Thanks, I think I'll go with the Warpriest. I play in society and won't get passed level 11, so I think that is the best choice for that style of play. (Yes I also GM and like your series for advice to players.)
First non-bot comment! Also, I love clerics and have been waiting for this video 😊 I’m currently playing a warpriest cleric in a Westmarches game right now, and she is a lot of fun to play; it is a true hybrid class with lots of versatility and less single-minded specialization, which gives her the flexibility to be the main healer when the rest of the party happens to be rogues and fighters, while also being able to switch to a pseudo-tank battlemage when the rest of the team is made up of squishies like bards and sorcerers. She just recently took the Marshal archetype so that should help her control the battle even more 😁
She sounds awesome! Marshal is an excellent archetype too! War Priest is a great switch-hitter like you said, and in that way is more versatile than the arguably more powerful cloistered cleric. I think so much of the criticism is coming from people who don't value that versatility - which is a shame, as I feel that's what 2e is all about.
Thanks for making this video. I just recently joined a PathFinder 2e game and I am the healer. You gave me some really great tips to follow. I appreciate it. P.S. Any suggestions about forums i can go to and ask quesitons about the cleric healer? i have many
i have built a warpriest cleric in pathbuilder. human(the most op race). the god is gorum, and the domain destruction..... by casting magic weapon he does 2d12 damage, at level 1. and has a 15-cone spell that does 1d12 damage to every creature in the are, at level 1. uses medium armour at level 1. at level 5 the focus spell does 3d12 aoe damage. i chose sentinel as an archetype just to be able to get heavy armour at level 2.
i have a doubt about one of the anathemas of gorum. what exactly is "indirect magic"? does that refer to ever non-attack, non-healing spell? or something else entirely? the cleric build i'm working on, relies on magic weapon(at least in the first few levels), and relies on gorum.
This is a pretty loose one that leaves room for GM interpretation. I would rule that of course, as a cleric, it probably doesn't want you to not use magic at all. Indirect magic is more like, battle field control and things that would inhibit the fight from happening. But direct attack spells,, buffs and targeted debuffs feel like things youre doing to yourself or your enemy, feel like direct magic. So using spells that don't target creatures directly would be a no-no (in combat anyway, using them outside of combat is fine by this anathema). This one seems to leave some wiggle room though, so good GM & player communication about expectations is important here.
As I have been perusing the pathfinder 2e subreddit, I came across a post asking how to improve the Warpriest and the comment that came up the most was to give the warpriest master weapon proficiency in your deity’s favored weapon at level 15. Would this work? Is there something else you could change or add?
Honestly, this wouldn't be awful, but it would make war priest a class thats as martially dangerous in melee as a ranger, rogue, or champion, and still has full spell progression (lower save DCs dont matter on buffs and healing which are a big chunk of the divine list). I'd say you need to drop AT LEAST the Font feature with that, and maybe 10th level soells too, and even then it might still border on too good. War Priest functions as-is well enough thanks to buffs. And gets downright nasty with zeal domain and Channel Smite. I would say a simpler, smaller change, like letting them choose STR instead of WIS as their class boost would be the recommended fix, this will give them +1 attack and damage. They'll still be behind other martials, but ahead of other casters. Which is a sweet spot where they belong.
Do you think we will ever get a real War Priest again? The limited spell casting, fervour using holy warrior, rather than a cleric who goes to the gym a bit.
With multiclassing or Archetypes we have plenty of options already actually. Yes, fervor is gone, but an appropriate Champion alignment aura or even a focus soell from somewhere will replicate it fine, and a Champion or Fighter base makes you noticeable more martial. But a Zeal Domain Warpriest can be pretty nasty when it wants to be! As we found out when pkaytesting the Magus.
@@CollectiveArcana tried that, sorry not a war-priest, no where near as fun, focus spells don't work., to get that played feeling back. Dedications/Archetypes are a system I do not enjoy, they just highlight how restrictive and flat class feat are, making every feat that isn't in lane gated behind at least one tax feat. It's not about dpr it's about play style, and so far nothing comes near, topping dpr with current war priest is just not a interesting,. at all, 1-9 casting kills a class for me, basically.
You said about the warpriest that after about level 14 you may find yourself regretting that you didn't pick a cloistered cleric, but RAW can't you retrain that as you can any class feature that doesn't explicitly state that you can't? I admit it's not ideal as you can't retrain ability scores, but it still seems like an option to me.
Yes that is an option! Though that is always subject to a lot of downtime (up to 4 months for a class feature) and a not entirely negligible amount of gold (could be a hundred or more over 4 months) and you may find that you want to also swap skills and feats to adjust to this new lifestyle - after all, while they have the same proficiencies, a cloistered cleric won't have the better fortitude save, shield block, etc that might make you less likely to front-line, ans render some of your other choices irrelevant, needing more downtime. All that doentime can typically be broken up up course & may not need to be taken all at once. If your game/gm is allowing you that opportunity, its a great option.
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We'd love to do a build video for this, stay tuned!
Thanks, I think I'll go with the Warpriest. I play in society and won't get passed level 11, so I think that is the best choice for that style of play. (Yes I also GM and like your series for advice to players.)
