbano and NOW I will buy one thanks to your super duper review. I also like the Liberte because I do only road riding in the city and like the quick release feature and 1 pound less is 1 pound less carrying to subway platform or train station plus airport etc. Also love your photos and fun and enjoyable presentation :-) With gratitude 🙏
Great review, the same bike basically except the tires and quick release. To make the Liberte more all-terrain a wider tire with quick release for tire repair. I have the Bazooka folder (no longer in business), the same bike engineering, and all but with better components. I am from the bay area and only 15 minutes away but have not visited their showroom yet. Thanks for your review.
You will be happy to know that you can swap tires. I just spoke with a Zizzo rep who said that the Liberte can handle at least up to a 2.4 in tire with its rim. There is a another TH-camr who did a review and said that he has used many different wider tires, and had very good luck traversing through even snow and moderate mountain bike trails with his Liberte.
I actually wound up replacing my original tires with awesome Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires (1.75"x20"), They are very resistant to puncture, even though they do add a little extra weight... But I'm weighing 235 lbs now-a-days, I'm not going to fret about a heavier tire !!
Great review! Thanks for sharing! Was initially going with the Liberte but after watching your review, just ordered the Urbano for its wider tires, thus more versatile and as you say, you experienced little to no difference in riding speed between the two. The quick release hubs of the Liberte would have been nice but, everything is a trade off ...
No, your review was not too long! And useful as well! It's looks like I want the Urbano, but I'm unhappy with the color choices of drab gray (which I'll likely get) and garish orange. i agree that the Urbano's tires and seat make it a more flexible bike. Wish they had the Urbano in black or white as in the Campo or the devilish black or powder blue as in the Via. Again, thanks for the video, BachBaby from Dallas.
You explained well how to fold, many people mess around without folding properly. I ordered yesterday Liberte to ride in Manhattan, hope it will also work to take a bus! Ah, you can change the Liberte tires, it’s not an issue. But the fast-release wheels are good for thieves, so no way to leave this bike outside!
Very nice comparison video! I just purchased my Urbano today and should arrive in 4 days. I was also on the fence between the two models, but I think the tires and seat pulled me to the urbano as well. Cheers!
I bough an Urbano a few days ago after my Liberte order was cancelled due to "out of stock" by Costco. I am glad I got an Urbano. Great companion video. Thanks!
Thank you so much for your humble reviews. I was thinking to buy liberate because it is the lightest. However, after watching your video, I decided to buy the other one. Thanks for your very thorough and thoughtful review!
Excellent video my friend, they are both really good bikes and you did a good job explaining the differences. I hope you upload some rides and show us how they go and stop.
nice video and you explained everything and showed what you were talking about ,both sound great ,thicker tires would be nice ,so would quick release,you said no issue going up hills,yer another video said it was better to walk them up so not sure, maybe experience is the answer,anyway thanks for info, great help, stay safe always .👍💙🇺🇸🇺🇦
Hey Warren, unfortunately I never made a video when I boxed up my bike for our trip to NZ. But I can describe briefly what I did. First thing is I cut down the original box the bike came in to keeping the same width of the box, and if I recall from memory was about 22" x 28" (or 23" x 27" - something like that). The goal is to avoid airline charges, total measurement of the box cannot exceed 62" total for your bike to travel as a normal piece of luggage. You might have to fudge with getting the bike in the box, but it does go in and my bike survived the 20 hours of airtime just fine. Some things that you HAVE to do to make it fit: a. You must remove both wheels, b. I removed the derailleur and put it into a small box for protection (you can leave the chain attached). I used a plastic 64oz juice bottle cut in half and taped the end up to keep the derailleur in the bottle. c. The pedals must also be removed and placed in a small box to avoid banging around and scratching the bike frame. d. The last piece to take apart is the handlebars, remove the quick release on the TOP of the handlebars, keep track of the order of the small parts when you take the quick release apart. The handlebars will just hang from the cables. (retract the handle stem down after removing the handlebars). -- (also be sure to take the quick release parts with you!!! that would be a bummer not to have at your destination) e. Remove the seat post and maybe the seat (see below). f. Finally fold the bike and put it into the box, you will have to play with it quite a bit, because once the folded bike is in the box, you have to make room for those wheels g. I found that interlacing the wheels' hubs into each other's spokes turned out just fine in the end, for protection have your gear cluster pointing away from the outside of the box. h. Juggle the handlebars (still connected with cables) into a good position that works with everything jammed in there. i. Lastly, I was able to drop the seat post (with the seat still attached) down through the mass of cables, wheels and bike. Remove the seat if you need to. That's what worked for me, hope this gives you some ideas, if I ever have to repack my bike again, I'll video it next time (I left my bike in NZ) Just a note, be sure to do the one basic protection for transporting any bike: use spacers on the fork and rear where the wheel is normally mounted. The last thing you want is a crushed front fork! Yikes
@@bikethetrails8155 Thank you!! Because of your video, I got an Urbano! Very light weight. I did find a video of how to pack it into a suitcase, that was also very helpful. th-cam.com/video/waYKfnc0RX4/w-d-xo.html
Great comparison. What about getting some 2" tires and tubes and putting that on your Liberte? Mine is a different brand but has the same frame and 1.5" tires. I want to put on 2.10" for a little more comfort and trail worthiness.
Excellent video. Only now I don’t know which bike I would want to buy. Definitely like the quick release but I wouldn’t mind having a wider tire. But it looks like two excellent choices can’t go wrong with either one.
I like the wider tire myself, the quick-release is just a luxury in my opinion... if I get a flat, removing the wheel off the bike is the easy part. Pulling the tube out, or patching a tube, or pumping the tire are all way more involved than loosening/tightening the nut holding the tire. I just carry a small wrench along with by patch kit/spare tire, takes 20 seconds longer without the QR.
Thank you very much for this video. I do not think it was too long. I appreciate very much the information you gave. I’ve been wondering which one to get.
