Huge gaf by bardwell. Its like he doesnt even care anymore. How could he make such a huge mistake. He clearly hasnt even watched all the video comparisons we all have watched.
If you want the best low light performance, you would still use a dedicated camera. Not least because the feed you will want to fly with in low light is not the feed you would want to record for the best results.. until we get dual streaming, this will always be the case. Sensor size can mean less noise at a relative ISO - but only if other things, the photosite density, aperture etc remain constant. There are action cameras on the market with better performance than the o4, because of these things.
Guys, this video is all about Joshua opinion. Its all a perspective. He has good answers, but still he will choose from his perspective. Choose what is best for you with his info. Thx for all the help Joshua. I am Newbee in this hobby and tx for all input.
Maybe going to 0ms to 7ms is impossible to notice but going from 20ms to 27ms or 30ms to 37ms I guess is possible. When I switched to O3 I was overcorrecting all the time, then I switched to erls and cut about 6ms, that was enough to solve that thing.
Latency is about optical flow estimate of your brain and it can go down to 13ms total (finger to change in screen). These latency values are only a part of it. Hence it is actually more. So people can recognize it
As others have mentioned , the o4 actually has a larger sensor than a hero 13. Generally meaning better low light and better dynamic range. From everything I’ve seen , I personally think the o4 looks better than a GoPro. GoPro is falling way behind
@ idk if you’re not setting things right or what. There’s tons of comparisons videos out already. O4 looks better than GoPro. Only thing that has the o4 beat is the dji action 5 pro
I bought a used Avata 2 flymore kit for $700 and now can use the new air units and fly my mini 4 pro with goggles and pistol controller. Much happier than buying one of the other goggles!
I really see no reason why you would choose the N3 over the Integra or goggles 2. 60mb mode really doesn't matter much. Only thing you loose is race mode but the N3 only has 60hz displayz
Wth did they think when they made the o4 lite lens so low fov though? I mean they did so many things right, just to ruin it all with the most important part, the lens. There seems to be some very intrusive ways to change the lens though (ripping the whole lens module off and gluing another one on) that i will have to do to mine.
The Dji fpv goggles 4 ( coming up the next few months with a low price)will be the best match for o4 and a serious reason to upgrade from the v2 goggles. Meanwhile the v2/o3 combo is absolute perfect!
Thanks for the INAV information. I was doing a test operation and was too immersed to see the "low power mode in the screen but I did wonder why I was such a low bit rate. Perfect clarity in the goggles at 8-9 Mbps behind myself and around 650 metres away. I either do quick betaflight change over or something INAV testing. Maybe I should say "too excited to test my new toy' rather than "immersed" 😁
29:05 I had to apply the Ham file for O4 airunit mode, then later that same flight session had to reapply it for O3 mode. I swear I unlocked it for Avata2 a while back. IDK if this changed but it seems each mode needs the Ham unlock applied.
The O4 system is still not usable in races. The organizers would need to get a separate, discrete receiver just for the race judges to see the dji signal, that I don’t see happening anytime soon. Unfortunately you cannot just “show up at a race” with o4 yet
What’s happening at rotor riot? I notify them 1 week ago that I received defective goggles and the replacement is not shipped yet!I bought their kit because i didn’t want problems !
The only thing about the goggles N3 is that they are not backwards compatible (yet) with DJI O3 air units. There are ALOT of DJI O3 air unit drones out there!
Oh that’s so cool, the DJI N3 goggles are just perfect for me but O4 pro and lite form factors are not suitable for my present quads. Will it also be compatible with the vista?
Hey Joshua! I have an idea for an interesting comparison video, and I think many people are asking themselves the same question and would like to know. Testing Racing mode penetration and range at 1200mw, compared to 20Hz (normal mode) and 60Hz. Some people will just jump into the latency improvement hype, but I personally would like to know how many walls I’m losing on a big bando scenario just to fly a bit more connected. Thanks!
Can you please put a table of compatibility on the screen when talking about what goggles can connect to what air units. Some visual air would really help support the words you are saying.
G2, Integra, G3, and N3 can all bind to O3 and O4 air unit. They are all mutually compatible. G2 goggles can also bind to Vista-generation air unit. V2 goggles can bind to Vista and O3 but not O4.
