in tarot, the justice arcana actually represents a challenge to the questioner! as in if you're doing a tarot reading and you get the justice card, it means that you're going to face some kind of trial. in that way akechi really fit the card
There is a difference between the fool and a wildcard. Akechi is a wildcard, like Joker, allowing him to have more then one persona however Akechi's actual Arcana is still Justice.
So no one is going to point out the musical significance of this song? I don’t see any comments mentioning it, but the violin that plays throughout this song (specifically the first time it starts playing) is actually Tokyo Daylight-the song that plays while you’re in society. The importance being that this song, a representation of everyday life and society, is being twisted and changed into Shido’s own vision.
I did the whole palace in a single day and I could barely hold out with my meager SP(No SP item either) and then fucking Pancake shows up with his second phase.
I was really disappointed that Akechi didn't become a permanent party member. Not because I liked him, but because the little dance he did after an all-out attack made me giggle.
I loved the fact that Akechi wonders why does he lacks what you have and the team just outright tells him, man, you're incredible, we only defeated you with numbers
I wish it had different dialogue if you did the battle solo. I know there's different dialogue between Futaba and Sae for the casino boss, but not sure about anything else.
At first, I went in knowing Akechi wasn’t good. I grew soft, but then 11/20 rolled around and I dropped my love for him. But then, the boss battle happened and I spent half an hour crying, because I felt so close to him, I felt like we were counterparts.
I love how it's impossible to see akechi's all out attack splash screen in this palace yet it being used as this video's image is still relevant to the palace
Well, aside from P1, where it's partially the case (Snow Queen Quest has Nyx, SEBEC quest has Nyarlathotep but his involvement only in these events really show up in the P2 duology only, so you don't confront him in the first game), yes, it's always a God that's behind the events of every Persona game. So personally, I thought it was obvious Shido wasn't the last dungeon. Also Mementos. With how P3 treated Tartarus, Mementos was bound to be the actual final dungeon.
Persona in a nutshell: If there's a corny or goofy character who is non-playable or playable near the end of the game and has a name end with a I, heavy chances that they might be the protagonist 's enemy.
When levelling up the justice confidant, you never gained his confidant abilities meaning he was special in some way. Also, the fact that it only levelled up via story and not interaction meant he was tied to the plot in some way. That's how i figured it out
@@instantpurple1282 I don't remember exactly because I tried it maybe a year ago, as far as I remember it's greyed out and doesn't actually do anything like if you try to use a smart bomb or something like that outside of battle. I think I still have a save file around Shido's palace so I'll go through again to make sure (I'm playing Royal now but I doubt that would make any difference)
@@instantpurple1282 Alright I just made it back to the Akechi fight. Goho-Ms are greyed out in the thief assist menu, attempting to use them from either the thief assist menu or the tools/materials section of the regular items menu will give you a red text box similar to the one you get while trying to use calming aroma at 0% palace security, but instead of saying "Using this will have no effect." it says "You cannot use this now.", I would assume the same goes for Vanilla but I can't say for sure.
Akechi is the personification of the old writing advice "make your villain a hero who went down the wrong path." He COULD have been a hero, had he made different decisions, had he not let Shido manipulate him and not gotten so caught up in his quest for revenge. Both he and the Phantom Theives work for justice, but the Phantoms work for justice for everyone while Akechi was caught up in seeking his own personal justice, even if it meant denying others theirs.
This theme definitely gave off the feeling that you HAD to push through. I also love when you turned into mice how they had the same idle motions as the human forms.
Am I the only one who found this song to be really depressing? To me, it meant almost the end of the journey (as it literally was). I just kept sighing during the entire dungeon and remembering when I started the game.
I wish Akechi stayed with us a bit earlier on and longer instead of one palace tbh it would've created a bigger impact when /that/ time came since you've both come through so much, leveling up together, clearing palaces, hanging out, and more. I also feel this way about Haru since I wasn't really able to get to know her character much (busy grinding and prioritizing important social links) since she did appear pretty into late game. These two had so much potential tbh
Massakre8492nd But I think Akechi wasn't supposed to be a twist because the game doesn't try to hide it very well, in fact it beat you over the head with it. At the beginning they tell you you were ratted out, Akechi's confidant is automatic unlike the other party members, he wasn't on phantom thieves side from the start but then did a bit of a 180 to help us, he conveniently saw Okumura get merked and "survived" the "killer" when nobody was there, and how he joined and the whole time he was with the party was extremely Ake- I mean sketchy. I still like him though the traitor guy always get all the cool shit in any game.
Gps1337 i never excluded a option of him being red herring, i disliked him as soon as his first apperance as "handsome boy", they never get a scene like that and become unimportant, a bit of persona trope
This is hands-down my favorite Palace theme and possibly even my favorite track from the entire OST. They absolutely nailed the theme and atmosphere - an epic yet melancholic sail towards ruin, really fitting. It's a pity the track's so short.
This theme. A lot of people say they see this as the theme where they're mice, but I saw what was outside the ship. A world filled water so high that sky scrapers are barely above the water. Buildings red. An endless voyage across the never ending sea
whaaaat how could that POSSIBLY be akechi in the picture??? that could be ANY joe in a red bird mask and brown mid length hair... and who says hes a phantom thief??? yeesh all of teh assumptions youtube commenters make...
All jokes, memes and spoilers aside, the thumbnail is actually fairly deceptive when you consider what Akechi's shared about himself up to this point. Akechi's surprisingly cynical, doesn't think much of politicians and even admits in the meeting before joining you that a part of him wants to get back at adults. It's fairly clear that the handsome and charismatic detective persona is just a mask he wears even before November 20, and he has more in common with the party than they realize at first.
Mortiphasm My thoughts exactly, I believe after his boss fight that's something Goro realized himself. Another interesting tidbit about his Finishing Touch, not only is it ironic because he's hiding the truth from the other Phantoms, but from himself as well-deep down he did start to care about the party but he didn't want to admit it.
it's like I keep saying Akechi never hated joker. he even wished that they met a few years ago and they could of been good friends. it's just he was hellbent on getting revenge on his father it's like what ken says in persona 3 "I was consumed by hatred"
@@TorraShinjiro17 He was very adamant that he was the one to take down his father aswell, so joining Joker wasn't a choice. He had an inferiority complex so he had to prove that HE could do it, and that HE didn't need anyone's help.
