I guess the router kept rejecting a password because the wireless card does not support newer encryption that your wifi router is using. But that's just a guess.
To test HDD/SSD speeds under linux use Kdiskmark Its basically same as CristalDiskMark. Not sure if mint has it in the repo. Also Mint Debian edition (LMDE) still has 32bit version
@@Nuwa-6X Tbh in my experience, for a few tabs, it's doable, especially with a lightweight browser like Falkon, but true, it’s still not ideal considering how bloated everything is.
i have a packard bell tk85 pew95 this chonky laptop have 2 gb ram and intel pentium p6100. and internal graphics of intel. and i said omg lemme install linux. i tried ubuntu.. not booted. i tried arch.. broke the bootmgr of win7. and lastly lmde 5 BOOTED AND İNSTALLED SUCCESFULLY AND SO FAST. but just in case still cant load firefox. instead i installed thoromium. and voila! a web browsing device. and i installed steam and played goober dash (for testing) and its 50 fps.
Both the b43 and b43legacy drivers are built into the kernel so they should load automatically. If not then you should first try to early load them before tinkering with anything else. The Arch wiki has noted issues with your card if it's Rev. 3 using b43-firmware and advise users of your card to use b43-firmware-classic or b43legacy-firmware instead. It also recommends blacklisting the unused driver so in your case b43 to avoid conflicts. Others here note a potential outdated encryption issue, you could confirm if that is the case too though I haven't seen anyone report such an issue anywhere.
You're one of the few that pronounced Mate the correct way. You said mateh, almost everybody else says mate. But if you want to try Linux on very old hardware try antiX next time or Puppy Linux. Puppy runs from the usb-stick so you don't have to install it and in RAM, so it's very fast.
Don't give up on this. I do understand why you may not want to swap the CPU, but do try to find the Intel version of that wifi card because Linux will more than likely support it (as long as the laptop doesn't whitelist). Or get a Linux compatible wifi 5 or 6 USB 2.0 adapter, which will be faster. Daisy chaining the internet connection like you have done is way too much overhead, hence the 27mbps speed; however, I understand why you did it. Try to find a 7200rpm ide drive (not Toshiba) (I know Kingspec makes ide ssds but I don't know about their reliability myself) and you should notice a speed difference. Also, the swappiness needs to be lowered to somewhere between 1 and 10 as the stock is 60 (this is somewhat advanced but should speed you up some and is well documented online on what to do). I wish you the best of luck. I enjoyed watching your video. Subscribed 😀. Also, H264ify browser extension for TH-cam.
Wow, these extensions are out for some years now and I had no clue.. Huge thanks for that Christopher.!! Obviously, if it weren't for @petabyteag 's video..!! Briefly, yesterday I set up Mint Xfce (the last release) on an old HP G5000 laptop and videos on TH-cam play astonishingly smooth! They don't make 'em laptops speakers like they used to!! Quick specs: Cpu (upgraded) T7400 -- Ram 2GB (maxed out..) -- SSD 120 GB (yep!, sata connectivity for me) Worth mentioning is the ace out of @petabyteag 's sleeve, to go with Hiren's boot CD. Few years back I had to do the same with ultimatebootcd, since there weren't other options available. ....keep on reviving old tech people, there's always a way !! 😎
Your Wireless card probably only supports WPA or even only WEP Both security standards has been compromised. If you really want to use the onboard wireless, you probaby can configure your router to use wpa (I clearly do not recommend using WEP) Set a long and complex passwort and use it as a guest network or something like that That beeing said, you might get away with an usb dongle
I have an HP mini1000 (2008) and Linux Mint 32bit was really slow as the cinnamon desktop was too much to handle . However Bunsenlabs , Bodhi and MX linux Fluxbox all worked like a charm. During install on old machine always tether your phone with a usb cable and share your phone internet so you can fetch drivers and update during the installation process.
the problem is the lack of hardware acceleration for your ati gpu. i have a thinkpad t61, and even though i have nouveau, its similarly terrible and slow on older nvidia gpus, it genuinely feels the same as if i had no 3d acceleration.
NVIDIA drivers have always been shit on Linux based systems. Open source one is worse than bad, proprietary ones, not much better. Integrated GPU support is pretty much garbage on Intel/NVIDIA rigs
Lubuntu is a nice option, it comes with LXQt desktop enviroment, so that's that, also a nice SSD would be helpful, that'll be day and night in terms of time of installation, and also change that 1Gb of RAM to truly 2Gb of RAM, and it'll work... it'll just do way basic stuff, but at least it would be functional to daily use.
