I'm a military veteran with 26 years service, and I'm an atheist. According to Sam, I can't be a patriot because I don't believe in his god. Wow! I wonder if Sam was ever in the military.
This is the thing. An atheist, or anti-theist, can live life exactly as Jesus preached, meaning follow the golden rule, and yet many Christian fundamentalists will still think atheists are immoral. I had some Jehovah's witnesses come to my door and I explained this to them and they were wonderfully accepting of my explanation. My "worship" is being kind to others, kind to animals, a steward of the environment we all share. And I follow our country's laws over any religious doctrine others may believe in that challenge our laws. I don't need to prove to anyone my moral standing other than this. Walz is right, people need to start minding their own business, unless someone is directly harming someone else.
Ch4istian indoctrination is the cause. It's like people who watch Fox. If you continually submit to being told what to think and feel, it isn't long before you lose all capacity for independent thought and intuition.
According to this guy, the decade of my life spent in the army as a liberal atheist excludes me from being a patriot. I tried, guys. Maybe I can get a participation trophy 🙄
I'm not afraid of my child going to school and returning a different gender. I am afraid of my child going to school and returning an evangelical Christian.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 What is Trump and the GOP's plan for dealing with the mental health crisis in the U.S.? How about their plan dealing with the gun and mass shooting crisis in the U.S.? I can't find a single policy position on either subject.
As an American I was appalled that he was making these claims but hadn't brushed up on the Constitution. Perhaps he was afraid it would debunk his beliefs??
I'm an atheist and I'm against most illegal and legal immigration to the US right now. And I know plenty of religious folks who take the opposite view as a matter of faith.
@@OphiumsCopiumDen I don't agree with that. Starting an insurrection is not unpatriotic, necessarily. To be a patriot is not the same to everyone, because not everyone has the same vision of what America should be. If this country forced Christianity on everyone under threat of jail, would you just accept it or fight back? I'm not saying I agree with what happened on the 6th, I'm just trying to illustrate that that act doesn't necessarily make them unpatriotic. Your actions don't have to be smart or make sense to be a patriot, you just have to have a strong love for your ideal of your country. That's what I think at least.
The caller complains that liberals denigrate America, yet DJT is calling the US a failing nation and saying the nation is being lost to American carnage.
A point could be made that America is failing but none of the relevant metrics can be found in DJT's opinions and ramblings. Things like politicians being bought by corporations, crumbling infrastructure, unaffordable healtcare and childcare, anti-intellectualism, for-profit prisons, unaffordable housing, food and education unavailable healthy food options, the military industrial complex... there's a lot wrong with the US, but it ain't about black and brown people.
That's the problem with Trump supporters. They just use the term "illegal" to describe absolutely everyone coming into the country. They don't make any distinction, because they're not motivated by facts or reason, they're motivated by racism.
Hey Sam, GFY! I spent 25 years in the Army in combat arms and went on 3 combat tours. I'm an atheist, very progressive, and vote in every election. I reiterate, GFY!
What's sad is sometimes as things play out, the stuff you systematically planned with great care and thought falls apart, and the stuff you just threw together on a wing and a prayer comes to pass. Life is pretty nonsensical at times. But most of the time, I recommend the path of planning rather than just living on a whim. There will be times though when a whim is ALL you have.
@@theboombody Agreed. Yet, in that case, there are usually _other_ conditions already at play in your environment/situation that _allow_ for that whim to come to fruition, instead of failing. And the whim succeeding should then be attributed to you taking a chance, and the conditions of the situation being stacked on your side...not on the plan of a deity.
I had been raised a Southern Baptist who stated that most "Christians" were not "Christians". 250 years ago, most Native Americans were not "Christians". The USA has never been a "Christian" country.
The ignorance of history and our founding fathers is a testament to the failure of the education system and the poor parenting of America. This segment of our society so arrogantly ignorant and damn proud of it is downright embarrassing and disgraceful.
The latest estimate for the percentage of Americans who are Christian is 63%, a number that has been falling fast, so nowhere close to 95%. Clearly, this guy went to Trump University of Lie Telling.
I'm an American constitutionalist, a libertarian, and a very skeptical Atheist. The US constitution was not founded on any Abrahamic principles, laws, or teachings. No references to Jesus, Yahweh, Moses, or Abraham. It was written by people who were critical of state religion. The first clause, of the first amendment reads as follows: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof..." These were people who were weary of a state religion, and familiar with the abuses by theocracy. They knew that in a theocracy, you cannot have religious freedom. The founders set up a secular state, because the goal of the country was to be an objective and unbiased protection of free enterprise and free association.
Fourth. Christian Nationalists have to deliberately ignore the crucial facts around the foundation of the United States in their effort to justify their depraved perversion of its ideals. They decry Sharia law while attempting to enact a Christian version of something every bit as terrible. Their claims of patriotism bely their actual hatred of what America actually is, and what it aspires to be. They’d be much happier in Nazi Germany than in the 21st century United States.
But surely he didn't get all that political brainwashing from church! That would be illegal! Surely it doesn't happen constantly, everywhere, without any pushback whatsoever, by tax-exempt professional brainwashers...
Sunday school may cover limited topics but public schools have issues of their own. A lot of them have such problems with discipline that any kind of learning is unable to take place, and the schools become little more than daycares for older kids. It's a sad thing. Community colleges seem to be doing good though. I'm a big fan of those.
