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Which model did you get?

I ordered my Liberte yesterday, ordered with fenders ( I will ride in Manhattan ), A video that convinced me was a Brompton guy looking for a second bike, he bought the Liberte second-hand and did a second review 6 months later after heavy use, he was surprised how good the bike is, he just have issues with brakes, that he need to change earlier, but overall recommended the bike, good bike. And in my experience, the customer support is also good. I was at first going to buy Dahon Vybe D7, but the customer support was not responsive, so Zizzo captured me! Also a website I guess called Folding Bike Guy did good reviews for Zizzo ( also Dahon mentioned ). Looking forward to my Liberte, which I will also commute on a bus ride…

Forget money. Do you like the bike. Does it feel good under you? People fuss over a few hundred quid for stupidity. Then waste it on nonsense. The Zizzo Liberte is the best bike on the plant for around $500 its a miracle. The weight for starters just 23lbs. Is unheard of at this price point. The Zizzo Liberte should be the best selling folding bike on the planet right now. If people had a clue and any sense. And Zizzo should be marketing it better. And making it readily available outside of the U.S. They created the greatest budget folder of alltime. And people in the UK for example can't get hold of it easily.

Hi Ross, I'm 70 now and shot that video about 10 years ago. Tim was older than me and the Harrigans grew up right next door to my family on Prospect Sq. I was in troop 66, Doc Powers was the adult leader, his son David was a member of the troop. My wife lived in Lyman Maine, and we strolled over to the other side of Bunganut Pond one evening and I was surprised there were still some relics left from the Norshoco days!

Late reply but I suspect it’s probably a China marker (kinda like a colored pencil or chalk) which writes on almost every surface

@@stevengoomba6490 Sweet. Thanks for the reply!

Hey Greg.... well approximately I would say way too much! But the more specific answer is I vary between 240-250 lb -- depending on season. So I general run right at and slightly above the Zizzo limit, but I've never had any problems. now excuse me while I enjoy a couple of Chocolate Chip Cookies ;-)

@@bikethetrails8155 There's more weight allowance than they state. My friend weighs 245lbs at 6 1" and rides a Tern Link D8. Which has a weight limit of 231lbs. And he has never had any problems in over two years.

Hi Chung, No problem asking the question. The observation of speed between the Urbano & Liberte is a combination of my own subjective observation and a bit of a fixed "test". Nearby to my home is a forest highway named Bear Notch Rd, it is nicely paved 2-lane highway that glides up through the forest gaining 1,200 feet in elevation over a distance of about 3.5 to 4 miles. My "speed test" was between the two bikes, it took me the same amount of time to ride that distance, regardless of which bike I rode. It's not very scientific, but to me, the ride time and speed was very similar between the 2 models. So to me, I'd rather have the wider tires and comfy seat of the Urbano. Let's face it, they're 20" wheeled folding bikes, not racers, but between the two I find them just about the same. I should also note that I can do the same ride faster on my full-size Surly Long-Haul Trucker (more gearing choices uphill), but not tremendously faster than the folding bikes. BUT downhill is a different story: the full size Surly was significantly faster, where both the Urbano and Liberte with their 20" wheels rolled slower down the hill. No doubt due to the fact the smaller 20" wheels spin 25-30% faster than the Surly. To answer your question more directly, the Urbano & Liberte they both have the same speed at slower speeds and higher coasting speeds. Compared to a full-size bike, the lower speeds are comparable, but higher cruising speeds are better on a full-size bike.

@@bikethetrails8155 The liberte is made for upgrades. My friend Has it. And he put a 58 tooth hollow tech crankset on it. And rockbros carbon tubed pedals. And litepro 451 racing wheels. With Schwalbe durano 1.1" racing tyres. And it flies. He has hit speeds close to 30mph on it. He chose it to start with because its the lightest sub $500 folding bike on the planet. And with his upgrades he got it down to 20.6lbs from 23lbs. So for a total of around $800 he has a high performance folder. That can go as fast as most road bikes. Certainly non carbon roadbikes.

Hey Peter, I have used my Zizzo Urbano on some moderately rough roads/trails. I typically ride mostly on dirt trails, but 80% of them are nicely graded. I have encountered rougher riding surfaces and the Urbano has done quite well. The Zizzo Urbano comes with 1.95 inch wide tire (hence the 2" reference I make in the video) that is quite stable on uneven surfaces,. However, let me share a cautionary lesson that I did experience on one ride this past summer. The 20" wheel size can be tricky on some uneven surfaces. The lateral control (left to right) I find is quite good, several times I have ridden off the side of a trail to avoid other trail users with no problem... BUT there was one situation I will share with you. This applies to any smaller wheel bicycles: Forward motion over varied undulating terrain can be tricky. On one ride in August 2021 I came to a rough part of a trail, and ahead of me was a dip in the trail, that to me seemed like I could bounce down one side into the dip and have the momentum to ride up the other side. Well I was quite surprised when my 20" wheel went into that dip (which apparently was exactly 20" across) and locked my front wheel in that hole suddenly stopping my bike cold. Amazingly thanks to the size of the bike frame itself, I was able to get both feel down in time so I didn't go over the handlebars. I was quite lucky, because of the speed, the back end of the bike actually whacked me hard from behind nearly knocking me down after the initial save. I was lucky that day, and learned a lesson, 20" are not for rock hopping or wheel locking holes. So, in conclusion, it does fine on an uneven road/trail as far as tracking, but big dips in the road trail watch out for!

