This question was answered 3 years ago when UNDERGROUND PAINT KING used a 20 gallon and a cheap lvlp off of amazon. He truly is the peoples champ. He cared about us DIYers on a budget while everyone else just assumed we had thousands of dollars in tools laying around👌.
Thanks for the info. I actually got a great tip from The Gunman as well. I set the regulator to around 50 psi on my 25 gal Porter Cable compressor that puts out 5.1 SCFM and now I never have fluctuations while continuously using an LVLP gun.
I painted my Jeep CJ-7 with an R500 gun with the old Harbor Freight 21 gallon Central Pneumatic compressor which i think is about 4.5 CFM. Did I get a great finish? No, not really, but I'm an amateur and painted it outside with a cheap single state urethane. I'm really pleased at how it turned out, all things considered. You may have played a significant role in that. Thanks for all the education you provide!
I used 50L compressor for a whole car - 94 Mitsubishi Eclipse. I used HVLP gun because I was watching paintsociety and Brian was always talking about these guns. Even tho it was hard, it actually turned out great. Of course - there was a need for some cut and buff, but overall I was really happy with the result
I used the Drizzle D1 to paint a 1979 C10 base and clear and it came out great. I used a 5hp 60 gal compressor. Didn’t do the whole truck at once. Did the cab separate from the bed. Used the R500 for the sealer and primer. I’m sold on the lvlp guns for an open shop. I really appreciate all the reviews on the guns. Thanks from SW Oklahoma, keep up the good work!
Hello everyone i just got the d1 to try and paint a golf cart very little over spray looks fantastic thank you for all of the grate information if not for watching your videos i don't know i would have bought this gun stay safe and God bless
As a non-paint guy that was really interesting. HVLP paint guns use more air than I’d have figured. I run that compressor in my garage, mainly because it isn’t super loud and is 110. With a 1.1mm tipped plasma cutter it won’t keep up with that either, but I rarely do long continuous cutting.
Very interesting. Chris, thanks, you have given me a bit more confidence. I'm planning on painting my whole car soon, and it'll be my first auto spray out. I have the exact HF compressor, and have had questions. The guns I have to use with it are the Eastwood LT100 and the AEROPRO A610.
I got the older model hf 29 gallon compressor I've used my walcom slim kombat and still get a good finish I use a variety if guns including the d1 drizzle
I think it's overrated a absorbent filter at the gun and a water trap at the compressor. I've had so much moisture in my line from painting on a cold night that there was water dripping from the gun coupling but paint was still okay. For a diy it's not that big a deal.
man this is interesting 🤔...i think this compressor with the black widow would be another good review, i really think i can spray my mustang now...i appreciate this review...u the first i seen do it
The 4.5scfm rating for that compressor is likely for 90psi. Most compressors will also have ratings for various psi settings. The lower the psi, the higher the scfm.
Bingo! I use this same compressor for about a year now. I spray liquid wraps with it, I noticed I like using the HVLP guns better because they lay the product faster even though they gulp air down, better than the LVLP guns which works great with this compressor but they take much longer.
Thanks for video! I just sprayed urethane on some panels on my mustang (hood, fenders, etc.) with my SP-33000 LVLP using a Central Pneumatic 21 gal AC. It produces 4.7cfm @ 90psi and 5.8cfm @ 40psi. The gun uses 3.5-3.9cfm so I assumed it would be ok. Watching your method of application I now realize I was going too fast and not overlapping enough. I ended up with some stripes. Not real bad but enough to notice. I know that stripes with a primer isn’t that much of a concern but I definitely don’t want that when I spray my color.
I used to spray 3 Coats of clear on everything but I find I put my Coats on fairly heavy so with that I only need 2 coats. You're really not what standing or polishing off too much clear if you just do a light polish, so two coats is pretty sufficient.
@@GarageNoise Thanks, the last time I had a respray done by a shop getting the finish up to excellent quality took a fair amount of compound with my DA. The LVLP doesn't seem like the best tool for thick second coatd of clear but maybe I'm wrong. Will have to play with some test pieces.
Hey air temp plays a major role which its why it may had kicked a lil later with the porphis. The cooler the air the more pressure can be stored if air is hit it creates more pressure
BTW, I have a Binks, several cheap harbor freight guns, some spectrums, a 500, a Europe whatever, and a few others. I use the Binks for my clear because it was a $500 gun when I got it. The spectrum hvlp is my backup. Mostly because I have watched and wanted to see all the differences in manufactures. Which there are a lot.
