Agreed. She basically said, who cares if they cheated, they were the best As if that nullifies it. And who hasn't deleted fifty two incriminating text messages
He was hired to be a Head Coach in the NFL where he has unfinished business. He left to win a Superbowl. He's been dog walking the NCAA since he came back to College football and to suggest any coach could have a league position, let alone a HC job, as some sort of fallback scapegoat is fundamentally stupid and childish.
@@xbotLife I don't have to keep telling myself that. It's you that needs to tell yourself that. It's just facts and anyone that believes otherwise is just salty.
He wants a SB ring......1000 college rings don't equal one of those. All coaches know this, which is why Saban, Urban, etc. all go to the NFL, fail and come back to college.
Michigan was at a massive disadvantage after the sign-stealing "scandal" broke. Referees were invariably biased, and let several blatant targeting calls against JJ McCarthy go without a whistle, while calling a penalty on every borderline "physical or foul" play of our defense. 144's road to a National Championship is a compelling, against-all-odds football story full of big hits, explosive plays, and just a few tablespoons of drama. Not only that, the whole of it literally created unprecedented levels of interest in college football. The NCAA really should be thanking Harbaugh for all the extra eyes he brought to the sport, and the players should be thanking him for getting them paid.
OSU fans will push for vacated wins and the title being stripped, but as Finbaum said, the NCAA has no power anymore. Nothing significant will happen, except fire up the Michigan football team to really push hard for a repeat.
😂😂😂 most delusional fan base in college football. We had a season vacated because a couple of kids traded THEIR property for some tattoos. Y’all are delusional.
WHY would Moore have 52 text messages from a "lonewolf" that was a low level staffer in the recruiting department?? AND delete them THE day Stalions was found out
@DexSaban It literally says in the ESPN article that Moore gave the NCAA the deleted messages, the NCAA was able to recover the messages as they were still in Moores deleted messages folder & decided to Hit Moore with a level 2 violation because they found NOTHING linking Moore to knowing Stallions scheme. The NCAA basically punished Moore for deleting the messages & not for anything spicy they found between Moore & Stallions.
@@alexharris9129 Even if that's true, Michigan's natty coincided with the timeframe this scandal occurred. Sorry, but every time you brag about your natty, this stain is gonna come with it.
Just say you haven't read the NCAA rules in question of violation. When Harbaugh took over as HC at Michigan his recruiting satellite camps in SEC country was called out as cheating. Except it wasn't and the NCAA rules about that weren't explicitly clarified (because they're an incompetent organization) and he exploited that fact.
after the death penalty given to SMU they schools have made it real hard for the NCAA to govern them and now everything is looked at and ignored because the MONEY says so
SMU got the death penalty cuz they had players on payroll as if they were the Cowboys. If you think trying to get someone’s signs that are changed at half time is the same thing then u need your head checked bruh
The NCAA has said multiple times that they would never give another university the death penalty. The penalty decimated SMU and hurt college football as a whole
The female commentator talks about “they just didn’t know where he was 58 times?” She clearly doesn’t even know what the allegations even are, yet ESPN pays her to talk about it. You’d think they could do better than that.
@@JoeShmoe-j1q It isn't even against the rules. You are allowed to use fan footage for scouting. Stalions didn't pay them to go do that. They were technically fans
Ur not. What they are doing here, is setting up the narrative that Michigan is a victim, and that this is all annoying and too much, which is absolute gaslighting to what finebaum was saying just last year abt this. It’s literally propaganda lmao
@@Painisme9 the rumor through the media circle is that Steven has been banging her for a while and that's why she gets to say and do whatever she wants and Steven A often calls for the matriarch
Paul Finebaum is such a Hater over Michigan Football. And for them to knock Michigan vs Everybody is ridiculous. It is Michigan vs Everybody!!! GO BLUE!!!
@GoDodgerBlueScarletBuckeye Buckeyes aren't built in the trenches those fancy 5 stars not gonna get the job done lol this ain't basketball. Football is won at the line of scrimmage
Michigan won the championship and I don’t think the cheating had something to do with that, but it definitely could have effected the other games before the ongoing investigation
Reggie Bush had to give his trophy back, OSU got hammered over the tattoo scandal. Those incidents had nothing to do with what happened on the field. But the NCAA said RULES ARE RULES. So the same energy needs to be kept here. Michigan broke the rules, they need to be punished. It needs to be as simple as that.
Then why did Penn State and Ohio State have wins vacated for previous cases? Those had absolutely nothing to do with play on the field yet the NCAA vacated wins. If there is ever a case to vacate wins this is it!
Ya that’s been the excuse I’ve seen for not vacating any of Michigan’s wins. The problem is its illogical to assume you can only vacate because of ineligible players.
Wait…. They had one of their staff work his way on Central Michigans sideline. Dress up in Central Michigan swag, stand 5 ft from the CM head coach. That gets a slap in the wrist? Can you imagine an NFL team trying this? Not saying vacate a Natty but a 2-3 game suspension is all they get?
