The A models should have been added along time ago. But knowing Gaijin they probably will add them as a premium, squadron, event or maybe even battlepass for the A models.
Bruh they literally gave British tree a South African Gripen C with HMD when Gripen came out while Sweden got Gripen A without HMD before add the HMD to the A after Swede main complain about it.
15:07 For all those none aviation enthusiasts don't know what AIM-174 is, it is basically an SM-6(RIM-174) long-range anti-air/anti-ballistic(terminal stage only)/anti-ship/surface to surface missile for ships turned into SUPER long-range air to air missile. The only difference between the original and the AIM-174 is that it got rid of the rocket booster it uses to burst out of Vertical Launch Systems(VLS) from ships or stationary SAM sites.
@@TheDoubleace191 Wouldnt supersonic be more accurate, as I understand Hypersonics go mach 5+ while supersonic is lower. The SM-6 is said to go around 3.5 mach.
It angers me so much how many variants or whole plane models have been skipped since we reached the first supersonic jets. The American tech tree has like 8 different Mustangs but only one F-100, 4 Phantoms and still no regular tech tree version of the A-6, and at this point skipping the early F/A-18s is just dumb. We'll probably jump straight to a modernised mid-2000s F/A-18C with AMRAAMs, targeting pods, JDAMs... The Hornet had been in service for 20 years by then
@@adrianstachowski9422 basically half of the century series fighters are missing or under-represented. The only one which wouldn't really have a place in game would be the F-102 tbh
Only players interested in mil history care about the century series and its significance. The majority of those who will impulse buy want modern or famous go-fasts. That is totally why they brought the Tomcat instead.
@obsidianjane4413 well. I'm victim of impuls buying prop fighters :D Just waiting for premium late war bf109 that actually is in german tech tree (there isn't any...)
USMC has entire F/A-18D squadrons for night attack. They're designated VMFA(AW) as All Weather squadrons. They're dedicated attack squadrons, though fully capable fighters. They could add it as a Strike Fighter alongside the F/A-18C as a Jet Fighter, similar to F-16D/F-16C in the Israeli tree.
The swiss hornets lack the necessary software to fire air to ground munitions, and were specifcally ordered like that. Supposedly a software update could enable that, but for now it's impossible to use any air to ground munition on them IRL.
1:24 F/A-18A was intended to replace mainly F-4N/J of Navy and USMC inventory since 1978 but there were not enough F/A-18s produced to replace all F-4s some F-4Js left behind refurbished to be F-4S.
@@Zx17OPv57i to be honest the typhoon trance 1 isn't as powerful and it's only relegated to air to air ordinance, the gen 2 changes to let it do cas and the typhoon becomes a real menace from gen 3 onward
I think the reason so many people get outraged by the idea of the f18 is because they think of the superhornet, when the normal one is something closer to the f15 and f16, they all come out of the original defelopment program after all and are all only a handful of years apart
I think the F-18A would be a fine addition to the lower end of top tier alongside things like the base MiG29, the F16A, the F15A, etc etc. It'll have roughly the same capabilities as everything in that category.
Only it's slower than the MiG-29 and loses speed in a turn IRL just like the MiG-29 in the game. As a SU-main (not really, I've had several aviation trees topped over the years of addiction, but for the sake of discourse I'll be considered as such), I fully welcome the introduction of the F/A-18. Either Snail will have to fix the aerodynamics calculation for lifting-body aircraft, which will greatly improve the situation of Soviet Gen4 fighters, or the Hornet will come out broken, and we'll have ultimate whine stopper about the russian bias.
@Scorchluck you just had to remind me how they massacred my boy... I really hope they fix the Russian airbrak... I mean airplanes when this comes out. But let's be honest, if it comes out with the flight performance similar to a SU-27 there will be American mains screaming and crying Russian bias. The worst part is that it'll probably work since they always get their way (looking at you 12.3 F-15) while Russia gets shafted again
I wouldn't expect to see the AIM-260 or AIM-174 in WT for a while..... I also expect to see the C Hornet under the AV-8B Plus in the attacker tree, while the E model will replace the Tomcat in Line 2. That then leaves spots under the 16C and 15C MSIP for the F-35A and F-22A, Respectively. And the Bomber tree ends in Streagle.
Personally, I think the legacy hornets should be after the AV8B or before it, depending on the variant. For the vast majority of thier career they flew alongside the Tomcat, when the F-14D was upgrades were canned and the Tomcat airframes were starting to be destroyed is only when the Hornet is pushed into the air supority role with the Super Hornet.
