It's been a while since my government has done something I'm genuinely proud of, but I am truly proud that the UK stepped up to provide security guarantees for Finland and Sweden during their application process. We would be proud and honoured to welcome both of these strong cultures into NATO.
As an American, I was impressed by Britain's tenacity in this. Mess with Finland and you'll find yourself messing with the British Army, Royal Marines, Royal Navy, and Royal Air Force. And you don't want that.
@@fredmidtgaard5487 Why? Brexit? I'm not a big fan of the EU experiment either. It started out, to my perception, as an economic cooperation zone. Now it seems to be a social engineering exercise to undermine the soveriegnty of the nation-state.
@@ashcarrier6606 EU is a great thing. Yes we did stumble a bit the first 10 years, we have started to learn how to walk now and in the future we might be able to run.
No need to be grateful or see it as coming to your ‘rescue’, we share common values and friendship and it’s in all our interests to have solidarity with the Finns and Swedes to support them if they are attacked and deter further barbarous aggression.
Sweden & Finland will ask for to become NATO members! Good or Not, is up to them to Decide, Not Russia!! Personally, I'm Pro-NATO and Happy they Finally want to Join!!! Baltic Sea will become a Free Sea ...
Remember, Russia has never stopped trying to expand in its history. Everyone has been attacked at one time or another by it. If your from Texas you might like to hear about the Aleut or Tinglit First Nations in what is now Alaska.
Have they been keeping some other, larger, more competent force in reserve in order to annex Finland and Sweden? I don't think so. Russia is basically powerless to stop this. Putin is reduced to making empty nuclear threats. Who cares where Russia parks its mobile launchers?
Given their performance in Ukraine, they might as well commit suicide themselves and not suffer any further humiliation. Finland has been whopping the Orcs all along the XXth century and have a way better, more professional and better equipped Army than the Orcs do.
I bought a tank. It’s insured and taxed and fully ready. My hateful neighbour hates it cos his tank hasn’t been maintained. But his bullying has annoyed most of my neighbours so we are making an alliance against the rotten neighbour. We have a vote on it today
@@basiltozer9078 New tanks not realy, abit hard since he only makes 1.4 trillions when the neighbourhood makes 32.2 trillion and is 740 million neighbours were his house is only 140 million 😉
@@lorenzcassidy3960 your neighbour fired a lot of conventional missiles already and they performed perfectly. I'm sure whatever missiles stored in the warehouse aren't dudes
In the 50s until the 80s Sweden had enough military power to protect the country. But that was then. Today the situation is very different due to political decisions. Many politicians are to blame here.
Sweden and Finland will be welcome allies in nato, through strength we maintain security. The time of appeasing Rouge nations and radical dictators are over. Than you putin for this once in a lifetime blunder. You have made the west stronger than ever before 👏
@@isakjohansson7134 Well we do have alot of useful idiots to Putin here , but if Finland joins , the majority here also wants to join Nato, you should respect the majority even if you dont want to.
@@matso3856 Most people ive asked dont want to join and that is as close you can get to knowing what people think when we arent allowed to vote on it. And stop talking about Putin, it has nothing to do with him, i want nothing to do with either side, heck i'd love to get rid of our own governlent too. 🤖🤖🤖
@@isakjohansson7134 Living in a bubble with folks who only have the same opinion is not fact checking , how many did you ask ? If your arguing for Putins position , and at the same time dont want anything from him you are a his 'useful idiot'. Defund the goverment ? We know we are better of as a nation state then what we were before it. Dont tell me you also belive the lies that Nato is used for offensive purposes, is it better or worse to have other nations come to your aid or not ?
Yes. The moderate party prime minister Reinfeldt 2006-2014 removed all Sweden's reserves. Sweden has no manpower reserves, no civil defence and no artillery, so Sweden unconditionally need to follow where Finland goes. On the other hand NATO will need both Finland and Sweden to protect its northern flank.
@@ottomeyer6928 What "what?" Sweden has heavy weapons. It has hi-tech anti-tank weapons, hi-tech airpower and a fair naval force. Not artillery though. Sweden is unbalanced, not defenceless.
@@rursus8354 Sweden never had a HUGE artillery. We expected to not have air superiority so we concentrated our forces to be light and nimble and fight exactly the way Ukraine is fighting bow. That the Nlaw, AT4 and Carl-Gustav are designed in Sweden was not a coincidence. Right now Sweden have 48 pieces if the Archer Artillery System.
@Victor Bonello Ehh...Sweden usually sells more weapons TO the US than we buy from the US. Ladt year was an outlier because we bought some patriot systems. The US are poised to buy some Archer artillery systems from us though.
Everyone talks about the protection of article 5, but it is the obligation of article 5 that has kept Sweden out of NATO for decades. The obligation to come defend another country and spend your blood and treasure to protect them.
