@@lliamthrumble GTX 1650 Super, YES and if you already bought it when it was $169. But if you are talking about the non-Super, forget it, that one is a JOKE. Even Steve panned that card, look it up. Right now, you might as well wait for NVIDIA & AMD to come down the pike with an entry level Ampere/RDNA2 GPUs, as these old cards are not being stocked and thus are being driven by scalpers looking to screw the inexperienced out of their money.
@@vh9network got the gddr6 super version, but Steve also panned that card as well after retesting it. I'm just thinking that now it must be a monster good card for price to performance :)
@@lliamthrumble he didn't really pan the Super version, there's more videos where Steve ought right praises the Super over the Non-Super and why he holds the line on ever recommended the non-Super because it's a stupid release. Nowadays the GTX 1650 Super, which I have also, the Gigabyte OC one, to me it's the same as it was since release. I wouldn't buy it today because there's a good chance you are going pay scalper price over it's suggested retail price of $169. Might as well wait to when NVIDIA puts out a RTX 3050 line of cards, or AMD release the RX 6500 line of cards, those will be MSRP, versus the older generation cards that are not being re-stock, not being produced, and if available are in 2nd 3rd hand markets being scalped.
Upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RX 5700 XT in August 2020, just before things turned ugly. Still had doubts whether it was worth it. In hindsight, it totally was.
Me too. Crazy eh. At the time, there was already some rumbling that there would be very limited availability for the next generation of gpus, but I never thought we'd see anything like this. I really wonder what kind of customer is willing to pay these prices.
Yes! I was hesitant last October, missed out on the 5700xt and had to wait till a recent sale for a 6700xt. It's a very nicely built over-engineered card but far worse value.
@@RobBCactive RX 6700 XT is a great card, though I went with the RTX 3070, but to be honest if you don’t play in 4k these cards push out so much frame rate, not just scratching the top of the 60 fps. More like sometimes top of the 150-200 fps.
@@jay-5061 Not at all. In fact the original plan was for both of us to have 2060s but at the last minute I decided to hackintosh mine and that meant an AMD GPU. The day we went to get the last parts for the builds our local Microcenter had a 2060Super open box for $385 so I grabbed it. Someone had "returned" it without the SLI Bridge. I had no plans on SLI so what did I care. Despite the performance boost of the 5700XT I wish I had access to DLSS, Broadcast, and Studio. Yes AMD has some software that is equivalent but its not as good. Im not unhappy with my 5700XT at all but I have had more than one WTF moment with AMD drivers and software while I have never had an issue with Nvidia drivers.
@@WildkatPhoto I also have a 5700 XT, and the only thing I want from an amd gpu is a better encoder that is around the same speed/quality as nvidia’s. Otherwise I’ve really enjoyed it
Same. I upgraded 2 years ago from a gtx 1660 and regretted the money spent for a couple months....then the gpu apocalypse happened and it became the best timed pc upgrade I've ever bought in my life.
Same here, got the red devil version and had a bit of regret when the specs of the new stuff leaked, but its really damn good for its price, especially after the GPU Apocolypse occurred
My RX 5700 XT was definitely the Best investment I've ever made, i bought it in 2019 for £400 and sold it one month ago for £800 and bought a Powercolor Red Devil RX 6800 XT with the proceeds made!
@@Happiness-lp9fw AMD GPUs render content pretty well. I edit videos on my 5700 and my uncle uses a 580 for animation. Uses multiple renderers, and honestly, the experience is great. No complains.
Tbh I had more driver issues with my RX 480 than my 5700XT, my RX 480 was always almost always unstable even undervolted and under clocked. My 5700XT runs like a champ.
Whats weird about that? Ofc unstable product will drop in price. The drivers were insanely bad. I upgraded my 1060 6 gb to 5700 and i returned it after 2 weeks. They offered me nvidia 2000 GPUs but i refused since i think they were bad buy compared to pascal in terms of price to performance. But yea, AMD drivers were atrocious. Still running 1060 6gb paired with ryzen 2700x. Its fine for 1080p monitor that i have. Will wait for normal prices and probably go with 3060ti or 3070 and get new 1440p monitor. But yea, nothing surprising about 5000 series dropping that low when a lot of people had problems with them and for a looooong time. It took AMD almost a year to iron out most of the problems.
@@NovaDoll it was really bad. AMD fanboys are like "but i never had problem so its just haters". Drivers alone ruined 5000 series which was really bad move from AMD since rtx 2000 series didnt bring that much more performance compared to pascal. If AMD for once had normal drivers, they would have been great with sales in last gen. Ah well. I am glad i could even return the GPU. Last gen was disappointing from both AMD and Nvidia. These new gen GPUs look solid but miners and scalpers are killing us. We will have to wait half a year at least.
The drivers were not the reason. There was hardware level bug that the drivers finally fixed. Random hardware level occurrence is one of the hardest things to find and patch, but luckily they got it patched. Otherwise AMD drivers were great. There was no problems with other cards, or no more than with Nvidia. And AMD driver stack is much better in my opinion than Nvidia's ancient driver software (though the drivers are stable and well optimized). AMD drivers pretty much always get extra 5-10% vs. what Nvidia get after the launch. Nvidia puts lots of man power to get the drivers as optimized as possible on the launch, as the majority who buys graphics cards look the launch day benchmarks and base their decision on that. Now with RDNA2, which is one of the most radical architectural changes we have seen, I expect AMD to gain even more vs. Nvidia. With large cache, and multitier caching, there's better opportunities for optimization. I think 6800XT has already gained 10% more than 3080. And obviously AMD getting RDNA2 in consoles, and also on Samsung phones, will get games and engines optimized to RDNA2 more than before.
Luckily I managed to get a RX 6800 to replace the RX 5700 XT last year. But in all seriousness the 5700 XT was a very good card and i might have jumped too quickly.
@@Arjun-eb1yc Got it at MSRP $950 AUD from Melbourne supplier (Scorptec). I think they had a sale cancelled. I was checking multiple times a day. But yeah, the 5700XT was a good card I probably didn't need to replace so early. All that being said RX 6800 is a beast at MSRP. A lot of reviewers are saying that for the extra $70 get the RX 6800 XT. Problem is the difference now is more like $500+ not $70. Grab an RX 5700 XT if you can get it a reasonable price, as an upgrade. Was excellent at 1440p. Ramp up the fans though, through AMD software. Runs a little toasty.
@@deand681 Prices in Europe for a 6800 XT are already just 100-200 Euros over MSRP if you know where to look, that's not bad at all taking everything into consideration. If that is still too much for some, they can still wait, but waiting for "true MSRP" might mean 2022. Of course, that's still a guess anyway.
I did the same… Red Devil 5700XT to a Pulse 6800. I have no regrets though as I needed something to keep up at high refresh 1440p for my monitor. Plus the 6800 will keep being a good 1440p card well into the next couple years at least.
I knew I made the right decision by getting the 5700XT instead of the 2060s in late 2019. And now it performs much close to the 2070s. Good for me that I saved that 100$, great investment indeed.
ofc there was the issues with the drivers that plagued 5000 series for a whole year, so many people did not want to risk it (imo its understandable). personally i got a 5700 and put XT bios on it, saving 60 euros more, and only blackscreen i got was from enabling enchanced sync (which seems to be useless anyway as i dont play competitive) other than that i have less issues that i had with nvidia gpus
Scooped up at 5700xt right before everything went nuts last year. Replaced a Vega 64 that kicked the bucket at just the right time. The card has been great.
Same here. Red Devil 5700 XT for around $420 US. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440p with no problem and high frame rates. I mostly play VR games these days and it works perfectly. All my sim racing games running at 90 FPS all day. Considering the market, best investment I've ever made in the PC space.
Well 2 years ago, you basically threw a dice while buying the 5700 XT. Some people had no driver issues but they were still too common and quite a lot of people preferred to go the Nvidia route by paying the premium.
My friend kept a 5700 XT at launch for a week and a half and returned it due to driver issues and funny well sad enough... he had those issues on pretty much all his favorite games. He bought a 1080 Ti afterwards.
I meannn, like half the games they showed had DLSS but didn’t turn them on(which I understand). And with DLSS the 2060 would probably outperform the 5700xt
@@TheCocomunges Yeah true, just been playing red dead 2 at 4k DLSS Performance at 60fps (looks amazing at 4k but terrible at 1440p) I doubt that's achievable on the 5700xt
@@crawfordbrown75 I play quality DLSS at 1440p on all games that support it and it looks fine. At worst it’s similar to a bad execution of anti aliasing
@@TheCocomunges No, yeah at quality it's really good, but anything below isnt fantastic. At 4k however you can put it to ultra performance and its still quite hard to tell in a still picture. Infact, even though its meant for 8k, it's like black magic fuckery.
You never heard of FSR ???? , its gonna be in more games than dlss by end of the year , its pretty good already . Amd improve performance on RX GPUs year by year , but can't say for nvidia . Amd GPUs with more ram gonna be very handy , rx6800 16gb ram is better buy than rtx3070 8gb ram , or even rtx3089 10gb ram . in a year amd GPUs will be a head cause of more ram and optimising ( amd fine wine) . dlss will go down just like gsync and game works.
The performance of the RX 5700 XT is the reason why I knew Big Navi was going to be a beast, even when people were saying it would stand no chance against the RTX 3080. Case and point the the RX 6800 XT if available at MSRP is a steal, and will age well with its 16GB of V Ram.
Indeed, especially since the 5700 XT was a small die. How they even assumed AMD could not match 2080Ti +30% at least I don't know. Quite happy that AMD is back in the game. The 16GB is very handy when running games such as RE2/3 remakes at 6880x2880.
I'm not entirely too sure about more VRAM = more future proof, I'm not saying it doesn't help at all. We're just not sure if the future is exactly the way we think it's going to be. If someone told me 5 years ago that upscaling was going to be one of the most competitive things in gaming (as opposed to real time raytracing or better graphical fidelity in general) I wouldn't have believed them, yet here we are, with even the 1080Ti which was a mighty card at the time tying with GPUs in the mid range class even though it has 40% more VRAM.
agreed got mine in september 2020 cus i figured new ones would be hard to get paid 365$ for xfx 5700xt best decision i made over 500$ 2070 super minus 5-8% in performance on avg for almost 140$ cheaper
I feel like this would’ve been the more valid comparison. The 2060 super was in a weird place and probably one of the worst buys. 2060 vs 5600 would’ve made more sense as a comparison
@@Pewpshmear It wasn't a bad buy when it came out. It performed liked a 2070 and had the same amount and bandwidth of VRAM as 2080. You basically were getting a 2070 for $100 less.
Yeah, as far as i can remember, 5700xt was a gpu that went against the 2070 and s version... Since the prices were equal at the time were i live, i bought a 2070. 5700xt still a great card tho
@@Walhor honestly i never had software issues, Gigabyte 5700XT seemed to be the best card all around according to gamers nexus, but I've noticed optimisation in games and it's just a great card.
