I agree with both of you about that first young man... He still has some things he needs to be corrected on and I think Cliffe did good, but gentle job of doing so.
First guy is so intelligent. The way he constructs his words and his humbleness to learn from another person shows that. I hope he finds what he's looking for
What Cliff does so well is answer with "gentleness and respect." It is obvious that this is a labor of love for him, and those he dialogues with listen patiently because he first listens patiently to THEM. Lord, teach us to not focus on winning arguments, but winning people.
I love Anthony :) He is discussing and not getting angry or anything! Thank The Lord :) I like him a lot! He had good points as well. I hope he finds Jesus :)
Cliffe is very humbly, and is really doing the work we are all called to do as follower of Jesus Christ. God bless him and thank you Heavenly Father for using him to show your amazing character. I love to watch him and I have learnt so much, from watching him. Whether we admit it or not we all want there to be a supernatural being that is ultimately good and wants to save mankind from ourselves.
I feel the same way about him coming to Charlotte and I feel like I would be able to help his purpose, but in reality, I would probably do more to mess it up! LOL
@@JohnSmith-db2wl Feel better now? And you seem to unaware that questions can be statements, which is the case here. Why ARE you here? Go live out your pathetic, little life without worrying about God. Remember, He’s just a “fairytale.” No need to waste your time on things that aren’t real. Yet, here you are trolling. What are you fishing for here? What do you want to accomplish? Go.
Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
God wrote his laws on our hearts.... I love how cliff pulls in the crowds. People can not deny there is something pulling them towards Christ. It is there sin, the lust for self satisfaction, the lack of knowledge of Christ that keeps them away.
I have a problem with the second guy's comments. First, he said that he is a Christian. Second, he said that he doesn't like being associated with Christianity. Third, he believes that Christians are hypocrites. Fourth, he want's to know what God's will for his life is. He is basically saying that he is a Christian but doesn't feel he needs to be a part of the body of Christ because Christians are hypocrites and spending time with them will stigmatise him as being a partaker in Christianity. So, here's a biblical response to his claims, which I believe are errors, that I see given to us in God's word. He said he hates going to church on Sundays, no Christian can separate himself from the body of Christ, by choice, and be a true believer. To choose to separate himself from the body of Christ is to hate the brethren and not love them (1 John 2:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:12-26). To not want to be associated with Christianity is contradictory with the very being of a Christian and what Christ has called us to, this is sin as we should be honoured to be called a Christian (Mark 8:38). He refutes his own statement by saying that Christians in churches are hypocrites. He clearly falls flat in his own hypocrisy by not obeying Christ's commandments of loving the brethren and being kind and caring to one another (Ephesians 4:32, 5:21, Hebrews 10:25). Finally, he wants to know God's will, but how can someone who disobeys God's word in regards to fellowship with the brethren and being associated with biblical Christianity BE in God's will?! They cannot be in God's will if this is the case (Luke 6:46, 1 John 3:10) and I would have thought that Cliffe would have called him out on these things or at least probed a bit at his heart. This guy's soul doesn't sound like it's in a good place before The Lord Jesus. We should pray for him. God bless :-)
@@lengboss1 Religion is expressing a belief in a supernatural deity. Not going to church but still worshipping a deity is still practicing religion. We need to do corporate worship not because everyone worshipping is good, but because God is good and we need His goodness and want to share it with others. We need to stop believing other people around us should be perfect before we can worship God with them. We aren’t any better than the other people who come to church and worship God.
I am happy to see something raised about Free Will and love, for if we did not have Free Will, we really could not demonstrate love. I say that because Love would then no longer be a choice. If we are "hard-wired" to perform or act a certain way, it really would no longer be a conscious decision. If you kept a lover locked in a room, who only loved you because you fed him/her, then the choice is really more about living. If God allows us to live outside of four walls, only if we worship and love Him, we could certainly go through the motions too. God knows the heart, and the only way to really love is through making a conscious decision to do so; it is only by Free Will.