I like how they included Akechi in some artwork (Steelbook Outside, Game Start Screen). But if you pay attention he's not on for example the Steelbook Inside, and the Opening video.
Stupidly enough, the thing that actually had me suspect Akechi was when winning a battle with Akechi as a teammate if you catch him quickly enough, he'd do a heroic pose only to then snicker away rather villainously in the background... After that I stopped using him stripped him of all his gear sold it and then waited for the inevitable betrayal
LunaticThinker You got it all wrong he respects waman by giving them mental shutdowns because nothing says I respect and appreciate you like triggering a cognitive collapse and a psychotic mental shutdown which inevitably causes death
No matter how many times I play through this game. The moment that big ass door shuts after *that* fight and you cant go back....and only progress forward. Knowing what transpired there continued to weigh as heavy as it did the very first time I ran through it.
Really? Speaking purely of literature/games, his character needed redemption to regain the player's sympathy. It felt a bit forced to me, especially considering that (a) I never trusted him, (b) he felt too much like Adachi.
@Ceci Madpuppy I have so much sympathy toward Akechi. He's a confused and grieving child, he was exploited for power. You really have to be heartless to say you didn't feel any emotion at all.
I was convinced that Shido's Palace was the end of the game, the multi-phase fights with Akechi and Shido along with this amazing music, I was quite shocked that Mementos was the true final dungeon.
i was actually kind of confused, while playing the game i realized that there must be something else pushing people into these states of pure evil with no sense of how many damage they are causing to other people, then i realized we are literally fighting corrupted versions of their targets in the metaverse, and the fact that "personas" are literally being represented by actual gods and demons which makes it literally so fucking obvious, then i saw my brother playing the persona 4 ending and realized, yup there it is, this big eye thing was controlling a***hi
This palace was so damn good. So many rooms to explore, crazy strong enemies, lots of boss fights and this awesome track playing. Oh and these random mice passages, I loved them.
you mean bad frustratingly long, difficult enemies that come out nowhere and can one-shot you if you're not prepared, mouse puzzles that mean instant death if you're spotted, and don't get me started on the Cleaner...
@@GiordanDiodato Let 'em have their opinion. I for one loved everything about it, other than that last "maze" thing before you needed to backtrack for the Cleaner fight. I feel like you were just seriously underleveled if you were getting one shot. I only got one shot when I got hit by Mapsiodyne technicals, but that was on Merciless, where technicals have a 3x damage mod.
little spoil the strange fact is the only persona character who have the same fate are the seiyu of kira(goro) and asran (protagonist persona 3) of gundam seed
I love this track way too much It just feels so despairing yet elegant at the same time And almost inspiring in a way It’s just It just leaves me with a sense of dread every time I listen to it It’s sad but amazing
[spoilerish] idk if its intentional or not, but the blood the shadow spills kinda covers the "un" part of "uncovering" so without Akechi's hand it reads "My sole interest is covering the truth" which we realized, was Akechi's plan all along
Shido's Palace has to be my favourite. this theme is immaculate, the rat maze was really fun, Akechi's fight hitting very hard with his Royal confidant, getting the five letters of recommendation was pretty cool, the boss fight having both the instrumental and regular Rivers in the Desert (and that 1v1 with Shido and Ren), it's all perfect.
I absolutely LOVE this game! The characters, the plot, the philosophical subtext... And oh god the music, that acid jazz soundtrack is the score to my summer 2017. This one especially feels so nostalgic, as if something is coming to an end, yet eagerly optimistic as if looking towards a better future and things to come.
*SPOILERS* I honestly wish that Akechi turned good in the end. I loved his character from the start up until the reveal that he was the traitor. I had a feeling he was from the start but choose to stay in denial. But when the battle against him started and they talked about how he could still change I got the hope that they would manage to change him for the better. But that hope was crushed once he was killed by himself. For the sake of revenge on a man so cruel he used his own son to kill his opponents and throw him away once he was done.
He kinda does turn good at the end, he sacrifices himself so the party can confront Shadow Shido. Remember he knows the PTs won't kill him, only make him admit his crimes, this was not Akechi's goal.
Well, it was kind of obvious that Adachi was the killer in the original P4. Maybe when Persona 5 Platinum comes out, Akechi's story will be a little better.
That feel when you accidentally leave finishing this palace too late cause you wanted to max Haru's s. Link. Then you pretty much have to do the entire dungeon in one day with dwindling resources. Only to obtain the final letter of reccomendation and think you're safe and then immediately crap your pants when pancakes start flying... God this game was a journey.
I know!! When I first saw it I legitimately doubled over with my hand over my heart because it was just too cute for me. Everytime he did that little hop and kick I couldn't help but giggle like an idiot. I honestly can't bring myself to hate him. Despite everything he's done, he's still a very interesting character, which just proves the absolute genius that is Persona's writing
I love how his whole look (and that of the Robin Hood persona) is such an exaggerated parody of heroism that it loops back into looking mildly sinister
It’s the final ultimate trial against the guy who’s been pulling the strings the whole time, they have an epic animated cutscene that shows Shido’s twisted outlook in grand fashion, and the music is fittingly intense. And then like half of the palace is you waddling around as a derpy defenseless little rat.
Was watching a video tour of a cruise ship I'll be going on soon, and this song kept playing in my head throughout that tour lmao It's why I'm taking my Joker amiibo along with me
The scale of the ship, the gorgeous background, the race against Shido, the fight against Goro, this amazing music.... this was easily the best part of the game story wise
'waahh wahhhh mommy and daddy didn't give Akechi enuf love oh booo hooooo' Try: father being absent entirely, and mother literally dead from the burden and shame of your very existence. Try: being tossed around the institutional system (not even foster homes) from a young age like a hot potato. Try: having literally NO one to rely on for your formative years. Try: being caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net, as you are forced to dance in their palm. Try: not being able to escape once your missions spiral into a nationwide conspiracy. Try: being trapped into a vicious cycle of addiction to praise on top of that, as a child very deeply deprived of it. Try: not degrading a character's motives to the most basic understanding just because they're wrong.
