I got the book right away when it came out. This interview made it all come even more alive. It is the kind of book that you need to read more than once. Great podcast!
Thank you Mary and Jefferson. Mary's work is highly intriguing and definitely deserving a read, I'm definitely getting the book. Thanks for doing this.
No doubt, think of how many twins could have been used or look a likes. For all we truly know. All these people back then could have had doubles. The 1959 JEH memo has always been a blockbuster
I hope you have the author back for a Part 2…The documentation of Cobb as QJ/WIN & the workings of ZR/RIFLE seems solid. I had the same ‘bridge too far’ reaction about Dealy Plaza but perhaps that part could have been more strongly stated as speculation. Otherwise, true ground-breaking research!
This video was FASCINATING! A whole other side of things I did not know about. And, yes, I will get this book! Thanks to both of you for doing this interview. :)
Fabulous book. Wow it is detailed. This interview further helped me understand the June/Jerrie identity. Does it also make more plausible Armstrong’s Lee/Harvey theory? Seems to me it does.
Great book and interview - thank you both. I agree that the "babushka" is strangely often overlooked in the research. The camera as death blow does seem a bit far fetched but maybe it was one of many guns or something else. And even if it was a gun and the fatal shot (which is doubtful), why couldn't there still have been a shooter behind the fence? And yes, please do a part 2 and 3🙂
Headshot came from the grassy knoll too many witnesses saw smoke and heard the shot coming from the grassy knoll most convincing was Lee Bowers who was working on the tower saw men at the knoll and most damning of all the trajectory of the headshot bullet points directly to the knoll area
The book casts the assassination in an intriguing new light, and her portrait of the woman she knew is compelling, moving - a character as sui generis and mysterious as any novelist could have imagined.
at the end, Jefferson doubts the Babuska lady possiblity, but the available Zabruder films show a lit up camera system (a light is activated at the time of the head shot volley), or 'concealed' weapon system activated...why not a discovery, a lead worth pursuing, worth considering!?
Beverly Oliver's claims: a) She was the Babushka Lady. She could never back this up and photos clearly show the REAL B-Lady to be a much older, completely different person. b) She filmed the assassination with a Super 8 Yashica Zoom camera. No such camera existed in 1963. c) She denied to the ARRB she had ever made the above claim. She made it to several authors and on TV. d) Her film was seized the evening of Nov. 25 in Dallas by FBI man Regis Kennedy and a CIA man. Regis Kennedy was in New Orleans that evening. Oliver later dropped the CIA man from her story. e) She dined with Jack Ruby the evening before the assassination. Ruby dined with friends that night and not one of them remembered ever seeing her. f) She was introduced by Ruby in his Carousel Club to his "friend Lee Oswald of the CIA." Yes, deep cover CIA spooks are always going around pointlessly blowing their cover to strangers. g) Dancer Janet Conforto witnessed the above meeting and spoke to newspapers about it. No newspaper carries any such story and Conforto denied it ever happened when interviewed by Eddie Barker on Dallas Radio. h) Conforto died in a suspicious and mysterious way. Conforto died in a motorcycle accident in 1980. i) She saw David Ferrie at the Club so often she thought he worked there. Nobody else ever did. Ferrie lived in New Orleans. j) She saw "Raoul," the mystery man in the Martin Luther King assassination, in the Club. There is no evidence "Raoul" ever existed, he appears to have been a fictional character created by James Earl Ray. There are more, but you get the idea...
The book was fascinating but circuitous and dense read, I’ll admit to fatigue in trying to follow it all. I’m getting old lol. I’d like to just ask a logical question that I cannot shake off. And if I missed something or misunderstand it’s on me. The author said in the book that her visit to Oklahoma confirmed June’s separate existence. And early in this interview she affirms that. Yet I don’t recall in the book that she made any attempt to contact and interview June Cobb or her family. Her location was known and she died in 2015. That would seem to be elemental to the story’s investigation? What am I missing here?
60 YRS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY BELIEVABLE I.D. OF THE BABUSHKA LADY. DON'T KNOW OR CARE IF THERE WAS A SHOT. BUT, EVERY PERSON WITH A CAMERA WAS STOPPED BUT HER, WHY ?
