The Riddler Origins - A Broken Genius's Terrifying And Saddening Backstory - Batman's Rogue Gallery
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Riddle me this: who loves question marked-paraphernalia, the colour green, and is about to finally get the nuanced on-screen portrayal he so rightfully deserves? There’s something delightfully straightforward about second-tier comic book villains that gets you invested in them despite their woefully simplistic motivations. Not every character will get a Joker-esque background lore compendium, complete with Tarantino-level depictions of mania and graphic violence. But that’s what makes them so fun to invest in; they’re like wrestling gimmicks given corporeal form, with their zany antics and borderline-comical origin stories fueling their villainous intentions. DC’s Greatest Detective has a rogue’s gallery teeming with heavy-hitters whose actions affect not just Gotham City, but the DCU on a grander scale. At the same time, he has to also deal with ruffians whose seemingly-petty ambitions often drive the Caped Crusader to the end of his wits. These fiends aren’t driven by a moral quest or an unquenchable thirst for power; they just want to watch the world burn and have some fun as they strike the first match. It just so happens that one of The Dark Knights’ most-enduring adversaries is a guy who really, really likes puzzles. First appearing in Detective Comics #140 all the way back in 1948, The Riddler has given Bruce Wayne sleepless nights for decades with nothing more than a steel rod and his wits. And with Matt Reeves’ The Batman featuring him in the primary antagonist’s role, there’s never been a better time to discuss the origins of the Prince of Puzzlers. This is The Riddler’s Origins - Explored.
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0:00 Intro
2:45 Riddlerís Origins
6:10 Major Story Arcs
10:25 Alternate Versions
12:55 Riddlerís Abilities
14:45 Riddlerís Appearances in Movies, Animated Shows & Live-Action TV series
17:15 Riddler is the Major Villain in Upcoming Movie The Batman (2022) - บันเทิง
I always liked the Riddler as a concept to have a villain to showcase Batman's detective skill and not just gadgets and violence. Most of Batman's villains he just tends to brute force his way through with maybe a distraction or two, but Riddler stories can have it just be a longform mystery
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Unfortunately, a lot of Riddler stories end up with Batman brute forcing his way to the solution as if that's "thinking outside the box"
@@hyperion3145 Yep. I feel like it's "We match wits, Riddler, cool, you might be a tad wittier... but I'm better than you in all other ways. Let me show you something you can't out-think that I have in infinite supply." **whack**
@@That80sGuy1972 hahahaha
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As a kid, I remember Batman Forever being one of my favourite movies - with Jim Carrey as the Riddler. The Arkham games' version of the character is also quite a respectable portrayal. But the Telltale version of the Riddler knocked it out of the park for me. He was more than an annoyance, he was a genuine threat.
Telltale was a far more authentic Riddler. Batman Forever kind of made him a cheat-code using ridiculous idiot (with ironic genius intellect) version of Riddler, a parody of the Riddler. I totally love Jim Carrey but I totally hate his version of the Riddler. I love the Riddler and I love riddles and other puzzles. Batman Forever's Riddler was a puzzle-book nerd insane ADHD version of Riddler that used a mind-scanning thing to be Riddler level bright instead of just being Riddler. Well, that movie also really crapped all over Two-Face... those two together were the stand-in for The Joker, a guy the previous movie killed off.
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@woooudo They should have made up a different name instead of Selena Kyle, meaning she's a different Catwoman. That would have made her character just fine then. I don't know if it was fanfiction or what but there is something out there where an alternative DC universe Gotham had multiple Catwomen territorially competing with each other... with Selena Kyle working with Batman in such a way that she was just reducing competition, not really being a hero. Well, still being an occasional anti-hero because there are certain villain types she just won't allow to do what they do.
@@jbearproductions4067 Kudos for making the video related to the subject and putting such hard and original work into it.
Back in 1996… I was on a family holiday in Disneyland Florida. One afternoon my mum and I got caught in a thunder storm in Disney market place and took shelter at a table under an awning. There was an older a guy and a lady in her 30s sitting there. They said we were welcome to sit at the table as there were two free seats. We chatted with them (I’m from the U.K.) and after a whole we noticed people kept coming up to the table and asking the man for his autograph. We then realised that he was Frank Gorshin, the riddler from the 1960s Batman show. We got his autograph and took pictures with him and he was really nice.
Aww that's nice
I'm so glad Matt Reeves and Paul Dano are finally doing the character justice on the big screen.