Jacks - Akechi didn't get "caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net". Akechi is the one who went up to that person and said "hey, I got a power that can help you reach your goals". Considering who he was offering his powers to, he knew very well that it was going to end up in nationwide conspiracy. And he wasn't "trapped" in a vicious circle. Akechi was patiently waiting for his father to finally get the position he dreamed of just so he could deny him that position by triggering a mental shutdown in him. How about you TRY: not finding pitiable excuses to a character who is clearly on the brink of psychopathy just because he had a difficult childhood? If anything, you're the one twisting Akechi's motives just so you can defend him. Kinda like a real-life lawyer who tries to defend a serial killer because "his terrible childhood is what caused his behavior", as if that was enough reason to kill people.
I love this OST because it's a complete aggressive contrast to Naoto's dungeon theme because in my head canon both OSTs represent someone's own self justice, Shido's is a lot more aggressive and almost military-esque, while Naoto's theme is a lot more lighthearted and sounds like genuine problem solving, they also sound instrumentally similar
Akechi's my favourite character, so I was hyped when he joined the party. So hyped, in fact, that I went and decked him out with the best items money could buy at the time, and headed out to mementos to level us up a ton. So, uh, I ended up pretty disappointed.
I didn't think the dungeon was that long- it felt like the right length for a climactic endgame dungeon, especially when you think of it as five sections- one for each VIP.
I'm currently going through Shido's palace and holy fuCK is this song hitting me hard. I've never been genuenly intimidated by music before. Like my heart starts pounding faster everytime it plays
Yeah this track is beautifull. It has a vibe of determination, nostalgia and is reminding me that the adventure is coming to an end. I also love the fact that "ark" is a reference to Shido's ship and can also be thought as a story "arc". I haven't finished the palace, but I expect more of the plot will be unravelled. This game has such a wonderfull soundtrack!
@@utryshy2608 I also like how the motif calls back to Tokyo Daylight, that's so clever. It may take a minute of listening to it to catch it, but it's there
I love how the final dungeons all have a similar feeling to them (Magatsu-Inaba, Tartarus Block 6, and Shido's Cruiser) it always makes the tone feel climatic
surprised nobody's commented about how Ark is literally how Shido thought of himself as noah, and the others as animals aboard his ark, being those chosen by a representive of god to board.
![Persona 5 Royal OST - Take Over [Extended]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gqFXJGTUeZE/mqdefault.jpg)
![Persona 5 OST - Price [Extended]](/img/n.gif)
I can't believe I bought Akechi's best equipment and he didn't pay me back when he left the group. What a jerk.
He litterally fucking died lmao
@@octorust3215 r/woooosh
@@aubreyholdinggun r/wooosh I was joking too
@@octorust3215 r/wooosh And that was my joke's punchline.
@@aubreyholdinggun r/wooosh I said that because it's an awful joke.
I will forever associate this theme with being a goddamn rat.
hahaha same here xD
Yep...
What a perpawsterous association!
@@soey98 Ugh, Go to hell Inari...
damn rat
i'll sue
"Your nails are fabulous"
"Oracle, my ad-mice is that we should proceed carefully."
"..."
"Oracle, I said my ad-mice..."
"Go to hell Inari"
Were you born on a farm, Inari - That joke was corny
Oh yeah I remember that lol
This is prepawsterous , or something like that
Prosqueak carefully
This is beary tough- oops wrong game
" Personaaaaughhkkh " - Goro Akechi 2017
Naj K you gotta love the voice crack in his mid psychotic scream of summoning his persona.
Naj K how dare you. Goro is a good boy
+i want to put pitou's ears in my mouth no, he's a bad boy, he killed Futabas mom, and I'll... I'll... I'LL NEVER FORGIVE THEM!!!
COME FORTH, LOWWWKEYYYYYY
Renko Usami ____'__
I personally loved that Goro Akechi didn't represent true justice but rather personal justice. Very unexpected and interesting use of Arcana.
I didn't notice his personal justice. His reasons were really awful and forced.
in tarot, the justice arcana actually represents a challenge to the questioner! as in if you're doing a tarot reading and you get the justice card, it means that you're going to face some kind of trial. in that way akechi really fit the card
He's Light Yagami. No kidding.
I thought he was the fool like Joker and only got his justice persona because of him?
There is a difference between the fool and a wildcard. Akechi is a wildcard, like Joker, allowing him to have more then one persona however Akechi's actual Arcana is still Justice.
So no one is going to point out the musical significance of this song? I don’t see any comments mentioning it, but the violin that plays throughout this song (specifically the first time it starts playing) is actually Tokyo Daylight-the song that plays while you’re in society.
The importance being that this song, a representation of everyday life and society, is being twisted and changed into Shido’s own vision.
Dope
Beautiful, but I think none of this makes me hate it less because of that shitty map and rat transformation
Thats what I thought
Joker to Akechi: Honey I'm home
And I'm dead
Im probably r-word but in what way. I've listened to both and I don't hear it.
*Beats the Cleaner and leaves without healing feeling safe* OH BOY WAS I WRONG!
Wesley Darnell "Onward to the safe room!" Or so we thought.
I did the whole palace in a single day and I could barely hold out with my meager SP(No SP item either) and then fucking Pancake shows up with his second phase.
Yes! Yes, this!
+NinjapowerMS Thank god for the 30 master coffees that Kawakami made for me xD
It doesn't help that that fight was one of the hardest before fighting the traitor.
Ah yes, Ryuji and his plan to sneak into the pool area. Operation Babe Hunt continues.
Kubz Scouts, I assume.
did you get that from kubz scouts?
Babe Hunt was from Junpei, not Jay.
My sole interest is to correct people.
I’m sorry-
Operation babe hunt ULTRA EDITION
Operation babe hunt 2
Electric bogaloo
Akechi: "WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT I DON'T?"
Joker: "The power of Friendship and this Gun I found."
Joker has *P A N C A K E S*
No, he bought it from a sketchy gut downtown, along with some cat sweaters and a nice whip.
@@TweekMorgan4dictator actually Ryuji gave him the gun when they go into Kamoshidas palace, Joker just buys new ones from Iwai
Joker has people that love him
"I have this thing called the DLC"
Are the Phantom thieves JUST?
Justice IS the Phantom Thieves!
better than the cops
QUE ES FANTOM THIEF?
anon: "this place went to shit real quick"
Heck, I still don't even think they're *REAL*.
I was really disappointed that Akechi didn't become a permanent party member. Not because I liked him, but because the little dance he did after an all-out attack made me giggle.