Great Book! I paid attention on that day in ‘63… there was a lot of radio/ TV talk about that idling plane at the airport and if it was connected to the assassination. And also the Babushka. There was one. And then there was a flood of them ! That’s waves being discussed!!
57:50 - although, James Files is unlikely to have been the Grassy Knoll shooter, he did, as a "certified" criminal expressed the idea of using a Remington X-100 "Fireball" short, scoped pistol. A very accurate weapon, it would have been easy to conceal and remove in a lady's handbag. The "Fireball" was recently available in 1963. I believe it was marketed as a "Varmin-Pistol", with which rats could be easily "picked off at 100 yards.
Files was in Chicago during the assassination as confirmed by phone records and when confronted with this he tried to claim he was being confused with his own non-existent twin brother, shortly before NBC cancelled their planned TV show on this lying clown after taking a closer look at him.
57:27 - the "Babushka" is centrally important as far as the Zapruder Film is concerned. She is the only definite "signaller", as her modified camera clearly must contain an incandescent bulb behind a lens. An SLR camera thus modified, would even allow the operator to "aim" precisely, via a telephoto lens, a signal at a narrow location. The "inter sprocket" copies of the Zapruder film, clearly show the Babushka's "camera" light up exactly one second before the head shot. There are three putative signallers close to the 5, 4, 3, 2 second mark before the headshot, the "Apron Man", the "Umbrella Man" and the "Dark Complected Man", who carries a possible "Walkie-Talkie". However, only tue Babushka does anything completely unnatural and scientifically impossible without a deliberate and complex technological modification of her "camera".
This woman is crazy in her idea about the camera shooter. Has she ever stood behind the picket fence? A kid could easily have made that shot, especially when the car came to nearly a complete stop or even briefly a complete stop. When I visited Dallas and stood there, I couldn't believe how easy a shot it would've been. Where was the woman with the camera standing? How did its trajectory fit the shots? Also, she said the woman is the only confirmed CIA person in Dealey Plaza -- she needs to read some of the books: Howard Hunt; George Bush; Chauncey Holt; Ed Lansdale; Ted Shackley; LHO, of course. I'm sure those out there can name others.
The camera is her thought. June and Jeri Cob had facts. JM even said her twist was just an old conspiracy. It was a woman’s take on it. In a time they barley had rights
What do you mean they barely had rights? You realize the 19th Amendment was passed in 1920. Women had the same rights as men; but they were suppressed because their societal role was so circumscribed.@@ClintMalvezzi
yea, its simply silly. JFK drove into an ambush with concealed riflemen and half the shots missed, which was expected with a moving target at different ranges...they were not relying on a single small calibre handgun in a camera...LMFAO.
I think Mary hit it right on the head. Babushka! Jerrie dressed like babushka, shoots! And as she walks toward the parking lot a flood of babushkas walk across the knoll/park. Perfect camoflage.
@@jsfoster100 there were 100s of women that day along the motorcade wearing head scarves because it was fucking windy. Why does everybody making a fuss about just another "babushka" (what an idiotic term to begin with) at dealey plaza???
plus, why not ask Mary H about the likely assassination attempt of her by Jerrie Cobb on Mary and her friend w/ the shigella episode, requiring her intense hospitalization? ...an unforgiveable oversight, or intentional slight? unforgiveable, Jefferson, IMO!
Very interesting, thanks for posting. Have you listened to any of Rob Clark and Joe Borelli's work on the name J.. Martin ? It would appear to fit in with this "swappable" agent name idea. Check out The LoneGunman Podcast.
Excellent book. I also just watched the Octopus Murders on Netflix right before starting this book. Interesting similarities but, at a later date. Kennedy's murder was also mentioned in the Octopus Murders. Perhaps Mary needs to do some collaboration with the producers/directors of this mini series.