That remains to be seen. However, I'm hoping for another great Batman movie.
wow passive aggressive much
And boy o boy they definitely fuckin did
and no spandex
Especially since Paul Dano's writing his own comic about the Riddler
Hopefully they use the Riddler from Zero Year. That Riddler was a legit genius
All the riddlers are pretty smart
Riddler is a legit genius. He's brighter than Bruce Wayne, he's that smart. He's almost Lex Luthor level smart, in the genius way. Why is he 2nd tier? It's obvious. It's his smug sense of intellectual superiority compounded by his need for showmanship on top of needing who he targets to solve riddles (and puzzles), intentionally dropping clues, to foil his actions if they solve them. He's the non-boring smart version of the now-popular Saw killer... only he never thought he was on some kind of mission to do blah blah blah because of blah blah blah to demonstrate (insert sophistry rant here).
And he looked like an evil version of Lupin III, I liked that touch to his design.
Nah that story sucks
This riddler seemed pretty smart and he was diabolical and evil as hell, I do sort of wish his costume was more like the classic riddler costume even tho it is a bit cheesy I love the colors and the vibe.
17:58 for all the cosplayers out there his mask is a US Army cold weather face mask. You can get them from several surplus sight and judging from what little you can see, I don't think it was altered for the film at all.
FYI, they work really well at their intended purpose, so you'll probably not be wearing it long inside
Honorable mentions to John (Gomez Addams) Astin one-time appearance as Riddler, and Frank Gorshin's last (live action) appearance with Adam West on the MTV Movie Awards (1995) as a riddler (not "the" riddler).
As always thank you so very much for the video.
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So we going to forget about the Gotham TV series version of the Riddler play by Cory Michael Smith he did that character Justice
My favorite version of the character. I didn't like how they made the villains appear WAY too early in the timeline, (Why would they ever need Batman if Jim Gordon was able to take care of them all?) but their version of Riddler (and Penguin) were legendary. (Their Jerome/Joker was great, except when he or his brother or whatever actually became Joker.)
Cant remember the name, but my fav Riddler story was the one where he was resurrecting an ancient bat, he put Batman through a series of trials from dancing with a corpse to slitting a baby's throat (to save the kid of course).
It was the first dark Riddler story i can remember reading.
Dark Knight, Dark City.
...Why was the Riddler trying to ressurect an ancient bat?
@@AFox739 It was the demon Barbathos, and he was manipulating Riddler into doing his bidding.
Riddle me this, riddle me that. Who's afraid of the Big Black Bat?
Was that over the top, i could never tell
me. I am. I was just guarding a building. I didn't even know what was in it but the job had great benefits and out some stock up for me so it had to be legit. Here comes batman breaking my damn arm.
Gotham's Riddle was so good. 😀
Riddle me this, riddle me that... who's afraid of a big old bat?
A cheesey villain but Frank Gorshin absolutely made the character shine like no other. He is the reason I am a fan of the the character.
Amen Younger fans will never know Frank Gorshins genius portrayal
his take was genius
@@thomasbarlow5666 funny you all should mention Frank Gorshin considering my aunt Audrey dated him before
The best Riddler was from Batman the animated series. Getting his revenge on his ex boss and he escaped Batman & Robin.
Didn't Clock King have similar motives?
@@osmanyousif7849 Clock King went completely nuts from taking the Mayer's advice on changing his schedule lol and he had a mental breakdown.
@@jamespope7669 I mean, throw that aside, the two have have a lot in common. Both want revenge on someone for something that had to do with a company, both are pretty intelligent, both wear similar outfits (that is if you remove the color and switch out the purple mask and clock-glasses), and both ended up traumatizing the guys they wanted revenge on, not to mention in their first episode escaped capture. I'm just saying, because for many villains that have teamed up in the show, I'm surprised that these two didn't, especially seeing how little they used Clock King. They might even almost defeat Batman with Clock King’s perfect timing and Riddler’s traps (he can even use the riddle Hickory Dickory Dock as part of the riddle).
If you ask me, the best version of the Riddler is the Arkhamverse take on the character
I always wondered why Edward Nigma is never mentioned when talkin about comic books geniuses......... Hes gotta be top 20
Mr. Nygma is always be 'BROKEN' in a emotionally and mentally of his own way.
Don't you agree with me?
Clearly Edward just needed a positive role model in his youth and maybe he wouldn't become the riddler.
The same could apply to most of Batman's other rogues.
@@sarahsims6164 true
A role model wouldn't have worked. Batman's villains ruined their own rotten lives and would've turned out the same, without Batman.