Thanks for your comparo video! This is something I am looking forward to do once I get on the road. I was wondering if the frame on the Liberte allows for the thicker rim / wider tires of the Urbano. Is the frame width/tire clearance the same on both? I would love to have: 1) A thinner tire set for road days using the same rims if possible. I would downsize from the 1.5 tire width to one of these below: Schwalbe Durano 1.125 (28-451 ISO) - This would make for the fastest pavement ride possible for someone like me who enjoys going fast. It does have some puncture protection. or Tannus airless semi-slick in 1.125 or 1.25 - This would be slightly slower due to the nature of the compound but it is a set it and forget it so I won't have to worry about inflating the tires at all or riding through the worst dumped-out street and getting any punctures. AND 2) Another set (of course it would need to have another Shimano HG 11-32T 8 speed cassette in the rear wheel) for MTB trail days. The tire and rim would both have to be as wide as possible to open up to more riding trails conditions: No, I won't be doing any jumps but it would ride through some of the rougher-condition trails. Maxxis Creepy Crawler 20 X 2.50 or A dirt road motorcycle tire, I've found out that a 2.5 wide - 17 incher MAY fit as the sidewall dimensions are a bit different (taller). Shinko SR 241 (they also come in 2.75-17 and 3.00-17 which may be too wide for both rim and frame) or A variety of Kenda tires, which come in 2.40 (Booster Pro), 2.60 (Slant Six Pro) or 2.80 (Kaos) Tannus also makes a tire insert called the Armour which adds 13 to 15 mm of puncture protection at the bottom and 1 - 2 mm on the sidewall. This, in combination with a smaller, thinner inner tube since the insert takes up so much space, allows for you to drop the tire pressure a bit more, making it a little bit slower, with more traction/control and less worries about a flat tire.
Wandering American - No problem, the weight limit on both bikes is 240 pounds, and I did most of my riding at 250 pounds! Never had a problem. I'm happy to say I'm below the 240 lb now-a-days (not by much, but I am below it!!!)
If you ride your bike regularly like I do. 5 times a week. Around 13 miles a day round trip to and from work. The weight should come off you. If you reign in the junk food too. started off at 231lbs after the lockdown. And a year later I'm 178lbs. And feel so much better and fitter.
Very nice review thanks! I liked those places in NZ just beautiful sceneries. And yes I agree that the Urbano with fatter tires and comforter saddle is a better choice. I may consider the Forte with the rack and it can hold more weight Thanks again
Consider an ebike conversion with a Bafang BBS02 or Tongsheng TSDZ mid drive kit. It looks like the bottom bracket is removable so you could slip the motor on. 68 mm bottom bracket is ideal width. Should be ok with ground clearance w/ 20" tires. You have the water bottle mount for battery. Too bad no disc brakes, it would be a fast rig.
I'm contemplating exactly that. I'm wondering what size chainring to get with the bafang. Do they make one big enough for these tiny wheels? Also a little worried about the brakes.
@@MrMarnold6 52 tooth is largest Stock chainring - BBS02 w/ Luna Cycle. A std cassette is 12 - 28 teeth. Do a 90 rpm pedal cadence on 52/12 tooth ratio - 20"=23 mph, 27.5"=32 mph. Note BBS02 max throttle spins faster than you can pedal. Regarding brakes, could a 20" suspension fork work? 20" is a common BMX bike wheel size Smoother ride & front disc brake mount. May not fold as flat but good upgrade if it works. I have an Lectric XP that's 66 lbs Heavy. Guessing 27 + 18 = 45 lb Zizzo electric bike. Good luck with the conversion if you do so.
Hello, Thank you for the video, I have see the same design in many different brands, right? Trinx, Mint, Madison Monona, Dahon, Tern, Pheonix etc, I suppose they all have similar qualities. I have a question, if you would be so kind to answer it. Would you recommend that kind of Bikes for rough surfaces? It seems that you often uses in for rail trail. Maybe in the future would be nice to see that kind of video, since for a long time I have doing research on it and no much on it. Specially for that kind of 20 inches wheel bike. you mentioned something about 1.5 inches and 2 inches, what did you mean ? Thank you for your guidance
Hey Peter, I have used my Zizzo Urbano on some moderately rough roads/trails. I typically ride mostly on dirt trails, but 80% of them are nicely graded. I have encountered rougher riding surfaces and the Urbano has done quite well. The Zizzo Urbano comes with 1.95 inch wide tire (hence the 2" reference I make in the video) that is quite stable on uneven surfaces,. However, let me share a cautionary lesson that I did experience on one ride this past summer. The 20" wheel size can be tricky on some uneven surfaces. The lateral control (left to right) I find is quite good, several times I have ridden off the side of a trail to avoid other trail users with no problem... BUT there was one situation I will share with you. This applies to any smaller wheel bicycles: Forward motion over varied undulating terrain can be tricky. On one ride in August 2021 I came to a rough part of a trail, and ahead of me was a dip in the trail, that to me seemed like I could bounce down one side into the dip and have the momentum to ride up the other side. Well I was quite surprised when my 20" wheel went into that dip (which apparently was exactly 20" across) and locked my front wheel in that hole suddenly stopping my bike cold. Amazingly thanks to the size of the bike frame itself, I was able to get both feel down in time so I didn't go over the handlebars. I was quite lucky, because of the speed, the back end of the bike actually whacked me hard from behind nearly knocking me down after the initial save. I was lucky that day, and learned a lesson, 20" are not for rock hopping or wheel locking holes. So, in conclusion, it does fine on an uneven road/trail as far as tracking, but big dips in the road trail watch out for!
Hi Dave, the bike folds to a slimmer profile with the seat reversed, it will fold without reversing, but might as well get an extra 2 inches to fold into (plus without reversing the seat, the magnets that holds the bike in the folded configuration do not connect)
Hey Michael, the rims on the Liberte are a bit narrower than the Urbano, so putting larger tires on the Liberte may be exceeding the ability of the rim to hold the tire... it could work out OK, but the Urbano rims are wider for a reason I'm guessing.
Just aheads up. Three times the chain has fallen off the front chain ring of my Liberte. Twice to the inside and then the outside of the chain ring. Perhaps Ill be able to fix this recurring problem by moving and tightening the plastic chain guide that is mounted to the down tube. It was loos from the factory. May still be a good value if I can stop this. But a bike with a chain that is constantly falling off is worth nothing.
Hey Gary... I did have my chain fall off twice, once while WALKING the bike off a ferry landing, I bounced the unloaded bike down the loading ramp and the chain popped off, and the other time when somehow the chain worked it's way on to the top of the chain guard, don't know how that happened. Then a third time I started getting a scrapping sound, the chain didn't come off, but the issue was, guess what, it was that chain guard again. In the end the chain guard for me clearly was the problem, and I've removed the chain guard from all 3 bikes and no longer have a problem with the chain falling off or making noise while riding. I should also mention, the first time the chain came off (the ferry ramp incident), the chain guard made it very hard to get the chain back on... so another reason for removing the chain guard in my opinion. Not saying it will fall off again, if you bouncing it down a staircase, or ride on rough terrain where the bike bounces a lot, or back-pedal the bike, especially while shifting could all lead to the chain coming off. The chain guard I do believe was good intentioned, but as I said above, if your chain comes off, getting it back on WITHOUT the guard is so much easier!
