The video was about the viability for us to build it today using what tech we already have. Also it completely ignored cost as Ryan would have needed to own around 40% of the current planetary GDP to get it done
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So you know the Triton breather isn't real, right? It was only concept art for a potential piece of technology. To quote Snopes, "the Triton is far more concept than product, and not necessarily a concept that will ever be realizable" www.snopes.com/triton-scuba-mask-design/
Okay thank you. I was sitting here the entire time saying to myself but cant you use those lights we already use to grow plants in places that dont get sunlight. Is that not the same principle.
Not to mention that it was proven to be a scam. They didn't even attempt to make either. It might be possible, but it would require a lot of work and a real, much, much larger battery.
themikead99 this technology is complete bullshit, at a minimum the triton would have to filter 60 litres of water per minute, which is like 2 garden hoses on at full blast, and that's if they use a rebreather/oxygen scrubber with it. If they use electrolysis they need basically a nuclear reactor on their back to get enough electricity, so no not possible at all
I was just about to write that hahah. Need to do more research :P I'm not smart. Like no where near it but I knew it was fake due to the size and amount of water you would have to flow through it hahah
You know you can grow plants under a lamp right? You don't need to be in the zone high enough for sunlight to pass through the water to grow plants, just a lot of lamps can grow enough plants
true but it takes A LOT to grow food for a larger population and fishing/importation would likely be the case just look at modern cities which get all their food shipped in
As someone who is an indoor gardener, plants are more than happy to use artificial light instead of sunlight. My bedroom only has one window and it's shaded by a tree, so I rarely get any sunlight, but I have almost 50 plants in my bedroom that have been doing well for months.
Guys, the coordinates on Jack's present aren't exactly the location of Rapture (Spoilers) They are the coordinates in wich Jack will open the present and hijack the plane. The exact coordinates and the exact instructions to hijack and bring down the plane on the location of the lignthouse shoud have been somewhere inside the package. The shallower and more suitable places you guys pointed out could be the location of Rapture. Also, the sun in Arcadia comes from a giant arrangement of mirrors coming from the lighthouse to rapture, and the glass and structure of Rapture is made from imaginary materials that are somehow extremally fucking resistent to pressure.
"The City Would Pretty Much Be Crushed Like A Tin Can" -Rapture: wouldn't get crushed by the pressure considering the fact that every material it's made of is reinforced and more than half of the buildings are reinforced titanium
+Chandler Gloyd give me the water that you would have to flood through that thing per second and the amount of energy required out of the fabled of micro battery do not add up that thing is not possible with today's technology.
For a city on the bottom of the sea, the buildings would almost have to be spherical in shape to distribute the immense pressures. The good thing is that the current that low is pretty small due to the massive boundary layer, so side loading from currents would be somewhat negligible. Like the man says the name of the game is pressure!
No one fucking cares about Matt pat the only mistake shoddycast did with this video was not use Austin. they made a half asses video made by some retarded brit or auzzy
MatPat's video is definitely important because one of the things he did was explain how the structural integrity wasn't an issue because we have, and more importantly, had the materials to make rapture as early as the 1940's. The main reason it hasn't been done in real life is because it's more trouble than it's worth. and would be difficult at best to sustain such a city.
I believe MatPat specifically said that the actual shape of the buildings would be a real problem, as they wouldn't be able to distribute the pressure well, but then again, the shape was mainly a large part of the atmosphere, it was supposed to be a familiar thing in an unfamiliar enviroment. A realistic city of spheres just wouldn't fit the atmosphere of the game.
what? im pretty sure nasa used pure oxygen in the apollo missions and the astronauts didnt die from breathing the oxygen i did some research and apparently pure oxygen is only toxic if the pressure is too high. pure oxygen at reduced pressure is ok
+john li +otakuofmine Oxygen becomes toxic when it's partial pressure (ppO2) exceeds 1.6, and partial pressure is percent times atmospheres. 100% oxygen becomes toxic at 1.6 atmospheres (1.00 * 1.6 = 1.6) and 1.6 atmospheres is about what you will feel at 20 ft (33 ft/atm * (1.6-1) atm = 19.8 ft). In general: max depth for a mixture is 33*((1.6/[%])-1). Regular old air is 21% and so is safe down to about 218 ft, and the stuff I tend to use is 32% and so good to 132ft. If you find yourself suffering from oxygen toxicity, the symptoms you will experience are best remembered with the acronym ConVENTID (Convulsions, distorted Vision, ringing in the Ears, Nausea, Twitching, Irritability, and Dizziness).
Internal air pressure counteracts external water pressure, you can easily build deep sea structures as long as they are kept at pressure and the inhabitants and air mixtures are adjusted to that pressure. If you allow some difference in pressure the air mixture and adjustment times are reduced; so you can have your buildings as strong or as weak as you want depending on how extreme the pressure you want people to adjust to.