Meh, "Fine Wine Technology" is just hyperbole shade throwing for AMD giving you immature drivers at launch & then finally giving you the performance the card should of released with in the first place 2 years later.. Better late than never though and do commend AMD for keeping their older cards drivers relevant over the years, like oh yeah, sorry, "Fine Wine" .. 😏
the 5700xt during sep-nov 2020 was one of the greatest deals world wide. 310$ for a strix oc, and 320$ for a nitro+ for me in the states. My friend wound up getting the nitro
Loved my 5700XT while I had it. Love my 6800XT even more but these results don't surprise me at all. AMD cards have always aged better than their nVidia counterparts. Especially with the consoles being AMD based, they are getting more attention and optimizations
Wouldn't call it ''aged'' better but more like nvidia's cards go all out from the start whereas amd's cards do that near the middle or end of their life. But yeah, AMD's cards do age quite well.
@@siyzerix Yeah but when u have the AMD card matching them at the start and that's not the final form doesn't that basically mean that you get more value from AMD? if i'm at 100% potential with NVIDIA from the start and just matching the AMD counterpart, why would I want to keep my nvidia card?
@@randomyoutuber8227 I mean I remember the 1060 beat the rx480. And only now its on par. Same with the rtx 2070s. It beat the rx5700xt at the start but now its on par. Of course, this doesn't translate into laptops. The rx5600m and rx5500m are pieces of shit. Same with the rx560x. They don't really age well compared to their nvidia counterparts, they cannot be overclocked or undervolted easily, ran hotter and generally had horrendous drivers.
@@siyzerix the 2070Super was $500 though while the 5700XT was $400 so it was never supposed to be competing with that. Also the RX480 was cheaper than the gtx 1060($300/250) with the 4GB for $200 and the 8GB for $240 so they were better or equivalent value at the start and over time were definitely better value
Got my Gigabyte 5700xt around may in 2020. Best decision I made because it was before the massive inflation and no stock for a lot of GPUs, plus it runs like a dream
Got mine in august when the crazy prices didn't catch up yet in my country. At that time I was kinda questioning my purchase but now... God bless the 5700XT :)
Got the Pulse 5700XT in April 2020, planned to upgrade to a 6800XT/3080 in November and you know the rest. I've been very happy that I have this card since.
Hmmh, that is however discrediting DLSS which is kind of not a great move since you might as well just use the quality mode on resolutions from 1080p & up 🤔 Of course if you think it's not worth it that won't apply. Also CUDA is something some people may consider as well 🤷🏻♂️ (for those that do more than just gaming).
Sold my 5700 XT for 500 EUR in January 2021, expecting to buy a 3060 TI for a similar price maybe two months later. What I got (in April) is a stop-gap GTX 670 2 GB. It seems I not only need a new graphics card, but also a new crystal ball.
I could have sold my 5700XT, a card I'm barely using, during the stupid prices months (which really are ongoing). I did not for three reasons: 1) In today's environment, a decent backup card is more valuable than cash, 2) I don't want to add fuel to the GPU price inflation fire, and 3) It's not a highly prized version. A blower style 5700XT doesn't draw the same interest as, say, the Pulse or ROG version. This post reminds me of a fourth reason: I didn't fall prey to the summer of 2020 "selling my xxxx and getting a 3080" craze that left so many people in the sad position of having no GPU at all.
Yesterday, "Tech Deals" channel did a "garage sale" which basically can be summed up like this: "Hello and welcome to Scalper Deals, the place where we feel good about selling our used 1660Tis for 450USD or promote buying 2070s at 750 or 800 USD, let alone 2060 Super cards for 650 or 700 USD :). Now that our reputation is already hitting new lows, why not taking it any further! Oh and that s not all, have we mentioned you can only pay these scalper prices with crypto...Yay, that s true- we like to evade taxes as much as we can and we do all this for fun, so plz take your chance and buy from us NOW! Do you see this perma nodding lady next to me that has a history of being clueless about the main topics of this very channel but keeps nodding anyway?- Yeah well, she built 12+ gaming chairs regardless and dearly needs a dishwasher now so you better buy from Scalper Deals coz the others on Ebay are just worse...." And no, I m not joking, they did that for real!
@@asyam9526 Their youtube channel is called "Tech Deals" , just seen out of the 50ish comments of the vid I was referring to, less than 30 are visible. They shadow-ban lots of comments it seems as the reaction to their "garage sale" clearly didn t meet their expectations....
I kinda dont agree at all, i the price jump last gen was too much. a 5700X is 70 class level tech but its a lot more pricy than a 1070 or 1070 ti, mind you they originally wanted to launch it at $500 like the 2070 super. That said it definitely was the best deal of last gen, though driver issues really hurt it bad. Its the biggest reason i didnt go with it and just got a 2060 and decided to wait for ampere and RDNA2(lol bad move). I mean i wont lie i do prefer nvidia cause they have more going on than just rasterization performance, but i clearly dont have an issue with AMD considering i have a 3700X and recently a 6700 XT Merc lol. Got impatient and could sell my 2060 for $500 and buy a 6700 XT for $700 so i did. Couldnt justify spending 300 more for a 3070 or even 100 more for a way slower 3060
I love my 5700 XT, built my first system in May 2020 and so happy I went with it in my build. I undervolt it heavily and underclock it decently, while actually overclocking the vram, and achieve near stock performance but temps don't get nearly as high and my fan curve is much less aggressive, barely hear it spin up ever. Been playing FFIVX, not a super demanding game I know, but having FPS locked at 82 FPS at 1440p and not even using 100% of my GPU ever is really nice. Same for Rocket League at 1440p, I get 170FPS only using like 70% of the GPU, fans barely spin up. As for demanding games, with the resolution scaling slightly and customized settings I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 at over 70FPS in 1440p (Scaled up obviously) but was able to use higher quality settings and it looked amazing.
Still rocking my 5700XT, Red Dragon on water. Paired with a LG 27GL850 thanks to reviews from this channel. I tend to buy and hold my PC hardware until there's a significant upgrade to be had so I will likely be using the 5700XT for a few more years at least.
I was impressed with my red devil 5700XT and was mostly using it for 1440p gaming having previously been at 1080p for a long time. I did however upgrade recently to the red devil 6800XT after I brought a 4K HDR display and it romps! Nice to know I could sell it for as much as $700-800USD as in New Zealand that'd be over $1000NZD, and it cost me $800NZD when new, but I could make $200NZD profit selling it 2nd hand. You don't usually get more for 2nd hand. However I am not greedy and have decided to give my previous build to family for their kids benefit, because to get the 6800XT I had to buy a pre-built computer, which worked out to be exactly double the power all round of my previous build i.e cpu=2x gpu=2x ram is now 32gb when before I had 16gb, so I am pretty happy.
@@Deliverygirl What are you on about? The RX 5700XT matched it in performance for half the price. Leading the Radeon VII to be retired, just 5 months after launch.
@@Orcawhale1 Depends on what you use it for. The Radeon VII was, and to some extent still is, a fantastically cheap professional graphics card due to it's VEGA architecture.
@@Orcawhale1 So? That doesn't mean that the Radeon VII aged poorly in terms of performance, in fact it aged very well and even got better over time. Plus I sold mine for more than twice what I bought it for in 2019 and with all the fat crypto mining gains I made all the way. It also never gave me any issues with drivers or crashing. The RVII was also not retired because the 5700XT was better, but because it was a very limited production run of excess MI50 server cards.
Great review of these older cards...it did leave me feeling like the 5700xt should be compared to the 2070 Super though since the 2060 S was clearly outclassed by the 5700xt.
u mean 2070s? true around jul-nov they were selling at the 400-450$ price point as far as the flagship(red devil, strix oc, nitro+) 5700xts.....vs 2070s....and some still available 2070 non supers were running
Man.....I got a RTX 2060 in mid 2020...just a couple weeks before the rtx 30 series announcement, I thought I have made a big mistake wasting my money on the RTX 2060....but this video changed my mind, even though it is a RTX 2060 super....thank you.
@@weecious I'm not worried about it. It's the default fan curve set by AMD, and they say 90c is fine. If it was gonna hurt it, the card would be dead by now.
Buying a 5700xt in early 2020 was the best decision i made regarding gpus. I sold it close to $1300, almost exactly twice what i paid for it which was $650.
Im quite happy that i snagged a 2070S for 300 a day after 3080 announcement, atleast it will hold me over for another 1-2 years unlike my 970 which was struggling a lot.
You have the massive advantage of DLSS. No clue why they don't cover it more in here. Just a few words why they don't show it more, which is not close to real life usage. Half of the titles have DLSS 2.0 or newer which they looked at more in depth here.
@@monsieurmalt929 Is it because it's still barely in any games - just like FSR? After multiple years on the market now, we're up to something like 55-60 games that support DLSS(and small handful are still using 1.x, which might as well mean they don't support DLSS). That's NOTHING. As far as I'm aware, I still don't have a single game in my library that supports DLSS. Actually, I take that back - 'Mechwarrior 5' and 'Mount & Blade II' have gotten it now. And they both have such mediocre graphics that, well, what's the point? Use it if you have it of course; but the rest of us aren't missing out on much. Maybe M&BII sees a benefit with larger battles? I don't know, haven't played it in a year(trying to avoid getting burnt out before they even release it in full) so I don't know if they've made any big strides in performance with high unit count battles. Lets be real - you're an outlier if you have a lot of games that support DLSS. It's an incredible feature, but it's hardly a selling point if you don't play anything that features it. I mean 55-60 games over multiple years, that's nothing.
@@monsieurmalt929 DLSS for 1080p is useless though, which is what i am still running. But i guess its nice if you have to run a 4k monitor on a 2070 or 2060.
In HU's 5700XT launch review, the 5700XT had an average FPS of 100, vs the 87FPS of the 2060S and the 102FPS of the 2070S. The 2070(90FPS avg) was barely ahead of the $350 5700(88FPS avg)! Don't know why everyone slept on these cards at launch(SO MANY RTX BUILDS...), and why everyone is still sleeping on them. Even when they get credit, you still see the 5700XT talked about as "competing against the 2060S", when it just... ...isn't... Price point or not, it's just a different tier all together.
Sure buddy. Check the 3070 vs 6700xt benchmark, Nvidia wins by 10% and better features 😎😎😎 also the only games where 6700xt wins is borderlands and Valhalla which are amd sponsored 🤣🤣🤣🤣 3070 is way better, better architecture, better features, better performance. 6700xt relies on inconsistent clock speeds it's not even close lol
15% difference from the 5700 XT it might as well be a 2080 vs 2060 super comparison. that's not even on the same tier of performance now. Your predictions of the 5700 XT scaling over time were bang on, perhaps even modest looking at these results those who were even able to purchase a 5700 XT are going to feel like Legends right now.
Really great performance from Navi in non raytraced games. However I wouldn't undervalue the RTX2060 Super too much, it has great features (RTX, DLSS, CUDA, NVENC). Cards for different people considering it all, of course it is my opinion.
exactly DLSS and NVENC are the deal/maker for me. IF were talking strictly MSRP prices even with big navi and ampere......those will still ultimately be the determining factors.....then you add G-sync and nvidia reflex....for games like valorant/warzone/ etc future supported reflex titles....it furthers the wedge towards nvidia. Where as that aside big navi is QUITE ideal for AAA gaming or 4k gaming with "adaptive sync" as a major build aesthetic/use case....i find myself liking g-sync more for those twitch shooters and PVE hack n slashers that are very dodge/parry heavy....and racing sims/arcades
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I did get a 5800x, the extra speed in very nice and same goes for the clocks, I've pcie4 but for been honest doesn't show that much
@@davepianist84 It's because PCIE4 is like 1-2 faster than PCIE3. PCIE4 benefits from Gen4 NVME M.2 SSDs. But Gen3 NVME already does 3500mba read and 3200mbs writes which is way more than enough. PCIE4 is more of a marketing feature but in reality it does nothing for gamers.