Hey Yogi, I'm 5"11" and I have no issues, that being said, Zizzo does offer an optional seat post with an additional 2 inches in length.... zizzo.bike/products/extra-long-seatpost
@@bikethetrails8155 nice to hear my liberte arrives today. iknow im gonna switch out seat to a high end seat. we can assume my new seat will sit lower than stock seat. guessing. i wonder it the seatpost is standart 26.2 seatpost. oh forget that idea. no seatpost is gonna fit that bike as look at the horrendous height of that thing. im weighing about 190 so i might be ok........on the weight issue. BUT WILL THE TWO INCH LONGER SEATPOST PUT TOO MUCH STRESS ON BIKE. I WILL ASSUME ZIZZO HAS TESTED THAT......SO FAR ZIZZO HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO ME. I THINK THE TWO INCHES MORE SEATPOST LENGTH WILL WORK BUT THEN MY FRONT END OF BIKE WILL SIT TOO LOW .......I WILL SEE SOON. BOTTOM LINE IS THE VIDEOS IMEI ETGLEOT E
bottom line is the videoss im seeing people riding the bike. (not neccesarily your videos) the people are not riding proper leg position. A PERSONS LEGS SHOULD BE ALMOST COMPLELTY EXTTENDED AT BOTTOM OF STROKE. COMMON KNOWLEDGE
Hi Chung, No problem asking the question. The observation of speed between the Urbano & Liberte is a combination of my own subjective observation and a bit of a fixed "test". Nearby to my home is a forest highway named Bear Notch Rd, it is nicely paved 2-lane highway that glides up through the forest gaining 1,200 feet in elevation over a distance of about 3.5 to 4 miles. My "speed test" was between the two bikes, it took me the same amount of time to ride that distance, regardless of which bike I rode. It's not very scientific, but to me, the ride time and speed was very similar between the 2 models. So to me, I'd rather have the wider tires and comfy seat of the Urbano. Let's face it, they're 20" wheeled folding bikes, not racers, but between the two I find them just about the same. I should also note that I can do the same ride faster on my full-size Surly Long-Haul Trucker (more gearing choices uphill), but not tremendously faster than the folding bikes. BUT downhill is a different story: the full size Surly was significantly faster, where both the Urbano and Liberte with their 20" wheels rolled slower down the hill. No doubt due to the fact the smaller 20" wheels spin 25-30% faster than the Surly. To answer your question more directly, the Urbano & Liberte they both have the same speed at slower speeds and higher coasting speeds. Compared to a full-size bike, the lower speeds are comparable, but higher cruising speeds are better on a full-size bike.
@@bikethetrails8155 The liberte is made for upgrades. My friend Has it. And he put a 58 tooth hollow tech crankset on it. And rockbros carbon tubed pedals. And litepro 451 racing wheels. With Schwalbe durano 1.1" racing tyres. And it flies. He has hit speeds close to 30mph on it. He chose it to start with because its the lightest sub $500 folding bike on the planet. And with his upgrades he got it down to 20.6lbs from 23lbs. So for a total of around $800 he has a high performance folder. That can go as fast as most road bikes. Certainly non carbon roadbikes.
Sure.... www.amazon.com/RaceFace-Chester-Pedal-Black-Size/dp/B018J1J7QE/ These pedals are great, very lightweight and they grip the bottom of your shoes. The downfall is the pegs that grip may get your shins when mounting or dismounting your bike, you'll get use to avoiding them after a couple of "bites"
Forget money. Do you like the bike. Does it feel good under you? People fuss over a few hundred quid for stupidity. Then waste it on nonsense. The Zizzo Liberte is the best bike on the plant for around $500 its a miracle. The weight for starters just 23lbs. Is unheard of at this price point. The Zizzo Liberte should be the best selling folding bike on the planet right now. If people had a clue and any sense. And Zizzo should be marketing it better. And making it readily available outside of the U.S. They created the greatest budget folder of alltime. And people in the UK for example can't get hold of it easily.
Hey Greg.... well approximately I would say way too much! But the more specific answer is I vary between 240-250 lb -- depending on season. So I general run right at and slightly above the Zizzo limit, but I've never had any problems. now excuse me while I enjoy a couple of Chocolate Chip Cookies ;-)
@@bikethetrails8155 There's more weight allowance than they state. My friend weighs 245lbs at 6 1" and rides a Tern Link D8. Which has a weight limit of 231lbs. And he has never had any problems in over two years.
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Just to clarify (I mention all these in the video) Here's a quick synopsis of the differences: 1. The saddle (Urbano seat is much more comfy than the Liberte) 2. The hand grips (once again the Urbano wins with a beefier handrest, Liberte has just light round grips). 3. Bottom bracket (Liberte wins this one with an upgraded bottom bracket) 4. Tires/Rims/Axles - Liberte has 1,5" high pressure tires with quick-release axles/hubs (lighter weight); Urbano has 1.9" tires with nutted axles/hubs (heavier weight) The frames are identical along with the Shimano Revo grip shifter, Shimano Altus derailleur, Promax brakes/cable/levers. chain, pedals are all the same. Liberte weighs 23 pounds but forfeits a comfy seat and hand grips and has narrower tires (good for pavement or hard pack trails) Urbano weighs 24 pounds but has a comfortable seat and grips, plus a wider tire that's heavier weight but offers more options on rough terrain. My opinion (as I said in the video): I prefer the Urbano for it's comfort on the saddle and hand grips, also the wider tires is more forgiving on varied terrain (I've ridden extensively on dirt trails/paths/roads). I did have my Urbano bottom bracket bearings repacked (was making noise) earlier this year at the bike shop during my annual checkup, not a big expense. No other problems, just a cleaning, tune-up and derailleur adjustment is all I needed. Whoops, there was one other change I did on my Urbano, my tires were running thin and I replaced them with Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 1.75"x20", I always replace all my bicycle tires with Marathon Plus and I've never had a flat in almost 20 years. I guess I just jinxed myself! I also added a pair of fenders (from Zizzo) and they have worked out quite nicely Last note, my wife rides the Liberte and she does like it a lot (we changed out the seat) Zizzo Urbano & Liberte are both nice bikes, going beyond the other models there is a quite a decrease in components (and frames) as the price decreases. I have noticed the prices have been increasing, yikes!
