I was groomed at the age of 14 by a 26 year old man. When everything came out, i was blamed for being flirtatious. I'm 50 years old now and its taken me most of my adult life to come to terms that this abuse was not my fault. I had no father figure in my life and my mother was wrapped in her own issues. So, the attention i received felt noce, but it turned horrific in the end... Don't blame the victim.
Wish I could hug you and im sorry that a narcissistic predatory creep did that to you! A sick user! Your Gods creation and He treasures you enough to die for! You’re his artwork & He created you to know The Living God through Jesus & to make Him known 💜 praying that bad turns for good in your life and that your testimony makes the devil’s butt clinch
People do not realize the absolute horror that a victim goes through after being molested as a kid.....but I know! One of my dad's best friends molested me at age 12...I am 70 years old now and NO ONE knows how that one incident affected my life all these years. But, it was not just that one incident; I was taken advantage of by others....as a kid your brain explodes, your emotions are crushed and you feel like a piece of trash. My mind was so twisted after those experiences that I lost total focus on life. I started to drink and then drugs, by the time I was 16 I would do anything to get a high....I was spiraling out of control. But then God intervened at age 18. I heard the Gospel and I ended up asking Jesus Christ to take me....and save me. Even though I became a Christian, I still had a very low self esteem. .....something that many victims wrestle with their entire lives! I hope all the people who helped cover up these atrocities realize how culpable they are; they need to ask forgiveness too!
i agree wholeheartedly. For me it was my Dad and i was 5years old. I’m eighty years old. The Lord helped me to forgive him after i committed my life to him in 1977. i can’t honestly say that when my Dad died i loved him.
I’m so sorry. I’m weeping reading your comment. This broken,broken world. Sometimes I think I can’t bear it anymore…….. the grief that engulfs me when I hear stories like yours and the knowledge that innocents are still being hurt every day. Lord Jesus, please come and heal us. 💔 Dry our tears and make all things new. 🙏
Thank you for sharing that. The Lord can lift us up out of all the mud mud we have been through. Stay near to Jesus. You are an overcomer. Big hug and prayer for you 🙏
I think He is also exposing the wheat from the chaff. Not just with this situation, but others lately. Notice, most of these crimes and sins are by false teachers, who teach heretical doctrine.
@@mariosangermano SA is such a pervasive problem that it isn't limited to just unbiblical doctrines. In May, 2022, the Southern Baptist Convention released a previously secret list of over 700 accused sexual abusers.
My question is if her father and mother knew why didn’t they report Robert Morris to the police and have him arrested? Don’t you feel they are just as much at fault in all of this! Shame on them for not protecting their daughter once they found out.
And why aren't her parents being interviewed now? Something doesn't feel right about this entire thing. There are pictures of them online back during that time and the cindy girl doesn't look really any younger than Debbie, and Robert looks like a 7th grader! He's 8 1/2 yrs older than her. I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING, but it sure seems like there's more to the story.
She said her parents were friends with Morris family and spendt time with them. I believe the parents choose not to see their daughters psychological, emotional and physical pain because they wanted to believe Morris was a goid guy.
@jamesfreeman2258 they just didn't call the police like they do today. I was abused in 50's my daughter was abused in 70's. Neither were reported to police.
Back in that time period,reporting something like this, was not something that was done.. I know.. that was my first question. But, it’s the same verse, Matthew 18, that was the issue.. Her Father DID protect her, and she says that..but.. people just didn’t know how to navigate.. and dare I say, Matthew 18 does NOT apply to ABUSE!!!! But, coming from the church, growing up in the Church, that is what we were taught, and we also were taught to forgive, and that people were “forgiven” if they said they got help, or asked forgiveness.. lots of Bible verses have been taken to the extreme.. wanting his Daughter, who was already walking in such shame, to not have to endure the scrutiny.. a lot of Parents still don’t report because of that.. a kid could be suicidal, and not emotionally strong enough to go before their abuser.. My cousin worked in this field.. for almost 40 years.. even in my late teens, I had NO IDEA, this stuff existed.. I get questioning her father.. and the why.. just trying to explain the mindset.. if someone else had reported, the police would have been involved.. Christians need to stop with idolizing Pastors, Christian musicians.. ugh.. and we also need to start being more aware.. and use common sense.. Church is one of the worst places for Predators, and the Internet! Just because someone says and looks amazing, is charismatic, etc.. doesn’t mean they are people of character… we need to stop assuming.. 😢
As soon as anyone at the church became aware of "this is a child", Robert Morris should have been turned over to law enforcement. This is not optional, its complicity, regardless of any intent to "restore". The restoration should have been for the victim, not the perpetrator.
ROBERT MORRIS EXCUSE WAS THAT THE 12 YO WAS A JEZEBEL! MORRIS SAYS THAT IS WHY HE INSERTED HIS FINGERS INTO A 12 YO PRIVATES! HE DIDN'T HAVE THE STRENGHT TO RESIST HER TEMPTATION! LOCK HIM UP!
Exactly!!!!! Church it's so messed up, most of the times. I heard SO MANY sexual abusers in the church, protected by the church bc fear of what "people think" if the truth get to the public...they care more of the reputation of the church than the victims and what's right 😢
Legal consequences are outlined in the Old Testament. When Christianity walked away from the Old Testament, focused only on the Gospel of John, down playing the Gospel of Matthew and thinking God is a push over they have cursed that religion. Obviously, the group that tossed Cindy under the bus inspite of statuatory rape are far more in love with their church than in love with God. Too much mercy works against Justice, something many Christians stubbornly remain blind to.
They are mandated reporters!!! Where is the reporting of the sexual abuse of a child? If the church leaders failed to comply with the law and report the sexual abuse, they need to be charged with conspiracy and face charges for child endangerment!
Instead of approaching him for money why doesn't she go.to the states attorney and file.criminal.charges? Then if he convicted she can file.civil.charges to get money from him officially.
@@MsUa125 I was physically and verbally abused by my father (he broke my wrist when I was a baby), with the last incident when I was 27 when he hit me. I ended our relationship,a and life improved, as he was unrepentant. He lived to a ripe old age of 96, and was miserable - he hated everybody and everything, but he has to face the justice of God if he has not truly repented - that will be a dreadful and fearful thing.
It bad for these men that are unrepentant before God. You would think that they know what the Bible says about unrepentant sin. And you should never be able to be a pastor again. This what happens to a man that not humble before Jesus the closer a man thinks he to God the further they become. Stay humble before the lord knowing there is a way that seems right in a man eye but the end is destruction.
Not all charismatics are bad. Be careful what you say. This issue isn't about what side you are on. I grew up in a Baptist Church, and the exact same thing happened to me. Sin is sin and needs to be addressed. We need to stop putting people on pedestals.
@@sabrinaliu66Never let people or a religion stop you from finding the right Church, and especially don't let it hinder your relationship with God. That's why God says do not put your trust in man- put your trust in the Lord.
I'm not sure if He's cleaning His bride...I think He already did, but it looks to me that He's taking care of the victims by allowing everything to come to light....I'm preety sure that the Holly Spirit was and is continually whispering to these victims for years to step up and bring these to the light...it takes years to gain the courage, and I'm sure Jesus is happy...bc HE CARES of each and every victim!
In part yes. But the true bride of Christ will be purified and cleaned through the great tribulation. What you are seeing now is God purging satanic pastors and their multitude of followers out and giving them over to their god Satan in preparation for the great falling away.
Pedophiles do not stop offending. I would bet my last dime that there are other victims. Gateway should start an investigation. The elders of Shady Grove should have turned him over to the police. This is what Rome did for centuries. They were wrong and Shady Grove was wrong
Praying God will continue to drag out the evil in all our churches and correct all of us so we can all get back in the right relationship with You through Your Son! Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
The mega church model was broken from the start. You can’t have one guy at the top “accountable” to a bunch of guys who are basically his friends and underlings, nevermind the fact that he should’ve been disqualified in his 20s when this first happened. Spreading the gospel is not a business.
I attended (and worked at) a Megachurch for many many years. Looking back over all the things I chose to overlook makes me sick to my stomach and sad. I loved the pastors. But yes, the board and pastors were thick as thieves and took away the memberships’ decision making ability. After that, I lost trust and left.
@@opekatakata1424- because this abuse happened 42 to 37 years ago… Within 3 years of the elders learning about how Robert phrased it, “an inappropriate relationship” with a young lady, they made him an Elder. They church did know that Morris was married with a child when his Clergy Sexual Grooming & Abuse took place. They definitely knew and made him an Elder!! Morris is a very persuasive speaker & gifted at getting people to tithe… if he had worked at a law firm he would’ve been called The Rainmaker.
Thank you to you both! You clearly stated it was rape and evil on every level. Robert calls it " inappropriate, moral failure " but you both stood up and called it what it is. Thank you for speaking the truth.
If she was flirtatious etc. it probably was because she wasn't getting the healthy attention a daughter needs from her father. BTY where was her dad and mom for 4 years.
@@margaretsmith4396 I strongly doubt his words. Nevertheless, a child cannot be blamed for "inviting" him as abuser anyway. He is solely responsible for the crime he committed.
Robert hurt not only the Victim & Family..& Church.. but his Own Children!! They have to live with this for the Rest of their lives!! I’m Sure this has hurt them deeply..& traumatized them!! It’s All So Heartbreaking!!!😭💔🙏🙏🙏
I blame her parents just as much as the church leadership. A neighbor raped my daughter when she was 11 years old and she told no one for years!! When she was in her early twenties, she was drunk and it spilled out. Just listening to this brings back all that anger that I felt when I found out what happened to my daughter. The Lord commands us to forgive and as Christians we have to. BUT forgiveness does not take the place of punishment. When I was a child and I disobeyed my parents they forgave me but I still had to face the consequences. When David committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband God forgave him and he was still considered a man after God's own heart. BUT God punished David by taking his baby. My point is the parents should have gone to the police whether the church liked it or not. Not only did their daughter deserve justice, but also to protect other children. If you let a child get away with something once, sometimes they are extremely grateful and never commit that wrong again. But sometimes they will do the wrong again because they got away with it the first time. Adults can be the same way. So it begs the question - how many others have been harmed by this man that no one knows about???
HER PARENTS LOVED THEIR CHURCH AND TOOK IN PASTOR MORRIS AND HIS WIFE! WHO COULD EVEN IMAGINE HE WOULD BE PENETRATING THEIR 12 YO DAUGHTER WITH HIS FINGERS! WHEN THE GIRL TOLD HER PARENTS 4 YEARS LATER THEY WENT TO THE CHURCH AND TOLD WHAT HAPPENED! PASTOR MORRIS SAID THE 12 YO WAS A JEZEBEL!
So you also know that as a parent (just like Cindy's parents who learned about this after 5 years and complained to their church to remove Mr. Morris or report him to authorities; the church let him undergo a 2-yr. retraining) that your child may not tell you what had happened to them until years after - it isn't easy for a child to understand this.
So correct. As a elementary age girl, I am personally experienced with the fear. As a 20 yr. old, I was raped at gun point. Thanks to God, the gun didn't fire when he pulled the trigger twice. Please don't delay in getting judicial and emotional help. God's believers are available.
Thank you for not normalizing child predators and other sins within the Church!! My heart goes out to the victim! Glad she's speaking out so this wont happen again!!
@elisamolia9909 Sadly, it will happen again, but not to Cindy and, hopefully, not at Gateway Church. Furthermore, I hope that other churches see in this case a blueprint of how NOT to act in cases such as these.
@@DianeJarvis-f1o James 2:13 King James Version 13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
It’s been reported that Morris wife told Cindy that she forgave her! Can you imagine an innocent child being told she’s forgiven, can you imagine the confusion! Complicent times 1000,
@@IMOO1896 I read that about Morris's wife as well. The abuse of Cindy Cleminshire by the adults in her life is an abomination. Also, I will never understand why her parents didn't report this crime to the police.
I’m saddened and shocked I looked up to Robert Morris I prayed for the victim as well as Robert and now my prayer is for the congregation to find peace in all this truth being exposed and give them discernment on what they hear 🙏
I sympathize with the victim and pray she will find healing through forgiveness in her heart. God commands us to forgive as He forgives us! If we do not, He will not forgive us. This situation occurred 40 years ago. I understand Robert Morris admitted his wrong and asked forgiveness from her and her father in their presence. He repeated and admitted to his elders and the church of his infidelity. True he did not reveal her age. In his sermons he has shared his struggles in different areas and how God helped him overcome them. Every profound figure in the Bible had sins. God still used them. I also look at the enormous growth in his church even several campuses. I believe this is God's blessing through Robert Morris. My question is this, who has secrets of their own? God does not distinquish levels of sin. If you break one you break them all. Jesus said "He who is without sin throw the first stone." And asked the prostitute where are her accusers. Her reply was there are none. His reply was, "NEITHER DO I CONDEMN YOU." If we repent and ask forgiveness God will forgive us and will remember them no more. Why did this woman, after 40 years, come and ask for money ? She was attempting to bribe him by revealing this abuse if he did not pay. Is this right?
Praying about all of this. God knows the whole truth. I do not have the Right to judge. I have the Right to Pray. Praying For Pastor Robert, his family and all involved. Jesus.@@carolynbohannon4602
I need help. I was molested as a virgin at 15 by a man who befriended me and my family and exploited my love of horses. I was in my 50s when I came to a devastating understanding that my parents had been “selling” me to this man. While I reported this to local police in painstaking detail they did nothing and my home state of California police did nothing claiming it was past the statute of limitations. I feel that no one has ever stood up for me or truth my entire life and my predator has victimized young women for over 40 years and currently has a very young Philippine woman in his possession today! I want him to be held accountable before he dies. Please help me find truth and Justice.
@thewordrappergma7713actually that’s not true, the woman who Robert Morris victimized has passed the statute of Limitations. That is why he’s not able to be charged criminally anymore. However the statute of limitations doesn’t apply for civil lawsuits which is what she is currently pursuing. She is in her 50’s now and can’t pursue criminal charges unfortunately. “For child sexual abuse victims in Texas, the statute of limitations is 30 years and does not begin to toll until the victim turns 18. In other words, the victim can file a lawsuit until they turn 48.”
He will be held accountable. There may be nothing you can do criminally but God will have justice in this matter. You could also sue him in civil court.
@@Papaspronator I believe that you are partially correct, but I believe that the statute of limitations for civil suit has expired as well. The statute of limitations for criminal charges was different in the 1980s - it was a much shorter period of time - so it has expired. They have since changed the law and now there is no limitation for continuous Child.SA to my understanding.
Contact the Justine Peters Ministry and ask them to guide you. Apparently, they seem to care about this type of horrendous sin and how it must be addressed.
As the parent of a son who was the victim of sexual abuse by a pastor/evangelist at age 12, this hits home HARD for me, and I am completely sickened. My son’s abuser is now in prison. Robert Morris should also serve time for his crimes. And James Robison also needs to step down from his “ministry”. I am curious to see if we will see any statements from Glenn Beck, Kari Jobe, and other prominent figures who are tied to Morris and Gateway.
@@RobertGareau-z2bJames Robison hired Morris to work for him after Morris stepped down for a month & then took a job as a security guard. He hated the mundane security guard job. Robison gave Morris the title of evangelist & knew what Morris did. I think Robison was part of the Shady Grove Church leadership. Not sure on the exact details.
I applaud this man for his honesty and righteous anger over what moral failure and lack of accountability was done at the hand of a sick man who went on far too long without consequences!
Let’s say she was flirtatious.. SHE IS STILL 12! 12 year olds have crushes for crying out loud but the responsibility is still entirely his because he was an adult. This is just so sick. And this is the danger of churches acting more like businesses and frankly, like “boys clubs”.
She knew nothing of sex at the time. He asked her to come to his room later bc he "wanted to talk to her." She was groomed from there on. He completely lied about her being "flirtatious" when he was the one at fault. Disgusting.
An adult ?!!! He was married at 19!!!! so an adult is 19 years old, are you living in America? Before you leave a comment or even watch the clips the dude said that he was 19 maybe your ears need to be cleaned. Also, do you even read the Bible? Do you even comment all the good things that Pastor Robert has done? Oh yes, and you’re so perfect. Let the person who don’t sin cast the first stone.
I have so much respect for the pastor you are interviewing! Thank you for representing the righteous anger a true Christian man should have over predatory sexual abuse. It’s a representation of Christ’s heart.
I definitely appreciate his honesty but I don't like that he called Todd White low-hanging fruit and a heretic and every other woman who spread the gospel by preaching. He sounds a bit legalistic in his views.
Thank you Steve and Justin in taking a stand for righteousness by exposing this wicked deceiver. As a counselor, I’ve worked with many women who were sexually abused as children. Because of the intimacy God designed for sexuality, abuse creates a shameful, soul wound that is very difficult to heal. The scars remain tender. I’m praying for Cindy. She’s a brave woman who has finally been heard. May God comfort her heart and strengthen her in all ways.