Michael Nicholls
IT'LL BE A MASSACRE!
*styles all over the enemy*
wtf
I’ll kill them, with STYLE!
The little kick before the twirl gets me everytime lmao
big ham
I loved the fact that Akechi wonders why does he lacks what you have and the team just outright tells him, man, you're incredible, we only defeated you with numbers
@Brigade Leader Haruhi Suzumiya epic gamer moment
l obliterated his ass solo with satanael lol
Yeah.. Just for numbers...
I wish it had different dialogue if you did the battle solo. I know there's different dialogue between Futaba and Sae for the casino boss, but not sure about anything else.
@@LSqre
Wait what ! What dialouge change if you beat sae alone ?
MY SOLE INTEREST IS TO ENJOY DELICIOUS PANCAKES.
Dan Grepo RIP pancake boy, you will be missed
Excuse me Mr. Spoiler
Anon: AKECHI IS BAE !!!
Ritokure Akechi is...dead. Damn...
In b4 the spin-off retcons.
The only other time Akechi opens his mouth that wide is when he's eating some delicious pancakes.
Alexander Walsh Or screaming bloody murder.
Kitani Aishunキタニ・アイシュン What is it? Looks like you've seen a ghost...
Kitani Aishunキタニ・アイシュン Hey, me too! Just had them this morning, delicious.
I thought someone said something about delicious pancakes
@@coffeecat3001 I did. Didn't get to eat one this day though, everyone ate them all.
I started off hating Akechi's Character. Then I liked him, then I hated him, and then I liked him.
Kyros Kharnerus your profile image fits the comment a lot
Kyros Kharnerus he kills himself
During my second play through everytime I saw him I wanted to punch him and hug him at the same time
At first, I went in knowing Akechi wasn’t good. I grew soft, but then 11/20 rolled around and I dropped my love for him.
But then, the boss battle happened and I spent half an hour crying, because I felt so close to him, I felt like we were counterparts.
he and the protag are supposed to be fated rivals/counterparts :') Like I love him but he doesnt need to be in my party, BUT he also needs to live.
Ｉ ＨＵＭＢＬＹ ＲＥＱＵＥＳＴ ＴＨＡＴ ＹＯＵ ＶＯＴＥ ＦＯＲ ＭＥ， ＭＡＳＡＹＯＳＨＩ ＳＨＩＤＯ
TO CREATE A FUTURE WHERE THE YOUTH CAN BE HOPEFUL AGAIN
BLARE BLARE
"""""HUMBLY"""""
@@ZebraOnYourNose """""""REQUEST""""""""
PTSD
"Damn rat, I'll sue!"
*Phantom Thieves actually turn into rats*
"...damn rat-"
Actually Shido says: Damn brat ..I'll sue (with a b) 😜
“This is prepawsterous!”
@@natelecarde962 Oracle: 😐😠
raticulous...
I mean it IS mentioned that he sees everyone beneath him as pests
“This is certainly a prepawsterous situation. Or... something like that.”
Yusuke Kitagawa, 2016
“Go to hell, Inari.”
Futaba Sakura, 2016
“My admice would be to pro-squeak cautiously”
Yusuke Kitagawa, 2016
Inari
@@mylem6234 "......"
"Oracle, my ad-mice would be-"
"I believe she heard you the first time."
I love him so much lmao
From "My sole interest is uncovering the truth" to "I decide the truth"
Royal gang
@Akira Kurusu “I decide that I should eat delicious pancakes”
@@legendarytat8278 Pancakes are good, 10x as good with melted butter.
from "My sole interest is to eat delicious pancakes" to "I never want to hear that word again."
Exactly. It makes sense since "the truth" is what he sets it up to be, so he does decide the truth.
Is there any way that you could get the audio of Shido talking shit? It just doesnt feel the same.
AND TO MAKE THAT NATURAL COURSE OF ACTION A REALITY
I HUMBLY ASK THAT
YOU PLEDGE YOUR VOTE TO ME
MASAYOSHI SHIDO
Blankbox you mean the lyrics right?
Yeah
Blankbox It's almost like he's rapping along in that indistinct yet rhythmic way.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A POLITICIAN?
I love how it's impossible to see akechi's all out attack splash screen in this palace yet it being used as this video's image is still relevant to the palace
It's delicious pancakes, don't disrespect it
Well he is a Boss in the Palace
@@Gas-maske yeah but it’s not like he All Out Attacks you
@@failure4452 that would be funny though
This just screams "final dungeon", and it really seemed like it would be.
Spoilers
I knew it wasn't because there's always a god behind the shit that happens in SMT games (and its sister games)
except persona hasn't seen much SMT feature before P5. P5 resembles too much of SMT Nocturne.
nekochen Glad it does. Maybe more people will try out other SMTs and realize their brilliance (usually)
And like all the persona games have a god behind them?
Well, aside from P1, where it's partially the case (Snow Queen Quest has Nyx, SEBEC quest has Nyarlathotep but his involvement only in these events really show up in the P2 duology only, so you don't confront him in the first game), yes, it's always a God that's behind the events of every Persona game. So personally, I thought it was obvious Shido wasn't the last dungeon. Also Mementos. With how P3 treated Tartarus, Mementos was bound to be the actual final dungeon.
Persona in a nutshell: If there's a corny or goofy character who is non-playable or playable near the end of the game and has a name end with a I, heavy chances that they might be the protagonist 's enemy.
if his name starts with an A and end with a CHI and he is somehow a detective or a assistant of a detective beware
Damn. Ryuji, Adachi and Akechi. You never see it coming. Although I knew he was the traitor ever since Justice Rank 1
@ SuperFusionAJ93 he's one of my many masks
When levelling up the justice confidant, you never gained his confidant abilities meaning he was special in some way. Also, the fact that it only levelled up via story and not interaction meant he was tied to the plot in some way. That's how i figured it out
Mari?
Fun fact: You can't use a GoHo-M to skip the Akechi fight because life is unfair and the only thing Akechi loves more than pancakes is making me cry
Wait, I’ve never thought of using Goho-M. What happens if you try?