Very interesting video with surprising results, I've found that with the R500 based family of guns the reported CFM is not very reliable as most of them use more CFM than it states in the data sheets, my Rongpeng R500 has a stated CFM of around 4 but that is way out as from my tests it's around the same as a GTI ProLite with the T110 aircap that is around 10 CFM, my tests are not very scientific all I do is start with a full compressor then time how long it takes for the compressor to start and I got similar times from the R500 and ProLite🤔my results could be off though🤷♂ Love to see you test more guns this way Chris👌🙏👍John UK
You're not wrong and that's what others have measured like Pete's Hobbies, these guns are air pigs, they just use the LVLP marketing since there's no laws in place to prevent it and it makes it a gold mine for them to sell to DIYers
I have a Husky 20 gal quiet compressor, the manifold type regulator it came with was slow to recover, doesn't flow enough air. It caused fluctuations in output, but the main tank air pressure was ok. I installed a 5" power steering cooler, 4.7" 1.5" thick a/c muffin fan which fits the cooler perfectly, a water separator right after it, then to the tank. I removed the entire regulator manifold, installed a regulator water separator combo, .01 micron coalescing filter, and desiccant. The main tank has very little water now, it just pretty much mist when i drain the bottom. The water separator right after the cooler collects all the water. I might need to change it to a auto drain because when the pressure switch cuts off, there is no pressure in the cooler side. I use R500 sprayguns (Summit Racing lvlp, and Eastwood LT100, and a couple of Italco LVMP, shine and gloss model.
I appreciate all of your great videos. What mask should I use to spray a car in my garage that will keep me safe from isocyanates? Is the 3M 6001 organic vapor cartridge good enough? Also, I heard that isocyanates could get into your bloodstream through your eyes. What are your thoughts? Thanks again for your great work!
It looked like the LVLP gun had a smaller fan, so you moved along the panel slower. That may be why the compressor kicked on earlier than for the higher volume gun.
There's two versions of that air compressor. Yours, the quiet model 26gal 4.5 scfm and then the high performance 27gal 5.1 scfm. Both are the same price
Awesome video! You answered my question on your previous video i asked you about small compressors. Now i know what route to take for my mobile set up. Since the 20 gallon has about same power as this one, do you think I'll fine doing painting from it?
Hey Chris. Have you tried the ANi COMPACT? It's a Midi gun thats low CFM (4.45) and Italian made. Also reasonably priced at $125. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my A610. Apparently the ANi likes alot of pressure though. I've heard that spraying MS clears it likes to be around 40-45 psi!
Hi Chris, I just received my Porphis PRD 715. Seven days from China. I'm not sure how it got here so quickly? Man what a beautiful Spray gun and the machining is bomb :). Do you recall what your settings were for this spray out on the hood? Thanks!!
The compressor makes 4.5 scfm at 90psi but more when only using 20 to 25.. i have the compressor just above that one.. 26 gal and 200 psi. 5.1 at 90 i think. Its amazing how the 200 psi tank holds so much more ait than my old 30 gal tank that was 150psi
@@GarageNoise I'm getting back in because I just did Curb damage on wheels since. Now i'm stepping back in with small repairs. The new Gen sucks. No passion.
@@GarageNoise The Prices of base is stupid expensive, couldn't believe it. I bought around 8 honda colors to start with. See how it goes. Been using an old sata but I think I will try out this 610. It's cheap. if things go well, will upgrade to the Iwata lp 400. Keep my costs down for now. Have a good day
Do you think I would need to make a paint booth to paint with an LVLP in my garage or is just keeping some stuff covered with plastic in the garage enough to avoid overspray getting on everything?
Again a simple fix is to just add a portable tank to your small compressor. I have a 20 lb craftsman, and a 14 lb Campbell hausefield. I use the craftsman if I have a small repair, like a quarter panel. If I need paint a car I use the 20 and then put a 20 gallon craftsman portable I made cuz the motor blew up on her. I use an air bubble( tanks they sell at most stores like harbor freight) to paint on the lower air compressor if I feel lazy. 40 lbs is more then plenty to use for most tools and painting. I never have pressure issues and have painted many cars these days. Those air bubbles cost around $20. The hardware and a guage and the bubble is cheaper then a bigger compressor.