@@76vike19 You’re not very smart. There is no such thing as sign stealing. Every team gets film of all the teams they play for film study. How sign stealing became a thing is amazing🤷🏾
@@adolphdooley3632I know. “Sign stealing” somehow became the accusation. The charges were for filming opponents games, a practice that is commonplace and expected in the NFL and should be no different in the NCAA.
The emails were not deleted they was in the deleted folder and not cleared. It is common to delete threads in emails but not empty the trash folder, hence they are saved. They was turned over and nothing found, the NCAA is mad cause Harbaugh left and made them look dumb
@davesnothere8859 who do you think turned them over? Sherrone Moore turned them over. Again he deleted the thread like normal ppl do, never emptied the trash so he still had the messages. Guess you had a hard time understanding that
It always has been and still is. It wasn't until the early 90s with the introduction of new technology that smaller programs felt like it was an unfair competitive advantage since they couldn't afford it. So the NCAA established conditions for advanced scouting in that no program could explicitly, through the use of film video recording (never updated to include digital) by any current member of the coaching staff. Fast forward to 2019 and the NCAA board committee actually brought up this specific rule to vote on abolishing it with a majority support until Covid happened and all other matters of consideration were sidelined. So don't be surprised when the Stallion Netflix episode comes out and his bases of justification is that A. He wasn't a coach B. He purchased tickets with his own money and sent friends and family to opponent games. C. The use of digital recording methods were not stipulated in the 1991 rule, only film based. D. Furthermore , any obtained materials collected in violation of said rules, cannot be distributed or transmitted or shared among any current member of the coaching staff in its original form. Which he didn't. People are so caught up on the idea that Michigan was cheating and stealing sighs, they fail to understand the nuances of the governing body and their antiquated and outdated incompetency that lead to this exploit.
Harbaugh was 69-25 about to get fired before stallions and 21-1 after they started cheating.. no coincidence why they started winning at such a high level
I've seen that train of though a few times. The problem is, is that it does not take into account everything that happened. Before 2020, EVERYONE (at least everyone that knows football) knew what OSU was running against Michigan - the crossing route. They ran it all the time in every game against Michigan, and Don Brown just kept on running his defense, making absolutely no changes. It used to pissed me off something fierce. Finally, they kicked Brown to the curb and called on the Ravens pipeline to grab first MacDonald and then Minter. They transformed the D into what it was. THAT was the big change. Anyone pinning it all on Stallions either A) Doesn't know football B)confirmation bias or C)Both,
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the handful of former Michigan coaches now currently coaching in the league. Two of which are NFL head coaches or the 30+ players drafted in the past three years. But go on, tell us about the currently unemployed 28 year old low level analyst that singlehandedly is responsible for Michigan's success. That makes way more sense.
I agree with Paul. The NCAA should have left well enough alone. It would be better to spend 20 million dollars to buy players, than to secretly buy a guy a $5.00 hamburger🍔that is why the NCAA is a joke. The conferences should get rid of the NCAA out of football, let them rule over field hockey🏑
They should be punished for whatever rules were broken. Similar to recruiting violations (which multiple colleges have admitted to this season Ohio State, Arizona State, etc.) or holding too many practices, etc. They paid part of the punishment already with the Harbaugh suspension. For those of you who said that was trivial, it was in some of the biggest games and Sherrone had to make massive decisions in game to win (Penn State - switching to a run attack only....Ohio State- going for it on fourth down THREE times). So, Michigan should get punished. That being said, they won the championship because of the players. 13 players drafted last year, 5 early draft picks on this year's team (Graham, Loveland, Johnson, Grant, Edwards). THEY HAD 18 NFL PLAYERS ON THE FIELD LAST YEAR. That's why they won. As all the ESPN folks say, they were the best team last year. They'll get punished, losing a few scholarships or paying a fine, but they were the best team last year. Throw whatever asterisks or commas or ampersands you want, nobody cares.
I wish college football fans could appreciate the excellence demonstrated by both programs in that Rose Bowl. It was a master class of coaching for the ages and will be studied and go down as one of the best in college football history.
Stop it guys...this doesn't make sense. O state vacates a whole season over tats and they dont get anything. This is a ratings grab. Ever since they were boycotted at the game last year they been back tracking on this story please stop it espn!!!
Did they cheat in the college football playoffs?? Didn't think so, now let's move on we beat Alabama and Washington the hottest team's in the country. People need to stop crying
I'm going to say this much...the cheating began after the Covid season when UM ducked Ohio State...Do you REALLY believe they beat OSU without those signs? The team scouted several more times than any other school was Ohio State. Let's not act like they just started scouting them in 2023 🤦♂️ of course they won last year's game. But let's NOT act like the 2 wins prior happened because they didn't know the signals.