EXCUSE ME but you forgot to mention in the Bioshock infinite dlc burial at sea there are recordings of andrew ryan specifically saying he used aluminum as the metal for his city as well as MatPat at game theory confirming he used a specific type of glass he uses for the windows and glass tubes "that does exist in the real world" in his city!
Here is an interesting extra fact. Iceland's geothermal and volcanic activity is not only due to the tectonic plates. In fact, the likely main reason why the island Iceland even became this big is due to it sitting on a *Hot Spot* (also sometimes called mantle plume), a gargantuan pocket of lava rising relatively close up to the surface of Earth's crust. Just an interesting titbit for those who didn't know.
Here's a really odd pair of questions given the more normal subject matter of the series: 1. Do you figure pre-2077 America in Fallout could have built something akin to rapture, and 2. would it survive the surface getting nuked to oblivion?
fallout 4 is support to have a vault underneath the ocean so yes it seems and the force of the blasts wouldn't have any effect that far down ,not sure about the radiation
Rough comparison based on numbers I quickly googled: Splitting CO2 : 1500 kJ/mol ===> 1500 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 1 mol CO2) Splitting H2O: 3000 kJ/mol ===> 6000 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 2 mol H2O) (fyi: a mol is just a fixed number of molecules) So, if you really want to create your oxygen deep under water, your best bet is to just convert the CO2 back. This also gets rid of your problem with CO2.
You don't need sunlight for photosynthesis. If you have a source of power to extract oxygen out of water, you also have a power source to create light that plants can use. That said, electrolysis is a better idea. Plants would be used more as a source of food than anything else.
In the book, Ryan accounted for the pressure problem. since he was the times genius he invented a way to combine glass and steel and the atomic level and he used this for the glass panes along with different engineering for his city. But his city was still subject to erosion and water leakage was always an issue.The book was a pretty good read.
-_- no. Again, it's all about differential pressure. If said 'thing' had atmosphere inside it pressured to sea level, sure, but if it's internal pressure is allowed to adjust, or doesn't have a gas inside it, then it would be fine. The real problem is, different depths of the building would have to be at different pressures and different atmospheric gas mixtures. It also means going up or down the building would have to be a very slow process to avoid the bends. If you think Mass Effect Elevators are bad, RL Rapture would be maddening.
No, that isn't how differential pressure works. A lung like setup could operate at any pressure short of infinite because the pressure pushing in is balanced with the pressure pushing out. You could even operate a bellows in perfect vacuum. The biological problem isn't with the forces but with the gas absorption in the blood.
But the pressure is balanced. If you took in a full breath of air at sea level, then descended rapidly while holding your breath the volume of the air in your lungs would shrink as you descend, because the pressure outside effects the pressure inside. It's why you wouldn't want to hold your breath while acceding, because that WOULD burst your lungs. Density does effect the flow rate as you're inhaling, but it doesn't necessitate increased diaphragm force. Roughly: Velocity of Flow = ((Differential Pressure * Area of duct ie, throat) / density of gas )^(1/2)
For the oxygen production and CO2 removal the plants could actually be used. The lamps seen on the walls would have to be grow lights (lighting specifically designed to encourage plant growth) and they could be set on timers to dim and brighten to mimic sunlight.
It would seem to make sense in a "sure, we _could_ do it" perspective, but it does not make sense from an economic or physical perspective. I.e. the amount of energy needed to produce breathable air for one person is prohibitive, let alone for a city of people. State changes (boiling) is hard enough, breaking molecular bonds is even harder.
thats true, its not really economical, but they have a near infinite powersource (geothermic energy) and could use the hydrogen to power fuelcells to get even more energy if needed. also they dont have to pay for the heat they harness so the economic factor is not that much of a deal
Well fuelcells are not suitable for generating energy when you you need the oxygen. A fuelcell just combines the hydrogen and oxygen to water so you would just lose energy in the process
Yep that's my fault there, you can't use fuel cells without using the oxygen too. But you could still use it the regular way by heating water- > creating steam-> powering a turbine... You get the idea. That was what I intended to say, there would probably be more than enough energy to use...
You forgot one point with the gardens : today, we can make vertical farms that don't require real sunlight, LED lights seems to be enough for plants to grow. Maybe it's enough to do some photosynthesis too ?
IF you read the Rapture Book (in the case you didn't), (I recommend), you probably would know that they build a sistem to "canalize" the sun light into rapture, and the constructions where based in the USA city building, buuutttt, the scale of everything where adapted to raptures/ocean format, to get somethings more easly, you could at least hear some audio book of rapture (I don't known if there is one, but probably have), the book tells almost everything about how rapture was constructed, how they taked the oxygen from the algae, using the geothermical as a source of energy, and bla bla bla
It may have been mentioned before, but plants can exist without access to the Sun. A little piece of technology called grow lights are used when natural solar light is not available. And this technology has been in use for at least 50 years.