Thanks! Warpriest gets slept on because of the way the proficiencies shake out at level 20, but there's plenty of fun to be had on the way there!
First non-bot comment! Also, I love clerics and have been waiting for this video 😊 I’m currently playing a warpriest cleric in a Westmarches game right now, and she is a lot of fun to play; it is a true hybrid class with lots of versatility and less single-minded specialization, which gives her the flexibility to be the main healer when the rest of the party happens to be rogues and fighters, while also being able to switch to a pseudo-tank battlemage when the rest of the team is made up of squishies like bards and sorcerers. She just recently took the Marshal archetype so that should help her control the battle even more 😁
She sounds awesome! Marshal is an excellent archetype too!
War Priest is a great switch-hitter like you said, and in that way is more versatile than the arguably more powerful cloistered cleric.
I think so much of the criticism is coming from people who don't value that versatility - which is a shame, as I feel that's what 2e is all about.
Thanks for making this video. I just recently joined a PathFinder 2e game and I am the healer. You gave me some really great tips to follow. I appreciate it. P.S. Any suggestions about forums i can go to and ask quesitons about the cleric healer? i have many
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i have built a warpriest cleric in pathbuilder.
human(the most op race).
the god is gorum, and the domain destruction.....
by casting magic weapon he does 2d12 damage, at level 1.
and has a 15-cone spell that does 1d12 damage to every creature in the are, at level 1.
uses medium armour at level 1.
at level 5 the focus spell does 3d12 aoe damage.
i chose sentinel as an archetype just to be able to get heavy armour at level 2.
Yeah Warpriests are very good, especially at low levels!
@River Bradley does she know she's your gf?
i have a doubt about one of the anathemas of gorum.
what exactly is "indirect magic"? does that refer to ever non-attack, non-healing spell? or something else entirely?
the cleric build i'm working on, relies on magic weapon(at least in the first few levels), and relies on gorum.
This is a pretty loose one that leaves room for GM interpretation. I would rule that of course, as a cleric, it probably doesn't want you to not use magic at all. Indirect magic is more like, battle field control and things that would inhibit the fight from happening. But direct attack spells,, buffs and targeted debuffs feel like things youre doing to yourself or your enemy, feel like direct magic.
So using spells that don't target creatures directly would be a no-no (in combat anyway, using them outside of combat is fine by this anathema).
This one seems to leave some wiggle room though, so good GM & player communication about expectations is important here.
As I have been perusing the pathfinder 2e subreddit, I came across a post asking how to improve the Warpriest and the comment that came up the most was to give the warpriest master weapon proficiency in your deity’s favored weapon at level 15. Would this work? Is there something else you could change or add?
Honestly, this wouldn't be awful, but it would make war priest a class thats as martially dangerous in melee as a ranger, rogue, or champion, and still has full spell progression (lower save DCs dont matter on buffs and healing which are a big chunk of the divine list).
I'd say you need to drop AT LEAST the Font feature with that, and maybe 10th level soells too, and even then it might still border on too good.
War Priest functions as-is well enough thanks to buffs. And gets downright nasty with zeal domain and Channel Smite.
I would say a simpler, smaller change, like letting them choose STR instead of WIS as their class boost would be the recommended fix, this will give them +1 attack and damage. They'll still be behind other martials, but ahead of other casters. Which is a sweet spot where they belong.
Do you think we will ever get a real War Priest again? The limited spell casting, fervour using holy warrior, rather than a cleric who goes to the gym a bit.
With multiclassing or Archetypes we have plenty of options already actually.
Yes, fervor is gone, but an appropriate Champion alignment aura or even a focus soell from somewhere will replicate it fine, and a Champion or Fighter base makes you noticeable more martial. But a Zeal Domain Warpriest can be pretty nasty when it wants to be! As we found out when pkaytesting the Magus.
@@CollectiveArcana tried that, sorry not a war-priest, no where near as fun, focus spells don't work., to get that played feeling back. Dedications/Archetypes are a system I do not enjoy, they just highlight how restrictive and flat class feat are, making every feat that isn't in lane gated behind at least one tax feat. It's not about dpr it's about play style, and so far nothing comes near, topping dpr with current war priest is just not a interesting,. at all, 1-9 casting kills a class for me, basically.
Chirurgeon Alchemist is a better per action healer single target also so I wouls say they can give them a run for their money also
Thats true. A good alchemist can fill just about any role.
You said about the warpriest that after about level 14 you may find yourself regretting that you didn't pick a cloistered cleric, but RAW can't you retrain that as you can any class feature that doesn't explicitly state that you can't? I admit it's not ideal as you can't retrain ability scores, but it still seems like an option to me.
Yes that is an option! Though that is always subject to a lot of downtime (up to 4 months for a class feature) and a not entirely negligible amount of gold (could be a hundred or more over 4 months) and you may find that you want to also swap skills and feats to adjust to this new lifestyle - after all, while they have the same proficiencies, a cloistered cleric won't have the better fortitude save, shield block, etc that might make you less likely to front-line, ans render some of your other choices irrelevant, needing more downtime. All that doentime can typically be broken up up course & may not need to be taken all at once.
If your game/gm is allowing you that opportunity, its a great option.
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