OK... let's look at Lee Oswald in the Texas Theater.... (and here we go)... Oswald talked to a lady for a moment or two before he was arrested there... that was a pregnant lady sitting a bit toward the front.... and that lady was quite likely to have been Tippit's girlfriend (who was pregnant by him) from the BarbQue place... (Austin's?) (do research) She was supposed to drive Oswald out to the Red Bird airport... she was using the car which J.D. Tippit had borrowed from his best friend to use for the day... it was a red Plymouth Fury or sedan like that? (the pay-off for her-- which was in part for Tippit's role and help-- and Oswald was also supposed to take place at the Theater-- per the pre-plan arrangements.... (which was plan Option Two -- signaled by the two horn honks made outside of Oswald's rooming house just after 1:00) Now, instead, Tippit got intercepted by two gunmen out in Oak Cliff.... first, because Tippit was confused about the change of venue and plans.. (see his phone call from the Top Ten record store..) And, because now it was known--by Ruby, for example, that JFK was officially dead and assassinated, so it became important that Tippit get whacked...(likely by Ruby and his associate friend, Larry Crafford... in my view it was likely them) (see testimony for Ms. Aquilla Clemmons to Mark Lane) because that cut any immediate and direct ties between Ruby, Oswald, and Tippit... you see? Also, strangely, it meant that neither Tippit or Oswald needed to get paid... (by Ruby!?) This also meant, now that Tippit was dead, that then it was ok to pick up Oswald and kill or arrest him at the theater, rather than have him be driven out to the small airport...(to flee and be intercepted later, especially in the event that JFK was NOT KILLED..). And I also believe that it was the first choice option to kill Oswald in the Theater, BUT, it did not happen that way, as we know...(see Captain Westbrook and what and where he was during this time of that day) So, what I don't really get here in the above video per the guest author, was... why was the lady, Ms, Cobb at the airport??... I always thought that it was either David Ferrie or maybe Tosh Plumley to pilot the getaway plane.... And now I am not saying it wasn't so as claimed above... just doesn't seem that she, Ms. Cobb, would be so advanced to be trusted with such a critical job.. So this is, Another interesting story, I believe, but I am not convinced other than the lady did seem to have Cuban and CIA connections and possibly a double or two identities... (Like it seems Oswald had... for sure in my mind)... However, I would caution that this Ms Cobb lady might be pretty smart, AND, good at telling conflicting and impossible to prove or dispute... STORIES...
You are just sick, giving your middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as you happily opine away without evidence the man was a conspirator in murder and treason so long as it suits your despicable "theories," hope you are proud of yourself.
More than halfway through, GET TO THE POINT! What did she know! AND When did she know it! What did she do? AND When did she do it? LEVEL OF HER INVOLVEMENT!
Could the camera gun have anything to do with the bullet Paul Landis says he found? If such a gun was indeed possible, would it have had sufficient muzzle velocity to cause the head wound. If not, could it have caused the shallow back wound??
In a word "no"...its complete hooey...and if such 'theories' have any purpose it is for us to ask such questions and chase our tails for another 60 years!
Lady there is a problem with your story ? I researched this and have seen photos of Lillian Zapruder in the plaza . One of them she is leaving going back to the Dal-Tex building and she had the camera basket and the pointed shoes. The camera was a Sears Tower box camera and you are so far off . Where I ran into this is Alexandria Zap did a promo for her book and it was about Abe . well she did what Abe said not to do ? Show their family and she showed the very first of the Zap film . Bingo The people from the Sexton building did this . What people don't get is it was not so complicated , Oswart should have never stopped and told Warren Caster his carcano looked like Casters 1891 Mauser ? Then what happened is Buddy Walthers went to Ruth's garage and got the carcano and it got Caster off the hook .
The possibility of the Babushka Lady's camera being a weapon is not new. Film evidence suggests that it was a camera . Shame we don't have the identity of the lady or the picture.
What happened to the pictures from that camera? We don't even know who took that picture. Was Jeri/June Cobb? Sounds like they were the same person. And no one in this message board has explained that comment about an assassination attempt of Mary by Cobb. Is that in the book?@@ClintMalvezzi
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit from behind. Kennedy is clearly seen to suffer an exit wound at the temple consistent only with a shot from behind.
Why would the designated patsy need a plane? And if it was such an important "get away"?...Yea.. lets just leave the guy to do it alone on public transportation?? Come on, that is a joke. You do not rely on public transportation for the getaway of the crime of the century, which even an idiot might assume would be disrupted because of a major crime downtown. They have the funding and organization to plan the murder of the US president, but they cant afford a driver to pick up the shooter...Jesus! LHO was not supposed to go any where except into the ground. And all that hooey about Lee partying with Cubans has been debunked since the HSCA investigation down in Mexico city. Why would Jefferson be so accepting of this hooey? What does John Newman say about this since he is mentioned a couple times by the author?