@@jamespope7669 some of them, yes, but maybe not all of them.
@@jamespope7669 ah yes cuz riddler asked for his dad to beat him
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I loved Jim carrys version of the riddler.
Ridler was the goat in Gotham 2014
15:20 it's funny how that happened in that show. As goofy as it was almost all of the villains had a subtle sense of menace, like right now they're just playing, but if you'd seen what they just did off screen you wouldn't clapping so hard...
Riddler my favourite batman villain, thank you
I think one of the best portrayals of the Riddler was in the show Gotham. Cory Michael Smith really did the character justice in my opinion
So happy Riddler is getting his just deserves as the villian in the upcoming Batman movie, when this villian is taking seriously he's up there with any of them and i bet u Paul Dano's Riddler blows people away!
I love this character. I also share with my friends my regular "Riddle me this" little things. I share a riddle and invite people to solve it, it's more often than not a riddle of my own creation. One of my last ones, the answer was "Bat Flies". It took months before they asked me for the answer. It turns out, nobody actually knew what bat flies were and thought my riddle was insane drunken rambling until I posted a link to the bat flies video.
One of my most beloved moment, I keep that secret, was when my friends started calling me "Riddler".
I'm no supervillain but my friends and associates do love my riddles. I also love the moment someone solves a really hard riddle and they get major kudos for it from everyone else. Me, pretty much an idiot when it comes to social matters, a guy who regularly rubs people the wrong way just by interacting with them, brought joy to them via mere riddles... I made joy in a group as someone who tends to tick people off just by not catching social clues... regularly. To say that made me smile a bit is an understatement... and I generally don't care what people think of me. It turns out, I do care if a lot of people are happy with what I do. I just don't understand why.
I think we both know why you care, it is the same reason why most do what they do for adoration, their feeling of lacking in approval. You do care what people think of you, and it is ok to admit it. I say it with respect for you, as I like ya style. So just laugh at yourself when you miss the so called social clues, and/or who gives a toss what others deem to be the norm, the "social" part is just another group setting rules they feel comfortable with, F#%K em, have your own social group that fits your rules. Riddle on bro, riddle on :)
@@coachjester4735 I did not know before you solved the riddle for me. Thank you. I did suspect it among many possibilities, like all of the really silly things that are socially normal and my self-reflective theories... but I digress. Again, thank you. The biggest riddles I ponder are more social ones. They are often more perplexing because they are akin to sophistry because they are on both sides of literally everything and self-contradicting just as often as they are revealing.
I see the common theme. I do like the common aspect. I generally don't care what people think but I do care when I get the group I made likes me. Thank you for connecting the dots. I now know why I care. It's a comfort thing. Thank you for giving me a bit more in self-awareness. I seek adoration. I have that flaw and it is in riddles. I do like to joke about my flaws to make people around me laugh too. I like making people happy even if it is just making people laugh. I have a social group... I never pondered that. I have people who love my riddles. I never pondered how great that was. Thank you for showing me that too. I have been neglecting them for a while. I will stop doing that.
@@coachjester4735 Here's an easy riddle from when I was young. What travels one a body between no-money banks? That body just lays in the earth, immobile while running with a mouth that does not speak. Tell me what travels on such a body.
Hint: It's related to that riddle you (and-or most people) heard before but the answer is not the same. If you answer wrong, I'll just drop a hint. Infinite tries, you cannot lose until you just give up and ask for the answer.
I wish I could remember the exact wording of my Bat Flies riddle. It took me almost a week to make it sound so deceptively obvious (that oxymoron does apply). Yes, it's named that because that's the riddle's answer. Its title is one of many called "Who am I?"
Mnnn The Riddle IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY Batman Villains, along with Penguin, Joker, Poison Ivy and Two Face, he always have been a TOP TIER BATMAN villain and many people have beg for he get a chance again in the big screen.
Riddler needs to get his own movie
Exactly. The holy trinity of Batman villains is the Joker, Penguin, and Riddler. Riddler is without a doubt one of the top in Batman’s rogue’s gallery
@@theemperor214 the smartest one like i feel batman cant beat his intelligence
Can't wait to see the new Riddler in the The Batman whenever tf it comes out!!
One thing the Arkham games did that most people didn't notice is that the riddler in every game takes less care of himself in origins he looks like a normal person since he just started his career, in asylum he wears his classic suit in the bios tab, in city his suit is dirtier then his ego would allow but it could be just the lack of care he inmates all had, in knight his insanity is more noticable he no longer has the suit but just a green polo shirt, a tank top and cargo pants and he looks like he hasn't bathed nor brushed his teeth in months his constant 2nd place by batman ruined him physically and mentally
Riddler and Two Face are my favorite villains. I like the Riddler because he's killed without ever touching his victims.