+Raymond Griffin Fallen man is still free to choose what he desires, but because his desires are only wicked he lacks the moral ability to come to Christ. As long as he remains in the flesh, unregenerate, he will never choose Christ. He cannot choose Christ precisely because he cannot act against his own will. He has no desire for Christ. He cannot choose what he does not desire. His fall is great. It is so great that only the effectual grace of God working in his heart can bring him to faith. If a man is truly born again it should be easy to observe this. Evidence or information does not make one born again.
8:52 -- Skinny boy says: "I think it's something that we need to arrive at ourselves; it's not something that you should just accept from others." I say: "Then keep your mouth shut and let everyone arrive at it ourselves." Also, if nobody asserted and enforced morality through legislation, then murder, rape, and theft would all be legal, and life would be a horrible mess for everyone all over the world. 10:20 -- Skinny boy says: "There is no objective morality that we can absolutely establish." I say: "That is obviously just your subjective opinion, and is therefore not objectively true." In short, his theories are silly, thoughtless, and ignorant.
The first guy doesn’t believe God, he actually believes man can create the objective morals. Man can’t create objective morals because man is inherently unrighteous. Objective morality has to come from a very righteous being and that is God. Man does good but man isn’t righteous.
Of course there's hypocrites in some churchs, all those people in church had to come from outside to get insides also hypocrisy is a human thing not a church thing. Wherever Humanity goes sin comes with them.
What!? No mention of the Holy Spirit!? He will guide you and cause you to remember Jesus's words! He will give you direction especially to Gods purpose! Jesus said WATCH (pay attention) and PRAY (intimacy with God) ref. Matthew 26:41. That is key. The bible also says search the "scriptures for in them you think you have life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39 Those hypocrites need to be born again, or baptized in Holy Ghost and FIRE! ref. Luke 3:16)
I trust you do understand that all who comment with an opposing viewpoint to Cliffe are not necessarily god/Xtianity/religion haters. Many are in an honest dialogue in a search for truth. For example, Cliffe goes on about Abe Lincoln's honesty at the end, yet he has posted videos with parts edited out wherein he is made to look pretty bad. In fact, he's edited out arguments where his opponent has revealed falsehoods promoted by Knechtle. Google "Cliffe Knechtle 10/42 apologetic" and look at the link to the Celsius blog that shows up. Similar dishonesty can be found in Strobel's books, McDowell's and other apologists. I don't hate God, but I do not like the lying these guys get away with to promote their convictions.
lol You assume that I assume. I literally mean the comments that are "f**k god and f**k any ignorant person who believes this c*&k and his words"... Those are the ones I'm talking about. Anyway. Glad to clear that up. Now let the great conversations begin AND the hateful stuff =) Have an awesome day fellow keyboard warriors =)
That first guy dont like God in the picture, he comfirms himself first and foremost, and that is sad! I hope that God will change him on the inside in Jesus´ name Amen!
10:55 whoa, during a pleasant, intelligent philosophical discussion, Cliffe just inserts the assertion that God made everything and just morphs into preaching like noone was going to notice.
Actually, he started preaching knowing full well that everyone would notice. Also, is there anything wrong with preaching? If so, then why are you preaching? If not, then what is the problem with Cliffe preaching?
"Before Abraham was...I AM" that statement was multi layered. It wasn't in my opinion to display he was around before it all...if that's the case...he would have said before Adam. Instead.. we know God asked Abraham to sacrifice his one and only son...but before Abraham was...God stopped him and provided a sacrifice...it was foreshadowing and a parallel of God sacrificing his one and only son...plus...he rightfully used "I AM"...because he is God and he knew they would pick up on that phrase as the name of God thru Moses' inquiry...Jesus was eluding to both...he was God and the sacrificial lamb.
Most of the world - even the believing world - are unaware of the fact THE WAR ON THE EARTH, is really a war for the MINDS OF PEOPLE! Abraham's mind belonged to Yahuwah Elohim/MICHAEL, the First Prince of Heaven. Having lived a perfectly sinless life, and died AS ALL OF HUMANITY WHO WOULD CHOOSE THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, Yahushua returned to Third Heaven, and poured out the Holy Spirit, WHICH IS the mind of Messiah (See 1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV . . .ready the whole Chapter)! The War is whether or not you will entrust your Body Temple completely unto the Mind of Messiah, or else always hold onto a part of the Body Temple, and in doing this, not allow the Mind of Messiah to have you in totality, so that your life is HIS LIFE, and thus the wish of Ephesians 4: 11 - 16. This can only literally happen, if we all allow the mind of Messiah to control our Body Temples, which the 144,000 will bring forth in these last days! HalleluYah, awmayne!