@JoshuaBardwell the N3 do not support the O3 at all, that's wrong. And the G2 and Integra don't support race mode. Which helps when I'm flying with others. Come on.
Joshua you are mistaken when you say that GoPros have a larger sensor, the O4 Pro has 1/1.3" like the Action 5 Pro, the GoPros have a SMALLER sensor with 1/1.9" !!
Density, aperture, resolution, metering algos and native ratio are also important. The GoPros are still better in most of those metrics. Which is the reason why the image quality is better.
Having tried both, I'm going for the N3 goggles because I don't like the design of the 3 due to the weird forehead thing and fold down thing. It did my head in.
Very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights to the new DJI vtx's. I fly the Goggles 2, with several Vista and O3 builds. I'll be sticking with the G2 for the foreseeable future. I am excited to build an 85mm 2S whoop for the O4 lite. And I'm looking forward to an O4 Pro compatible Apex frame. Happy flying everyone. 😎
I also just purchased some replacement 04 Pro antennas to try with my remaining Vista units. I wonder if they will offer greater penetration and distance
Question answer: I cannot use the 04 just to record while flying analog if I dont have the DJI gogoles as well and if I dig further i'll find out i'd need the controller too. I though i could due to onboard memory. To replace a go pro... Once again all the doors are locked for any crossplateform activity and that pissed me off.
Dear Joshua I wish to install a 2nd one to record vertically, would it work please without a FC ? I guess that I should buy cheap N3 goggles ? I'd use my Goggles 3 for the horizontal camera and regular use.
I’ve recently created a naked Vista for my 2 inch freestyle build. And I’m wondering if the 04 lite offers enough to offset the better penetration and better resolution and the better field of you of the naked Vista.
Fixed wing questions, I have goggles3. I want to put the 04 air on my rc plane without a flight controller. In other words, the plane will be controlled by its transmitter and the 04 will have separate battery, just to send video back to goggles 3.
The DJI RC is very inflexible in what you can do with it. Limited buttons and switches. Zero ability to do custom programming. And there is a benefit to maintaining your control link even when your video link goes away -- in that you can trigger RTH or try to fly out of the failsafe.
I still have questions, my go-to mode on O3 is 2.7k 4:3 100fps, but on O4 we don't have that option. I really value the higher fps and vertical fov. How does the O4 compare to that? Is 60fps enough? Is the vertical fov on 16:9 comparable to the one on o3 in 4:3?
1.8Amps @5V - thats an important figure - especially when thinking about a boost converter on 1s Systems 17:46 th-cam.com/video/YU9IRzWw_M8/w-d-xo.html Where I wonder, if it is slightly more efficient to set the boost converter to 3.8V if possible. And I´m fairly sure, the air unit itself has a step-down converter anyways for 3.whatever or even more than 1 voltage line, like an additional 1.whatever
Hey bardwell I have something in enovative ! We have been. Doing this a while and that's something you do see mich anymore but I would like to show you
Hi Joshua or audience … I just bought the JB QAV-S2 Joshua Bardwell S2 Kit and got the 04 pro air unit . I manage to find someone who makes a dual antenna mount and ordered , but still looking for 04 pro camera cage for the 5 “ frame ! Any suggestions or feedback short of gluing .
I really wanna know if there’s a difference in video quality when you look through the goggles. Real time flying through the goggles. Some people say it’s the exact same as the threesome people say it’s a little better but I don’t know how it could be better when the spec is the same other than the wider sensor.
Hey guys 👋🏼 Maybe somebody can help me answer my questions. How can I upgrade my Cinelog 35v2 with the o4 air unit? Is there somebody who already already did it or printed some parts?
I will not buy the O4 / G3 System about my Quads with Vistas in it. If one day I am forced to change all my airunits, I will switch to another system. if dji would integrate backward compatibility to the Goggles to support the older airunits, shut up and take my money.
I learned something today. Thanks Mr. Bardwell
Range limit has been tested to 25.7
28:36 GoPro has a smaller sensor than O4, and that significantly impacts the low-light performance, in which O4 is better
Huge gaf by bardwell. Its like he doesnt even care anymore. How could he make such a huge mistake. He clearly hasnt even watched all the video comparisons we all have watched.