He debunked it, kicked it in the ole meat and two veg, tea bagged it for 5 minutes then pissed all over it while laughing and yelling "LOL PWNED!", the whole time it was curled up inna ball on the floor whimpering for mommy
It would be impossible for the Triton Rebreather to work because of the size of its battery, it would need a battery the size of a hoverboard's to filter and pump enough oxygen for someone to be able to breath through it for just a couple of minutes.
There's also the fact that building a city like Rapture would practically take over hundreds of trillions of dollars, considering the materials, man-power, and necessities.
in the prequel novelization of bioshock they address the pressure effecting the buildings problem. Andrew Ryan has someone design a clear glass like material that is comprised of various metals. he called it ryanium and supposedly it can withstand extreme pressures. the real life version of this would be that material designed by google that is going to be used as an uncrackable screen on their coming phones.
I just finished bioshock for the first time. 15 years late but it is a great game. I am so fascinated by a city being under water. If it was real, I would go in a heart beat!
Some guy did the math on the triton, to be able to breathe you need to pump 350+ liters (700 gallons?) of water through it per minute, at that's if you had a 100% oxygen uptake.
I CHOOSE to like this video! Great episode, but I have a couple of minor nitpicks: 1) Plants can be grown indoors with proper lighting, without sun. I'm willing to believe that the vines they use are so pervasive (think kudzu which doubles as food source, or jewelweed) that they needed to build a glass ceiling over the plant life to prevent it from getting into the electrical system. 2) I posit that the coordinates in the note are not the coordinates of Rapture, but the coordinates of when he should begin to open the package, and momentum could have carried him to the lighthouse, which itself is not directly above Rapture. Check the bathysphere's motion in the opening scene. So maybe Rapture is at a slightly higher point in the sea floor, and the amount of pressurization, while not able to completely stop the buildings from being affected, was enough to slow it down to a point where maintenance crews were just barely keeping up with the issues. Failure was inevitable but not immediate. Of course if someone who's much better at physics wants to prove me wrong, I'm all ears!
Just equalize the air pressure inside the building to the water outside and reduce the percentage of oxygen in air by adding nitrogen to not get hyperoxia. No need of exotic materials
Spacesuits today only have CO^2 scrubbers as backups of the emergency sort. We can now just remove CO^2 directly and eject it from your otherwise closed system.
I'm disappointed in the quality of this video. Not only did you fail to fact check multiple points you made but you also neglected information in the game concerning the depth of the city. rapture is NOT located 2000 m below sea level. at that depth there is almost NO LIGHT AT ALL. also where the heck did you even get that number? while you are correct that electrolysis is the easiest solution for acquiring oxygen you also ignored the fact that breathing a pure oxygen atmosphere is lethal given time and flammable as all hell. at that depth the atmosphere would be fairly highly pressurized and every time someone went for a smoke the whole city would go up like Apollo 1! they would need access to nitrogen and other gasses to make life possible.
*Are you fucking serious? You are really going to take an ubran legend-inspired rebreather which doesn't actually work for your scientific evidence?* Unsubbed.
Disappointed in this video, the research done on this channel is usually very good. Mention the triton breather and immediately it lost all credibility.
Damn it the second he said "would you kindly... click like on this video" I dropped what i was reading on comixology and clicked like. That Bioshock game freakin got me programmed!
If Rapture is going to be built in my lifetime - I'm going there. I don't care about splicers, little sisters, adam - I'm going and no one will stop me.
A building that can withstand erosion and survive the pressure being that deep has already been created, Look up Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections, Super Rig. You can pour a continuous concrete pillar and have it hollowed out to withstand massive pressures. However this would look nothing like Rapture's building.
US navy subs uses Oxygen recyclers that can allow them stay underwater for as long as food supply last. Also you forget about UV lighting on plants can help trick them into making oxygen.
What if the pressure were equalized between the inside and outside of the buildings, and the people descended and ascended slowly so not to get the bends?
Hey Andrew, you forgot to read "Rapture" the official Bioshock novel, which talks about how the buildings aren't crushed. If I remember, it was something like Titanium alloy frames inside the walls or something, but about 2-3 chapters into the novel, Andrew Ryan talks to Bill McDonagh about it.
Aside from the obligatory triton remark, we can definitely build things capable of surviving high pressure. The problem is cost-effectiveness and installation. But yes, it wouldn't resemble skyscrapers at all.
plants don't have to have sunlight to grow. simply having artificial light such as a lamp can keep plants growing. if you look at grass near street lamps , they usually grow taller than other grass
We're also getting close to the funnest part of Bioshock, the Plasmids. CRISPR Cas 9 can remove and replace sequences of DNA in a living organism. It may not give us the power to shoot lightning or fireballs but it has a good chance of reducing the human race to a a bunch a gibbering mutants...more than we already are anyways. Good news! It's also super cheap and easy! Also I think underwater habitats often use a helium based atmosphere, which probably would have undercut the tension in Rapture if everyone sounded like a cartoon chipmunk.