Just for curiosity, did you try installing the XP drivers on the windows 10 installation? they made drivers backward compatible to XP since windows 7, as long you have the match the 32/64 bits OS :O the PLOP boot loader is so cool, i've used it on a floppy to boot USBs on an old Pentium 2 with 233 mhz, it's fun xD
For such a laptop, I'd use Q4OS with the Trinity desktop, takes 350 MB of RAM. Another option is Alpine with Xfce, takes 250 MB of RAM, but it has some dependency issues often.
It's fine, just wait until next year when the eMachine is actually 22 years old, and do the video again with 22.1. I just installed 22 Xfce on a '09 Lenovo and a '15 Toshiba.
you didn't have to reinstall or triple-boot at all. Just install the desktop environment you want in the terminal, log out, choose the DE, and bob's your uncle.
A few things to note about Socket 754: 1) No dual core support, as no CPUs with such a layout were ever released for the socket 2) No dual-channel support, and DDR(1) only 3) While still objectively better than the Pentium 4s of the same time period, 754 A64s suffered from lower FSB speeds compared to Socket 939/AM2 on the desktop side and S1, which was used for Turion 64s and other related, later chips. This, compounded with the former two issues, mean that _they're just not very quick._ In short, S754 is just... kind of mediocre no matter which way you slice it. The graphics chip is probably the one saving grace from making this system truly mediocre even for its time.
@HOBBS-4 Multiple sticks may have been possible but as far as the actual data bus between the RAM/memory controller and the CPU, 754 only supported single channel. Socket A/462 and 939 did not have this restriction.
Would be funny if you tried Haiku on it and the Wi-Fi actually worked. Or even FreeBSD. Sometimes playing with the kernel versions or going back to an older version of the distro with an older kernel can make the Wi-Fi work tho. Or just changing distro. I've encountered a similar scenario where downgrading the kernel made it work properly again. Linux Mint/Cinnamon in general is probably a tad heavy for those older XP machines. Unless they have a good GPU to make up for the other components. Linux wise, something like antiX would probably be better for the age of a computer like this really. I have that running well on an old 2008 netbook with a meagre single core 32-bit CPU.
I have this HP fd0xxx that I've been fucking around with the HDD/SSD since i messed up an install. Managed to get Ubuntu & Cinnamon-desktop OSes to work, but I've got to figure out how to get Debian things to work. (HP laptops are fine I guess but half the time the hardware compat sucks)
IDE data transfers are obviously going to be one major bottleneck (besides its CPU & GPU!), so considering it's also limited to USB v1 my guess is that your best chances for relatively fair relief might reside in some « frugal » setup hopefully featured with a RAMDisk-Only option, as from legacy-old Slax/Porteus which also used to integrate the PLoP BootManager necessary to boot from USB via a CD-ROM, e.g. just as you found out i think. This still probably won't leave much memory for the more demanding tasks, so it may help when browsing the web to go into text mode with Lynx or similar. As for performance comparisons, i vaguely recall having relied on HardInfo's benchmark via a Puppy Linux, and more recently enjoyed Geekbench available for both Linux & Windows... Perhaps an IDE/Flash adapter could have rendered "disk" swaps somewhat more convenient but i doubt it's worth the expense other than for is challenge when there are more productive ways to spend hobby time.
linux has become more modern in a way that it can recognise an ssd as a hard disk. maybe its better to get a celeron pc or laptop from 2012 and upgrade it with a sata ssd, then proceed to install linux mint 22.1 cinnamon. also mint also can recognise bluetooth peripherals as well and it will likely never work on your 22 years old potato
Hey that doesn't look too bad. Comes with Zram preconfigured (not that it's hard to set up) and Nala. I might to give it a go on my old 1.6GHz atom, 2GB RAM Asus EeePC. Also, crazy that CuerdOS comes with wayland, seems odd to have such old machines running something new like that.
PATA laptops are annoying. You know its not worth upgrading to an SSD because for just a little more than the SSD or adapter, you could buy an entire better laptop.
It just depends on what you want to use them for, I have many old laptops and just run better old software on them. To many people get mad at an old laptop not running the latest slop games or bloated websites, just keep your expectations in check and any computer will be fun to use. If you want the run the latest bloatware then you have to pay for the new hardware.
Wrong Linux. Try damn small Linux. I got that working on a 20-year-old HP laptop with 1.2gb ram (can increase that to 2 later). I got an SSD in there by using an adapter. Good luck!
I daily drive a Sony Vaio from '06 with LMDE. She works like nothing's wrong at all, despite being old enough to drink in Canada.
How much RAM do you have?What kind of applications do you use?(Just curious.)