@@gregdaviddexactly this
If you want the best low light performance, you would still use a dedicated camera.
Not least because the feed you will want to fly with in low light is not the feed you would want to record for the best results.. until we get dual streaming, this will always be the case.
Sensor size can mean less noise at a relative ISO - but only if other things, the photosite density, aperture etc remain constant. There are action cameras on the market with better performance than the o4, because of these things.
Guys, this video is all about Joshua opinion. Its all a perspective. He has good answers, but still he will choose from his perspective. Choose what is best for you with his info. Thx for all the help Joshua. I am Newbee in this hobby and tx for all input.
Seriously if someone can notice 7 milli seconds they are super human!
Actually, detecting latency is easier than it seems: th-cam.com/video/2j5mEb31Sfk/w-d-xo.html
Maybe going to 0ms to 7ms is impossible to notice but going from 20ms to 27ms or 30ms to 37ms I guess is possible. When I switched to O3 I was overcorrecting all the time, then I switched to erls and cut about 6ms, that was enough to solve that thing.
You can notice it when gaming, easy 👍🏻
As a gamer I can say no, you're totally wrong
Latency is about optical flow estimate of your brain and it can go down to 13ms total (finger to change in screen). These latency values are only a part of it. Hence it is actually more. So people can recognize it
29:27 Also it's important to power the O4 unit from the LiPo! Powering just from the USB makes the activation fail.
As others have mentioned , the o4 actually has a larger sensor than a hero 13. Generally meaning better low light and better dynamic range. From everything I’ve seen , I personally think the o4 looks better than a GoPro. GoPro is falling way behind
i’m sorry but there’s no way, i still have to rock action cam with o4!
@ idk if you’re not setting things right or what. There’s tons of comparisons videos out already. O4 looks better than GoPro. Only thing that has the o4 beat is the dji action 5 pro
@@doom3crazy i don’t have an eye for color and such so you could be right and my pc monitor is old lol
JB delivers like a boss. Thank you!
Been 4 years, time to let the V2 go.
😔
It's the only goggle that can use analog so it's understandable people want it to stay relevant
Analog support baby
The 04 cameras can't be rotated so you have to mount them with the cable on the top
Yeah no one is saying that
I've seen an after market lens used to increase fov, it fish eyes
"sorry Chadd Rains - DJI got ahead of ya" is going in my edge tx-voice pack and will forever be played when I turn my radio on ❤ Thanks JB hahah 🤙
Rotor Riot Tanq 5" and Tanq S both had 3d prints available on launch as well!!!!!
I bought a used Avata 2 flymore kit for $700 and now can use the new air units and fly my mini 4 pro with goggles and pistol controller. Much happier than buying one of the other goggles!
I really see no reason why you would choose the N3 over the Integra or goggles 2. 60mb mode really doesn't matter much. Only thing you loose is race mode but the N3 only has 60hz displayz
Thanks JB
Wth did they think when they made the o4 lite lens so low fov though? I mean they did so many things right, just to ruin it all with the most important part, the lens. There seems to be some very intrusive ways to change the lens though (ripping the whole lens module off and gluing another one on) that i will have to do to mine.
The Dji fpv goggles 4 ( coming up the next few months with a low price)will be the best match for o4 and a serious reason to upgrade from the v2 goggles.
Meanwhile the v2/o3 combo is absolute perfect!
Thanks for the INAV information. I was doing a test operation and was too immersed to see the "low power mode in the screen but I did wonder why I was such a low bit rate. Perfect clarity in the goggles at 8-9 Mbps behind myself and around 650 metres away. I either do quick betaflight change over or something INAV testing. Maybe I should say "too excited to test my new toy' rather than "immersed" 😁
29:05 I had to apply the Ham file for O4 airunit mode, then later that same flight session had to reapply it for O3 mode. I swear I unlocked it for Avata2 a while back. IDK if this changed but it seems each mode needs the Ham unlock applied.
Thanks JB sir
Thank you!