@@instantpurple1282 I don't remember exactly because I tried it maybe a year ago, as far as I remember it's greyed out and doesn't actually do anything like if you try to use a smart bomb or something like that outside of battle. I think I still have a save file around Shido's palace so I'll go through again to make sure (I'm playing Royal now but I doubt that would make any difference)
@@smoothcryinghotdog6208
I mean it’s anticlimactic for it to just be greyed out, thanks for answering my ape brain question though.
@@instantpurple1282 Alright I just made it back to the Akechi fight. Goho-Ms are greyed out in the thief assist menu, attempting to use them from either the thief assist menu or the tools/materials section of the regular items menu will give you a red text box similar to the one you get while trying to use calming aroma at 0% palace security, but instead of saying "Using this will have no effect." it says "You cannot use this now.", I would assume the same goes for Vanilla but I can't say for sure.
@@smoothcryinghotdog6208 Ok, that’s actually interesting, thanks!
Akechi is the personification of the old writing advice "make your villain a hero who went down the wrong path." He COULD have been a hero, had he made different decisions, had he not let Shido manipulate him and not gotten so caught up in his quest for revenge. Both he and the Phantom Theives work for justice, but the Phantoms work for justice for everyone while Akechi was caught up in seeking his own personal justice, even if it meant denying others theirs.
tell that to all the people he drove to psychosis
Wasn't he fated to be against Joker anyways? (Lavenza says this at one point)
Great comment
@@PlayerN101 bc of the Holy Grail's meddling, yeah. Akechi was doomed from the start (part of my list of reasons Crow is his perfect codename)
@@loserhero1982 they are.
This theme definitely gave off the feeling that you HAD to push through. I also love when you turned into mice how they had the same idle motions as the human forms.
just realized that Joker's all out attack background is Akechi's but broken down with bullet holes.
Robin Hood is basically the inverse of Arsene when it comes to weakness and strength.
And i love how Crow dances like Michael Jackson for a bit during his all out attack background
No, Joker's is a shot-up black star shape. I do not see that star anywhere in Akechi's .
@@demi-femme4821 lmao are you blind
Just like Akechi!
Am I the only one who found this song to be really depressing? To me, it meant almost the end of the journey (as it literally was). I just kept sighing during the entire dungeon and remembering when I started the game.
Jhoner D'Lamarck fear not! for new game plus is here!
Grant Hodgson Finished 2nd play through a couple of weeks ago :(
Jhoner D'Lamarck fear not! new game plus is here yet again!
Felt the same way. Why couldn't I pay rent to have Sojiro adopt me! XD
Your comment made me laugh more than it should have.
I wish Akechi stayed with us a bit earlier on and longer instead of one palace tbh it would've created a bigger impact when /that/ time came since you've both come through so much, leveling up together, clearing palaces, hanging out, and more. I also feel this way about Haru since I wasn't really able to get to know her character much (busy grinding and prioritizing important social links) since she did appear pretty into late game. These two had so much potential tbh
So you wanted akechi to be an evil version of arithe (I forgot how to spell her name)
I feel the same but overall, for the story, it did well.
i hated him second he appeared, never used him in battle, his dialogue toward protagonist was too much ass kissing, shady af
Massakre8492nd But I think Akechi wasn't supposed to be a twist because the game doesn't try to hide it very well, in fact it beat you over the head with it.
At the beginning they tell you you were ratted out, Akechi's confidant is automatic unlike the other party members, he wasn't on phantom thieves side from the start but then did a bit of a 180 to help us, he conveniently saw Okumura get merked and "survived" the "killer" when nobody was there, and how he joined and the whole time he was with the party was extremely Ake- I mean sketchy. I still like him though the traitor guy always get all the cool shit in any game.
Gps1337 i never excluded a option of him being red herring, i disliked him as soon as his first apperance as "handsome boy", they never get a scene like that and become unimportant, a bit of persona trope
Me: *Buys best lightsaber for Akechi*
Akechi: Leaves
Also Akechi: *fights me with the strongest weapon I bought him*
Me: Ah, shit
"it's a trap"
-Admiral Akbar
Others: Oh shi-
Me who was damn near weakened from a single run of the entire palace: LEROYYYYY JENKINS
Me too buddy me too
I never use akechi lol
Cause usually my party is over-levelled, and wayyyyy ahead of him
@@MamaTrixxieAsmr I used him because I like Akechi.
This is hands-down my favorite Palace theme and possibly even my favorite track from the entire OST.
They absolutely nailed the theme and atmosphere - an epic yet melancholic sail towards ruin, really fitting. It's a pity the track's so short.
100% agreed
You can't really beat Sae's Palace Theme but Shidos is definitly my second favourite one.
COME ON LETS ROLE THE DICE
Taxifahrer Philendrium give into temptaaaaatiooooonnnmm
But yeah. Both themes are really good.
and a pity that it plays in the worst dungeon
@@GiordanDiodato are you meaning to tell me that okumura's palace was not the worst?
or do you mean worst as in hardest?
"This is prepawsterous! ...Or something like that."
PTp1ranha "Go to Hell, Inari!"
yusuke always gives the best ad-mice
They are aware of Teddie's un-BEAR-able puns.
shut it inari
Yusuke: *Terrible pun*
Teddie: *Attempts and fails to crack knuckles*
I gave Akechi all of his best equipment, a good accessory, and the highest defense armor. WOW AKECHI WOW
Thank for the gift you dickhead
Ng+
And I still wiped the floor with him
@@totallynotaferret still hurts
My Level 80 Black Frost: you've hee'd your Last ho!
the biggest danm hallway i ever seen
Honestly after the bullshit of the dungeon prior to this one I didn't mind the more breather approach to this one.
Leo Howler Yeah, at least it was a maze where I could actually see where I was going.
*_*CONFUSED SCREAMING*_*
Actually no, the longest hallway prize goes to Final Fantasy XIII. Most of the game is one giant hallway. But those bloody mouse traps...
You want a long hallway? That fucking pyramid bro
I humbly ask that you cast your vote for me! Masyoshi Shido!
How about no?
if you grow some hair, then yes.
Let us all set sail towards a happy future, together! I hope to continue serving you all!
MR WORLDWIDE
Painis in your ainis.