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in the book of bioshock ryan says that he had some sort 'ryanium' that was strong against presure
gökçe arslan aka plot armor
The video was about the viability for us to build it today using what tech we already have. Also it completely ignored cost as Ryan would have needed to own around 40% of the current planetary GDP to get it done
Are you questioning Andrew Ryan? Looks like we got a parasite over here.
If you want to see parasitism, just look toward people who take Ayn Rand's fiction seriously
So did you miss the reference to the games or just choose to bypass it?
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ShoddyCast mat pat already did this on game theory
Is Austin aware you published this video?
So you know the Triton breather isn't real, right? It was only concept art for a potential piece of technology. To quote Snopes, "the Triton is far more concept than product, and not necessarily a concept that will ever be realizable"
www.snopes.com/triton-scuba-mask-design/
also thunderfoot explained in 20 mins on how it wont work ever!
ShoddyCast your triton rebreather has been debunked more times then people have died in the history of earth.
Plants can grow off of an array of blue and red LED lights.
yep this time his research is shit
blue and red, chlorophyll reflects green light
Neferpeko
Yeah i know, my mistake, i was tired while typing that.
Okay thank you. I was sitting here the entire time saying to myself but cant you use those lights we already use to grow plants in places that dont get sunlight. Is that not the same principle.
wheeljack699
As long as you can shine blue and red light on the plants, they can grow. Doesn't really matter what is making the light i think.
The Triton doesn't work, and plants can use artificial light to photosynthesize, so they don't need to be in the euphotic zone.
The Triton is NOT a promising looking device for divers, it doesn't exist. It isn't possible/real.
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Caliden the Tristan's bullshit there's so many videos against it
gearjunkie.com/refunded-triton-artificial-gills-campaign-update the truth about the tritons
Not to mention that it was proven to be a scam. They didn't even attempt to make either. It might be possible, but it would require a lot of work and a real, much, much larger battery.
themikead99 this technology is complete bullshit, at a minimum the triton would have to filter 60 litres of water per minute, which is like 2 garden hoses on at full blast, and that's if they use a rebreather/oxygen scrubber with it. If they use electrolysis they need basically a nuclear reactor on their back to get enough electricity, so no not possible at all
Damnit, where's the SCIENCE?!
it has been moved to Wednesdays
Wednesdays.
+Hjernespreng HUMP DAY!! You know, the ad?
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SCIENCE!
the triton is debunked
We know over 30 people already said that
Oh i was about to leave a comment about that joke of a product.
I wish they'd just done a bit more research before talking about something so crappy and fake.
The Triton has been debunked thoroughly, by more than one person.
I was just about to write that hahah. Need to do more research :P I'm not smart. Like no where near it but I knew it was fake due to the size and amount of water you would have to flow through it hahah
Hello everyone; welcome to Game Theory!
where everything is made up and the truth doesn't matter
Hey whats up guys it's Scarce here
*walks around tree*
You're trying to put "shoddy" in ShoddyCast with that rebreather shit.
You know you can grow plants under a lamp right? You don't need to be in the zone high enough for sunlight to pass through the water to grow plants, just a lot of lamps can grow enough plants
it would still probably take less power to split apart the water
but it also brings food.
true but it takes A LOT to grow food for a larger population and fishing/importation would likely be the case just look at modern cities which get all their food shipped in
True but the whole point of Rapture was to be cut off from the outside world.
except that fontaine used subs hauling nets to catch fish for the city...and also smuggle in contraband behind ryans back..
3:40 North? North Korea? That can't be right.
Don't worry, the Triton is a hoax.
samramdebest it was actually a scam by a South Korean if you notice in the picture he wasn't starved or dead.
Thunderf00t debunked it.
bottomkek
He mispoke, it was South Korea, but it's still fake
I like how you used Skyrim questmarkers on the map :D nice touch^^
yeah I noticed that too XD
As someone who is an indoor gardener, plants are more than happy to use artificial light instead of sunlight. My bedroom only has one window and it's shaded by a tree, so I rarely get any sunlight, but I have almost 50 plants in my bedroom that have been doing well for months.
Guys, the coordinates on Jack's present aren't exactly the location of Rapture (Spoilers) They are the coordinates in wich Jack will open the present and hijack the plane. The exact coordinates and the exact instructions to hijack and bring down the plane on the location of the lignthouse shoud have been somewhere inside the package. The shallower and more suitable places you guys pointed out could be the location of Rapture. Also, the sun in Arcadia comes from a giant arrangement of mirrors coming from the lighthouse to rapture, and the glass and structure of Rapture is made from imaginary materials that are somehow extremally fucking resistent to pressure.
"The City Would Pretty Much Be Crushed Like A Tin Can" -Rapture: wouldn't get crushed by the pressure considering the fact that every material it's made of is reinforced and more than half of the buildings are reinforced titanium
The lore is that the structures were made of aluminium, a big oversight
The triton rebreather was a scam, thunderfoot made a great video debunking it. do your research next time guys
Shoddy, the triton was PROVEN to be a flop
Yeah, it was BS.
he said It was developed in NORTH KOREA, don't believe North Korea, simple as that
The top three comments are the same fucking thing. Assuming it's fake, does that matter? the concept is still there.