@GarageNoise my compressor that blew up ( the one I made into an air bubble) I added a fill nipple where the motor hole entered on top. Then on the other I added a triple tree where I have a guage , a low and high side. On the little air bubble you just add a water filter and a quick connect so you can get a hose about a foot and a half or so to put beside each other I also have a tree on it with a low and a high side.
@GarageNoise I wished I knew how to send pictures though TH-cam I would send you a picture of how to set up. It is a little complex to set them up but once you do it doubles your compressor size.
So let me ask you this, if you mixed the same amount of clear and sprayed it through a DV1 or Super Nova would it have used the same amount, more, or less compared to the guns used in this video?
Hey, I bought a car (67 chevelle) that has already been body filled and sanded. It's been sitting in primer for several years and now I'm working on it. I found a few dings in it that I'm working on. For being a noob, it's going well thanks to your channel. My question is, is it best to guide coat and sand the whole car with, say, 320 to look for other (not visible) low and high spots? Where do you start when taking over someone else's work? Thanks in advance.
Do you think the PRD717 is a better base and clear gun than the PRD716? Because the difference in buying a compressor is quite a bit of difference in price.
I used a dewalt 15 gallon 225 with a kiwami4 painting single stage on a 91 chevy k1500. It was 2 toned so it's not really a complete vehicle, no issues with pressure, says 50cfm @ 90, so not sure what it would be at 26-30 psi that I ran on the gun. Seemed to keep up for me, now that compressor only lasted a year but it was in the same room i painted in and sucked up everything in the air, have another one and it's not in the same room so maybe it'll last longer😅 The A160 puts out some material but it keeps up on the motorcycle peices I do, from candy to pearls, not sure if the 225 max psi is what helps it out over a 150psi max
A faster gun uses more paint, but it is more efficient on air use since you cover more area faster. The real test would be as you go further into painting a larger area like a full respray. Eventually, a hungrier gun will rear its head with having to let the compressor catch up. However, this also shows that these LVLP guns could also be not as low in air consumption as the manufacturer states, albeit still lower in comparison. This was a great experiment and very helpful to those with an open mind in what gun to choose for their needs. Both sprayed exceptionally well.
I was going to buy one of these drizzle setups yesterday but it states it consumes 9.7-10.2 cfm so i went with the r500 because of the 3-4 cfm it says it consumes
I have painted cars with a 20 gallon compressor before. With the right gun, it works out ok especially if the compressor can recover quickly. Mine does pretty well. I only have a filter on the end of the gun when using a compressor. I set it by feel and turn the air control on the gun if needed if I observe a pressure drop. Quickly compensate on the fly. If it drops too much, a pause at a point that is not in the middle of the panel...
What size lines u use? I think i have some bottlenecks in my system... i strugle to get preshure higher than 22psi throughs spraygun.. and it drops preshure aproximetly 1 psi in a minute. I have 13gal 2.2hp compresor.
It kicked on later than the Drizzle because it has a wider fan pattern, and it took fewer passes to get to that location on the hood. You made many more passes with the Drizzle.
I will be painting a whole truck but I plan to paint the bed separately and I will be using a blow spray booth as well I need to go find your video on that I just bought me one
I dont understand why a compressor that has a higher cfm than the gun isnt able to use a smaller tank like a 5 gallon pancake? Are there no quiet compressors out there that could be used with it running longer? Im in an apartment and painting on the driveway with a booth made from tarps. Not ideal but being 85lbs i cant carry a compressor up and down a flight of stairs. I look at ut like a tankless vs a hot water heater with a tank. It would need q tank to keep pressure stable but if it is able to produce more osi qnd cfm than the gun needs, the compressor wont last as long, but im not a professional using it a lot. Is this possible?
D1 is the same as the a610. The seller says 10-13 cfm but that cant be right because the porphis is 10.5 and the d1 uses less air than that IMO I think it's around 7-10 cfm
Hi im beginner i bought a cheap gun on ebay 39 i paint a bumper and didn’t went like i would like to a lot orange peel a d runs what gun would you recommend me to buy and how to i set it up also im using same clear coat that you using thanks
Grew up in a small town, now I’m remote in Alaska. Painting has been a long time hobby but very little exposer to the real world. You’ve brought me forward by many decades!