I'm contemplating exactly that. I'm wondering what size chainring to get with the bafang. Do they make one big enough for these tiny wheels? Also a little worried about the brakes.

@@MrMarnold6 52 tooth is largest Stock chainring - BBS02 w/ Luna Cycle. A std cassette is 12 - 28 teeth. Do a 90 rpm pedal cadence on 52/12 tooth ratio - 20"=23 mph, 27.5"=32 mph. Note BBS02 max throttle spins faster than you can pedal. Regarding brakes, could a 20" suspension fork work? 20" is a common BMX bike wheel size Smoother ride & front disc brake mount. May not fold as flat but good upgrade if it works. I have an Lectric XP that's 66 lbs Heavy. Guessing 27 + 18 = 45 lb Zizzo electric bike. Good luck with the conversion if you do so.

@@hillyseattlenarrowstreets6087 thank you!

I'm surprised Zizzo has not jumped on the e-bike bandwagon

Hey Yogi, I'm 5"11" and I have no issues, that being said, Zizzo does offer an optional seat post with an additional 2 inches in length.... zizzo.bike/products/extra-long-seatpost

@@bikethetrails8155 nice to hear my liberte arrives today. iknow im gonna switch out seat to a high end seat. we can assume my new seat will sit lower than stock seat. guessing. i wonder it the seatpost is standart 26.2 seatpost. oh forget that idea. no seatpost is gonna fit that bike as look at the horrendous height of that thing. im weighing about 190 so i might be ok........on the weight issue. BUT WILL THE TWO INCH LONGER SEATPOST PUT TOO MUCH STRESS ON BIKE. I WILL ASSUME ZIZZO HAS TESTED THAT......SO FAR ZIZZO HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO ME. I THINK THE TWO INCHES MORE SEATPOST LENGTH WILL WORK BUT THEN MY FRONT END OF BIKE WILL SIT TOO LOW .......I WILL SEE SOON. BOTTOM LINE IS THE VIDEOS IMEI ETGLEOT E

bottom line is the videoss im seeing people riding the bike. (not neccesarily your videos) the people are not riding proper leg position. A PERSONS LEGS SHOULD BE ALMOST COMPLELTY EXTTENDED AT BOTTOM OF STROKE. COMMON KNOWLEDGE

Another reviewer on TH-cam had a different wheel set of 2.1 inch tires that he used in winter on his Liberte

@@chadlieb2437I watched it, the best review for Zizzo, convinced me to buy Liberte yesterday, but I will keep the original tires to keep it a bit lighter for bus commuters to Manhattan

Just to clarify (I mention all these in the video) Here's a quick synopsis of the differences: 1. The saddle (Urbano seat is much more comfy than the Liberte) 2. The hand grips (once again the Urbano wins with a beefier handrest, Liberte has just light round grips). 3. Bottom bracket (Liberte wins this one with an upgraded bottom bracket) 4. Tires/Rims/Axles - Liberte has 1,5" high pressure tires with quick-release axles/hubs (lighter weight); Urbano has 1.9" tires with nutted axles/hubs (heavier weight) The frames are identical along with the Shimano Revo grip shifter, Shimano Altus derailleur, Promax brakes/cable/levers. chain, pedals are all the same. Liberte weighs 23 pounds but forfeits a comfy seat and hand grips and has narrower tires (good for pavement or hard pack trails) Urbano weighs 24 pounds but has a comfortable seat and grips, plus a wider tire that's heavier weight but offers more options on rough terrain. My opinion (as I said in the video): I prefer the Urbano for it's comfort on the saddle and hand grips, also the wider tires is more forgiving on varied terrain (I've ridden extensively on dirt trails/paths/roads). I did have my Urbano bottom bracket bearings repacked (was making noise) earlier this year at the bike shop during my annual checkup, not a big expense. No other problems, just a cleaning, tune-up and derailleur adjustment is all I needed. Whoops, there was one other change I did on my Urbano, my tires were running thin and I replaced them with Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 1.75"x20", I always replace all my bicycle tires with Marathon Plus and I've never had a flat in almost 20 years. I guess I just jinxed myself! I also added a pair of fenders (from Zizzo) and they have worked out quite nicely Last note, my wife rides the Liberte and she does like it a lot (we changed out the seat) Zizzo Urbano & Liberte are both nice bikes, going beyond the other models there is a quite a decrease in components (and frames) as the price decreases. I have noticed the prices have been increasing, yikes!

@@bikethetrails8155I bought Liberte yesterday, a $100 discount! Summer Promo! I added fenders to my order. I will ride in Manhattan, so I will keep the original tires (they can be changed in the future )