Your wife cheated on you for 3 years, but you caught her and she said she stopped. Issue solved, she said she stopped so nothing to see here, time to just move on. I’d say there’s a pretty good chance they continued the cheating. Especially when you consider your boy Conor removed multiple hard drives and at least one opposing teams play sheets from the team’s facilities before the investigation. I’m sure all that illegally collected data they had on opposing teams was just thrown out never to be used again. Everyone is suppose to just believe a team that cheated for 3 years suddenly stopped because they got caught? Maybe, but we’ll never really know because of how dishonest and shameless the Michigan football program has conducted itself through the whole process. I’m sure the national title will stand in the record books, but there will always be an asterisk next to it.
Reggie Bush had to give his trophy back, OSU got hammered over the tattoo scandal. Those incidents had nothing to do with what happened on the field. But the NCAA said RULES ARE RULES. So the same energy needs to be kept here. Michigan broke the rules, they need to be punished. It needs to be as simple as that.
@kevinb968 The wins were vacated because they broke the rules. Bush had to give his trophy back because USC broke the rules. Michigan BROKE THE RULES. They need to be punished. It's as simple as that. No need to calculate how the violations affected the games. If a player is 1 inch offside, it's a flag. We don't go "oh well, it didn't matter anyways because blah blah blah" RULES ARE RULES.
@@ryanwalker2848 You talk like an uneducated flunk out who never read anything. Obviously I get more than you ever did. Those of your ilk talk a big get laid game, but are real losers
Its not going anywhere. This cry by the Big Ten and especially OSU "Vacate the Natty" is NOT going to happen. They did not play one ineligible player and that would vacate wins. The NCAA does NOT oversee the bowl championship series anyways. OSU just face it that YES you were beat by Michigan for 3 years and your coach is out of excuses this year. He has a LOSING record in big games as the head coach at Ohio State period! Ryan Day is a coordinator in college and is not a head coach. He will be coaching tight ends for Harbaugh next year after he apologizes and begs Jimmy to hire him for 2025. Maybe just maybe Harbaugh hires him and that is after he does his penguin hop dance in the interview after bringing Harbaugh some coffee
Does anybody, except for Buckster$ really think Michigan is the only Big 10 team looking for an advantage by looking across the field to see the opponents signals?
@@patriotfan_6840nope it took y’all cheating after y’all ducked us fro, Covid bc Harbaugh knew he would get canned if he lost that game y’all cheated to win for 3 years keepcoping the hammer is coming
After a 17-2 Ohio State run of pure Domination in 19 years, you have cheating scandals and recruiting violations that lead to a 3 year streak. Coincidence? Nope. Cant believe yall proud of that. But yall TTUN fans so i believe yall cool with cheating to win haha sad
Paul,Paul,Paul . You , myself, and almost every ncaa football handicapper who is relevant KNOWS Georgia was the Only team Beatter than Michigan last year !!!! Top 4 were 1.Georgia 2.Michigan 3. TEXAS 4 Fla State . My Crimson Tide WAS NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM.
This guy gets it. That's why a 28 year old low level analyst that cracked the code is still currently unemployed while a handful of Ex Michigan staffers are coaching in the league, 2 of which are head coaches. But Stallions is the real reason and mastermind behind Michigan's success. That makes total sense...
You don't know what any judge might think is necessary or unnecessary.He may grant the subpoena power to get every one of those text messages.And they don't go away
@23tails15 That doesn't matter..do you really think they're stupid enough to expose themselves in text messages...The video evidence and buying of tickets says it all.
They don't need to prove it to the same level as in court..There is mounds of evidence showing they prescouted games..NCAA only has to say we think you did it and here are the penalties for your lack of cooperation
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who is this random lady on here. What a terrible take. Espn should have standards of who they are putting on these shows.
They fired everyone and are burning cash. Need to fill panel spots with randoms off the street
Agreed. She basically said, who cares if they cheated, they were the best As if that nullifies it. And who hasn't deleted fifty two incriminating text messages
@@Joe.H. right,she was basically a Michigan spokesperson on here.
@@Joe.H. guaranteed Georgia does it too
You're right, Finebaum needs to go!
So this is the reason why Coach Harbaugh left Michigan. He knew what was coming.
He was hired to be a Head Coach in the NFL where he has unfinished business. He left to win a Superbowl. He's been dog walking the NCAA since he came back to College football and to suggest any coach could have a league position, let alone a HC job, as some sort of fallback scapegoat is fundamentally stupid and childish.
@@themichaelbrandonkeep telling yourself that 🤣🤣🤣
@@xbotLife I don't have to keep telling myself that. It's you that needs to tell yourself that. It's just facts and anyone that believes otherwise is just salty.
@@themichaelbrandonif he wants a Super Bowl he went to the wrong team
He wants a SB ring......1000 college rings don't equal one of those.
All coaches know this, which is why Saban, Urban, etc. all go to the NFL, fail and come back to college.
Only msu and osu fans are holding on to this with a death grip
Facts 🤣🤣🤣
100% fact lol. Cracks me up
Michigan was at a massive disadvantage after the sign-stealing "scandal" broke.
Referees were invariably biased, and let several blatant targeting calls against JJ McCarthy go without a whistle, while calling a penalty on every borderline "physical or foul" play of our defense.