Chandler Gloyd The concept is unrealistic though. There simply isnt enough oxygen in water for that to be feasable
+Chandler Gloyd give me the water that you would have to flood through that thing per second and the amount of energy required out of the fabled of micro battery do not add up that thing is not possible with today's technology.
Fine video folks, enjoyed it :)
Thanks!
More to come next week ;)
thenthapple apart from the everything that was wrong. Seriously next time he needs to do proper research.
Aiden Drew I enjoyed it. There will always be some inconsistency's in many research heavy videos :)
thenthapple sup
For a city on the bottom of the sea, the buildings would almost have to be spherical in shape to distribute the immense pressures. The good thing is that the current that low is pretty small due to the massive boundary layer, so side loading from currents would be somewhat negligible. Like the man says the name of the game is pressure!
Everyone else: TEH TRITON IS FAKE!
Meh: Yeah, and MattPat already did this video ecept a lot better with more evidence and math backing it up.
No one fucking cares about Matt pat the only mistake shoddycast did with this video was not use Austin. they made a half asses video made by some retarded brit or auzzy
scot, sounds like
Martin Mercado Sir, are you, and if you are, how high are you?
MatPat's video is definitely important because one of the things he did was explain how the structural integrity wasn't an issue because we have, and more importantly, had the materials to make rapture as early as the 1940's. The main reason it hasn't been done in real life is because it's more trouble than it's worth. and would be difficult at best to sustain such a city.
Game Theory says that rapture is possible. So who should we believe?
I believe MatPat specifically said that the actual shape of the buildings would be a real problem, as they wouldn't be able to distribute the pressure well, but then again, the shape was mainly a large part of the atmosphere, it was supposed to be a familiar thing in an unfamiliar enviroment. A realistic city of spheres just wouldn't fit the atmosphere of the game.
I'd go with matty's findings if I where you.
OnionChoppingNinja
Yeah, at least MatPat did his research.
Back then anyway, these days, not that much sadly...
As an engineer, I can tell you we cannot build rapture. It is impossible unless the depth of the city is shallower than noted
The city is a possible thing however humanity needs to make stronger materials or construction methods before it can be built
Nice job Andrew! I've never actually played Bioshock. I'm getting the impression that I'm missing out.
depends on what you play games for. If you like corridor shooters and rich narratives then I highly recommend it.
Not to forget, pure oxygen is poisenous.... we need a gas of the quality of air or atleast 'unpure/mixed' oxygen.
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what? im pretty sure nasa used pure oxygen in the apollo missions and the astronauts didnt die from breathing the oxygen
i did some research and apparently pure oxygen is only toxic if the pressure is too high. pure oxygen at reduced pressure is ok
john li
is it? oh good to know!
+john li
+otakuofmine
Oxygen becomes toxic when it's partial pressure (ppO2) exceeds 1.6, and partial pressure is percent times atmospheres. 100% oxygen becomes toxic at 1.6 atmospheres (1.00 * 1.6 = 1.6) and 1.6 atmospheres is about what you will feel at 20 ft (33 ft/atm * (1.6-1) atm = 19.8 ft). In general: max depth for a mixture is 33*((1.6/[%])-1).
Regular old air is 21% and so is safe down to about 218 ft, and the stuff I tend to use is 32% and so good to 132ft. If you find yourself suffering from oxygen toxicity, the symptoms you will experience are best remembered with the acronym ConVENTID (Convulsions, distorted Vision, ringing in the Ears, Nausea, Twitching, Irritability, and Dizziness).
Devon Parsons
Thx for this fundamental answer! Now I am in the know.
Holy fuck this guy thought the rebreather was real😂. Just leave the actual science to Austin, guy.
Internal air pressure counteracts external water pressure, you can easily build deep sea structures as long as they are kept at pressure and the inhabitants and air mixtures are adjusted to that pressure. If you allow some difference in pressure the air mixture and adjustment times are reduced; so you can have your buildings as strong or as weak as you want depending on how extreme the pressure you want people to adjust to.
EXCUSE ME but you forgot to mention in the Bioshock infinite dlc burial at sea there are recordings of andrew ryan specifically saying he used aluminum as the metal for his city as well as MatPat at game theory confirming he used a specific type of glass he uses for the windows and glass tubes "that does exist in the real world" in his city!
I can't believe this guy fell for the Triton.
NOTE: Triton Is a Scam, Please get your facts straight!
Triton is fake bro
its COMPLETELY bull shit
We already know over 10 people before you just commented that
you know, the triton rebreather has been proven to be completely impossible. other than that, great video :-)
Here is an interesting extra fact. Iceland's geothermal and volcanic activity is not only due to the tectonic plates.