Amen, I also work as a counsellor and have witnessed the brokenness of women who were abused as children. They had no voice, no choice and I guess like you, it is our privilege to lead them through their brokenness to find that voice and for some, to find comfort in the Lord. May God bless us all who are working with broken people, that we are safe houses for those who struggle with trauma that has been ignored or pushed aside so that they can move forward and find some kind of resolution.
I worry that actions such as these coming from pastors or church leaders throws the victims in the opposite direction from Christianity. I pray they all find their way to Jesus and salvation.
@@molossergirl2 I thank God for people such as you and the other counsellor above for the emotionally wrenching job that you do. May God bless you both richly.
@@christalone0188 I agree; in this case, though, she has gone on with the Lord and is doing her best to draw attention to this sort of abuse which takes place in churches. She is a very courageous and Godly woman. No thanks to her perpetrator or her church, which should have both protected her and other young girls/women in the church, and seen to it that justice was done.
We do not have enough duely trained victim's advocates, counselors or support groups to cover the numbers of victims and survivors who need services. Be careful, not all counselors are equal. Christian counselors are biased and often approach victims with the hidden agenda of the denomination they represent. My advice is to seek out a neutral, third party outside the church. Contact your local family crisis center, guardian ad litem office, or even most police departments have a sex crimes victim's advocate on staff.
All truth will come to light. AND we should pray for all involved. All of our hearts are wicked, every one…and God loves us still and wants us to repent and come to Him.
Robert Morris is the reason why your personal relationship with God is more important than your relationship with the pastor. RM was about to retire, but he told a big lie. Now God has exposed the lie, and hopefully, the elders will make decisions based on the Bible and not how popular a pastor is. God is still on the throne. I pray RM's behavior does not make people doubt God. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are real. Too bad humans are fallible.
This is such an important point. People have and continue to put Robert, (a MAN and NOT a Pastor God would recognize) on a pedestal. It is scary how many still support him. The bigger RM has gotten the worse it is that he is in fact a charleton who is idolized. He said he was 'saved in a motel room at 19. He also said he sold drugs in the church parking lots. No theology school, not ordained. How does someone like him become a preacher at 19? I'm trying to understand just what people have been following at all?
Unfortunately, the pastors who knew about Morris' sin and placed him in ministry saw Morris as an opportunity to advance themselves, because they saw the popularity of Robert Morris. I believe this is a common factor in all of the apostate churches.
@amisam8176 It is certainly a common feature of mega-churches, most of whom teach name it and claim it. They make me truly sick how they have enriched themselves off the backs of their gullible, often needy, congregations.
Indeed it is! They don’t have that narcissistic charisma, so in this way they will receive some the “ anointing” by staying “ close” and loyal to the pastor. It’s so disgusting and far from what’s healthy and normal!
This is very common tactic. Many denominations are guilty of this. They know that their main guy is wrong on many doctrinal issues yet they never call him out on it, because it would seem status and paycheck override their desire for truth.
Gosh, I can hear the conviction in this man's voice. Completely unfiltered comments about the character of Robert Morris and yet so very satisfying to hear Christ followers unafraid to speak the TRUTH and not hide behind a veil of fear of protecting the name of a famous pastor. We do not have time to play games this very day; we need truth now more than ever. Robert Morris is no different than any one of us. Irrespective of your role, title, position in any church, you are under the laws of this land. At the time of offense, if RM was found culpable, he should have been criminally charged. No question about it.
This video was very difficult for me to watch. I was sexually abused before I was 5. It set me up to later be abused by other men. My mother let one man around my sister and I and never believed us because he babysat us. Then, once again, a pedophile moved in and she was happy to let us stay with him and his wife.. They fed us and clothed us while abusing me. His wife knew too. Why she didn't stop it, I don't know. I got psychological help at 38 and I spent 5 years getting over most of the damage. I still have to struggle with the abuse as I encounter situations reminiscent of the past. This week the rapes and murders by the illegals migrants have wrecked havoc with me. Listening to this almost makes me want to not go to any church but I don't think Robert Morris was in a real church. I listen to Justin to be informed....thank you Justin. I just remembered that when someone told me they liked him, I watched once but something didn't seem right so I never watched again. Christians NEED to read the Word for themselves and listen to Good people like R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, The Gospel of Christ with John Henry!!!!!
@shepherdpeter God's forgiveness has nothing to do with obeying the laws of the land (Roman's 13)...you break the law you have to suffer the consequences. Completely seperate from God's forgiveness. The law of sowing and reaping. No where in the Bible does it say you can commit a crime and so long as God.forgives you you don't have to suffer the consequences imposed by the law. And if he is blaming the victim for being seductive...at 12!.....and not admitting to what he did that was rape...then he's not truly repentant and God won't forgive him. "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Notice the word "confess". Hes not confessing to what he actually did...he obfuscating. If everything said in this video is true....have to consider this guy may have a vendetta against Robert Morris and may be exaggerating...none of us know for sure...unless you're in hisnchurch and heard exactly what he said....
@@mverderaime I’m ex GW. We were never told that he SA’d a 12 year old for 4 years! We were told he had numerous affairs and was sexually promiscuous as a teenager and early 20’s. That’s not disclosure - that was deceptive and manipulative to the congregation!
My God help all the members of Gateway who were unaware of the pastors crimes and sins. Help them not to stop serving the Lord in Jesus name I pray. Amen.
@@juliecranford534 Yes, it is discouraging, however more towards a Church, not with Padre God, HIS Begotten Son our Saviour & the Holy Spirit. Padre God be Praised for YT & other online sources. As much as there is darkness in Technology, even YT & all other resources have darkness. No matter what the Light of our Saviour manages to reach us. Padre God for HIS mercy. Peace be with us all 🙏. "Isa"
I went to Shady Grove Church back then when he was an elder Robert Morris. This all makes me so sick. One of my best friends I was a bridesmaid for got married there by the choir Director, who was ordained. He ended up having an affair with one of his choir members and was forced to confess before the whole church one night. While his wife sat in the congregation crying. At the time I thought this is really awkward with all these children in the congregation listening to this. I also work for Kenneth ministries before that for almost 4 years. I truly believe there’s way more to the story and a pedophile doesn’t quit and can’t be reformed. In my opinion. I believe there is very recent activities. And these preachers are going to go down. Sex child trafficking wait-and-see. I’ve heard people talk about being involved in these trafficking rings and a lot of these pastors are very much involved. I know nobody wants to hear that people are going to be so shocked. Maybe it’ll be the great fallen away who knows. But Robert Morris did way more in my opinion than 40 years ago. There’s probably more people at his church that were involved as well. The truth always comes out eventually Let’s see what happens.
Yep. I believe that there will be more preachers tied to sax trafficking. It is funny/ not funny that p Diddy got arrested and then preachers stepping.down afterward. That is my feelings. But I will pray for them all, regardless.
For Debbie Morris to call and say "I forgive you" makes me sick to my stomach. How dare she do such an evil thing? But she will blame shift and say Robert made me do it.... she's is as evil as her pedophile husband! I am so thankful that Cindy kept exposing this, took way too long for someone to listen. I am praying for Cindy and her family, and that others will come forward.
I’m glad Steve mentioned - why wasn’t something done to restore/provide counseling to the 12 year old child that was raped/molested for 4 1/2 years! Was she taken under the wing of the church and given counseling? It doesn’t sound like it. This is also a crime of that church as well as rhe perpetrator Robert Morris.
I completely agree with everything you said except for the that she should have had counseling from the church. Church counselors are not certified counselors with degrees. They are self-appointed and what she needs is a real counselor or a professional psychiatrist OUTSIDE of the church where there is no bias
@@GameChanger597 Agreed - I didn’t say she should have had counseling from the church. I said in effect, did the church take her under their wing and provide counseling, meaning - the church did nothing for the victim of this crime. And the grooming and rape were done in secret using God and the church to perpetrate an innocent child even further.
I have family who work at Robert Morris’s church. They haven’t been online since this came out. They also have worked for Kenneth Copeland. I pray this opens their eyes.
Kenneth Copeland is a successful man of God and has made so much money over the years. His TV show is worth millions! Money has to be the sign of success.
Being victimized like this not only steals your innocence but it causes you to have self lothing and low self-esteem. I was six and it didn't end till I was eight. In my case it was my own father. It took me till I was 30 to forgive him. The Lord Jesus is amazing and His love is perfect. All glory to God for His goodness.🙌❤️
@dubyredburndarling6334 It is heart breaking to hear of what you suffered. I am so glad that you have been able to trust and lean on Jesus' love, which is perfect. May God continue to bless you richly!
Sex abuse, sexual assault, rape, domestic violence is death to the soul. It leaves a distorted view of God as Father, especially if a childs father or grandfather, preacher or priest is the abuser. Just about every Christian culture covers up these crimes, and the errant pastors get shuffled around to other unsuspecting churches. Sexual assault on the Native American Reservations is just as bad. the Tribal councils do not allow outside law enforcement involved in it. The Amish communities are notorious for covering up child abuse.
This is so heartbreaking, I'm so sorry , I was rapped and molested and when I told about it , I wasn't taken seriously and so I kept it to myself and I definitely feel the way that you said, it also effect my marriage 💔
I was a victim of sexual assault in the early 60s as a child and then became anti-christianity until I was in prison in 1980 I got saved while locked up and never committed another crime again and now I teach the Bible to others and whenever I meet people who have been victims I try to counsel them and lead them to godly people that can also help them
I was abused at the age of 4. When I disclosed 12 years later he went to prison at the age of 72. Lock him up that’s where he belongs and I love how seriously everyone is taking this. The courage it takes to speak without certainty of the response is immense. Great job, Cindy.
I really appreciate the video and am praying for Cindy -- just don't feel like praying for M/M Morris, hopefully I can pray for them by faith one day, that is an evil couple and they sure need prayer 😢
@StacyA406 I am so sorry, Stacy, that you suffered this. And you are right that many victims don't come forward because they are frightened that they might not be taken seriously, or worse, are blamed themselves. Furthermore, so many victims of sexual abuse are unable to articulate their experiences because of wrongly placed feelings of guilt and shame. Everyone who is a Believer should be taking this seriously and particularly church leaders and elders. Some of the comments in this thread make me so angry that I could slap them.
How could Cindy’s parents not have done more to get justice for their child and prevent Morris from serving in a church, or anywhere else where children were present?
Morris did a sermon called "Room 12. In the sermon, Morris admitted he preyed on several girls who had broken relationships with their fathers. This was not the only girl Morris did this act to. Morris is a monster.
Not holding these people accountable to the full extent of the law does nothing but more damage. I see the righteous anger in Steve’s face. This is what the unsaved world needs to see in response to this mess.
I grew up in a church and at 13 the pastors son aged 32-35 groomed Me. His wife blamed me. I held it in all these years. Now at 35, I realize I was a child. I hope one day I can speak up publicly. I am sure there were many more victims
I attended a church I loved very much until it was disclosed that the pastor had been living a double life - had a whole other family (with children) with another woman in another state for 9 YEARS. He stepped down but I had to leave because I lost trust in all of the other leadership because there's no way they didn't know about that - not for 9 years. It was heartbreaking and many others left, too. Today, I don't think there are many people still there that were members at that time. It made it very hard for me to join another church for a very long time.
I would not compare that situation with Robert Morris. This man is being thrown under the bus and there will be consequences for those people, not Morris. All these replies against Morris are appalling. They have become a demonic lynch squad. Don’t side with them.
Her parents didn't take the proper steps as well. Her parents should have report it to the authorities before the church. The father also protected the church over his daughter.
@@dawnzimmerman6818 Did you listened to the details of the interview?? Stamp the time where her parents reported it to the police. They never did. What her father did was say he needed to stop preaching which he did and he went through recovery for two years. Robert said, the father gave him permission to preach again and she said her father didn't. Stop being in denial. Her parents FIRST had the responsibility to report it to the police and they didn't. If they would have done it. He would have gone to jail.
Well said Steve. Thank you so much for presenting this righteous anger toward this horrible SIN. More people like you are needed to stand up for the abused ones who have no voice.
Yes after listening to this I am kinda stunned ...I just didn't realize and I feel differently after hearing the real Truth I pray Robert Repents is Truthful to God , to Himself and to His family God is Merciful He will forgive Him, but I really pray for Cindy that she gets the Help to heal and I am sorry for judging her before I even knew the truth I do have some thoughts as to why her parents did not turn this into the police office immediately?...It was there baby girl ...I mean common.
Who the Son sets free is free indeed. Sin is sin, and we are all guilty of it. Some have telephone poles in their own eyes while they are pointing out some sawdust in others. Have you been forgiven? If you can't forgive a brother, the Father does not have to forgive you.
This was a sin in Robert Morris's life that was committed 20 years ago. He has repented and been forgiven and delivered God doesn't bring up our past sins ! He forgives us and remembers them no more! He doesn't slap them in our face everytime we turn around! We are not better than God!!! He forgave , we gotta forgive! They should have spoke up about this years ago!!! Why did they wait all these years???????? There's no excuse!!!!!!!! These parents are at fault for not speaking up about this when it happened!!! Shame on them!!!! Why would we not look at that picture!
Trust me. The more we know the more we want police involved. This should have happened years ago. There is no statute of limitations in Texas for "S3xuall abuse". I'm waiting to hear that he has been arrested. The whole thing is painful for us.
I was a member of Gateway. I'm glad I left. Robert had gotten so prosperity preachy that I was uncomfortable there. I never met him. That church was huge even 15 years ago when I left. I pray he truly repents and God's will be done in this situation.
Its all utterly appalling and contemptible. The fact that Robert Morris abused someone so young for years, then covered it up with the help of so-called elders, and then they lied in concert to silence the victim as the offender. And this was done under the guise of a church, its so awful! They must all be held fully accountable, everyone who knew.
@grantkruger689 Absolutely agree! Not only is the original crime contemptible, but so was the way the Elders handled the case. It has not only brought them and their church into disrepute, but the whole Church of God.
Right what did Debbie know. How could’ve woman of Our Heavenly Father do nothing much less what she said. She’s complicit as well. No women would believe a 12 year old seduced a 21 year man. Ugh.
Exactly what I was thinking! They were probably indoctrinated by the elders telling them God would handle it & that Christians aren’t suppose to take other Christians to court. That’s what they like to say bc it is in the Bible but real repentance includes acknowledging what your sin is in front of the church & making it right with your victim not hiding behind closed doors pretending it’s her fault!
THAT WAS THE PRESSURE THE CHURCH PUT ON THEM AS THEY WERE LOYAL PARISHIONERS! THEY DID GO TO THE CHURCH AND WAS TOLD THAT THEIR 12 YO DAUGHTER WAS A JEZEBEL! WHAT YOU HAVE THEN IS CLERGY OF A RICH MEGA CHURCH VS A 12 YO JEZEBEL! WOULD YOU PUT YOUR 12 YO DAUGHTER WHO PLAYS WITH DOLLS THROUGH THAT? THE GREATER CHURCH WOULD SHUN HER!
That’s what I’m not understanding! There should have been erupting smoke in the city going on! All those who knew including his family(wife Debbie) should be prosecuted as well. If a complete stranger inflicted this kind of harm on any one of their children, they wouldn’t have kept it hush hush, police would’ve been involved IMMEDIATELY! So why not on him the word Pastor is just a title he still a man, obviously. Liar
Thank you, Brother Justin, for contending for the faith. This breaks my heart that the world looks at Christianity as a joke and this behavior just feeds into the world's view of Christianity. This is what happens when God's Word is mocked and changed to suit man's ways. And when church leaders do not teach God's Word, but choose, instead, to teach a feel-good-new-age kind of message that is devoid of repentance and the need for Jesus. Please come soon, Lord Jesus. 🙏
Praise God for your courage, bro Steve. Several prophets have prophesied that many spiritual giants will fall from grace this year 2024. I believe more will be exposed.
It's very important to know through this devastation news: For young believers who are new to faith ~ please discriminate and separate who GOD is from man. Because man is a failure and yes, some not trusted. Separate your faith from the church. Seek YAH for true believers to be with and pray for guidance to discern those not walking in truth. Hear from the Holy Spirit and take time to hear. Because your life will be directed in the right way.
You said a lot when you said "God's Word is mocked and changed." I have studied this out a lot. People are reading bibles that do not condemn sins in people's lives or point out sins. They have no power. The Words of God have been changed. This will make some mad, but the NIV is one of them.
Thank you for coming forward to clarify this issue. Father, i lift up all those involved and complicit in this issue that You would bring them to true repentance. Rend their heart that they would completely surrender to You. In Jesus name. Amen
It is written But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. Not just for certain sin. All sin.
Justin Peters, I'm so thankful that your #1 Loyalty is always to God. It is heartbreaking how many "christian" media and publications are "soft-pedaling" this, and NOT holding these men ACCOUNTABLE. Come, Lord Jesus, Come Soon!