Scfm= standard cubic feet per min it’s a measurement in standard but when used in the air compression industry it’s commonly used to boost the rating of compressor unfortunately low cost consumer compressors are very deceptive in the marketing.
I got a lvlp gun still getting used to it but I seem to be getting under or over atomized particals you experience this I’ve tried everything . I either have to large or droplet or turn it up and the shop is fogged up with overspray kind a annoying not something I experience with HTE gun that’s my normal go to for lacquer paint, clears and sealers @garagenoise
The D1 is just a rebranded A610. It claims around 4cfm but that's just the lying chinese marketing,their numbers are all over the place. Pete's Hobbies measured them closer to 8cfm. The Porphis got more coverage before air ran out because it delivers substantially more material than the D1. Using 80% of the air the Potphis uses doesn't mean its "20% more efficient" if it saves 20% of the air to put on only 50% of the material. That would mean that to get the same coverage it would use 160% of the air the porphis used
Great points, appreciate the comment. I'm guessing the D1 is between 7-10 but it is still less than most guns. I really like both guns. I like the reduced overspray of the D1, but the finish is better with the Porphis. The D1,a610,yt 160 are all rebranded R830 made by Rong Peng.
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This question was answered 3 years ago when UNDERGROUND PAINT KING used a 20 gallon and a cheap lvlp off of amazon. He truly is the peoples champ. He cared about us DIYers on a budget while everyone else just assumed we had thousands of dollars in tools laying around👌.
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I agree UPK is the People's Champ
Haha this is his burner account
@@marcusaurelius652seriously..that was some rude comments on someone else's Channel🙄😁
Thanks for the info.
I actually got a great tip from The Gunman as well.
I set the regulator to around 50 psi on my 25 gal Porter Cable compressor that puts out 5.1 SCFM and now I never have fluctuations while continuously using an LVLP gun.
I painted my Jeep CJ-7 with an R500 gun with the old Harbor Freight 21 gallon Central Pneumatic compressor which i think is about 4.5 CFM. Did I get a great finish? No, not really, but I'm an amateur and painted it outside with a cheap single state urethane. I'm really pleased at how it turned out, all things considered. You may have played a significant role in that. Thanks for all the education you provide!
Keep working it, appreciate the comment and support!
I used 50L compressor for a whole car - 94 Mitsubishi Eclipse. I used HVLP gun because I was watching paintsociety and Brian was always talking about these guns. Even tho it was hard, it actually turned out great. Of course - there was a need for some cut and buff, but overall I was really happy with the result
That's cool those hvlp spray nice but alot times consume more air.
@@GarageNoiseI am wondering would you use 2.75hp compressor with 50l tank or 1.75hp compressor with 100l tank to drive these guns
@@Jopakilo it's more about the cfm it produces. Which on produces more cfm?
I used the Drizzle D1 to paint a 1979 C10 base and clear and it came out great. I used a 5hp 60 gal compressor. Didn’t do the whole truck at once. Did the cab separate from the bed. Used the R500 for the sealer and primer. I’m sold on the lvlp guns for an open shop. I really appreciate all the reviews on the guns. Thanks from SW Oklahoma, keep up the good work!
Hello everyone i just got the d1 to try and paint a golf cart very little over spray looks fantastic thank you for all of the grate information if not for watching your videos i don't know i would have bought this gun stay safe and God bless
I’ll be using a 29 gallon with the r500 on 50 ft of 3/8 hose. 5.3scfm for an entire vehicle. Sealer. 4 coats base, 4 coats clear. Wish me luck lol.
how'd that turn out?
I use that exact compressor with an Aeropro A610. It does a pretty good job repainting panels, not very noisy either.
Super video!😊
It is super quite like they say.
As a non-paint guy that was really interesting. HVLP paint guns use more air than I’d have figured. I run that compressor in my garage, mainly because it isn’t super loud and is 110. With a 1.1mm tipped plasma cutter it won’t keep up with that either, but I rarely do long continuous cutting.
The video we’ve all been waiting for👍🏽
Very interesting. Chris, thanks, you have given me a bit more confidence. I'm planning on painting my whole car soon, and it'll be my first auto spray out. I have the exact HF compressor, and have had questions. The guns I have to use with it are the Eastwood LT100 and the AEROPRO A610.
