Brod. I’m a TH-cam snob & your content slaps. The slow light music fade in?! Chefs kiss. And idk your vibe is contagious. Much love man, please come hand with me in Indiana 🤷🏻♂️
Discmania MD4.. its a bit bigger diameter but feels like an MD3. Flies straight with a good hookup and fade at the end of the flight. I'd love to see how it flies for you.
Also just got my flat top firebird in the mail, got a white one with red foil, looks DOPE! Been playing glow disc every night cuz it's dark when I'm out of work, excited to see how it actually flies in the daylight this weekend. Feels good in hand though!
I got into throwing the Roc3 recently, but it can get straight if you're not careful. I've been collecting a bunch to find the right ones. Just picked up a Pyro as well. And I have a Buzzz OS for certain holes that I know it's good for.
Been throwing the DD verdict in this spot since 2016. I've got a nice beat in 2021 lucid-x one that does exactly as your describing, light turn reliable pushy fade.
I'm throwing a Culprit for that spot in a bag. I have a lucid-x Verdict as well, but never bagged it. Proton Matrix is close to Verdict in flight for me and closer in rim shape to Culprit & Zone OS which I bag both.
Im still rocking the midnight flier stamp quake and i love it. Also got my brodbird in a couple days ago and man it is MONEY. Perfect replacement for my PFN star now that winter is coming in MN 🤝
My arm speed in ~55 and I live at altitude. I can hammer on a neutron hex or fission reactor and not flip them. No need for a pyro unless really windy.
Archive? The mango is also much less beefy than the numbers indicate, the distortion is also more faster for me than the 4 ,but i use the pyro forehand and the ultra or distortion backhand .
The Pyro Will Always have a place in my Bag I'm Learning to forehand and seeing you throw makes me want to give it a try I've always given forehand shots the Isaac Robinson treatment in just throwing a backhand anyway. But your content is making me want to step it up and add a forehand to my throws.
Q & A question…is the Trail really that good or is it just the latest overhyped disc? An in-depth analysis would be cool, comparing to different molds from other companies, etc. Thanks Brod, you rock!
Old school Innova made C-Line MD4 is my go-to pushy OS mid. Little deeper than the Ultra, but I don’t really forehand my mids - I usually prefer the Toro. Love it for what I wanted the BuzzzOS to be tho
Love my Pyro. Even at beating the crap out of it for over 2 years, it is still reliable. If anything, it pushes a little further before fading now. I know I can trust it 100%
Mine is 3 years old now and it's so glidey but what nobody talks about is the consistent skip it has. It always has the jump stop on all surfaces where a zone pig and Toro might just stick
When I first got a pyro I had been playing for only a month and my noodle arm having ass couldn’t even use it. But now, after a year of improvement and seasoning the pyro it’s straight money.
everything everybody has said about the quake is true, but you seem like the kind of guy who needs to wake up and smell the trilogy roses: the verdict is soooo nice
@@andreww.9326 I threw the verdict for years and think it’s a great disc. That being said, it doesn’t fall into this category. It’s less overstable🤷🏽♂️
Terminal Velocity Ursus is an amazing overstable mid. I bag a Pyro and an Ursus. The Pyro is straighter and the Ursus is very overstable but still has forward push to it when you smack it. Ursus is very flat and feels great on the sidehand.
I really like the toro. Star toro to be exact. It gets some push, definitely some fade but it has some good skip. I use the pig if I want the same flight but need it to stick
So from my own experience with a good buddy that throws the Gator and Ultra. In comparison My Pyros will skip more, we're the Gator and Ultra will grab more. (Only a few holes do we have grass near the green, mostly dirt and roots.
Kotuku and EMac truth are my favorites. They aren’t quite that 3 fade, but I find the Kotuku to have very reliable fade. EMac doesn’t exactly fight wind how you’d expect, but still a great disc
Have you tried a Verdict? Was the OG Truth mold and similar handfeel to an EMAC but more overstable. Verdict was a great disc but they didn’t want to name it the “Truth” because DD felt that should describe a true-straight midrange. So they tweaked the mold to make the Truth. Then Emac signed and wanted something that could handle power and was more stable. Made the EMAC Truth. So Verdict, Truth, Emac all feel similar in hand but fly different.
i'm curious... have you thought about disc review or challenge with somebody who regularly bags the disc you are reviewing? i'm newer to your channel since the mvp bag change... you have mentioned your bias, and i would guess that it comes out in your throwing as well...