He pulls down all spiritual leaders be they male or female. He has a chip on his shoulder. He never says anything positive of any spiritual leader or preacher. Just follow his videos!!!! Probably he missed the opportunity to preach. He is a very bitter person.
I go (went) to Gateway. Thank you for speaking out and helping me see the truth. We are devastated and newer believers. Please pray we find another church that is true to the Bible and Jesus.
I have visited Countryside Bible Church several times. It is excellent! They teach the Bible verse by verse. I wish I lived nearer to Southlake so I could attend there weekly! Grace & peace! ❤️🙏✝️
@@nicoleashleyj Full Gospel Holy Temple appears to be another New Apostolic Reformation and Pentecostal / Charismatic style church. It may be smaller, but the doctrine appears to be similar to Gateway Church.
Wow! You are so spot on! I have a perpetrator that hasn’t taken responsibility for his actions but continues to give spiritual guidance with lofty words! Everyone needs to hear this!
Lord I pray for all those involved and I pray your will be done in their lives. Help your people continue to seek you with all their hearts regardless of men who try to bring a separation of your church. We love you Jesus! You are our hope! Our hope is not on any man or men!
This man Morris should not be restored to the ministry at all. He had been playing game all these years by pretending to confess his sin in a twisted way. He should be in jail Christmas 1982. Robert is a very dangerous man. He is shameless, immoral, and evil.
Hopefully, the States, or at least one of them, does not have a Statute of Limitations on such crimes. If that is so, he could still (and probably will) go to jail. In England there is no Statute of Limitations for such crimes for very obvious reasons. Let's just hope that this will be the case in one of the States in which he committed his crime.
I was molested once by my brother in law and it has affected me my entire life for just once. And he never had to answer. He has passed away now. If he went to heaven he has or will answer to God. One year or 4-1/2 you never get over it. You deal with it
As former 9 year members of said church and suffering from their spiritual abuse, spiritual rape, and spiritual abortion of what God was doing, let's just say my wife and I had a not so nice name for the initials S.G.
WOW! I had my own suspicions as a member for 5+ years, but THIS! is an unimaginable level of detail filling in a lot of concerns I had while a member. TRUTH is refreshing. Long overdue.
@@KJ-lb4tj so many things I could hardly name them all. The brain is a brilliant thing in how it processes an event which we sometimes ignore or dismiss just to find out later that hindsight really is 20/20. We give the brain far less credit and don’t give the Lord ANY credit for how he designed our brain without ANY help from man. One can always have an (inaccurate) explanation for another’s experiences. For example, I could say at every event Debbie always “seemed” depressed, another could say, “aww, you’re just over reacting! She’s a public figure, she’s just being measured and tactful .” I could say during service Robert Morris on most occasions had a long list of guest pastors and speakers that I knew were NOT responsible in sharing the faith of Jesus Christ, ( i.e., Ravi Zacharias, James Robinson, Michael Todd, David Green, etc, etc, etc), another could say, “Man!! Why are you so critical?! Why don’t you start a church and get 10K members of your own!” I could say when our child went on a mission trip sponsored by the church, paid for by the parent or guardian the report my child came back with was NOT positive and left me with some concerns. Another could say, “Wow!! Stop judging! Teenagers have creative minds anyway and always know how to embellish a story. Lighten up!.” I could say whenever Robert Morris’s son preached, it was as if he didn’t believe what he preached. We found ourselves not attending church when he spoke b/c we’d get nothing from it. Another would say, “Now that’s not being a good Christian, we’re supposed to support one another and encourage one another. Are you even reading your Bible!?” I could say a higher up Gateway staff member at a particular campus had a side business we patronized and the money it cost us to clean up the damages they caused by using a foreign overseas contractor who not only hacked our services, but failed to complete the work was most stressful. This was reported to Gateway only to inform them this member deemed a “senior” member should NOT advertise their services to members in this church. They ignored it and made a deliberate effort to support this person by elevating them to a higher position that works even closer with members. With ALL that headache, another would say, “Maybe you shouldn’t have used the church for your business. The church is for worship ONLY, sorry that happened though.” I could say I knew of youth relationships by youth pastors and members that were NOT pure, discovered via my teenagers who heavily participated in just about ALL youth groups activities, youth conferences and home youth ministries. While another would say, “Kids! You know how they are. I’m sure it’s nothing..” I could say when I went for a meeting at their HQ for the first time it was like I entered the HQ of a secular Fortune 500 corporation and I have entered many around the country. It was by NO means a warm and inviting atmosphere as portrayed every Sunday across the pulpit of multiple campuses. However another would say, “Well I mean, it is one of the largest churches in the state if not the country. With campuses outside the state and prison broadcasting. Man!! Loosen the leash why don’t cha!!” I could say in a few of Robert Morris’s sermons he literally stated how he manipulates the audience to get women’s attention or the emotional side and men’s attention or the logical side. For some reason I’ll never forget what he said and the fact he actually said it makes double the reasoning, but another will say, “Well you do know, to be successful in life, you’ve gotta articulate yourself and he’s doing it. Leaders go where the rest of us don’t go. I mean look at his membership numbers!!” I could say their regular “Prophecy Conference” seemed a bit awkward. This is a service when leaders in the pulpit randomly call out someone in the audience and “prophecy” their life. It appeared artificial to me and a bit staged as in the speaker seemed to “fish” for things to say. But another would say, “well I’m sure it helped someone. Let’s not be too critical of’em. Remember God loves everybody.” I could say I unexpectedly ran into a campus pastor at a department store whom we each knew each other well “while within the walls of Gateway” However once we made eye contact down this store aisle, he actually rolled his eyes and moved quickly in the opposite direction in haste with his head down. Now I must say this is the same campus pastor months earlier who saw me sitting in the same restaurant as he was dining at and I paid for his lunch before he could pay for mine as the waiter explained the “competition”. However another would say, “See! You’re just over reacting. Nothing really happened there.” I could say when Gateway showed interest and purchased a church in Jackson Hole, WY that was a 🚩 to me immediately based on my research of what historically goes on there, but I’m sure another who’s research consists of the top three Google searches would say, “Well what goes on there?? What Conspiracy Theory manual have you been reading?! I’ve never heard that (therefore it’s not true). I could say when well know preacher and speaker Tim Ross (who was on staff during my time at Gateway) was given the blessing by Pastor Robert in front of us all and funded Tim Ross to start a church this was admirable, but soon turned weird after Tim “closed down” the church after many years and started a foul mouth Podcast with this new revelation about how God wants him to communicate with the lost. I knew this had to be a VERY odd relationship between Ross and Morris before hand. But another would say, “ Ahhh, it’s just a coincidence. He who hath no sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes.” All these things I could say I’ve known since 2020. Regardless of who likes OR dislikes TRUMP, he has been one to cause TRUTH to be revealed and exposed. For the positive or negative, this is the truth. With that I say well AMEN!! With that said, when TRUMP visited Gateway church in 2020 for a roundtable on “TRANSITION TO GREATNESS” where he asked Pastor Morris and Bishop Jackson to pray. I KNEW pastor Robert was finally caught for all his actions. For those who study behavioral science, TRUMP was disgusted with each and Pastor Roberts prayer was a confession, but many probably missed it. But in a society filled with ignoring TRUTH another would say, “I HATE TRUMP! He’s racist and fascist” ( totally missing the point AGAIN). I could go on and on with so many oddities I experienced, but NOW this exposure seems to connect FOR ME all these questions that could have anyone thinking something is wrong with themselves. This is why TRUTH is so needed from people. Everybody is comfortable living a lie in this country🇺🇸. No one desires or seeks to tell the TRUTH anymore. I love the Lord for many things, but especially right now for moving through those who are not afraid to TELL THE TRUTH. Something we all should have learned before leaving the second grade.
@@KJ-lb4tj so many things I could hardly name them all. The brain is a brilliant thing in how it processes an event which we sometimes ignore or dismiss just to find out later that hindsight really is 20/20. We give the brain far less credit and don’t give the Lord ANY credit for how he designed our brain without ANY help from man. One can always have an (inaccurate) explanation for another’s experiences. For example, I could say at every event Debbie always “seemed” depressed, another could say, “aww, you’re just over reacting! She’s a public figure, she’s just being measured and tactful .” I could say during service Robert Morris on most occasions had a long list of guest pastors and speakers that I knew were NOT responsible in sharing the faith of Jesus Christ, ( i.e., Ravi Zacharias, James Robinson, Michael Todd, David Green, etc, etc, etc), another could say, “Man!! Why are you so critical?! Why don’t you start a church and get 10K members of your own!” I could say when our child went on a mission trip sponsored by the church, paid for by the parent or guardian the report my child came back with was NOT positive and left me with some concerns. Another could say, “Wow!! Stop judging! Teenagers have creative minds anyway and always know how to embellish a story. Lighten up!.” I could say whenever Robert Morris’s son preached, it was as if he didn’t believe what he preached. We found ourselves not attending church when he spoke b/c we’d get nothing from it. Another would say, “Now that’s not being a good Christian, we’re supposed to support one another and encourage one another. Are you even reading your Bible!?” I could say a higher up Gateway staff member at a particular campus had a side business we patronized and the money it cost us to clean up the damages they caused by using a foreign overseas contractor who not only hacked our services, but failed to complete the work was most stressful. This was reported to Gateway only to inform them this member deemed a “senior” member should NOT advertise their services to members in this church. They ignored it and made a deliberate effort to support this person by elevating them to a higher position that works even closer with members. With ALL that headache, another would say, “Maybe you shouldn’t have used the church for your business. The church is for worship ONLY, sorry that happened though.” I could say I knew of youth relationships by youth pastors and members that were NOT pure, discovered via my teenagers who heavily participated in just about ALL youth groups activities, youth conferences and home youth ministries. While another would say, “Kids! You know how they are. I’m sure it’s nothing..” I could say when I went for a meeting at their HQ for the first time it was like I entered the HQ of a secular Fortune 500 corporation and I have entered many around the country. It was by NO means a warm and inviting atmosphere as portrayed every Sunday across the pulpit of multiple campuses. However another would say, “Well I mean, it is one of the largest churches in the state if not the country. With campuses outside the state and prison broadcasting. Man!! Loosen the leash why don’t cha!!” I could say in a few of Robert Morris’s sermons he literally stated how he manipulates the audience to get women’s attention or the emotional side and men’s attention or the logical side. For some reason I’ll never forget what he said and the fact he actually said it makes double the reasoning, but another will say, “Well you do know, to be successful in life, you’ve gotta articulate yourself and he’s doing it. Leaders go where the rest of us don’t go. I mean look at his membership numbers!!” I could say their regular “Prophecy Conference” seemed a bit awkward. This is a service when leaders in the pulpit randomly call out someone in the audience and “prophecy” their life. It appeared artificial to me and a bit staged as in the speaker seemed to “fish” for things to say. But another would say, “well I’m sure it helped someone. Let’s not be too critical of’em. Remember God loves everybody.” I could say I unexpectedly ran into a campus pastor at a department store whom we each knew each other well “while within the walls of Gateway” However once we made eye contact down this store aisle, he actually rolled his eyes and moved quickly in the opposite direction in haste with his head down. Now I must say this is the same campus pastor months earlier who saw me sitting in the same restaurant as he was dining at and I paid for his lunch before he could pay for mine as the waiter explained the “competition”. However another would say, “See! You’re just over reacting. Nothing really happened there.” I could say when Gateway showed interest and purchased a church in Jackson Hole, WY that was a 🚩 to me immediately based on my research of what historically goes on there, but I’m sure another who’s research consists of the top three Google searches would say, “Well what goes on there?? What Conspiracy Theory manual have you been reading?! I’ve never heard that (therefore it’s not true). I could say when well know preacher and speaker Tim Ross (who was on staff during my time at Gateway) was given the blessing by Pastor Robert in front of us all and funded Tim Ross to start a church this was admirable, but soon turned weird after Tim “closed down” the church after many years and started a foul mouth Podcast with this new revelation about how God wants him to communicate with the lost. I knew this had to be a VERY odd relationship between Ross and Morris before hand. But another would say, “ Ahhh, it’s just a coincidence. He who hath no sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes.” All these things I could say I’ve known since 2020. Regardless of who likes OR dislikes TRUMP, he has been one to cause TRUTH to be revealed and exposed. For the positive or negative, this is the truth. With that I say well AMEN!! With that said, when TRUMP visited Gateway church in 2020 for a roundtable on “TRANSITION TO GREATNESS” where he asked Pastor Morris and Bishop Jackson to pray. I KNEW pastor Robert was finally caught for all his actions. For those who study behavioral science, TRUMP was disgusted with each and Pastor Roberts prayer was a confession, but many probably missed it. But in a society filled with ignoring TRUTH another would say, “I HATE TRUMP! He’s racist and fascist” ( totally missing the point AGAIN). I could go on and on with so many oddities I experienced, but NOW this exposure seems to connect FOR ME all these questions that could have anyone thinking something is wrong with themselves. This is why TRUTH is so needed from people. Everybody is comfortable living a lie in this country🇺🇸. No one desires or seeks to tell the TRUTH anymore. I love the Lord for many things, but especially right now for moving through those who are not afraid to TELL THE TRUTH. Something we all should have learned before leaving the second grade.
I was at Gateway Church when Glenn Beck was there. I had seen red flags but Glenn Beck was the straw that broke the camel's back. He somehow made it seem he was a biblical expository preacher. Later I revisited some of his sermons online specifically tithe and praying in tongues. He frames the sermon before he goes verse by verse. He is the most crafty eisegesis pastor I have ever seen. And prideful on the pulpit. He and his wife Debbie have what appears to be weekly visions. You know Joseph Smith and mohamed both claimed to see visions. That doesn't mean they are from God. Anyway just because he has stepped down doesn't mean he will not be taking the blessed life on the road. There seems to be an abondance of wolves these days. I pray for Cindy. To think her and I are the same age and it started in 82. The way he has framed the situation is terrible. This is it is better to tie a milestone around your neck and be cast into the sea.
Amen, and praise the Lord for the discernment He gave you. I believe anyone in right standing with God has that discernment, to not sit through those wolves tickling ear sermons for so long. It's tragic. It sounds like Morris has been given a silver snake tongue, and God has given he and his followers over to their deception. Very sad, and I am praying for them all. ❤ God bless Cindy.
Tk u for this interview A child( boy or girl) THEIR LIFE is FOREVER DAMAGED! ONLY GOD can help that child! My dad molested me at 9 yrs old I’m fixing to turn 74 and still the memories are still in my MIND even tho I have Jesus as my Savior.
I can so relate. I'm 73 and in addition to incest learned later in my life that I am also a SRA survivor (satanic ritual abuse). It was so traumatic I totally dissociated, didn't remember anything. With the help of a minister who had specialized training helping SRA survivors I was able to get some victories. It's been a Long process and still going on
Please let the reader understand. . . "Resignation" is not a biblical concept but is an action of a CEO and furthermore the "accepting" of a resignation is the action of a business board and not that of church elders. No one "resigns" from a body they are ( supposedly) in submission to. Submission to public rebuke before the congregation/body is the actual biblically prescribed process--the purpose of which is to maintain the fear of God in the congregation. Anything less from Morris or the elders "accepting" anything less (and not it calling it out as rebellion) is abject apostasy and shows the fear of man rather than the fear of God. 😢
Unfortunately, very few churches practice discipline any longer. Many “Christians” want their ears tickled. Also, “pastor” and “millionaire” should never appear in the same sentence together. Jesus had some harsh words about wealth!
As a member of Countryside Bible Church, I can attest to the loving nature of the fellowship there and we are extremely grateful for Tom Pennington's teaching. Since we joined the church in 2019, I can't tell you how many people have come to CBC from Gateway! Dozens at least - and it's only a mile away. Y'all from Gateway are very welcome to join us!
Pastor Tom Pennington spent years at Grace Community Church. A good man, solid teaching, loving congregation. Right down the road from Gateway. Cessation it’s, but most should be able to adjust.
Thank you for finally coming out and defending the children hi myself was abused as a little girl and him 78 and had tons of therapy and Deliverance and this is stirring up something in me for the children
I live in the Dallas area and have many friends that go to Gateway. I am not a fan of Mega Churches, but had been invited to a Gateway Home Bible Study about 10 years ago. The book is called "The Blessed Life: Unlocking the Rewards of Generous Living" by Robert Morris. I already was not a fan of the title having grown up in the "Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Jimmy Swaggart" era. The first chapter was enough for me to not only NOT return to the study, but throw the book away. I didn't care I had spent money on it. I remember he went on and on about how he had a cheaper car or home, "the Lord" told him to give it away, and then "the Lord" upgraded him, and that process continued until he had a plane. I was like, you've got to be kidding me! I saw nothing Biblical about any of it. Many people I know that go there go for the programming, activities, and the people they can meet - sort of expand their circle of friends as many are single and are looking for people to hang out with. I hope this will cause them to think again and seek a better place to worship at. I love my small congregation!