@@bikethetrails8155I bought Liberte yesterday, a $100 discount! Summer Promo! I added fenders to my order. I will ride in Manhattan, so I will keep the original tires (they can be changed in the future )
LJ.... these bikes are definitely rugged, I really push the 240lb limit on both bikes (this past year I've been as high as 250lb and a low of 238lb) and there's been absolutely no problems with the Zizzo. I've ridden 1,334 miles in 2020 on 68 rides (average 19.6 miles/ride -- data thanks to the MapMyRide App). My longest ride was over 51 miles, with many rides being 25-35 miles. The NH riding season is over now (3 degrees this morning with snow on the way), To answer your question, the Urbano can handle your weight with no problem. I'm 5'11" and the seat height is fine for me, I did buy the optional longer seatpost, which for you at 6'2" might want to consider.... even though I have the longer post on my bike, I could get by with the standard seat post. Here's a link to the longer seatpost: zizzo.bike/collections/accessories/products/extra-long-seatpost I should mention that it's pretty rugged little bike, I do more miles on dirt rail trails that pavement with no problems. (I'm not doing jumps or rock-hopping - but just dips and small ruts on dirt trails are fine)
@@bikethetrails8155 I bought a refurbished Ferro ad it was the cheapest on sale. Will see how it goes. Weight is not an issue to me really just worried about the size. You can get a seat shock absorber that will give you the same as the longer post.
@@admetric Be interesting how you like the Ferro, I just looked at the Ferro specs on line and it seems most of the components are different (presumably lower quality) from the Urbano/Liberte. But the most concerning spec deviation between the Urbano and the Ferro is the gear-inches (listed for each bike on the zizzo website). The gear-inch range on the Urbano is 30.6 to 88.9. The gear-inch range for the Ferro is 34.9 to 70. This is quite a significant difference between the two bikes. In case you need a refresher on the number called "gear-inches". It's simply the number of inches measured on the ground as the bike moves forward with one complete revolution of the pedals. It's a great way to compare bicycle gearing between bikes. My Urbano's low gear of 30.6 gear-inches is just about right for longer climbs here in NH. However the 34.9 gear-inches on the Ferro is a significant difference from the Urbano's low gear, personally I would not like such a high number. On the high end of the gears, the difference is almost a game changer! The Urbano offers 88.9 gear-inches in it's highest gear while the Ferro offers only 70 gear inches, that's a huge difference on the high end! over 18 gear-inch change!! On the flats you'll be spinning your pedals crazy to go 15mph! Enjoy the Ferro, it should serve you well, just not as robust in my opinion!
@@bikethetrails8155 well arrived abd will open and try out on Xmas. Not worried about peddling as exercise dies not bother me and only for city riding and shopping. It was weight issue and size. Was worried about trying more expensive only to return it.
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500 miles in New Zealand!? Zizzo ought to be paying this guy for his review!
I agree!!
Absolutely well informed video on the Zizzo Urbano and Liberte! Thank you!
I have the Zizzo Via and purchased it in person at their main office/warehouse store in Union City, CA. I spoke with Tony (the whiz tech) for Zizzo and Janie the sales rep. Both personable nice and informative people. They were great! No regrets regarding my bold orange Zizzo Via. Love it! Folded up fits nicely in the cargo space of my SUV. Tony and Janie also provide the best customer service and Tony has numerous “how to” tutorial youtube videos on just about every issue or questions on the Zizzo bikes you may have.
HAPPY RIDING!
As far as I'm concerned this is the definitive video that everyone considering a Zizzo would DREAM someone would post (especially if you're the neurotic type like me - who does too much homework on every purchase). It's what convinced me. Many happy miles later, I'm very glad it did! Thanks so much for posting.
Which model did you get?
I ordered my Liberte yesterday, ordered with fenders ( I will ride in Manhattan ), A video that convinced me was a Brompton guy looking for a second bike, he bought the Liberte second-hand and did a second review 6 months later after heavy use, he was surprised how good the bike is, he just have issues with brakes, that he need to change earlier, but overall recommended the bike, good bike. And in my experience, the customer support is also good. I was at first going to buy Dahon Vybe D7, but the customer support was not responsive, so Zizzo captured me! Also a website I guess called Folding Bike Guy did good reviews for Zizzo ( also Dahon mentioned ). Looking forward to my Liberte, which I will also commute on a bus ride…
@@Ancorarte how is your liberte doing after a year? I'm considering about buying one.
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This is the best review I’ve seen yet. Thanks so much for sharing. The detail in your video and description gave me perfect insight that was much needed after such a grueling researching process. 🙏🏾❤️
Nice review. I got the Via on sale for $305 a couple years ago. I was looking at the Liberte since it is the lightest, but the Via had fenders and bigger tires. And couldn't argue with the price, even if it was 4 lbs heavier. I have been very happy with it. Bought a second one for my wife. We don't ride a lot, but I expect these things to last for quite some time. They are well built.
Thanks for the great review. I was deciding between the Urbano and Liberte and I'm glad I bought the Urbano eventually. I'm looking forward to every ride, knowing that I can clock 500 miles or more comfortably :)
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Thank you for the review. It was helpful to know that the Urbano and the Liberte ride the same. I wanted the fatter tires for more stability on bad pavement and roads.
Another reviewer on TH-cam had a different wheel set of 2.1 inch tires that he used in winter on his Liberte
@@chadlieb2437I watched it, the best review for Zizzo, convinced me to buy Liberte yesterday, but I will keep the original tires to keep it a bit lighter for bus commuters to Manhattan
I'm sold. Thanks for the humble review.
Thanks for wonderful video. I was thinking about the Urbano and NOW I will buy one thanks to your super duper review. I also like the Liberte because I do only road riding in the city and like the quick release feature and 1 pound less is 1 pound less carrying to subway platform or train station plus airport etc. Also love your photos and fun and enjoyable presentation :-) With gratitude 🙏
Great review, the same bike basically except the tires and quick release. To make the Liberte more all-terrain a wider tire with quick release for tire repair. I have the Bazooka folder (no longer in business), the same bike engineering, and all but with better components. I am from the bay area and only 15 minutes away but have not visited their showroom yet. Thanks for your review.