If Gaijin ever decided to add all variants (A, A+, C, E), i think the placement & BR on US Tree would be like this: - F-18A, 12.7, Placed before AV-8B+, Because of the Air-to-Ground focus that you mentioned, i think it'll be fitting to put it on the Attacker line, plus the 12.7 BR is similar to the F-16A, which also only carries AIM-7 & Modern A-G Ordnance - F-18A+, 13.3, Placed after AV-8B+, Similar capabilities to the AV-8B+, will be 0.3BR higher than F-14B because it could carry AIM-120 & Modern A-G Ordnance, however due to (relatively) poor flight performance, it's 0.3BR lower than F-16C - F-18C, 13.7, Placed after F-14B, Not much to be explained, the mainstream US fighter alongside F-16C & F-15C so it'll be at the same BR as them - F-18E, 13.7+, Placed after F-18C, This will be at the same BR as F-15E (Also 13.7+ BR implying Gaijin should raise the BR again, so it could be at 14.0 in the future)
@theironwolf1871 yep logically it's suppose to be before F-18C, after F-14B, but... comparing between F-14D and F-18C, these 2 have different roles and F-14D might be far better on A-A roles than the Hornet so it's possible to put it after the Hornet, not before it
One note, the F/A-18D could make it's way into the game through the Malaysian Air Force, possibly under the Japanese tree. They use the jets for night attack and it could offer a non F-15 top tier and some ground strike capability to the Japanese tree which it lacks right now.
@@Super_Bug There's multiple aircraft I can see, the F-2 is definitely coming to the tree one day. But they can do two options here, they can do the Malay F/A-18 or the Indonesian Rafale.
Fun fact: my first introduction to the F/A-18 Hornet was from Area 88 Act III: Burning Mirage. Only likely 2-3 were shown: two during the opening (both of which died to an R-23 fired by a Mig-21), one during the Ravine Raid (which ultimately died by crashing into a rock, which I think 3 other planes crashed into lmao), and possibly one during the final dogfight (which is presumed destroyed by a hoard of over 100 Mig-21s, just like the Skyhawks, Kfirs, Freedom Fighters, Phantoms, and so forth of Area 88's mercenaries). It is my third favorite plane, and I would genuinely kill to see both the F/A-18A (and yes I prefer that to the A+, Cs, and Es) and A-4M Late Skyhawk II. Also, I think the F/A-18A/B could only ever have 60 CMs, due to only having one dispenser mounted to each intake. The Cs and Ds have 2 per intake.
@@Tigershark_3082 I may have missed that, I knew the dispenser changed but the source I had read on it still said 120 for the ALE-39 (C had ALE-47). If so... whoops! 😅
Being the old player that I am, seeing the game go from the original Zero vs Hellcats, Jugs and Mustangs to now F15Es vs Su34s is just fantastic, many thought the game would never even have any sort of thing after Korean war stuff, and look at WT now... I really hope the F18 is coming next, though is a plane I didn't liked as a kid, now I apreciate the jet, is one I'm actually hyped for and I think it does fit the current meta of the game. The A model would fit just fine, but I can see it as a premium, or maybe Gaijin will add the A and a C variant, but keep the D or even the G as a premium eventually, considering that we just got the first Fox 3 premium, I bet we will get at least another 2 next update, and the F18 and Su33 are good candidates for it.
The F/A 18 is so comically overdue at this point and it’s going to be so bad that even despite finally getting it everyone is going to be disappointed.
I hope they add the base A models with the sparrows and then the C models with amraams. They could even add the A+ as a premium or squad vehicle and I wouldn't complain
The Super Hornet was a completely different plane that was substantially bigger, redesigned intakes to semi recessed to slightly hide turbines, and vastly different avionics.
Did you miss the part where I said it's so massively changed that it may as well be a different plane, and the only reason it has the F-18 designation at all was for procurement? Or are you just upset that I included the super hornet in a hornet video?
since eurofighter was mentioned and also cas capabilitys in germany ... the eurofighter trench 1 that will be the one implemented is actually an A/A only jet without IRST seach sensor and fairly limited capabilitys systems wise so i hope everybody keeps that in minde... the trench 3+ will be incredible even borderline op due to the amount of missiles the speed and the radar it has together with still having an multirole setup
But so are the flankers - in WT though, the flankers can’t do shit, and they’re busses as opposed to UFOs like the Hornets & Flankers in DCS. I’d like to see the SU-27 and Hornets be UFOs in terms of their turning ability tho, would be a nice trade off for the speed bleed.
@@themonkeyspaw7359brother in Christ, no jets can pull 16-18Gs, and saying that F-16s, arguably the best two circle fighter in the world which has relatively poor one circle capabilities, should be able to out-turn Flankers, one of the best one-circle fighters in the world, is PEAK cope
@@mikeyplayzwrldidk brother I don’t think gaijin is real life either, with missile diamonds & 16G turns. Seems like both are video games and should strive for a bit of balance mixed with IRL abilities.