Think NATO need Sweden more Then Sweden need NATO . Especially Gotland in concern of baltic states security. Nato ( us) and Swedish weaponindustry has Close Ties as well . In THE Long run we must get along with russia in THE baltic sea . Returning to some tradeexchanges . But Gotland and Finland cant have threats hanging over their head wheater you join or not ..
Yeah, I really don't see why Sweden is worried. The only way Russia can get at Sweden by land is by going through Finland. I doubt that Russia currently has the capability to do an amphibious invasion of Sweden.
@@hymns4ever197 That would have been true , if not for the French , who sold thiers in the late 90's. So no they actually have really good capability , not for the size of Sweden , but for the island in the middle of the Baltic sea - Gotland.
Think its about safe routes in THE baltic concerning THE Lng gas supplies mostly and other vessels . IF russia want to sabotage . Naval presence would be Good to prevent that.
No Sweden is not worried about russian going the landway . But IF Finland joins Sweden could as well apply due to baltic sea stability . Sweden norway dont want Finland to be attacked with a threat of having russia next Door
Nato came to Russian border.... Nato must go back to West germany as agreed in the end of war 2 and stop putting Nato Rockets, bombs, Chemical and Nuclear wepon in in Ukraine, Poland and want to do that in Finland and Sweden too ... Nato must stop going East and give Russia security guarantee than putting oil on fire... Otherwise Nuclear wepon will be used by Russia soon.... They have right to save thier country and people from Nato aggresive
Pay attention to Turkey . It used to a big power country with some famous histories with the Armanians and later the Kurts and now with the entry of Finnland and Sweden into NATO. May God protect the good and punish the bad ones. ✌️✌️✌️
If memory serves me correctly it took Montenegro and North Macedonia about 10 years to become full NATO members after adopting an action plan of sorts. Hopefully Finland and Sweden will take less time. A lot can happen in these Nordic countries in that time. But good move by both countries and Pootin should be so proud of this achievement because he cannot be proud of his achievements in Ukraine.
@@belgiumbunlover5787 The Finnish president Niinistö explains here what also has changed making both Sweden's and Finland's previous neutrality possibility now impossible. th-cam.com/video/WVU7TUBZki8/w-d-xo.html Finland's president reveals what Putin told him on phone call
You said yourself my friend, you “can not comprehend the idea of allowing another person to dictate my actions”. Sadly it happens to us all every day, sure you lock your door at night, lock your car, don’t leave valuables on display, don’t leave your kids unattended. The fact you quote “can’t comprehend it” doesn’t mean it’s not happening to you.
Maybe im ignorant to this but whay would be the point of sweden joing nato as far as there own national security from russia? They dont share any border with russia and the only way to get to sweden from russia on land would be to go through pre established nato members.
NATO should be able to perform defensive strategies and activities for counties that are NOT members but who wish to contract NATO for military assistance. Since when must one be a member of a police squad to enjoy the protection of the police squad?
Under Putin Russia has plunged into a political, economic and military abyss. In the US to describe it we would apply the colloquial saying; Putin has done everything "bass ackwards".
@@elchacal535 Doing great? It's nothing but a dead cat bounce. The full effect will unfortunately cause great damage to the Russian people. El Chacal was nothing but a mad terrorist.
Sweden is not against NATO but Most Swedish are very independent minded. Sweden wanted a Scandinavia defense army long before NATO, since Sweden can produce all kinds of weapons from fighters jets to missiles. We all saw Sweden took a different approach on Corona and in long term they might have been right interms of economic psychological effects of lockdowns.
@@belgiumbunlover5787 most Scandinavia govt have zero corruption very transparent system. Why should they not trust their govt. It's because govt and it's people are one. Let's see what they decide soon.
@@belgiumbunlover5787 lol what? Almost everyone I know criticise the government, no matter what coalition is in power. I wouldn't claim we were "more than happy" to join the EU, with all the discussions and protests at the time. Break the rules, like what rules? Can you even specify one? Also we've known for a very long time that our military can't compare to the russian one, or the old sovjet one...I mean, we're a country of 10M people against russia? It's logical to think that we can't go toe to toe with them alone, that's why we have nurtured diplomatic ties around the globe, but because Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoced and seems a little unhinged, there is safety in numbers. Stop trolling so much on the net...
Why Sweden and Finland was doing better than the nato countries? Being neutral adds value to each countries, they can trade both side without problems, now you will isolate your neighbor which is also your biggest trading partner. Will you still be able to afford the social programs ? Nato will not be able to actually help Finland when it’s a nuclear response, This is an Emotional decisions, made by weakling who running from their own shadow!