144's road to a National Championship is a compelling, against-all-odds football story full of big hits, explosive plays, and just a few tablespoons of drama.
Not only that, the whole of it literally created unprecedented levels of interest in college football. The NCAA really should be thanking Harbaugh for all the extra eyes he brought to the sport, and the players should be thanking him for getting them paid.
@@gridirongodsnetwork always poor officiating is the Michigan cry. The Detroit Greed Press has convinced M fables they are victims
@@tomspitler3353crawl back into your hole and get back to your pizza delivery job. Must have went to that farm school up in Lansing
Well if 15-0 is a victim anyone would take that.
SOOO many excuses COPE!!
ESPN trying to backtrack like they didn't spend 2 months acting like treating Michigan like Nazi Germany last year. Hope they catch a lawsuit too fr
For what reporting the fact that michigan cheated? I'm guessing you didn't attend michigan and just root for them
Kinda ironic you used that example since Michigan has a large Jewish student body
Michigan is a good place to be
This scandal came out back in October! They're guilty. How many more months need to be spent investigating?
@@jemazondo9331 You sound like pure desperation.. Michigan football team to good for your team to actually win on the field?😂😂
52 emails were sent to trash and still read by the ncaa and they found nothing. Lol.
LIAR sent deeper than "trash"
Yup. Buckeye fans trying to cope. They know this year is do or die in columbus.
Hope ur really not thinking that deleted texts can't be retrieved😂
Wow… you know what was on those texts? Please share. I’m sure that would clear everything up 🤔
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To say no one cares anymore is not true .
All of Columbus still cries loudly 😂
East Lansing is still crying loudly as well
ROFL The entire state of Michigan are cry babies now. COPE
@@taxisquad11 we will see who’s coping at the end of this stranger
LIAR.... the entire Big Ten and others nationally care. ALSO those who care about the rule of law care. Only homes in Michigan don't care. COPE
After the NCAA punishments, ALL Michigan Men will be crying in unison like babies with diaper rash. LOL
OSU fans will push for vacated wins and the title being stripped, but as Finbaum said, the NCAA has no power anymore. Nothing significant will happen, except fire up the Michigan football team to really push hard for a repeat.
Watch and see fool
😂😂😂 most delusional fan base in college football. We had a season vacated because a couple of kids traded THEIR property for some tattoos. Y’all are delusional.
ESPN is a bunch of Michigan apologists. Ridiculous. Keep covering up for them
52 text messages that the NCAA got that said nothing. So what are we talking about.
WHY would Moore have 52 text messages from a "lonewolf" that was a low level staffer in the recruiting department?? AND delete them THE day Stalions was found out
@@taxisquad11
Doesn't matter why. Ncaa found them and read them and got nothing lol.
@@JoshuaMollettecap
@DexSaban It literally says in the ESPN article that Moore gave the NCAA the deleted messages, the NCAA was able to recover the messages as they were still in Moores deleted messages folder & decided to Hit Moore with a level 2 violation because they found NOTHING linking Moore to knowing Stallions scheme. The NCAA basically punished Moore for deleting the messages & not for anything spicy they found between Moore & Stallions.
@@2slutsit’s not cap lol after he deleted the text messages he recovered them and turned them in to the NCAA
Ask central Michigan about Connor
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@@softjones3128 really? are you THAT out of touch?
That wasn’t Connor stallions
Michigan can't win without cheating
Michigan can win without cheating
@@alexharris9129 Even if that's true, Michigan's natty coincided with the timeframe this scandal occurred. Sorry, but every time you brag about your natty, this stain is gonna come with it.
They won 900 something games before this scandal
Big time cheaters.
@@CraigCutler6 big time baby.
In other words, cheat because who cares and nothing will happen anyway…
Just say you haven't read the NCAA rules in question of violation. When Harbaugh took over as HC at Michigan his recruiting satellite camps in SEC country was called out as cheating. Except it wasn't and the NCAA rules about that weren't explicitly clarified (because they're an incompetent organization) and he exploited that fact.
Proving that you did not cheat, when you actually did not is a very difficult thing to do...especially when the judge and jury are a one entity.
They didn’t cheat they broke the rules.
Laughing at yourself while you’re making an argument, usually isn’t a good thing.
Is this the same guy who said Michigan wouldn't win the Big Ten? Or the Rose Bowl? Or the Natty?
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Your life revolves around strangers on tv rooting for your team?
That’s Paul Finebaum.
@@softjones3128your life revolves around his comment?
@@ryanhannemann1697only in the delusional people's eyes. Cry more short bus 😊
Thamel went on Get Up and pretty much said the same thing Finebaum said😅
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@@ryanhannemann1697 you are such a loser lmao
@ryanhannemann1697 not happening
@@ryanhannemann1697keep crying 😂
@@ryanhannemann1697nobody with a grade school education thinks this.
after the death penalty given to SMU they schools have made it real hard for the NCAA to govern them and now everything is looked at and ignored because the MONEY says so
This lady should be fired. Worst takes I’ve seen all year
They should be stripped of their title!!!!