This theme. A lot of people say they see this as the theme where they're mice, but I saw what was outside the ship. A world filled water so high that sky scrapers are barely above the water. Buildings red. An endless voyage across the never ending sea
A depressing but oddly beutiful sight
That monkey on your profile is adorable
Spoiler in the thumbnail, but who didn't expect akechi becoming a phantom thief? He's on the boxart with the other party members
He's also in the start menu with his mask on
and when you boot up the game on the PS4 his all-out attack portrait is there with the rest of the cast.
its not about him being a phantom thief, its the fact that hes one of the main villains
What are you talking about all he wants to do is discover delicious pancakes.
whaaaat how could that POSSIBLY be akechi in the picture??? that could be ANY joe in a red bird mask and brown mid length hair... and who says hes a phantom thief??? yeesh all of teh assumptions youtube commenters make...
This theme makes you feel like this is the last real hurrah for the Phantom Thieves. It has that "this is it" feeling to it.
then god
Best therapist
@stxrrynight.Depending on if you meet the criteria for said ending
@stxrrynight.And multiple spinoffs.
Sigh, I miss Akechi. He may have been an asshole but man was he fun to use in battle.
Same
Worry not, we get both him AND Loki in Persona 5 Royal.
@@brandoncain yay
I oftentimes forget to bring a Persona with bless-based attacks, so it was very nice to bloody have some ready thanks to him
M Y S K I L L S E X C E E D Y O U R S!
All jokes, memes and spoilers aside, the thumbnail is actually fairly deceptive when you consider what Akechi's shared about himself up to this point. Akechi's surprisingly cynical, doesn't think much of politicians and even admits in the meeting before joining you that a part of him wants to get back at adults. It's fairly clear that the handsome and charismatic detective persona is just a mask he wears even before November 20, and he has more in common with the party than they realize at first.
Mortiphasm My thoughts exactly, I believe after his boss fight that's something Goro realized himself. Another interesting tidbit about his Finishing Touch, not only is it ironic because he's hiding the truth from the other Phantoms, but from himself as well-deep down he did start to care about the party but he didn't want to admit it.
it's like I keep saying
Akechi never hated joker. he even wished that they met a few years ago and they could of been good friends. it's just he was hellbent on getting revenge on his father it's like what ken says in persona 3
"I was consumed by hatred"
@@TorraShinjiro17 He was very adamant that he was the one to take down his father aswell, so joining Joker wasn't a choice. He had an inferiority complex so he had to prove that HE could do it, and that HE didn't need anyone's help.
@@pezdispencer113
yea true but still I think akechi is still a tragic villain
@@TorraShinjiro17 yeah, but he's also a total psychopath.
This game changed my life, I feel like hearing this song makes me relive those memories and emotions I felt in my first playthrough.
We’re still here in 2024 , you’re a legend ! 😊
Let me tell yall, listening to this while on an actual cruise ship is incredible
I wanna go on a cruise ship one day just so i can listen to this song while staring out at the sea
This is the most ship sounding song of all time.
Oohhhh describe the experience
(runs Up to a Guy and rips His Theater Mask Off)
SHOW ME YOUR TRUE FORM!
I like how they included Akechi in some artwork (Steelbook Outside, Game Start Screen). But if you pay attention he's not on for example the Steelbook Inside, and the Opening video.
I don't.
I knew he was the culprit from the start, thanks to the Take Your Heart Edition inside box.
Stupidly enough, the thing that actually had me suspect Akechi was when winning a battle with Akechi as a teammate if you catch him quickly enough, he'd do a heroic pose only to then snicker away rather villainously in the background... After that I stopped using him stripped him of all his gear sold it and then waited for the inevitable betrayal
but... he's the best party member, even if you get him for a very short period of time
But. He is standing on the station platform in the main menu
MY SOLE INTEREST IS RESPECTING WOMEN
And give them mental breakdowns.
Respek Wahmen!
LunaticThinker You got it all wrong he respects waman by giving them mental shutdowns because nothing says I respect and appreciate you like triggering a cognitive collapse and a psychotic mental shutdown which inevitably causes death
Unless if she's a *THOOOOT.*
Simp
No matter how many times I play through this game.
The moment that big ass door shuts after *that* fight and you cant go back....and only progress forward.
Knowing what transpired there continued to weigh as heavy as it did the very first time I ran through it.
Really? Speaking purely of literature/games, his character needed redemption to regain the player's sympathy. It felt a bit forced to me, especially considering that (a) I never trusted him, (b) he felt too much like Adachi.
basic story-telling rules: if you didn't see the body, they aren't proven dead.
Tell that Joseph Joestar
He's going to come back on Persona 5 Golden extended story
@Ceci Madpuppy
I have so much sympathy toward Akechi. He's a confused and grieving child, he was exploited for power.
You really have to be heartless to say you didn't feel any emotion at all.
I was convinced that Shido's Palace was the end of the game, the multi-phase fights with Akechi and Shido along with this amazing music, I was quite shocked that Mementos was the true final dungeon.
If you have persona 5 royal, there’s a palace that comes after mementos if you maxed certain confidants
@@hallludba Nah its just Maruki and Kasumi that need to be maxed out similarly to Marie in P4G if you wanted to access the Hollow Forest
i was actually kind of confused, while playing the game i realized that there must be something else pushing people into these states of pure evil with no sense of how many damage they are causing to other people, then i realized we are literally fighting corrupted versions of their targets in the metaverse, and the fact that "personas" are literally being represented by actual gods and demons which makes it literally so fucking obvious, then i saw my brother playing the persona 4 ending and realized, yup there it is, this big eye thing was controlling a***hi
@@Wildcard_Ninja The fact that you have to do that instead of just gaining the extra is annoying
@@Wildcard_Ninja I’ll max her confidant out for free.
One of the best girls
MY SKILLS EXCEED YOURS
"What's up, yo? Come get some!"
IT’LL BE A MASSACRE
TheFiery Elf my cousin thought he said taste my rats
Ikose Robin Hoodo
C H E C K M A T E
"My ad-mice would be to pro-squeak cautiously." -Yusuke Kitagawa, best boy
This palace was so damn good. So many rooms to explore, crazy strong enemies, lots of boss fights and this awesome track playing. Oh and these random mice passages, I loved them.
I only got this game, and just reached this point. I can't wait. I've heard SUCH great things about this palace. :^)
The Akechi fight was the highlight for me tho
And in Royal the boss fight with Shido became more epic.
you mean bad
frustratingly long, difficult enemies that come out nowhere and can one-shot you if you're not prepared, mouse puzzles that mean instant death if you're spotted, and don't get me started on the Cleaner...