Hey guys I appreciate the comparison, I just want to note here that it seems like you are comparing a Powercolor Red Devil 5700XT with a Msi Gaming (or gaming X, not sure) 2060 Super, the former being mid-high end and the latter being one of the slowest 2060 Supers on the market. I own an Aorus 2060 Super and obviously there is a difference in these models when you take in to account binning and OC/removal of power limits, but also there is some significant variation at their stock speeds. Just a disclaimer, I am not "team green" or anything, but a comparison between similarly statured cards could make for a more representative comparison. It's obvious the 5700XT would still be faster on average, but still the Gaming X has a core clock of 1695 (+45mhz) or 1650 (+0mhz) for the non X, whereas my Aorus has a core clock of 1845mhz (+195mhz). The Red Devil, similar to my Aorus, has significantly increased clocks over reference. This is all moot if the benchmarks are of the reference cards themselves, but it's just that you're showing the third party models throughout the testing phase. Forgive me if I missed some note about the exact models that were used.
I love this comparison thank you HUB for doing this!! I was very curious about this comparison as I have the 2060S myself. I bought my RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra probably 2 years ago by now, and back then I was debating whether to buy a sapphire 5700XT or the 2060 Super. In the end, I chose the 2060 Super because I use NVENC a lot and I use Nvidia's features quite a bit, so the loss in performance is actually worth it for me. But I want to say I'm really happy the 5700XT still is faster than the 2060 Super since it does have more raw horsepower. It's making me wonder if I should have just bit the bullet and went team red :P.
That MSI 2060S is also one of the most crippled one with only one 8-pin and only a 175W power limiter. But that's very impressive the RX 5700 XT seems like the better buy for sure.
I was one of the people that got the 5700 and would have loved it if it wasn't for the godawful drivers i returned and got a 2060 at the time. Its a shame as i really wanted to love that card but it was an utter nightmare.
It only took them like 2 months to iron out the bugs , mine played great out of the box , with only once giving me the black screen bug , i down graded drivers , let them alone for 2 months , and that was that , there wasnt really that much drama if you let it get to you , happens with all new architectures.
@@starkistuna Bro AMD pushed out a driver update in Sept. 2020 continuing to address the black screen issues. Driver version 20.9.1 if you want to see it for yourself. That was one of many driver fixes for that problem that persisted for well over a year.
I own a 5700xt nitro+, bought it when I was building my first computer back in august. The drivers have gotten way better and more stable. It plays all my games at 1080p144fps on ultra/extreme settings no problem, and even plays games at 4k60 ultra/extreme, the only bottleneck in that scenario is the amount of vram! Absolute beast of a card and super glad I didn’t buy a 2060 super for the same price.
Got my gb5700xt in late 2019 and it has been my best purchase in my PC building life! it has admittedly had issues with green screening, but it has consistently allowed me a to play 95% of games at max settings at 1080p
I've been SUPER (HA) happy with my 5700XT purchase when it came out. Great review and if you don't mind I'd like to reference this video in my reviews of the 5700XT I did.
While it took time to tune in my 5700 xt gotta say I've been very pleased with her, manual tuning and have her idling at 42-44C junction temp and stable.
@@razoo911 No it's not fine. I have a 1600 in my other rig and I used to have a 1700X in my main rig which bottlenecked 2060 Super 8GB and that's at 1440p. So at 1080p there will be a big bottleneck. The single core perfomance is not fast enough. The 3700X doesn't bottleneck 2060 Super 8GB. I got 20fps - 30fps boost in modern games at 1440p.
@@weecious thats why i said 5700xt but not nvidia gpu...on youtube try to find "nvidia has driver overhead problem" and you ll see what im talking about
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition at 1080p high settings with DLSS Quality, apart from few problem places I kept to my 75Hz target. Totally enjoyable experience so I guess I like these "heavy compromises" I made. Personally wouldn't trade it for a 5700 XT, but of course if you don't care about RT you have no reason to buy a GeForce card anyway since it's a feature you have to pay for regardless and in that case the 5700 XT is a clear choice.
Of course look at this Nvidia card that has these FPS in this particular game with this particular locked ecosystem feature that only works in 4 games 😅😂😅😅🤣😂...
@@sirab3ee198 mainly was referring to how RT on 2060 Super was dismissed in the video. It IS perfectly useable feature on the card, but of course requires adjusting setting down from the ultra everything is tested with. Personally I don't need more than 75 fps, I can achieve that with 2060 Super AND I get RT & DLSS. 5700 XT would offer no improvements for me but would lack features I was ready to pay for.
@@sirab3ee198 Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is a great demonstration of what can be done with raytracing today and for him it works and he is happy, try to play it on the 5700XT.
@@dampflokfreund it's not bias, at least not for specific company. It's more about used language and setting choices that probably work well for testing but fall flat when you start actually applying the results to a real use case. I have a 75Hz display, going over that offers me mostly nothing but these results (note, not HUB) suggest that 5700 XT is "20% better". It's not completely wrong, but it's not quite right either.
would be amazing to see a comparison beween the drivers used when the card was released and the most recent, this way we could know how much optimization these cards got with the time
Hi Hardware unboxed, I'm thinking of completing my first PC build and am thinking of either getting a 2060 super or 2070 (no super). Which one would you think I would get more FPS using in Fortnite. Also do different brands of the same model of a GPU matter, such as Galax vs MSI vs EVGA.
do you plan on making a streaming comparison at various bit rates between nvidia and amd gpus? it would be nice to see that content with the details and quality of this channel
DX12 helps AMD cards, Nvidia switched to software scheduling for DX11 which shifted power consumption to the CPU side and causes pipeline stalls and unless a title codes specifically for Async Compute it fails to utilise AMD GPUs fully. So rationally the AMD card ought to age better, doing 1440p native not targeting 4K reduces DLSS/FX FSR importance.
Basically with DLSS and DXR support the RTX 2060 is better. Most of the game benchmarks are not the ones people play. Looks at the steam list for most played games. A RTX 2060 will give you enough performance and you can play games like Metro Exodus enhanced edition which you cannot play on a 5700xt. DLSS improves performance and gives better image quality than FSR. The better DX12 support on the 2060 is the most important thing for newer games. Basically when mining cards get dumped. You get videos like a cheap 1060 or an AMD card, how it performs. Cards are being dumped atm. Take Doom Eternal, its A DXR game. There are other DXR games. You can play the game as intended on a RTX 2060 but you cant on a 5700xt.
@@GodKitty677 DLSS is irrelevant when you can play at 1440p native... YOu've got it round you neck on DX12 support, Nvidia encourage Vulkan, their cards get CPU bottle necked because they dropped async to do better in DX11 benchmarks. The MOST played games.. run fine on an 5700xt, they're generally made to run on anything even Intel gfx
@@RobBCactive Clearly AMD think its relevant with releasing FSR. Unreal Engine 5 think its relevant when they developed temporal upscaling before Nvidia. How about the list of DXR games that wont run the best on a 5700xt but will have full image quality on a RTX 2060? Amid Evil Battlefield V Bright Memory Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) Control Crysis Remastered Cyberpunk 2077 Deliver Us The Moon Dirt 5 Doom Eternal Everspace 2 Fortnite Ghostrunner Godfall Justice Lego: Builder's Journey Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition Minecraft Moonlight Blade Mortal Shell Observer: System Redux Pumpkin Jack Quake II RTX Resident Evil Village Ring Of Elysium Shadow of the Tomb Raider Stay in the Light The Fabled Woods The Medium The Persistence Watch Dogs Legion Wolfenstein: Youngblood World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands Wrench Xuan-Yuan Sword VII How about the future DXR games that will run poorly on the 5700xt? Atomic Heart Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora Boundary Dying: 1983 Dying Light 2 Enlisted Far Cry 6 F.I.S.T: Forged In Shadow Torch Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach Forza Horizon 5 Hitman 3 Icarus Justice Online JX Online 3 Ready Or Not Synced: Off-Planet Stalker 2 The Ascent The Riftbreaker The Witcher III: Complete Edition Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 SO how does metro exodus enhanced edition run on your 5700xt?
i've brought an 5600xt, upgrading from a 1050ti, before the silicon crisis and over everyone talking "amd drivers sucks, dont buy it" i never had any problem with drivers and now i'm very happy playing with a gpu that i paid the same of an 1050ti price today and FSR is just the icing on the cake
Honestly, i am still so surprised by my Oc'd Vega 56 + Vega 64 bios flash playing medium/high 1440p 144hz. It comes handy in winter to heat up the room as well
I loved my Red Devil 5700xt! I had no hiccups or problems with drivers when I first got it I'm 2019. I got it for 410 usd too. I upgraded to a 3080 for 780usd (including tax) and gave my Red Devil to my brother. Such a good card. I recently bought a 3060 for my little cousins build. And man 540usd was totally not worth it. But cards are so rare to find at a store I had to buy it.
Now test them with DLSS and Raytracing, oh wait... My take is that when testing "old" hardware to see how they have aged is important to check not just raw performance, but features. A 2060 super will easily keep playing some games using DLSS. Not just that on a 2060 super you can play metro exodus ENHANCED edition but you can't on a 5700xt no matter how fast it is. on a 2060 super you can play any raytraced game with decent resolution and framerate thanks to DLSS, you can't on a rx 5700
@@Safetytrousers Well yeah because FSR just came out vs DLSS has a head start. Give that same time frame for FSR and then compare. Plus, FSR is also on Consoles, so compatibility comes into play. Any updates for FSR or any games has FSR, both console and PC(AMD as well as Nvidia) will benefit from it. 5700xt became more of a beast of a card that Turing can’t catch up or Nvidia won’t bother updating. DLSS can only do so much
I regret selling my 5700xt red Devil. I have purchased multiple 30 series cards since then, but the red Devil was such a good looking card that performed beastly.
Love watching all the benchmarks guys but I feel like you are missing out on one. You always test using with as high settings as possible, but how about a competitive settings benchmark of multiplayer games (that are benchable)?
Those settings don't show what GPU are capable of and if DLSS was used in this benchmark video then there would be a big difference from a 2060. They would be on par with each other plus RTX 2060 Super has a really beastly encoder.
Sure, the 480 and 580 were good and are now legendary GPU's, but they were mid range cards, the 5700XT really brought Radeon back towards the high end :)
Surprisingly, that was the EXACT same 5700XT I got, the Red Devil, and the MSI Gaming X was the GeForce RTX 2060 Super I almost considered... You're creeping me out Steve!!! 🤪👍 Love it! I've been using mine for roughly about 10 months and it's seriously a great card, and feels so different from AMD of the past where drivers were really still carrying the ATi curse. I've even done testing where I was getting RTX 2070 and 2080 level performance. Plus, I got 3 games with my 5700XT and Ryzen 7 3700X combo. Totally worth it. No regrets!
Well, another proof of the AMD fine wine at work, if only the 5700XT was as good as this at launch without the Driver, issues things would have been different, and since the 5700XT mines like a champ, it's really really overpriced right now.
