What's especially cool is they were able to weave it together in such a way that you can move on from Daredevil Season 2 straight to Season 3, without seeing The Defenders, and everything still makes sense, as they managed to convey the relevant information without even mentioning The Defenders themselves. Pretty difficult balance.
Even if they had tons of ninjas and killed the Defenders (well, at least 3 of them, I don't think they have anything on Luke really) I think the Hand would hit a brick wall once their NY takeover gets on the Avengers radar. Immortal? No you're not. Hulk turned you into paste or Thor vaporized you with lightning. Iron Man has lasers and Cap can definitely handle tons of ninjas too if the Defenders can hold them off. They have no credibility as a big threat.
Quite frankly, the Hand should have been a factor in the movies. For example, Sowande absolutely could have been referenced in Black Panther. He could have even been a target of Nakia's vigilantism. And with the arrival of Shang Chi, the Hand could have been prime villains. Heck, I'm pretty sure even Wolverine(if they go forward with that) got a piece of fighting the Hand.
The problem with Defenders and the Netflix shows is that no one had a plan. Jeph Loeb is no Kevin Feige. The Defenders showrunner said in interviews that writers from different shows didn't talk to each other so no one had any idea what the others wanted to do with certain plot arcs. The Iron Fist writers had no idea what the Daredevil writers were planning to do with the Hand. The Defenders writers had no idea what the Iron Fist writers wanted to do with the Hand. They all just did their own stuff. So none of the ideas set up in earlier shows were followed through. Thing would have made sense if they followed up more on how Daredevil established the Hand and had it be closer to the comics. In the comics, the Hand worships a demon called "the Beast" that gives them magical powers. That should have been in Defenders. They could have set it up that a previous Iron Fist destroyed the Beast and hid its soul under New York. The Hand has found it and they want to free it because they're starting to lose the power the Beast gave them. They're backing criminals and trying to create chaos in New York because they're trying to sacrifice souls to empower the Beast. And they need Elektra because she was born with a mystical power that allows the Beast to possess her.
@@melbrown2295 Well, they never really went into detail as to what Black Skys actually are, so it could easily be established that they are people who are somehow suitable vessels for the Beast. In fact, Elektra was referred to multiple times as a vessel. A vessel for what? The answer: the Beast.
@Amritansh Mishra He's not, the guy just posted that because Luke's a black superhero, which much like Black Panther doesn't mean anything since we'd already had tons of Black Heroes, several of which were from Marvel or Marvel properties.
It's like looking in a mirror... I fully support this and that! Legion season 1 was gold, fell off afterward though. The Defenders was great and the start of Finn's redemption and a real threat outside the MCU that was actualized: The Hand. That could've set up groundwork for DD and IF meeting Blade way before Fiege announced the disney+ series.
the funny part being that the foot clan being a parody of the hand isn't even in TMNT nowadays- the original foot were parodying the faceless ninja horde thing by being just as violent, horrific and deadly as a horde of ninjas would be.
@@homelander1601 not in the original comic its not. TMNT got famous after they sold the licensing rights to a TV show, which was definitely kid friendly, but the mirage era comic run that preceded it was... not particularly child oriented
Honestly think I would’ve enjoyed a show just about Matt and Jessica more, their on screen chemistry felt so natural whenever they got to share a scene.
@@rickytorres4213 They really meshed well in their scenes together. Neither are strong enough to anchor a show solo but they could do it together. But all lost, like tears in rain, when the Disney streaming service was launched.
@@alanpennie8013 actually.. No its not.. Due to netflix contract they cant use the characters for a couple years.. So by 2021 they can be on disney plus
@@alanpennie8013 yeah i looked it up and there was an article it said late 2020 for daredevil, luke cage, and iron fist.. Jessica is gonna be like a year past them
That's always been ridiculous to me, DD has a costume, punisher has one, the hand ninjas actually dressed like ninjas in dds2 which they should have done in def. And one of the reasons I don't like this irin fist us because he didn't wear a version of his costume
The fights also weren't incorporated very well. They felt like SNES RPG random encounters - like suddenly battl emusic starts, everybody gets in a fighting pose, and then when it's done they get EXP and resume the cut scene.