Agree, but Jimmy Swaggart did repent, and on tv to everyone and his wife. I understand preachers have a lot of pressure and great temptation, I look to repentance and look to see if the message aligns with the Bible. So JS is the only one I listen to
Up to the "court system" now? It may go in the way of precedent cases of criminals / cover up'ers getting away with it sadly. The ways of this world and money are quite the barrier to justice being served
@@janeh5949Have you heard in many jurisdictions there is no statute of limitations for the crime of child rape. Texas has NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS for child rape or sex abuse. Morris is a con-artist like nearly every mega pastor. They are money grubbing ravening wolves. A couple years ago my wife came home with a book 'by' Morris. I told her what he is about and she threw it away without reading it.
As a major in criminal law. Is there a statute of limitations where you cannot be charged when someone does this to a child and the child doesn’t report it until they are an adult? Thank you
A lot of comments focus on Morris but praise God this woman has gloried our Father through her bravery in persisting. The personal abuse and blame she must have endured from his protectors yet she kept going. Bless her. Hopefully his woeful preaching will also be exposed to those previously blind to it.
I am wondering why this woman waited30/40 years to speak out. Not condoning Morris but the woman ask for money - offer $25,000 and she rejected it and wants $2 million. It bothers me and she should be ask to take a poly test.
Praise God, Praise God, Praise God for Steve and his boldness of calling Morris out!!! Steve may have started out, not wanting to be as bold as he was about all of this, but I am so grateful for everything he said. COUNTLESS other victims, myself included, are so grateful for this TRUTH. I am 73 years old and spent more than half my life struggling through the damage that was caused in my life because of the same kind of abuse. Only our God in heaven can provide the kind of healing that so many need, and I am so grateful for how my life has changed. I still have challenges, especially when I read and hear of all the things that happened in this case, but I know God is there and I can I always look to Him!! I pray this for every victim and for every church that has had to deal with the trauma that gets caused by this evil!!
He was a pdfile, a predator, a child m*lester. Did James Robinson know and did not report to police. Shame on Robinson. Sick and disgusting. They will answer to God on Judgment Day.
After reviewing my Bible study over the last week, it talks about the rebellious and disobedient nature of man, Gods discipline and God’s desire to have relationship with his people. Our place is not to judge anyone’s repentance, that is between God and the individual. God’s discipline is paramount not yours or mine! Pray for the victim,Cindy. Pray for Robert and EVERYONE else who was touched. Ask for discernment, pray against a judgmental spirit, pray for repentance and forgiveness!
I can agree with you unless you are downplaying discernment and calling it judging. The reason the church is in such trouble is because without a vision the people perish. I'm speaking generally of the American church. There is a widespread biblical illiteracy that doesn't know what discernment really is because they don't really know the word.
This is why we worship God and not man .Man will fail ..God will not ...He is holy ..He can't fail ..This person calls himself a friend ,a believer in Christ yet so quick to support Pastor Morris demise, instead of praying for both parties involve . .What an awesome God we have in Jesus who died for our sins because no one could keep the law perfect ..Pastor Morris did an unforgivable sin to man,s eyes but in God's eyes ,if he had repented ,his sin is removed as far as the east is to the west ..remember Paul everyone...
When God restores men this kind of thing will no longer be a problem. The perverts run the country and they are in judiciary but there is a cure. th-cam.com/video/c1BEsvnzaFU/w-d-xo.html
He lied in his autobiography, explaining away his two year absence from ministry as God dealing with him over a "pride" issue. Wrong. He had been molesting a child for years! So he printed that falsehood and let it stay there as he sold his book. Meanwhile he never would have stepped down now except that he got exposed! What's worse are those STILL defending him and blaming the woman for waiting so long to come forward! I actually saw someone on Facebook say "touch not God's anointed, he repented so let God judge and not us". Makes you wonder what they would think if it was their child!
Exactly. He didn’t step down from ministry to deal with pride. He was REMOVED from ministry to get counseling for being a pedophile. I submit those are two entirely different things.😡
You do not wish you had him on under happier circumstance. You, Justin, thrive on exposing people. I'm not saying predators should not be exposed. But you like it. That is your thing. I think it gives you a sense of moral superiority.
@amazinggrace3850 It could still happen. He abused her in two separate States. If either one of them does not apply the Statute of Limitations to such crimes, he could still face prosecution and jail.
As a recently former Gateway member and someone who regularly attended Stephen’s young adults ministry at Gateway back in the early 2010s. I really appreciate his candour and knowledge of this tragic manipulation. I’ll be looking for a new Church for my family that is Biblical sound. My heart breaks for what happened to the woman who was the victim of this situation and the innocent people and employees of Gateway.
Countryside Bible Church is nearby off 114. They teach the Bible verse by verse. They are Biblically sound, and sing actual hymns without the crazy loud drums and guitars of contemporary music. Highly recommended! Grace & peace! ✝️🙏✝️
It's terrible what happened to her at 12, and that her parent's did nothing to help her, instead they hid it so they wouldn't be humiliated. People better be mindful that, what's done in the dark, shall come to light. Help us all Holy Spirit to stay strong in the Lord and the power of his might!🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
'. . .that her parent's did nothing to help her, instead they hid it so they wouldn't be humiliated.' - Wrong. She was a child at 12 y.o. and told by Mr. Morris not to tell others, as she had no knowledge of what molestation is. When she opened up to a friend at 17 y.o., she was told to tell her parents where they believed her and her father complained to their church to have him removed. The church placed him under a 2-yr. restoration training and was back after two years (time somewhat questionable bec. there were stories that Mr. James Robison took him in to work at his ministry during this time, after he worked as security guard at Motel 6 temporarily). These memories came back to her when she was 35 y.o. but it was obviously beyond the statutes of limitation. Mr. Morris was lying to his church elders and Mr. James Robison (Life Outreach) in hiding this unrepentant pastor, who claimed that she was like Jezebel and she was the one who was seducing him - a childlike brain and character like that; shame on Mr. Morris as a pastor of God - a master speaker and manipulator.
I used to be a member of Gateway church when Pastor LeBlanc was there. I genuinely enjoyed his sermons on Tuesday's for the 18 to 30 year olds. I left the church because something just didn't feel right about the church as a whole, and it had felt like that for some time. I'm glad this came to light. I hope Cindy is now able to truly heal. ❤
This case is exactly the same as Hillsong covering up Serial Pedeophile Frank Housten..If the statute of limitations in this case is ten years I sadly don't see Robert Morris prosecuted to my dismay..😢😢
I was raped by 5 different men, by the age of 15teen. One of the men, was my auntie's sons, father. My name was destroyed through the family by my aunt and I was only 14teen when her son's father raped me, he was 40ty. No one really believes you, at times when you speak out about the abuse. I did not share with my children and siblings about my assaults until maybe 7 yrs ago and I am 50ty today in 2024. God healed and kept me mentally sane and guided me to heal and move forward all these years. I am healed today.
I definitely appreciate Pastor Steve. He’s a righteous man who call out these Carismatic deceiver only there for bag 💰💰💰💰, God bless you and may the Lord strengthen you and your family and watch over you as you call out false prophets who are vain, arrogant, and self-centered modern day money changes 💯💕☺️
I was a very naive and shy 12 year old little girl…he was 22 years old…he groomed me for 4.5 years then devastated me😢I was never the same after and often wonder emotionally who would I have been if that monster had never entered my life…
Thank- you for sharing this. I appreciate the courage it takes to even type this out. God knows and sees. Praying for your healing, and strength as you continue to fight the battle that you didn't ask for.
THE CHURCH DID NOT STAND UP FOR THE VICTIM! ALL THAT MONEY, ALL THAT PRESTIGE OF A MEGA CHURCH , ALL THE LEADERSHIP, AND NOBODY STOOD UP FOR THE 12 YO WHO WAS RAPED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS TRUSTED BY THE FAMILY!
My spirit is saddened n in mourning...I literally cried bc of the falling of Robert Morris..they're are too many wolves in sheeps clothing standing at the pulpits..i pray he repents and makes reparations to Cindy..only the Lord can heal Cindy..i know this bc i was raped by my uncle..thru marriage..and only the Lord got me thru and i was able to forgive n move forward with my life..bc Jesus gives me strength!! Thank u Jesus! 🙏🙏🙏
@trudimorris8206 - thank you for sharing your story… by any chance are you aware that Cindy the victim is now 54 years old… married and has 3 grandchildren? She’s openly talked about the years of counseling she underwent and paid for.
Thank you for exposing these Sociopaths. I experienced my own predatory experience over 20 years ago which completely traumatized me. You’ve restored my faith 🙏
Thank you for this program. I don’t know anything about Robert Morris except what I have heard on this program, but the points made here about repentance are sorely needed to be heard by today’s church. Repentance does not mean “no consequences”. True repentance is exhibited by a changed life not a slap on the wrist and a return to business as usual.
I just happened to scroll TH-cam and stopped on this. This was a fantastic interview. I live in Massachusetts where there are no mega churches but we have Pastors who don’t belong in pulpits as well. This Pastor Steve is courageous to expose names of individuals who actually knew the truth of Robert Morris’ life yet covered it up for monetary gains - and also those who continue to downplay the seriousness of this crime. It’s time to wake up church. Seek the scriptures not man made doctrines. His return is nearer today. Jesus is just. He first starts his judgment against his own before judging others and he’s cleaning house. Repent. Repent. Repent. Anyone in Gateway church RUN like Joseph did from Potiphar’s wife. (And thank you for offering assistance to Cindy. That was so sincere I teared up. May godly men rise up in local communities to run these type of criminals out of town with truth from Gods word. )
I was groomed at the age of 14 by a 26 year old man. When everything came out, i was blamed for being flirtatious. I'm 50 years old now and its taken me most of my adult life to come to terms that this abuse was not my fault. I had no father figure in my life and my mother was wrapped in her own issues. So, the attention i received felt noce, but it turned horrific in the end... Don't blame the victim.
It was not your fault. I hear you and agree. Dear sister, it was never your fault. No one was there to protect you. I’m so sorry. 💔
bless you sister, the enemy will use other people to do horrific things, you are victorious in spite of it all
I'm so sorry. No, it was not your fault.
Not your fault at all! I pray you have total healing, friend. I pray for this woman as a victim of Rober Morris. I am so sickened.
Wish I could hug you and im sorry that a narcissistic predatory creep did that to you! A sick user! Your Gods creation and He treasures you enough to die for! You’re his artwork & He created you to know The Living God through Jesus & to make Him known 💜 praying that bad turns for good in your life and that your testimony makes the devil’s butt clinch
People do not realize the absolute horror that a victim goes through after being molested as a kid.....but I know! One of my dad's best friends molested me at age 12...I am 70 years old now and NO ONE knows how that one incident affected my life all these years. But, it was not just that one incident; I was taken advantage of by others....as a kid your brain explodes, your emotions are crushed and you feel like a piece of trash. My mind was so twisted after those experiences that I lost total focus on life. I started to drink and then drugs, by the time I was 16 I would do anything to get a high....I was spiraling out of control.
But then God intervened at age 18. I heard the Gospel and I ended up asking Jesus Christ to take me....and save me.
Even though I became a Christian, I still had a very low self esteem. .....something that many victims wrestle with their entire lives!
I hope all the people who helped cover up these atrocities realize how culpable they are; they need to ask forgiveness too!
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sad you endured that horror, I don't know why God allows terrible things but glad you kept the faith and one day all will be made right
i agree wholeheartedly. For me it was my Dad and i was 5years old. I’m eighty years old. The Lord helped me to forgive him after i committed my life to him in 1977. i can’t honestly say that when my Dad died i loved him.
I’m so sorry. I’m weeping reading your comment. This broken,broken world. Sometimes I think I can’t bear it anymore…….. the grief that engulfs me when I hear stories like yours and the knowledge that innocents are still being hurt every day. Lord Jesus, please come and heal us. 💔 Dry our tears and make all things new. 🙏
Thank you for sharing that. The Lord can lift us up out of all the mud mud we have been through. Stay near to Jesus. You are an overcomer. Big hug and prayer for you 🙏
Judgement begins in the house of God. God is exposing the dispicable sexual sins of the church. Thank you Lord.
I think He is also exposing the wheat from the chaff. Not just with this situation, but others lately. Notice, most of these crimes and sins are by false teachers, who teach heretical doctrine.
@@mariosangermano SA is such a pervasive problem that it isn't limited to just unbiblical doctrines. In May, 2022, the Southern Baptist Convention released a previously secret list of over 700 accused sexual abusers.
No, that's not true!
This has happened in all kinds of church and denominations! @mariosangermano
That's right
*Matthew 15:13;* _But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up._
My question is if her father and mother knew why didn’t they report Robert Morris to the police and have him arrested? Don’t you feel they are just as much at fault in all of this! Shame on them for not protecting their daughter once they found out.
And why aren't her parents being interviewed now? Something doesn't feel right about this entire thing.
There are pictures of them online back during that time and the cindy girl doesn't look really any younger than Debbie, and Robert looks like a 7th grader! He's 8 1/2 yrs older than her. I'M NOT CONDONING ANYTHING, but it sure seems like there's more to the story.
She said her parents were friends with Morris family and spendt time with them. I believe the parents choose not to see their daughters psychological, emotional and physical pain because they wanted to believe Morris was a goid guy.
That's a good question. I just listen to Cindy's interview that was very good but I wondered the same thing.
@jamesfreeman2258 they just didn't call the police like they do today. I was abused in 50's my daughter was abused in 70's. Neither were reported to police.
Back in that time period,reporting something like this, was not something that was done.. I know.. that was my first question. But, it’s the same verse, Matthew 18, that was the issue.. Her Father DID protect her, and she says that..but.. people just didn’t know how to navigate.. and dare I say, Matthew 18 does NOT apply to ABUSE!!!! But, coming from the church, growing up in the Church, that is what we were taught, and we also were taught to forgive, and that people were “forgiven” if they said they got help, or asked forgiveness.. lots of Bible verses have been taken to the extreme..
wanting his Daughter, who was already walking in such shame, to not have to endure the scrutiny.. a lot of Parents still don’t report because of that.. a kid could be suicidal, and not emotionally strong enough to go before their abuser..
My cousin worked in this field.. for almost 40 years.. even in my late teens, I had NO IDEA, this stuff existed..
I get questioning her father.. and the why.. just trying to explain the mindset.. if someone else had reported, the police would have been involved..
Christians need to stop with idolizing Pastors, Christian musicians.. ugh.. and we also need to start being more aware.. and use common sense.. Church is one of the worst places for Predators, and the Internet! Just because someone says and looks amazing, is charismatic, etc.. doesn’t mean they are people of character… we need to stop assuming.. 😢
As soon as anyone at the church became aware of "this is a child", Robert Morris should have been turned over to law enforcement. This is not optional, its complicity, regardless of any intent to "restore". The restoration should have been for the victim, not the perpetrator.
ROBERT MORRIS EXCUSE WAS THAT THE 12 YO WAS A JEZEBEL! MORRIS SAYS THAT IS WHY HE INSERTED HIS FINGERS INTO A 12 YO PRIVATES! HE DIDN'T HAVE THE STRENGHT TO RESIST HER TEMPTATION! LOCK HIM UP!
Exactly!!!!! Church it's so messed up, most of the times. I heard SO MANY sexual abusers in the church, protected by the church bc fear of what "people think" if the truth get to the public...they care more of the reputation of the church than the victims and what's right 😢
Legal consequences are outlined in the Old Testament. When Christianity walked away from the Old Testament, focused only on the Gospel of John, down playing the Gospel of Matthew and thinking God is a push over they have cursed that religion. Obviously, the group that tossed Cindy under the bus inspite of statuatory rape are far more in love with their church than in love with God. Too much mercy works against Justice, something many Christians stubbornly remain blind to.
They are mandated reporters!!! Where is the reporting of the sexual abuse of a child? If the church leaders failed to comply with the law and report the sexual abuse, they need to be charged with conspiracy and face charges for child endangerment!
Will do whatever it takes to keep that government money.
Cindy did the right thing for not signing the NDA. Bravery.
Instead of approaching him for money why doesn't she go.to the states attorney and file.criminal.charges? Then if he convicted she can file.civil.charges to get money from him officially.
@@mverderaime Past the statue of limitations.
A statute of limitations on pedos is the worst thing to exist. This should be abolished.
@@rexbeavers6746 Highly agree. The current laws do not have statutes in this type of case but it’s not retroactive.
Cindy is the real hero here. She has taken the high road and spoken truth. She gives hope to those who have not yet spoken of their own abuse.
Anyone who touches or abuses a child should be very scared of the wrath of God. There is nothing as vile or evil.
I was physically and sexually abused as a child, I haven’t seen my abusers face justice.