In fact, the likely main reason why the island Iceland even became this big is due to it sitting on a *Hot Spot* (also sometimes called mantle plume), a gargantuan pocket of lava rising relatively close up to the surface of Earth's crust.
Just an interesting titbit for those who didn't know.
Are we close to rebuilding Harambe
game theory did this and it was better
i was kinda thinking the same thing too, and i dont even like game theory that much anymore
Here's a really odd pair of questions given the more normal subject matter of the series:
1. Do you figure pre-2077 America in Fallout could have built something akin to rapture, and 2. would it survive the surface getting nuked to oblivion?
fallout 4 is support to have a vault underneath the ocean so yes it seems and the force of the blasts wouldn't have any effect that far down ,not sure about the radiation
water is a great insulator against radiation, so unless a bomb was detonated right on the city, it would be fine
Lunar Trooper i've thought about that but wouldn't the actual fallout sink into the ocean or would it be carried by the currents
star heaven I suppose it depends on how deep this city is, but as the video described, solar radiation can't even make it to Rapture.
In the end of the Bioshock Infinite you end up in Rapture and take the batisphere up to the surface going for roughly 150-200 meters.
Oh cool a science video about BioSho- Oh it's by Andrew.
Rough comparison based on numbers I quickly googled:
Splitting CO2 : 1500 kJ/mol ===> 1500 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 1 mol CO2)
Splitting H2O: 3000 kJ/mol ===> 6000 kJ per mol of O2 produced. (1 mol O2 per 2 mol H2O)
(fyi: a mol is just a fixed number of molecules)
So, if you really want to create your oxygen deep under water, your best bet is to just convert the CO2 back. This also gets rid of your problem with CO2.
But that's just a theory,
A GAME THEORY!
GAY*
Stevethegoddamnemu
Fuck you wrong channel.
You don't need sunlight for photosynthesis. If you have a source of power to extract oxygen out of water, you also have a power source to create light that plants can use. That said, electrolysis is a better idea. Plants would be used more as a source of food than anything else.
but the triton rebreather is a scam? the amount of water it would need to pass through is monumental!
"It was not impossible to build rapture underwater, it was impossible to build it anywhere else" -Andrew Ryan
Well ShoddyCast you really fucked up on fact checking.
In the book, Ryan accounted for the pressure problem. since he was the times genius he invented a way to combine glass and steel and the atomic level and he used this for the glass panes along with different engineering for his city. But his city was still subject to erosion and water leakage was always an issue.The book was a pretty good read.
Air Pressure inside the structure would help mitigate the water pressure.
-_- no. Again, it's all about differential pressure. If said 'thing' had atmosphere inside it pressured to sea level, sure, but if it's internal pressure is allowed to adjust, or doesn't have a gas inside it, then it would be fine.
The real problem is, different depths of the building would have to be at different pressures and different atmospheric gas mixtures. It also means going up or down the building would have to be a very slow process to avoid the bends. If you think Mass Effect Elevators are bad, RL Rapture would be maddening.
No, that isn't how differential pressure works. A lung like setup could operate at any pressure short of infinite because the pressure pushing in is balanced with the pressure pushing out. You could even operate a bellows in perfect vacuum. The biological problem isn't with the forces but with the gas absorption in the blood.
Understand, the air pressure inside a scuba divers lungs is equal to the water pressure around them.
But the pressure is balanced. If you took in a full breath of air at sea level, then descended rapidly while holding your breath the volume of the air in your lungs would shrink as you descend, because the pressure outside effects the pressure inside. It's why you wouldn't want to hold your breath while acceding, because that WOULD burst your lungs.
Density does effect the flow rate as you're inhaling, but it doesn't necessitate increased diaphragm force. Roughly:
Velocity of Flow = ((Differential Pressure * Area of duct ie, throat) / density of gas )^(1/2)
That awkward moment he says it's not possible but The Game Theroist did the math and says it's completely possible.
The triton thing is fake
For the oxygen production and CO2 removal the plants could actually be used. The lamps seen on the walls would have to be grow lights (lighting specifically designed to encourage plant growth) and they could be set on timers to dim and brighten to mimic sunlight.
the triton is fake as balls , it is almost impossible to to make it real aswell , thunderf00t and numerus others did some good debunking on that thing
Great vid Andrew! Loving your work on the ShoddyCast channel :)
Couldn't you just use Electrolysis on the seawater? There's a fuckload of oxygen locked up in the stuff.
of course you could. thats why he mentioned it.
It would seem to make sense in a "sure, we _could_ do it" perspective, but it does not make sense from an economic or physical perspective. I.e. the amount of energy needed to produce breathable air for one person is prohibitive, let alone for a city of people. State changes (boiling) is hard enough, breaking molecular bonds is even harder.
thats true, its not really economical, but they have a near infinite powersource (geothermic energy) and could use the hydrogen to power fuelcells to get even more energy if needed. also they dont have to pay for the heat they harness so the economic factor is not that much of a deal
Well fuelcells are not suitable for generating energy when you you need the oxygen. A fuelcell just combines the hydrogen and oxygen to water so you would just lose energy in the process
Yep that's my fault there, you can't use fuel cells without using the oxygen too. But you could still use it the regular way by heating water- > creating steam-> powering a turbine... You get the idea. That was what I intended to say, there would probably be more than enough energy to use...