I always felt the 5700XT was more competition with the 2070 Super. When I was buying my 5700XT, that's the metric I used. Are you maybe considering comparing to the 2070S? The 5700XT was just slightly behind the 2070S and I wonder if it's better now instead of being behind.
Anecdotally, 90% or more of the non-mining graphics card use cases in the world today are all about rasterization performance. Not ray tracing. Not artificial resolution enhancement. Not video encoding or streaming capability. So comparing raster to raster is the right way to do it, and clearly, the 5700XT hands the 2060S a serious thrashing.
i think AI Upscaling like DLSS will be more usefull in the future then now, immagine with 8k resolution what amount of power will we need, i don't know if gpu can grow that stronger in the future permitting both high resolution and always more image details. I mean look at the 3080 and 6800, they are amazing gpu, but are huge and consume a lot for power..
@@wolniacha_tv i'm not doing a VS like a fan boy, i don't care AMD or NVIDIA, i'm looking for the tecnology, and will we need some sort of AI upscaling in the future, maybe not in the gpu but external in the monitor, just saying... immagine you don't have to care what resolution your gpu can handle because everything will be automatically upscaled without losing a single detail. I think it will be perfect.
Being a casual gamer, I still have my ASUS "Dual EVO OC edition" 2060 Super (together with a R7 3700X), and I'll be keeping for a long time, seeing how much a new card costs.
Very good as time goes by at 5700 xt it seems to get better and better and with the implementation of the FSR in the games it will run practically everything in 4k above 30 fps and depending on the game until close to 60fps. Great.
Yes it was, but then Nvidia released the Super line up and AMD dropped the prices (the famous "Jebaited!" meme from AMD), at the end both the 2060 Super and 5700XT were 399$.
Nvidia nerved RTX 2000 series drivers to make RTX 3000 series GPUs look so much faster. Nvidia always does shady shit. At least RTX 2060 Super has a DLSS support without even requiring Ray Tracing. But that's still pretty messed up on Nvidia's side. Just greedy company that just wants people to buy their new GPUs. I'm not even surprised... Nvidia keeps on being shady. Looks like, I'll probably get an RX 7000 series GPU. I'm done being screwed years down the road by Nvidia... same BS everytime. I mean... one example is same thing happened with Vega and recently they re-released RTX 2060 (non Super) a year and a half later for $600. Good job Nvidia on ripping people off and THEY KNOW, they can get away with it since there are no RTX 3000 series to buy unless you want to pay triple or quadruple for RTX 3000 GPUs.
I upgraded from a GTX 970 Strix to RX 5700 XT pulse back in January 2020 .... i bought it for 30,000 INR (400 $ US) and it and i believe i made a good decision
@@odizzido I guess it really depends on what games you play. I’ve played plenty of RT and/or DLSS enabled games since I got my RTX 2070 in 2019 (Cyberpunk 2077, Metro: Exodus, Control, Black Ops: Cold War, Shadow of the Tomb Raider), but if you don’t play big AAA games, then it’s easy to see how you wouldn’t have played anything that supports either. Even then, RT is a bit of a mixed bag depending on how it’s implemented. Some games, like Cyberpunk, Control, and Metro use RT to great effect and in a way that improves the visual experience in a big way. Others, like Cold War or Tomb Raider, have lacklustre implementations that aren’t discernibly different from the purely rasterized version. Generally, I find that ray traced global illumination (used in Cyberpunk and Metro: Exodus) always makes a game look much better, but RT shadows (used in Call of Duty and Tomb Raider) generally aren’t noticeable (unless you’re stopping to stare at them closely) and you might as well just leave them off and take the extra frames. RT reflections (seen in games like Cyberpunk, Control and Battlefield V) are more of a mixed bag and depends on the aesthetic of the game. In games like Control and Cyberpunk (to a lesser extent) where there are lots of reflective surfaces across the environment, it can be very noticeable. In a game like Battlefield V, it tends to fade into the background and not be worth the performance hit. That’s just my opinion though.
There are still only 55-60 games that support DLSS, and even less that support RT(and, BTW, LTT has a video blind testing people to see if they could notice the difference between RT on and off - basically everyone failed to notice the difference, soooo). That's literally insignificant, that would be insignificant in the console market, nevermind the absolutely massive PC market. It's not even a drop in the back; it's an ant tear drop. If you play games that support it a lot, then you would probably be dumb not to get an RTX card. And, if you don't, you would probably be dumb not to get the faster RX cards. With only 55-60 games over a couple years, how many of those do people actually have in their library? Is it worth giving up performance in games that don't support DLSS just to gain performance in the handful of games that support DLSS? That's a hard argument to make.
Almost got myself the RTX 2060 last year, because at the time it was still ~USD400. All of the sudden, all sellers listed it as "no stock" and a week later, the 2060 was restock and sold at ~USD600 instead. Still mad about it as I actually saved my money to upgrade my GPU. Guess I'll stick with my RX 580 still.
Also I haven had 2060 Super since launch and zero problems with drivers so that's another plus. But I do feel like Nvidia nerved RTX 2000 series drivers to make RTX 3000 look like they're much faster.
My XFX 5700Xt is a beast, I get on avg of 125 fps in 1440P in warzone all the time, great card, when compared number to all my frnds I see that my card is close to 2080 in all the games.
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the Nvidia GTX 1650 4GB is looking like the price to performance option more and more everyday, thoughts?
@@lliamthrumble GTX 1650 Super, YES and if you already bought it when it was $169. But if you are talking about the non-Super, forget it, that one is a JOKE. Even Steve panned that card, look it up.
Right now, you might as well wait for NVIDIA & AMD to come down the pike with an entry level Ampere/RDNA2 GPUs, as these old cards are not being stocked and thus are being driven by scalpers looking to screw the inexperienced out of their money.
@@vh9network got the gddr6 super version, but Steve also panned that card as well after retesting it. I'm just thinking that now it must be a monster good card for price to performance :)
Do a 1660 super aging along those couple years.
@@lliamthrumble he didn't really pan the Super version, there's more videos where Steve ought right praises the Super over the Non-Super and why he holds the line on ever recommended the non-Super because it's a stupid release.
Nowadays the GTX 1650 Super, which I have also, the Gigabyte OC one, to me it's the same as it was since release. I wouldn't buy it today because there's a good chance you are going pay scalper price over it's suggested retail price of $169.
Might as well wait to when NVIDIA puts out a RTX 3050 line of cards, or AMD release the RX 6500 line of cards, those will be MSRP, versus the older generation cards that are not being re-stock, not being produced, and if available are in 2nd 3rd hand markets being scalped.
Upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RX 5700 XT in August 2020, just before things turned ugly. Still had doubts whether it was worth it.
In hindsight, it totally was.
Same but I RMA’d mine and went back to a 1070 because the HDMI audio stopped working! Haha
Me too. Crazy eh. At the time, there was already some rumbling that there would be very limited availability for the next generation of gpus, but I never thought we'd see anything like this.
I really wonder what kind of customer is willing to pay these prices.
Yes! I was hesitant last October, missed out on the 5700xt and had to wait till a recent sale for a 6700xt.
It's a very nicely built over-engineered card but far worse value.
Lol, it's like night and day.
@@RobBCactive RX 6700 XT is a great card, though I went with the RTX 3070, but to be honest if you don’t play in 4k these cards push out so much frame rate, not just scratching the top of the 60 fps. More like sometimes top of the 150-200 fps.
Custom content just for me!!! These are the GPUs I put in the last two builds I did in May of 2020. The 5700XT is mine and the 2060Super is my sons.
You must really hate your son lol
@@jay-5061 Not at all. In fact the original plan was for both of us to have 2060s but at the last minute I decided to hackintosh mine and that meant an AMD GPU. The day we went to get the last parts for the builds our local Microcenter had a 2060Super open box for $385 so I grabbed it. Someone had "returned" it without the SLI Bridge. I had no plans on SLI so what did I care.
Despite the performance boost of the 5700XT I wish I had access to DLSS, Broadcast, and Studio. Yes AMD has some software that is equivalent but its not as good.
Im not unhappy with my 5700XT at all but I have had more than one WTF moment with AMD drivers and software while I have never had an issue with Nvidia drivers.
@@WildkatPhoto I also have a 5700 XT, and the only thing I want from an amd gpu is a better encoder that is around the same speed/quality as nvidia’s. Otherwise I’ve really enjoyed it
@@jay-5061 ???
@@WildkatPhoto if I may ask, why did you pick the 2060 super over the 2060 KO considering the big cost difference but low improvement?
Gotta say, my 5700 xt is still going very well for how much it cost. Solid buy in hindsight
Ooh yeah, even more so for those of us who bought 5700 and bios flashed it to 5700xt levels. that is some serious value
It looks like it's gonna be another RX 480 with that one!
Same. I upgraded 2 years ago from a gtx 1660 and regretted the money spent for a couple months....then the gpu apocalypse happened and it became the best timed pc upgrade I've ever bought in my life.
what did you up grade it to!
Same here, got the red devil version and had a bit of regret when the specs of the new stuff leaked, but its really damn good for its price, especially after the GPU Apocolypse occurred
Sailing right through the silicon crisis with my trusty 5700XT bought in 2019.
Best investment I've ever made.
Dang bro, you need to talk to a financial advisor if a graphics card is the best investment you've ever made. lol
@@The_Chad_ i mean it payed off
Bought RX5700 (non-xt) back in may 2020, right before prices goes up in my country. Still rocking. Even mine eth a little.
I sold mine in January for $1100, then for $300 extra I bought a 6800xt. Strange times we live(ed) in.
My RX 5700 XT was definitely the Best investment I've ever made, i bought it in 2019 for £400 and sold it one month ago for £800 and bought a Powercolor Red Devil RX 6800 XT with the proceeds made!
There was a lot of drama about drivers when the 5700xt launched. With those fixes, and the insane video card market, 5700xt was a perfect buy!
Unless you had a blower card or crappy ASROCK card.
Unless you want to render content
@@Happiness-lp9fw AMD GPUs render content pretty well. I edit videos on my 5700 and my uncle uses a 580 for animation. Uses multiple renderers, and honestly, the experience is great. No complains.
Tbh I had more driver issues with my RX 480 than my 5700XT, my RX 480 was always almost always unstable even undervolted and under clocked. My 5700XT runs like a champ.
Its a shame thiy didnt fix shit, mine keeps crashing in most games
Very happy with my Sapphire Pulse 5700XT
Also very happy with my Sapphire Pulse 5700 (with XT bios)
Same loving mine bought a 5500xt to replace a 580 solid buy as well before the big short
@@Drdirtydee not big performance difference
@@reyjerr4086 it was for “efficiency”
@@Drdirtydee but not great value
It's insane to me that around the time AMD was having driver issues with the 5000 series, 5700xts were going for as little as $360 new.
Whats weird about that? Ofc unstable product will drop in price. The drivers were insanely bad. I upgraded my 1060 6 gb to 5700 and i returned it after 2 weeks. They offered me nvidia 2000 GPUs but i refused since i think they were bad buy compared to pascal in terms of price to performance. But yea, AMD drivers were atrocious. Still running 1060 6gb paired with ryzen 2700x. Its fine for 1080p monitor that i have. Will wait for normal prices and probably go with 3060ti or 3070 and get new 1440p monitor. But yea, nothing surprising about 5000 series dropping that low when a lot of people had problems with them and for a looooong time. It took AMD almost a year to iron out most of the problems.