What a lovely clear and concise video. The Zizzo is a looker. Thanks.
You will be happy to know that you can swap tires. I just spoke with a Zizzo rep who said that the Liberte can handle at least up to a 2.4 in tire with its rim. There is a another TH-camr who did a review and said that he has used many different wider tires, and had very good luck traversing through even snow and moderate mountain bike trails with his Liberte.
I actually wound up replacing my original tires with awesome Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires (1.75"x20"), They are very resistant to puncture, even though they do add a little extra weight... But I'm weighing 235 lbs now-a-days, I'm not going to fret about a heavier tire !!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for the in-depth review and comparison between the two! It is much appreciated.
Great review! Thanks for sharing! Was initially going with the Liberte but after watching your review, just ordered the Urbano for its wider tires, thus more versatile and as you say, you experienced little to no difference in riding speed between the two. The quick release hubs of the Liberte would have been nice but, everything is a trade off ...
No, your review was not too long! And useful as well!
It's looks like I want the Urbano, but I'm unhappy with the color choices of drab gray (which I'll likely get) and garish orange. i agree that the Urbano's tires and seat make it a more flexible bike. Wish they had the Urbano in black or white as in the Campo or the devilish black or powder blue as in the Via.
Again, thanks for the video,
BachBaby from Dallas.
You explained well how to fold, many people mess around without folding properly. I ordered yesterday Liberte to ride in Manhattan, hope it will also work to take a bus! Ah, you can change the Liberte tires, it’s not an issue. But the fast-release wheels are good for thieves, so no way to leave this bike outside!
Thank you so much for taking the time to review both bikes :) I will try the Liberte because it is the only available.
Thank you. You helped me decide between the two.
I was having trouble figuring out how to fold my Urbano. Problem solved by your nice clear demo. Thanks!! Great vid.
thank you Sir! its like youve red my mind I found exactly what I was looking for , especially the images, its like a glance into my future!
Thank you for your very detailed review. Appreciated!!
Very nice comparison video! I just purchased my Urbano today and should arrive in 4 days. I was also on the fence between the two models, but I think the tires and seat pulled me to the urbano as well. Cheers!
I bough an Urbano a few days ago after my Liberte order was cancelled due to "out of stock" by Costco. I am glad I got an Urbano. Great companion video. Thanks!
I did a search in Costco, after login in, and found out that it does not appear anymore.
Thank you so much for your humble reviews. I was thinking to buy liberate because it is the lightest. However, after watching your video, I decided to buy the other one. Thanks for your very thorough and thoughtful review!
Great review. Thank you! And the travel photos towards the end are a nice bonus material
Excellent video my friend, they are both really good bikes and you did a good job explaining the differences.
I hope you upload some rides and show us how they go and stop.
Thank you for the video. Your comments were helpful and the closeups of the connections at the end was extremely helpful.
This is a great review video, very easy to follow! Thanks!!!!👌🏾👏🏿
Good job. Thanks for your time.
Great video. Thanks. I'm assuming that if it's the same frame, you can swap the tires on the liberte to 1.95s.
Quick release on the Urbano wide wheels and it's a done deal. Waiting patiently.
Glad you shown us going up the road I wasn't sure if the wheels would go round
Thanks for the comparison. I am going to get the Ubano then.
nice video and you explained everything and showed what you were talking about ,both sound great ,thicker tires would be nice ,so would quick release,you said no issue going up hills,yer another video said it was better to walk them up so not sure, maybe experience is the answer,anyway thanks for info, great help, stay safe always .👍💙🇺🇸🇺🇦
Thank you for the review. Great pictures!!
thoroughly enjoyed listening to you, dear sir.
Decent looking little bike. Seat height is a little comical though. One of those I'd have to try before I buy kind of things.
Great review! Nicely done! Thanks!
Thanks for the review! Please do a video on how you packed up your Urbano for the flight to NZ. That would be fascinating to see!
Hey Warren, unfortunately I never made a video when I boxed up my bike for our trip to NZ. But I can describe briefly what I did.
First thing is I cut down the original box the bike came in to keeping the same width of the box, and if I recall from memory was about 22" x 28" (or 23" x 27" - something like that). The goal is to avoid airline charges, total measurement of the box cannot exceed 62" total for your bike to travel as a normal piece of luggage.
You might have to fudge with getting the bike in the box, but it does go in and my bike survived the 20 hours of airtime just fine.
Some things that you HAVE to do to make it fit:
a. You must remove both wheels,
b. I removed the derailleur and put it into a small box for protection (you can leave the chain attached). I used a plastic 64oz juice bottle cut in half and taped the end up to keep the derailleur in the bottle.
c. The pedals must also be removed and placed in a small box to avoid banging around and scratching the bike frame.
d. The last piece to take apart is the handlebars, remove the quick release on the TOP of the handlebars, keep track of the order of the small parts when you take the quick release apart. The handlebars will just hang from the cables. (retract the handle stem down after removing the handlebars). -- (also be sure to take the quick release parts with you!!! that would be a bummer not to have at your destination)
e. Remove the seat post and maybe the seat (see below).
f. Finally fold the bike and put it into the box, you will have to play with it quite a bit, because once the folded bike is in the box, you have to make room for those wheels
g. I found that interlacing the wheels' hubs into each other's spokes turned out just fine in the end, for protection have your gear cluster pointing away from the outside of the box.
h. Juggle the handlebars (still connected with cables) into a good position that works with everything jammed in there.
i. Lastly, I was able to drop the seat post (with the seat still attached) down through the mass of cables, wheels and bike. Remove the seat if you need to.
That's what worked for me, hope this gives you some ideas, if I ever have to repack my bike again, I'll video it next time (I left my bike in NZ)
Just a note, be sure to do the one basic protection for transporting any bike: use spacers on the fork and rear where the wheel is normally mounted.
The last thing you want is a crushed front fork! Yikes
@@bikethetrails8155 Thank you!! Because of your video, I got an Urbano! Very light weight. I did find a video of how to pack it into a suitcase, that was also very helpful. th-cam.com/video/waYKfnc0RX4/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing. This is really informative and very helpful.
Great Review with excellent details. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! =Cosmo
Hey, Gred. Thank you for your sincere review. Will be getting Urbano;)
This really helped me out, man. Thanks alot!
Best review for those two models! Bikes are great!
Great comparison. What about getting some 2" tires and tubes and putting that on your Liberte? Mine is a different brand but has the same frame and 1.5" tires. I want to put on 2.10" for a little more comfort and trail worthiness.