You forgot one point with the gardens : today, we can make vertical farms that don't require real sunlight, LED lights seems to be enough for plants to grow. Maybe it's enough to do some photosynthesis too ?
IF you read the Rapture Book (in the case you didn't), (I recommend), you probably would know that they build a sistem to "canalize" the sun light into rapture, and the constructions where based in the USA city building, buuutttt, the scale of everything where adapted to raptures/ocean format, to get somethings more easly, you could at least hear some audio book of rapture (I don't known if there is one, but probably have), the book tells almost everything about how rapture was constructed, how they taked the oxygen from the algae, using the geothermical as a source of energy, and bla bla bla
*read
sorry, Im quite a bit noob in english, lol
It may have been mentioned before, but plants can exist without access to the Sun. A little piece of technology called grow lights are used when natural solar light is not available. And this technology has been in use for at least 50 years.
The hint that triton was fake was that it was both useful, and from North Korea
It was actually from South Korea, he didn't even get that right in the video.
If we ever develop artificial gills, we could just pump seawater through them to get oxygen.
Thunderf00t debunked the Triton rather hard.
He didn't debunk it he kicked it in the knackers and proceeded to shit on it while it was curled up on the floor.
He debunked it, kicked it in the ole meat and two veg, tea bagged it for 5 minutes then pissed all over it while laughing and yelling "LOL PWNED!", the whole time it was curled up inna ball on the floor whimpering for mommy
It would be impossible for the Triton Rebreather to work because of the size of its battery, it would need a battery the size of a hoverboard's to filter and pump enough oxygen for someone to be able to breath through it for just a couple of minutes.
Also andrew i enjoy your hidden history, but maybe consider sticking to that tbh.
Also this one was a bit lacking in lore... ya should of read the book at least.. it was confirmed as cannon by 2k.
There's also the fact that building a city like Rapture would practically take over hundreds of trillions of dollars, considering the materials, man-power, and necessities.
Ate you serious? Do your research. Those Triton hills are fake. Jeez
"Would you kindly like". I suddenly have some strange urge to press the like button.
We just have to take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else
You want a real science-uncovering weapon challenge? The Death Note.
what about food?
i mean, if you can grow plants, you can grow food. veggies and fruit. grass for livestock. whole farms even
And don't forget human flesh ofcourse....
a lot of people forget how nutritious seaweed is, also fishing
in the prequel novelization of bioshock they address the pressure effecting the buildings problem. Andrew Ryan has someone design a clear glass like material that is comprised of various metals. he called it ryanium and supposedly it can withstand extreme pressures. the real life version of this would be that material designed by google that is going to be used as an uncrackable screen on their coming phones.
I wish Columbia existed. I love it's conservative, pro white ideology and I love it's style the classic 1910's style.
but i dont think you'll want columbia in our era though thats practicely asking for hell on earth
Crawford Graham Why? Is it because of the amount of left wing libtards on the planet?
Rift x Magiicz well that, as well as the religious crazy people
Crawford Graham Islam?
no Rift x Magiicz
I remember an audio log in BioShock that said the garden was not the main source of oxygen. It was just to make the citizens feel better.
is he talking? all I can hear is a piano playing.
You're lucky. His accent is really annoying !
25TV his accent makes me hard
All Scottish accents are really annoying. (Says someone who lives just across the border). 😂
I'm not trying to say his accent is bad. I'm trying to say that I cannot hear his voice with the music playing.
KUNGFUFUMAN I got that and yes it really is too loud xD
I just finished bioshock for the first time. 15 years late but it is a great game. I am so fascinated by a city being under water. If it was real, I would go in a heart beat!
i'm sorry i just cant listen to Andrews voice for more than a few seconds
Some guy did the math on the triton, to be able to breathe you need to pump 350+ liters (700 gallons?) of water through it per minute, at that's if you had a 100% oxygen uptake.
mat pat did it first
MatPat tends to do it first but not always the best. More entertainment than engineering which is both a positive and negative.
