"Shoot the moon" is a great name to replace "non traditional." Love that style of scoring, especially if it's tied in with Secret Points and (Secret!) Personal Goals. I like the suspense of seeing _some_ points on the board, but then there's the delight of knowing that you have some more secret points of your own that could turn the tide in your favor!
1. ? 2. Smallworld 3. King of Tokyo 4. Clank 5. Captain Sonar 6. Scotland Yard? 7. Snow Tails 8. ? 9. Ghost Stories? 10. Shadows over Camelot 11. Lifeboat? 12. Cosmic Encounter 13. BANG 14. Diplomacy? 15. Castles of Burgundy 16. (Some Euro in Europe?) 17. Unlock series 18. T.I.M.E. Stories 19. Liberte? 20. Hearts. By what he was talking about at certain points the ones with ? I assume that's what they are. The ones with only ? I have no idea. Sorry, good luck with the others.
There was a couple of games illustrated that I did not recognise..... would be nice to have a small label for each of the illustrated games so viewers can research those that look interesting :)
I love the non-traditional win cons in Magic: The Gathering. You usually win by depleting your opponent's life or milling their decks, but every now and then there comes a card that let you win through very different conditions, like controlling many artifacts, or by milling yourself, or by casting a specific card twice in a match. Then, suddenly, you're making a crazy deck just to see if that's actually viable. Ascension has some cards that work like that too, I think PRIME Directive lets you win by controlling 8 or more Mechana Constructs.
My favorite will always be the "single thematic event". It is similar to the racing mechanic but broader. The resolution of a scenario goal, be the first to get to the treasure, kill the necromancer, cure the diseases etc.
I'll tell you the most useless one: Victory Point Spreadsheet(ing) - where you just have to do a lot of calculus at the end of the game, taking you completely out of the theme, and then it appears that, oh, player X won...on points. Big deal. No one cares at that point anymore.
I like games where you win by having to balance different things. Tigris & Euphrates you win by having the most points in your lowest scoring color. Wendake you win by summing your two lowest scores on two different tracks. The Great Dinosaur Rush you win by having the most points BUT the person with the most notoriety subtracts their notoriety from their score while everyone else adds theirs. High Society you need the most item points but not have the least money. These kinds of balance I find really make a game interesting.
My favs are: Pax Renaissance - players get to CHOOSE which vitory condition to apply among 4, but you never know when or if you'll be able to choose the one you feel to be nearest to! And the game is so complex and intertwined that often the winner gets the victory on a completely overlooked condition, he just triggers it and says I F****NG WON! with everyone else at at the table staring at the map in disbelief. LOTR Confrontation - you never know until the end. The shadow player could have slaughtered the entire fellowship, doesn't matter, until Frodo is alive and kicking there's alwaws a chance. It often feels like a football touchdown.
Hearts was the first thing that came to mind on your #1. It’s especially fun when someone notices and they go “hey! He’s been getting away with that the whole time!” But you just go hahahaha too late!
I really like non-traditional/ shoot the moon that is why I always liked the L5R card game, win by destroying their stronghold, but you can also get enough honor to win or make your opponent run out of honor.
I definitely agree with your number 1. Last game of Space Base, I was confident I was going to win since I could see myself getting my last base. All my points were from bases except 1 die roll. The top 3 scores were 48,48 and "You Win", on the last turn!
My favorite win condition in any game- Sid Meier's Civilization. Multiple victory conditions.4 Different types of victory (Military victory, Economic, Technology, and Culture.) Really interesting and thematic to the different types of growth in a civilization.
I'll echo the comments about the fun of Shoot The Moon victories. In some ways its similar to number 10, hidden points, because it keeps the game exciting till the very end. The Star Realms expansion that added secret objectives is one of my favorites because of the chance of pulling off that surprise ending.
meet a personal goal mixed with non traditional is the best .....TI4/ecllipse plays this way...your kinda trying to win by your alien races special ability but some/most times you win by another condition
Funny, your number one is also my number 1. With Star Realms, ever since they added the Missions to it, I always want to add missions to the game. I love the alternate win option.