To defend a party or government whose policies amount to open boarders is the same thought process. Does it really matter if they aren't doing it on purpose, given, it wouldn't be unreasonable to consider it an invasion. Imagine if every human on this planet decided they wish to occupy the US. That would be an invasion, right? Scale doesn't change the definition.
Trump exists to keep you looking at him, and not asking what the other wing of the same bird is doing. Proxy war against Russia. Kids in cages. Genocide in gaza. All happening under Democrats. You live in a one party state.
Republicans will proclaim everything is solved if Trump loses, after the inevitable, "They stole the election" nonsense for a handful of months afterwards. They will try to pretend like the party has changed. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Trump is not the underlying issue.
To Republicans, "Open Borders" is the US/Mexico Border during a Democratic Party Presidential Administration. The moment the Republicans have the White House, despite number of immigrants or deportations, the border is no longer "open".
I would argue that. Those who are "Pro Life" don't give a CRAP about the life of that child or their parent after they are born. They will force a woman to have a baby she can't afford, while they do their very best to stop access to birth control and then denigrate the woman for being on welfare. That's NOT pro life, that's pro birth. In addition, if you support the death penalty, you are NOT pro life. The state putting on a performance of killing a human being and calling it "justice" lessens us as a society.
Awesome comment! I think it's also true that none of us are "pro abortion". They can't quite figure out what "pro choice" means. Abortion is the only medical procedure ruled by law. You're not even required to give your child BLOOD by law, even if they are DYING.
When I was a wee lad and they still did the pledge many of us would not say those words or the pledge at all. One teacher exasperated asked why we refused to pledge allegiance to the country that harbors us and protects us. My readying partner put it best. She said I can’t pledge allegiance with a country that willingly bombs women and children because they have a different political ideology. Never was questioned or scowled at over the pledge after that day. The sixties had more thoughtful people than is given credit for.
Years ago I had to testify and was asked to raise my right hand and recite, "I promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God". I left out so help me God, and the judge said "so help you God?" I responded that it's a court of law in the 21st century, such a statement is meaningless and antiquated. She did roll her eyes, but just said "ok let's continue". Don't think I would have pulled that if I was an actual defendent, but at the time it seemed so completely silly I just couldn't bring myself to say that oath seriously.
He’s a little off on the first king of England. Not 1927, more like 827. Would be really difficult to explain us rebelling from King George in 1776 if he didn’t exist.
One thing he brought up was the word god on our money. That, the pledge, and our national motto had god infiltrate them in the 50s, none of those were christian at inception.
Absolutely correct. All Eisenhower era additions. The pledge of allegiance didn’t originally contain the word god. God was added to money and the pledge of allegiance in the 50s. People like Sam don’t want to admit that the majority of the founding fathers didn’t practice Christianity that would be in any way recognizable to modern Christians. Also, almost everyone in the time was indoctrinated into religion in their youth, yet a good portion of founding fathers still didn’t put god into the constitution ONCE. That tells us a great deal about how they felt.
@@dylanpatterson7149 Another fun fact.. the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist and originally the salute to the flag was the same salute later used by Nazis (known as the bellamy salute IIRC)
Nor were they established as part of our governmental rule, but if it makes Sam feel better that phrase can stay on our money...well, maybe not, I'll have to think on that some more.
Remember when all the criminals and outlaws of the Old West always fled to Mexico, crossing the border to evade justice. You didn't hear the Mexican crying that they were being invaded by criminals, murders, rapists, thieves and insane people from America. LOL
There are practical economic issues in the 21st century with a global economy and open borders. That said, these people don't really care about those things: they use it as a cloak to thinly veiled their racism of all those scary people with more melanin than them. If they really cared, they go after employers, but they don't.
"Give me your sick, your poor, your tired masses..." is literally on the Statue of Liberty. New York was founded on immigration, much like other famous American cities. It's just racist to rag about it now given how restrictive the laws have become over time thanks to Republican gaslighting.
That's a fact. The country no longer works how it once did, 150 years ago, however. Our immigration laws and systems badly need to be reformed, I agree wholeheartedly. Along with many other systems and concepts, including how we treat people, citizen and non-citizen. Overwhelming the system, and causing more problems for those who do currently live here, is not the answer to this issue, at all.
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” ~ James Madison
Correct.. going back some years but i had a dinner in Texas with 5 intelligent and financially successful people.. their choice for president.? . marco rubio.. their reasoning ?.. he was good looking like JFK... 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
100%, we don’t need to jump to the conclusion that these people are intellectually inferior or in someway outright *disabled*; continuing to treat them in fellow human beings while still confronting and arguing on their stances is key, otherwise we’d just be justifying their persecution complex
Thank you!! Please put Dara on your channel again...I could listen to that brogue all day long! So glad to have found you, Seth. Love your common sense against these crazy people.
@@TreeHairedGingerAle He said he was talking about Aethelstan, who became King of the English in 927. So he just misspoke. Of all the stupid and ignorant shit he said, pulling him up on misspeaking is petty.