My beat up blue sunset ultra is one of my favorite discs all time and hope to never lose it’s so flat maybe a tick concave. I bought another only it’s not nearly as flat unfortunately can only get online. Brod knows 👌🤝
I have a few pretty beefy DD verdicts and one that’s pretty beat in. They’re great but the pyro kicked them out of the bag. Still, maybe something worth trying out for that slot.
Really? The ultra is 5/3/0/3 and the Pyro is 5/4/0/2.5 Roc3 is 5/4/0/3. It's not that straight mid like a Pathfinder or a Hex and it's not in that OS category like a Gator or an Anvil/Justice. What am I missing?
@skatterbug I threw champ roc3’s for years and never once considered them overstable🤷🏽♂️ straight to slightly stable, but if I threw them on anny they definitely weren’t flexing back and hyzering out. I’ve always thought the 0/3 turn and fade of a roc3 was not accurate. All that being said discs are gonna fly different for everyone 🤷🏽♂️
@@broderic Fair. Since it came out I've heard that the Ultra is Birdies Roc3, but everything is subjective. I'd still probably recommend a Roc3 to most people in the stable slot over some of the other suggestions being made.
@ the RISE would be birdies roc3. But yeah roc3 is one of the best discs ever made. I do know the modern roc3 is more stable then the ones from the McBeth era
@@MrYaDiggg I actually did a video on it and bagged it a couple months back. Solid approach disc but more overstable than I’d like unless the wind is strong
I’d send you a dm but I don’t do social media. So this is my version of asking for that frisbee club stamped beauty.. I currently only have an orange on orange pyro that is too hard to see in the fall so I’m tossing the runway but I like the pyro better. I’m throwing with the 2024 hutch open winner and a few others this Saturday.. he’s got my contact info if ya wanna sell it to me.
U gotta try Scott Stokelys brand! I don’t putt with his putter because I need a bead but the 2 other discs he has the cardinal and the owl are absolutely money. The plastic is great.
Bad take after bad take honestly, and just like the MVP discs in your bag I'm outta here at end of this endeavor. MVP is the most popular brand right now, why stop?
@broderic I mean as a TH-camr I'd think you'd want subscribers and viewers but idk. I guess throwing discs that have been out for what seems like 50 years isn't the way to go.
This is exactly why we like Brod though. If you get it, you get it. If you don’t, there are plenty of people out there catering to popular opinion, fishing for views with dynamite. 🧨🤷
Brod. I’m a TH-cam snob & your content slaps.
The slow light music fade in?! Chefs kiss.
And idk your vibe is contagious. Much love man, please come hand with me in Indiana 🤷🏻♂️
@@mhoovair89 appreciate that man, glad you enjoy 🤝
Definitely agree with the vibes. Feels like I’m hucking plastic with one of the boys watching Brod’s videos.
Discmania MD4.. its a bit bigger diameter but feels like an MD3. Flies straight with a good hookup and fade at the end of the flight. I'd love to see how it flies for you.
You’re missing the best overstable mid - a DGA Quake.
Yes yes yes (SP line is my favorite because it's flatter)
@@D_HansYes! Mine is a little puddle topped so it has a perfect place to put your thumb on forehands.
@@RichKent i totally forgot the quake. That’s actually what got replaced by the ultra 🤝
DGA quake was the first thing that came to mind when I saw the vid.
Gotta be the Quake. I got 2 of the Parker Welks. Great on backhand and forehand 🤘🏻
The pyro is top tier
Recently I picked up a streamline runway… it’s so similar just fades a bit harder. Great for more technical shots.
Bakerview - I love that little park! Full of fun chip shots! I have ended up with a Loft Silicon in that slot.
Also just got my flat top firebird in the mail, got a white one with red foil, looks DOPE! Been playing glow disc every night cuz it's dark when I'm out of work, excited to see how it actually flies in the daylight this weekend. Feels good in hand though!
How RocX3 compares to these and md4?
I got into throwing the Roc3 recently, but it can get straight if you're not careful. I've been collecting a bunch to find the right ones. Just picked up a Pyro as well. And I have a Buzzz OS for certain holes that I know it's good for.