Thanks a million you explained it so well in detail makes it easy to make a decision. They are expensive, but good quality I hope. 👍👍.
Excellent video. Only now I don’t know which bike I would want to buy. Definitely like the quick release but I wouldn’t mind having a wider tire. But it looks like two excellent choices can’t go wrong with either one.
I like the wider tire myself, the quick-release is just a luxury in my opinion... if I get a flat, removing the wheel off the bike is the easy part. Pulling the tube out, or patching a tube, or pumping the tire are all way more involved than loosening/tightening the nut holding the tire. I just carry a small wrench along with by patch kit/spare tire, takes 20 seconds longer without the QR.
Thank you very much for this video. I do not think it was too long. I appreciate very much the information you gave. I’ve been wondering which one to get.
No big deal to change the tyres and saddle on the Lighter Liberte for the rough stuff . best of both worlds then .
Great video 👍
Urbano grip looks more comfort/ergonomic
Terrific review!!!!
Thanks for your comparo video! This is something I am looking forward to do once I get on the road.
I was wondering if the frame on the Liberte allows for the thicker rim / wider tires of the Urbano. Is the frame width/tire clearance the same on both? I would love to have:
1) A thinner tire set for road days using the same rims if possible. I would downsize from the 1.5 tire width to one of these below:
Schwalbe Durano 1.125 (28-451 ISO) - This would make for the fastest pavement ride possible for someone like me who enjoys going fast. It does have some puncture protection.
or
Tannus airless semi-slick in 1.125 or 1.25 - This would be slightly slower due to the nature of the compound but it is a set it and forget it so I won't have to worry about inflating the tires at all or riding through the worst dumped-out street and getting any punctures.
AND
2) Another set (of course it would need to have another Shimano HG 11-32T 8 speed cassette in the rear wheel) for MTB trail days. The tire and rim would both have to be as wide as possible to open up to more riding trails conditions: No, I won't be doing any jumps but it would ride through some of the rougher-condition trails.
Maxxis Creepy Crawler 20 X 2.50
or
A dirt road motorcycle tire, I've found out that a 2.5 wide - 17 incher MAY fit as the sidewall dimensions are a bit different (taller).
Shinko SR 241 (they also come in 2.75-17 and 3.00-17 which may be too wide for both rim and frame)
or
A variety of Kenda tires, which come in 2.40 (Booster Pro), 2.60 (Slant Six Pro) or 2.80 (Kaos)
Tannus also makes a tire insert called the Armour which adds 13 to 15 mm of puncture protection at the bottom and 1 - 2 mm on the sidewall. This, in combination with a smaller, thinner inner tube since the insert takes up so much space, allows for you to drop the tire pressure a bit more, making it a little bit slower, with more traction/control and less worries about a flat tire.
Well I'm 207 lbs. I hope my new Urbano can hold me okay. I'm waiting for it to be delivered.
Wandering American - No problem, the weight limit on both bikes is 240 pounds, and I did most of my riding at 250 pounds! Never had a problem. I'm happy to say I'm below the 240 lb now-a-days (not by much, but I am below it!!!)
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I was just going to ask, I’m on the heavy side too, thanks for this very informative video.
If you ride your bike regularly like I do. 5 times a week. Around 13 miles a day round trip to and from work. The weight should come off you. If you reign in the junk food too. started off at 231lbs after the lockdown. And a year later I'm 178lbs. And feel so much better and fitter.
Very nice review thanks!
I liked those places in NZ just beautiful sceneries. And yes I agree that the Urbano with fatter tires and comforter saddle is a better choice. I may consider the Forte with the rack and it can hold more weight
Thanks again
Consider an ebike conversion with a Bafang BBS02 or Tongsheng TSDZ mid drive kit.
It looks like the bottom bracket is removable so you could slip the motor on. 68 mm bottom bracket is ideal width. Should be ok with ground clearance w/ 20" tires.
You have the water bottle mount for battery. Too bad no disc brakes, it would be a fast rig.
I'm contemplating exactly that. I'm wondering what size chainring to get with the bafang. Do they make one big enough for these tiny wheels? Also a little worried about the brakes.
@@MrMarnold6 52 tooth is largest Stock chainring - BBS02 w/ Luna Cycle. A std cassette is 12 - 28 teeth. Do a 90 rpm pedal cadence on 52/12 tooth ratio - 20"=23 mph, 27.5"=32 mph. Note BBS02 max throttle spins faster than you can pedal.
Regarding brakes, could a 20" suspension fork work? 20" is a common BMX bike wheel size Smoother ride & front disc brake mount. May not fold as flat but good upgrade if it works.
I have an Lectric XP that's 66 lbs Heavy. Guessing 27 + 18 = 45 lb Zizzo electric bike.
Good luck with the conversion if you do so.
@@hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 thank you!
I'm surprised Zizzo has not jumped on the e-bike bandwagon
thanks for the video
Hello, Thank you for the video, I have see the same design in many different brands, right?
Trinx, Mint, Madison Monona, Dahon, Tern, Pheonix etc, I suppose they all have similar qualities.
I have a question, if you would be so kind to answer it.
Would you recommend that kind of Bikes for rough surfaces? It seems that you often uses in for rail trail. Maybe in the future would be nice to see that kind of video, since for a long time I have doing research on it and no much on it. Specially for that kind of 20 inches wheel bike. you mentioned something about 1.5 inches and 2 inches, what did you mean ? Thank you for your guidance
Hey Peter, I have used my Zizzo Urbano on some moderately rough roads/trails. I typically ride mostly on dirt trails, but 80% of them are nicely graded. I have encountered rougher riding surfaces and the Urbano has done quite well. The Zizzo Urbano comes with 1.95 inch wide tire (hence the 2" reference I make in the video) that is quite stable on uneven surfaces,.
However, let me share a cautionary lesson that I did experience on one ride this past summer. The 20" wheel size can be tricky on some uneven surfaces. The lateral control (left to right) I find is quite good, several times I have ridden off the side of a trail to avoid other trail users with no problem... BUT there was one situation I will share with you.