I guess the router kept rejecting a password because the wireless card does not support newer encryption that your wifi router is using. But that's just a guess.
“Im tired, boss”
For ethernet issue:
1 Connect an android phone.
2 networking
3 share conection
4 share internet vía USB
Done.
I don’t have an android phone
To test HDD/SSD speeds under linux use Kdiskmark Its basically same as CristalDiskMark. Not sure if mint has it in the repo.
Also Mint Debian edition (LMDE) still has 32bit version
You should lower your Wi-Fi encryption. Probably laptop's Wi-Fi card doesn't support new encryption techniques.
Perhaps, but I have no control over the WiFi settings in my house so that wasn’t an option
It's time for Alpine Linux.
Or antiX and Puppy Linux.
Or MX Linux
Alpine or AntiX are lifesavers on underpowered machines, though maybe not for navigating the bloated web of today.
@@Nuwa-6X Tbh in my experience, for a few tabs, it's doable, especially with a lightweight browser like Falkon, but true, it’s still not ideal considering how bloated everything is.
Video should've been 22:22 long
🤣🤣
10:40 - The two most top mirrors have the same connection speed as we used to have at our apartment up until a year ago lol
I used till September 2024 my OLD Acer laptop 17 years old 😊
Now hot Toshiba 10 Years old 😊
LMDE has a 32 bit version
i have a packard bell tk85 pew95 this chonky laptop
have 2 gb ram and intel pentium p6100. and internal graphics of intel. and i said omg lemme install linux. i tried ubuntu.. not booted. i tried arch.. broke the bootmgr of win7. and lastly lmde 5 BOOTED AND İNSTALLED SUCCESFULLY AND SO FAST. but just in case still cant load firefox. instead i installed thoromium. and voila! a web browsing device. and i installed steam and played goober dash (for testing) and its 50 fps.
... and it's pronounced "MAH teh", like the green tea we drink in Uruguay
weird how you ran linux mint on a 22 year old laptop around the same time i ran linux mint on a hp probook 8470p
EMachines made a laptop?
I'm not surprised that it works. If you could plug a toaster into the internet there is a Linux version out there that will run it.
old computers like that i use Q4os
Q4Os my beloved (It was my first experience with linux and was really useful to introduce me to linux lol)
Put a Compact Flash card with an IDE adapter instead of your traditional hard drive, it will solve most of your performance issues.
I suspect it would cost more to buy a 128 GB CF card versus just buying a newer used laptop with SATA support and installing a regular SSD.
Both the b43 and b43legacy drivers are built into the kernel so they should load automatically. If not then you should first try to early load them before tinkering with anything else. The Arch wiki has noted issues with your card if it's Rev. 3 using b43-firmware and advise users of your card to use b43-firmware-classic or b43legacy-firmware instead. It also recommends blacklisting the unused driver so in your case b43 to avoid conflicts. Others here note a potential outdated encryption issue, you could confirm if that is the case too though I haven't seen anyone report such an issue anywhere.
You're one of the few that pronounced Mate the correct way. You said mateh, almost everybody else says mate. But if you want to try Linux on very old hardware try antiX next time or Puppy Linux. Puppy runs from the usb-stick so you don't have to install it and in RAM, so it's very fast.
Don't give up on this. I do understand why you may not want to swap the CPU, but do try to find the Intel version of that wifi card because Linux will more than likely support it (as long as the laptop doesn't whitelist). Or get a Linux compatible wifi 5 or 6 USB 2.0 adapter, which will be faster. Daisy chaining the internet connection like you have done is way too much overhead, hence the 27mbps speed; however, I understand why you did it. Try to find a 7200rpm ide drive (not Toshiba) (I know Kingspec makes ide ssds but I don't know about their reliability myself) and you should notice a speed difference. Also, the swappiness needs to be lowered to somewhere between 1 and 10 as the stock is 60 (this is somewhat advanced but should speed you up some and is well documented online on what to do). I wish you the best of luck.
I enjoyed watching your video. Subscribed 😀.
Also, H264ify browser extension for TH-cam.
You can also get a m.2 ssd to ide caddy, not nvme.
Wow, these extensions are out for some years now and I had no clue.. Huge thanks for that Christopher.!!
Obviously, if it weren't for @petabyteag 's video..!!
Briefly, yesterday I set up Mint Xfce (the last release) on an old HP G5000 laptop and videos on TH-cam play astonishingly smooth! They don't make 'em laptops speakers like they used to!!
Quick specs: Cpu (upgraded) T7400 -- Ram 2GB (maxed out..) -- SSD 120 GB (yep!, sata connectivity for me)
Worth mentioning is the ace out of @petabyteag 's sleeve, to go with Hiren's boot CD.