I thought this was going to be a list of the games with your favorite victory conditions, not just a run down of the types of conditions there are. I feel cheated.
I like the fact that you gave an example or two of each of the victory conditions. In fact, even better would be your top 3 of each of them! Good topic.
Toms outfit looks like he's going to a board game funeral.
Haha
It is a tie with Paper (Monopoly) Money so I think you're right.
Though Monopoly is more of a Cthulian Zombie at this point - it just won't die.
Honorable mention: Chloroforming the other players.
1:52 "And I hate that just as much as me" HAHAA
"Shoot the moon" is a great name to replace "non traditional." Love that style of scoring, especially if it's tied in with Secret Points and (Secret!) Personal Goals. I like the suspense of seeing _some_ points on the board, but then there's the delight of knowing that you have some more secret points of your own that could turn the tide in your favor!
My favorite win condition is beat the big baddie. A lot of co-op games have a big boss monster or something of that nature at the end of the scenario.
"I hate this as much as me" - true statement
Can anyone name all the games that were shown in the video? Some of them looked very interesting. Thanks!
1. ? 2. Smallworld 3. King of Tokyo 4. Clank 5. Captain Sonar 6. Scotland Yard? 7. Snow Tails 8. ? 9. Ghost Stories? 10. Shadows over Camelot 11. Lifeboat? 12. Cosmic Encounter 13. BANG 14. Diplomacy? 15. Castles of Burgundy 16. (Some Euro in Europe?) 17. Unlock series 18. T.I.M.E. Stories 19. Liberte? 20. Hearts. By what he was talking about at certain points the ones with ? I assume that's what they are. The ones with only ? I have no idea. Sorry, good luck with the others.
@@dragonlance6027 pretty sure the first coins are from Five Tribes. And the one after Snowtails is The Oracle of Delphi for sure.
@@J-Wheeler-G cool.
Space Base was in there under #1 also
The one after Castles of Burgundy is Grand Austria Hotel.
There was a couple of games illustrated that I did not recognise..... would be nice to have a small label for each of the illustrated games so viewers can research those that look interesting :)
I love the non-traditional win cons in Magic: The Gathering. You usually win by depleting your opponent's life or milling their decks, but every now and then there comes a card that let you win through very different conditions, like controlling many artifacts, or by milling yourself, or by casting a specific card twice in a match. Then, suddenly, you're making a crazy deck just to see if that's actually viable.
Ascension has some cards that work like that too, I think PRIME Directive lets you win by controlling 8 or more Mechana Constructs.
My favorite will always be the "single thematic event". It is similar to the racing mechanic but broader. The resolution of a scenario goal, be the first to get to the treasure, kill the necromancer, cure the diseases etc.
Really bad intro ;/
Isn't that the dance that you make when you win ?
If you are 10 and have ADHD, then yes!
I liked it in it's silly way. Just keeping it light and diverse... 😜
LOL! That silhouette dancer looks like he is having a fit.
I'll tell you the most useless one: Victory Point Spreadsheet(ing) - where you just have to do a lot of calculus at the end of the game, taking you completely out of the theme, and then it appears that, oh, player X won...on points. Big deal. No one cares at that point anymore.
I like games where you win by having to balance different things. Tigris & Euphrates you win by having the most points in your lowest scoring color. Wendake you win by summing your two lowest scores on two different tracks. The Great Dinosaur Rush you win by having the most points BUT the person with the most notoriety subtracts their notoriety from their score while everyone else adds theirs. High Society you need the most item points but not have the least money. These kinds of balance I find really make a game interesting.
What game was at 4:06? I loved the way it looked with the unique element symbols and the greek subtheme.
Oracle of Delphi
Re: 7 Wonders Duel... Science victories happen all the time. Science is over powered, especially with the Parthenon expansion.