The A610 is the Inokraft just different branding. So should work well. The Lt 100 consumes less air than the a610 so you should be good.
I got the older model hf 29 gallon compressor I've used my walcom slim kombat and still get a good finish I use a variety if guns including the d1 drizzle
I was pretty impressed with it.
How about a video on a good water oil removal system (afordable) for diy-er? Keep up the great videos.
I think it's overrated a absorbent filter at the gun and a water trap at the compressor. I've had so much moisture in my line from painting on a cold night that there was water dripping from the gun coupling but paint was still okay. For a diy it's not that big a deal.
@@DanielSan-ch7dr dealt with this. I may try leaving the compressor drain plug slightly cracked open to minimize water
man this is interesting 🤔...i think this compressor with the black widow would be another good review, i really think i can spray my mustang now...i appreciate this review...u the first i seen do it
I think I will definitely try some more guns.
The 4.5scfm rating for that compressor is likely for 90psi. Most compressors will also have ratings for various psi settings. The lower the psi, the higher the scfm.
The Porphis got further into the panel before the compressor kicked in because it was laying paint down faster. More paint for the air it used.
I think your right, I don't know why I didn't realize that. lol
Appreciate your comment and support!
Bingo! I use this same compressor for about a year now. I spray liquid wraps with it, I noticed I like using the HVLP guns better because they lay the product faster even though they gulp air down, better than the LVLP guns which works great with this compressor but they take much longer.
Thanks for video! I just sprayed urethane on some panels on my mustang (hood, fenders, etc.) with my SP-33000 LVLP using a Central Pneumatic 21 gal AC. It produces 4.7cfm @ 90psi and 5.8cfm @ 40psi. The gun uses 3.5-3.9cfm so I assumed it would be ok. Watching your method of application I now realize I was going too fast and not overlapping enough. I ended up with some stripes. Not real bad but enough to notice. I know that stripes with a primer isn’t that much of a concern but I definitely don’t want that when I spray my color.
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I use the same one with my aeropro a610 and it works amazing 💪🏼
Nice 👍
Do comparison with all “lvlp” guns and see what works best with small compressor
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This seems like a real option for the home painter to do a professional job. 3 coats of clear and polishing seem like a necessity though.
I used to spray 3 Coats of clear on everything but I find I put my Coats on fairly heavy so with that I only need 2 coats. You're really not what standing or polishing off too much clear if you just do a light polish, so two coats is pretty sufficient.
@@GarageNoise Thanks, the last time I had a respray done by a shop getting the finish up to excellent quality took a fair amount of compound with my DA. The LVLP doesn't seem like the best tool for thick second coatd of clear but maybe I'm wrong. Will have to play with some test pieces.
Very helpful my friend thank you I have that innokraft drizzle d1-lvlp and I'm looking for a compressor for it thanks for the heads up my friend
Chris.. thank you for the content brother... knowledge is everything
My pleasure!!
Hey air temp plays a major role which its why it may had kicked a lil later with the porphis. The cooler the air the more pressure can be stored if air is hit it creates more pressure
One guy was saying because the Porphis was laying down paint faster it got further on the hood before the compressor kicked which makes alot of sense.
@@GarageNoise makes sense to
BTW, I have a Binks, several cheap harbor freight guns, some spectrums, a 500, a Europe whatever, and a few others. I use the Binks for my clear because it was a $500 gun when I got it. The spectrum hvlp is my backup. Mostly because I have watched and wanted to see all the differences in manufactures. Which there are a lot.
Very interesting video with surprising results, I've found that with the R500 based family of guns the reported CFM is not very reliable as most of them use more CFM than it states in the data sheets, my Rongpeng R500 has a stated CFM of around 4 but that is way out as from my tests it's around the same as a GTI ProLite with the T110 aircap that is around 10 CFM, my tests are not very scientific all I do is start with a full compressor then time how long it takes for the compressor to start and I got similar times from the R500 and ProLite🤔my results could be off though🤷♂
Love to see you test more guns this way Chris👌🙏👍John UK
You're not wrong and that's what others have measured like Pete's Hobbies, these guns are air pigs, they just use the LVLP marketing since there's no laws in place to prevent it and it makes it a gold mine for them to sell to DIYers
I have a Husky 20 gal quiet compressor, the manifold type regulator it came with was slow to recover, doesn't flow enough air. It caused fluctuations in output, but the main tank air pressure was ok. I installed a 5" power steering cooler, 4.7" 1.5" thick a/c muffin fan which fits the cooler perfectly, a water separator right after it, then to the tank. I removed the entire regulator manifold, installed a regulator water separator combo, .01 micron coalescing filter, and desiccant. The main tank has very little water now, it just pretty much mist when i drain the bottom. The water separator right after the cooler collects all the water. I might need to change it to a auto drain because when the pressure switch cuts off, there is no pressure in the cooler side.