Maybe Morley is being polite. Funny, though, how I've noticed among those who have written the books, while they generally agree on the essentials, they disagree on the finer points, sometimes even suggesting ridiculous theories that damage their credibility.
@@tomcalarco8196 Yes, and at times it seems like the silly theories get more mainstream media attention (I keep reading comments about "Mortal Error" here on YT...lol) as a way to muddy the waters and create more disinformation. This woman's gun in the camera idea makes more sense in that context then as a viable theory.
This "patsy" owned and smuggled the rifle, lied to police, fled the crime scene, shot a cop, was caught trying to shoot another cop, observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing, refused to cooperate, and never attempted to blow any conspiracy framing him to anybody.
She doesn't just answer a direct question but goes on and on about "Chapter one" of her book...then on and on about "confronting" June/Jerri Cobb "...but I tell it better in my book." Then she says June Cobb had a twin sister in aviation. He asked about November 22nd. She keeps going around the Mulberry Bush with great emotion. She's so emotional including about a bus ticket that "picks up pedestrians". Buses do that...they pick up "pedestrians". Finally on and on says she wonders if the woman she knows was to fly Oswald out. Since Oswald did not kill JFK...why does she think her woman friend was there to fly Oswald out? She does a lot of mind reading. She talks a lot like she talking about a novel she read or wrote? She knows what drawers things were put in, in places she's never been. Then she pops in about a cat...that apparently June/Jerri tortured? Things were "rumbling around". June/Jerri "snipped" a phone line? It's very confusing...like gaslighting. She's a film movie person. She wants to make a movie?
@@johnloftus6043 I listened. When someone is sharing information...and keeping asking the listener, "Right?" that's a red flag. How is the listener to know she's "right"?
The claim that CIA informant Viola June Cobb is the same person as aviation pioneer Jerrie Cobb is utterly absurd - and perhaps one of the most ridiculous JFK-related theories ever proposed. From circa 1947 to 1962, June Cobb was living primarily in Mexico, bouncing between Cuba and various Central American countries, mostly unemployed (aside from brief stints working in editorial and assistant roles). It is believed that she also worked as a CIA informant. June also spent time working at hospitals in New York and Chicago, after she become ill and returned to the US. During this time, she also moved back to Oklahoma to spend about a year living with her Dad. Meanwhile, during the same period, Jerrie Cobb, the test pilot and pioneer aviator, was flying high-performance aircraft, breaking world records, and undergoing rigorous astronaut testing in the United States. Really? 😂😂😂 Is there a shred of actual evidence to support this claim or is it just “they had the same hair color and were born in the same town (which they weren’t)”. As far as I know, the main connection between June Cobb and the JFK assassination is that, in the weeks after Kennedy’s killing, June Cobb reported to the CIA that Oswald was seen in Mexico City several weeks prior to the assassination, socializing with a couple of Cuban diplomats.
This is a very interesting interview but I do not believe for one second she was waiting at the airport for L.H.O. Oswald did what he was assigned to do and unwittingly became the patsy.
I got the book right away when it came out. This interview made it all come even more alive. It is the kind of book that you need to read more than once. Great podcast!
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Thank you Mary and Jefferson. Mary's work is highly intriguing and definitely deserving a read, I'm definitely getting the book. Thanks for doing this.
This woman sounds like a career CIA officer herself lol
I gained a shit load of respect for Mary Haverstick in this interview. Just started the book and it's brilliant writing. Cool chick.
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Wow, wow and wow!
I'm hearing shades of John Armstrong's two Oswalds. I'm thinking about J. Edgar and someone using Oswald's identity.
No doubt, think of how many twins could have been used or look a likes.
For all we truly know. All these people back then could have had doubles. The 1959 JEH memo has always been a blockbuster
I hope you have the author back for a Part 2…The documentation of Cobb as QJ/WIN & the workings of ZR/RIFLE seems solid. I had the same ‘bridge too far’ reaction about Dealy Plaza but perhaps that part could have been more strongly stated as speculation. Otherwise, true ground-breaking research!
This video was FASCINATING! A whole other side of things I did not know about. And, yes, I will get this book! Thanks to both of you for doing this interview. :)
Absolutely fascinating story and book! Kudos to the author on her incredible bombshell research!