@@GiordanDiodato Let 'em have their opinion. I for one loved everything about it, other than that last "maze" thing before you needed to backtrack for the Cleaner fight. I feel like you were just seriously underleveled if you were getting one shot. I only got one shot when I got hit by Mapsiodyne technicals, but that was on Merciless, where technicals have a 3x damage mod.
Goro looked like Kira far too much.
Meian 98 and he was a high school detective on top of looking like that nigga. Goro is way cuter tho
+Malfiplier Twin Brother wrong.
kira's voice actor plays...
Ryuuji.. thats right. Ryuuji. bet you didnt see that coming
The seiyuu for Akechi is the same voice actor as Kira from Gundam Seed (Destiny) while the seiyuu for Ryuji is the same as Kira from Death Note.
+Malfiplier Twin Brother ooooh! my bad my bad.. i thought you meant Kira from death note.. i didnt know of the other kira character.
little spoil
the strange fact is the only persona character who have the same fate are the seiyu of kira(goro) and asran (protagonist persona 3) of gundam seed
I love this track way too much
It just feels so despairing yet elegant at the same time
And almost inspiring in a way
It’s just
It just leaves me with a sense of dread every time I listen to it
It’s sad but amazing
Im over a year late, but I just finished the game and that description is honestly spot on.
[spoilerish]
idk if its intentional or not, but the blood the shadow spills kinda covers the "un" part of "uncovering" so without Akechi's hand it reads "My sole interest is covering the truth" which we realized, was Akechi's plan all along
Damn, I just now see that. Makes so much sense!
WOW. That’s amazing. Nice fucking find, man. Even if this is 1 year ago lol
MY SOL RESTS
U OVERI HE TRUTH.
Man..You uncovered the truth
To me it looks like it says, "My soul rests over the truth" (of course it says Sol and not soul though)
Shoji Meguro is the best-
Shido's Palace has to be my favourite. this theme is immaculate, the rat maze was really fun, Akechi's fight hitting very hard with his Royal confidant, getting the five letters of recommendation was pretty cool, the boss fight having both the instrumental and regular Rivers in the Desert (and that 1v1 with Shido and Ren), it's all perfect.
how much did atlus pay you to say the rat maze was good
This theme gives me chills every time I hear it, it does so well at reminding you that there is a lot on the line in this palace.
the final palaces are TOO DAMN LONG
This is one of the most epic and bad ass palace themes.
I absolutely LOVE this game!
The characters, the plot, the philosophical subtext...
And oh god the music, that acid jazz soundtrack is the score to my summer 2017. This one especially feels so nostalgic, as if something is coming to an end, yet eagerly optimistic as if looking towards a better future and things to come.
*SPOILERS*
I honestly wish that Akechi turned good in the end. I loved his character from the start up until the reveal that he was the traitor. I had a feeling he was from the start but choose to stay in denial. But when the battle against him started and they talked about how he could still change I got the hope that they would manage to change him for the better.
But that hope was crushed once he was killed by himself. For the sake of revenge on a man so cruel he used his own son to kill his opponents and throw him away once he was done.
Fardy Fox let's hope for persona 5 golden
@@nintonintendo1 i guess golden is not a good name for Persona 5
He kinda does turn good at the end, he sacrifices himself so the party can confront Shadow Shido. Remember he knows the PTs won't kill him, only make him admit his crimes, this was not Akechi's goal.
Well, it was kind of obvious that Adachi was the killer in the original P4. Maybe when Persona 5 Platinum comes out, Akechi's story will be a little better.
@@nintonintendo1
i got some good news for you
persona 5 royal has been confirmed
That feel when you accidentally leave finishing this palace too late cause you wanted to max Haru's s. Link. Then you pretty much have to do the entire dungeon in one day with dwindling resources. Only to obtain the final letter of reccomendation and think you're safe and then immediately crap your pants when pancakes start flying... God this game was a journey.
What if akechi grew wings and started crapping pancakes everywhere
CATALAX What if he started cloning himself
I just noticed Akechi has his left hand on the chest
He’s keeping his cards close to his chest, so to say. Very clever, ATLUS...
I always thought he had both arms up. Huh
no he has both hands up the video just cuts that part of his arm
Good eye.
Do you really expect me to look at Akechi's goofy ass face for 17 minutes and not laugh?
Literalys his all out attack pose also looks like he's serving up an invisible plate of pancakes
Literalys *cute ass face
There ftfy
A PANCAKES ! For u
I do not find it amusing
Goofy? He looks like a psychopath.
i love how they design his long nose mask indicating that he is lying..
oops spoilers
He's a jew!
Jews, Pinocchio, Heffalumps, same difference.
*Igor*
#NotMyIgor
It was written everywhere, yet i never noticed till it was too late
Tokyo daylight remix actually
Quite a good way to tell how much Shido was present in public’s minds
I liked his little dance he does with his all out attack. Akechi is my favorite phantom thief and I don't care what anyone says.
I know!! When I first saw it I legitimately doubled over with my hand over my heart because it was just too cute for me. Everytime he did that little hop and kick I couldn't help but giggle like an idiot. I honestly can't bring myself to hate him. Despite everything he's done, he's still a very interesting character, which just proves the absolute genius that is Persona's writing
I love how his whole look (and that of the Robin Hood persona) is such an exaggerated parody of heroism that it loops back into looking mildly sinister
Best palace in the game imo. Its really long but the buildup is immaculate and both the Akechi and Shido boss fights are top notch.
After the cleaner fight
“You thought there was a safe room but noooope, it’s just me, akechi!”
It's 2019 and even if P5R is out, I'm definitely holding on to this OST till I grow old, man! All the tracks are still so good!
It’s the final ultimate trial against the guy who’s been pulling the strings the whole time, they have an epic animated cutscene that shows Shido’s twisted outlook in grand fashion, and the music is fittingly intense. And then like half of the palace is you waddling around as a derpy defenseless little rat.
Pancake ex machina
Deus Ex Pancake
何？
It's kinda sad that, like akechi said, him and joker didn't meet some time earlier. Things could've been very different.
Shadow kinda groomed him into being his puppet, making me realize why people under 21 have restrictions still
Me: **Uses Goho-M to go back to the entrance**
You know who: I haven't programmed that path yet.