@@whisperingforest9909 in BVR, the f15E will still have about 500 mph over their top speed, so that will still remain the same unless they add newer missile besides mica and aim-120
The f18c will be better at closer ranges than bvr, even tho it has the aim120 it isn’t the fastest, but it’ll be insane in that medium to closer ranges because of its amount of missiles, and its flight performance, now it does accelerate pretty fast at lower speeds, from like 0-300mph ias it’ll feel like an f16 but then it starts to slow down after that, reaches about Mach 1.1 on the deck, it will struggle a tad bit in bvr because it bleeds speed faster, and it’s harder to get it back up, BUT it does get the aim120 and gets 10 of them, it’ll be an insane dog fighter pulling a huge amount of aoa as we see in dcs and irl, so my guess is it’s gonna have a cracked flight model like a ufo in a dogfight, but it’ll struggle in bvr a bit, it’ll also be super good in CAS with a similar loudout to the f16c but with more paveways, but it’ll still be good in bvr mainly because of the amraam, the amraam outranges about everything in game so it’s bvr capabilities will still be super good, just not on par with the f16c and f15c/e
Based on weight information I could find and my math with 75% fuel 10x AMRAAMs and 2 AIM-9Ms the F/A-18C has a TWR of roughly .98, with full fuel and same loadout roughly .94 TWR so it may not be so bad but it all depends on how they handle its energy loss
I imagine the f18C would go after the tomcat and the F18D would be the one to go in the attacker line (since it technically replaced the skyraiders/Skyhawks lol)
The super hornet can pull insane aoa, combined with higher drag it does bleed a lot of speed but if you don't pull high aoa carries a lot of speed though turns. The legacy hornet can do the same albeit with weaker engines.
Nah bro The F-18A should not be skiped, we should have a BR Braket for 4th Gen aircraft with Fox 1s that doesnt touch fox 3s BRs, so F18A, F16ADF, Su27 etc, then add the F/A-18C with Fox 3 at higher BR!
With the way the leaks are going right now, I wouldn't be surprised if super hornet shows up.... But it's just a leak list ig, doesn't mean anything will come.
Worth noting that the Finnish F/A-18s don’t use LGBs. They only us JDAMs - verified by Finnish Air Force munitions loader (not me but a friend) Update: while they do use LJDAMs, they don’t have Tpods so the bombs are guided in by ground forces
@ in my opinion, it’s one thing to give an aircraft a version of a middle it never had, like giving the Swiss hornet the Aim-9L/M. It’s another thing to give them a whole suite of capabilities it never had as a Tpod would. At current standing, their air to surface weapons employment for bombing is all through the aircraft itself. In my opinion, giving it a Tpod is unrealistic enough where that would probably cross their line. They did also talk about ground landing for LGBs at one point I think, so that might still be an option. Just my opinions though
I dont think people realize how much worse the hornet is compared to the F16/F15 for air to air, missiles depend on speed for BVR and both the hornet and superhornet are allergic to speed with huge amounts of drag. Great for ground, a straight downgrade for air to air. Theres a reason the only situations the hornet is used is where runway limitations restrict the use of anything else.
if gaijin gives it a proper flight model and its not being nerfed into the ground like the mig 29 and su 27 im gonna be hella mad. either cripple them all or have them all be good, dont pick and choose
@@michaels9739They did dare and got pushback multiple times like with the f16 fly by wire that limited the amount of gs no other plane had, it was bullshit. It's not US players fault other nations get gimped and don't advocate hard enough which is what this actually boils down to.
4:37 Hornet in Top Gun Maverick were Super Hornets. 12:09 There are photos of Swiss Hornets with the dual rack carrying 10 AMRAAM. 16:19 You missed the EA-18G Growler which Australia also uses.
Yeah, I'm aware, but Gaijin doesn't care. The F-5C has a MiG-28 skin ingame despite being the wrong variant. Yes, there are swiss F-18s with the double racks as well, I said that would be a UNIQUE option for them if they decided to do so. I didn't think I needed to specify that it still maintained the normal F-18C feature... I didn't cover the Growler since we don't have EW and maybe never will.
I get the feeling this is going to be way worse flight model wise than the Flanker, and is going to pull so hard it is constantly trying to fall out of the sky like JF-17 does.
i think it wood be posible for germany go get the F 18 C as a Fighter with no Bombs under the MiG 29G, and a F/A 18 D after the Tornado with CAS ordinants.
@@GeneralLee2000 same, i mean the only issue is the difference in missiles, CF-188 gets 9x instead of asraam and CRV-7 wheras aussie has ASRAAM and regular hydra and i can tell you which one sounds more british to me plus the aussies have generally gone and done a lot of the same choices as the british aviation wise
bro, i feel bad for the f18E because it was built solely for aim174 bvr fights but the f15ex will outshine it so bad it isn't even funny Mach 2.8 f15EX can carry 4 174 and 6 aim120 this i think is the end of f18 legacy
@ fair, I’ve been looking and the only thing that says it can carry air to ground weapons is the wiki(which ofc I don’t trust) but I did however, see multiple photos of the Swiss f18 with the double racks for AMRAAMs. The biggest thing I see is that most places when discussing the Swiss f/fa? 18s is that they still refer to them as f/a 18s not just f18
They have not. The only upgrade even slightly related to A2G their F-18s have received is TGPs, but thy are to improve their intercept mission, same as every other 4/4.5th gen fighter that is getting passivee sensors
High energy bleed means good high AoA capability. and when you are high speed (450knots) its not that high bleed rate. F/A-18C will be good 1circle and 2circle fighter. but I think not stronger than EF-2000 and rafale
The A models should have been added along time ago. But knowing Gaijin they probably will add them as a premium, squadron, event or maybe even battlepass for the A models.