That is the sad truth that Russia could decide to invade and if you're not in NATO your fair game and have to fight a war like Ukraine. Get in and make the whole civilized world stronger and maybe someday Russia will join the civilized world and not work through fear.
Here in Finland the elected MPs represent the people and when they strongly agree there is no need for a referendum each time. I believe Sweden is very similar.
@@hurri7720 Yeah except they were against NATO the last election season and remained that way up until about a month ago. NATO is also highly controversial here. I may add that the first opinion poll (representing about 1100 people) had only a 42% approval rate of NATO. The second was a few percents lower allededgly and that was a week after or so. Somehow it jumped to 57% approval rate a few days later. If its that inconsistant than it has zero credibility, as if it would have that either way when only 0.0001 percent of the population is asked.
@@isakjohansson7134 You are not telling the full picture. In the same 42% poll , they asked what we should do if Finland join Nato , then 65% was for joining as well.
@@matso3856 It still only represtents a thousand or so people. Everyone 18 or up should've been allowed to vote on this because otherwise you can just pull numbers out your _ss And another thing is that they werent allowed to vote either.
Sweden is a major safehouse, funding and recruiting center for not only the PKK, but ISIS, al-shabaab. And for that matter, so is Finland. Both countries are major suppliers of welfare and fighters for Islamic terrorist organizations that attack western interests. They will need to decide whose interests they are most interested in safeguarding and neither country since 2015 can be relied upon to serve their own peoples interests above foreign criminals and terrorists.
The only country I can think if occupied and threat with casual beli ie war is Turkey. Occupied Cyprus and threat with war Greece if the excersise UNCLOS despite Turkey has make use of it.Also try to destabilise EU by try to sent milions of illegal immigrants into Greece and spread into EU blackmail for 6 billion not only that cooperate with Belarus to sent immigrants theyr in order try to push them into Poland as well.
It's up to them, But when a psychopath walks all over them who will they call,, That's right nato help us we have been invaded, If they do not join, then, Then do'nt come crying for our help,, Simple as that,,
A closer EU defensive cooperation agreement would be preferred over nato membership, but in these times we can't be too picky so we'll have to make do with nato...
@@ottomeyer6928 yes. Why join nato when they don't need protection. Joining nato will make sweden a lapdog of US. Sweden will end up as a victim to maintain US hegemony
Russia attacks neutral countries. That has happened again and again. Russia, and even the Soviets, never attacked a NATO country. The calculation is easy.
I think we should be careful about this development. Many commentators what are In The Know, advise that it's best to keep a neutral buffer zone between The West and the Russian Bear. Nato right up to the borders will press all the wrong buttons... no pun intended.
Nah. Pootin just wanted to invade and occupy the whole Ukraine from the very beginning bcoz Ukraine is richer and better than russia. NATO too close to russia border is just pootin's BS propaganda.
The Finnish president Niinistö explains here what also has changed making both Sweden's and Finland's previous neutrality possibility now impossible. th-cam.com/video/WVU7TUBZki8/w-d-xo.html Finland's president reveals what Putin told him on phone call
Russia needs Sweden to learn how to behave among neighbours. The lack of human behaviour is obvious with Russia. We are not living in Stoneage, or are we ?
The precent position of Sweden being a defenceless nation gives it little choise. The Social democrsts and the Moderat party together with the Green party has betrayed the nation of Sweden. They have put Sweden in a no choise position. It might have served Sweden to join NATO before it is forced to do it. Ukraine has so far survived due to massive help and the fact they have an army of close to 300 000. Sweden needs an Army of minimum 6 brigades they have 1,7 on top of that they need 20 to 50 defence battalions 60 kompanies of rapidly moving kompanies. Lastly they need a home guard units of as many as they can field. Hopefully 100 000 men.
@@FINNSTIGAT0RIt has to do with Geography. It is understandeble that nations like Portugal, Spain, Holkand Belgium and so on would do it. Nations closer to Russia like Finland, The Baltic states, Poland and Sweden is not in a geografic position to do so so they did not with the exeption of Sweden. Before WWI and WWII the Swedis defence was a disaster and now Sweden is there again. The politicians in Sweden takes little or no responsibility for national security.
Look at the length of Vladolf Putin's table, not a guy who is ready to die. You're being ridiculous. Russia's propagandists should understand Vladolf's threats sealed the NATO application decision, hold Putin to account.
@A2Z "Turkey can string this out endlessly..."? No, Turkey most definitely CANNOT "...string this out endlessly..." Turkey's economy is in meltdown, with the inflation approaching an annualised rate of 70+%. Turkey needs serious help.
@@gloin10 No help will ever improve Turkey until Erdogan starts believing in basic economic theory. You know like how interest rates and inflation works on the most basic level.
Whole world should join NATO.. It free security and free weapons, money from American tax money.. Free security great 😇 Great America... Hurry 👏👏 Let"s all join NATO..
𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮-𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗪𝗮𝗿: 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗣𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗼𝗿𝗮 𝗕𝗼𝘅 𝗶𝘀 𝗢𝗽𝗲𝗻 The ramifications of this war run much deeper than the impact it will cause to those directly involved in the conflict. It will reshape the world, as it is likely that other latent frictions between countries and territories will be activated as a consequence of the Russia-Ukraine situation. This war just opened an era of wars, small and large, between different peoples. UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recently said that this war could easily become "the biggest war in Europe since 1945", and I agree. If countries with similar backgrounds cannot reach agreement between them, then how much more likely it is that several countries that have big differences and ancient conflicts may easily slip into war for no apparent justifiable reason. On a personal level, it saddens me to see how fate turns around and once again we find ourselves at war. I am sorry and restless since I have many students in Russia and Ukraine who are under threat and feel how the deteriorating situation is affecting them and the whole world. In Israel, too, I have many students who follow with concern what is happening in Eastern Europe, anxious about the fate of their family members and friends. My hope is that the manifestations of hatred between the Russians and the Ukrainians will stop soon, two peoples who have lived side by side throughout history. If it were still possible, I would give everything I could to silence, calm down, avoid the escalation, but this is impossible for now. There is not much that we can do at this stage. We can only long for peace and a ceasefire, talk about all parties showing restraint. The parties in conflict could follow the example of the Native American tribes who buried their hostility in a ceremony during which previously warring tribes agreed to settle their differences and live in harmony, and sealed their agreement by the chief of each tribe burying a war hatchet in the ground. Such a scenario does not look realistic under the current circumstances. Thus, above the forces of hostility, above the egoism and control as the driving forces of all the conflicts in the world, we can only raise a global prayer for peace, asking that we all get along with everyone. Because only in the power of connection and in the connection between our hearts, can a great positive force arise, a force that is able to unite all parties, to reconcile the haters, to awaken the truth in us all that we all belong to one soul. As it is written, “He who makes peace in His heights, may He make peace upon us…” (The Book of Job, 25:2)
It's been a while since my government has done something I'm genuinely proud of, but I am truly proud that the UK stepped up to provide security guarantees for Finland and Sweden during their application process. We would be proud and honoured to welcome both of these strong cultures into NATO.
As an American, I was impressed by Britain's tenacity in this. Mess with Finland and you'll find yourself messing with the British Army, Royal Marines, Royal Navy, and Royal Air Force. And you don't want that.
@@fredmidtgaard5487 Why? Brexit? I'm not a big fan of the EU experiment either. It started out, to my perception, as an economic cooperation zone. Now it seems to be a social engineering exercise to undermine the soveriegnty of the nation-state.
@@ashcarrier6606 The UK cannot guarantee anything in Scandinavia. It is a PR stunt! Leave us alone. We do not like you!
@@ashcarrier6606 Spot on the money , basicly the rich and politicans wants to be an equal powerhouse to the US , which I dont think the US will allow.
@@ashcarrier6606 EU is a great thing. Yes we did stumble a bit the first 10 years, we have started to learn how to walk now and in the future we might be able to run.
No need to be grateful or see it as coming to your ‘rescue’, we share common values and friendship and it’s in all our interests to have solidarity with the Finns and Swedes to support them if they are attacked and deter further barbarous aggression.
Absolutely! NATO also benefits from having two more military competent countries. Putin is NOT having a good year.
Sweden & Finland will ask for to become NATO members! Good or Not, is up to them to Decide, Not Russia!! Personally, I'm Pro-NATO and Happy they Finally want to Join!!! Baltic Sea will become a Free Sea ...
It been a free sea for some time now. Russia will probably keep snooping around in it though, unfortunately.
Remember... Russia warned Ukraine not to join NATO before they decided to invade it. Now they threatened Sweden in the same manner
Remember, Russia has never stopped trying to expand in its history. Everyone has been attacked at one time or another by it. If your from Texas you might like to hear about the Aleut or Tinglit First Nations in what is now Alaska.
Sweden and Finland won't play either
good should learn to keep their mouth shut.
Have they been keeping some other, larger, more competent force in reserve in order to annex Finland and Sweden?
I don't think so. Russia is basically powerless to stop this. Putin is reduced to making empty nuclear threats. Who cares where Russia parks its mobile launchers?
Given their performance in Ukraine, they might as well commit suicide themselves and not suffer any further humiliation. Finland has been whopping the Orcs all along the XXth century and have a way better, more professional and better equipped Army than the Orcs do.