@@puckerings Others have mentioned the year thing, true. I don't particularly blame them. Don't act like the guy wasn't acting petty himself.... As for me, I've mostly been wondering at the fact that, apparently, he's an American who has a hard on for English kings. o.O; How would you factor that wrinkle in? 🤷🏾♀️
@@TreeHairedGingerAleNo, the first King of England wasn’t French he was an Anglo Saxon. You’re thinking of William who was Norman, of Viking descent, and over 100 years later.
It’s so funny listening to these types of callers because you can tell how they are so right in their echo chamber, but when the venture out into the real world, they sound INSANE
If I ever wanted to know how bad Texas' education is, this guy answered it. (This guy can't even operate a phone, never mind how it was built... sound familiar?)
It's hard to take these people serious. Him complaining other people don't know how to use a cellphone and then spends the next 20 minutes proving he has no idea how any phone works sums up his entire argument.
Imagine making fun of a host for not knowing how to use a phone because the host makes a facetious comment about them to another host, while actually literally not knowing how to use a phone. This guy thinks you have to put the receiver in your mouth.
He kept saying that atheists, and liberals are completely separate. I was surprised the hosts didn't ask him "what is the definition of atheism" I bet he would get it wrong.
One good point I got out of Andrew Seidel’s book the founding myth, is that the first commandment and the first amendment completely contradict each other.
I really think some people can't comprehend the complexity of life and need to categorize everything into simple easy to understand broad generalizations. It is one of my pet peeves. It is especially dangerous when we do this to people.
@@markderamo9229 they don't, save for the lax tax laws wihch allow for money laundering, so only rich twats can move there anyway, besides, abbot is busy maknig sure even native texans want to jump ship right quick, so your assertion is incorrect on it's face why is texas so low in metrics bro? oh right, red states (sorry, long-standing conservative enclaves) are cesspits of failed economic development your 2013 regurgitaiton needs an update bro!!
The caller should read the biographies of the 'founding fathers'. He would find that they were all business men, first and foremost. None of them wanted religion involved in the government because they knew from a business perspective it's not wise to mix religion with business, and they felt the same way about religion with government. Infact, they all took quite a bit of heat from the organised churches for NOT making the government more church focused. They would get admonished by different religious groups, they took a lot of pressure but stood firm. So, if we try to answer the question: were the founding fathers religious? The answer is pretty complicated. Because "religious" today means something different than it did back then. But to make a broad overly simplied generalization, most of the founders were 'religious' in so much as they believed in a supreme being, a creator. But they were also deists and deism is basically the idea that there is a supreme being who made everything, but that's where it stops, and that this being doesn't participate in our lives and doesn't have any active role in the goings on on earth. The caller should google things like: George Washington and Deism or Deist. And then he should google ALL of the 'founding fathers' and Deism, and he'll learn that they were infact against ANY religion taking root in the government they were trying to establish. It's all very interesting! They were extremely smart people capable of looking at things from all sorts of perspectives which is why they stood firm against the churches at the time trying to force their will on the formation of the government.
What is wrong with this caller and all the hate for the people coming from our southern border? 99% of the people coming here from the southern border believe Jesus is their lord and saver.
Trumpers.....they "know" the Constitution, the rule of Law, Law and Order. Yet, The Separation of Church and State is alien to them. Never heard of it. Never read it. 🤔🤔🤣🤣
He accuses Seth of not understanding how a phone works, then proceeds to breathe into the phone. The irony is hilarious.
had the same thought.
Lmao ikr
To be fair, are we surprised Trumpanzees are mouth-breathers?
And hasn't read the constitution, doesn't know how america works 😂
Oh? You just don't know how a phone works. Sam knows that if you want to use it correctly you have to swallow it.
THE CONSTITUTION
CONTAINS 4,543 WORDS
NONE OF THEM ARE
"GOD", " "JESUS", "CHRISTIANITY", . OR "BIBLE"
In my mind they are implied and also I don't let facts get in my way of my delu.... belief
Yes the guy knows that's why he refuses to answer and then pretends he doesn't remember after trying to change the subject twice.
Yep.
The dude must also not have read the very first amendment, either.
@@MagiRemmie Are you sure he can read?
"A Patriot is someone who stands with the country, not someone who stands with the President" Theodore Roosevelt.
Who’s the head of this country? The president. Patriotism is retarded.
@@lennym1636 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
“A patriot is a dumbass”
Me
@@marouanpater2334 Seems legit.
Don't ask what you can do for your country
Ask what your country can do for you.
Megadeth
I'm a military veteran with 26 years service, and I'm an atheist. According to Sam, I can't be a patriot because I don't believe in his god. Wow! I wonder if Sam was ever in the military.
yup
Semper Fi from this former Marine. Thank you sir.
Sam would have totally been in the military if it weren't for his bone spurs.
Same here, brother, same here.
Respect Brother, Hooah
I'm so so SO tired of the assumption that atheists are somehow empty inside.
This is the thing. An atheist, or anti-theist, can live life exactly as Jesus preached, meaning follow the golden rule, and yet many Christian fundamentalists will still think atheists are immoral. I had some Jehovah's witnesses come to my door and I explained this to them and they were wonderfully accepting of my explanation. My "worship" is being kind to others, kind to animals, a steward of the environment we all share. And I follow our country's laws over any religious doctrine others may believe in that challenge our laws. I don't need to prove to anyone my moral standing other than this. Walz is right, people need to start minding their own business, unless someone is directly harming someone else.