Niet comrad, you get April fools f18 only
Knowing gaijin they absolutely will not give Britain the Australian hornet as it has a better weapon kit which they would never let Britain have
Bruh they literally gave British tree a South African Gripen C with HMD when Gripen came out while Sweden got Gripen A without HMD before add the HMD to the A after Swede main complain about it.
britain will get an eurofighter so no need
@@linkist6599Nahh we need that, i dont wanna grind USA again for the hornet
Britain won’t need an f-18 if they’re getting a eurofighter
PLEASE GAJIIN IM BEGGING YOU I GAVE YOU *all* the details about ti
15:07 For all those none aviation enthusiasts don't know what AIM-174 is, it is basically an SM-6(RIM-174) long-range anti-air/anti-ballistic(terminal stage only)/anti-ship/surface to surface missile for ships turned into SUPER long-range air to air missile. The only difference between the original and the AIM-174 is that it got rid of the rocket booster it uses to burst out of Vertical Launch Systems(VLS) from ships or stationary SAM sites.
The aim-174 is the "standard" or hypersonic version of the sm-6?
@@CChiefmk3 As far as I know, all SM-6 variants are hypersonic
@@TheDoubleace191
Wouldnt supersonic be more accurate, as I understand Hypersonics go mach 5+ while supersonic is lower. The SM-6 is said to go around 3.5 mach.
@@Atom_X.yeah
RTX actually has the capabilities of adding the booster back for even more range
It angers me so much how many variants or whole plane models have been skipped since we reached the first supersonic jets. The American tech tree has like 8 different Mustangs but only one F-100, 4 Phantoms and still no regular tech tree version of the A-6, and at this point skipping the early F/A-18s is just dumb.
We'll probably jump straight to a modernised mid-2000s F/A-18C with AMRAAMs, targeting pods, JDAMs... The Hornet had been in service for 20 years by then
I'm still waiting for F106 and P47H. Also F101
@@adrianstachowski9422 basically half of the century series fighters are missing or under-represented. The only one which wouldn't really have a place in game would be the F-102 tbh
Only players interested in mil history care about the century series and its significance. The majority of those who will impulse buy want modern or famous go-fasts. That is totally why they brought the Tomcat instead.
@obsidianjane4413 well. I'm victim of impuls buying prop fighters :D Just waiting for premium late war bf109 that actually is in german tech tree (there isn't any...)
USMC has entire F/A-18D squadrons for night attack. They're designated VMFA(AW) as All Weather squadrons. They're dedicated attack squadrons, though fully capable fighters. They could add it as a Strike Fighter alongside the F/A-18C as a Jet Fighter, similar to F-16D/F-16C in the Israeli tree.
I think we know what the premium will be next year then….
The Navy putting a SM-6 on a super hornet for A2A is just hilarious to me.
Same here. They weren't enough with expanding the capability of the base SM-6 already LOL
@@ckingc05 It's peak
Well I think they're going for it to be the anti everything it is in ships, just air launched
AIM-260 is in no hurry to even show up in the photos, and the Russians and Chinese have already adopted the R-37M and PL-15. They have to improvise.
The swiss hornets lack the necessary software to fire air to ground munitions, and were specifcally ordered like that. Supposedly a software update could enable that, but for now it's impossible to use any air to ground munition on them IRL.
1:24 F/A-18A was intended to replace mainly F-4N/J of Navy and USMC inventory since 1978 but there were not enough F/A-18s produced to replace all F-4s some F-4Js left behind refurbished to be F-4S.
The only thing we can expect from the f18 is to get clapped by typhoons and rafales
Preach
i dont really understand how f-18 can deal with those two monsters
@@Zx17OPv57i to be honest the typhoon trance 1 isn't as powerful and it's only relegated to air to air ordinance, the gen 2 changes to let it do cas and the typhoon becomes a real menace from gen 3 onward
I too believe in F-15 supremacy
@@EdgeR2 FAX my brother
I think the reason so many people get outraged by the idea of the f18 is because they think of the superhornet, when the normal one is something closer to the f15 and f16, they all come out of the original defelopment program after all and are all only a handful of years apart
I think the F-18A would be a fine addition to the lower end of top tier alongside things like the base MiG29, the F16A, the F15A, etc etc. It'll have roughly the same capabilities as everything in that category.