Cope bucknut
Cope bucknut
if SMU got the death penalty and Michigan doesn’t then they should be the ones complaining about this
Two tier 2 violations should not result in what SMU got. If you believe otherwise, you're just a hater.
SMU got the death penalty cuz they had players on payroll as if they were the Cowboys. If you think trying to get someone’s signs that are changed at half time is the same thing then u need your head checked bruh
Delusions
The NCAA has said multiple times that they would never give another university the death penalty. The penalty decimated SMU and hurt college football as a whole
😂😂😂😂😂
I felt myself get dumber while listening to this..
The female commentator talks about “they just didn’t know where he was 58 times?” She clearly doesn’t even know what the allegations even are, yet ESPN pays her to talk about it. You’d think they could do better than that.
He wasn't even at the games. He just bought tickets for someone else to go.
@@JoeShmoe-j1q It isn't even against the rules. You are allowed to use fan footage for scouting. Stalions didn't pay them to go do that. They were technically fans
OSU back in cope mode.
Michigan coping for the next 5 years
@taxisquad11 next 50, will probably take them that long to be relevant again
Walmarters continue to play mental gymnastics 😭
@@Daniel-cx6zw every team has walmarters lol
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Am i tripping? They just stripped some wins with a 2 year bowl ban to Kentucky
Ur not. What they are doing here, is setting up the narrative that Michigan is a victim, and that this is all annoying and too much, which is absolute gaslighting to what finebaum was saying just last year abt this. It’s literally propaganda lmao
Kentucky had ineligible players. Michigan didn't actually cheat.
how can you not mention that he gave them the texts
No Molly interrupting is very nice
And why would she be on here it's a completely different show
@@bruhha....2864 they keep her on even with subs sometimes it’s awful cause she think she own it 😂
@@Painisme9 the rumor through the media circle is that Steven has been banging her for a while and that's why she gets to say and do whatever she wants and Steven A often calls for the matriarch
No one should benefit from cheating! Period. No matter how good a team is. No playoff, no bowl, no money!
Paul Finebaum is such a Hater over Michigan Football. And for them to knock Michigan vs Everybody is ridiculous. It is Michigan vs Everybody!!! GO BLUE!!!
Cheater
Fire the athletic director
It does change the outcome of the season !! If they cheated they don’t deserve to be in the finals
How is finebaum the college football expert ?
He is a brilliant man!!!!!!
@@ballin1096😂😂😂
I been tryna to figure that out
It’s the haircut
He sucks! If this was A&M, Ole Miss, etc. through the book at them. Since it's Dirty Harbaugh, Moore, Michigan let's slap them on the wrist.
OSU fans watching this video at work right now absolutely raging 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
It's hilarious they're all over facebook and instagram crying about sanctions. It's like they don't want to play in November. 🤣🤣🤣
@@vine5652nah they wanna play. Osu has a top 2 roster in college
@@gnielsen07paid for, which means they won’t play like top 2.
@@alexharris9129 depends if coaches coach them up, I’d be worried if I’m Michigan cause chip kelly is calling the plays now not the choker Ryan Day
Sorry Buckeyes NCAA not gonna save yall come November lol
Like it’s set in stoned🤣
NCAA isn’t going to save Ichigan. As for the Buckeyes they are going to roll over the then black & blue ichigan lays down.
@GoDodgerBlueScarletBuckeye Buckeyes aren't built in the trenches those fancy 5 stars not gonna get the job done lol this ain't basketball. Football is won at the line of scrimmage
Facts 💯💯
@@GoDodgerBlueScarletBuckeyeMichigan football winning back to back national championships 🏆🏆💯
Not a single brain cell on this panel
All of a sudden Americans are concerned about deleted Emails lol
liberals* not Americans. The rest of the country was concerned about Killary's deleted emails
Deleted messages that were recovered
Hillary knock?
Thanks Paul!!
Michigan won the championship and I don’t think the cheating had something to do with that, but it definitely could have effected the other games before the ongoing investigation
Reggie Bush had to give his trophy back, OSU got hammered over the tattoo scandal. Those incidents had nothing to do with what happened on the field. But the NCAA said RULES ARE RULES.
So the same energy needs to be kept here. Michigan broke the rules, they need to be punished. It needs to be as simple as that.
What’s the big deal with deleting texts? I delete all my convos once in awhile and I’m not under investigation…
Then why did Penn State and Ohio State have wins vacated for previous cases? Those had absolutely nothing to do with play on the field yet the NCAA vacated wins. If there is ever a case to vacate wins this is it!
OSU had players who were not eligible, the coach knew they were not eligible, and played them anyway. That's why the wins were vacated.
Ya that’s been the excuse I’ve seen for not vacating any of Michigan’s wins. The problem is its illogical to assume you can only vacate because of ineligible players.
Get a life, espn propagandists 😂😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
Wait…. They had one of their staff work his way on Central Michigans sideline. Dress up in Central Michigan swag, stand 5 ft from the CM head coach.