Absolutely loving my 2024 European Open prototype metal flake C-line MD4, so reliable! Would love to see it battle the Ultra
Been throwing the DD verdict in this spot since 2016. I've got a nice beat in 2021 lucid-x one that does exactly as your describing, light turn reliable pushy fade.
Yeah I love the verdict! They seem straight with sweeping fade instead dumping fade. Love it. Best mid for clean forehands too.
I'm throwing a Culprit for that spot in a bag. I have a lucid-x Verdict as well, but never bagged it. Proton Matrix is close to Verdict in flight for me and closer in rim shape to Culprit & Zone OS which I bag both.
Ive thrown both and believe me, the mint disc taco is the best forehand/backhand
The Legacy Badger is my go-to. I prefer the opaque plastic to the translucent
Those are beeeffff
Streamline Runway feels and flies the best IMO
Im still rocking the midnight flier stamp quake and i love it.
Also got my brodbird in a couple days ago and man it is MONEY. Perfect replacement for my PFN star now that winter is coming in MN 🤝
@@josephkebbekus5780 exactly bro, put my PFNS away so they don’t shatter and gonna break in the brodbirds
Bakerview has some fun safari style layouts! Great for testing out discs and enjoying chill park style rounds.
My arm speed in ~55 and I live at altitude. I can hammer on a neutron hex or fission reactor and not flip them. No need for a pyro unless really windy.
Very true if at elevation 🤝
Archive? The mango is also much less beefy than the numbers indicate, the distortion is also more faster for me than the 4 ,but i use the pyro forehand and the ultra or distortion backhand .
The Pyro Will Always have a place in my Bag I'm Learning to forehand and seeing you throw makes me want to give it a try I've always given forehand shots the Isaac Robinson treatment in just throwing a backhand anyway. But your content is making me want to step it up and add a forehand to my throws.
have you tried the quake? another good pushy overstable mid. I had a PL (proline) but I think theres a plastic more OS than that
Totally forgot to mention the quake. Thats the disc the ultra replaced 🤝
The Mint Taco/Remix Gladius (same mold) seem to fit this bill nicely too.
Those have beads? I think. I can’t stand for handing beaded mids but I think the stability would be similar
@@broderic ahh, they do have beads, but flight-wise I think they are very similar.
@@broderic try the mint discs bobcat then! No bead and made by MVP
Q & A question…is the Trail really that good or is it just the latest overhyped disc? An in-depth analysis would be cool, comparing to different molds from other companies, etc. Thanks Brod, you rock!
Love and bag both of these. I find i forehand the ultra and back hand the pyro more.
Old school Innova made C-Line MD4 is my go-to pushy OS mid. Little deeper than the Ultra, but I don’t really forehand my mids - I usually prefer the Toro. Love it for what I wanted the BuzzzOS to be tho
Love my Pyro. Even at beating the crap out of it for over 2 years, it is still reliable. If anything, it pushes a little further before fading now. I know I can trust it 100%
@@billherrera6386 exactly. Thats why this category is so good. Gets better with time🤝
Mine is 3 years old now and it's so glidey but what nobody talks about is the consistent skip it has. It always has the jump stop on all surfaces where a zone pig and Toro might just stick
@@JoshJackson13 yep. I just wish they would make a Proton Soft to match my Deflector
@@billherrera6386 the soft probably won't have that consistent skip. My glow envy is pretty soft and it never skips
The Bard from westside and guava from clash are both incredible in this slot
Try the Crux from Thoughtspace!
Would be fun if you tried the Lat64 Anchor. Like it a lot. All the best mate. 👍
When I first got a pyro I had been playing for only a month and my noodle arm having ass couldn’t even use it. But now, after a year of improvement and seasoning the pyro it’s straight money.
Yea I love my Pyro, you can power up n down on it and it'll fly the same, that's why it's so good..
everything everybody has said about the quake is true, but you seem like the kind of guy who needs to wake up and smell the trilogy roses: the verdict is soooo nice
@@andreww.9326 I threw the verdict for years and think it’s a great disc. That being said, it doesn’t fall into this category. It’s less overstable🤷🏽♂️
@@brodericpyro > quake
Runway is money. I like it more than the Pyro, beats in a bit faster too but stays in that sweet spot for a really long time.