Only it's slower than the MiG-29 and loses speed in a turn IRL just like the MiG-29 in the game. As a SU-main (not really, I've had several aviation trees topped over the years of addiction, but for the sake of discourse I'll be considered as such), I fully welcome the introduction of the F/A-18. Either Snail will have to fix the aerodynamics calculation for lifting-body aircraft, which will greatly improve the situation of Soviet Gen4 fighters, or the Hornet will come out broken, and we'll have ultimate whine stopper about the russian bias.
@Scorchluck you just had to remind me how they massacred my boy... I really hope they fix the Russian airbrak... I mean airplanes when this comes out. But let's be honest, if it comes out with the flight performance similar to a SU-27 there will be American mains screaming and crying Russian bias. The worst part is that it'll probably work since they always get their way (looking at you 12.3 F-15) while Russia gets shafted again
@@jcool42069F-15 at 12.3 !??? Fseee that’d be lovely …
TLDR: F-15E would remain the best.
No mig21 best (even better then the swordfish)
I wouldn't expect to see the AIM-260 or AIM-174 in WT for a while.....
I also expect to see the C Hornet under the AV-8B Plus in the attacker tree, while the E model will replace the Tomcat in Line 2.
That then leaves spots under the 16C and 15C MSIP for the F-35A and F-22A, Respectively. And the Bomber tree ends in Streagle.
I recognize that riff anywhere.
Good tastes in music mate.
“high aoa, high speed bleed and lots of missiles” hinting at the su27 made me laugh😂😂 SURELY gaijin model this jet correctly right🤔
Personally, I think the legacy hornets should be after the AV8B or before it, depending on the variant. For the vast majority of thier career they flew alongside the Tomcat, when the F-14D was upgrades were canned and the Tomcat airframes were starting to be destroyed is only when the Hornet is pushed into the air supority role with the Super Hornet.
Make it a flanker. Eurofighter SWEEP 💪💪💪
@@Loudward__ RAAAAAAAAH
If Gaijin ever decided to add all variants (A, A+, C, E), i think the placement & BR on US Tree would be like this:
- F-18A, 12.7, Placed before AV-8B+, Because of the Air-to-Ground focus that you mentioned, i think it'll be fitting to put it on the Attacker line, plus the 12.7 BR is similar to the F-16A, which also only carries AIM-7 & Modern A-G Ordnance
- F-18A+, 13.3, Placed after AV-8B+, Similar capabilities to the AV-8B+, will be 0.3BR higher than F-14B because it could carry AIM-120 & Modern A-G Ordnance, however due to (relatively) poor flight performance, it's 0.3BR lower than F-16C
- F-18C, 13.7, Placed after F-14B, Not much to be explained, the mainstream US fighter alongside F-16C & F-15C so it'll be at the same BR as them
- F-18E, 13.7+, Placed after F-18C, This will be at the same BR as F-15E (Also 13.7+ BR implying Gaijin should raise the BR again, so it could be at 14.0 in the future)
What about the F14D super tomcat? Wouldnt that be after the F14B and before the F18C?
@theironwolf1871 yep logically it's suppose to be before F-18C, after F-14B, but... comparing between F-14D and F-18C, these 2 have different roles and F-14D might be far better on A-A roles than the Hornet so it's possible to put it after the Hornet, not before it
One note, the F/A-18D could make it's way into the game through the Malaysian Air Force, possibly under the Japanese tree. They use the jets for night attack and it could offer a non F-15 top tier and some ground strike capability to the Japanese tree which it lacks right now.
@@Super_Bug There's multiple aircraft I can see, the F-2 is definitely coming to the tree one day. But they can do two options here, they can do the Malay F/A-18 or the Indonesian Rafale.
Two years ago;
F-16A vs Mig-29 (9-12) while grinding the American tech tree
Now we’re talking about F-15’s 18’s that is just cool👍
Fun fact: my first introduction to the F/A-18 Hornet was from Area 88 Act III: Burning Mirage. Only likely 2-3 were shown: two during the opening (both of which died to an R-23 fired by a Mig-21), one during the Ravine Raid (which ultimately died by crashing into a rock, which I think 3 other planes crashed into lmao), and possibly one during the final dogfight (which is presumed destroyed by a hoard of over 100 Mig-21s, just like the Skyhawks, Kfirs, Freedom Fighters, Phantoms, and so forth of Area 88's mercenaries).
It is my third favorite plane, and I would genuinely kill to see both the F/A-18A (and yes I prefer that to the A+, Cs, and Es) and A-4M Late Skyhawk II.
Also, I think the F/A-18A/B could only ever have 60 CMs, due to only having one dispenser mounted to each intake. The Cs and Ds have 2 per intake.