Amen 🙏
@@MsUa125 I was physically and verbally abused by my father (he broke my wrist when I was a baby), with the last incident when I was 27 when he hit me. I ended our relationship,a and life improved, as he was unrepentant. He lived to a ripe old age of 96, and was miserable - he hated everybody and everything, but he has to face the justice of God if he has not truly repented - that will be a dreadful and fearful thing.
@@MsUa125 they will receive their just punishment if they do not repent
It bad for these men that are unrepentant before God. You would think that they know what the Bible says about unrepentant sin. And you should never be able to be a pastor again. This what happens to a man that not humble before Jesus the closer a man thinks he to God the further they become. Stay humble before the lord knowing there is a way that seems right in a man eye but the end is destruction.
Not all charismatics are bad. Be careful what you say. This issue isn't about what side you are on. I grew up in a Baptist Church, and the exact same thing happened to me. Sin is sin and needs to be addressed. We need to stop putting people on pedestals.
I have seen the most legalistic people at baptist church, indeed. That’s why I stop going to church now. 😢
@@sabrinaliu66 I pray you’re able to find a good, biblical church. God commands it because fellowship is necessary and healthy. Much love ❤
Amen
@@sabrinaliu66Never let people or a religion stop you from finding the right Church, and especially don't let it hinder your relationship with God. That's why God says do not put your trust in man- put your trust in the Lord.
@@sabrinaliu66Please try and find a loving church community. The Lord Himself will direct you to a new church home if you ask Him. 🙏🏽
I believe that God is cleansing the bride of Christ by disclosing the filthy secrets. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
It does feel that way
I think you are right on!
I'm not sure if He's cleaning His bride...I think He already did, but it looks to me that He's taking care of the victims by allowing everything to come to light....I'm preety sure that the Holly Spirit was and is continually whispering to these victims for years to step up and bring these to the light...it takes years to gain the courage, and I'm sure Jesus is happy...bc HE CARES of each and every victim!
In part yes. But the true bride of Christ will be purified and cleaned through the great tribulation. What you are seeing now is God purging satanic pastors and their multitude of followers out and giving them over to their god Satan in preparation for the great falling away.
Agree, the Lord is refining and purging his Church!
Morris keeps preaching we are robbing God if we don’t tithe, yet he robbed this woman of a pure childhood! 🤬
Amen
I'd like my money back. I gave after being gas lit. I don't need it back from anyone but when former pastor Morris preached.
@@simplyred9980 wow God knows you gave money and that is good on you, but to want to take it back? are you a Christian?
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Who said we need to “tithe” that’s OT they lied to us to get rich
Pedophiles do not stop offending. I would bet my last dime that there are other victims. Gateway should start an investigation. The elders of Shady Grove should have turned him over to the police. This is what Rome did for centuries. They were wrong and Shady Grove was wrong
Hopefully the police is investigating the church quite closely.
I was thinking the same!
It should be Ken Paxton starting an investigation on Robert Morris.
They're isn't but we need to make enough noise to get an investigation.
Gateway leadership has commissioned an independent investigation of the situation.
Praying God will continue to drag out the evil in all our churches and correct all of us so we can all get back in the right relationship with You through Your Son! Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
Judgment will come first to the House of God...
Yes. And I hope more girls go forward and tell there story.
He will God will
@@davidcrouch1001 1 Peter 4:17 🌍🙏😔
The mega church model was broken from the start. You can’t have one guy at the top “accountable” to a bunch of guys who are basically his friends and underlings, nevermind the fact that he should’ve been disqualified in his 20s when this first happened.
Spreading the gospel is not a business.
I attended (and worked at) a Megachurch for many many years. Looking back over all the things I chose to overlook makes me sick to my stomach and sad. I loved the pastors. But yes, the board and pastors were thick as thieves and took away the memberships’ decision making ability. After that, I lost trust and left.
Yes.
Rubber stamps.
But at the time we're referencing, this man didn't have a megachurch. Why so much bitterness?
@@opekatakata1424 She was 12. Get your head checked.
@@opekatakata1424- because this abuse happened 42 to 37 years ago… Within 3 years of the elders learning about how Robert phrased it, “an inappropriate relationship” with a young lady, they made him an Elder. They church did know that Morris was married with a child when his Clergy Sexual Grooming & Abuse took place. They definitely knew and made him an Elder!! Morris is a very persuasive speaker & gifted at getting people to tithe… if he had worked at a law firm he would’ve been called The Rainmaker.
Thank you to you both! You clearly stated it was rape and evil on every level. Robert calls it " inappropriate, moral failure " but you both stood up and called it what it is. Thank you for speaking the truth.
When he says, she was flirtatious, seductive, and has the Jezabel spirit, he is not taking responsibility. He is blaming the victim.
If she was flirtatious etc. it probably was because she wasn't getting the healthy attention a daughter needs from her father. BTY where was her dad and mom for 4 years.
@margaretsmith4396 It doesn't matter who her parents are. He was the adult. He is responsible for his actions.
@@margaretsmith4396 I strongly doubt his words. Nevertheless, a child cannot be blamed for "inviting" him as abuser anyway. He is solely responsible for the crime he committed.
Face it, she had NO "jesabel" Spirit, she wasn't flirtatious, Robert Morris is an EVIL PREDATOR and a lying false teacher
Robert hurt not only the Victim & Family..& Church.. but his Own Children!! They have to live with this for the Rest of their lives!! I’m Sure this has hurt them deeply..& traumatized them!! It’s All So Heartbreaking!!!😭💔🙏🙏🙏
….. or was his curse passed on to them without them ever knowing where it came from.
@@Xy-oo2smthat's absolute nonsense.
I wonder if there are other victims yet to come forward
@@ahm3096 Why so? Abuse causes curses, this already say old Celtic sources.
I blame her parents just as much as the church leadership. A neighbor raped my daughter when she was 11 years old and she told no one for years!! When she was in her early twenties, she was drunk and it spilled out. Just listening to this brings back all that anger that I felt when I found out what happened to my daughter.
The Lord commands us to forgive and as Christians we have to. BUT forgiveness does not take the place of punishment. When I was a child and I disobeyed my parents they forgave me but I still had to face the consequences. When David committed adultery with Bathsheba and killed her husband God forgave him and he was still considered a man after God's own heart. BUT God punished David by taking his baby. My point is the parents should have gone to the police whether the church liked it or not. Not only did their daughter deserve justice, but also to protect other children. If you let a child get away with something once, sometimes they are extremely grateful and never commit that wrong again. But sometimes they will do the wrong again because they got away with it the first time. Adults can be the same way. So it begs the question - how many others have been harmed by this man that no one knows about???
HER PARENTS LOVED THEIR CHURCH AND TOOK IN PASTOR MORRIS AND HIS WIFE! WHO COULD EVEN IMAGINE HE WOULD BE PENETRATING THEIR 12 YO DAUGHTER WITH HIS FINGERS! WHEN THE GIRL TOLD HER PARENTS 4 YEARS LATER THEY WENT TO THE CHURCH AND TOLD WHAT HAPPENED! PASTOR MORRIS SAID THE 12 YO WAS A JEZEBEL!
Exactly
God expects us to forgive but I’m certain He expects us to defend and protect the children. God bless you 🙏
So you also know that as a parent (just like Cindy's parents who learned about this after 5 years and complained to their church to remove Mr. Morris or report him to authorities; the church let him undergo a 2-yr. retraining) that your child may not tell you what had happened to them until years after - it isn't easy for a child to understand this.
So correct. As a elementary age girl, I am personally experienced with the fear. As a 20 yr. old, I was raped at gun point. Thanks to God, the gun didn't fire when he pulled the trigger twice. Please don't delay in getting judicial and emotional help. God's believers are available.
Thank you for not normalizing child predators and other sins within the Church!! My heart goes out to the victim! Glad she's speaking out so this wont happen again!!
@elisamolia9909 Sadly, it will happen again, but not to Cindy and, hopefully, not at Gateway Church. Furthermore, I hope that other churches see in this case a blueprint of how NOT to act in cases such as these.
I agree.
She’s speaking out after 35 years how convenient!
James 2:13
King James Version
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
@@DianeJarvis-f1o
James 2:13
King James Version
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
If my husband was with a 12 year old girl and didn't divorce him, she is complicity and criminal as well.
It’s been reported that Morris wife told Cindy that she forgave her! Can you imagine an innocent child being told she’s forgiven, can you imagine the confusion! Complicent times 1000,
@@IMOO1896 I read that about Morris's wife as well. The abuse of Cindy Cleminshire by the adults in her life is an abomination. Also, I will never understand why her parents didn't report this crime to the police.
@laurenmay2098 Amen to that. Definitely Biblical grounds for divorce. It would be necessary to protect my own children.
@@jenna868I don’t think they wanted to put another bad light on the church. That was around the time of the Bakker and Swaggert scandals.
@@annchovey2089they couldn't care less about the reputation of the church. Their actions were totally and completely self serving.
I’m saddened and shocked I looked up to Robert Morris I prayed for the victim as well as Robert and now my prayer is for the congregation to find peace in all this truth being exposed and give them discernment on what they hear 🙏
35 yrs ago he stepped down for 2 yrs and is now is being shot again.
I hate all of this. How many more are out there. Lord I pray you show us all the wolves out there. Forgive me listening to this man.
I sympathize with the victim and pray she will find healing through forgiveness in her heart. God commands us to forgive as He forgives us! If we do not, He will not forgive us.
This situation occurred 40 years ago. I understand Robert Morris admitted his wrong and asked forgiveness from her and her father in their presence. He repeated and admitted to his elders and the church of his infidelity. True he did not reveal her age.
In his sermons he has shared his struggles in different areas and how God helped him overcome them.
Every profound figure in the Bible had sins. God still used them.
I also look at the enormous growth in his church even several campuses. I believe this is God's blessing through Robert Morris.
My question is this, who has secrets of their own? God does not distinquish levels of sin. If you break one you break them all.
Jesus said "He who is without sin throw the first stone." And asked the prostitute where are her accusers. Her reply was there are none. His reply was, "NEITHER DO I CONDEMN YOU."
If we repent and ask forgiveness God will forgive us and will remember them no more.
Why did this woman, after 40 years, come and ask for money ? She was attempting to bribe him by revealing this abuse if he did not pay.
Is this right?
We are all sinners saved by grace thats why we should never put our trust and belief fully in a person. They are fallible.
Praying about all of this. God knows the whole truth. I do not have the Right to judge. I have the Right to Pray. Praying For Pastor Robert, his family and all involved. Jesus.@@carolynbohannon4602
I need help. I was molested as a virgin at 15 by a man who befriended me and my family and exploited my love of horses. I was in my 50s when I came to a devastating understanding that my parents had been “selling” me to this man. While I reported this to local police in painstaking detail they did nothing and my home state of California police did nothing claiming it was past the statute of limitations. I feel that no one has ever stood up for me or truth my entire life and my predator has victimized young women for over 40 years and currently has a very young Philippine woman in his possession today! I want him to be held accountable before he dies. Please help me find truth and Justice.
@thewordrappergma7713actually that’s not true, the woman who Robert Morris victimized has passed the statute of
Limitations. That is why he’s not able to be charged criminally anymore. However the statute of limitations doesn’t apply for civil lawsuits which is what she is currently pursuing. She is in her 50’s now and can’t pursue criminal charges unfortunately.
“For child sexual abuse victims in Texas, the statute of limitations is 30 years and does not begin to toll until the victim turns 18. In other words, the victim can file a lawsuit until they turn 48.”
He will be held accountable. There may be nothing you can do criminally but God will have justice in this matter. You could also sue him in civil court.
@@Papaspronator I believe that you are partially correct, but I believe that the statute of limitations for civil suit has expired as well. The statute of limitations for criminal charges was different in the 1980s - it was a much shorter period of time - so it has expired. They have since changed the law and now there is no limitation for continuous Child.SA to my understanding.
Contact the Justine Peters Ministry and ask them to guide you. Apparently, they seem to care about this type of horrendous sin and how it must be addressed.
@@jeanne89 Justin Peters -yes!
As the parent of a son who was the victim of sexual abuse by a pastor/evangelist at age 12, this hits home HARD for me, and I am completely sickened. My son’s abuser is now in prison. Robert Morris should also serve time for his crimes.
And James Robison also needs to step down from his “ministry”.
I am curious to see if we will see any statements from Glenn Beck, Kari Jobe, and other prominent figures who are tied to Morris and Gateway.
Glenn Beck spoke about it on his program Monday
And good for you for reporting it to the police! Why did her parents not do that??? 😮
what do you know about James Robison?
Where are the outcrys from leaders in the body of Christ?? Silence is unreal!
@@RobertGareau-z2bJames Robison hired Morris to work for him after Morris stepped down for a month & then took a job as a security guard. He hated the mundane security guard job. Robison gave Morris the title of evangelist & knew what Morris did. I think Robison was part of the Shady Grove Church leadership. Not sure on the exact details.
I applaud this man for his honesty and righteous anger over what moral failure and lack of accountability was done at the hand of a sick man who went on far too long without consequences!
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Let’s say she was flirtatious.. SHE IS STILL 12! 12 year olds have crushes for crying out loud but the responsibility is still entirely his because he was an adult. This is just so sick. And this is the danger of churches acting more like businesses and frankly, like “boys clubs”.
She knew nothing of sex at the time. He asked her to come to his room later bc he "wanted to talk to her." She was groomed from there on. He completely lied about her being "flirtatious" when he was the one at fault. Disgusting.
I didn’t become a school teacher because kids find me charming.
@@GameChanger597Good thing she didn’t become pregnant.
An adult ?!!! He was married at 19!!!! so an adult is 19 years old, are you living in America? Before you leave a comment or even watch the clips the dude said that he was 19 maybe your ears need to be cleaned. Also, do you even read the Bible? Do you even comment all the good things that Pastor Robert has done? Oh yes, and you’re so perfect. Let the person who don’t sin cast the first stone.
I have so much respect for the pastor you are interviewing! Thank you for representing the righteous anger a true Christian man should have over predatory sexual abuse. It’s a representation of Christ’s heart.
I definitely appreciate his honesty but I don't like that he called Todd White low-hanging fruit and a heretic and every other woman who spread the gospel by preaching. He sounds a bit legalistic in his views.
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Thank you Steve and Justin in taking a stand for righteousness by exposing this wicked deceiver. As a counselor, I’ve worked with many women who were sexually abused as children. Because of the intimacy God designed for sexuality, abuse creates a shameful, soul wound that is very difficult to heal. The scars remain tender. I’m praying for Cindy. She’s a brave woman who has finally been heard. May God comfort her heart and strengthen her in all ways.
Amen, I also work as a counsellor and have witnessed the brokenness of women who were abused as children. They had no voice, no choice and I guess like you, it is our privilege to lead them through their brokenness to find that voice and for some, to find comfort in the Lord. May God bless us all who are working with broken people, that we are safe houses for those who struggle with trauma that has been ignored or pushed aside so that they can move forward and find some kind of resolution.
I worry that actions such as these coming from pastors or church leaders throws the victims in the opposite direction from Christianity. I pray they all find their way to Jesus and salvation.
@@molossergirl2 I thank God for people such as you and the other counsellor above for the emotionally wrenching job that you do. May God bless you both richly.
@@christalone0188 I agree; in this case, though, she has gone on with the Lord and is doing her best to draw attention to this sort of abuse which takes place in churches. She is a very courageous and Godly woman. No thanks to her perpetrator or her church, which should have both protected her and other young girls/women in the church, and seen to it that justice was done.
We do not have enough duely trained victim's advocates, counselors or support groups to cover the numbers of victims and survivors who need services. Be careful, not all counselors are equal. Christian counselors are biased and often approach victims with the hidden agenda of the denomination they represent. My advice is to seek out a neutral, third party outside the church. Contact your local family crisis center, guardian ad litem office, or even most police departments have a sex crimes victim's advocate on staff.
All truth will come to light. AND we should pray for all involved. All of our hearts are wicked, every one…and God loves us still and wants us to repent and come to Him.
Robert Morris is the reason why your personal relationship with God is more important than your relationship with the pastor. RM was about to retire, but he told a big lie. Now God has exposed the lie, and hopefully, the elders will make decisions based on the Bible and not how popular a pastor is. God is still on the throne. I pray RM's behavior does not make people doubt God. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are real. Too bad humans are fallible.
I agree completely
This is such an important point. People have and continue to put Robert, (a MAN and NOT a Pastor God would recognize) on a pedestal. It is scary how many still support him. The bigger RM has gotten the worse it is that he is in fact a charleton who is idolized. He said he was 'saved in a motel room at 19. He also said he sold drugs in the church parking lots. No theology school, not ordained. How does someone like him become a preacher at 19? I'm trying to understand just what people have been following at all?
Unfortunately, the pastors who knew about Morris' sin and placed him in ministry saw Morris as an opportunity to advance themselves, because they saw the popularity of Robert Morris. I believe this is a common factor in all of the apostate churches.
@amisam8176 It is certainly a common feature of mega-churches, most of whom teach name it and claim it. They make me truly sick how they have enriched themselves off the backs of their gullible, often needy, congregations.