The dji o4 unit pro uses a larger sensor than the gopro13. O4pro unit: 1/1.3, gopro13: 1/1.9 Nothing says in favor of the gopro.
Thanks my bro
The O4 system is still not usable in races. The organizers would need to get a separate, discrete receiver just for the race judges to see the dji signal, that I don’t see happening anytime soon. Unfortunately you cannot just “show up at a race” with o4 yet
What’s happening at rotor riot?
I notify them 1 week ago that I received defective goggles and the replacement is not shipped yet!I bought their kit because i didn’t want problems !
o4 Hype
The only thing about the goggles N3 is that they are not backwards compatible (yet) with DJI O3 air units. There are ALOT of DJI O3 air unit drones out there!
That is already in the pre-release firmware that I have on my goggles. It's coming very soon ... just a question of when.
Oh that’s so cool, the DJI N3 goggles are just perfect for me but O4 pro and lite form factors are not suitable for my present quads. Will it also be compatible with the vista?
Could the Lite FOV be widened with an aftermarket lens? YES. See JakeFPV
good information sir ❤
Is anyone likely to produce a long camera cable for the 04 lite?
Do you have an AOS 5 build video coming?😊
Hey Joshua! I have an idea for an interesting comparison video, and I think many people are asking themselves the same question and would like to know. Testing Racing mode penetration and range at 1200mw, compared to 20Hz (normal mode) and 60Hz. Some people will just jump into the latency improvement hype, but I personally would like to know how many walls I’m losing on a big bando scenario just to fly a bit more connected. Thanks!
Can you please put a table of compatibility on the screen when talking about what goggles can connect to what air units. Some visual air would really help support the words you are saying.
G2, Integra, G3, and N3 can all bind to O3 and O4 air unit. They are all mutually compatible.
G2 goggles can also bind to Vista-generation air unit.
V2 goggles can bind to Vista and O3 but not O4.
@JoshuaBardwell the N3 do not support the O3 at all, that's wrong. And the G2 and Integra don't support race mode. Which helps when I'm flying with others. Come on.
Joshua you are mistaken when you say that GoPros have a larger sensor, the O4 Pro has 1/1.3" like the Action 5 Pro, the GoPros have a SMALLER sensor with 1/1.9" !!
Density, aperture, resolution, metering algos and native ratio are also important. The GoPros are still better in most of those metrics. Which is the reason why the image quality is better.
Please sell me your 03 units ya’ll 😂😂
Having tried both, I'm going for the N3 goggles because I don't like the design of the 3 due to the weird forehead thing and fold down thing. It did my head in.
Very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights to the new DJI vtx's.
I fly the Goggles 2, with several Vista and O3 builds. I'll be sticking with the G2 for the foreseeable future.
I am excited to build an 85mm 2S whoop for the O4 lite.
And I'm looking forward to an O4 Pro compatible Apex frame.
Happy flying everyone. 😎
I also just purchased some replacement 04 Pro antennas to try with my remaining Vista units.
I wonder if they will offer greater penetration and distance
Great Video
Today I learned something.
Excellent presentation JB as usual. But man o man how I wished DJI would pull a shocker and make the o4 backwards compatible with the Goggles V2. 😊
Can elrs not do audio over telem?
idk how much longer dji will be allowed in the USA!!!
LETS GO THE HARDLIMIT IS WHAT I WANTED GONE (lets just really hope its more than 30km)
It’s 25.6
Question answer:
I cannot use the 04 just to record while flying analog if I dont have the DJI gogoles as well and if I dig further i'll find out i'd need the controller too.
I though i could due to onboard memory. To replace a go pro...
Once again all the doors are locked for any crossplateform activity and that pissed me off.
Oh an O4 video
Hello my name is Vasyl Berdnikov and I'm learn a lot today!
What about o4 antennas polarization? Are they LHCP?
ime on inav 8 dji 04 tried to enter that command into cli ,,, comes up red unknown request
Dear Joshua I wish to install a 2nd one to record vertically, would it work please without a FC ? I guess that I should buy cheap N3 goggles ? I'd use my Goggles 3 for the horizontal camera and regular use.