I use R500 sprayguns (Summit Racing lvlp, and Eastwood LT100, and a couple of Italco LVMP, shine and gloss model.
I appreciate all of your great videos. What mask should I use to spray a car in my garage that will keep me safe from isocyanates? Is the 3M 6001 organic vapor cartridge good enough? Also, I heard that isocyanates could get into your bloodstream through your eyes. What are your thoughts? Thanks again for your great work!
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This is what I use. Isocyanates can get in thru skin and eyes. You could wear a full face mask and a paint suit.
It looked like the LVLP gun had a smaller fan, so you moved along the panel slower. That may be why the compressor kicked on earlier than for the higher volume gun.
Could be, it is slightly smaller.
There's two versions of that air compressor. Yours, the quiet model 26gal 4.5 scfm and then the high performance 27gal 5.1 scfm. Both are the same price
Good to know, I didn't see it in the store.
Excellant video!
Thanks brother!
Thats awesome but both of them on metallics which one does well? And how many turns out compared?
Awesome video! You answered my question on your previous video i asked you about small compressors. Now i know what route to take for my mobile set up. Since the 20 gallon has about same power as this one, do you think I'll fine doing painting from it?
Interested to see how well the '3M Performance Spray Gun' works with the smaller compressors. (Or any HVLP)
New subscriber here. Enjoying your content very much. Will be very helpful if and when I attempt to do some DIY body work.
Awesome! Appreciate the support.
Hey Chris. Have you tried the ANi COMPACT? It's a Midi gun thats low CFM (4.45) and Italian made. Also reasonably priced at $125. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my A610. Apparently the ANi likes alot of pressure though. I've heard that spraying MS clears it likes to be around 40-45 psi!
Run the PRD-717 VS Needle, Split Nozzle and Air cap and have a blast with much less consumption
Hi Chris, I just received my Porphis PRD 715. Seven days from China. I'm not sure how it got here so quickly? Man what a beautiful Spray gun and the machining is bomb :). Do you recall what your settings were for this spray out on the hood? Thanks!!
Yes, 28 psi, full fan and ,2 and 3/4 out from closed on the fluid volume
Fantastic! Thank You!!
Gun settings mean literally nothing unless you're spraying the exact same material in the same exact environment
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@@BryanMiranda96 agree, just a guide
I was about to say go smaller, like a 20gal but 26gal works too
Very interesting test here!
Can you show your water seperator/filter set up. I’m looking for a reasonably priced one
The compressor makes 4.5 scfm at 90psi but more when only using 20 to 25.. i have the compressor just above that one.. 26 gal and 200 psi. 5.1 at 90 i think. Its amazing how the 200 psi tank holds so much more ait than my old 30 gal tank that was 150psi
What did you have the outlet pressure from the compressor set at
thank u ..the video i been needing finally 🍿🍿
Awesome! 👍
i used to be a mobile bumper repair guy till 2015. Things have changed
I did that as well for a few years. It was great, low overhead!
@@GarageNoise I'm getting back in because I just did Curb damage on wheels since. Now i'm stepping back in with small repairs. The new Gen sucks. No passion.
@@GarageNoise The Prices of base is stupid expensive, couldn't believe it. I bought around 8 honda colors to start with. See how it goes. Been using an old sata but I think I will try out this 610. It's cheap. if things go well, will upgrade to the Iwata lp 400. Keep my costs down for now. Have a good day
Do you think I would need to make a paint booth to paint with an LVLP in my garage or is just keeping some stuff covered with plastic in the garage enough to avoid overspray getting on everything?
Sectioning off your garage into a paint booth will help. The overspray, regardless of gun will get everywhere. It will even travel under and up tarps.