I CHOOSE to like this video! Great episode, but I have a couple of minor nitpicks: 1) Plants can be grown indoors with proper lighting, without sun. I'm willing to believe that the vines they use are so pervasive (think kudzu which doubles as food source, or jewelweed) that they needed to build a glass ceiling over the plant life to prevent it from getting into the electrical system. 2) I posit that the coordinates in the note are not the coordinates of Rapture, but the coordinates of when he should begin to open the package, and momentum could have carried him to the lighthouse, which itself is not directly above Rapture. Check the bathysphere's motion in the opening scene. So maybe Rapture is at a slightly higher point in the sea floor, and the amount of pressurization, while not able to completely stop the buildings from being affected, was enough to slow it down to a point where maintenance crews were just barely keeping up with the issues. Failure was inevitable but not immediate. Of course if someone who's much better at physics wants to prove me wrong, I'm all ears!
couldnt you use a graphene biodome to negate pressure
almost like a forcefield
You could increase the internal pressure and use a multi layer geometric sphere well stepping up the pressure as you get closer to the outer hull.
jona jon or use graphene. That shit can absorb forces like no other
jona jon just dont try use a tritan cos its a rip-off piece of shit FUCK YOU SHODYCAST USE GOOGLE
Just equalize the air pressure inside the building to the water outside and reduce the percentage of oxygen in air by adding nitrogen to not get hyperoxia. No need of exotic materials
Spacesuits today only have CO^2 scrubbers as backups of the emergency sort. We can now just remove CO^2 directly and eject it from your otherwise closed system.
Is Columbia possible
I think matpat already did that video, It's possible to build but not possible to live there
MatPat did both already so...
Jorge R yeah just watch matpat video on Columbia
JustThatLuka thank you
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The issue is that the triton thing is a scam due to you know, it not being physically possible
I'm disappointed in the quality of this video. Not only did you fail to fact check multiple points you made but you also neglected information in the game concerning the depth of the city. rapture is NOT located 2000 m below sea level. at that depth there is almost NO LIGHT AT ALL. also where the heck did you even get that number? while you are correct that electrolysis is the easiest solution for acquiring oxygen you also ignored the fact that breathing a pure oxygen atmosphere is lethal given time and flammable as all hell. at that depth the atmosphere would be fairly highly pressurized and every time someone went for a smoke the whole city would go up like Apollo 1! they would need access to nitrogen and other gasses to make life possible.
geothermal energy is the super power generated when one takes a shit on a dead rabbit which is rare that is why geothermal energy is so rarely used
*Are you fucking serious? You are really going to take an ubran legend-inspired rebreather which doesn't actually work for your scientific evidence?* Unsubbed.
DJWolves97 oh you showed him!
Lol...
You're joking right?
a rather small moose ur a fkn idiot
Well you're not much to compare to ;)
a rather small moose Is that so?
The buildings in rapture where built at that level adapted to the pressure being built that low made it possible for Ryan to make rapture
Disappointed in this video, the research done on this channel is usually very good. Mention the triton breather and immediately it lost all credibility.
Damn it the second he said "would you kindly... click like on this video" I dropped what i was reading on comixology and clicked like. That Bioshock game freakin got me programmed!
To rend your enemies is to see them not as equals, but as objects, hollow of spirit and soul.
If Rapture is going to be built in my lifetime - I'm going there. I don't care about splicers, little sisters, adam - I'm going and no one will stop me.
when I was down in the keys scuba diving I was a couple hundred feet away from that Aquarius lab but we couldn't get closer due to obvious reasons
Oh, Iceland. How I love Iceland. Never seen a volcano, but tons of geysers and waterfalls.
A building that can withstand erosion and survive the pressure being that deep has already been created, Look up Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections, Super Rig. You can pour a continuous concrete pillar and have it hollowed out to withstand massive pressures. However this would look nothing like Rapture's building.
you can also create oxygen from water by running an electric urrent though it. This method was found during the 1940's.
If we make a real life rapture.... I'm calling it Atlantis
US navy subs uses Oxygen recyclers that can allow them stay underwater for as long as food supply last. Also you forget about UV lighting on plants can help trick them into making oxygen.
There's a glass that hardens under pressure you could create a dome and have the city built within it would just look vastly different
What if the pressure were equalized between the inside and outside of the buildings, and the people descended and ascended slowly so not to get the bends?
the triton rebreather is complete phsudoscience
Hey Andrew, you forgot to read "Rapture" the official Bioshock novel, which talks about how the buildings aren't crushed. If I remember, it was something like Titanium alloy frames inside the walls or something, but about 2-3 chapters into the novel, Andrew Ryan talks to Bill McDonagh about it.
Aside from the obligatory triton remark, we can definitely build things capable of surviving high pressure. The problem is cost-effectiveness and installation. But yes, it wouldn't resemble skyscrapers at all.
plants don't have to have sunlight to grow. simply having artificial light such as a lamp can keep plants growing. if you look at grass near street lamps , they usually grow taller than other grass
We're also getting close to the funnest part of Bioshock, the Plasmids. CRISPR Cas 9 can remove and replace sequences of DNA in a living organism. It may not give us the power to shoot lightning or fireballs but it has a good chance of reducing the human race to a a bunch a gibbering mutants...more than we already are anyways. Good news! It's also super cheap and easy!
Also I think underwater habitats often use a helium based atmosphere, which probably would have undercut the tension in Rapture if everyone sounded like a cartoon chipmunk.
So this is basically the old Game Theory video on this topic without adding anything.