@@Tigershark_3082 I may have missed that, I knew the dispenser changed but the source I had read on it still said 120 for the ALE-39 (C had ALE-47). If so... whoops! 😅
@@GeneralLee2000 'Tis all good, CMs systems are just confusing in general
Being the old player that I am, seeing the game go from the original Zero vs Hellcats, Jugs and Mustangs to now F15Es vs Su34s is just fantastic, many thought the game would never even have any sort of thing after Korean war stuff, and look at WT now... I really hope the F18 is coming next, though is a plane I didn't liked as a kid, now I apreciate the jet, is one I'm actually hyped for and I think it does fit the current meta of the game. The A model would fit just fine, but I can see it as a premium, or maybe Gaijin will add the A and a C variant, but keep the D or even the G as a premium eventually, considering that we just got the first Fox 3 premium, I bet we will get at least another 2 next update, and the F18 and Su33 are good candidates for it.
@@sirbowserfelix9293 if you told me when I first started that I would be making a video talking about the F-18 coming, I would have called you crazy
What premium carries fox 3s ?
@@ChrisR36 The new Viggen DI premium
The F/A 18 is so comically overdue at this point and it’s going to be so bad that even despite finally getting it everyone is going to be disappointed.
10 amraams sure sounds good tho
@@linkist6599 12*
@@linkist6599 It's Subsonic lmaoooo
I hope they add the base A models with the sparrows and then the C models with amraams. They could even add the A+ as a premium or squad vehicle and I wouldn't complain
4:40 eagle mentioned
here's hoping the hornets actually come this update
The Super Hornet was a completely different plane that was substantially bigger, redesigned intakes to semi recessed to slightly hide turbines, and vastly different avionics.
Did you miss the part where I said it's so massively changed that it may as well be a different plane, and the only reason it has the F-18 designation at all was for procurement? Or are you just upset that I included the super hornet in a hornet video?
@@GeneralLee2000 i mean they did literally keep parts of the hornet on but its a hell of a lot more similar than the F-5 to the F-17
I just love the part where they tricked congress to get the super hornet.
since eurofighter was mentioned and also cas capabilitys in germany ... the eurofighter trench 1 that will be the one implemented is actually an A/A only jet without IRST seach sensor and fairly limited capabilitys systems wise so i hope everybody keeps that in minde... the trench 3+ will be incredible even borderline op due to the amount of missiles the speed and the radar it has together with still having an multirole setup
The Hornet in DCS is absolutely cracked though.... I hope they go that way
But so are the flankers - in WT though, the flankers can’t do shit, and they’re busses as opposed to UFOs like the Hornets & Flankers in DCS.
I’d like to see the SU-27 and Hornets be UFOs in terms of their turning ability tho, would be a nice trade off for the speed bleed.
Because it's overtuned in DCS. DCS isn't real life
Gaijin makes planes more realistic than DCS. Its kinda sad that Gaijin cares more lmao
@@themonkeyspaw7359brother in Christ, no jets can pull 16-18Gs, and saying that F-16s, arguably the best two circle fighter in the world which has relatively poor one circle capabilities, should be able to out-turn Flankers, one of the best one-circle fighters in the world, is PEAK cope
@@mikeyplayzwrldidk brother I don’t think gaijin is real life either, with missile diamonds & 16G turns. Seems like both are video games and should strive for a bit of balance mixed with IRL abilities.
F-15 Eagle Supremacy
Against American jets absoloutely
Real
my guess, single seat on F-14 line and twin seat on attacker line, possibly harrier since both are carrier based aircraft
You forgot to mention that F-18s would be perfect for suicide attacks on alien spaceships(Independence Day,ofc) :p
Seems like the F-15E wasn't enough...
F18 would be worse than the E, though it would probably be a better dog fighter
@@marshall-yo5hoplus the euro and rafale will be a counter
@@whisperingforest9909 in BVR, the f15E will still have about 500 mph over their top speed, so that will still remain the same unless they add newer missile besides mica and aim-120
@@marshall-yo5ho the Hornet should be a vastly superior dogfighter over the Strike Eagle. The only place it should be weaker is BVR
@@Severe_WX F-15E will be better anyways lol
The f18c will be better at closer ranges than bvr, even tho it has the aim120 it isn’t the fastest, but it’ll be insane in that medium to closer ranges because of its amount of missiles, and its flight performance, now it does accelerate pretty fast at lower speeds, from like 0-300mph ias it’ll feel like an f16 but then it starts to slow down after that, reaches about Mach 1.1 on the deck, it will struggle a tad bit in bvr because it bleeds speed faster, and it’s harder to get it back up, BUT it does get the aim120 and gets 10 of them, it’ll be an insane dog fighter pulling a huge amount of aoa as we see in dcs and irl, so my guess is it’s gonna have a cracked flight model like a ufo in a dogfight, but it’ll struggle in bvr a bit, it’ll also be super good in CAS with a similar loudout to the f16c but with more paveways, but it’ll still be good in bvr mainly because of the amraam, the amraam outranges about everything in game so it’s bvr capabilities will still be super good, just not on par with the f16c and f15c/e
Based on weight information I could find and my math with 75% fuel 10x AMRAAMs and 2 AIM-9Ms the F/A-18C has a TWR of roughly .98, with full fuel and same loadout roughly .94 TWR so it may not be so bad but it all depends on how they handle its energy loss
If Italy gets the eurofighter and the f18 we eating good
Guess homework will have to wait... again
Do ya homework, freaky ahh Kolibri
@@razvy6949 Can't resist
As a Finnish person I'd love to be able to fly the Finnish Hornet :D Also loved the topgun anthem background music!!