Terminal Velocity Ursus is an amazing overstable mid. I bag a Pyro and an Ursus. The Pyro is straighter and the Ursus is very overstable but still has forward push to it when you smack it. Ursus is very flat and feels great on the sidehand.
Threw my Deflector out over the water and it dove straight in after hooking up. Just bought a Pyro, hoping it'll make the trip back to shore easier 🤣
I really like the toro. Star toro to be exact. It gets some push, definitely some fade but it has some good skip. I use the pig if I want the same flight but need it to stick
Been waiting on this 🤝🤣 Love em both, switch em in and out of the bag often 🤷♂️
Would like to see you compare the Pyro to a MD5
in the gym range = once I’m in the gym, I’m in range
Crux, is a freshy from ThoughSpace that is in the category, 5, 5, 0, 2 but starts a tick more OS than that. People say its just a Bobcat 🤷
I’ll take that pyro when you are done with it!!! Dibs!!!
So from my own experience with a good buddy that throws the Gator and Ultra. In comparison My Pyros will skip more, we're the Gator and Ultra will grab more. (Only a few holes do we have grass near the green, mostly dirt and roots.
In the winter I pull out a beat up Patent Pending Eclipse Deflector winter sparkle SE.
Dga quake is the go to OS pushy mid in my bag. It feels in between both the ultra and pyro for me
I’ve been loving the new discmania md4
Pyro's have been hard to find, so I ended up going with the Swarm
Alright bud, good to see ur channel growing. Yea might be alittle on the slow side but hey ...it's a long ride. Keep plugging man....
I think I know what you censored 😂
Ultra has been a staple and hard for me to even consider replacing with anything other than another ultra 😎
Kotuku and EMac truth are my favorites. They aren’t quite that 3 fade, but I find the Kotuku to have very reliable fade. EMac doesn’t exactly fight wind how you’d expect, but still a great disc
Have you tried a Verdict? Was the OG Truth mold and similar handfeel to an EMAC but more overstable.
Verdict was a great disc but they didn’t want to name it the “Truth” because DD felt that should describe a true-straight midrange. So they tweaked the mold to make the Truth. Then Emac signed and wanted something that could handle power and was more stable. Made the EMAC Truth. So Verdict, Truth, Emac all feel similar in hand but fly different.
@ Don’t think I have. Could be something I look out for
i'm curious... have you thought about disc review or challenge with somebody who regularly bags the disc you are reviewing? i'm newer to your channel since the mvp bag change... you have mentioned your bias, and i would guess that it comes out in your throwing as well...
DGA Quake is what I bag for that slot
Forgot to mention that. It’s what got replaced by the ultra🤝
@ 🤝
My beat up blue sunset ultra is one of my favorite discs all time and hope to never lose it’s so flat maybe a tick concave. I bought another only it’s not nearly as flat unfortunately can only get online. Brod knows 👌🤝
random question, but what do you think of the Discraft Drone?
Great backhand disc and the esp flx ones from back in the day are classic, but it might be one of the worst feeling forehand discs ever😂
Apologies if you've explained this...but why do you putt left handed? Seems like you're a very good putter regardless
I have a seasoned neutron pyro and a newish prism proton pyro. The neutron pyro is $$.
actually, nothing beats in more beautifully than the old Ghost from Legacy
Prism neutron for me is a bit more overstable. My prism proton is pretty straight with subtle finish.
Gotta throw the Runway!!!
Yea the DGA Quake is the boss in this category
Another one is the eric oakley ursus it actually is like a further just as stable pyro tbh.
I have a few pretty beefy DD verdicts and one that’s pretty beat in. They’re great but the pyro kicked them out of the bag. Still, maybe something worth trying out for that slot.
Been waiting for this one. Ultra is ❤
I'm an ultra guy. Hasn't disappointed me.
@@justinsimpson9892 you get it🤝
I have really enjoyed the Pine (VIP) from Westside
I have found the prism proton flies way straighter than my prism plasma
Dynamic Verdict or Justice?
Verdict is definitely less stable and justice is waaaay more OS
Grab a tsa crux. I like the nebula aura over the aura. I'm going to grab a soft ethos and see how that does.
MVP matrix it will never leave my bag
No love or mention of the Roc3?
A Star Roc3 is money all day.
Not even close to the same category. But yes great disc
Really? The ultra is 5/3/0/3 and the Pyro is 5/4/0/2.5
Roc3 is 5/4/0/3.