Riddler that villains you wouldn't expect to be this scary
The first Riddler story I ever read was Dark City, Dark Knight. Very dark, and the Riddler is quite unhinged.
My very first comic books. This is Riddler at his most psychotic and an amazing story.
I hope that in the next movie they shocase Mr.Freeze as one of thr villains to show batman's heart
I’m glad the riddler villain has stood the test of time,Paul Dano will do fine playing him.
I loved the biographical information in the Arkham games because it took the time to briefly dissect what was psychologically wraith the villains. Diagnosing Riddler with Narcissistic Tendencies, OCD and Mania basically summarizing everything we have seen from Him he’s obsessed with perfection and being praised and is extremely manic when doing either.
He basically has a superiority complex
Awesome Video!
Great vid. Thanks
Jim carry as the riddler will always be my favorite.
If we have all seen The Batman we all know how crazy Riddler has gotten over the years
Personally I think Gotham's Riddler was f****** amazing the actor that played him oh so good
What about the single story appearance of John Astin as Riddler in the Adam West series?
Also, Loeb is pronounced like "lobe."
Riddler has and always been one of my top favourite bat villain gallery
Edward's actual surname is Nashton.
He just changed it to Nigma/Nygma as a fun gimmick.
Batman #453-455 dark knight, dark city was an awesome riddler story as well. I always loved the frank gorshin manic/hyperactive version of the riddler with that maniacal laugh on par with ceaser romero's joker laugh.
Enter the Gimpler!
Riddler is my favourite Batman Villain, can't believe how they massacred my Boy.
Riddler is my favourite Batman villain, and the Gotham TV Show version portrayed by Cory Michael Smith is my favourite version. [the one from the Arkham Games comes second], also I agree that Jim Carrey's Riddler was good, actually
Riddler: My Father hated me He Called me a Moron.
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I really think Sugar and Spice could have a much longer running time in the old classic movie Batman Forever ya know. Jim Carry did a very good job with that character well. and that riddler Caine smashed many things whoops bummer.
the Nintendo Batman games all sucked because of many glitch problems which means gamers flushed money down the tube when buying them of course.
" I'm glitch man."
Joker : " bwaaaah ha ha ha ha!!!!!"
60s riddler, Frank was perfect
After watching that intro I would be open to a updated version or what Frank did or the one from btas
Cool insight 😎
Corey Micheal smith was my favorite Riddler
To Me Jim Carrey's Portrayal Of The Riddler is the best one, I love frank gorshin Portrayal but Carrey's performance is the best of all time
Everyone loves Joker and I do to, but I LOVE the gimmicks like Harveys coin and Riddlers Riddles
It’s the Diddler that scares me
don't forget the fact that the Riddler showed up in "DC's kingdom come " as a hero joining Batman to find out what's going on as well as who's controlling Shazam and how.
The classic orgin story is a great backstory, especially with a current day-Riddler as depicted in the Arkham-games, where he starts out in Arkham Orgins as trying to blackmail corrupt Gothamites, and later on in the timeline trying to outsmart and beat Batman.
That being said, I like the Gotham and Batman Forever-versions as well, although not for the same reasons
Is it just me, or does the 3rd variant of the riddler ( Enigma) look a lot like kenny's hero alter ego mysterion from southpark.
I would kill to see a live action hush blockbuster. It just leads itself so well to a movie adaptation.
Mar Boomer should play the character.
“Jeff Lebb” 😂
2:44 min it's why you're here
I'm looking forward to "The Batman" but I really enjoyed Jim Carey as The Riddler.
Riddle me this riddle me that, whos afraid of the big black Bat?
riddler is my favorite villian in batmans rogues gallery but i never saw him as second tier villian hes always been coupled with batmans most notoriuos villians in likes of the joker and penguin but probably never as dangerous just insanely narccisstic
For me riddler is my favourite batman villain because riddler for me shes not just a genius she can confuse you by his riddles and puzzles
I think the Riddler is one of the most underrated DC villains , l really liked Jim Carreys version, but it would be great to see a version like Frank Gorshins but a much darker insane version 👍
Awesome
The riddle made Diablo 2's narration soo unique.