Fabulous book. Wow it is detailed. This interview further helped me understand the June/Jerrie identity. Does it also make more plausible Armstrong’s Lee/Harvey theory? Seems to me it does.
Great book and interview - thank you both. I agree that the "babushka" is strangely often overlooked in the research. The camera as death blow does seem a bit far fetched but maybe it was one of many guns or something else. And even if it was a gun and the fatal shot (which is doubtful), why couldn't there still have been a shooter behind the fence? And yes, please do a part 2 and 3🙂
The camera was a signalling device, modified to light up an incandescent bulb one second before the head shot.
Headshot came from the grassy knoll too many witnesses saw smoke and heard the shot coming from the grassy knoll most convincing was Lee Bowers who was working on the tower saw men at the knoll and most damning of all the trajectory of the headshot bullet points directly to the knoll area
The book casts the assassination in an intriguing new light, and her portrait of the woman she knew is compelling, moving - a character as sui generis and mysterious as any novelist could have imagined.
Fascinating book and discussion.
at the end, Jefferson doubts the Babuska lady possiblity, but the available Zabruder films show a lit up camera system (a light is activated at the time of the head shot volley), or 'concealed' weapon system activated...why not a discovery, a lead worth pursuing, worth considering!?
LMFAO....JFK was not shot by aliens or hidden camera guns, ..he drove into a old school ambush and was perforated...Jesus, there is no mystery here.
the Babushka lady's name was Beverly Oliver , who just passed away last Summer . She didn't shoot anyone ...
Didn't know she passed away recently😢thanks for the info.
Beverly Oliver's claims:
a) She was the Babushka Lady.
She could never back this up and photos clearly show the REAL B-Lady to be a much older, completely different person.
b) She filmed the assassination with a Super 8 Yashica Zoom camera.
No such camera existed in 1963.
c) She denied to the ARRB she had ever made the above claim.
She made it to several authors and on TV.
d) Her film was seized the evening of Nov. 25 in Dallas by FBI man Regis Kennedy and a CIA man.
Regis Kennedy was in New Orleans that evening.
Oliver later dropped the CIA man from her story.
e) She dined with Jack Ruby the evening before the assassination.
Ruby dined with friends that night and not one of them remembered ever seeing her.
f) She was introduced by Ruby in his Carousel Club to his "friend Lee Oswald of the CIA."
Yes, deep cover CIA spooks are always going around pointlessly blowing their cover to strangers.
g) Dancer Janet Conforto witnessed the above meeting and spoke to newspapers about it.
No newspaper carries any such story and Conforto denied it ever happened when interviewed by Eddie Barker on Dallas Radio.
h) Conforto died in a suspicious and mysterious way.
Conforto died in a motorcycle accident in 1980.
i) She saw David Ferrie at the Club so often she thought he worked there.
Nobody else ever did.
Ferrie lived in New Orleans.
j) She saw "Raoul," the mystery man in the Martin Luther King assassination, in the Club.
There is no evidence "Raoul" ever existed, he appears to have been a fictional character created by James Earl Ray.
There are more, but you get the idea...
@@aaronz7056Raoul does exist, he was in prison, for running guns
Great interview looks like another book I need to get
The book was fascinating but circuitous and dense read, I’ll admit to fatigue in trying to follow it all. I’m getting old lol. I’d like to just ask a logical question that I cannot shake off. And if I missed something or misunderstand it’s on me. The author said in the book that her visit to Oklahoma confirmed June’s separate existence. And early in this interview she affirms that. Yet I don’t recall in the book that she made any attempt to contact and interview June Cobb or her family. Her location was known and she died in 2015. That would seem to be elemental to the story’s investigation? What am I missing here?
60 YRS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY BELIEVABLE I.D. OF THE BABUSHKA LADY. DON'T KNOW OR CARE IF THERE WAS A SHOT. BUT, EVERY PERSON WITH A CAMERA WAS STOPPED BUT HER, WHY ?
I've read this book. It is amazing! Thanks for giving us a fresh look into the JFK assassination.
Great Book! I paid attention on that day in ‘63… there was a lot of radio/ TV talk about that idling plane at the airport and if it was connected to the assassination. And also the Babushka. There was one. And then there was a flood of them ! That’s waves being discussed!!