I bought a tank. It’s insured and taxed and fully ready. My hateful neighbour hates it cos his tank hasn’t been maintained. But his bullying has annoyed most of my neighbours so we are making an alliance against the rotten neighbour. We have a vote on it today
@@basiltozer9078 New tanks not realy, abit hard since he only makes 1.4 trillions when the neighbourhood makes 32.2 trillion and is 740 million neighbours were his house is only 140 million 😉
U bought a tank but your neighbour has nuclear missiles in warehouse fully ready in addition to lousy tank parked on the yard
@@enduttomblok6232 If your neighbour services his nuclear missiles like he's servicing his tanks, I'm fairly sure he has a warehouse full of duds.
@@lorenzcassidy3960 your neighbour fired a lot of conventional missiles already and they performed perfectly. I'm sure whatever missiles stored in the warehouse aren't dudes
But your neighbor has gas for his tank. You don't. And your neighbor owns the local gas station. Oh oh.
Peace is coming all dictators has healthy issues, 🇨🇳Xi Jinping, 🇷🇺Putin, 🇰🇵kim jung un 🤪 all sick
@michael stapelberg 😂😂😂 yess indeed but US has human rights those clowns just killing who stand up
yes lets be positive, and afterwards, anybody that wants to be a politician must be banished to mars
@@colinalmendro4463 especially by those countries full check up by nato 😂
So...your bully neighbor is threatening them and wondering why they want to protect themselves!!?
Got it!
It's not bullying. It's special intimidation operation 😃
In the 50s until the 80s Sweden had enough military power to protect the country. But that was then. Today the situation is very different due to political decisions. Many politicians are to blame here.
@bruce parka Putin is to blame for Sweden joining NATO. But Swedish disarmament is our own fault.
Of course due to the support that will be available from other members.
Why the heck not?
Sweden and Finland will be welcome allies in nato, through strength we maintain security. The time of appeasing Rouge nations and radical dictators are over. Than you putin for this once in a lifetime blunder. You have made the west stronger than ever before 👏
Swedish Chef, bringing Putin, to the boil.
Peppersausn, mbork, mbork.
Good ! Putins ego to big !
send putin some Surströmming and he will surrender to peace
We welcome our Swedish friends into NATO - We would love to have you.
Well if we couldnt get a Nordic Alliance , its the next best thing.
We dont want to join goddmn it
@@isakjohansson7134 Well we do have alot of useful idiots to Putin here , but if Finland joins , the majority here also wants to join Nato, you should respect the majority even if you dont want to.
@@matso3856 Most people ive asked dont want to join and that is as close you can get to knowing what people think when we arent allowed to vote on it. And stop talking about Putin, it has nothing to do with him, i want nothing to do with either side, heck i'd love to get rid of our own governlent too. 🤖🤖🤖
@@isakjohansson7134 Living in a bubble with folks who only have the same opinion is not fact checking , how many did you ask ? If your arguing for Putins position , and at the same time dont want anything from him you are a his 'useful idiot'. Defund the goverment ? We know we are better of as a nation state then what we were before it. Dont tell me you also belive the lies that Nato is used for offensive purposes, is it better or worse to have other nations come to your aid or not ?
Turkey should not be the first to speak when it comes to democracy and human rights . vote out
Absolutely NOT
Yes. The moderate party prime minister Reinfeldt 2006-2014 removed all Sweden's reserves. Sweden has no manpower reserves, no civil defence and no artillery, so Sweden unconditionally need to follow where Finland goes. On the other hand NATO will need both Finland and Sweden to protect its northern flank.
what without heavy weapons?
@@ottomeyer6928 What "what?" Sweden has heavy weapons. It has hi-tech anti-tank weapons, hi-tech airpower and a fair naval force. Not artillery though. Sweden is unbalanced, not defenceless.
@@rursus8354 Sweden never had a HUGE artillery. We expected to not have air superiority so we concentrated our forces to be light and nimble and fight exactly the way Ukraine is fighting bow. That the Nlaw, AT4 and Carl-Gustav are designed in Sweden was not a coincidence. Right now Sweden have 48 pieces if the Archer Artillery System.
Also, it was the parliament that decided, bot the Moderates alone.
@Victor Bonello Ehh...Sweden usually sells more weapons TO the US than we buy from the US. Ladt year was an outlier because we bought some patriot systems. The US are poised to buy some Archer artillery systems from us though.
Everyone talks about the protection of article 5, but it is the obligation of article 5 that has kept Sweden out of NATO for decades. The obligation to come defend another country and spend your blood and treasure to protect them.
Join, join, join..
Swede needs to be part of NATO in order to help more European nations in need.
Putin is doing a great job in bringing about the downfall of Russia! Good job Putin!
Think NATO need Sweden more Then Sweden need NATO . Especially Gotland in concern of baltic states security. Nato ( us) and Swedish weaponindustry has Close Ties as well . In THE Long run we must get along with russia in THE baltic sea . Returning to some tradeexchanges . But Gotland and Finland cant have threats hanging over their head wheater you join or not ..