Happy model mob 7 2s vs RR vision 40 2s? Thoughts
Did I miss this question, does the 04 air unit have backwards compatibility to work with the Integra goggles ?
Yes they are compatible but limited in some of the O4 features.
I’ve recently created a naked Vista for my 2 inch freestyle build. And I’m wondering if the 04 lite offers enough to offset the better penetration and better resolution and the better field of you of the naked Vista.
This is the real question
Naked vista has any overheating?
Fixed wing questions, I have goggles3. I want to put the 04 air on my rc plane without a flight controller. In other words, the plane will be controlled by its transmitter and the 04 will have separate battery, just to send video back to goggles 3.
Ham hack for googles. Set manual power that you want and go
Can i use o4 pro or o3 camera in o4 lite?
Negative, pro/pro & lite/lite only
Video is on 5.8ghz and control rc is on 2.4. Thats why is dualband. Rc link will fail latter
If you want to fly in normal mode I say integra is much better than n3. oled plus 100hz is way better than lcd 60hz 60mbps. plus its much smaller.
For Joshua or anybody else. If I bind the O4 to the Goggles Integra, does that mean the range will be no better than using an O3 with the Integra?
Why do so many people who use DJI O3 and O4 air units opt for ELRS and not DJI PNP controllers?
Prefer larger controllers - Radiomaster > DJI
The DJI RC is very inflexible in what you can do with it. Limited buttons and switches. Zero ability to do custom programming. And there is a benefit to maintaining your control link even when your video link goes away -- in that you can trigger RTH or try to fly out of the failsafe.
Also it is great to have the same remote for all quads, if some still use analog.
I still have questions, my go-to mode on O3 is 2.7k 4:3 100fps, but on O4 we don't have that option. I really value the higher fps and vertical fov. How does the O4 compare to that? Is 60fps enough? Is the vertical fov on 16:9 comparable to the one on o3 in 4:3?
I would just run 1080p100 at 4:3. If you absoultely need the higher resoultion and 4:3, you will have to drop to 60 fps.
Nice présentation by the way...
1.8Amps @5V - thats an important figure - especially when thinking about a boost converter on 1s Systems
17:46
th-cam.com/video/YU9IRzWw_M8/w-d-xo.html
Where I wonder, if it is slightly more efficient to set the boost converter to 3.8V if possible. And I´m fairly sure, the air unit itself has a step-down converter anyways for 3.whatever or even more than 1 voltage line, like an additional 1.whatever
Hey bardwell I have something in enovative ! We have been. Doing this a while and that's something you do see mich anymore but I would like to show you
Hi Joshua or audience … I just bought the JB QAV-S2 Joshua Bardwell S2 Kit and got the 04 pro air unit . I manage to find someone who makes a dual antenna mount and ordered , but still looking for 04 pro camera cage for the 5 “ frame ! Any suggestions or feedback short of gluing .
I really wanna know if there’s a difference in video quality when you look through the goggles. Real time flying through the goggles. Some people say it’s the exact same as the threesome people say it’s a little better but I don’t know how it could be better when the spec is the same other than the wider sensor.
Guys, how can I fly O4 pro with an tx16s mk2 ELRS?😅
Am I stuck or can I buy an extra module to connect my controller elrs with dji O4 pro vtx
??!
Why even watch the evan turner testing now that this dude just gave it up...😂
Hey guys 👋🏼
Maybe somebody can help me answer my questions.
How can I upgrade my Cinelog 35v2 with the o4 air unit?
Is there somebody who already already did it or printed some parts?
Just hate that my O3 units are outdated now
😅😉hi Reddit
Half my quads still have Nebula Pros
no need to upgrade until they break!
I’m still rocking Vista’s. feel no way about that.
I will not buy the O4 / G3 System about my Quads with Vistas in it.
If one day I am forced to change all my airunits, I will switch to another system.
if dji would integrate backward compatibility to the Goggles to support the older airunits, shut up and take my money.
I'd watch out buying too much dji stuff because it is about to be banned because they turned off their geo fencing off!!!
Must be a big ego to need a fence
@@rodertera😂
@@rodertera damn phone I thought I hit geo lmao!
the government is talkign about banning all dji stuff