This is a great interview! Thank you
57:50 - although, James Files is unlikely to have been the Grassy Knoll shooter, he did, as a "certified" criminal expressed the idea of using a Remington X-100 "Fireball" short, scoped pistol. A very accurate weapon, it would have been easy to conceal and remove in a lady's handbag. The "Fireball" was recently available in 1963. I believe it was marketed as a "Varmin-Pistol", with which rats could be easily "picked off at 100 yards.
Files was in Chicago during the assassination as confirmed by phone records and when confronted with this he tried to claim he was being confused with his own non-existent twin brother, shortly before NBC cancelled their planned TV show on this lying clown after taking a closer look at him.
Excellent, thanks!
Fantastic stuff!
57:27 - the "Babushka" is centrally important as far as the Zapruder Film is concerned. She is the only definite "signaller", as her modified camera clearly must contain an incandescent bulb behind a lens. An SLR camera thus modified, would even allow the operator to "aim" precisely, via a telephoto lens, a signal at a narrow location.
The "inter sprocket" copies of the Zapruder film, clearly show the Babushka's "camera" light up exactly one second before the head shot.
There are three putative signallers close to the 5, 4, 3, 2 second mark before the headshot, the "Apron Man", the "Umbrella Man" and the "Dark Complected Man", who carries a possible "Walkie-Talkie".
However, only tue Babushka does anything completely unnatural and scientifically impossible without a deliberate and complex technological modification of her "camera".
Crackpot rubbish.
Very interesting and important!
This woman is crazy in her idea about the camera shooter. Has she ever stood behind the picket fence? A kid could easily have made that shot, especially when the car came to nearly a complete stop or even briefly a complete stop. When I visited Dallas and stood there, I couldn't believe how easy a shot it would've been. Where was the woman with the camera standing? How did its trajectory fit the shots?
Also, she said the woman is the only confirmed CIA person in Dealey Plaza -- she needs to read some of the books: Howard Hunt; George Bush; Chauncey Holt; Ed Lansdale; Ted Shackley; LHO, of course. I'm sure those out there can name others.
The camera is her thought. June and Jeri Cob had facts. JM even said her twist was just an old conspiracy. It was a woman’s take on it. In a time they barley had rights
What do you mean they barely had rights? You realize the 19th Amendment was passed in 1920. Women had the same rights as men; but they were suppressed because their societal role was so circumscribed.@@ClintMalvezzi
yea, its simply silly. JFK drove into an ambush with concealed riflemen and half the shots missed, which was expected with a moving target at different ranges...they were not relying on a single small calibre handgun in a camera...LMFAO.
I think Mary hit it right on the head. Babushka! Jerrie dressed like babushka, shoots! And as she walks toward the parking lot a flood of babushkas walk across the knoll/park. Perfect camoflage.
@@jsfoster100 there were 100s of women that day along the motorcade wearing head scarves because it was fucking windy. Why does everybody making a fuss about just another "babushka" (what an idiotic term to begin with) at dealey plaza???
plus, why not ask Mary H about the likely assassination attempt of her by Jerrie Cobb on Mary and her friend w/ the shigella episode, requiring her intense hospitalization? ...an unforgiveable oversight, or intentional slight? unforgiveable, Jefferson, IMO!
What are you referring to?
Very interesting, thanks for posting. Have you listened to any of Rob Clark and Joe Borelli's work on the name J.. Martin ? It would appear to fit in with this "swappable" agent name idea. Check out The LoneGunman Podcast.
A great asset to the JFK case
Excellent book. I also just watched the Octopus Murders on Netflix right before starting this book. Interesting similarities but, at a later date. Kennedy's murder was also mentioned in the Octopus Murders. Perhaps Mary needs to do some collaboration with the producers/directors of this mini series.
Love the content, but if the Babushka lady was a possible shooter, the blood spray would have been to the right of Limo instead of the left of Limo.