Few years back I had to do the same with ultimatebootcd, since there weren't other options available.
....keep on reviving old tech people, there's always a way !! 😎
@@KostasTsakiris You're welcome. Glad I could help 😀.
@@christopherdecker3830 The best help I could get for this hot potato 😋
The USB adapters run faster then the old wifi cards.
Your Wireless card probably only supports WPA or even only WEP
Both security standards has been compromised.
If you really want to use the onboard wireless, you probaby can configure your router to use wpa (I clearly do not recommend using WEP)
Set a long and complex passwort and use it as a guest network or something like that
That beeing said, you might get away with an usb dongle
My windows 11 laptop will be a Linux laptop when I find it. My old HP Z440 still runs 10. It's old but powerful.
I have an HP mini1000 (2008) and Linux Mint 32bit was really slow as the cinnamon desktop was too much to handle . However Bunsenlabs , Bodhi and MX linux Fluxbox all worked like a charm. During install on old machine always tether your phone with a usb cable and share your phone internet so you can fetch drivers and update during the installation process.
Bunsenlabs is actually not a bad choice for an older rig
try out MX Linux 21 for 386. You'll probably have to do the same twiddling with the network drivers, but the base install might perform better.
the problem is the lack of hardware acceleration for your ati gpu. i have a thinkpad t61, and even though i have nouveau, its similarly terrible and slow on older nvidia gpus, it genuinely feels the same as if i had no 3d acceleration.
NVIDIA drivers have always been shit on Linux based systems. Open source one is worse than bad, proprietary ones, not much better. Integrated GPU support is pretty much garbage on Intel/NVIDIA rigs
Did not have most of these issues on a desktop rig because of the integrated GPU situation
I had this same problem installing Debian on my ThinkPad T40, it couldn't even run Doom.
AntiX or Puppy, or Q4OS, or Peppermint.
peppermint is trash. i would rather run windows 98 instead
Antix works for me.. installed the Snes emulator Zsnes.. 😂 laptop is an HP 2000, old AMD APU dual core.. 4 gb ram.. 500 gb hdd.. very old..
Anyix and Puppy will work well, but you may have to but a USB Wifi adapter that works on Linux. These old Wifi is the Pits.
antiX does generally work with some absolutely ancient rigs, I can vouch.
@@danteerskine7678 It used to be very good until Mark Greaves the main developer died in 2020.
Lubuntu is a nice option, it comes with LXQt desktop enviroment, so that's that, also a nice SSD would be helpful, that'll be day and night in terms of time of installation, and also change that 1Gb of RAM to truly 2Gb of RAM, and it'll work... it'll just do way basic stuff, but at least it would be functional to daily use.
Try fedora lxqt? Had it going on a 20 laptop without issues. Seconding the ide to cf adapter. Compact flash is dirt cheap now.
Just for curiosity, did you try installing the XP drivers on the windows 10 installation? they made drivers backward compatible to XP since windows 7, as long you have the match the 32/64 bits OS :O
the PLOP boot loader is so cool, i've used it on a floppy to boot USBs on an old Pentium 2 with 233 mhz, it's fun xD
i’ve already tried both XP and vista drivers, neither of which worked
For such a laptop, I'd use Q4OS with the Trinity desktop, takes 350 MB of RAM. Another option is Alpine with Xfce, takes 250 MB of RAM, but it has some dependency issues often.
It's fine, just wait until next year when the eMachine is actually 22 years old, and do the video again with 22.1. I just installed 22 Xfce on a '09 Lenovo and a '15 Toshiba.
you didn't have to reinstall or triple-boot at all. Just install the desktop environment you want in the terminal, log out, choose the DE, and bob's your uncle.
Oh i’m aware. I just thought it was funnier to do it the way I did
capooo, mandale un locos por linux, capaz ahi te levanta mas fluido la maquina!
Wine gaming would be so much fun on these but idk if opengl would be enough for it lol
A few things to note about Socket 754:
1) No dual core support, as no CPUs with such a layout were ever released for the socket
2) No dual-channel support, and DDR(1) only
3) While still objectively better than the Pentium 4s of the same time period, 754 A64s suffered from lower FSB speeds compared to Socket 939/AM2 on the desktop side and S1, which was used for Turion 64s and other related, later chips. This, compounded with the former two issues, mean that _they're just not very quick._
In short, S754 is just... kind of mediocre no matter which way you slice it. The graphics chip is probably the one saving grace from making this system truly mediocre even for its time.
Some of the laptops beck then had the Ram in 2 different areas. I had a Toshiba like that.