That gets a slap in the wrist? Can you imagine an NFL team trying this? Not saying vacate a Natty but a 2-3 game suspension is all they get?
@@76vike19
You’re not very smart. There is no such thing as sign stealing. Every team gets film of all the teams they play for film study. How sign stealing became a thing is amazing🤷🏾
@@adolphdooley3632I know. “Sign stealing” somehow became the accusation. The charges were for filming opponents games, a practice that is commonplace and expected in the NFL and should be no different in the NCAA.
@@adolphdooley3632 yeah - from your profile picture you look like a genius.
@@76vike19
Yes, and from your profile picture you’re nobody at all, absolutely nothing to see; I’m replying to empty space.
@@adolphdooley3632might wanna go back to stealings signs - Wowser you guys got waxed.
Michigan cheated. Nobody can deny it now 😂
100% 🎯
How did they beat Ohio State, Alabama and Washington weeks after the allegations
@@DocNininireally good “advanced scouting”
I see comprehension is not a strong point of yours.
@@jeremybaldiga7559 Being naive is yours.
The emails were not deleted they was in the deleted folder and not cleared. It is common to delete threads in emails but not empty the trash folder, hence they are saved. They was turned over and nothing found, the NCAA is mad cause Harbaugh left and made them look dumb
they were texts and they got them.
@davesnothere8859 who do you think turned them over? Sherrone Moore turned them over. Again he deleted the thread like normal ppl do, never emptied the trash so he still had the messages. Guess you had a hard time understanding that
Never realized just how big Finebaum's ears were. He could probably lift off if he flapped those things.
He is a cfb expert.
Hail to the Victors.
At this point I agree with Paul Finebaum with this.
And as a Michigan I think we broke rules and should get something. see reasonable isn't against the rules.
Paul been on a flamethrower against everybody this past month 😂
Osu fans, media, and Crying Ryan heads 🤯
Anyone who thinks deleting a text message from a phone really deleted the text is just outright silly.
They never go away.
What’s up with the NCAA and Michigan?
DUH!!! Michigan is CONSTANTLY breaking NCAA Bylaws. That's what's up. COPE
I remember going to games in the 80's and seeing teams sending scouts to games. In person scouting was legal till the mid 90's.
It always has been and still is. It wasn't until the early 90s with the introduction of new technology that smaller programs felt like it was an unfair competitive advantage since they couldn't afford it. So the NCAA established conditions for advanced scouting in that no program could explicitly, through the use of film video recording (never updated to include digital) by any current member of the coaching staff. Fast forward to 2019 and the NCAA board committee actually brought up this specific rule to vote on abolishing it with a majority support until Covid happened and all other matters of consideration were sidelined. So don't be surprised when the Stallion Netflix episode comes out and his bases of justification is that A. He wasn't a coach B. He purchased tickets with his own money and sent friends and family to opponent games. C. The use of digital recording methods were not stipulated in the 1991 rule, only film based. D. Furthermore , any obtained materials collected in violation of said rules, cannot be distributed or transmitted or shared among any current member of the coaching staff in its original form. Which he didn't. People are so caught up on the idea that Michigan was cheating and stealing sighs, they fail to understand the nuances of the governing body and their antiquated and outdated incompetency that lead to this exploit.
If this was the Miami Hurricanes, everybody on the panel would be singing a different tune especially Finebum
They dont like Michigan its ridiculous
Also, your pathetic little network doesn't have the same power it once did when ya'll railroaded OSU. Cable is dead
Harbaugh was 69-25 about to get fired before stallions and 21-1 after they started cheating.. no coincidence why they started winning at such a high level
I've seen that train of though a few times. The problem is, is that it does not take into account everything that happened. Before 2020, EVERYONE (at least everyone that knows football) knew what OSU was running against Michigan - the crossing route. They ran it all the time in every game against Michigan, and Don Brown just kept on running his defense, making absolutely no changes. It used to pissed me off something fierce.
Finally, they kicked Brown to the curb and called on the Ravens pipeline to grab first MacDonald and then Minter. They transformed the D into what it was. THAT was the big change. Anyone pinning it all on Stallions either A) Doesn't know football B)confirmation bias or C)Both,
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the handful of former Michigan coaches now currently coaching in the league. Two of which are NFL head coaches or the 30+ players drafted in the past three years. But go on, tell us about the currently unemployed 28 year old low level analyst that singlehandedly is responsible for Michigan's success. That makes way more sense.
Sweetheart no need to advance scout anymore, since plays will now be sent in electronically like in the NFL
DUH!!!!
I agree with Paul. The NCAA should have left well enough alone. It would be better to spend 20 million dollars to buy players, than to secretly buy a guy a $5.00 hamburger🍔that is why the NCAA is a joke. The conferences should get rid of the NCAA out of football, let them rule over field hockey🏑
Ok scumbag, but this is about the on field cheating scandal not a coach buying a recruit a burger
they might ruin that sport too
They should be punished for whatever rules were broken. Similar to recruiting violations (which multiple colleges have admitted to this season Ohio State, Arizona State, etc.) or holding too many practices, etc. They paid part of the punishment already with the Harbaugh suspension. For those of you who said that was trivial, it was in some of the biggest games and Sherrone had to make massive decisions in game to win (Penn State - switching to a run attack only....Ohio State- going for it on fourth down THREE times). So, Michigan should get punished.