Again a simple fix is to just add a portable tank to your small compressor. I have a 20 lb craftsman, and a 14 lb Campbell hausefield. I use the craftsman if I have a small repair, like a quarter panel. If I need paint a car I use the 20 and then put a 20 gallon craftsman portable I made cuz the motor blew up on her. I use an air bubble( tanks they sell at most stores like harbor freight) to paint on the lower air compressor if I feel lazy. 40 lbs is more then plenty to use for most tools and painting. I never have pressure issues and have painted many cars these days. Those air bubbles cost around $20. The hardware and a guage and the bubble is cheaper then a bigger compressor.
That's interesting, I have an old compressor tank that I want to set up this way with my large compressor.
@GarageNoise my compressor that blew up ( the one I made into an air bubble) I added a fill nipple where the motor hole entered on top. Then on the other I added a triple tree where I have a guage , a low and high side.
On the little air bubble you just add a water filter and a quick connect so you can get a hose about a foot and a half or so to put beside each other I also have a tree on it with a low and a high side.
@GarageNoise I wished I knew how to send pictures though TH-cam I would send you a picture of how to set up. It is a little complex to set them up but once you do it doubles your compressor size.
@@dannyboettger8482make a video!!
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I am an older man...I don't know how to make a video.
So let me ask you this, if you mixed the same amount of clear and sprayed it through a DV1 or Super Nova would it have used the same amount, more, or less compared to the guns used in this video?
I would say more
Hey, I bought a car (67 chevelle) that has already been body filled and sanded. It's been sitting in primer for several years and now I'm working on it. I found a few dings in it that I'm working on.
For being a noob, it's going well thanks to your channel.
My question is, is it best to guide coat and sand the whole car with, say, 320 to look for other (not visible) low and high spots?
Where do you start when taking over someone else's work?
Thanks in advance.
I would guidecoat and block with 150-180 grit, since you’ll be priming it again.
Any recommendations for air hose (brand, min length, size), hi-flo fittings, in-line filtration/desiccant/water traps ?
Do you think the PRD717 is a better base and clear gun than the PRD716? Because the difference in buying a compressor is quite a bit of difference in price.
I just got an Aeropro A610, and an Eastwood Concours LT100. I'm hoping that compressor will run them.
I have both those gun and they should work great.
I have an Aeropro a610 with this compressor, it works great with no issues
What's the smallest compressor that you can paint with
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Thank you for the advice
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Is that gun the same as aero pro 610 like you video thank you
Inokraft? Yes same gun re branded
Can this compressor run the HarborFreight sandblaster cabinet?
Was this compressor 20 gallons?
30 gal
I used a dewalt 15 gallon 225 with a kiwami4 painting single stage on a 91 chevy k1500. It was 2 toned so it's not really a complete vehicle, no issues with pressure, says 50cfm @ 90, so not sure what it would be at 26-30 psi that I ran on the gun. Seemed to keep up for me, now that compressor only lasted a year but it was in the same room i painted in and sucked up everything in the air, have another one and it's not in the same room so maybe it'll last longer😅 The A160 puts out some material but it keeps up on the motorcycle peices I do, from candy to pearls, not sure if the 225 max psi is what helps it out over a 150psi max
A faster gun uses more paint, but it is more efficient on air use since you cover more area faster. The real test would be as you go further into painting a larger area like a full respray. Eventually, a hungrier gun will rear its head with having to let the compressor catch up. However, this also shows that these LVLP guns could also be not as low in air consumption as the manufacturer states, albeit still lower in comparison.
This was a great experiment and very helpful to those with an open mind in what gun to choose for their needs. Both sprayed exceptionally well.
Would it matter on hose length or I'd size of the hose.Thanks
I was going to buy one of these drizzle setups yesterday but it states it consumes 9.7-10.2 cfm so i went with the r500 because of the 3-4 cfm it says it consumes
I have painted cars with a 20 gallon compressor before. With the right gun, it works out ok especially if the compressor can recover quickly. Mine does pretty well.
I only have a filter on the end of the gun when using a compressor. I set it by feel and turn the air control on the gun if needed if I observe a pressure drop. Quickly compensate on the fly. If it drops too much, a pause at a point that is not in the middle of the panel...