Was watching a video tour of a cruise ship I'll be going on soon, and this song kept playing in my head throughout that tour lmao
It's why I'm taking my Joker amiibo along with me
this is best bgm of palace sounds. I think that.
Eww.. Lyn's "vocals" are what literally ruined the casino.
JohnCaseyCB what the fuck are you talking about? The casino has easily one of the best themes in thr game
i want to put pitou's ears in my mouth I said I think. I didn't ask your favorite bgm. Shut up
JohnCaseyCB oh....I mistake I mistake.
이나리 wtf im not even talking to you fucking idiot.
Man, I just found out that Crow’s left hand is touching his chest and not up in the air like his right one...
oh my-
So far the best palace and theme!
the mere though of someone disliking this son is pre-pawsterous, my ad-mice to them is to learn more about music
LuigiLonLon Futaba: Shut up Inari.
Futaba, he said his ad-mice is...
Michael Stiles
Go to hell, Inari!
The scale of the ship, the gorgeous background, the race against Shido, the fight against Goro, this amazing music.... this was easily the best part of the game story wise
'waahh wahhhh mommy and daddy didn't give Akechi enuf love oh booo hooooo'
Try: father being absent entirely, and mother literally dead from the burden and shame of your very existence.
Try: being tossed around the institutional system (not even foster homes) from a young age like a hot potato.
Try: having literally NO one to rely on for your formative years.
Try: being caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net, as you are forced to dance in their palm.
Try: not being able to escape once your missions spiral into a nationwide conspiracy.
Try: being trapped into a vicious cycle of addiction to praise on top of that, as a child very deeply deprived of it.
Try: not degrading a character's motives to the most basic understanding just because they're wrong.
Exactly. Akechi is a bad person who did terrible things, but acting as though his motivation is stupid or unrealistic is just idiotic.
Jacks - You sir, have my respect.
*_*APPLAUDING*_*
True, he’s done horrible things, but I believe what you’re saying is completely correct.
@Heisenberg the Fagottini
did i at you? no, sorry.
I wasn’t referring to you.
Jacks - Akechi didn't get "caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net".
Akechi is the one who went up to that person and said "hey, I got a power that can help you reach your goals".
Considering who he was offering his powers to, he knew very well that it was going to end up in nationwide conspiracy.
And he wasn't "trapped" in a vicious circle. Akechi was patiently waiting for his father to finally get the position he dreamed of just so he could deny him that position by triggering a mental shutdown in him.
How about you TRY: not finding pitiable excuses to a character who is clearly on the brink of psychopathy just because he had a difficult childhood?
If anything, you're the one twisting Akechi's motives just so you can defend him.
Kinda like a real-life lawyer who tries to defend a serial killer because "his terrible childhood is what caused his behavior", as if that was enough reason to kill people.
I love this song, but I actually like the Piano version in one of the areas as much.
Soma Oni yeah
I love this OST because it's a complete aggressive contrast to Naoto's dungeon theme because in my head canon both OSTs represent someone's own self justice, Shido's is a lot more aggressive and almost military-esque, while Naoto's theme is a lot more lighthearted and sounds like genuine problem solving, they also sound instrumentally similar
This and Sae's palace are the only ones that I walked slowly in consistently, both to blend in and to enjoy the music.
The part where you turn into a rat was cute af like:
O
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*poof*
🐀
@@BlazeStar00 GO TO HELL, INARI!!!
I hated that
@@legitboy809 I said my ad-mice is...
rät
Akechi's my favourite character, so I was hyped when he joined the party. So hyped, in fact, that I went and decked him out with the best items money could buy at the time, and headed out to mementos to level us up a ton.
So, uh, I ended up pretty disappointed.
Well yes he doesn't stay with them for too long but hey at least he joins you again in the last Palace
Rip
@@cal8040 royal moment
The rat mechanic was unique...but fucking annoying
Jeigo Lim that was the only reason that this ended up being the longest fucking dungeon. Jesus it took me all day to finish
It overstayed its welcome and this dungeon needed its length cut in half.
this might be a little late, but I might be able to give a bit of... admice to fix your troubles.
Thank you Inari. We heard you the first time..
I didn't think the dungeon was that long- it felt like the right length for a climactic endgame dungeon, especially when you think of it as five sections- one for each VIP.
I'm currently going through Shido's palace and holy fuCK is this song hitting me hard. I've never been genuenly intimidated by music before. Like my heart starts pounding faster everytime it plays
Man what an underrated track. Filled with dread and suspense and perfectly fits the tone for the point in the story it plays.
Yeah this track is beautifull. It has a vibe of determination, nostalgia and is reminding me that the adventure is coming to an end.
I also love the fact that "ark" is a reference to Shido's ship and can also be thought as a story "arc". I haven't finished the palace, but I expect more of the plot will be unravelled.
This game has such a wonderfull soundtrack!
@@utryshy2608 I also like how the motif calls back to Tokyo Daylight, that's so clever. It may take a minute of listening to it to catch it, but it's there
This dungeon might be a mouse marathon, but this song made it enjoyable.
This song hits hard af.
My favourite palace theme
My favourite palace period
I like how you put the equivalent of Shinji in the dungeon he meets his demise in. Brings back bad memories.
I love how the final dungeons all have a similar feeling to them (Magatsu-Inaba, Tartarus Block 6, and Shido's Cruiser) it always makes the tone feel climatic
As others have said, Shido’s palace is the penultimate dungeon
It truly sounds like a dictator's theme,fits Shido perfectly
This is one of the very few songs that I can just listen to a loop of to and not get tired of it
Me: In a room where I'm a rat.
Enemy: Is in the same room
Me: ( *chuckles* ) I'm in danger
surprised nobody's commented about how Ark is literally how Shido thought of himself as noah, and the others as animals aboard his ark, being those chosen by a representive of god to board.
WE ARE THE TRUE WINNERS IN THE GAME CALLED LIFE
akechi's all out attack is just so extra man
*laughs in haru*
Ether Ace haru’s is arguably the best one
I liked Haru’s and Morgana’s the bests since they just sit and chill.
YarnHatter sipping tea on em
That kick he does 😭
Another detail about this palace I really love is when you are in the restaurant area the pianist is playing this song
This theme couldn’t be more relevant now if it tried.
I can finally jam to this on Spotify