That being said, they won the championship because of the players. 13 players drafted last year, 5 early draft picks on this year's team (Graham, Loveland, Johnson, Grant, Edwards). THEY HAD 18 NFL PLAYERS ON THE FIELD LAST YEAR. That's why they won.
As all the ESPN folks say, they were the best team last year.
They'll get punished, losing a few scholarships or paying a fine, but they were the best team last year. Throw whatever asterisks or commas or ampersands you want, nobody cares.
I delete text messages everyday.
"I delete text messages everyday." Plays it off. Professional analyst commentating right there.
Paul Finebaum defending Michigan? Never thought I’d see the day, but glad to have you on board buddy
Don’t worry, he’ll flip again soon. As an Alabama fan you get used to ignoring is dumb ah
The universities and conferences need to be the enforcement.
LOL! The SEC trying to get even for Harbaugh beating Saban into retirement.
Y'all are fully delusional
I wish college football fans could appreciate the excellence demonstrated by both programs in that Rose Bowl. It was a master class of coaching for the ages and will be studied and go down as one of the best in college football history.
Stop it guys...this doesn't make sense. O state vacates a whole season over tats and they dont get anything. This is a ratings grab. Ever since they were boycotted at the game last year they been back tracking on this story please stop it espn!!!
Tats? You think THAT's why tressell has been unhireable for 14 years? Try years of felony fraud.
Did they cheat in the college football playoffs?? Didn't think so, now let's move on we beat Alabama and Washington the hottest team's in the country. People need to stop crying
I'm going to say this much...the cheating began after the Covid season when UM ducked Ohio State...Do you REALLY believe they beat OSU without those signs? The team scouted several more times than any other school was Ohio State. Let's not act like they just started scouting them in 2023 🤦♂️ of course they won last year's game. But let's NOT act like the 2 wins prior happened because they didn't know the signals.
Your wife cheated on you for 3 years, but you caught her and she said she stopped. Issue solved, she said she stopped so nothing to see here, time to just move on. I’d say there’s a pretty good chance they continued the cheating. Especially when you consider your boy Conor removed multiple hard drives and at least one opposing teams play sheets from the team’s facilities before the investigation. I’m sure all that illegally collected data they had on opposing teams was just thrown out never to be used again.
Everyone is suppose to just believe a team that cheated for 3 years suddenly stopped because they got caught? Maybe, but we’ll never really know because of how dishonest and shameless the Michigan football program has conducted itself through the whole process. I’m sure the national title will stand in the record books, but there will always be an asterisk next to it.
Reggie Bush had to give his trophy back, OSU got hammered over the tattoo scandal. Those incidents had nothing to do with what happened on the field. But the NCAA said RULES ARE RULES.
So the same energy needs to be kept here. Michigan broke the rules, they need to be punished. It needs to be as simple as that.
@@jemazondo9331Innocent until proven guilty
@@DocNinini I said the same thing back in November when people wanted Michigan out of the playoffs right when the scandal hit. Its been 9months now.
Ohio State lost wins for free tattoos and selling a pin
OSU had players who were not eligible, the coach knew they were not eligible, and played them anyway. That's why the wins were vacated.
@kevinb968 The wins were vacated because they broke the rules. Bush had to give his trophy back because USC broke the rules. Michigan BROKE THE RULES. They need to be punished. It's as simple as that.
No need to calculate how the violations affected the games. If a player is 1 inch offside, it's a flag. We don't go "oh well, it didn't matter anyways because blah blah blah"
RULES ARE RULES.
@@jemazondo9331 right.. and rule michigan broke has a direct correlation on the games.
ESPN and Finefraud……hypocrite much?
Michigan*
Live with it.
If there is an asterisk they will vacate Michigan's wins. That's how college football works.
@@JohnnyFarcryno sir…if there was cheating, which there was…..there is an *
How is this still going on….?
More and more Bylaws are being found to be broken, COPE
@@taxisquad11coming from someone who's never read a single rule or bylaw.
@@themichaelbrandon LIAR.....I HAVE read them. Obviously you have not. COPE
@@taxisquad11 If you sat there and read all the bylaws all of it, and putting this much energy into this you need to go get laid no one cares
@@ryanwalker2848 You talk like an uneducated flunk out who never read anything. Obviously I get more than you ever did. Those of your ilk talk a big get laid game, but are real losers
Its not going anywhere. This cry by the Big Ten and especially OSU "Vacate the Natty" is NOT going to happen. They did not play one ineligible player and that would vacate wins. The NCAA does NOT oversee the bowl championship series anyways. OSU just face it that YES you were beat by Michigan for 3 years and your coach is out of excuses this year. He has a LOSING record in big games as the head coach at Ohio State period! Ryan Day is a coordinator in college and is not a head coach. He will be coaching tight ends for Harbaugh next year after he apologizes and begs Jimmy to hire him for 2025. Maybe just maybe Harbaugh hires him and that is after he does his penguin hop dance in the interview after bringing Harbaugh some coffee
So cheating is ok? Answer the question
Everyone should do it and nothing should be said about it. Sharing tape and getting scouting reports is good for football everywhere.