I grew up with Frank Gorshin's Riddler... And I must be honest - While THE JOKER is an Obvious favourite for any Comic Book Fan... The Riddler has always taken the very close Second Place in my Favourite Batman Villains!
While I feel it tried to hard to humanise him, Edward Nygma's Portrayal in GOTHAM was BRILLIANT! In fact, I feel that GOTHAM for all its faults did a great job of helping to realise many of these very Over The Top Villains in a very believable way... And that renewed my faith that someone could make Nygma come to life on the Big Screen...
(OK! Going to gush over Gotham for a Moment... I was late to watching the vast majority of the series having only got through season 1 and then half of season 2... But Finally binge watched the whole lot on Netflix... The Idea of Nygma developing "Emotions" for The Penguin was ... I will be honest, I thought at first this was TERRIBLE... was actually a stroke of GENIUS!!!)
It would be an interesting aspect to explore if anyone ever does try to make a Riddler spin off or put him front and centre more often... For all the Genius in the world, The one riddle that no one can solve is also one he would struggle with - WHAT IS LOVE? We all struggle with it as there is no single answer... We know it when we feel it but no one can truly describe it as for everyone it is different... And for someone obsessed with Answers - This would push Nygma to the depths of insanity! Trying to solve the unsolvable!
Honestly, Its time that WB took more chances... Yes, The Joker is a Popular character - But he is NOT the be all and end all of the DCEU... With a Rouges Gallery only matched by Marvels Spider-Man, There are so many places they can go and should... And knowing The Riddler is going to be the main Protagonist of THE BATMAN - I am now HYPED TO HELL!
Look, I love the Joker - We all do... But come on, As fans of DC... Lets be honest - THE JOKER IS OVERPLAYED AND OVERHYPED NOW! WB have KILLED The Joker!
It's easy to create broken geniuses in our society. Society often doesn't reward or recognize genius. It's enough to make any genius mad!
He always felt like a B side villain. The seventies batman had the best version....hell of a performance.
Ok. You didn't mention the Gotham version but had clips from it. As a side note Burton wanted Robin Williams to play Riddler if he was going to do a third Batman movie.
I'm not really a fan of The Riddler, but I'm really digging Paul Dano's take!!
I just realized they got some inspiration from the zodiac killer
The Arkham games Riddler is still my favorite, but I believe that I will like the one played by Paul Dano. Sometimes I wonder if Calendar Man can be made into a killer like the new Riddler.
Only Legends know Riddler is always a step ahead of Batman the wise ??? If only the riddler uses his skill like a superhero✌
Jim Carrey Riddler ❓is my favorite Riddler ❓ new Riddler ❓ was great too.
I liked the riddler in the Gotham tv show
8:40 you left out getting blackmailed by Batman for using the Pit. The panel where Bats tells him that if keeps his mouth shut, Al Ghul won't find out who used the Gotham pit is one of the best I've seen. I swear you can actually see Riddler crapping himself
Ohhh I can't wait for the riddler appearance in batman again 🥰🥰💖💖
His look from the 2022 movie looks interesting.
I like the part when he tells riddles.
Jeff Leb, Jeff Leb who's that?!?! Lol
now hes the fucking ZODIAC KILLER
I don't care what anyone says, Jim Carrey is my favorite Riddler. There can be several versions- darker versions are interesting and engaging, but you CAN be lighthearted with Riddler, especially to contrast the darker aspects of the world he's in
Wow you sure did butcher Colin Farrell’s last name on a previously incomprehensible level…
You forgot about the war of jokes and riddles
Johnny Depp would have been a great Riddler.
I’d like to Liam Neeson, master of improv comedy.
You just wait til he joins forces with Jimmy Neutron's rogues gallery
Always thought the riddler deserved to be more popular.
Paul Dano’s Riddler is based on the Zodiac killer
14:37 MEEEE!!! AAAAUGHH
Looks like a dominantrix in new movie lol
Heard Riddle Vs Green Arrow was pretty good based on Riddle took it personally that he lost to Green Arrow.
Did he say "Collin Firth" at 17:46? Lol
No disrespect to Frank Gorshin, but because of his and Jim Carrey's over-the-top portrayal of a maniacal trickster, many people have always considered the Riddler a mere Joker wannabe.
I can't say anything about Paul Dano's interpretation yet, but IMO the best Riddler is the genius with a flair for the theatrical and a compulsive disorder to leave clues.
He doesn't have to crack jokes and cackle like a maniac all the time.
Leave that to the Joker.
I think there was a version of The Riddler that became the villain hush
Almost 20m dang we going real Deep