Ch4istian indoctrination is the cause. It's like people who watch Fox. If you continually submit to being told what to think and feel, it isn't long before you lose all capacity for independent thought and intuition.
And that does not include an unviable fetus, cytoblast or zygote.
evangelicals can't imagine being a good person without the prospect of going to heaven.
It is part of their indoctrination.
It will never not be wild to me how untethered from reality Trumpers are.
I love asking them which policy he has that makes their lives better
@@thehornetschool”muh borders”!
@@thehornetschoolhey... you bite your tongue 👅 , he's sticking up for cats of the USA 🤪..😂😂😂
the dude sounded insane from the start!
You would rather have communists for president and vice president. Nice.
If Ignorance is bliss then this guy must be the happiest person alive.........
He is not fully consentraiting...he has 3 cats on the stove 🤪...😂😂😂
More like he's holding onto some fantasy that he actively needs to reinforce with bs. Seems like an incredibly stressful way to live.
Unfortunately, America's most ignorant people are not happy. They are not happy at all.
He is not, he is a hate filled bigot narcisist who hates everyone around himself... so you know... typical MAGA deal
@@Kelvin-c9h OMG! That was funny!
According to this guy, the decade of my life spent in the army as a liberal atheist excludes me from being a patriot. I tried, guys. Maybe I can get a participation trophy 🙄
Thank you for your service 💙
same lmao
Ah, but we're you in a foxhole? If not, CHECKMATE, ATHEIST!!!
Here you go. 🏆 Thanks for your participation.
Thank you for your service as a true American!
I'm not afraid of my child going to school and returning a different gender. I am afraid of my child going to school and returning an evangelical Christian.
@Samael-Metzger or not coming home as a parent, that's my biggest fear
@@Samael-Metzger same here
@@motorsr20 Indeed!
Im afraid of my child going to school and not coming back.
@@TheModdedwarfare3 What is Trump and the GOP's plan for dealing with the mental health crisis in the U.S.? How about their plan dealing with the gun and mass shooting crisis in the U.S.? I can't find a single policy position on either subject.
The irony of saying what the country is about without having ever read the constitution.
As a damn European I'VE STUDIED IT.
As an American I was appalled that he was making these claims but hadn't brushed up on the Constitution. Perhaps he was afraid it would debunk his beliefs??
78 year old Englishman here, so have I, and the Amendments and all of the Federalist papers, all 85 of them.
This man votes people, Please go out and vote this November
This is precisely the reason why voting is useless.
If you live in Texas, GO VOTE.
Also... consider moving out of Texas.
Ha! delete replies... Red flag right there.
I'm an atheist and I'm against most illegal and legal immigration to the US right now. And I know plenty of religious folks who take the opposite view as a matter of faith.
@@brianbrennan5600 Right! And the first thing we do, is deport Elon Musk.
Definition of a mouthbreather, in all senses.
Probably got a crayon up each nostril…
Except when you hear words from him, then you think they come from another orifice.
All that bad breath
And was accusing atheists of not knowing how phones work...
Just because you call yourself a patriot doesn't mean you are.
Generally if you have to broadcast it, you're not.
@@duncanbryson1167if u stand by your countrys peaceful transfer of power you are a patriot in my book. By definition the inserrectionists cannot be
Everyone knows that patriots bootlick the police and military lol
@@OphiumsCopiumDen I don't agree with that. Starting an insurrection is not unpatriotic, necessarily. To be a patriot is not the same to everyone, because not everyone has the same vision of what America should be. If this country forced Christianity on everyone under threat of jail, would you just accept it or fight back?
I'm not saying I agree with what happened on the 6th, I'm just trying to illustrate that that act doesn't necessarily make them unpatriotic. Your actions don't have to be smart or make sense to be a patriot, you just have to have a strong love for your ideal of your country. That's what I think at least.
Trump calls himself a patriot and tried to overthrow the republic and has vowed to toss the constitution.
What does it sound like when a person gets 100% of their news from right wing memes and tik toks 👆
I voted for trump twice now I'm going to give Harris a chance
I KNEW tRUMP WAS TRASH IN 1973!!!
Caller: “You don’t know how phones work.”
Also caller: *breathes loudly into his phone while others are speaking*
seriously
Literal mouth breather…
I scrolled the comments specifically for this observation. 🙏
The caller complains that liberals denigrate America, yet DJT is calling the US a failing nation and saying the nation is being lost to American carnage.
The MAGAs do nothing but shit talk America these days.
Also, the only people saying that the US has "open borders" are conservatives.
A point could be made that America is failing but none of the relevant metrics can be found in DJT's opinions and ramblings. Things like politicians being bought by corporations, crumbling infrastructure, unaffordable healtcare and childcare, anti-intellectualism, for-profit prisons, unaffordable housing, food and education unavailable healthy food options, the military industrial complex... there's a lot wrong with the US, but it ain't about black and brown people.
Incredibly, trump got it right.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 Trumpers should go live in a non-evolving country more to their liking.
He doesn't know asylum isn't illegal.
Didn't Jesus say to welcome the stranger ?
@@doneestoner9945 Not Republican Jesus. Republican Jesus loves guns, greed and racism.
That's the problem with Trump supporters. They just use the term "illegal" to describe absolutely everyone coming into the country. They don't make any distinction, because they're not motivated by facts or reason, they're motivated by racism.