@@elgadz haha, I think you're the first person to mention the music 🤣
I imagine the f18C would go after the tomcat and the F18D would be the one to go in the attacker line (since it technically replaced the skyraiders/Skyhawks lol)
The super hornet can pull insane aoa, combined with higher drag it does bleed a lot of speed but if you don't pull high aoa carries a lot of speed though turns. The legacy hornet can do the same albeit with weaker engines.
F/A-18 Best plane ever made and I will not take any arguments.
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@GeneralLee2000 and speaking nothing but fax 📠📠📠📠
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finally, another installment of my favourite series
@@kizvy I'm glad you like!
F16 Block 70/72 that could carry 8 missiles would be super cool. Looking forward to this though.
Nah bro The F-18A should not be skiped, we should have a BR Braket for 4th Gen aircraft with Fox 1s that doesnt touch fox 3s BRs, so F18A, F16ADF, Su27 etc, then add the F/A-18C with Fox 3 at higher BR!
With the way the leaks are going right now, I wouldn't be surprised if super hornet shows up.... But it's just a leak list ig, doesn't mean anything will come.
CF-188 will go in the American Tree and the Australian hornet will be in the UK tree.
Ngl i thought this was a war thunder post from the thumb. I got hype.
Considering the jets the f18 will come with skipping to the super hornet wouldn't be surprising
Both the F-18 AND the eurofighter? I'ven't played wart hunder in half a year but i feel it calling to me..
Hold your horses, not guaranteed yet lol
I’m fine with F18 being mid on arrival. F15C n E are literally air kings and have been for a while now, the US air tree is plenty spoiled
This was a good video covering the Fighter/Attacker-18
And I guess F-15 Eagle supremacy is cool and all but it's not exactly my favorite
Worth noting that the Finnish F/A-18s don’t use LGBs. They only us JDAMs
- verified by Finnish Air Force munitions loader (not me but a friend)
Update: while they do use LJDAMs, they don’t have Tpods so the bombs are guided in by ground forces
@@eaglepnw well they could get laser JDAMs then potentially 😁
@ just checked and he confirmed yes, they do use LJDAMs, however they don’t have Tpods and the bombs are guided by ground forces.
@@eaglepnw Makes sense. Gaijin could always just give it the pod anyways, we'll have to see what they do.
@ in my opinion, it’s one thing to give an aircraft a version of a middle it never had, like giving the Swiss hornet the Aim-9L/M. It’s another thing to give them a whole suite of capabilities it never had as a Tpod would. At current standing, their air to surface weapons employment for bombing is all through the aircraft itself. In my opinion, giving it a Tpod is unrealistic enough where that would probably cross their line.
They did also talk about ground landing for LGBs at one point I think, so that might still be an option.
Just my opinions though
So Sweden is probably going to get F-18 via finnish sub-tree? I like that.
Imagine italy with spanish f18 or isarael with kuwait f18... A perfect dream
I really hope they will add maps with aircraft carriers when they add the f18.
Gaijins definitely holding off on the f18 and Mig25 ! They should've been added
how we are not at BR 20.0 right now is beyond me
I dont think people realize how much worse the hornet is compared to the F16/F15 for air to air, missiles depend on speed for BVR and both the hornet and superhornet are allergic to speed with huge amounts of drag. Great for ground, a straight downgrade for air to air. Theres a reason the only situations the hornet is used is where runway limitations restrict the use of anything else.
if gaijin gives it a proper flight model and its not being nerfed into the ground like the mig 29 and su 27 im gonna be hella mad.
either cripple them all or have them all be good, dont pick and choose
They're American planes, Gaijin wouldn't dare cripple them.
@@michaels9739They did dare and got pushback multiple times like with the f16 fly by wire that limited the amount of gs no other plane had, it was bullshit. It's not US players fault other nations get gimped and don't advocate hard enough which is what this actually boils down to.
dont tell mcxer that the hornet isnt the best dogfighter in the world and the most broken jet ever lmfao
4:37 Hornet in Top Gun Maverick were Super Hornets. 12:09 There are photos of Swiss Hornets with the dual rack carrying 10 AMRAAM.
16:19 You missed the EA-18G Growler which Australia also uses.
Yeah, I'm aware, but Gaijin doesn't care. The F-5C has a MiG-28 skin ingame despite being the wrong variant. Yes, there are swiss F-18s with the double racks as well, I said that would be a UNIQUE option for them if they decided to do so. I didn't think I needed to specify that it still maintained the normal F-18C feature... I didn't cover the Growler since we don't have EW and maybe never will.