Yeah, I really don't see why Sweden is worried. The only way Russia can get at Sweden by land is by going through Finland. I doubt that Russia currently has the capability to do an amphibious invasion of Sweden.
@@hymns4ever197 That would have been true , if not for the French , who sold thiers in the late 90's. So no they actually have really good capability , not for the size of Sweden , but for the island in the middle of the Baltic sea - Gotland.
Think its about safe routes in THE baltic concerning THE Lng gas supplies mostly and other vessels . IF russia want to sabotage . Naval presence would be Good to prevent that.
No Sweden is not worried about russian going the landway . But IF Finland joins Sweden could as well apply due to baltic sea stability . Sweden norway dont want Finland to be attacked with a threat of having russia next Door
Nato came to Russian border.... Nato must go back to West germany as agreed in the end of war 2 and stop putting Nato Rockets, bombs, Chemical and Nuclear wepon in in Ukraine, Poland and want to do that in Finland and Sweden too ... Nato must stop going East and give Russia security guarantee than putting oil on fire... Otherwise Nuclear wepon will be used by Russia soon.... They have right to save thier country and people from Nato aggresive
it's too late for that ... people are too brainwashed to see the truth ... so goodbye human kind, goodbye peace ....
Pay attention to Turkey . It used to a big power country with some famous histories with the Armanians and later the Kurts and now with the entry of Finnland and Sweden into NATO. May God protect the good and punish the bad ones. ✌️✌️✌️
Turkey is in Putin gas pocket??
EU sanctions for Turkey , tack så mycket🤣
Go Finland and Sweden for NATO for Security Guarantee and thanks to Help in Ukraine to Save Lives May God bless 🇺🇦
If memory serves me correctly it took Montenegro and North Macedonia about 10 years to become full NATO members after adopting an action plan of sorts. Hopefully Finland and Sweden will take less time. A lot can happen in these Nordic countries in that time. But good move by both countries and Pootin should be so proud of this achievement because he cannot be proud of his achievements in Ukraine.
Finland and especially Sweden are more NATO compatible than most NATO countries
It’s the other way around. NATO needs Sweden.
Why?
@@wessexdruid7598, just a spell of slight Swedish hubris.
@@belgiumbunlover5787
The Finnish president Niinistö explains here what also has changed making both Sweden's and Finland's previous neutrality possibility now impossible.
th-cam.com/video/WVU7TUBZki8/w-d-xo.html
Finland's president reveals what Putin told him on phone call
I doubt Russia could even invade a retirement home let alone a country.
You also escalate nuclear tensions bringing Nato to Russian border.Needless provocation.
I can not comprehend the idea of allowing another person to dictate my actions or decisions. Maybe I wasn't born spineless.
You said yourself my friend, you “can not comprehend the idea of allowing another person to dictate my actions”. Sadly it happens to us all every day, sure you lock your door at night, lock your car, don’t leave valuables on display, don’t leave your kids unattended. The fact you quote “can’t comprehend it” doesn’t mean it’s not happening to you.
I suppose you must be a very decent law abiding person unless you have already spent time in prison or write from prison.
Maybe im ignorant to this but whay would be the point of sweden joing nato as far as there own national security from russia? They dont share any border with russia and the only way to get to sweden from russia on land would be to go through pre established nato members.
😆 I do not believe that they will protects us!
NATO should be able to perform defensive strategies and activities for counties that are NOT members but who wish to contract NATO for military assistance.
Since when must one be a member of a police squad to enjoy the protection of the police squad?
Good point. The only problem is that it might then make NATO look like a hired army - i.e. mercenaries. Generally, mercenaries have a bad reputation.
Like the health service, NATO costs money to run, so if you need NATO as an insurance, then you need to pay into the scheme....
Police forces have jurisdictions and generally operate in their local areas.
Grow up.
That was a bit silly, since when would an American "police squad" help people in Sweden. You know "citizenship", (a member of a country).
Under Putin Russia has plunged into a political, economic and military abyss. In the US to describe it we would apply the colloquial saying; Putin has done everything "bass ackwards".
Nope, Russian economyis doing great and so is their currency. The same can't be said about the west.
@@elchacal535 Doing great? It's nothing but a dead cat bounce. The full effect will unfortunately cause great damage to the Russian people. El Chacal was nothing but a mad terrorist.
Why would Sweden be attacked by Russia?
Sweden is not against NATO but Most Swedish are very independent minded. Sweden wanted a Scandinavia defense army long before NATO, since Sweden can produce all kinds of weapons from fighters jets to missiles. We all saw Sweden took a different approach on Corona and in long term they might have been right interms of economic psychological effects of lockdowns.