@@NovaDoll it was really bad. AMD fanboys are like "but i never had problem so its just haters". Drivers alone ruined 5000 series which was really bad move from AMD since rtx 2000 series didnt bring that much more performance compared to pascal. If AMD for once had normal drivers, they would have been great with sales in last gen. Ah well. I am glad i could even return the GPU. Last gen was disappointing from both AMD and Nvidia. These new gen GPUs look solid but miners and scalpers are killing us. We will have to wait half a year at least.
The drivers were not the reason. There was hardware level bug that the drivers finally fixed. Random hardware level occurrence is one of the hardest things to find and patch, but luckily they got it patched.
Otherwise AMD drivers were great. There was no problems with other cards, or no more than with Nvidia. And AMD driver stack is much better in my opinion than Nvidia's ancient driver software (though the drivers are stable and well optimized).
AMD drivers pretty much always get extra 5-10% vs. what Nvidia get after the launch. Nvidia puts lots of man power to get the drivers as optimized as possible on the launch, as the majority who buys graphics cards look the launch day benchmarks and base their decision on that. Now with RDNA2, which is one of the most radical architectural changes we have seen, I expect AMD to gain even more vs. Nvidia. With large cache, and multitier caching, there's better opportunities for optimization. I think 6800XT has already gained 10% more than 3080. And obviously AMD getting RDNA2 in consoles, and also on Samsung phones, will get games and engines optimized to RDNA2 more than before.
That's when I got mine
imagine, that people were willing to pay an extra $40 to get a gpu that actually worked and had nvenc.
Luckily I managed to get a RX 6800 to replace the RX 5700 XT last year. But in all seriousness the 5700 XT was a very good card and i might have jumped too quickly.
I’d like to do that myself but am waiting for MSRP to be a thing again.
Well great if you got one at decent price. Though if I were you I would have waited for RDNA 3.
@@Arjun-eb1yc Got it at MSRP $950 AUD from Melbourne supplier (Scorptec). I think they had a sale cancelled. I was checking multiple times a day. But yeah, the 5700XT was a good card I probably didn't need to replace so early. All that being said RX 6800 is a beast at MSRP. A lot of reviewers are saying that for the extra $70 get the RX 6800 XT. Problem is the difference now is more like $500+ not $70. Grab an RX 5700 XT if you can get it a reasonable price, as an upgrade. Was excellent at 1440p. Ramp up the fans though, through AMD software. Runs a little toasty.
@@deand681 Prices in Europe for a 6800 XT are already just 100-200 Euros over MSRP if you know where to look, that's not bad at all taking everything into consideration. If that is still too much for some, they can still wait, but waiting for "true MSRP" might mean 2022. Of course, that's still a guess anyway.
I did the same… Red Devil 5700XT to a Pulse 6800. I have no regrets though as I needed something to keep up at high refresh 1440p for my monitor. Plus the 6800 will keep being a good 1440p card well into the next couple years at least.
I knew I made the right decision by getting the 5700XT instead of the 2060s in late 2019. And now it performs much close to the 2070s. Good for me that I saved that 100$, great investment indeed.
Yeah same here. I'm definitely keeping mine for a long while longer.
ofc there was the issues with the drivers that plagued 5000 series for a whole year, so many people did not want to risk it (imo its understandable). personally i got a 5700 and put XT bios on it, saving 60 euros more, and only blackscreen i got was from enabling enchanced sync (which seems to be useless anyway as i dont play competitive) other than that i have less issues that i had with nvidia gpus
5700XT was more expensive than 2060 Super most places, 2070 was the true competitor price/perf not to mention many of these games have DLSS
even at launch was closed to 2070s and even faster at 1080p i think now its a bit faster
@@razoo911 it beaten the 2080ti in Forza
Scooped up at 5700xt right before everything went nuts last year. Replaced a Vega 64 that kicked the bucket at just the right time. The card has been great.
Same here. Red Devil 5700 XT for around $420 US. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440p with no problem and high frame rates. I mostly play VR games these days and it works perfectly. All my sim racing games running at 90 FPS all day. Considering the market, best investment I've ever made in the PC space.
Well 2 years ago, you basically threw a dice while buying the 5700 XT. Some people had no driver issues but they were still too common and quite a lot of people preferred to go the Nvidia route by paying the premium.
I sell my 5700xt twice. And also have to pay premium for working NVidia card.
My friend kept a 5700 XT at launch for a week and a half and returned it due to driver issues and funny well sad enough... he had those issues on pretty much all his favorite games. He bought a 1080 Ti afterwards.
I lucked into a relatively cheap 2060s, from a 5600xt. I love dlss, but honestly the 5700xt is just a beast of its time and aged so well.
I meannn, like half the games they showed had DLSS but didn’t turn them on(which I understand). And with DLSS the 2060 would probably outperform the 5700xt
@@TheCocomunges Yeah true, just been playing red dead 2 at 4k DLSS Performance at 60fps (looks amazing at 4k but terrible at 1440p)
I doubt that's achievable on the 5700xt
@@crawfordbrown75 I play quality DLSS at 1440p on all games that support it and it looks fine. At worst it’s similar to a bad execution of anti aliasing
@@TheCocomunges No, yeah at quality it's really good, but anything below isnt fantastic. At 4k however you can put it to ultra performance and its still quite hard to tell in a still picture. Infact, even though its meant for 8k, it's like black magic fuckery.
You never heard of FSR ???? , its gonna be in more games than dlss by end of the year , its pretty good already . Amd improve performance on RX GPUs year by year , but can't say for nvidia .
Amd GPUs with more ram gonna be very handy , rx6800 16gb ram is better buy than rtx3070 8gb ram , or even rtx3089 10gb ram . in a year amd GPUs will be a head cause of more ram and optimising ( amd fine wine) . dlss will go down just like gsync and game works.
The performance of the RX 5700 XT is the reason why I knew Big Navi was going to be a beast, even when people were saying it would stand no chance against the RTX 3080. Case and point the the RX 6800 XT if available at MSRP is a steal, and will age well with its 16GB of V Ram.
Indeed, especially since the 5700 XT was a small die. How they even assumed AMD could not match 2080Ti +30% at least I don't know. Quite happy that AMD is back in the game. The 16GB is very handy when running games such as RE2/3 remakes at 6880x2880.
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Right now rdna 2 is a really bad buy.
The xfx merc and red devil 6800 xt are both in the $1500 to $1600 range.
That’s crazy!
I'm not entirely too sure about more VRAM = more future proof, I'm not saying it doesn't help at all. We're just not sure if the future is exactly the way we think it's going to be.
If someone told me 5 years ago that upscaling was going to be one of the most competitive things in gaming (as opposed to real time raytracing or better graphical fidelity in general) I wouldn't have believed them, yet here we are, with even the 1080Ti which was a mighty card at the time tying with GPUs in the mid range class even though it has 40% more VRAM.
Got my Asrock Gaming 6900xt for 1300, guess I was lucky. Had a lot of fun with it so I don't mind paying that considering current prices...
5700xt is still going strong.
One of my best purchases
Agreed!
agreed got mine in september 2020 cus i figured new ones would be hard to get paid 365$ for xfx 5700xt best decision i made over 500$ 2070 super minus 5-8% in performance on avg for almost 140$ cheaper
@@zackmandarino1021 actually the 5700xt is now 1% faster then 2070 super lol
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@@saputrasaputra3347 exactly,best purchase i made
Glad you periodically test the 5700 XT it’s my card after all :) hope we get a 5700 XT vs 2070 S update soon
They wont do it.
2070s will be even to +15%
I feel like this would’ve been the more valid comparison. The 2060 super was in a weird place and probably one of the worst buys. 2060 vs 5600 would’ve made more sense as a comparison
That is it's true competitor as 5700XT is supposed to be a cheaper 2070S. I gladly paid for the 2070s for $100 more and still is glad now.
@@Pewpshmear It wasn't a bad buy when it came out. It performed liked a 2070 and had the same amount and bandwidth of VRAM as 2080. You basically were getting a 2070 for $100 less.
I allways compare the 5700XT with the 2070 Super. Had the 5700XT and it was a great card!
yeah but it does make more sense to go by price
On the performance yes, 2070 or 2070s. But on price it was similar to 2060s back in 2019.
Amd software suck ass tho, sold the 67xt for 3070ti a few weeks ago
Yeah, as far as i can remember, 5700xt was a gpu that went against the 2070 and s version... Since the prices were equal at the time were i live, i bought a 2070. 5700xt still a great card tho
@@那人冷靜一點 good imagination lol
5700 XT still stomping the competition, great investment indeed
How much performance did you roughly gain over the years? I heard the software improvements made it good
@@Walhor honestly i never had software issues, Gigabyte 5700XT seemed to be the best card all around according to gamers nexus, but I've noticed optimisation in games and it's just a great card.
Especially if you bought one (or any RDNA1 card tbh) for mining/gaming 😏
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Meh, "Fine Wine Technology" is just
hyperbole shade throwing for AMD giving you immature drivers at launch & then finally giving you the performance the card should of released with in the first place 2 years later.. Better late than never though and do commend AMD for keeping their older cards drivers relevant over the years, like oh yeah, sorry, "Fine Wine" .. 😏
This is gonna be a battle?
Wow look at how powercolor stole the flow through cooler design and travelled back in time to implement on older cards.
I did buy my RX5700xt Power Color Red Devil for 250€ when everyone started panic selling their GPUs on Ebay. I am still happy with my buy.
the 5700xt during sep-nov 2020 was one of the greatest deals world wide. 310$ for a strix oc, and 320$ for a nitro+ for me in the states. My friend wound up getting the nitro
Loved my 5700XT while I had it. Love my 6800XT even more but these results don't surprise me at all. AMD cards have always aged better than their nVidia counterparts. Especially with the consoles being AMD based, they are getting more attention and optimizations
Consoles being rdna2 based and zen2 will help lots of pc gamers to have taste of that fine wine
Wouldn't call it ''aged'' better but more like nvidia's cards go all out from the start whereas amd's cards do that near the middle or end of their life. But yeah, AMD's cards do age quite well.
@@siyzerix Yeah but when u have the AMD card matching them at the start and that's not the final form doesn't that basically mean that you get more value from AMD? if i'm at 100% potential with NVIDIA from the start and just matching the AMD counterpart, why would I want to keep my nvidia card?
@@randomyoutuber8227 I mean I remember the 1060 beat the rx480. And only now its on par. Same with the rtx 2070s. It beat the rx5700xt at the start but now its on par.
Of course, this doesn't translate into laptops. The rx5600m and rx5500m are pieces of shit. Same with the rx560x. They don't really age well compared to their nvidia counterparts, they cannot be overclocked or undervolted easily, ran hotter and generally had horrendous drivers.
@@siyzerix the 2070Super was $500 though while the 5700XT was $400 so it was never supposed to be competing with that. Also the RX480 was cheaper than the gtx 1060($300/250) with the 4GB for $200 and the 8GB for $240 so they were better or equivalent value at the start and over time were definitely better value
I've loved my sapphire 5700xt since I got it!
RDNA1 has always punched above it's weight. But I've always considered the 2070S as the 5700XT's competition, even though it was $100 more.