@HOBBS-4 Multiple sticks may have been possible but as far as the actual data bus between the RAM/memory controller and the CPU, 754 only supported single channel. Socket A/462 and 939 did not have this restriction.
@@AliceC993 yeah, you're right.
dude USBFlashDrive part of removable devices
Would be funny if you tried Haiku on it and the Wi-Fi actually worked. Or even FreeBSD.
Sometimes playing with the kernel versions or going back to an older version of the distro with an older kernel can make the Wi-Fi work tho. Or just changing distro. I've encountered a similar scenario where downgrading the kernel made it work properly again.
Linux Mint/Cinnamon in general is probably a tad heavy for those older XP machines. Unless they have a good GPU to make up for the other components. Linux wise, something like antiX would probably be better for the age of a computer like this really. I have that running well on an old 2008 netbook with a meagre single core 32-bit CPU.
Haiku is great but I wouldn't use it as a bare metal install because it has literally ZERO security
I just bought a Dell E5420 for $45 that is set to get Mint 22.1 XFCE.
This thing could be running USB 1.1....which is abysmally slow
Thankfully it has USB 2.0
I'd expect even 1.1 is too optimistic.
I have this HP fd0xxx that I've been fucking around with the HDD/SSD since i messed up an install.
Managed to get Ubuntu & Cinnamon-desktop OSes to work, but I've got to figure out how to get Debian things to work.
(HP laptops are fine I guess but half the time the hardware compat sucks)
IDE data transfers are obviously going to be one major bottleneck (besides its CPU & GPU!), so considering it's also limited to USB v1 my guess is that your best chances for relatively fair relief might reside in some « frugal » setup hopefully featured with a RAMDisk-Only option, as from legacy-old Slax/Porteus which also used to integrate the PLoP BootManager necessary to boot from USB via a CD-ROM, e.g. just as you found out i think.
This still probably won't leave much memory for the more demanding tasks, so it may help when browsing the web to go into text mode with Lynx or similar. As for performance comparisons, i vaguely recall having relied on HardInfo's benchmark via a Puppy Linux, and more recently enjoyed Geekbench available for both Linux & Windows... Perhaps an IDE/Flash adapter could have rendered "disk" swaps somewhat more convenient but i doubt it's worth the expense other than for is challenge when there are more productive ways to spend hobby time.
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linux has become more modern in a way that it can recognise an ssd as a hard disk. maybe its better to get a celeron pc or laptop from 2012 and upgrade it with a sata ssd, then proceed to install linux mint 22.1 cinnamon. also mint also can recognise bluetooth peripherals as well and it will likely never work on your 22 years old potato
mmmmmm new flavour
Try CuerdOS Linux, It runs on intel atom n455 which are shitty processors
puppy linux is lighter
Hey that doesn't look too bad. Comes with Zram preconfigured (not that it's hard to set up) and Nala. I might to give it a go on my old 1.6GHz atom, 2GB RAM Asus EeePC.
Also, crazy that CuerdOS comes with wayland, seems odd to have such old machines running something new like that.
Interesting experiment. I use LMDE on my older laptops. AntiX, MX Linux and Q4OS also work well on older machines.
Please try Bodhi, Puppy , Zorin , Damn Small Linux on that before it dies completely and let us know!
YOU CALL THAT LOUD??????
that- okay i probably need to clean the fans on my laptop but that's not loud for an old laptop at all imo
Nah, i just use 21.1 xfce with i hope, good thinkpad edge 13 later (just bought this day and maybe arrive in 4 day)
22.1 is literally 22 with tiny changes.
which is why I didnt re-record anything. I just felt it was necessary to clarify it
Maybe remove the desktop enviroment and install an light Window Manager will make it a little bit "less bad" 😮 😂😂
PATA laptops are annoying. You know its not worth upgrading to an SSD because for just a little more than the SSD or adapter, you could buy an entire better laptop.
It just depends on what you want to use them for, I have many old laptops and just run better old software on them. To many people get mad at an old laptop not running the latest slop games or bloated websites, just keep your expectations in check and any computer will be fun to use. If you want the run the latest bloatware then you have to pay for the new hardware.
emachines you say? more like ewaste (kidding!)
Nowadays theyre ewaste
Nowadays they're almost non-existent outside of storage units
@@neilpatrickhairless i think emachines stopped existing in like 2013 or something
Tp link
>:3
>=3
Antix linux
Wrong Linux. Try damn small Linux. I got that working on a 20-year-old HP laptop with 1.2gb ram (can increase that to 2 later). I got an SSD in there by using an adapter. Good luck!
I stuck Linux Mint light on my 2009 Dell PC desktop.