@@belgiumbunlover5787 most Scandinavia govt have zero corruption very transparent system. Why should they not trust their govt. It's because govt and it's people are one. Let's see what they decide soon.
@@belgiumbunlover5787 lol what? Almost everyone I know criticise the government, no matter what coalition is in power. I wouldn't claim we were "more than happy" to join the EU, with all the discussions and protests at the time. Break the rules, like what rules? Can you even specify one? Also we've known for a very long time that our military can't compare to the russian one, or the old sovjet one...I mean, we're a country of 10M people against russia? It's logical to think that we can't go toe to toe with them alone, that's why we have nurtured diplomatic ties around the globe, but because Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoced and seems a little unhinged, there is safety in numbers.
Stop trolling so much on the net...
@@TheExcessus Well Sweden almost had the atom bomb, that would've kept the USSR at bay :D
@@FINNSTIGAT0R pfft, atom bombs are for cowards. We'll just send another De la Gardie army to sieze Moscow...
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Finland Szweden
Why Sweden and Finland was doing better than the nato countries?
Being neutral adds value to each countries, they can trade both side without problems, now you will isolate your neighbor which is also your biggest trading partner.
Will you still be able to afford the social programs ?
Nato will not be able to actually help Finland when it’s a nuclear response,
This is an Emotional decisions, made by weakling who running from their own shadow!
That is the sad truth that Russia could decide to invade and if you're not in NATO your fair game and have to fight a war like Ukraine. Get in and make the whole civilized world stronger and maybe someday Russia will join the civilized world and not work through fear.
Szwed strong army Gripen Saab
‘To come to our rescue ‘, meaning worldwar. Do you want this?
No we dont.
And we didnt get to vote over it.
How democratic
Here in Finland the elected MPs represent the people and when they strongly agree there is no need for a referendum each time. I believe Sweden is very similar.
@@hurri7720 Yeah except they were against NATO the last election season and remained that way up until about a month ago. NATO is also highly controversial here.
I may add that the first opinion poll (representing about 1100 people) had only a 42% approval rate of NATO. The second was a few percents lower allededgly and that was a week after or so. Somehow it jumped to 57% approval rate a few days later. If its that inconsistant than it has zero credibility, as if it would have that either way when only 0.0001 percent of the population is asked.
@@isakjohansson7134 You are not telling the full picture. In the same 42% poll , they asked what we should do if Finland join Nato , then 65% was for joining as well.
@@matso3856 It still only represtents a thousand or so people. Everyone 18 or up should've been allowed to vote on this because otherwise you can just pull numbers out your _ss
And another thing is that they werent allowed to vote either.
@@isakjohansson7134 Well if people truly dont want this , they can all vote for the old communist party in the election.
NATO needs Sweden and Finland too
No it doesn't. The additionn of their forces is not enormous. But it's easy to make ordinary people think that it does.
No it doesn't
Sweden is a major safehouse, funding and recruiting center for not only the PKK, but ISIS, al-shabaab. And for that matter, so is Finland. Both countries are major suppliers of welfare and fighters for Islamic terrorist organizations that attack western interests. They will need to decide whose interests they are most interested in safeguarding and neither country since 2015 can be relied upon to serve their own peoples interests above foreign criminals and terrorists.
@fensterfred well, Sweden and Finland better get their bribe wallets out, because everyone from the Croats to the Turks have empty pockets.
The only country I can think if occupied and threat with casual beli ie war is Turkey. Occupied Cyprus and threat with war Greece if the excersise UNCLOS despite Turkey has make use of it.Also try to destabilise EU by try to sent milions of illegal immigrants into Greece and spread into EU blackmail for 6 billion not only that cooperate with Belarus to sent immigrants theyr in order try to push them into Poland as well.
The Turkish prime minister hasn't been serving own people's interests for a long time.
ON S'EN FOU DE QUOI TU PARLES
So how much did Putin pay you?
It's up to them,
But when a psychopath walks all over them who will they call,,
That's right nato help us we have been invaded,
If they do not join, then,
Then do'nt come crying for our help,,
Simple as that,,
A closer EU defensive cooperation agreement would be preferred over nato membership, but in these times we can't be too picky so we'll have to make do with nato...
Sweden doesn't need protection if staying neutral. sweden definitely needs nato protection if applied for nato membership
if Sweden stays neutral then they can't join nato
@@ottomeyer6928 yes. Why join nato when they don't need protection. Joining nato will make sweden a lapdog of US. Sweden will end up as a victim to maintain US hegemony
this doesn’t even make sense.
Russia attacks neutral countries. That has happened again and again.
Russia, and even the Soviets, never attacked a NATO country.
The calculation is easy.