Indeed it is! They don’t have that narcissistic charisma, so in this way they will receive some the “ anointing” by staying “ close” and loyal to the pastor. It’s so disgusting and far from what’s healthy and normal!
Exactly, Exactly, Exactly
Fame and power such greed
This is very common tactic. Many denominations are guilty of this. They know that their main guy is wrong on many doctrinal issues yet they never call him out on it, because it would seem status and paycheck override their desire for truth.
Gosh, I can hear the conviction in this man's voice. Completely unfiltered comments about the character of Robert Morris and yet so very satisfying to hear Christ followers unafraid to speak the TRUTH and not hide behind a veil of fear of protecting the name of a famous pastor. We do not have time to play games this very day; we need truth now more than ever. Robert Morris is no different than any one of us. Irrespective of your role, title, position in any church, you are under the laws of this land. At the time of offense, if RM was found culpable, he should have been criminally charged. No question about it.
Yes and I wonder why he wasnt...or still isn't. Something doesn't smell right.
This video was very difficult for me to watch. I was sexually abused before I was 5. It set me up to later be abused by other men. My mother let one man around my sister and I and never believed us because he babysat us. Then, once again, a pedophile moved in and she was happy to let us stay with him and his wife.. They fed us and clothed us while abusing me. His wife knew too. Why she didn't stop it, I don't know.
I got psychological help at 38 and I spent 5 years getting over most of the damage. I still have to struggle with the abuse as I encounter situations reminiscent of the past. This week the rapes and murders by the illegals migrants have wrecked havoc with me.
Listening to this almost makes me want to not go to any church but I don't think Robert Morris was in a real church. I listen to Justin to be informed....thank you Justin. I just remembered that when someone told me they liked him, I watched once but something didn't seem right so I never watched again.
Christians NEED to read the Word for themselves and listen to Good people like R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, The Gospel of Christ with John Henry!!!!!
Apparently, you do NOT believe that God forgives.
@shepherdpeter God's forgiveness has nothing to do with obeying the laws of the land (Roman's 13)...you break the law you have to suffer the consequences. Completely seperate from God's forgiveness. The law of sowing and reaping. No where in the Bible does it say you can commit a crime and so long as God.forgives you you don't have to suffer the consequences imposed by the law. And if he is blaming the victim for being seductive...at 12!.....and not admitting to what he did that was rape...then he's not truly repentant and God won't forgive him. "If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Notice the word "confess". Hes not confessing to what he actually did...he obfuscating. If everything said in this video is true....have to consider this guy may have a vendetta against Robert Morris and may be exaggerating...none of us know for sure...unless you're in hisnchurch and heard exactly what he said....
@@mverderaime I’m ex GW. We were never told that he SA’d a 12 year old for 4 years! We were told he had numerous affairs and was sexually promiscuous as a teenager and early 20’s. That’s not disclosure - that was deceptive and manipulative to the congregation!
My God help all the members of Gateway who were unaware of the pastors crimes and sins. Help them not to stop serving the Lord in Jesus name I pray. Amen.
Yes!! This can be so disillusioning. Lord, hold them close. Please, Jesus.
@@juliecranford534 Yes, it is discouraging, however more towards a Church, not with Padre God, HIS Begotten Son our Saviour & the Holy Spirit. Padre God be Praised for YT & other online sources. As much as there is darkness in Technology, even YT & all other resources have darkness. No matter what the Light of our Saviour manages to reach us. Padre God for HIS mercy. Peace be with us all 🙏. "Isa"
Go to a small church , stay away from these huge impersonal churches
@@selah4719They're not fellowships with one another, they are stage shows to attend.
They are not fellowships, they are stage shows
I went to Shady Grove Church back then when he was an elder Robert Morris. This all makes me so sick. One of my best friends I was a bridesmaid for got married there by the choir Director, who was ordained. He ended up having an affair with one of his choir members and was forced to confess before the whole church one night. While his wife sat in the congregation crying. At the time I thought this is really awkward with all these children in the congregation listening to this. I also work for Kenneth ministries before that for almost 4 years. I truly believe there’s way more to the story and a pedophile doesn’t quit and can’t be reformed. In my opinion. I believe there is very recent activities. And these preachers are going to go down. Sex child trafficking wait-and-see. I’ve heard people talk about being involved in these trafficking rings and a lot of these pastors are very much involved. I know nobody wants to hear that people are going to be so shocked. Maybe it’ll be the great fallen away who knows. But Robert Morris did way more in my opinion than 40 years ago. There’s probably more people at his church that were involved as well. The truth always comes out eventually Let’s see what happens.
Yep. I believe that there will be more preachers tied to sax trafficking. It is funny/ not funny that p Diddy got arrested and then preachers stepping.down afterward. That is my feelings. But I will pray for them all, regardless.
"Shady" indeed.
For Debbie Morris to call and say "I forgive you" makes me sick to my stomach. How dare she do such an evil thing? But she will blame shift and say Robert made me do it.... she's is as evil as her pedophile husband! I am so thankful that Cindy kept exposing this, took way too long for someone to listen. I am praying for Cindy and her family, and that others will come forward.
She reminds me of Hilary Clinton. She tried to spin the rapes Bill did back onto the victims.
Debbie was probably hurt she was not asked to join a "Trinity Threesome". What a bunch of hypocrites.
Money, money, money. The wife is living the "Blessed Life" I am praying for the grandchildren as well.
I am a SA survivor as well and so appreciate the support yall are giving for truth and for victims
What does SA mean?
Sexual assault
Thank you for speaking out on this. I'm tired of women and children not being protected in the Church.
Me too!
DON'T FORGET THE MEN!! WE HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND RAPED ALSO!
Because it is run by men!!!😮😢
@@nancybrantley9694 The Church is supposed to be shepherded by men....good men of God. 1 Timothy 3:2
Patrick Weaver talks about this a LOT.
I’m glad Steve mentioned - why wasn’t something done to restore/provide counseling to the 12 year old child that was raped/molested for 4 1/2 years! Was she taken under the wing of the church and given counseling? It doesn’t sound like it. This is also a crime of that church as well as rhe perpetrator Robert Morris.
Ditto
I completely agree with everything you said except for the that she should have had counseling from the church. Church counselors are not certified counselors with degrees. They are self-appointed and what she needs is a real counselor or a professional psychiatrist OUTSIDE of the church where there is no bias
@@GameChanger597 Agreed - I didn’t say she should have had counseling from the church. I said in effect, did the church take her under their wing and provide counseling, meaning - the church did nothing for the victim of this crime. And the grooming and rape were done in secret using God and the church to perpetrate an innocent child even further.
I have family who work at Robert Morris’s church. They haven’t been online since this came out. They also have worked for Kenneth Copeland. I pray this opens their eyes.
Did they work at the call center or Eagle Mtn Church?
Need to get away from false teachers like them. Nothing but prosperity and trying to steal money from you.
Kenneth Copeland is a successful man of God and has made so much money over the years. His TV show is worth millions! Money has to be the sign of success.
Shut up.
@@wlknonsonshine No, not the call center
Being victimized like this not only steals your innocence but it causes you to have self lothing and low self-esteem. I was six and it didn't end till I was eight. In my case it was my own father. It took me till I was 30 to forgive him. The Lord Jesus is amazing and His love is perfect. All glory to God for His goodness.🙌❤️
I’m so sorry!
@dubyredburndarling6334 It is heart breaking to hear of what you suffered. I am so glad that you have been able to trust and lean on Jesus' love, which is perfect. May God continue to bless you richly!
Sex abuse, sexual assault, rape, domestic violence is death to the soul. It leaves a distorted view of God as Father, especially if a childs father or grandfather, preacher or priest is the abuser. Just about every Christian culture covers up these crimes, and the errant pastors get shuffled around to other unsuspecting churches. Sexual assault on the Native American Reservations is just as bad. the Tribal councils do not allow outside law enforcement involved in it. The Amish communities are notorious for covering up child abuse.
This is so heartbreaking, I'm so sorry , I was rapped and molested and when I told about it , I wasn't taken seriously and so I kept it to myself and I definitely feel the way that you said, it also effect my marriage 💔
I understand & hurt for you! ... then JESUS💜yes...
I was a victim of sexual assault in the early 60s as a child and then became anti-christianity until I was in prison in 1980 I got saved while locked up and never committed another crime again and now I teach the Bible to others and whenever I meet people who have been victims I try to counsel them and lead them to godly people that can also help them
GOD BLESS YOU !!!!
God bless you!!!
What a great turnaround! Proud of you!
❤️❤️❤️🙌🙌🙌
@@lr287 sounds a lot like my walk before Christ, I was locked up when I got saved
Thank you Mr La Blanc for being a whistle blower and telling these facts. Thank you for being angry. Above all thank you for protecting more children!
I was abused at the age of 4. When I disclosed 12 years later he went to prison at the age of 72. Lock him up that’s where he belongs and I love how seriously everyone is taking this. The courage it takes to speak without certainty of the response is immense. Great job, Cindy.
I really appreciate the video and am praying for Cindy -- just don't feel like praying for M/M Morris, hopefully I can pray for them by faith one day, that is an evil couple and they sure need prayer 😢
@StacyA406 I am so sorry, Stacy, that you suffered this. And you are right that many victims don't come forward because they are frightened that they might not be taken seriously, or worse, are blamed themselves. Furthermore, so many victims of sexual abuse are unable to articulate their experiences because of wrongly placed feelings of guilt and shame. Everyone who is a Believer should be taking this seriously and particularly church leaders and elders. Some of the comments in this thread make me so angry that I could slap them.
How could Cindy’s parents not have done more to get justice for their child and prevent Morris from serving in a church, or anywhere else where children were present?
They DID do a lot.No one took it that serious from what i understood.Her parents were angry and threatened Robert Morris to step out of ministry.
@@twstephanie50He committed a crime against thief daughter. They should have gone to the police. I would have.
Morris did a sermon called "Room 12. In the sermon, Morris admitted he preyed on several girls who had broken relationships with their fathers. This was not the only girl Morris did this act to. Morris is a monster.
He was talking about when he was in high school. It's bad enough without you trying to make it appear worse.
@@Here12yearsyou are assuming there are no others, hopefully there are no others, but sex offenders usually have multiple victims.
@@karenmurphy8790 I'm just praying for all involved.
So preying on young girls when you’re a teenager is somehow better? He also said he stopped when he got saved around 18. Guess not.
Yep predatory. He admitted his scheme.
Not holding these people accountable to the full extent of the law does nothing but more damage. I see the righteous anger in Steve’s face. This is what the unsaved world needs to see in response to this mess.
I grew up in a church and at 13 the pastors son aged 32-35 groomed
Me. His wife blamed me. I held it in all these years. Now at 35, I realize I was a child. I hope one day I can speak up publicly. I am sure there were many more victims
I'm very sorry
Good word guys
The wife is just as evil. God bless you.
Those elders guilty of COVERUP OF THIS crime are COMPLICIT
I wonder if they help the child with therapy, but I bet money they didn't. But cuddled him, it is sickening.
@@laurenmay2098they offered her $25,000 if she signed a nondisclosure agreement. Disgraceful.
Anyone involved in or in on the cover- up is complicit.
Absolutely!!
@@teresadavis2328 Good on her that she refused
I attended a church I loved very much until it was disclosed that the pastor had been living a double life - had a whole other family (with children) with another woman in another state for 9 YEARS. He stepped down but I had to leave because I lost trust in all of the other leadership because there's no way they didn't know about that - not for 9 years. It was heartbreaking and many others left, too. Today, I don't think there are many people still there that were members at that time. It made it very hard for me to join another church for a very long time.
I would not compare that situation with Robert Morris. This man is being thrown under the bus and there will be consequences for those people, not Morris. All these replies against Morris are appalling. They have become a demonic lynch squad. Don’t side with them.
Her parents didn't take the proper steps as well. Her parents should have report it to the authorities before the church. The father also protected the church over his daughter.
@BWayofLife - have you listened to the details of this interview??
@@dawnzimmerman6818 Did you listened to the details of the interview?? Stamp the time where her parents reported it to the police. They never did. What her father did was say he needed to stop preaching which he did and he went through recovery for two years. Robert said, the father gave him permission to preach again and she said her father didn't. Stop being in denial. Her parents FIRST had the responsibility to report it to the police and they didn't. If they would have done it. He would have gone to jail.
Well said Steve.
Thank you so much for presenting this righteous anger toward this horrible SIN. More people like you are needed to stand up for the abused ones who have no voice.
Everything hidden in secret will be revealed and brought to light. We see it happening ! Thank you Lord for exposing these charlatans.
Yes after listening to this I am kinda stunned ...I just didn't realize and I feel differently after hearing the real Truth I pray Robert Repents is Truthful to God , to Himself and to His family God is Merciful He will forgive Him, but I really pray for Cindy that she gets the Help to heal and I am sorry for judging her before I even knew the truth I do have some thoughts as to why her parents did not turn this into the police office immediately?...It was there baby girl ...I mean common.
Who the Son sets free is free indeed. Sin is sin, and we are all guilty of it. Some have telephone poles in their own eyes while they are pointing out some sawdust in others. Have you been forgiven? If you can't forgive a brother, the Father does not have to forgive you.
This was a sin in Robert Morris's life that was committed 20 years ago. He has repented and been forgiven and delivered
God doesn't bring up our past sins ! He forgives us and remembers them no more! He doesn't slap them in our face everytime we turn around! We are not better than God!!! He forgave , we gotta forgive! They should have spoke up about this years ago!!! Why did they wait all these years????????
There's no excuse!!!!!!!!
These parents are at fault for not speaking up about this when it happened!!! Shame on them!!!!
Why would we not look at that picture!
@@brendastills9666Robert didn't reveal the victim was underage. He called her a young lady...that's why.
My son and his wife are followers of this man... please pray for them and others who have been hoodwinked.
Trust me. The more we know the more we want police involved. This should have happened years ago. There is no statute of limitations in Texas for "S3xuall abuse". I'm waiting to hear that he has been arrested. The whole thing is painful for us.
Don't leave the lord over this go to another church
@@diannbajewicz8952 No plans to leave the Lord.
At least now they can save money and hear the real gospel.
@@centariprime9959not for cases prior to 2007
I was a member of Gateway. I'm glad I left. Robert had gotten so prosperity preachy that I was uncomfortable there. I never met him. That church was huge even 15 years ago when I left. I pray he truly repents and God's will be done in this situation.
Its all utterly appalling and contemptible. The fact that Robert Morris abused someone so young for years, then covered it up with the help of so-called elders, and then they lied in concert to silence the victim as the offender.
And this was done under the guise of a church, its so awful!
They must all be held fully accountable, everyone who knew.
@grantkruger689 Absolutely agree! Not only is the original crime contemptible, but so was the way the Elders handled the case. It has not only brought them and their church into disrepute, but the whole Church of God.
Daystar knew I'm sure too.
I agree!! They All knew and did not do the RIGHT THING TO PROTECT THIS LITTLE GIRL OR OTHERS!!!!!!!
Why do u say daystar knew@@jnc1028
@@nanettechapko5867 because he is great friends with Joni etc & it was not a secret with leaders.
Unbelievable the audacity of Robert Morris and his wife! Thanks, Justin, for calling it like it is. God bless you, brother.
Right what did Debbie know. How could’ve woman of Our Heavenly Father do nothing much less what she said. She’s complicit as well. No women would believe a 12 year old seduced a 21 year man. Ugh.
@@JesussavesloveHim correct !
@@JesussavesloveHim
What did the her parents say? What did they agree to?
J@@djcoolrule
The saddest part of this is that her parents didn’t have him arrested
Exactly what I was thinking! They were probably indoctrinated by the elders telling them God would handle it & that Christians aren’t suppose to take other Christians to court. That’s what they like to say bc it is in the Bible but real repentance includes acknowledging what your sin is in front of the church & making it right with your victim not hiding behind closed doors pretending it’s her fault!
THAT WAS THE PRESSURE THE CHURCH PUT ON THEM AS THEY WERE LOYAL PARISHIONERS! THEY DID GO TO THE CHURCH AND WAS TOLD THAT THEIR 12 YO DAUGHTER WAS A JEZEBEL! WHAT YOU HAVE THEN IS CLERGY OF A RICH MEGA CHURCH VS A 12 YO JEZEBEL! WOULD YOU PUT YOUR 12 YO DAUGHTER WHO PLAYS WITH DOLLS THROUGH THAT? THE GREATER CHURCH WOULD SHUN HER!
That’s what I’m not understanding! There should have been erupting smoke in the city going on! All those who knew including his family(wife Debbie) should be prosecuted as well. If a complete stranger inflicted this kind of harm on any one of their children, they wouldn’t have kept it hush hush, police would’ve been involved IMMEDIATELY! So why not on him the word Pastor is just a title he still a man, obviously. Liar
I agree. But, at what point did they know? Has that come out?