Got my Gigabyte 5700xt around may in 2020. Best decision I made because it was before the massive inflation and no stock for a lot of GPUs, plus it runs like a dream
Got mine in august when the crazy prices didn't catch up yet in my country. At that time I was kinda questioning my purchase but now... God bless the 5700XT :)
Got the Pulse 5700XT in April 2020, planned to upgrade to a 6800XT/3080 in November and you know the rest. I've been very happy that I have this card since.
Should be given an award of "Finest Wine Brewed"
That award should go to the RX 580. It's showing its age but it's still capable of 1080p 60fps at Ultra or High settings.
Wine is vinified, not brewed.
From 9% to 15% gap, yep this is FineWine™ all over again
Hmmh, that is however discrediting DLSS which is kind of not a great move since you might as well just use the quality mode on resolutions from 1080p & up 🤔
Of course if you think it's not worth it that won't apply.
Also CUDA is something some people may consider as well 🤷🏻♂️ (for those that do more than just gaming).
@@MLWJ1993 I'm sure your comment was meant for someone else not mine.
@@erlienfrommars Uhh, youtube quirck I guess, this wasn't replied to you 100% certain of that 😆🤦♂️
@@MLWJ1993 haha no probs
Sold my 5700 XT for 500 EUR in January 2021, expecting to buy a 3060 TI for a similar price maybe two months later. What I got (in April) is a stop-gap GTX 670 2 GB. It seems I not only need a new graphics card, but also a new crystal ball.
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I could have sold my 5700XT, a card I'm barely using, during the stupid prices months (which really are ongoing). I did not for three reasons: 1) In today's environment, a decent backup card is more valuable than cash, 2) I don't want to add fuel to the GPU price inflation fire, and 3) It's not a highly prized version. A blower style 5700XT doesn't draw the same interest as, say, the Pulse or ROG version. This post reminds me of a fourth reason: I didn't fall prey to the summer of 2020 "selling my xxxx and getting a 3080" craze that left so many people in the sad position of having no GPU at all.
i just looked up used RX 5700 XT here/hun/ its around 900 eur...hoping to replace my rx570 looking smth worth to upgrade but seems still hopeless/
That RTX tax man. The 2060s and honestly the 20 series cards we're horrible value
Yesterday, "Tech Deals" channel did a "garage sale" which basically can be summed up like this:
"Hello and welcome to Scalper Deals, the place where we feel good about selling our used 1660Tis for 450USD or promote buying 2070s at 750 or 800 USD, let alone 2060 Super cards for 650 or 700 USD :). Now that our reputation is already hitting new lows, why not taking it any further! Oh and that s not all, have we mentioned you can only pay these scalper prices with crypto...Yay, that s true- we like to evade taxes as much as we can and we do all this for fun, so plz take your chance and buy from us NOW! Do you see this perma nodding lady next to me that has a history of being clueless about the main topics of this very channel but keeps nodding anyway?- Yeah well, she built 12+ gaming chairs regardless and dearly needs a dishwasher now so you better buy from Scalper Deals coz the others on Ebay are just worse...."
And no, I m not joking, they did that for real!
True, but in hindsight, 2000 series buyers are the ones laughing now
@@nonamenameless5495 I remember watching some of his videos, they were pretty good a few years ago. What a shame
@@nonamenameless5495 Tech what?
@@asyam9526 Their youtube channel is called "Tech Deals" , just seen out of the 50ish comments of the vid I was referring to, less than 30 are visible. They shadow-ban lots of comments it seems as the reaction to their "garage sale" clearly didn t meet their expectations....
5700XT absolute fantastic GPU in 2019 for 400$
In my opinion the 5700xt is just a little below the 1080ti in best bargains ever.
considering it's much cheaper, i'm tempted to say it's an even better deal
I kinda dont agree at all, i the price jump last gen was too much. a 5700X is 70 class level tech but its a lot more pricy than a 1070 or 1070 ti, mind you they originally wanted to launch it at $500 like the 2070 super. That said it definitely was the best deal of last gen, though driver issues really hurt it bad. Its the biggest reason i didnt go with it and just got a 2060 and decided to wait for ampere and RDNA2(lol bad move). I mean i wont lie i do prefer nvidia cause they have more going on than just rasterization performance, but i clearly dont have an issue with AMD considering i have a 3700X and recently a 6700 XT Merc lol. Got impatient and could sell my 2060 for $500 and buy a 6700 XT for $700 so i did. Couldnt justify spending 300 more for a 3070 or even 100 more for a way slower 3060
I love my 5700 XT, built my first system in May 2020 and so happy I went with it in my build. I undervolt it heavily and underclock it decently, while actually overclocking the vram, and achieve near stock performance but temps don't get nearly as high and my fan curve is much less aggressive, barely hear it spin up ever.
Been playing FFIVX, not a super demanding game I know, but having FPS locked at 82 FPS at 1440p and not even using 100% of my GPU ever is really nice. Same for Rocket League at 1440p, I get 170FPS only using like 70% of the GPU, fans barely spin up. As for demanding games, with the resolution scaling slightly and customized settings I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 at over 70FPS in 1440p (Scaled up obviously) but was able to use higher quality settings and it looked amazing.
My 5700XT went up in value and FPS. I'm happy!
Still rocking my 5700XT, Red Dragon on water. Paired with a LG 27GL850 thanks to reviews from this channel. I tend to buy and hold my PC hardware until there's a significant upgrade to be had so I will likely be using the 5700XT for a few more years at least.
I used a r9 270 2gb right up till last year when i switched to a rx 5600xt (cheapest asrock model) works wonders, high performance
I was impressed with my red devil 5700XT and was mostly using it for 1440p gaming having previously been at 1080p for a long time. I did however upgrade recently to the red devil 6800XT after I brought a 4K HDR display and it romps! Nice to know I could sell it for as much as $700-800USD as in New Zealand that'd be over $1000NZD, and it cost me $800NZD when new, but I could make $200NZD profit selling it 2nd hand. You don't usually get more for 2nd hand. However I am not greedy and have decided to give my previous build to family for their kids benefit, because to get the 6800XT I had to buy a pre-built computer, which worked out to be exactly double the power all round of my previous build i.e cpu=2x gpu=2x ram is now 32gb when before I had 16gb, so I am pretty happy.
AMD GPUs always aging like fine wine...
Fury X, Fury and Radeon VII says hi
@@Dr.WhetFarts Radeon VII has aged very well, what are you on about.
@@Deliverygirl What are you on about? The RX 5700XT matched it in performance for half the price.
Leading the Radeon VII to be retired, just 5 months after launch.
@@Orcawhale1 Depends on what you use it for. The Radeon VII was, and to some extent still is, a fantastically cheap professional graphics card due to it's VEGA architecture.
@@Orcawhale1 So? That doesn't mean that the Radeon VII aged poorly in terms of performance, in fact it aged very well and even got better over time. Plus I sold mine for more than twice what I bought it for in 2019 and with all the fat crypto mining gains I made all the way. It also never gave me any issues with drivers or crashing.
The RVII was also not retired because the 5700XT was better, but because it was a very limited production run of excess MI50 server cards.
Great review of these older cards...it did leave me feeling like the 5700xt should be compared to the 2070 Super though since the 2060 S was clearly outclassed by the 5700xt.
I think he compares it to the 2060S based on their msrp. If both were selling for $400, then were direct competiors.
Yes, the 2070 Super is about 10% faster than RX 5700 XT but it used to cost about $200.00 more.
@@JesusCabelloSchomburg
They’re now pretty much identical, though.
@@HOONICAT after how many years tho?
@@jediii86 Hows Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition on the 5700XT? Oh wait, it can't run it at all.
I gotta ask, did you ever finish playing any of the games that you benchmarked?
Got my 5700xt from best buy for 379.99 in 2019 and it's been amazing.
It would be interesting to check how the 5700xt aged compared to the 2070 super considering how similar the 2 GPUs are
u mean 2070s? true around jul-nov they were selling at the 400-450$ price point as far as the flagship(red devil, strix oc, nitro+) 5700xts.....vs 2070s....and some still available 2070 non supers were running
Man.....I got a RTX 2060 in mid 2020...just a couple weeks before the rtx 30 series announcement, I thought I have made a big mistake wasting my money on the RTX 2060....but this video changed my mind, even though it is a RTX 2060 super....thank you.
Got a reference 5700xt brand new for $330 in 2019. So happy I upgraded when I did - still working great.
Enjoying that jet engine sound everytime you start a game? Lol
@@weecious It's surprisingly quiet for a reference card 😂 tends to hover around 90c under load though.
@@livingstonem10 90C? My 2060 Super hovers at 70C under game load. You need to adjust a fan profile and wear headphones lol.
@@weecious I'm not worried about it. It's the default fan curve set by AMD, and they say 90c is fine. If it was gonna hurt it, the card would be dead by now.
@@livingstonem10 Those temps will kill the GPU over time. I would set a custom curve fan profile if I were you.
I always love these types of videos (some beautiful b-roll shots there, BTW). :)
Buying a 5700xt in early 2020 was the best decision i made regarding gpus. I sold it close to $1300, almost exactly twice what i paid for it which was $650.
jesus where are you at to pay 650 for 5700xt i got mine september 2020 for 365 brand new from best buy
@@zackmandarino1021 US dollar is not the only dollar you know..
@@zackmandarino1021 Australia mate
@@Mi2Lethal makes sense then lol
Im quite happy that i snagged a 2070S for 300 a day after 3080 announcement, atleast it will hold me over for another 1-2 years unlike my 970 which was struggling a lot.
You have the massive advantage of DLSS. No clue why they don't cover it more in here. Just a few words why they don't show it more, which is not close to real life usage.
Half of the titles have DLSS 2.0 or newer which they looked at more in depth here.
@@monsieurmalt929 Is it because it's still barely in any games - just like FSR? After multiple years on the market now, we're up to something like 55-60 games that support DLSS(and small handful are still using 1.x, which might as well mean they don't support DLSS). That's NOTHING. As far as I'm aware, I still don't have a single game in my library that supports DLSS.
Actually, I take that back - 'Mechwarrior 5' and 'Mount & Blade II' have gotten it now. And they both have such mediocre graphics that, well, what's the point? Use it if you have it of course; but the rest of us aren't missing out on much. Maybe M&BII sees a benefit with larger battles? I don't know, haven't played it in a year(trying to avoid getting burnt out before they even release it in full) so I don't know if they've made any big strides in performance with high unit count battles.
Lets be real - you're an outlier if you have a lot of games that support DLSS. It's an incredible feature, but it's hardly a selling point if you don't play anything that features it. I mean 55-60 games over multiple years, that's nothing.
@@monsieurmalt929 DLSS for 1080p is useless though, which is what i am still running.
But i guess its nice if you have to run a 4k monitor on a 2070 or 2060.
The result is not even surprising. AMD was aiming for RTX 2070 with RX 5700 XT from the beginning and it did just right.
In HU's 5700XT launch review, the 5700XT had an average FPS of 100, vs the 87FPS of the 2060S and the 102FPS of the 2070S. The 2070(90FPS avg) was barely ahead of the $350 5700(88FPS avg)!
Don't know why everyone slept on these cards at launch(SO MANY RTX BUILDS...), and why everyone is still sleeping on them. Even when they get credit, you still see the 5700XT talked about as "competing against the 2060S", when it just... ...isn't... Price point or not, it's just a different tier all together.