We need more unction, not intellectualism. I'm not against intellect but this is spiritual warfare against an unseen enemy. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, get unction, get the full armor of God. With real anointing the Holy Spirit will cut straight to the heart and mind by the Word of God which is the Sword of the Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit to convict people of their sin. Where is the disputer of this world has not God made mans thoughts foolishness?
At about 20 minutes Cliffe talks about God testing Abraham by asking him to Kill his son. It's a great biblical story which to me is a way of trying to persuade Christians to put all their faith in God, do as he says, even if it seems absolutely immoral, God has a reason for everything, In Abraham's case, he was testing Abraham's faith. The problem here is, we all know what is right, I would seriously doubt any voices in my head which told me to kill my son, if you have those voices, you need to seek medical advice. I understand the point behind the story, but for me, it doesn't put God in a good light.
***** I doubt very much this was an actual historical event 1God. It has all the hallmarks of being a made up story which is meant to tell the readers to put all their faith in God, to do as he says, no matter what. Outside of religious books, is there much evidence of Abraham as an actual living breathing person. According to Genesis, he lived for 175 years, that is stretching credibility a little i think.
***** well, if you have a loving relationship with someone, telling them to kill their own son seems an outrageous thing to do, whether he believed him or not.
***** He has a strange way of showing his love for me if my destiny is hell. Now who in their right mind would choose to go to Hell?, certainly not me. If you tell me I have a free choice of either heaven or hell, obviously I'm going to choose the good place. But what if i don't believe there is a good place after death, can't I just be allowed to die peacefully and sleep forever?, why must I accept Jesus or face eternal hell, there should be a third option, eternal sleep. For the "crime" of non belief, I am sentenced to eternal punishment. Whereas, if I've lived a life of sin, raped, tortured, murdered etc, if, on my deathbed, i suddenly "see the light", and *genuinely* accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, I get to go to eternal heaven. Psychopaths can go to heaven, and people who are not convinced of all the magical stories in the bible, go to hell. Hmmmmm. Thanks, but no thanks on that idea.
***** Kaz. You may not believe me, but i would honestly prefer eternal sleep to heaven and praising a God who i see as a moral monster. I am also not saying I live my life without making errors and occasionally doing bad things, yes, you are right, none of us have totally blameless lives. it's part of being human. Let me ask you this Kaz, if you were commanded by God to do something you considered bad, would you do it?, and him commanding such an instruction, would that then make it morally right? Now there's a good question for you :-)
If you all haven't seen a documentary called.... It's worse than you think.... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministries.... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
The first guy he spoke to is awesome. Finally someone who discusses things with him and doesnt argue like a child
I agree with both of you about that first young man... He still has some things he needs to be corrected on and I think Cliffe did good, but gentle job of doing so.
Yeah I hope the words sunk in
First guy is so intelligent. The way he constructs his words and his humbleness to learn from another person shows that. I hope he finds what he's looking for
What Cliff does so well is answer with "gentleness and respect." It is obvious that this is a labor of love for him, and those he dialogues with listen patiently because he first listens patiently to THEM. Lord, teach us to not focus on winning arguments, but winning people.
I love Anthony :) He is discussing and not getting angry or anything! Thank The Lord :) I like him a lot! He had good points as well. I hope he finds Jesus :)
I wish there was a new video everyday!
This is probably fun for cliff, but I bet it's very stressful at the same time. Thank God for the desire that he put in Cliff's heart.
This is so stressful i don't know how Cliffs is so cool . Clearly He is a anointed servant of the Lord JEsus Christ
Cliffe is very humbly, and is really doing the work we are all called to do as follower of Jesus Christ. God bless him and thank you Heavenly Father for using him to show your amazing character.
I love to watch him and I have learnt so much, from watching him.