When she was 16 the parents knew about it.
Thank you, Brother Justin, for contending for the faith. This breaks my heart that the world looks at Christianity as a joke and this behavior just feeds into the world's view of Christianity.
This is what happens when God's Word is mocked and changed to suit man's ways. And when church leaders do not teach God's Word, but choose, instead, to teach a feel-good-new-age kind of message that is devoid of repentance and the need for Jesus.
Please come soon, Lord Jesus. 🙏
Praise God for your courage, bro Steve. Several prophets have prophesied that many spiritual giants will fall from grace this year 2024. I believe more will be exposed.
Amen!
It's very important to know through this devastation news:
For young believers who are new to faith ~ please discriminate and separate who GOD is from man. Because man is a failure and yes, some not trusted.
Separate your faith from the church. Seek YAH for true believers to be with and pray for guidance to discern those not walking in truth.
Hear from the Holy Spirit and take time to hear.
Because your life will be directed in the right way.
You said a lot when you said "God's Word is mocked and changed." I have studied this out a lot. People are reading bibles that do not condemn sins in people's lives or point out sins.
They have no power. The Words of God have been changed. This will make some mad, but the NIV is one of them.
@@o0o_OutCast_o0oI believe you.
Thank you for coming forward to clarify this issue.
Father, i lift up all those involved and complicit in this issue that You would bring them to true repentance. Rend their heart that they would completely surrender to You. In Jesus name. Amen
"Grace and mercy does not mean you are required to go back into ministy"
Amen!
It is written But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.
Not just for certain sin. All sin.
Justin Peters, I'm so thankful that your #1 Loyalty is always to God. It is heartbreaking how many "christian" media and publications are "soft-pedaling" this, and NOT holding these men ACCOUNTABLE. Come, Lord Jesus, Come Soon!
Luv him...but still taking Lord's name in vain...quite often.
@@tamsintarshish3905He doesn’t. Not sure where they’re pulling that from because Peters neither cusses nor does he speak deceitfully on God’s behalf.
He pulls down all spiritual leaders be they male or female. He has a chip on his shoulder. He never says anything positive of any spiritual leader or preacher. Just follow his videos!!!! Probably he missed the opportunity to preach. He is a very bitter person.
Sorry...Jordan Peterson..not Justin...ever.
I go (went) to Gateway. Thank you for speaking out and helping me see the truth. We are devastated and newer believers. Please pray we find another church that is true to the Bible and Jesus.
I highly recommend Countryside Bible Church in Southlake. Please go give them a visit.
I have visited Countryside Bible Church several times. It is excellent! They teach the Bible verse by verse. I wish I lived nearer to Southlake so I could attend there weekly! Grace & peace! ❤️🙏✝️
Full Gospel Holy Temple is a Bible believing church. I would recommend visiting there as well.
Just remember don't put noone on a pedestal
@@nicoleashleyj Full Gospel Holy Temple appears to be another New Apostolic Reformation and Pentecostal / Charismatic style church. It may be smaller, but the doctrine appears to be similar to Gateway Church.
This is so heartbreaking.
Prayers for Cindy, her family, and all the victims of sexual assault.
Wow! You are so spot on! I have a perpetrator that hasn’t taken responsibility for his actions but continues to give spiritual guidance with lofty words! Everyone needs to hear this!
Lord I pray for all those involved and I pray your will be done in their lives. Help your people continue to seek you with all their hearts regardless of men who try to bring a separation of your church. We love you Jesus! You are our hope! Our hope is not on any man or men!
Mark 12:29-31 prevents sin when Jesus is the only one we imitate & please!
Tony Evans and Robert Morris, just the beginning. God will not be mocked.
Mike Bickle. How many more??
@@Weissguys6 TD Jakes.
I think the entire church corrupt. Judgement begins in house of God.
Carl lentz Hill song
John Lindell
This man Morris should not be restored to the ministry at all. He had been playing game all these years by pretending to confess his sin in a twisted way. He should be in jail Christmas 1982. Robert is a very dangerous man. He is shameless, immoral, and evil.
We don’t just confess our sins but repent of them.
Hopefully, the States, or at least one of them, does not have a Statute of Limitations on such crimes. If that is so, he could still (and probably will) go to jail. In England there is no Statute of Limitations for such crimes for very obvious reasons. Let's just hope that this will be the case in one of the States in which he committed his crime.
@@DianeJarvis-f1o Texas does not have status of limitation and abuse happened there as well she said.
I was molested once by my brother in law and it has affected me my entire life for just once. And he never had to answer. He has passed away now. If he went to heaven he has or will answer to God. One year or 4-1/2 you never get over it. You deal with it
“Shady” is a well deserved name for the church. 🤦🏼♀️
Good point
As former 9 year members of said church and suffering from their spiritual abuse, spiritual rape, and spiritual abortion of what God was doing, let's just say my wife and I had a not so nice name for the initials S.G.
You forgot to add the es, after church!
😂😂😂
WOW! I had my own suspicions as a member for 5+ years, but THIS! is an unimaginable level of detail filling in a lot of concerns I had while a member. TRUTH is refreshing. Long overdue.
Suspicions of what? What were your concerns?
@@KJ-lb4tj so many things I could hardly name them all. The brain is a brilliant thing in how it processes an event which we sometimes ignore or dismiss just to find out later that hindsight really is 20/20. We give the brain far less credit and don’t give the Lord ANY credit for how he designed our brain without ANY help from man. One can always have an (inaccurate) explanation for another’s experiences. For example, I could say at every event Debbie always “seemed” depressed, another could say, “aww, you’re just over reacting! She’s a public figure, she’s just being measured and tactful .”
I could say during service Robert Morris on most occasions had a long list of guest pastors and speakers that I knew were NOT responsible in sharing the faith of Jesus Christ, ( i.e., Ravi Zacharias, James Robinson, Michael Todd, David Green, etc, etc, etc), another could say, “Man!! Why are you so critical?! Why don’t you start a church and get 10K members of your own!”
I could say when our child went on a mission trip sponsored by the church, paid for by the parent or guardian the report my child came back with was NOT positive and left me with some concerns. Another could say, “Wow!! Stop judging! Teenagers have creative minds anyway and always know how to embellish a story. Lighten up!.”
I could say whenever Robert Morris’s son preached, it was as if he didn’t believe what he preached. We found ourselves not attending church when he spoke b/c we’d get nothing from it. Another would say, “Now that’s not being a good Christian, we’re supposed to support one another and encourage one another. Are you even reading your Bible!?”
I could say a higher up Gateway staff member at a particular campus had a side business we patronized and the money it cost us to clean up the damages they caused by using a foreign overseas contractor who not only hacked our services, but failed to complete the work was most stressful. This was reported to Gateway only to inform them this member deemed a “senior” member should NOT advertise their services to members in this church. They ignored it and made a deliberate effort to support this person by elevating them to a higher position that works even closer with members. With ALL that headache, another would say, “Maybe you shouldn’t have used the church for your business. The church is for worship ONLY, sorry that happened though.”
I could say I knew of youth relationships by youth pastors and members that were NOT pure, discovered via my teenagers who heavily participated in just about ALL youth groups activities, youth conferences and home youth ministries. While another would say, “Kids! You know how they are. I’m sure it’s nothing..”
I could say when I went for a meeting at their HQ for the first time it was like I entered the HQ of a secular Fortune 500 corporation and I have entered many around the country. It was by NO means a warm and inviting atmosphere as portrayed every Sunday across the pulpit of multiple campuses. However another would say, “Well I mean, it is one of the largest churches in the state if not the country. With campuses outside the state and prison broadcasting. Man!! Loosen the leash why don’t cha!!”
I could say in a few of Robert Morris’s sermons he literally stated how he manipulates the audience to get women’s attention or the emotional side and men’s attention or the logical side. For some reason I’ll never forget what he said and the fact he actually said it makes double the reasoning, but another will say, “Well you do know, to be successful in life, you’ve gotta articulate yourself and he’s doing it. Leaders go where the rest of us don’t go. I mean look at his membership numbers!!”
I could say their regular “Prophecy Conference” seemed a bit awkward. This is a service when leaders in the pulpit randomly call out someone in the audience and “prophecy” their life. It appeared artificial to me and a bit staged as in the speaker seemed to “fish” for things to say. But another would say, “well I’m sure it helped someone. Let’s not be too critical of’em. Remember God loves everybody.”
I could say I unexpectedly ran into a campus pastor at a department store whom we each knew each other well “while within the walls of Gateway” However once we made eye contact down this store aisle, he actually rolled his eyes and moved quickly in the opposite direction in haste with his head down. Now I must say this is the same campus pastor months earlier who saw me sitting in the same restaurant as he was dining at and I paid for his lunch before he could pay for mine as the waiter explained the “competition”. However another would say, “See! You’re just over reacting. Nothing really happened there.”
I could say when Gateway showed interest and purchased a church in Jackson Hole, WY that was a 🚩 to me immediately based on my research of what historically goes on there, but I’m sure another who’s research consists of the top three Google searches would say, “Well what goes on there?? What Conspiracy Theory manual have you been reading?! I’ve never heard that (therefore it’s not true).
I could say when well know preacher and speaker Tim Ross (who was on staff during my time at Gateway) was given the blessing by Pastor Robert in front of us all and funded Tim Ross to start a church this was admirable, but soon turned weird after Tim “closed down” the church after many years and started a foul mouth Podcast with this new revelation about how God wants him to communicate with the lost. I knew this had to be a VERY odd relationship between Ross and Morris before hand. But another would say, “ Ahhh, it’s just a coincidence. He who hath no sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes.”
All these things I could say I’ve known since 2020. Regardless of who likes OR dislikes TRUMP, he has been one to cause TRUTH to be revealed and exposed. For the positive or negative, this is the truth. With that I say well AMEN!! With that said, when TRUMP visited Gateway church in 2020 for a roundtable on “TRANSITION TO GREATNESS” where he asked Pastor Morris and Bishop Jackson to pray. I KNEW pastor Robert was finally caught for all his actions. For those who study behavioral science, TRUMP was disgusted with each and Pastor Roberts prayer was a confession, but many probably missed it. But in a society filled with ignoring TRUTH another would say, “I HATE TRUMP! He’s racist and fascist” ( totally missing the point AGAIN).
I could go on and on with so many oddities I experienced, but NOW this exposure seems to connect FOR ME all these questions that could have anyone thinking something is wrong with themselves. This is why TRUTH is so needed from people. Everybody is comfortable living a lie in this country🇺🇸. No one desires or seeks to tell the TRUTH anymore. I love the Lord for many things, but especially right now for moving through those who are not afraid to TELL THE TRUTH. Something we all should have learned before leaving the second grade.
@@KJ-lb4tj so many things I could hardly name them all. The brain is a brilliant thing in how it processes an event which we sometimes ignore or dismiss just to find out later that hindsight really is 20/20. We give the brain far less credit and don’t give the Lord ANY credit for how he designed our brain without ANY help from man. One can always have an (inaccurate) explanation for another’s experiences. For example, I could say at every event Debbie always “seemed” depressed, another could say, “aww, you’re just over reacting! She’s a public figure, she’s just being measured and tactful .”
I could say during service Robert Morris on most occasions had a long list of guest pastors and speakers that I knew were NOT responsible in sharing the faith of Jesus Christ, ( i.e., Ravi Zacharias, James Robinson, Michael Todd, David Green, etc, etc, etc), another could say, “Man!! Why are you so critical?! Why don’t you start a church and get 10K members of your own!”
I could say when our child went on a mission trip sponsored by the church, paid for by the parent or guardian the report my child came back with was NOT positive and left me with some concerns. Another could say, “Wow!! Stop judging! Teenagers have creative minds anyway and always know how to embellish a story. Lighten up!.”
I could say whenever Robert Morris’s son preached, it was as if he didn’t believe what he preached. We found ourselves not attending church when he spoke b/c we’d get nothing from it. Another would say, “Now that’s not being a good Christian, we’re supposed to support one another and encourage one another. Are you even reading your Bible!?”
I could say a higher up Gateway staff member at a particular campus had a side business we patronized and the money it cost us to clean up the damages they caused by using a foreign overseas contractor who not only hacked our services, but failed to complete the work was most stressful. This was reported to Gateway only to inform them this member deemed a “senior” member should NOT advertise their services to members in this church. They ignored it and made a deliberate effort to support this person by elevating them to a higher position that works even closer with members. With ALL that headache, another would say, “Maybe you shouldn’t have used the church for your business. The church is for worship ONLY, sorry that happened though.”
I could say I knew of youth relationships by youth pastors and members that were NOT pure, discovered via my teenagers who heavily participated in just about ALL youth groups activities, youth conferences and home youth ministries. While another would say, “Kids! You know how they are. I’m sure it’s nothing..”
I could say when I went for a meeting at their HQ for the first time it was like I entered the HQ of a secular Fortune 500 corporation and I have entered many around the country. It was by NO means a warm and inviting atmosphere as portrayed every Sunday across the pulpit of multiple campuses. However another would say, “Well I mean, it is one of the largest churches in the state if not the country. With campuses outside the state and prison broadcasting. Man!! Loosen the leash why don’t cha!!”
I could say in a few of Robert Morris’s sermons he literally stated how he manipulates the audience to get women’s attention or the emotional side and men’s attention or the logical side. For some reason I’ll never forget what he said and the fact he actually said it makes double the reasoning, but another will say, “Well you do know, to be successful in life, you’ve gotta articulate yourself and he’s doing it. Leaders go where the rest of us don’t go. I mean look at his membership numbers!!”
I could say their regular “Prophecy Conference” seemed a bit awkward. This is a service when leaders in the pulpit randomly call out someone in the audience and “prophecy” their life. It appeared artificial to me and a bit staged as in the speaker seemed to “fish” for things to say. But another would say, “well I’m sure it helped someone. Let’s not be too critical of’em. Remember God loves everybody.”
I could say I unexpectedly ran into a campus pastor at a department store whom we each knew each other well “while within the walls of Gateway” However once we made eye contact down this store aisle, he actually rolled his eyes and moved quickly in the opposite direction in haste with his head down. Now I must say this is the same campus pastor months earlier who saw me sitting in the same restaurant as he was dining at and I paid for his lunch before he could pay for mine as the waiter explained the “competition”. However another would say, “See! You’re just over reacting. Nothing really happened there.”
I could say when Gateway showed interest and purchased a church in Jackson Hole, WY that was a 🚩 to me immediately based on my research of what historically goes on there, but I’m sure another who’s research consists of the top three Google searches would say, “Well what goes on there?? What Conspiracy Theory manual have you been reading?! I’ve never heard that (therefore it’s not true).
I could say when well know preacher and speaker Tim Ross (who was on staff during my time at Gateway) was given the blessing by Pastor Robert in front of us all and funded Tim Ross to start a church this was admirable, but soon turned weird after Tim “closed down” the church after many years and started a foul mouth Podcast with this new revelation about how God wants him to communicate with the lost. I knew this had to be a VERY odd relationship between Ross and Morris before hand. But another would say, “ Ahhh, it’s just a coincidence. He who hath no sin cast the first stone. We all make mistakes.”
All these things I could say I’ve known since 2020. Regardless of who likes OR dislikes TRUMP, he has been one to cause TRUTH to be revealed and exposed. For the positive or negative, this is the truth. With that I say well AMEN!! With that said, when TRUMP visited Gateway church in 2020 for a roundtable on “TRANSITION TO GREATNESS” where he asked Pastor Morris and Bishop Jackson to pray. I KNEW pastor Robert was finally caught for all his actions. For those who study behavioral science, TRUMP was disgusted with each and Pastor Roberts prayer was a confession, but many probably missed it. But in a society filled with ignoring TRUTH another would say, “I HATE TRUMP! He’s racist and fascist” ( totally missing the point AGAIN).
I could go on and on with so many oddities I experienced, but NOW this exposure seems to connect FOR ME all these questions that could have anyone thinking something is wrong with themselves. This is why TRUTH is so needed from people. Everybody is comfortable living a lie in this country🇺🇸. No one desires or seeks to tell the TRUTH anymore. I love the Lord for many things, but especially right now for moving through those who are not afraid to TELL THE TRUTH. Something we all should have learned before leaving the second grade.
@@KJ-lb4tjwhat concerns do you have
I was at Gateway Church when Glenn Beck was there. I had seen red flags but Glenn Beck was the straw that broke the camel's back. He somehow made it seem he was a biblical expository preacher. Later I revisited some of his sermons online specifically tithe and praying in tongues. He frames the sermon before he goes verse by verse. He is the most crafty eisegesis pastor I have ever seen. And prideful on the pulpit. He and his wife Debbie have what appears to be weekly visions. You know Joseph Smith and mohamed both claimed to see visions. That doesn't mean they are from God. Anyway just because he has stepped down doesn't mean he will not be taking the blessed life on the road. There seems to be an abondance of wolves these days. I pray for Cindy. To think her and I are the same age and it started in 82. The way he has framed the situation is terrible. This is it is better to tie a milestone around your neck and be cast into the sea.