People said Fine Wine would end with GCN, can't wait for my 6700 XT to beat the 3070 next year lmao
Sure buddy. Check the 3070 vs 6700xt benchmark, Nvidia wins by 10% and better features 😎😎😎 also the only games where 6700xt wins is borderlands and Valhalla which are amd sponsored 🤣🤣🤣🤣 3070 is way better, better architecture, better features, better performance. 6700xt relies on inconsistent clock speeds it's not even close lol
Haha watch this th-cam.com/video/nLlhONHPpCw/w-d-xo.html NOT EVEN CLOSE 🤣 SAME PERF AS 3060TI
15% difference from the 5700 XT it might as well be a 2080 vs 2060 super comparison. that's not even on the same tier of performance now. Your predictions of the 5700 XT scaling over time were bang on, perhaps even modest looking at these results those who were even able to purchase a 5700 XT are going to feel like Legends right now.
@A B that's not true at all. Where are u getting these bogus numbers from? lmfao?
@A B which game what settings?
Really great performance from Navi in non raytraced games.
However I wouldn't undervalue the RTX2060 Super too much, it has great features (RTX, DLSS, CUDA, NVENC).
Cards for different people considering it all, of course it is my opinion.
exactly DLSS and NVENC are the deal/maker for me. IF were talking strictly MSRP prices even with big navi and ampere......those will still ultimately be the determining factors.....then you add G-sync and nvidia reflex....for games like valorant/warzone/ etc future supported reflex titles....it furthers the wedge towards nvidia. Where as that aside big navi is QUITE ideal for AAA gaming or 4k gaming with "adaptive sync" as a major build aesthetic/use case....i find myself liking g-sync more for those twitch shooters and PVE hack n slashers that are very dodge/parry heavy....and racing sims/arcades
No surprises here, the 5700xt is on par with the 2070s, so it's only natural that it's ahead of the 2060s
Except its MSRP is about $200 less than the 2070 Super.
@@JesusCabelloSchomburg Yes, Turing was Op, now AMD is overpriced as well
We only needed Ryzen 5000's for the extra speed bump and Gen 4 link .
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I did get a 5800x, the extra speed in very nice and same goes for the clocks, I've pcie4 but for been honest doesn't show that much
@@davepianist84 It's because PCIE4 is like 1-2 faster than PCIE3. PCIE4 benefits from Gen4 NVME M.2 SSDs. But Gen3 NVME already does 3500mba read and 3200mbs writes which is way more than enough. PCIE4 is more of a marketing feature but in reality it does nothing for gamers.
Hey guys I appreciate the comparison, I just want to note here that it seems like you are comparing a Powercolor Red Devil 5700XT with a Msi Gaming (or gaming X, not sure) 2060 Super, the former being mid-high end and the latter being one of the slowest 2060 Supers on the market. I own an Aorus 2060 Super and obviously there is a difference in these models when you take in to account binning and OC/removal of power limits, but also there is some significant variation at their stock speeds. Just a disclaimer, I am not "team green" or anything, but a comparison between similarly statured cards could make for a more representative comparison. It's obvious the 5700XT would still be faster on average, but still the Gaming X has a core clock of 1695 (+45mhz) or 1650 (+0mhz) for the non X, whereas my Aorus has a core clock of 1845mhz (+195mhz). The Red Devil, similar to my Aorus, has significantly increased clocks over reference.
This is all moot if the benchmarks are of the reference cards themselves, but it's just that you're showing the third party models throughout the testing phase. Forgive me if I missed some note about the exact models that were used.
I love this comparison thank you HUB for doing this!! I was very curious about this comparison as I have the 2060S myself. I bought my RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra probably 2 years ago by now, and back then I was debating whether to buy a sapphire 5700XT or the 2060 Super.
In the end, I chose the 2060 Super because I use NVENC a lot and I use Nvidia's features quite a bit, so the loss in performance is actually worth it for me. But I want to say I'm really happy the 5700XT still is faster than the 2060 Super since it does have more raw horsepower. It's making me wonder if I should have just bit the bullet and went team red :P.
Whichever way you would've gone you'd run into doubts anyway. Both do different things well.
Really freaking love this, Next up, please do RTX 2060 vs RX 5600 XT (UPDATED VBIOS) PLEASE!
OMG YES
did full custom loop with 5700xt super great till today.
I bought a 5700xt in 2019 because this channel. Wise decision
Im sad 5700xt was out of my price range,and that was at msrp prices before the armageddon
That MSI 2060S is also one of the most crippled one with only one 8-pin and only a 175W power limiter. But that's very impressive the RX 5700 XT seems like the better buy for sure.
It roughly matched the performance of the Strix model as well as the FE model...
@@Hardwareunboxed Ah then I guess more power on the 2060S doesn’t really add much more performance.
thank god i was lucky enough to buy the Radeon 5700 xt sapphire for 430 one month before Christmas
I have a 5700xt liquiddevil and I absolutely love it, I bought it just before the GPU shortage and corresponding price rise
I was one of the people that got the 5700 and would have loved it if it wasn't for the godawful drivers i returned and got a 2060 at the time. Its a shame as i really wanted to love that card but it was an utter nightmare.
It only took them like 2 months to iron out the bugs , mine played great out of the box , with only once giving me the black screen bug , i down graded drivers , let them alone for 2 months , and that was that , there wasnt really that much drama if you let it get to you , happens with all new architectures.
@@starkistuna Bro AMD pushed out a driver update in Sept. 2020 continuing to address the black screen issues. Driver version 20.9.1 if you want to see it for yourself. That was one of many driver fixes for that problem that persisted for well over a year.
@@Phil_529 I got my MSI MERC OC in Oct only saw bugg maybe once ot twice.
@@starkistuna Good for you. Doesn't change the facts of the situation.
I own a 5700xt nitro+, bought it when I was building my first computer back in august. The drivers have gotten way better and more stable. It plays all my games at 1080p144fps on ultra/extreme settings no problem, and even plays games at 4k60 ultra/extreme, the only bottleneck in that scenario is the amount of vram! Absolute beast of a card and super glad I didn’t buy a 2060 super for the same price.
Thanks, now revisit the RTX 2070 Super please! ;)
Got my gb5700xt in late 2019 and it has been my best purchase in my PC building life! it has admittedly had issues with green screening, but it has consistently allowed me a to play 95% of games at max settings at 1080p
I've been SUPER (HA) happy with my 5700XT purchase when it came out. Great review and if you don't mind I'd like to reference this video in my reviews of the 5700XT I did.
While it took time to tune in my 5700 xt gotta say I've been very pleased with her, manual tuning and have her idling at 42-44C junction temp and stable.
2700X and then the 5700XT? Now I have a better than ever idea of where my current system stands in terms of performance, thank you!
Your 2700X will bottleneck even a 3070/6700 XT unless you at least have a 1440p monitor.
@@weecious no....if you see the video "nvidia has driver overhead problem" you know even 1600x its fine for a 5700xt
@@razoo911 No it's not fine. I have a 1600 in my other rig and I used to have a 1700X in my main rig which bottlenecked 2060 Super 8GB and that's at 1440p. So at 1080p there will be a big bottleneck. The single core perfomance is not fast enough. The 3700X doesn't bottleneck 2060 Super 8GB. I got 20fps - 30fps boost in modern games at 1440p.
@@weecious thats why i said 5700xt but not nvidia gpu...on youtube try to find "nvidia has driver overhead problem" and you ll see what im talking about
I feel so lucky that I bought a 5700 XT Red Dragon in May 2020 for $360 on eBay. It's been awesome, and I got in right before the shortage.
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition at 1080p high settings with DLSS Quality, apart from few problem places I kept to my 75Hz target. Totally enjoyable experience so I guess I like these "heavy compromises" I made. Personally wouldn't trade it for a 5700 XT, but of course if you don't care about RT you have no reason to buy a GeForce card anyway since it's a feature you have to pay for regardless and in that case the 5700 XT is a clear choice.
Of course look at this Nvidia card that has these FPS in this particular game with this particular locked ecosystem feature that only works in 4 games 😅😂😅😅🤣😂...
@@sirab3ee198 mainly was referring to how RT on 2060 Super was dismissed in the video. It IS perfectly useable feature on the card, but of course requires adjusting setting down from the ultra everything is tested with. Personally I don't need more than 75 fps, I can achieve that with 2060 Super AND I get RT & DLSS. 5700 XT would offer no improvements for me but would lack features I was ready to pay for.
@@sirab3ee198 Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is a great demonstration of what can be done with raytracing today and for him it works and he is happy, try to play it on the 5700XT.
@@dampflokfreund it's not bias, at least not for specific company. It's more about used language and setting choices that probably work well for testing but fall flat when you start actually applying the results to a real use case. I have a 75Hz display, going over that offers me mostly nothing but these results (note, not HUB) suggest that 5700 XT is "20% better". It's not completely wrong, but it's not quite right either.
Facts
would be amazing to see a comparison beween the drivers used when the card was released and the most recent, this way we could know how much optimization these cards got with the time
built a 2060s pc in 2019 and never thought that it would be relevant again after the 3070 release...
2060 WASN’T RELEVANT when it released
3070 being released does not slow down your 2060s.
Hi Hardware unboxed, I'm thinking of completing my first PC build and am thinking of either getting a 2060 super or 2070 (no super). Which one would you think I would get more FPS using in Fortnite. Also do different brands of the same model of a GPU matter, such as Galax vs MSI vs EVGA.
I like Doom Eternal with Raytracing and 100+ fps :)
Who doesn't?
do you plan on making a streaming comparison at various bit rates between nvidia and amd gpus? it would be nice to see that content with the details and quality of this channel
DX12 helps AMD cards, Nvidia switched to software scheduling for DX11 which shifted power consumption to the CPU side and causes pipeline stalls and unless a title codes specifically for Async Compute it fails to utilise AMD GPUs fully.
So rationally the AMD card ought to age better, doing 1440p native not targeting 4K reduces DLSS/FX FSR importance.
It's been that way since forever
Basically with DLSS and DXR support the RTX 2060 is better. Most of the game benchmarks are not the ones people play. Looks at the steam list for most played games. A RTX 2060 will give you enough performance and you can play games like Metro Exodus enhanced edition which you cannot play on a 5700xt. DLSS improves performance and gives better image quality than FSR. The better DX12 support on the 2060 is the most important thing for newer games.
Basically when mining cards get dumped. You get videos like a cheap 1060 or an AMD card, how it performs. Cards are being dumped atm.
Take Doom Eternal, its A DXR game. There are other DXR games. You can play the game as intended on a RTX 2060 but you cant on a 5700xt.
@@GodKitty677 DLSS is irrelevant when you can play at 1440p native... YOu've got it round you neck on DX12 support, Nvidia encourage Vulkan, their cards get CPU bottle necked because they dropped async to do better in DX11 benchmarks.
The MOST played games.. run fine on an 5700xt, they're generally made to run on anything even Intel gfx
@@RobBCactive Clearly AMD think its relevant with releasing FSR. Unreal Engine 5 think its relevant when they developed temporal upscaling before Nvidia. How about the list of DXR games that wont run the best on a 5700xt but will have full image quality on a RTX 2060?