This applies to any smaller wheel bicycles: Forward motion over varied undulating terrain can be tricky. On one ride in August 2021 I came to a rough part of a trail, and ahead of me was a dip in the trail, that to me seemed like I could bounce down one side into the dip and have the momentum to ride up the other side. Well I was quite surprised when my 20" wheel went into that dip (which apparently was exactly 20" across) and locked my front wheel in that hole suddenly stopping my bike cold. Amazingly thanks to the size of the bike frame itself, I was able to get both feel down in time so I didn't go over the handlebars. I was quite lucky, because of the speed, the back end of the bike actually whacked me hard from behind nearly knocking me down after the initial save. I was lucky that day, and learned a lesson, 20" are not for rock hopping or wheel locking holes.
So, in conclusion, it does fine on an uneven road/trail as far as tracking, but big dips in the road trail watch out for!
Does the urbano backpedal or does doing that apply the brakes?
Yes, the urbano back pedals. It has hand brakes.
This was great. Thank you.
Thanks for the video. Why turn you seat when folding?
Hi Dave, the bike folds to a slimmer profile with the seat reversed, it will fold without reversing, but might as well get an extra 2 inches to fold into (plus without reversing the seat, the magnets that holds the bike in the folded configuration do not connect)
What did you use to make that white mark on the seat post? (White sharpie?) Amazing review, thank you!
Late reply but I suspect it’s probably a China marker (kinda like a colored pencil or chalk) which writes on almost every surface
@@stevengoomba6490 Sweet. Thanks for the reply!
If I take off the seat post, could I use it as a pedal scooter/bike?
Very informative!🙏🙏🙏
Great informative video
You should buy bigger size tires for the Liberte, then both of your bikes will functionally be the same.
Hey Michael, the rims on the Liberte are a bit narrower than the Urbano, so putting larger tires on the Liberte may be exceeding the ability of the rim to hold the tire... it could work out OK, but the Urbano rims are wider for a reason I'm guessing.
Just aheads up. Three times the chain has fallen off the front chain ring of my Liberte. Twice to the inside and then the outside of the chain ring. Perhaps Ill be able to fix this recurring problem by moving and tightening the plastic chain guide that is mounted to the down tube. It was loos from the factory. May still be a good value if I can stop this. But a bike with a chain that is constantly falling off is worth nothing.
Hey Gary... I did have my chain fall off twice, once while WALKING the bike off a ferry landing, I bounced the unloaded bike down the loading ramp and the chain popped off, and the other time when somehow the chain worked it's way on to the top of the chain guard, don't know how that happened. Then a third time I started getting a scrapping sound, the chain didn't come off, but the issue was, guess what, it was that chain guard again.
In the end the chain guard for me clearly was the problem, and I've removed the chain guard from all 3 bikes and no longer have a problem with the chain falling off or making noise while riding. I should also mention, the first time the chain came off (the ferry ramp incident), the chain guard made it very hard to get the chain back on... so another reason for removing the chain guard in my opinion.
Not saying it will fall off again, if you bouncing it down a staircase, or ride on rough terrain where the bike bounces a lot, or back-pedal the bike, especially while shifting could all lead to the chain coming off. The chain guard I do believe was good intentioned, but as I said above, if your chain comes off, getting it back on WITHOUT the guard is so much easier!
good job what about height , im 6 foot three. will the handle bare and seat go high
Hey Yogi, I'm 5"11" and I have no issues, that being said, Zizzo does offer an optional seat post with an additional 2 inches in length.... zizzo.bike/products/extra-long-seatpost
@@bikethetrails8155 nice to hear my liberte arrives today. iknow im gonna switch out seat to a high end seat. we can assume my new seat will sit lower than stock seat. guessing. i wonder it the seatpost is standart 26.2 seatpost. oh forget that idea. no seatpost is gonna fit that bike as look at the horrendous height of that thing. im weighing about 190 so i might be ok........on the weight issue. BUT WILL THE TWO INCH LONGER SEATPOST PUT TOO MUCH STRESS ON BIKE. I WILL ASSUME ZIZZO HAS TESTED THAT......SO FAR ZIZZO HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO ME. I THINK THE TWO INCHES MORE SEATPOST LENGTH WILL WORK BUT THEN MY FRONT END OF BIKE WILL SIT TOO LOW .......I WILL SEE SOON. BOTTOM LINE IS THE VIDEOS IMEI ETGLEOT E
bottom line is the videoss im seeing people riding the bike. (not neccesarily your videos) the people are not riding proper leg position. A PERSONS LEGS SHOULD BE ALMOST COMPLELTY EXTTENDED AT BOTTOM OF STROKE. COMMON KNOWLEDGE
Sorry if i may ask. When you say Urbano is just as fast as Liberte, whats the speed you are talking about here? Thank you!
Hi Chung,
No problem asking the question. The observation of speed between the Urbano & Liberte is a combination of my own subjective observation and a bit of a fixed "test".
Nearby to my home is a forest highway named Bear Notch Rd, it is nicely paved 2-lane highway that glides up through the forest gaining 1,200 feet in elevation over a distance of about 3.5 to 4 miles. My "speed test" was between the two bikes, it took me the same amount of time to ride that distance, regardless of which bike I rode.
It's not very scientific, but to me, the ride time and speed was very similar between the 2 models. So to me, I'd rather have the wider tires and comfy seat of the Urbano. Let's face it, they're 20" wheeled folding bikes, not racers, but between the two I find them just about the same.
I should also note that I can do the same ride faster on my full-size Surly Long-Haul Trucker (more gearing choices uphill), but not tremendously faster than the folding bikes. BUT downhill is a different story: the full size Surly was significantly faster, where both the Urbano and Liberte with their 20" wheels rolled slower down the hill. No doubt due to the fact the smaller 20" wheels spin 25-30% faster than the Surly.
To answer your question more directly, the Urbano & Liberte they both have the same speed at slower speeds and higher coasting speeds. Compared to a full-size bike, the lower speeds are comparable, but higher cruising speeds are better on a full-size bike.
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The liberte is made for upgrades. My friend Has it. And he put a 58 tooth hollow tech crankset on it. And rockbros carbon tubed pedals. And litepro 451 racing wheels. With Schwalbe durano 1.1" racing tyres.
And it flies. He has hit speeds close to 30mph on it. He chose it to start with because its the lightest sub $500 folding bike on the planet. And with his upgrades he got it down to 20.6lbs from 23lbs.
So for a total of around $800 he has a high performance folder. That can go as fast as most road bikes. Certainly non carbon roadbikes.
can you add link for the pedals you added to the Urbano? thx
Sure....
www.amazon.com/RaceFace-Chester-Pedal-Black-Size/dp/B018J1J7QE/
These pedals are great, very lightweight and they grip the bottom of your shoes. The downfall is the pegs that grip may get your shins when mounting or dismounting your bike, you'll get use to avoiding them after a couple of "bites"
Looks nice, consider putting a motor on it
i'm sure it's just a matter of time!