Whether we admit it or not we all want there to be a supernatural being that is ultimately good and wants to save mankind from ourselves.
Anthony was a breath of fresh air. He was polite, respectful and very reasonable. I enjoyed Cliffe and Anthony's conversation.
It is so good to see a respectful conversation between two people who think differently. This is teachable to all.
I loved the conversation with the second man. Super powerful, I hope I can remember this to tell someone
One day (hopefully soon) I will get Cliffe on my campus in Denver :)
I feel the same way about him coming to Charlotte and I feel like I would be able to help his purpose, but in reality, I would probably do more to mess it up! LOL
@@JohnSmith-db2wl Foolish statement.
@@JohnSmith-db2wl Feel better now? And you seem to unaware that questions can be statements, which is the case here. Why ARE you here? Go live out your pathetic, little life without worrying about God. Remember, He’s just a “fairytale.” No need to waste your time on things that aren’t real. Yet, here you are trolling. What are you fishing for here? What do you want to accomplish? Go.
@@SOULSafeProductionZ pppp
Lol the 2nd guy was hilarious!
Indeed, but with good point
I like the closing it's always good "💙 Love You God"👍👍👍 and thanks for another good 1 brother
truth neither can be created nor be destroyed
Proverbs 3:5-6 KJV
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Awesome vid! Very powerful answers! Keep it up Cliffe!:)
God wrote his laws on our hearts.... I love how cliff pulls in the crowds. People can not deny there is something pulling them towards Christ. It is there sin, the lust for self satisfaction, the lack of knowledge of Christ that keeps them away.
I have a problem with the second guy's comments. First, he said that he is a Christian. Second, he said that he doesn't like being associated with Christianity. Third, he believes that Christians are hypocrites. Fourth, he want's to know what God's will for his life is. He is basically saying that he is a Christian but doesn't feel he needs to be a part of the body of Christ because Christians are hypocrites and spending time with them will stigmatise him as being a partaker in Christianity. So, here's a biblical response to his claims, which I believe are errors, that I see given to us in God's word. He said he hates going to church on Sundays, no Christian can separate himself from the body of Christ, by choice, and be a true believer. To choose to separate himself from the body of Christ is to hate the brethren and not love them (1 John 2:3-11, 1 Corinthians 12:12-26). To not want to be associated with Christianity is contradictory with the very being of a Christian and what Christ has called us to, this is sin as we should be honoured to be called a Christian (Mark 8:38). He refutes his own statement by saying that Christians in churches are hypocrites. He clearly falls flat in his own hypocrisy by not obeying Christ's commandments of loving the brethren and being kind and caring to one another (Ephesians 4:32, 5:21, Hebrews 10:25). Finally, he wants to know God's will, but how can someone who disobeys God's word in regards to fellowship with the brethren and being associated with biblical Christianity BE in God's will?! They cannot be in God's will if this is the case (Luke 6:46, 1 John 3:10) and I would have thought that Cliffe would have called him out on these things or at least probed a bit at his heart. This guy's soul doesn't sound like it's in a good place before The Lord Jesus. We should pray for him. God bless :-)
Being a Christian don't mean going to church but don't forsake the church. And you can be a Christian with out religion
@@lengboss1 Religion is expressing a belief in a supernatural deity. Not going to church but still worshipping a deity is still practicing religion. We need to do corporate worship not because everyone worshipping is good, but because God is good and we need His goodness and want to share it with others. We need to stop believing other people around us should be perfect before we can worship God with them. We aren’t any better than the other people who come to church and worship God.
Proverbs 28:14
Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.
I am happy to see something raised about Free Will and love, for if we did not have Free Will, we really could not demonstrate love. I say that because Love would then no longer be a choice. If we are "hard-wired" to perform or act a certain way, it really would no longer be a conscious decision. If you kept a lover locked in a room, who only loved you because you fed him/her, then the choice is really more about living. If God allows us to live outside of four walls, only if we worship and love Him, we could certainly go through the motions too. God knows the heart, and the only way to really love is through making a conscious decision to do so; it is only by Free Will.