@@doneestoner9945 Well see in that part of the book he was just being lazy and calling it in, so they ignore it.
Neither apparently do Trump or Vance.
Im a Christian
And I am absolutely appalled at what Trump has done to this country!
Hey Sam, GFY! I spent 25 years in the Army in combat arms and went on 3 combat tours. I'm an atheist, very progressive, and vote in every election. I reiterate, GFY!
Letting this guy ramble was a tactical victory
Well done guys🍻
Agreed, very well handled by Seth & Dara.
do not interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake. :)
We could hear his diseased mind at work.
“I’ve given you enough rope.” Brilliant. 😂
Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself.
☝🏾✨Yes. This right here!
What's sad is sometimes as things play out, the stuff you systematically planned with great care and thought falls apart, and the stuff you just threw together on a wing and a prayer comes to pass. Life is pretty nonsensical at times. But most of the time, I recommend the path of planning rather than just living on a whim. There will be times though when a whim is ALL you have.
@@theboombody Agreed.
Yet, in that case, there are usually _other_ conditions already at play in your environment/situation that _allow_ for that whim to come to fruition, instead of failing.
And the whim succeeding should then be attributed to you taking a chance, and the conditions of the situation being stacked on your side...not on the plan of a deity.
Excellent!
And churches are where all capacity for critical thinking is systematically beaten out of you.
Seth gave a masterclass on how to politely slap a person without using his hands. 😂😂😂
With how rude and condescending Sam was, there is an extremely high probability Sam is a flat Earther.
I had been raised a Southern Baptist who stated that most "Christians" were not "Christians". 250 years ago, most Native Americans were not "Christians". The USA has never been a "Christian" country.
Did he say the first king of England was in 1927?
He did 😂😂😂, only about a thousand years out 😂,
Came here to post the same thing. Guy thinks England was founded after WWI lol.
@@dogwalker666 I wasn't sure at first, I reminded to make sure
Seems to undermine his historical arguments a bit.
He must have missspoken, right?😅 'cause the name was the right one, or did we all missheard what he said... I am confused.
The ignorance of history and our founding fathers is a testament to the failure of the education system and the poor parenting of America. This segment of our society so arrogantly ignorant and damn proud of it is downright embarrassing and disgraceful.
This is a perfect statement. There’s no way to improve it. Thanks.
Not just American history. He thinks that first King of England was in the 1900s.
I wholeheartedly agree. I also feel that poor nutrition plays a role in an overall lack of mental acuity.
People like this caller also well represents those who do not bother to read and educate _themselves._
says arden doesn’t understand phones while eating his microphone and breathing into it like an idiot even after being told he’s doing it is HILARIOUS
He was saying Seth doesn't know about phones
Seth always dismantles these fools in such a calm and measured way. Legend
Love the way he handled this caller - I just found this channel. Happy to be here with other atheists.
The latest estimate for the percentage of Americans who are Christian is 63%, a number that has been falling fast, so nowhere close to 95%. Clearly, this guy went to Trump University of Lie Telling.
The fastest church growth is in iran.
89.73% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
I'm an American constitutionalist, a libertarian, and a very skeptical Atheist. The US constitution was not founded on any Abrahamic principles, laws, or teachings. No references to Jesus, Yahweh, Moses, or Abraham. It was written by people who were critical of state religion. The first clause, of the first amendment reads as follows:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof..."
These were people who were weary of a state religion, and familiar with the abuses by theocracy. They knew that in a theocracy, you cannot have religious freedom. The founders set up a secular state, because the goal of the country was to be an objective and unbiased protection of free enterprise and free association.
Thank you a fellow libertarian and atheist.
Third'ed. I want people to be able to seek asylum, legally, through the proper immigration systems.
Fourth. Christian Nationalists have to deliberately ignore the crucial facts around the foundation of the United States in their effort to justify their depraved perversion of its ideals.
They decry Sharia law while attempting to enact a Christian version of something every bit as terrible.
Their claims of patriotism bely their actual hatred of what America actually is, and what it aspires to be. They’d be much happier in Nazi Germany than in the 21st century United States.
Even Christians should be against a coerced theocracy. The religion requires genuine faith, not feigned.
@@quotedotes Which is what they’re doing.
This is what happens when you get your education from Sunday school not a public one.
Probably. My guess this idiot was home schooled.
"My daddy told everything he and I thinks is right. So there!"
But surely he didn't get all that political brainwashing from church!
That would be illegal! Surely it doesn't happen constantly, everywhere, without any pushback whatsoever, by tax-exempt professional brainwashers...
Sunday school may cover limited topics but public schools have issues of their own. A lot of them have such problems with discipline that any kind of learning is unable to take place, and the schools become little more than daycares for older kids. It's a sad thing. Community colleges seem to be doing good though. I'm a big fan of those.
@@theboombodyso this is all a feelings argument huh
A literal mouth breather.
“They’re eating the dogs!” 😂😂
Not to mention the kitties!
And the cats!
Dawgs!
... and the geese!
😂
I have literally NEVER heard Matt speak in favour of open borders
That is because we don't have open borders, hence border control at both ends.
To defend a party or government whose policies amount to open boarders is the same thought process. Does it really matter if they aren't doing it on purpose, given, it wouldn't be unreasonable to consider it an invasion. Imagine if every human on this planet decided they wish to occupy the US. That would be an invasion, right? Scale doesn't change the definition.