Good info, I remember doing that alot back in the day but I also didn't have lvlp guns. They were all high air consumption conventional guns.
Great video thanks
You bet
Would any of these guns run on a Fortress 5gl 90psi @5.1SCFM?
The Inokraft d1 for sure.
What size lines u use? I think i have some bottlenecks in my system... i strugle to get preshure higher than 22psi throughs spraygun.. and it drops preshure aproximetly 1 psi in a minute. I have 13gal 2.2hp compresor.
It kicked on later than the Drizzle because it has a wider fan pattern, and it took fewer passes to get to that location on the hood. You made many more passes with the Drizzle.
I’m curious what is my best option on a gun im using a 25 gallon compressor
I will be painting a whole truck but I plan to paint the bed separately and I will be using a blow spray booth as well
I need to go find your video on that I just bought me one
R500 or the d1 in this video
@@GarageNoise I went with the d1
Can u daisy chain air compressor or tank
I dont understand why a compressor that has a higher cfm than the gun isnt able to use a smaller tank like a 5 gallon pancake? Are there no quiet compressors out there that could be used with it running longer? Im in an apartment and painting on the driveway with a booth made from tarps. Not ideal but being 85lbs i cant carry a compressor up and down a flight of stairs. I look at ut like a tankless vs a hot water heater with a tank. It would need q tank to keep pressure stable but if it is able to produce more osi qnd cfm than the gun needs, the compressor wont last as long, but im not a professional using it a lot.
Is this possible?
4.5 scfm @ 90psi
5.3 scfm @40 psi
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Both guns seemed like they were choked! These guns are meant to spray wide open.
I know with the Inokraft it spray better at less fluid volume. The Porphis spray great wide open tho.
Can you spell out the names/models of those paint guns or link them in the description?
There are links in the description.
They are linked in the description. The porphis is their website link. The Inokraft has a Amazon link.
@@GarageNoise - awesome! Thank you!
What is the cfm on the D1?
D1 is the same as the a610. The seller says 10-13 cfm but that cant be right because the porphis is 10.5 and the d1 uses less air than that IMO I think it's around 7-10 cfm
Hi im beginner i bought a cheap gun on ebay 39 i paint a bumper and didn’t went like i would like to a lot orange peel a d runs what gun would you recommend me to buy and how to i set it up also im using same clear coat that you using thanks
Sounds like you were using too little pressure and moving too slow.
@@justinf9004 yes i did I bought a bigger compressor and moved a little faster and looks good now thanks
The description has the second gun as the "Poorest". That can't be right?
Speach generated, it's the Porphis
@@GarageNoise Ah yes, I used to see them swimming around in the Pacific when I was in the Navy. Anyway, another good video!
Mobile autobody repair and an inflatable paint booth?!?! I’ve never heard of such things
Really?
Grew up in a small town, now I’m remote in Alaska. Painting has been a long time hobby but very little exposer to the real world. You’ve brought me forward by many decades!
26 gallon is larger than small.
Scfm= standard cubic feet per min it’s a measurement in standard but when used in the air compression industry it’s commonly used to boost the rating of compressor unfortunately low cost consumer compressors are very deceptive in the marketing.
Yeah I always thought it ment sustained cubic feet but the found it was standard. Just try to make it confusing for consumers.
I got a lvlp gun still getting used to it but I seem to be getting under or over atomized particals you experience this I’ve tried everything . I either have to large or droplet or turn it up and the shop is fogged up with overspray kind a annoying not something I experience with HTE gun that’s my normal go to for lacquer paint, clears and sealers @garagenoise
Big sprayer was much faster i think... Wider spread plus more volume
The D1 is just a rebranded A610. It claims around 4cfm but that's just the lying chinese marketing,their numbers are all over the place. Pete's Hobbies measured them closer to 8cfm. The Porphis got more coverage before air ran out because it delivers substantially more material than the D1. Using 80% of the air the Potphis uses doesn't mean its "20% more efficient" if it saves 20% of the air to put on only 50% of the material. That would mean that to get the same coverage it would use 160% of the air the porphis used
Great points, appreciate the comment. I'm guessing the D1 is between 7-10 but it is still less than most guns. I really like both guns. I like the reduced overspray of the D1, but the finish is better with the Porphis. The D1,a610,yt 160 are all rebranded R830 made by Rong Peng.