@@GeneralLee2000 Okay, still Gaijin's F-5C behaviour shouldn't be encouraged, and pre-order skins appear to be a thing of the past anyway.
Is there any "What to expect from the Eurofighter" video coming?
dont worry about it being slow and might have bad fm. gaijin will make it overperform, if not US mains will cry cause their fav plane is not op
Lee upload is peak
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I get the feeling this is going to be way worse flight model wise than the Flanker, and is going to pull so hard it is constantly trying to fall out of the sky like JF-17 does.
Great video! Though I'd wish you'd also share the CAS loadouts in more detail, like how many of each AGM's it can carry and their range and speeds.
the cas loadouts aren't super crazy honestly, you have the 4 mavericks, some jdams, laser bombs, and agm-62s.
@@INeatFreak like he said, for most you only get 4 pylons. 6 for super hornet.
11:00 Where did you get the skin for the F-4F?
F18 SUPREMACY🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
I think you're a little confused 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Eagle emojis but F-18?
i think it wood be posible for germany go get the F 18 C as a Fighter with no Bombs under the MiG 29G, and a F/A 18 D after the Tornado with CAS ordinants.
The copypasta machine will be running overtime.
It would be real funny if we got the F-14D first before the hornet
it should be just as manurverable as the F-16. People forget that it was built to compete against the F-16
And you forget that it LOST against the F-16. The F-20 was built to compete against the F-16 too and it's worse than both of these lol
Cant wait for the 12v12 F-18's 💀
f-15 will be supreme but 10 amraams will be hilarious
Gaijin is just gonna delay adding the f18 to blue ball everyone again
Can you link the sources used next time? Thank you for making this succinct and helpful video, it is much appreciated:)
F-14 Tomcat Supremacy;)
Thats a weird way to spell Eagle
I think you meant the MCDONNELL DOUGLAS F-15 EAGLE 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
I predict a 100% chance of US mains complaining and crying until it gets artificially buffed.
What’s your opinion on the F14D getting amraams? They were successful tested on the super tomcat and I believe it would give it a place in top tier
the F/A-18C for the aussies sound more reasonable than the CF-188 considering that there are tech tree aussie aircraft in uk tree
@@spartainwarrior6445 well they don't have a C, it would be A+. I hope they go that route.
@@GeneralLee2000 same, i mean the only issue is the difference in missiles, CF-188 gets 9x instead of asraam and CRV-7 wheras aussie has ASRAAM and regular hydra and i can tell you which one sounds more british to me plus the aussies have generally gone and done a lot of the same choices as the british aviation wise
good ol F-15 supremacy
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@@emonster317 Not best plane ever but I'm glad you're so excited
It really isn't tho.
F-15 eagle supremacy, especially F-15E eagle supremacy 👌😉
bro, i feel bad for the f18E because it was built solely for aim174 bvr fights but the f15ex will outshine it so bad it isn't even funny Mach 2.8 f15EX can carry 4 174 and 6 aim120 this i think is the end of f18 legacy
11:30 the Swiss did the same thing as the Finns and added ground weapons later on in their f18s life
@@bagelmaster2498 I didn't find any evidence of that, but if true that's great!
@ fair, I’ve been looking and the only thing that says it can carry air to ground weapons is the wiki(which ofc I don’t trust) but I did however, see multiple photos of the Swiss f18 with the double racks for AMRAAMs. The biggest thing I see is that most places when discussing the Swiss f/fa? 18s is that they still refer to them as f/a 18s not just f18
They have not. The only upgrade even slightly related to A2G their F-18s have received is TGPs, but thy are to improve their intercept mission, same as every other 4/4.5th gen fighter that is getting passivee sensors
Wassup lee?
ofc i decided not to grind that line when i started
Love the topgun music
The A model should still be added. Gonna be BS if they make it an event/premium vehicle.
General Lee mentioned it it's not coming in the next major update confirmed
God if they add the CBU 97 US ground is going to be very interesting.
Something tells me the f18a is going to come as a 12.7 premium
I guess mid terms will have to wait
@@jettblack9696 was it worth it?
@GeneralLee2000 yes most definitely f-18 over school don’t need that stuff don’t need to know what a helping verb and a linking verb are same same
Could the F-14D come?
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F-15Eagle supremacy
Cant the A model 6 AIM-7 sparrows? I feel like it would be a solid 12.7 or 13.0 aircraft
bet gaijin puts the FA-18 with AMRAAMs on 13.3
High energy bleed means good high AoA capability. and when you are high speed (450knots) its not that high bleed rate.
F/A-18C will be good 1circle and 2circle fighter. but I think not stronger than EF-2000 and rafale
But people on the internet told me it would be absolutely cracked and shit on everything below F-22...
f15 eagle supremacy bois