Glenn Beck is not credible, he belongs to a cult. How outrageous to treat him like he’s a Christian, let alone an elder.
Amen, and praise the Lord for the discernment He gave you. I believe anyone in right standing with God has that discernment, to not sit through those wolves tickling ear sermons for so long. It's tragic.
It sounds like Morris has been given a silver snake tongue, and God has given he and his followers over to their deception. Very sad, and I am praying for them all. ❤ God bless Cindy.
THERE WILL BE MANY FALSE PROPHETS!
Tk u for this interview A child( boy or girl) THEIR LIFE is FOREVER DAMAGED! ONLY GOD can help that child! My dad molested me at 9 yrs old I’m fixing to turn 74 and still the memories are still in my MIND even tho I have Jesus as my Savior.
❤🙏❤
I can so relate. I'm 73 and in addition to incest learned later in my life that I am also a SRA survivor (satanic ritual abuse). It was so traumatic I totally dissociated, didn't remember anything. With the help of a minister who had specialized training helping SRA survivors I was able to get some victories. It's been a Long process and still going on
Please let the reader understand. . .
"Resignation" is not a biblical concept but is an action of a CEO and furthermore the "accepting" of a resignation is the action of a business board and not that of church elders.
No one "resigns" from a body they are ( supposedly) in submission to.
Submission to public rebuke before the congregation/body is the actual biblically prescribed process--the purpose of which is to maintain the fear of God in the congregation. Anything less from Morris or the elders "accepting" anything less (and not it calling it out as rebellion) is abject apostasy and shows the fear of man rather than the fear of God. 😢
Unfortunately, very few churches practice discipline any longer. Many “Christians” want their ears tickled.
Also, “pastor” and “millionaire” should never appear in the same sentence together. Jesus had some harsh words about wealth!
You are right. I hadn’t thought about it until you mentioned it, but it’s true. I remember that happening in one of the first churches I attended.
God bless you both, bravo Steve!! We need more mans like that to stand up for the Truth and Justice. Psalm 89:15 !!
As a member of Countryside Bible Church, I can attest to the loving nature of the fellowship there and we are extremely grateful for Tom Pennington's teaching. Since we joined the church in 2019, I can't tell you how many people have come to CBC from Gateway! Dozens at least - and it's only a mile away. Y'all from Gateway are very welcome to join us!
Plan on visiting your church. Is Countryside in any way associated with the SBC?
Pastor Tom Pennington spent years at Grace Community Church. A good man, solid teaching, loving congregation. Right down the road from Gateway. Cessation it’s, but most should be able to adjust.
Amen brother
Your Bible church is calvinistic. It is unbiblical. Preying on Gateway members to be seduced into your unbiblical theology isn't the answer for them!
@KelliHilario It's unbiblical Calvinism. The best lies are 95% true. Look up the 5% in calvinism and don't darken their doorway.
Thank you for finally coming out and defending the children hi myself was abused as a little girl and him 78 and had tons of therapy and Deliverance and this is stirring up something in me for the children
I live in the Dallas area and have many friends that go to Gateway. I am not a fan of Mega Churches, but had been invited to a Gateway Home Bible Study about 10 years ago. The book is called "The Blessed Life: Unlocking the Rewards of Generous Living" by Robert Morris. I already was not a fan of the title having grown up in the "Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Jimmy Swaggart" era. The first chapter was enough for me to not only NOT return to the study, but throw the book away. I didn't care I had spent money on it. I remember he went on and on about how he had a cheaper car or home, "the Lord" told him to give it away, and then "the Lord" upgraded him, and that process continued until he had a plane. I was like, you've got to be kidding me! I saw nothing Biblical about any of it. Many people I know that go there go for the programming, activities, and the people they can meet - sort of expand their circle of friends as many are single and are looking for people to hang out with. I hope this will cause them to think again and seek a better place to worship at. I love my small congregation!
Robert Morris had a plane? I did not know that.
Thanks brother ❤
God bless you, so glad God led you the right way ❤
Agree, but Jimmy Swaggart did repent, and on tv to everyone and his wife. I understand preachers have a lot of pressure and great temptation, I look to repentance and look to see if the message aligns with the Bible. So JS is the only one I listen to
I don't like Robert and his sermons I am from south africa also many t b n prechers
Big respect to you guys for speaking from the heart, telling it as it is and pulling zero punches. Someone had to.
I’m a Criminal Justice Major, preparing for a career as a lawyer. This man must be arrested and convicted for his sexual atrocities. Period.
Up to the "court system" now?
It may go in the way of precedent cases of criminals / cover up'ers getting away with it sadly.
The ways of this world and money are quite the barrier to justice being served
Have you heard of statute of limitations?
@@janeh5949Have you heard in many jurisdictions there is no statute of limitations for the crime of child rape.
Texas has NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS for child rape or sex abuse.
Morris is a con-artist like nearly every mega pastor. They are money grubbing ravening wolves. A couple years ago my wife came home with a book 'by' Morris. I told her what he is about and she threw it away without reading it.
As a major in criminal law. Is there a statute of limitations where you cannot be charged when someone does this to a child and the child doesn’t report it until they are an adult? Thank you
@@janeh5949YES but that is horrible that molestation of a child has a statue of limitation! Thank God he does not!
A lot of comments focus on Morris but praise God this woman has gloried our Father through her bravery in persisting. The personal abuse and blame she must have endured from his protectors yet she kept going. Bless her. Hopefully his woeful preaching will also be exposed to those previously blind to it.
I am wondering why this woman waited30/40 years to speak out. Not condoning Morris but the woman ask for money - offer $25,000 and she rejected it and wants $2 million. It bothers me and she should be ask to take a poly test.
Pastor Steve I want to thank you for your genuine care and righteous conviction for girls of all ages everywhere.. God Bless you 🙏
Praise God, Praise God, Praise God for Steve and his boldness of calling Morris out!!!
Steve may have started out, not wanting to be as bold as he was about all of this, but I am so grateful for everything he said. COUNTLESS other victims, myself included, are so grateful for this TRUTH.
I am 73 years old and spent more than half my life struggling through the damage that was caused in my life because of the same kind of abuse.
Only our God in heaven can provide the kind of healing that so many need, and I am so grateful for how my life has changed. I still have challenges, especially when I read and hear of all the things that happened in this case, but I know God is there and I can I always look to Him!!
I pray this for every victim and for every church that has had to deal with the trauma that gets caused by this evil!!
Allegations of “moral failings” is an incredibly charitable thing to say considering what he did
Yes, he molested a child. He should have been criminally prosecuted.
This is not a "moral failure". This was a crime and shame on Morris and the elders that covered it up. They all should be in jail
Truth!
There is no professional, stop Harding this man of gawd
He was a pdfile, a predator, a child m*lester. Did James Robinson know and did not report to police. Shame on Robinson. Sick and disgusting. They will answer to God on Judgment Day.
After reviewing my Bible study over the last week, it talks about the rebellious and disobedient nature of man, Gods discipline and God’s desire to have relationship with his people. Our place is not to judge anyone’s repentance, that is between God and the individual. God’s discipline is paramount not yours or mine! Pray for the victim,Cindy. Pray for Robert and EVERYONE else who was touched. Ask for discernment, pray against a judgmental spirit, pray for repentance and forgiveness!
I can agree with you unless you are downplaying discernment and calling it judging. The reason the church is in such trouble is because without a vision the people perish. I'm speaking generally of the American church. There is a widespread biblical illiteracy that doesn't know what discernment really is because they don't really know the word.
This is why we worship God and not man .Man will fail ..God will not ...He is holy ..He can't fail ..This person calls himself a friend ,a believer in Christ yet so quick to support Pastor Morris demise, instead of praying for both parties involve .
.What an awesome God we have in Jesus who died for our sins because no one could keep the law perfect ..Pastor Morris did an unforgivable sin to man,s eyes but in God's eyes ,if he had repented ,his sin is removed as far as the east is to the west ..remember Paul everyone...
Well said. They both need mercy and forgiveness
I’m praying for justice. And frankly if you can’t judge this as wrong you’re in sin at the least for bearing false witness.
Steve was my husband’s youth pastor growing up. Nice to see him thriving and such a man of God.
Time to get the millstones out. Im a survivor as well. Im 53 and it took many many years for the Lord to convince me I was valuable .
Same 😢
Me too!
52. Still working on it.❤️
When God restores men this kind of thing will no longer be a problem. The perverts run the country and they are in judiciary but there is a cure.
th-cam.com/video/c1BEsvnzaFU/w-d-xo.html
I'm sorry , may you be blessed
He lied in his autobiography, explaining away his two year absence from ministry as God dealing with him over a "pride" issue. Wrong. He had been molesting a child for years! So he printed that falsehood and let it stay there as he sold his book. Meanwhile he never would have stepped down now except that he got exposed! What's worse are those STILL defending him and blaming the woman for waiting so long to come forward! I actually saw someone on Facebook say "touch not God's anointed, he repented so let God judge and not us". Makes you wonder what they would think if it was their child!
Exactly. He didn’t step down from ministry to deal with pride. He was REMOVED from ministry to get counseling for being a pedophile. I submit those are two entirely different things.😡
You do not wish you had him on under happier circumstance. You, Justin, thrive on exposing people. I'm not saying predators should not be exposed. But you like it. That is your thing. I think it gives you a sense of moral superiority.
Then don’t come listen! Scroll on by.
He's a liar from hell. How dare he talk about a 12 year old Child like that. This makes me sick to hear . James Robinson knew.
Yes he belongs in jail.
@amazinggrace3850 It could still happen. He abused her in two separate States. If either one of them does not apply the Statute of Limitations to such crimes, he could still face prosecution and jail.
Same as when most Muslims say it’s ok that Muhammed had a nine year old little girl as a wife!
@@DianeJarvis-f1o I think there may be the ability to still file criminal charges in Texas.
As a recently former Gateway member and someone who regularly attended Stephen’s young adults ministry at Gateway back in the early 2010s. I really appreciate his candour and knowledge of this tragic manipulation. I’ll be looking for a new Church for my family that is Biblical sound. My heart breaks for what happened to the woman who was the victim of this situation and the innocent people and employees of Gateway.
There are so many good churches in your area. You look up at a 9MarksChurch
Alliance community fellowship
Countryside Bible Church is nearby off 114. They teach the Bible verse by verse. They are Biblically sound, and sing actual hymns without the crazy loud drums and guitars of contemporary music. Highly recommended! Grace & peace! ✝️🙏✝️
Full Gospel Holy Temple Dallas,TX
It's terrible what happened to her at 12, and that her parent's did nothing to help her, instead they hid it so they wouldn't be humiliated. People better be mindful that, what's done in the dark, shall come to light. Help us all Holy Spirit to stay strong in the Lord and the power of his might!🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
'. . .that her parent's did nothing to help her, instead they hid it so they wouldn't be humiliated.' - Wrong. She was a child at 12 y.o. and told by Mr. Morris not to tell others, as she had no knowledge of what molestation is. When she opened up to a friend at 17 y.o., she was told to tell her parents where they believed her and her father complained to their church to have him removed. The church placed him under a 2-yr. restoration training and was back after two years (time somewhat questionable bec. there were stories that Mr. James Robison took him in to work at his ministry during this time, after he worked as security guard at Motel 6 temporarily). These memories came back to her when she was 35 y.o. but it was obviously beyond the statutes of limitation. Mr. Morris was lying to his church elders and Mr. James Robison (Life Outreach) in hiding this unrepentant pastor, who claimed that she was like Jezebel and she was the one who was seducing him - a childlike brain and character like that; shame on Mr. Morris as a pastor of God - a master speaker and manipulator.
Yeah what about her parents???!!!! They must have known. What sickos.
@@JeanHampleman- read the comment above from yesterday directed to rememartial8425 - it explains the whole thing.
I used to be a member of Gateway church when Pastor LeBlanc was there. I genuinely enjoyed his sermons on Tuesday's for the 18 to 30 year olds.
I left the church because something just didn't feel right about the church as a whole, and it had felt like that for some time.
I'm glad this came to light. I hope Cindy is now able to truly heal. ❤
Morris should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. So should those who had knowledge of the crime and failed to report it to the law.
Absolutely
Steve leblanc knew and failed to report.
Statute of limitations?
This case is exactly the same as Hillsong covering up Serial Pedeophile Frank Housten..If the statute of limitations in this case is ten years I sadly don't see Robert Morris prosecuted to my dismay..😢😢
@@Here12years You didn’t watch the video, and you are lying!
I was raped by 5 different men, by the age of 15teen. One of the men, was my auntie's sons, father. My name was destroyed through the family by my aunt and I was only 14teen when her son's father raped me, he was 40ty. No one really believes you, at times when you speak out about the abuse. I did not share with my children and siblings about my assaults until maybe 7 yrs ago and I am 50ty today in 2024. God healed and kept me mentally sane and guided me to heal and move forward all these years. I am healed today.
May God be with you. We have to stop blaming the kids for what these monster adults are doing.
Praise God, Loretta, for the strength you found to heal and move forward! Be blessed! Be happy! That would bring joy to Jesus as well! ❤
God be with you for continued healing 🙏
I'm so very sorry you have had to live through that. May your healing be complete.
I definitely appreciate Pastor Steve. He’s a righteous man who call out these Carismatic deceiver only there for bag 💰💰💰💰, God bless you and may the Lord strengthen you and your family and watch over you as you call out false prophets who are vain, arrogant, and self-centered modern day money changes 💯💕☺️
I was a very naive and shy 12 year old little girl…he was 22 years old…he groomed me for 4.5 years then devastated me😢I was never the same after and often wonder emotionally who would I have been if that monster had never entered my life…
Thank- you for sharing this. I appreciate the courage it takes to even type this out. God knows and sees. Praying for your healing, and strength as you continue to fight the battle that you didn't ask for.
I am so sorry! 😢
May the Lord heal you, as only He can. I'm so so sorry you went through this.
Praise God for exposing the truth and standing up for the victim.
THE CHURCH DID NOT STAND UP FOR THE VICTIM! ALL THAT MONEY, ALL THAT PRESTIGE OF A MEGA CHURCH , ALL THE LEADERSHIP, AND NOBODY STOOD UP FOR THE 12 YO WHO WAS RAPED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS TRUSTED BY THE FAMILY!
Amin! Jesus is all about the victims!
Thank you gentlemen for calling it what it was - rape. Lies of omission!! He never repented for it because he never owned it!! How disturbing!
My spirit is saddened n in mourning...I literally cried bc of the falling of Robert Morris..they're are too many wolves in sheeps clothing standing at the pulpits..i pray he repents and makes reparations to Cindy..only the Lord can heal Cindy..i know this bc i was raped by my uncle..thru marriage..and only the Lord got me thru and i was able to forgive n move forward with my life..bc Jesus gives me strength!! Thank u Jesus! 🙏🙏🙏
Healing takes work. Everyone’s story isn’t the same. Healing doesn’t take all the pain away.
@trudimorris8206 - thank you for sharing your story… by any chance are you aware that Cindy the victim is now 54 years old… married and has 3 grandchildren? She’s openly talked about the years of counseling she underwent and paid for.
I did not cry for him, but his victims, yes, I bet others will come out of the woods to tell.
I also think that forgiveness is the answer here. Too many victims are give the “forgiveness” speech whiz hurts more than it helps.
I never liked hearing him preach I felt like he wasn’t right but I didn’t know THIS God have mercy!!!
Same here. I always instinctively felt his pride while he was preaching.
Thank you for exposing these Sociopaths. I experienced my own predatory experience over 20 years ago which completely traumatized me. You’ve restored my faith 🙏
This horrific crime is disastrous on so many levels, but excellent wisdom from these godly men on how to deal with it and handle it. ♥
Thank you for this program. I don’t know anything about Robert Morris except what I have heard on this program, but the points made here about repentance are sorely needed to be heard by today’s church. Repentance does not mean “no consequences”. True repentance is exhibited by a changed life not a slap on the wrist and a return to business as usual.
A person can be forgiven and even repent (stop doing the sin) and still be put in prison.
I just happened to scroll TH-cam and stopped on this. This was a fantastic interview. I live in Massachusetts where there are no mega churches but we have Pastors who don’t belong in pulpits as well. This Pastor Steve is courageous to expose names of individuals who actually knew the truth of Robert Morris’ life yet covered it up for monetary gains - and also those who continue to downplay the seriousness of this crime. It’s time to wake up church. Seek the scriptures not man made doctrines. His return is nearer today. Jesus is just. He first starts his judgment against his own before judging others and he’s cleaning house. Repent. Repent. Repent. Anyone in Gateway church RUN like Joseph did from Potiphar’s wife. (And thank you for offering assistance to Cindy. That was so sincere I teared up. May godly men rise up in local communities to run these type of criminals out of town with truth from Gods word. )