We will still own Ohio State 🥱
And all it took was cheating to own them😅
@@whiteymcwhiterson3974with or without it, we still beat them.
Does anybody, except for Buckster$ really think Michigan is the only Big 10 team looking for an advantage by looking across the field to see the opponents signals?
@@patriotfan_6840nope it took y’all cheating after y’all ducked us fro, Covid bc Harbaugh knew he would get canned if he lost that game y’all cheated to win for 3 years keepcoping the hammer is coming
After a 17-2 Ohio State run of pure Domination in 19 years, you have cheating scandals and recruiting violations that lead to a 3 year streak. Coincidence? Nope. Cant believe yall proud of that. But yall TTUN fans so i believe yall cool with cheating to win haha sad
I wouldn't say this is going nowhere. When we think that, they lower the hammer. You know this Paul.
The most important thing is that we can mock the team & their fans for being cheaters
that is why they leaked it because they know it is the only punishment that is going to happen
It’s never been a level playing field and it never will be. It’s what makes college sports so magical a lot of the time.
Paul,Paul,Paul . You , myself, and almost every ncaa football handicapper who is relevant KNOWS Georgia was the Only team Beatter than Michigan last year !!!! Top 4 were 1.Georgia 2.Michigan 3. TEXAS 4 Fla State . My Crimson Tide WAS NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM.
52 deleted texts that were recovered annnnnd…nothing was found. So that’s why this isn’t going anywhere
Yup michigan didn't cheat
I hate Paul but he's right. The NCAA has nothing and will probably just hand out a 1-3 game suspension for coach Moore.
So big ears doesn’t understand the difference of an NIL case vs the Advanced scouting case?
If there were anything meaningful on those deleted texts, that would have been the story. Tells me everything I need to know.
Paul’s ear pod looks like a cotton ball in a satellite dish
AND WE STILL WAITING ON THE 🔨😂
Don't be so impatient. COPE
Have fun waiting👍🏼
How can you continue to make false claims and half-assed lies.
Here come all the strays to Ohio State fans from Michigan fans who won a Natty and still salty, weirdest sh*t I ever seen.
The only hammer about to drop is the one in Sherrone’s pants.
what do you think he is accused of?
When the new 2025 College Football video game came out, if you preordered the game it came with the Connor Stallions cheat code. 😂😂😂
That was lame
@@infamouzariesexactly
This guy gets it. That's why a 28 year old low level analyst that cracked the code is still currently unemployed while a handful of Ex Michigan staffers are coaching in the league, 2 of which are head coaches. But Stallions is the real reason and mastermind behind Michigan's success. That makes total sense...
Not a Michigan fan but now that You can pay Players going to be hard to punish Michigan more than Suspension.
You don't know what any judge might think is necessary or unnecessary.He may grant the subpoena power to get every one of those text messages.And they don't go away
The ncaa read the 52 emails he deleted them then recovered them they found nothing
@23tails15 That doesn't matter..do you really think they're stupid enough to expose themselves in text messages...The video evidence and buying of tickets says it all.
One thing I keep hearing you guys say is they don't have subpoena power and they need Michigan cooperation to level penalties...FALS
The NCAA wants nothing to do with Michigan in court. They have no evidence of any cheating.
It’s 2024 and cheating is still cheating. Strip them.
None of these cheaters or leagues/federation never have to pay gamblers back for costing them money. Smh
I don’t think someone on the sideline with never be legal.
Wait till this documentary comes out lol.
That’s why Harbaugh left, he knew that school was gonna get in trouble.
Or he wanted more money goof ball
Yes it’s the only reason and no others that make more sense at all.
Yeah because the NFL is just handing out HC jobs for the washout college coaches. Standard fallback plan.
Cya move = cover your a** move 😂
Not true, they put kentucky on probation.
ok, I don't know this lady but if she's on the thumbnail i'm not clicking lol
thank god for preview plays
They won most of the games BY CHEATING! You ESPN people miss the point!
Prove it
SMU, Tennessee and Ohio State players should sue the NCAA to have their wins given back if they don't take games from Michigan!
They don't need to prove it to the same level as in court..There is mounds of evidence showing they prescouted games..NCAA only has to say we think you did it and here are the penalties for your lack of cooperation
@@jeffreymcdowell7189 boohoo another buckeye, sheesh that’s a surprise.
Please refer to this mounds of evidence? hahaha
And you know HE HATES MICHIGAN! So if he said nothin is gonna happen, I'll listen.... this time. GO BLUE
Only good thing about Michigan is the golf courses and the cannabis