I don't get why Tom is saying that, when I play it it's almost always a science win, sometimes military, but it rarely ever comes to points.
Hidden points with a point salad. Caverna and great western trail come to mind. I like the feeling of uncertainty throughout the game.
Is flipping the table a winning condition? 😂
Yes, but only as a last resort ;)
My favs are:
Pax Renaissance - players get to CHOOSE which vitory condition to apply among 4, but you never know when or if you'll be able to choose the one you feel to be nearest to! And the game is so complex and intertwined that often the winner gets the victory on a completely overlooked condition, he just triggers it and says I F****NG WON! with everyone else at at the table staring at the map in disbelief.
LOTR Confrontation - you never know until the end. The shadow player could have slaughtered the entire fellowship, doesn't matter, until Frodo is alive and kicking there's alwaws a chance. It often feels like a football touchdown.
I like objective based victory points.
Hearts was the first thing that came to mind on your #1. It’s especially fun when someone notices and they go “hey! He’s been getting away with that the whole time!” But you just go hahahaha too late!
For me it's "Kill the shogun" in Yedo
Hates monopoly and paper money, wears a monopoly paper money tie lol
Could you add a list of at least maybe 2 games of each category?
Point Salad!!!! Trademark infringement
9) Yes pseudo player elimination is the worst
I really like non-traditional/ shoot the moon that is why I always liked the L5R card game, win by destroying their stronghold, but you can also get enough honor to win or make your opponent run out of honor.
Agreed! Its been decades since I played but I still remember sneaky wins with my Crane deck.
Where is the "physical violence" option?
Whats the game @7:00
I definitely agree with your number 1. Last game of Space Base, I was confident I was going to win since I could see myself getting my last base. All my points were from bases except 1 die roll.
The top 3 scores were 48,48 and "You Win", on the last turn!
My favorite win condition in any game- Sid Meier's Civilization. Multiple victory conditions.4 Different types of victory (Military victory, Economic, Technology, and Culture.) Really interesting and thematic to the different types of growth in a civilization.
I'll echo the comments about the fun of Shoot The Moon victories. In some ways its similar to number 10, hidden points, because it keeps the game exciting till the very end. The Star Realms expansion that added secret objectives is one of my favorites because of the chance of pulling off that surprise ending.
meet a personal goal mixed with non traditional is the best .....TI4/ecllipse plays this way...your kinda trying to win by your alien races special ability but some/most times you win by another condition
I really think you would love Mare Nostrum: Empires for many reasons, Tom. For one, it has several different ways you can win.
Love the “War Games” win in Twilight Struggle. Arguably fits Tom’s #1, also one of my favorite movies 😀
Marvel Legendary has a few "Thematic" non traditional win conditions. Always go out of my way to try and do them, but haven't yet....
The endgame and player involvement in Root would greatly benefit from adding (some form of) hidden points. I think is a no brainer expansion.
Funny, your number one is also my number 1. With Star Realms, ever since they added the Missions to it, I always want to add missions to the game. I love the alternate win option.
Survive doesn’t have to be cooperative. You have the game Survive :)
Winning condition is who survives with more men.
Mine is race to a victory point. I'm a big fan of first to accomplish x is the winner. Games feel tight, and victory comes from anywhere at anytime.
I thought this was going to be a list of the games with your favorite victory conditions, not just a run down of the types of conditions there are. I feel cheated.
Great list. Thank you for putting point salad on here, I do have fun with those.
What’s the card game showing in #5. Is that Lifeboat?
Paper money tie, the thing you hate the most in games :D
Despises paper money in games, wears a paper money tie.
He likes survive but he does not like ITYOTD. Odd.
Could you write in english, please? Damn...
@@thecuriousbox9843 guessing "In The Year of the Dragon"
I like the fact that you gave an example or two of each of the victory conditions. In fact, even better would be your top 3 of each of them! Good topic.
Most Victory Points. That's it.
Would you count a co-op game where if one player is eliminated, the game is over as a player elimination game?
Nope.