It's not that straight mid like a Pathfinder or a Hex and it's not in that OS category like a Gator or an Anvil/Justice.
What am I missing?
@skatterbug I threw champ roc3’s for years and never once considered them overstable🤷🏽♂️ straight to slightly stable, but if I threw them on anny they definitely weren’t flexing back and hyzering out. I’ve always thought the 0/3 turn and fade of a roc3 was not accurate. All that being said discs are gonna fly different for everyone 🤷🏽♂️
@@broderic Fair. Since it came out I've heard that the Ultra is Birdies Roc3, but everything is subjective.
I'd still probably recommend a Roc3 to most people in the stable slot over some of the other suggestions being made.
@ the RISE would be birdies roc3. But yeah roc3 is one of the best discs ever made. I do know the modern roc3 is more stable then the ones from the McBeth era
Good cinema 🎥
Method in C-Line plastic or MD4
Discraft maltas are pretty nice I throw a joker in this slot though it’s a 4 speed.
the teebird of Mids.
Gateway prophecy is a really good mid for that slot
MVP reactor is the best
Definitely a different category of stability. Much straighter unless at elevation I’d say🤷🏽♂️
your damn right it is, that’s why I like it
My noodle arm uses an Eclipse Reactor for this slot but one day I’d like to graduate to one of these discs.
You ever throw a wasp or Malta?
Inside or outside elbow tendonitis?
@@allenheineck2359 inside. Bicep down into the big tendon that runs through the pit of the elbow
Supreme fugitive
U need to try a mx2 it's like a gator from innova pretty good over stable midrange
surprised you haven't tried the Quake - it's filthy in this slot
@@FreshMattyJ i totally forgot the quake. That’s actually what got replaced by the ultra 🤝
@@broderic IVE BEEN EXPOSED
How do we get a Frisbee Club hat? Would spend money on! Holla!
Gateway Warrior
Gotta try a quake
I bag a beat up star Roc X 3 in that spot
I carry a Discmania Method for this slot.
If you're not keeping that Pyro, hook me up I love Pyros.
Holy early
Doomsday Crisis is a fucking monster brother. Give it a try
@@MrYaDiggg I actually did a video on it and bagged it a couple months back. Solid approach disc but more overstable than I’d like unless the wind is strong
MD4 maybe?
I’d send you a dm but I don’t do social media. So this is my version of asking for that frisbee club stamped beauty.. I currently only have an orange on orange pyro that is too hard to see in the fall so I’m tossing the runway but I like the pyro better.
I’m throwing with the 2024 hutch open winner and a few others this Saturday.. he’s got my contact info if ya wanna sell it to me.
Westside Anvil.
Lucid Ice EMAC Truth
Streamline Runaway
no Roc3???
@@asdfghjkl4278 roc3 is not in this category of disc, much much straighter
@@broderic oh yuuup, just was curious since it is similar flight numbers.
U gotta try Scott Stokelys brand! I don’t putt with his putter because I need a bead but the 2 other discs he has the cardinal and the owl are absolutely money. The plastic is great.
Another similarly pushy disc is the DD Verdict. But, unfortunately, it's very domey =/
Anyone else not really bag this slot? I just rip my zones close to 3 hundo.
I know you hate trilogy but how isn't the verdict in consideration?
@@chadverhey9044 not the same category. Less stable. I threw the verdict for years, it’s one of the best trilogy discs ever made.
@@brodericI can see that I like how the verdict gets a slight flip up and them side hands
quake is the best by DGA... not even a competition
MD5 better
Bad take after bad take honestly, and just like the MVP discs in your bag I'm outta here at end of this endeavor. MVP is the most popular brand right now, why stop?
@@ThePlanetNamik lol I don’t enjoy throwing mvp. Why would I continue?
@broderic I mean as a TH-camr I'd think you'd want subscribers and viewers but idk. I guess throwing discs that have been out for what seems like 50 years isn't the way to go.
@ but enjoying my time while disc golfing and creating content is the way to go.
@@broderickeep doing this. Love your vibe and fluid throws!
This is exactly why we like Brod though. If you get it, you get it. If you don’t, there are plenty of people out there catering to popular opinion, fishing for views with dynamite. 🧨🤷
Dm'd you for that Pyro 🫣 take my money plz