I think we should be careful about this development. Many commentators what are In The Know, advise that it's best to keep a neutral buffer zone between The West and the Russian Bear. Nato right up to the borders will press all the wrong buttons... no pun intended.
lol putin is the stupidest man alive
Nah. Pootin just wanted to invade and occupy the whole Ukraine from the very beginning bcoz Ukraine is richer and better than russia. NATO too close to russia border is just pootin's BS propaganda.
The Finnish president Niinistö explains here what also has changed making both Sweden's and Finland's previous neutrality possibility now impossible.
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Finland's president reveals what Putin told him on phone call
No commentators in the know say this. It's just a version of the common Kremlin talking point.
Does Russia need Sweden? 🤓
When you have a giant sulk, then you dont need anyone
Russia needs Sweden to learn how to behave among neighbours. The lack of human behaviour is obvious with Russia. We are not living in Stoneage, or are we ?
The precent position of Sweden being a defenceless nation gives it little choise. The Social democrsts and the Moderat party together with the Green party has betrayed the nation of Sweden. They have put Sweden in a no choise position. It might have served Sweden to join NATO before it is forced to do it. Ukraine has so far survived due to massive help and the fact they have an army of close to 300 000. Sweden needs an Army of minimum 6 brigades they have 1,7 on top of that they need 20 to 50 defence battalions 60 kompanies of rapidly moving kompanies. Lastly they need a home guard units of as many as they can field. Hopefully 100 000 men.
You can take comfort on the fact that many European countries downsized their militaries drastically, not just Sweden.
@@FINNSTIGAT0RIt has to do with Geography. It is understandeble that nations like Portugal, Spain, Holkand Belgium and so on would do it. Nations closer to Russia like Finland, The Baltic states, Poland and Sweden is not in a geografic position to do so so they did not with the exeption of Sweden. Before WWI and WWII the Swedis defence was a disaster and now Sweden is there again. The politicians in Sweden takes little or no responsibility for national security.
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I understand. Well, let's just hope the Swedish forces will be built back again.
From Tuesday channel that talks more about us suffering a Nuclear holocaust than any other
Look at the length of Vladolf Putin's table, not a guy who is ready to die.
You're being ridiculous.
Russia's propagandists should understand Vladolf's threats sealed the NATO application decision, hold Putin to account.
Dont watch it then Smart Boy.
Turkey can string this out endlessly .
@A2Z
"Turkey can string this out endlessly..."?
No, Turkey most definitely CANNOT "...string this out endlessly..."
Turkey's economy is in meltdown, with the inflation approaching an annualised rate of 70+%.
Turkey needs serious help.
@@gloin10 No help will ever improve Turkey until Erdogan starts believing in basic economic theory.
You know like how interest rates and inflation works on the most basic level.
Only cowards going gangs
Whole world should join NATO.. It free security and free weapons, money from American tax money..
Free security great 😇
Great America... Hurry 👏👏
Let"s all join NATO..
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The ramifications of this war run much deeper than the impact it will cause to those directly involved in the conflict. It will reshape the world, as it is likely that other latent frictions between countries and territories will be activated as a consequence of the Russia-Ukraine situation. This war just opened an era of wars, small and large, between different peoples.
UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recently said that this war could easily become "the biggest war in Europe since 1945", and I agree. If countries with similar backgrounds cannot reach agreement between them, then how much more likely it is that several countries that have big differences and ancient conflicts may easily slip into war for no apparent justifiable reason.
On a personal level, it saddens me to see how fate turns around and once again we find ourselves at war. I am sorry and restless since I have many students in Russia and Ukraine who are under threat and feel how the deteriorating situation is affecting them and the whole world. In Israel, too, I have many students who follow with concern what is happening in Eastern Europe, anxious about the fate of their family members and friends.
My hope is that the manifestations of hatred between the Russians and the Ukrainians will stop soon, two peoples who have lived side by side throughout history. If it were still possible, I would give everything I could to silence, calm down, avoid the escalation, but this is impossible for now.
There is not much that we can do at this stage. We can only long for peace and a ceasefire, talk about all parties showing restraint. The parties in conflict could follow the example of the Native American tribes who buried their hostility in a ceremony during which previously warring tribes agreed to settle their differences and live in harmony, and sealed their agreement by the chief of each tribe burying a war hatchet in the ground.
Such a scenario does not look realistic under the current circumstances. Thus, above the forces of hostility, above the egoism and control as the driving forces of all the conflicts in the world, we can only raise a global prayer for peace, asking that we all get along with everyone. Because only in the power of connection and in the connection between our hearts, can a great positive force arise, a force that is able to unite all parties, to reconcile the haters, to awaken the truth in us all that we all belong to one soul. As it is written, “He who makes peace in His heights, may He make peace upon us…” (The Book of Job, 25:2)