I've never heard Matt D talk about being for open borders. I can't wait for Harris to win this election and end Trumpism..
I don’t know ANY liberal that wants “open” borders. Well-regulated immigration is what we’re looking for.
That will not end Trumpism. It will keep him out of the White House the rest of the damage is yet to be seen.
Trump exists to keep you looking at him, and not asking what the other wing of the same bird is doing.
Proxy war against Russia.
Kids in cages.
Genocide in gaza.
All happening under Democrats.
You live in a one party state.
Republicans will proclaim everything is solved if Trump loses, after the inevitable, "They stole the election" nonsense for a handful of months afterwards. They will try to pretend like the party has changed.
DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. Trump is not the underlying issue.
To Republicans, "Open Borders" is the US/Mexico Border during a Democratic Party Presidential Administration. The moment the Republicans have the White House, despite number of immigrants or deportations, the border is no longer "open".
Sam has zero knowledge about anything. The USA is so broken.
This.
And it’s because of people like YOU voting for the train wreck that is the biden administration.
That applies to all Republicans as well
@@joelbusald6416 This coming from somebody who voted for joe biden 😅😆
@markderamo9229 well, Trumps party don't know the difference between fascism and communism. If you cant define the two you should be quiet and learn
What a bigot
A true Christian.
Im a patriot. I am not a christian. I served in the Marine Corps and I still honor my oath to the Constitution. What now?
Unhinged 😂😂😂
He'd quickly be in favour of a secular state if the Catholic Church or Islam was the state religion...
Seriously, let's please stop juxtaposing pro choice with pro life. It's pro choice and anti choice, because none of us are anti life.
I would argue that. Those who are "Pro Life" don't give a CRAP about the life of that child or their parent after they are born. They will force a woman to have a baby she can't afford, while they do their very best to stop access to birth control and then denigrate the woman for being on welfare. That's NOT pro life, that's pro birth. In addition, if you support the death penalty, you are NOT pro life. The state putting on a performance of killing a human being and calling it "justice" lessens us as a society.
It's either "forced birth" or "correct" in my book
Awesome comment! I think it's also true that none of us are "pro abortion". They can't quite figure out what "pro choice" means. Abortion is the only medical procedure ruled by law. You're not even required to give your child BLOOD by law, even if they are DYING.
Agreed!
This 100%
I remember when "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. I always omit those 2 words.
When I was a wee lad and they still did the pledge many of us would not say those words or the pledge at all. One teacher exasperated asked why we refused to pledge allegiance to the country that harbors us and protects us. My readying partner put it best. She said I can’t pledge allegiance with a country that willingly bombs women and children because they have a different political ideology. Never was questioned or scowled at over the pledge after that day. The sixties had more thoughtful people than is given credit for.
Pledges of allegiance are typically for dictatorships.
Me too. I think we should lobby to have them removed. The current version is not the pledge I said my first few years in elementary school.
Years ago I had to testify and was asked to raise my right hand and recite, "I promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God". I left out so help me God, and the judge said "so help you God?" I responded that it's a court of law in the 21st century, such a statement is meaningless and antiquated. She did roll her eyes, but just said "ok let's continue". Don't think I would have pulled that if I was an actual defendent, but at the time it seemed so completely silly I just couldn't bring myself to say that oath seriously.
@@odinson6348 Bravo!
One cannot be a true Christian and support Trump. Neither can one be a patriot and support Trump.
OK then what is a TRUE christian? One that totally ignores the bible probably
True Christians seem in line with Trump.
@@gowdsake7103Trump totally ignores the bible
Christianity is not a badge of honor.
@@gowdsake7103 One that follows the teachings of Christ of course. You know, things like giving to the poor that kind of stuff.
He’s a little off on the first king of England. Not 1927, more like 827. Would be really difficult to explain us rebelling from King George in 1776 if he didn’t exist.
Exactly, dude doesn’t seem the type to read actual history books 🤦♀️
He couldn’t even immediately say “No I wouldn’t be ok with an ethnic/cultural group being targeted by my government.”
That strawman is big enough to need its own ZIP code
One thing he brought up was the word god on our money. That, the pledge, and our national motto had god infiltrate them in the 50s, none of those were christian at inception.
And none of those were adapted by the founding fathers. The motto they chose was 'E Pluribus Unum"
Absolutely correct. All Eisenhower era additions. The pledge of allegiance didn’t originally contain the word god. God was added to money and the pledge of allegiance in the 50s. People like Sam don’t want to admit that the majority of the founding fathers didn’t practice Christianity that would be in any way recognizable to modern Christians. Also, almost everyone in the time was indoctrinated into religion in their youth, yet a good portion of founding fathers still didn’t put god into the constitution ONCE. That tells us a great deal about how they felt.
The “God” words added in the 1950’s were (during the Cold War) to distinguish us from the “Godless Commies”.
@@dylanpatterson7149 Another fun fact.. the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist and originally the salute to the flag was the same salute later used by Nazis (known as the bellamy salute IIRC)
Nor were they established as part of our governmental rule, but if it makes Sam feel better that phrase can stay on our money...well, maybe not, I'll have to think on that some more.
The first restrictive U.S. immigration law was not passed until 1875. The U.S. was founded and existed for years with "open borders."