OK... let's look at Lee Oswald in the Texas Theater.... (and here we go)... Oswald talked to a lady for a moment or two before he was arrested there... that was a pregnant lady sitting a bit toward the front.... and that lady was quite likely to have been Tippit's girlfriend (who was pregnant by him) from the BarbQue place... (Austin's?) (do research)
She was supposed to drive Oswald out to the Red Bird airport... she was using the car which J.D. Tippit had borrowed from his best friend to use for the day... it was a red Plymouth Fury or sedan like that? (the pay-off for her-- which was in part for Tippit's role and help-- and Oswald was also supposed to take place at the Theater-- per the pre-plan arrangements.... (which was plan Option Two -- signaled by the two horn honks made outside of Oswald's rooming house just after 1:00)
Now, instead, Tippit got intercepted by two gunmen out in Oak Cliff.... first, because Tippit was confused about the change of venue and plans.. (see his phone call from the Top Ten record store..) And, because now it was known--by Ruby, for example, that JFK was officially dead and assassinated, so it became important that Tippit get whacked...(likely by Ruby and his associate friend, Larry Crafford... in my view it was likely them) (see testimony for Ms. Aquilla Clemmons to Mark Lane) because that cut any immediate and direct ties between Ruby, Oswald, and Tippit... you see? Also, strangely, it meant that neither Tippit or Oswald needed to get paid... (by Ruby!?)
This also meant, now that Tippit was dead, that then it was ok to pick up Oswald and kill or arrest him at the theater, rather than have him be driven out to the small airport...(to flee and be intercepted later, especially in the event that JFK was NOT KILLED..).
And I also believe that it was the first choice option to kill Oswald in the Theater, BUT, it did not happen that way, as we know...(see Captain Westbrook and what and where he was during this time of that day)
So, what I don't really get here in the above video per the guest author, was... why was the lady, Ms, Cobb at the airport??... I always thought that it was either David Ferrie or maybe Tosh Plumley to pilot the getaway plane.... And now I am not saying it wasn't so as claimed above... just doesn't seem that she, Ms. Cobb, would be so advanced to be trusted with such a critical job.. So this is,
Another interesting story, I believe, but I am not convinced other than the lady did seem to have Cuban and CIA connections and possibly a double or two identities... (Like it seems Oswald had... for sure in my mind)... However, I would caution that this Ms Cobb lady might be pretty smart, AND, good at telling conflicting and impossible to prove or dispute... STORIES...
You are just sick, giving your middle finger to the family of a decorated police officer who lost his life in the cause of his duty as you happily opine away without evidence the man was a conspirator in murder and treason so long as it suits your despicable "theories," hope you are proud of yourself.
Very good interview. Hopefully jefferson will have Mary on again
More than halfway through,
GET TO THE POINT!
What did she know!
AND
When did she know it!
What did she do?
AND
When did she do it?
LEVEL OF HER INVOLVEMENT!
Could the camera gun have anything to do with the bullet Paul Landis says he found? If such a gun was indeed possible, would it have had sufficient muzzle velocity to cause the head wound. If not, could it have caused the shallow back wound??
Or just there to take a photo of the assassination?
In a word "no"...its complete hooey...and if such 'theories' have any purpose it is for us to ask such questions and chase our tails for another 60 years!
Lady there is a problem with your story ? I researched this and have seen photos of Lillian Zapruder in the plaza . One of them she is leaving going back to the Dal-Tex building and she had the camera basket and the pointed shoes. The camera was a Sears Tower box camera and you are so far off . Where I ran into this is Alexandria Zap did a promo for her book and it was about Abe . well she did what Abe said not to do ? Show their family and she showed the very first of the Zap film . Bingo The people from the Sexton building did this . What people don't get is it was not so complicated , Oswart should have never stopped and told Warren Caster his carcano looked like Casters 1891 Mauser ? Then what happened is Buddy Walthers went to Ruth's garage and got the carcano and it got Caster off the hook .
Crackpot rubbish.
Fascinating, but your jumping to assumptions that she was waiting for oswald. You had the chance to ask her, but didn't. Sounds like a good read.
The possibility of the Babushka Lady's camera being a weapon is not new. Film evidence suggests that it was a camera . Shame we don't have the identity of the lady or the picture.
The picture is the main thing
What happened to the pictures from that camera? We don't even know who took that picture. Was Jeri/June Cobb? Sounds like they were the same person. And no one in this message board has explained that comment about an assassination attempt of Mary by Cobb. Is that in the book?@@ClintMalvezzi
All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit from behind.
Kennedy is clearly seen to suffer an exit wound at the temple consistent only with a shot from behind.