Amid Evil
Battlefield V
Bright Memory
Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
Control
Crysis Remastered
Cyberpunk 2077
Deliver Us The Moon
Dirt 5
Doom Eternal
Everspace 2
Fortnite
Ghostrunner
Godfall
Justice
Lego: Builder's Journey
Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Minecraft
Moonlight Blade
Mortal Shell
Observer: System Redux
Pumpkin Jack
Quake II RTX
Resident Evil Village
Ring Of Elysium
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Stay in the Light
The Fabled Woods
The Medium
The Persistence
Watch Dogs Legion
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
Wrench
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII
How about the future DXR games that will run poorly on the 5700xt?
Atomic Heart
Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora
Boundary
Dying: 1983
Dying Light 2
Enlisted
Far Cry 6
F.I.S.T: Forged In Shadow Torch
Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach
Forza Horizon 5
Hitman 3
Icarus
Justice Online
JX Online 3
Ready Or Not
Synced: Off-Planet
Stalker 2
The Ascent
The Riftbreaker
The Witcher III: Complete Edition
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2
SO how does metro exodus enhanced edition run on your 5700xt?
@@GodKitty677 Watch the review again .. the 2060 is clearly a poor choice
i've brought an 5600xt, upgrading from a 1050ti, before the silicon crisis and over everyone talking "amd drivers sucks, dont buy it"
i never had any problem with drivers and now i'm very happy playing with a gpu that i paid the same of an 1050ti price today and FSR is just the icing on the cake
Honestly, i am still so surprised by my Oc'd Vega 56 + Vega 64 bios flash playing medium/high 1440p 144hz. It comes handy in winter to heat up the room as well
Not only are they still great for gaming.
You can sell them to 3d artists for a decent amount of money
I loved my Red Devil 5700xt! I had no hiccups or problems with drivers when I first got it I'm 2019. I got it for 410 usd too. I upgraded to a 3080 for 780usd (including tax) and gave my Red Devil to my brother. Such a good card. I recently bought a 3060 for my little cousins build. And man 540usd was totally not worth it. But cards are so rare to find at a store I had to buy it.
Now test them with DLSS and Raytracing, oh wait...
My take is that when testing "old" hardware to see how they have aged is important to check not just raw performance, but features.
A 2060 super will easily keep playing some games using DLSS.
Not just that on a 2060 super you can play metro exodus ENHANCED edition but you can't on a 5700xt no matter how fast it is.
on a 2060 super you can play any raytraced game with decent resolution and framerate thanks to DLSS, you can't on a rx 5700
Uhhhhh FSR dude...
@@DoubleDragon5180 Not here yet for any games you want to play.
@@Safetytrousers Well yeah because FSR just came out vs DLSS has a head start. Give that same time frame for FSR and then compare. Plus, FSR is also on Consoles, so compatibility comes into play. Any updates for FSR or any games has FSR, both console and PC(AMD as well as Nvidia) will benefit from it.
5700xt became more of a beast of a card that Turing can’t catch up or Nvidia won’t bother updating. DLSS can only do so much
@@dampflokfreund It better be because DLSS been out for a while vs Not even a month for FSR
@@dampflokfreund No it won’t. Nvidia has a habit of not updating old gpus or not updating them
I regret selling my 5700xt red Devil. I have purchased multiple 30 series cards since then, but the red Devil was such a good looking card that performed beastly.
Even 5700 non-XT is equal now in performance to RTX2060 Super. And wins heavily in a few games.
Love watching all the benchmarks guys but I feel like you are missing out on one. You always test using with as high settings as possible, but how about a competitive settings benchmark of multiplayer games (that are benchable)?
Those settings don't show what GPU are capable of and if DLSS was used in this benchmark video then there would be a big difference from a 2060. They would be on par with each other plus RTX 2060 Super has a really beastly encoder.
The 5700XT is what brought Radeon back from the dead!!!
I'd give that title to the RX 480.
Sure, the 480 and 580 were good and are now legendary GPU's, but they were mid range cards, the 5700XT really brought Radeon back towards the high end :)
Surprisingly, that was the EXACT same 5700XT I got, the Red Devil, and the MSI Gaming X was the GeForce RTX 2060 Super I almost considered...
You're creeping me out Steve!!! 🤪👍 Love it!
I've been using mine for roughly about 10 months and it's seriously a great card, and feels so different from AMD of the past where drivers were really still carrying the ATi curse. I've even done testing where I was getting RTX 2070 and 2080 level performance.
Plus, I got 3 games with my 5700XT and Ryzen 7 3700X combo. Totally worth it.
No regrets!
Well, another proof of the AMD fine wine at work, if only the 5700XT was as good as this at launch without the Driver, issues things would have been different, and since the 5700XT mines like a champ, it's really really overpriced right now.
I always felt the 5700XT was more competition with the 2070 Super. When I was buying my 5700XT, that's the metric I used. Are you maybe considering comparing to the 2070S? The 5700XT was just slightly behind the 2070S and I wonder if it's better now instead of being behind.
Anecdotally, 90% or more of the non-mining graphics card use cases in the world today are all about rasterization performance. Not ray tracing. Not artificial resolution enhancement. Not video encoding or streaming capability. So comparing raster to raster is the right way to do it, and clearly, the 5700XT hands the 2060S a serious thrashing.
i think AI Upscaling like DLSS will be more usefull in the future then now, immagine with 8k resolution what amount of power will we need, i don't know if gpu can grow that stronger in the future permitting both high resolution and always more image details.
I mean look at the 3080 and 6800, they are amazing gpu, but are huge and consume a lot for power..
no it's not. look at 6800xt hashrate vs 3080 hashrate
@@wolniacha_tv i'm not doing a VS like a fan boy, i don't care AMD or NVIDIA, i'm looking for the tecnology, and will we need some sort of AI upscaling in the future, maybe not in the gpu but external in the monitor, just saying... immagine you don't have to care what resolution your gpu can handle because everything will be automatically upscaled without losing a single detail.
I think it will be perfect.
Being a casual gamer, I still have my ASUS "Dual EVO OC edition" 2060 Super (together with a R7 3700X), and I'll be keeping for a long time, seeing how much a new card costs.
better comparison for 5700xt is the 2070super.....
They seem to forget the RX 5700 stock and flashed XT was to compete with the 2060GTX and Super
Very good as time goes by at 5700 xt it seems to get better and better and with the implementation of the FSR in the games it will run practically everything in 4k above 30 fps and depending on the game until close to 60fps. Great.
Wasn't the 5700xt launched against the 2070?
Price wise no, it was priced around a 2060S
it was supposed to compete with the 2070S, a bit cheaper while offering ~5-10% less performance. but in practice it competed with the 2060S.
Cost as 2060s and its fast as 2070s
Yes it was, but then Nvidia released the Super line up and AMD dropped the prices (the famous "Jebaited!" meme from AMD), at the end both the 2060 Super and 5700XT were 399$.
Bought RX 5700XT last year. I am immensely satisfied with the performance
Nvidia nerved RTX 2000 series drivers to make RTX 3000 series GPUs look so much faster. Nvidia always does shady shit. At least RTX 2060 Super has a DLSS support without even requiring Ray Tracing. But that's still pretty messed up on Nvidia's side. Just greedy company that just wants people to buy their new GPUs. I'm not even surprised... Nvidia keeps on being shady. Looks like, I'll probably get an RX 7000 series GPU. I'm done being screwed years down the road by Nvidia... same BS everytime. I mean... one example is same thing happened with Vega and recently they re-released RTX 2060 (non Super) a year and a half later for $600. Good job Nvidia on ripping people off and THEY KNOW, they can get away with it since there are no RTX 3000 series to buy unless you want to pay triple or quadruple for RTX 3000 GPUs.
Thanks to HU I bought my 5700 XT in 2019. Couldn't be happier with it.
AMD Fine Wine works very well!
I upgraded from a GTX 970 Strix to RX 5700 XT pulse back in January 2020 .... i bought it for 30,000 INR (400 $ US) and it and i believe i made a good decision
No RT and DLSS are pretty massive turnoffs. Most games targeting the new generation will use RT in some capacity.
I don't think so
@@rere439 I don't think so either. I've never played a game that supports DLSS or RT. I consider them worthless.
@@odizzido I guess it really depends on what games you play. I’ve played plenty of RT and/or DLSS enabled games since I got my RTX 2070 in 2019 (Cyberpunk 2077, Metro: Exodus, Control, Black Ops: Cold War, Shadow of the Tomb Raider), but if you don’t play big AAA games, then it’s easy to see how you wouldn’t have played anything that supports either.
Even then, RT is a bit of a mixed bag depending on how it’s implemented. Some games, like Cyberpunk, Control, and Metro use RT to great effect and in a way that improves the visual experience in a big way. Others, like Cold War or Tomb Raider, have lacklustre implementations that aren’t discernibly different from the purely rasterized version.
Generally, I find that ray traced global illumination (used in Cyberpunk and Metro: Exodus) always makes a game look much better, but RT shadows (used in Call of Duty and Tomb Raider) generally aren’t noticeable (unless you’re stopping to stare at them closely) and you might as well just leave them off and take the extra frames. RT reflections (seen in games like Cyberpunk, Control and Battlefield V) are more of a mixed bag and depends on the aesthetic of the game. In games like Control and Cyberpunk (to a lesser extent) where there are lots of reflective surfaces across the environment, it can be very noticeable. In a game like Battlefield V, it tends to fade into the background and not be worth the performance hit.
That’s just my opinion though.
There are still only 55-60 games that support DLSS, and even less that support RT(and, BTW, LTT has a video blind testing people to see if they could notice the difference between RT on and off - basically everyone failed to notice the difference, soooo). That's literally insignificant, that would be insignificant in the console market, nevermind the absolutely massive PC market. It's not even a drop in the back; it's an ant tear drop.
If you play games that support it a lot, then you would probably be dumb not to get an RTX card. And, if you don't, you would probably be dumb not to get the faster RX cards. With only 55-60 games over a couple years, how many of those do people actually have in their library? Is it worth giving up performance in games that don't support DLSS just to gain performance in the handful of games that support DLSS? That's a hard argument to make.
Almost got myself the RTX 2060 last year, because at the time it was still ~USD400. All of the sudden, all sellers listed it as "no stock" and a week later, the 2060 was restock and sold at ~USD600 instead.
Still mad about it as I actually saved my money to upgrade my GPU. Guess I'll stick with my RX 580 still.
DLSS is the only reason i use RTX, but that is the best reason.
Also I haven had 2060 Super since launch and zero problems with drivers so that's another plus. But I do feel like Nvidia nerved RTX 2000 series drivers to make RTX 3000 look like they're much faster.
My XFX 5700Xt is a beast, I get on avg of 125 fps in 1440P in warzone all the time, great card, when compared number to all my frnds I see that my card is close to 2080 in all the games.
Woo, my card. Water cooled 5700XT still going strong
Isn't watercooling a 5700xt a touch over the top?
@@fpscomputers976 probably, but I bought the pc off ebay. The entire built is overkill on cooling, would have made different choices myself had I built it.
@@fpscomputers976 not really. conversely, watercooling a 120W max cpu while aircooling a >190W graphics is even weirder.
@@MrSubZer05 Ahhh, I see. I'm not knocking it btw. Plus I bet your system is nice and quiet ;)
I watercool my non XT 5700. The setup is screwed to a wooden board.
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