+Raymond Griffin Fallen man is still free to choose what he desires, but because his desires are only wicked he lacks the moral ability to come to Christ. As long as he remains in the flesh, unregenerate, he will never choose Christ. He cannot choose Christ precisely because he cannot act against his own will. He has no desire for Christ. He cannot choose what he does not desire. His fall is great. It is so great that only the effectual grace of God working in his heart can bring him to faith. If a man is truly born again it should be easy to observe this. Evidence or information does not make one born again.
Free will ends where the next dude one's begins.
Love this video
8:52 -- Skinny boy says: "I think it's something that we need to arrive at ourselves; it's not something that you should just accept from others."
I say: "Then keep your mouth shut and let everyone arrive at it ourselves."
Also, if nobody asserted and enforced morality through legislation, then murder, rape, and theft would all be legal, and life would be a horrible mess for everyone all over the world.
10:20 -- Skinny boy says: "There is no objective morality that we can absolutely establish."
I say: "That is obviously just your subjective opinion, and is therefore not objectively true."
In short, his theories are silly, thoughtless, and ignorant.
The first guy doesn’t believe God, he actually believes man can create the objective morals. Man can’t create objective morals because man is inherently unrighteous. Objective morality has to come from a very righteous being and that is God. Man does good but man isn’t righteous.
Thanks for always helping and challenging me to dig deeper in my relationship with GOD!
19:55
“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
John 3:34 KJV
God is not illogical...
“He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."-Jesus Christ Mathew10:39
God is reference point of love GOD IS LOVE HOLY BIBLE
Mark 7:20-23,
Luke 18:18-27
Of course there's hypocrites in some churchs, all those people in church had to come from outside to get insides also hypocrisy is a human thing not a church thing. Wherever Humanity goes sin comes with them.
What!? No mention of the Holy Spirit!? He will guide you and cause you to remember Jesus's words! He will give you direction especially to Gods purpose! Jesus said WATCH (pay attention) and PRAY (intimacy with God) ref. Matthew 26:41. That is key. The bible also says search the "scriptures for in them you think you have life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39 Those hypocrites need to be born again, or baptized in Holy Ghost and FIRE! ref. Luke 3:16)
Great job.
Hooray! I got to comment before the haters came in arguing their hatred for christianity/god/religion.. Have a great day everybody!
I trust you do understand that all who comment with an opposing viewpoint to Cliffe are not necessarily god/Xtianity/religion haters. Many are in an honest dialogue in a search for truth. For example, Cliffe goes on about Abe Lincoln's honesty at the end, yet he has posted videos with parts edited out wherein he is made to look pretty bad. In fact, he's edited out arguments where his opponent has revealed falsehoods promoted by Knechtle. Google "Cliffe Knechtle 10/42 apologetic" and look at the link to the Celsius blog that shows up. Similar dishonesty can be found in Strobel's books, McDowell's and other apologists. I don't hate God, but I do not like the lying these guys get away with to promote their convictions.
lol You assume that I assume.
I literally mean the comments that are "f**k god and f**k any ignorant person who believes this c*&k and his words"... Those are the ones I'm talking about. Anyway. Glad to clear that up. Now let the great conversations begin AND the hateful stuff =)
Have an awesome day fellow keyboard warriors =)
@@Zaymirandaaa and 7 years later were are thou😆
That first guy dont like God in the picture, he comfirms himself first and foremost, and that is sad! I hope that God will change him on the inside in Jesus´ name Amen!
10:55 whoa, during a pleasant, intelligent philosophical discussion, Cliffe just inserts the assertion that God made everything and just morphs into preaching like noone was going to notice.
Actually, he started preaching knowing full well that everyone would notice.
Also, is there anything wrong with preaching?
If so, then why are you preaching?
If not, then what is the problem with Cliffe preaching?
"Before Abraham was...I AM" that statement was multi layered. It wasn't in my opinion to display he was around before it all...if that's the case...he would have said before Adam. Instead.. we know God asked Abraham to sacrifice his one and only son...but before Abraham was...God stopped him and provided a sacrifice...it was foreshadowing and a parallel of God sacrificing his one and only son...plus...he rightfully used "I AM"...because he is God and he knew they would pick up on that phrase as the name of God thru Moses' inquiry...Jesus was eluding to both...he was God and the sacrificial lamb.