Why would the designated patsy need a plane? And if it was such an important "get away"?...Yea.. lets just leave the guy to do it alone on public transportation?? Come on, that is a joke. You do not rely on public transportation for the getaway of the crime of the century, which even an idiot might assume would be disrupted because of a major crime downtown. They have the funding and organization to plan the murder of the US president, but they cant afford a driver to pick up the shooter...Jesus! LHO was not supposed to go any where except into the ground. And all that hooey about Lee partying with Cubans has been debunked since the HSCA investigation down in Mexico city. Why would Jefferson be so accepting of this hooey? What does John Newman say about this since he is mentioned a couple times by the author?
Maybe Morley is being polite. Funny, though, how I've noticed among those who have written the books, while they generally agree on the essentials, they disagree on the finer points, sometimes even suggesting ridiculous theories that damage their credibility.
@@tomcalarco8196 Yes, and at times it seems like the silly theories get more mainstream media attention (I keep reading comments about "Mortal Error" here on YT...lol) as a way to muddy the waters and create more disinformation. This woman's gun in the camera idea makes more sense in that context then as a viable theory.
This "patsy" owned and smuggled the rifle, lied to police, fled the crime scene, shot a cop, was caught trying to shoot another cop, observed, "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" after asking about the penalty for cop-killing, refused to cooperate, and never attempted to blow any conspiracy framing him to anybody.
She doesn't just answer a direct question but goes on and on about "Chapter one" of her book...then on and on about "confronting" June/Jerri Cobb "...but I tell it better in my book." Then she says June Cobb had a twin sister in aviation. He asked about November 22nd. She keeps going around the Mulberry Bush with great emotion. She's so emotional including about a bus ticket that "picks up pedestrians". Buses do that...they pick up "pedestrians". Finally on and on says she wonders if the woman she knows was to fly Oswald out. Since Oswald did not kill JFK...why does she think her woman friend was there to fly Oswald out?
She does a lot of mind reading. She talks a lot like she talking about a novel she read or wrote? She knows what drawers things were put in, in places she's never been. Then she pops in about a cat...that apparently June/Jerri tortured? Things were "rumbling around". June/Jerri "snipped" a phone line? It's very confusing...like gaslighting.
She's a film movie person. She wants to make a movie?
You may want to listen again
@@johnloftus6043 I listened. When someone is sharing information...and keeping asking the listener, "Right?" that's a red flag. How is the listener to know she's "right"?
if Oswald was set up to be the patsy, why fly him out of Dallas? maybe Cobb was to fly out one of the shooters?
The claim that CIA informant Viola June Cobb is the same person as aviation pioneer Jerrie Cobb is utterly absurd - and perhaps one of the most ridiculous JFK-related theories ever proposed. From circa 1947 to 1962, June Cobb was living primarily in Mexico, bouncing between Cuba and various Central American countries, mostly unemployed (aside from brief stints working in editorial and assistant roles). It is believed that she also worked as a CIA informant. June also spent time working at hospitals in New York and Chicago, after she become ill and returned to the US. During this time, she also moved back to Oklahoma to spend about a year living with her Dad. Meanwhile, during the same period, Jerrie Cobb, the test pilot and pioneer aviator, was flying high-performance aircraft, breaking world records, and undergoing rigorous astronaut testing in the United States. Really? 😂😂😂 Is there a shred of actual evidence to support this claim or is it just “they had the same hair color and were born in the same town (which they weren’t)”. As far as I know, the main connection between June Cobb and the JFK assassination is that, in the weeks after Kennedy’s killing, June Cobb reported to the CIA that Oswald was seen in Mexico City several weeks prior to the assassination, socializing with a couple of Cuban diplomats.
Robert Vinson?
This is a very interesting interview but I do not believe for one second she was waiting at the airport for L.H.O. Oswald did what he was assigned to do and unwittingly became the patsy.
Not mentioned was Jerrie’s poisoning of the author, which lends credibility to the cat story.
How you know the cat wasn't hit by a car
There were 2 babushka women. I saw a powerpoint on youtube that showed evidence of 2 different women, dressed alike.
LHO was never in Mexico City.
Implied profanity? Bogus
Book loses credibility with that crazy theory.
What the hell has all this speculation and paranoid got to do with the actual EVIDENCE, for crying out loud?
*Promosm*
Oswald acted alone...sorry
This sounds like "elephant doody" to further mis-direct the JFK dung beetles !!😅