Thank you very nice
how do you feel about the urbano vs the campo?
I don't know much about the Campo
if both were the same price, which would be the better buy?
Forget money. Do you like the bike. Does it feel good under you? People fuss over a few hundred quid for stupidity. Then waste it on nonsense. The Zizzo Liberte is the best bike on the plant for around $500 its a miracle. The weight for starters just 23lbs. Is unheard of at this price point. The Zizzo Liberte should be the best selling folding bike on the planet right now. If people had a clue and any sense. And Zizzo should be marketing it better. And making it readily available outside of the U.S.
They created the greatest budget folder of alltime. And people in the UK for example can't get hold of it easily.
Wicked smaht
Is it genuine?
What is you’re approx. weight ?
Hey Greg.... well approximately I would say way too much!
But the more specific answer is I vary between 240-250 lb -- depending on season.
So I general run right at and slightly above the Zizzo limit, but I've never had any problems.
now excuse me while I enjoy a couple of Chocolate Chip Cookies ;-)
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There's more weight allowance than they state. My friend weighs 245lbs at 6 1" and rides a Tern Link D8. Which has a weight limit of 231lbs. And he has never had any problems in over two years.
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They are not the same in terms of components.
Just to clarify (I mention all these in the video)
Here's a quick synopsis of the differences:
1. The saddle (Urbano seat is much more comfy than the Liberte)
2. The hand grips (once again the Urbano wins with a beefier handrest, Liberte has just light round grips).
3. Bottom bracket (Liberte wins this one with an upgraded bottom bracket)
4. Tires/Rims/Axles - Liberte has 1,5" high pressure tires with quick-release axles/hubs (lighter weight);
Urbano has 1.9" tires with nutted axles/hubs (heavier weight)
The frames are identical along with the Shimano Revo grip shifter, Shimano Altus derailleur, Promax brakes/cable/levers. chain, pedals are all the same.
Liberte weighs 23 pounds but forfeits a comfy seat and hand grips and has narrower tires (good for pavement or hard pack trails)
Urbano weighs 24 pounds but has a comfortable seat and grips, plus a wider tire that's heavier weight but offers more options on rough terrain.
My opinion (as I said in the video): I prefer the Urbano for it's comfort on the saddle and hand grips, also the wider tires is more forgiving on varied terrain (I've ridden extensively on dirt trails/paths/roads).
I did have my Urbano bottom bracket bearings repacked (was making noise) earlier this year at the bike shop during my annual checkup, not a big expense. No other problems, just a cleaning, tune-up and derailleur adjustment is all I needed.
Whoops, there was one other change I did on my Urbano, my tires were running thin and I replaced them with Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 1.75"x20", I always replace all my bicycle tires with Marathon Plus and I've never had a flat in almost 20 years. I guess I just jinxed myself! I also added a pair of fenders (from Zizzo) and they have worked out quite nicely
Last note, my wife rides the Liberte and she does like it a lot (we changed out the seat)
Zizzo Urbano & Liberte are both nice bikes, going beyond the other models there is a quite a decrease in components (and frames) as the price decreases. I have noticed the prices have been increasing, yikes!
@@bikethetrails8155I bought Liberte yesterday, a $100 discount! Summer Promo! I added fenders to my order. I will ride in Manhattan, so I will keep the original tires (they can be changed in the future )
Thanks for the video, but enough about the flies and mosquitoes.
Find hard to fold
Not at all
Ah ok thank you
I just wanted to know how much you weigh and how tall you are. I am 6’2” and 210 lbs (muscular) and want to know if I would be pushing the limit.
LJ.... these bikes are definitely rugged, I really push the 240lb limit on both bikes (this past year I've been as high as 250lb and a low of 238lb) and there's been absolutely no problems with the Zizzo.
I've ridden 1,334 miles in 2020 on 68 rides (average 19.6 miles/ride -- data thanks to the MapMyRide App). My longest ride was over 51 miles, with many rides being 25-35 miles. The NH riding season is over now (3 degrees this morning with snow on the way),
To answer your question, the Urbano can handle your weight with no problem. I'm 5'11" and the seat height is fine for me, I did buy the optional longer seatpost, which for you at 6'2" might want to consider.... even though I have the longer post on my bike, I could get by with the standard seat post.
Here's a link to the longer seatpost: zizzo.bike/collections/accessories/products/extra-long-seatpost
I should mention that it's pretty rugged little bike, I do more miles on dirt rail trails that pavement with no problems. (I'm not doing jumps or rock-hopping - but just dips and small ruts on dirt trails are fine)
@@bikethetrails8155 thank you. I am looking at urbana and liberte.
@@bikethetrails8155 I bought a refurbished Ferro ad it was the cheapest on sale. Will see how it goes. Weight is not an issue to me really just worried about the size. You can get a seat shock absorber that will give you the same as the longer post.
@@admetric Be interesting how you like the Ferro, I just looked at the Ferro specs on line and it seems most of the components are different (presumably lower quality) from the Urbano/Liberte.
But the most concerning spec deviation between the Urbano and the Ferro is the gear-inches (listed for each bike on the zizzo website). The gear-inch range on the Urbano is 30.6 to 88.9. The gear-inch range for the Ferro is 34.9 to 70. This is quite a significant difference between the two bikes.
In case you need a refresher on the number called "gear-inches". It's simply the number of inches measured on the ground as the bike moves forward with one complete revolution of the pedals. It's a great way to compare bicycle gearing between bikes.
My Urbano's low gear of 30.6 gear-inches is just about right for longer climbs here in NH. However the 34.9 gear-inches on the Ferro is a significant difference from the Urbano's low gear, personally I would not like such a high number.
On the high end of the gears, the difference is almost a game changer! The Urbano offers 88.9 gear-inches in it's highest gear while the Ferro offers only 70 gear inches, that's a huge difference on the high end! over 18 gear-inch change!! On the flats you'll be spinning your pedals crazy to go 15mph!
Enjoy the Ferro, it should serve you well, just not as robust in my opinion!
@@bikethetrails8155 well arrived abd will open and try out on Xmas. Not worried about peddling as exercise dies not bother me and only for city riding and shopping. It was weight issue and size. Was worried about trying more expensive only to return it.