Most of the world - even the believing world - are unaware of the fact THE WAR ON THE EARTH, is really a war for the MINDS OF PEOPLE! Abraham's mind belonged to Yahuwah Elohim/MICHAEL, the First Prince of Heaven. Having lived a perfectly sinless life, and died AS ALL OF HUMANITY WHO WOULD CHOOSE THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL, Yahushua returned to Third Heaven, and poured out the Holy Spirit, WHICH IS the mind of Messiah (See 1Corinthians 2: 14 - 16, KJV . . .ready the whole Chapter)! The War is whether or not you will entrust your Body Temple completely unto the Mind of Messiah, or else always hold onto a part of the Body Temple, and in doing this, not allow the Mind of Messiah to have you in totality, so that your life is HIS LIFE, and thus the wish of Ephesians 4: 11 - 16. This can only literally happen, if we all allow the mind of Messiah to control our Body Temples, which the 144,000 will bring forth in these last days! HalleluYah, awmayne!
in case of God dont seek prooooooooooof seek reason
We need more unction, not intellectualism. I'm not against intellect but this is spiritual warfare against an unseen enemy. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, get unction, get the full armor of God. With real anointing the Holy Spirit will cut straight to the heart and mind by the Word of God which is the Sword of the Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit to convict people of their sin. Where is the disputer of this world has not God made mans thoughts foolishness?
Geez Louise... This first guy is like watching a dog chase its tail...around and around etc. Driving me insane.
I disagree but that 1st young man is like an attorney who is studying over a case with evidence
At about 20 minutes Cliffe talks about God testing Abraham by asking him to Kill his son. It's a great biblical story which to me is a way of trying to persuade Christians to put all their faith in God, do as he says, even if it seems absolutely immoral, God has a reason for everything, In Abraham's case, he was testing Abraham's faith. The problem here is, we all know what is right, I would seriously doubt any voices in my head which told me to kill my son, if you have those voices, you need to seek medical advice. I understand the point behind the story, but for me, it doesn't put God in a good light.
Then your comprehension of that historical event is inaccurate.
***** I doubt very much this was an actual historical event 1God. It has all the hallmarks of being a made up story which is meant to tell the readers to put all their faith in God, to do as he says, no matter what. Outside of religious books, is there much evidence of Abraham as an actual living breathing person. According to Genesis, he lived for 175 years, that is stretching credibility a little i think.
***** well, if you have a loving relationship with someone, telling them to kill their own son seems an outrageous thing to do, whether he believed him or not.
***** He has a strange way of showing his love for me if my destiny is hell. Now who in their right mind would choose to go to Hell?, certainly not me. If you tell me I have a free choice of either heaven or hell, obviously I'm going to choose the good place. But what if i don't believe there is a good place after death, can't I just be allowed to die peacefully and sleep forever?, why must I accept Jesus or face eternal hell, there should be a third option, eternal sleep. For the "crime" of non belief, I am sentenced to eternal punishment. Whereas, if I've lived a life of sin, raped, tortured, murdered etc, if, on my deathbed, i suddenly "see the light", and *genuinely* accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, I get to go to eternal heaven. Psychopaths can go to heaven, and people who are not convinced of all the magical stories in the bible, go to hell. Hmmmmm. Thanks, but no thanks on that idea.
***** Kaz. You may not believe me, but i would honestly prefer eternal sleep to heaven and praising a God who i see as a moral monster. I am also not saying I live my life without making errors and occasionally doing bad things, yes, you are right, none of us have totally blameless lives. it's part of being human. Let me ask you this Kaz, if you were commanded by God to do something you considered bad, would you do it?, and him commanding such an instruction, would that then make it morally right? Now there's a good question for you :-)
If you all haven't seen a documentary called.... It's worse than you think.... By revelations of Jesus Christ ministries.... I suggest you do... All praise and glory to the most high Jesus Christ
I'll ask again
Do I have free will?
Is everything part of gods plan?
Does god know everything?
Yes.
Yes, no, yes!
You talk too much Anthony.