Not just that, but entire nations and empires existed for tens of thousands of years with no concept of a border.
Remember when all the criminals and outlaws of the Old West always fled to Mexico, crossing the border to evade justice. You didn't hear the Mexican crying that they were being invaded by criminals, murders, rapists, thieves and insane people from America. LOL
There are practical economic issues in the 21st century with a global economy and open borders.
That said, these people don't really care about those things: they use it as a cloak to thinly veiled their racism of all those scary people with more melanin than them.
If they really cared, they go after employers, but they don't.
"Give me your sick, your poor, your tired masses..." is literally on the Statue of Liberty. New York was founded on immigration, much like other famous American cities. It's just racist to rag about it now given how restrictive the laws have become over time thanks to Republican gaslighting.
That's a fact. The country no longer works how it once did, 150 years ago, however. Our immigration laws and systems badly need to be reformed, I agree wholeheartedly. Along with many other systems and concepts, including how we treat people, citizen and non-citizen. Overwhelming the system, and causing more problems for those who do currently live here, is not the answer to this issue, at all.
“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” ~ James Madison
And yet, here we are. Christians are trying to assert themselves into the constitution.
It's possible Sam is an intelligent man. Delusion and bigotry do not require stupidity.
Register and vote this November.
Correct.. going back some years but i had a dinner in Texas with 5 intelligent and financially successful people.. their choice for president.? . marco rubio.. their reasoning ?.. he was good looking like JFK... 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
100%, we don’t need to jump to the conclusion that these people are intellectually inferior or in someway outright *disabled*; continuing to treat them in fellow human beings while still confronting and arguing on their stances is key, otherwise we’d just be justifying their persecution complex
Sam is in a cult and is sad about it.
Say the word 'cult' and Sam immediately thinks you're talking about him.
Proves he's not wrong about everything.
“You will not be a doctor of how cars work”.
It's true though.
@@ryanrobertson8951 Hey, I know! I’m only a licensed nurse practitioner of how cars work
@@acspicer LOL. I guess that makes me an RN of how my table saw works since I can take it apart and put it back together!
I know someone with a phD in Automotive Engineering!
Veterinarian of Tractors and Small Motor Repair
It makes my head hurt hearing an American demonstrate how little they know of American history...
Not just America. What was the name of the first English king enthroned in 1927? I couldn’t understand his rambling.
@@lolly_golightly yeah that stood out to me as well, obviously he misspoke the 19... Fwiw, he meant Aethelstan, in 925 AD.
How much do you want to bet that most of these "America First!" guys have confederate flags in the back of their pickup trucks?
Imagine being wrong on 100% of everything you believe.
Don’t believe everything you think. 🔵
We thrive for perfection, some people achieve it. 100% - can't get better than that, can you?
Sam clearly doesn't know how telephones work, he's got it practically inside of his mouth...
He must have heard that if he held it to his head he'd get a better signal, and took it one step beyond!
Merica. Trucks. Guns. Bibles.
You must live near me
You forgot guns
@@Imperial-Socialist
Nope, read the reply.
You forgot "babies" 😉
@@duncanbryson1167 he forgot guns. It was only listed once.
G Washington said I never met a religious person that wasn't a bore. This guy is pretty dim
I absolutely love how they just let him go on and on making himself sound like a complete tool.
Thank you!! Please put Dara on your channel again...I could listen to that brogue all day long! So glad to have found you, Seth. Love your common sense against these crazy people.
The caller is a myopic simpleton. Everyone that doesn’t think like him is the enemy! 😂😂
"How can you say god isn't real if you don't know how a phone works?! Anyway, the first king of England was in 1927"
Just in time to be shoved to the sidelines for Churchill to come in as the prime minister.
😂😂😂
I thought I’d misheard that. Wildly uneducated ranting..
Athelstan, the first Christian king of England, in 1937. You heard it here, folks!
I laughed out loud 😂
Being a patriot means loving your country enough to admit when it is seriously messed up and needs to change.
Wow. That guy just spewed a long word salad of a lot of stereotypes.
Love how they let him ramble his bullshit for a long time just digging himself into a hole.
"The first King of England, back in 1927, was a devout Christian." 😂
😅 Am I misremembering? Wasn't the first king a Frenchman? 😅 How does that go well with his freedom fries?
@@TreeHairedGingerAle He said he was talking about Aethelstan, who became King of the English in 927. So he just misspoke.
Of all the stupid and ignorant shit he said, pulling him up on misspeaking is petty.
@@puckerings Others have mentioned the year thing, true. I don't particularly blame them. Don't act like the guy wasn't acting petty himself....
As for me, I've mostly been wondering at the fact that, apparently, he's an American who has a hard on for English kings. o.O;
How would you factor that wrinkle in? 🤷🏾♀️
@@TreeHairedGingerAleNo, the first King of England wasn’t French he was an Anglo Saxon.
You’re thinking of William who was Norman, of Viking descent, and over 100 years later.
Public education really needs an overhaul.
Most of these people are homeschooled by wacka doodle Christian nationalists parents
Wow, he couldn't just say he would stand against the government rounding up Jews! WTF is wrong with these people.
Astonishing.
Sam is Dunning-Kruger made flesh; It sounds like there's been lead in his communion wine for a long time.
Seth is the fuckin man!
Every time
I would have at least muted him. Sam probably doesn't realize they could have done that at any time rather than listen to his gross breathing noises.
@@solomonverrico he was snorting and breathing heavier at the peak points in which Seth was owning him and his arguments.
It’s so funny listening to these types of callers because you can tell how they are so right in their echo chamber, but when the venture out into the real world, they sound INSANE
The Constitution never mentions god or Christianity and only mentions religion ONCE. And that one time says, "no we shouldn't."
Christian values of genocide and slavery?
If I ever wanted to know how bad Texas' education is, this guy answered it. (This guy can't even operate a phone, never mind how it was built... sound familiar?)
It's hard to take these people serious. Him complaining other people don't know how to use a cellphone and then spends the next 20 minutes proving he has no idea how any phone works sums up his entire argument.
Wait, you don’t chew on the phone while talking like Sam? 😂
@@dylanpatterson7149 I sprinkle a little garlic powder on mine, it makes the voices taste better 😂
“Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.” -- Hunter S. Thompson.
I remember the first king of England in 1927 or 37, Mr. Applestan
Inventor of the Apple phone 😂
Yeah.... wasn't he the guy who kicked Hittlers ass...😂
😂 grandfather of Johnny Appleseed
Aethelstan, in 927. He just misspoke.
@@puckerings never let the truth get in the way of a good story 😂
Sam will be voting for Trump and there are millions of people like him, this is why you have to vote. Vote Blue
Sam's views on the left and right are extremely skewed. Sounds like he is deep down the MAGA hole.
Imagine making fun of a host for not knowing how to use a phone because the host makes a facetious comment about them to another host, while actually literally not knowing how to use a phone. This guy thinks you have to put the receiver in your mouth.
Sam. Hearing you reassures me I am on the right side of things.
Guy says you don't know how phones work and then has to be told repeatedly to back away from the phone.
He kept saying that atheists, and liberals are completely separate. I was surprised the hosts didn't ask him "what is the definition of atheism" I bet he would get it wrong.
“How dare you logic at me when I called in to embarrass myself!”
He doesn't even know how to use a phone, how ironic, turns out he's an expert in how not to use a phone.
I love this call. Seth and Dara, brilliant, succinctly pointing out Sam’s generalisations. Thankyou
This caller is a piece of work. Light work, cause his Right-wing bigotry is old and dated... but a piece of it nevertheless.
One good point I got out of Andrew Seidel’s book the founding myth, is that the first commandment and the first amendment completely contradict each other.
I really think some people can't comprehend the complexity of life and need to categorize everything into simple easy to understand broad generalizations. It is one of my pet peeves. It is especially dangerous when we do this to people.
And people wonder why others laugh at Texas...
Then why does everybody keep wanting to move there, outside of Florida?
@@markderamo9229 they don't, save for the lax tax laws wihch allow for money laundering, so only rich twats can move there anyway, besides, abbot is busy maknig sure even native texans want to jump ship right quick, so your assertion is incorrect on it's face
why is texas so low in metrics bro?
oh right, red states (sorry, long-standing conservative enclaves) are cesspits of failed economic development
your 2013 regurgitaiton needs an update bro!!
Boy, this guy graduated 1st of his class at MAGA university.
This is the infection of wilful ignorance on full display.
They have swallowed the BS so completely.
The caller should read the biographies of the 'founding fathers'.
He would find that they were all business men, first and foremost.
None of them wanted religion involved in the government because they knew from a business perspective it's not wise to mix religion with business, and they felt the same way about religion with government.
Infact, they all took quite a bit of heat from the organised churches for NOT making the government more church focused.
They would get admonished by different religious groups, they took a lot of pressure but stood firm.
So, if we try to answer the question:
were the founding fathers religious?
The answer is pretty complicated. Because "religious" today means something different than it did back then.
But to make a broad overly simplied generalization, most of the founders were 'religious' in so much as they believed in a supreme being, a creator.
But they were also deists and deism is basically the idea that there is a supreme being who made everything, but that's where it stops, and that this being doesn't participate in our lives and doesn't have any active role in the goings on on earth.
The caller should google things like:
George Washington and Deism or Deist.
And then he should google ALL of the 'founding fathers' and Deism, and he'll learn that they were infact against ANY religion taking root in the government they were trying to establish.
It's all very interesting!
They were extremely smart people capable of looking at things from all sorts of perspectives which is why they stood firm against the churches at the time trying to force their will on the formation of the government.
Amen
I'll bet the caller is wearing a tee shirt with a big Q on it
Dude completely filled my MAGA ignorant talking point Bingo Card.
What is wrong with this caller and all the hate for the people coming from our southern border? 99% of the people coming here from the southern border believe Jesus is their lord and saver.
It's racism. Plain old, simple racism
i would imagine that Catholics are the wrong type of christian for this caller.
When the Europeans came pouring onto the continent I’m sure he was fine with that boarder policy even when the actual natives were most assuredly not.
It's their skin tone that's the problem, not their religion. Sam is a racist
The irony
I am an atheist, anti-abortion and pro-choice
Trumpers.....they "know" the Constitution, the rule of Law, Law and Order. Yet, The Separation of Church and State is alien to them. Never heard of it. Never read it. 🤔🤔🤣🤣
"You don't even know how to use a phone!" - Sam, who is deepthroaring his phone