I actually considered The Wrecking Crew as villains for a solo Valkyrie movie, reimagined as Asgardian refugees who, fed up with their relative squalor as seen in Endgame, dig up some Asgard “plot coupons” to remake Earth as a new Asgard.
That would be dope. Have some literal gods working manual labor on a planet that used to worship them... led to anger and crime. That would be an enemy we could sympathize with, having seen what happened to Asgard and what they went through. They could be antagonists that would be easy to understand their motives. Also, I doubt there are any die hard Wrecking Crew fanatics who will freak out at the change. Lol
@@DanteYewToob and we could also have Excavator appear later on since he is Piledriver's son. Altough I believe that could have been a subplot on Nando's version of the Defenders.
I think an assembly of villains from the other shows would have been the better choice. Killgrave was dead though, but kingpin and gao plus black mariahand/or bushmaster and maybe the Segourney weaver character as the head of the company that gave superpowers to jessica jones would have been a more sensible villain teamup.
@@maximeteppe7627 That would be cool but it has the issue mentioned in the video: Those are all characters that the heroes have beaten before (I assume, not having seen Season 2 Luke Cage yet). IMO, it would be better to have a new threat capable of curbstomping the individual members of the Defenders show up. That way, our heroes have to scrabble around and work out in a hurry how to work as a coherent team to even stand a chance.
Each member of the Hand is symbolism for the writers/directors of each show: they all had their own version for how the hand functions but they are all too different to categorize in the same group (as in if the show didn’t specifically tell you that that group of ninjas was the Hand, it could’ve been any group or a random group of ninjas)
Jann Eduard Tomas Sure...because sub-groups of the same organization never operate differently nor color outside of the proverbial lines. Watch any gangster or mob film, and you’ll see plenty of examples where someone in the criminal organization is skimming money, while another covets leadership, while another wants the leader’s wife, etc...
Something you didn't specifically point out but touched on, in a team-up it's important that each member fulfill a role that is unique to that character. Luke Cage should provide the raw power, Jessica Jones should solve the puzzles, Danny Rand should be the master technician when it comes to fighting, and Matt Murdock is a balanced mix of the three plus the experience and moral center to lead. As you said, in Defenders all four were almost interchangeable. Jessica had no more issue dealing with the top expert trained ninja bosses than Danny Rand, and that just doesn't make sense.
@@Windupchronic It's a shame that it drops a whole pile of high-concept stuff right at the very end and then never gets to explore it. Out of all the shows it was the one that suddenly became hugely interesting before getting cancelled. If they'd been a little more economical and quick with the storytelling in those shows we could have had all the crazy weapon-imbuing stuff for a wild finale. Finn Jones was definitely miscast tho, they really needed either someone who already had martial arts skills, or to have done the stunt guy/mask trick from Daredevil, or have given the dude more time to train. Jessica Henwick is MVP of that show.
Here are my thoughts about it b4 watching: A) They called in a terrible writer for Iron Fist. B) Marvel lost its faith on the project pretty early on. C) Lack of connectivity with the rest of the MCU. D) Disney+
I'd honestly love to see how you would incorporate them back into the MCU either movie or tv show wise. Cause honestly a court battle between She Hulk and Murdock needs to happen in her show.
Luke Cage is not invulnerable. Tough skin does not mean invulnerable. He is vulnerable to heat, suffocation, drowning, hazardous gases, starvation, and all sorts of other ways.
Defenders is post-Luke Cage s1 right? He gets an upgrade due to his procedure redo and in s2 we see him casually walk out of a fire (where heat and toxic air are definitely a problem) and his villain dumps him in the river after paralyzing him and he doesn't drown. Luke only became stronger after his run in with death from the Judas Bullets. He's practically unstoppable now.
In the show he’s pretty close now. That second trip through the process made him unaffected by Judas bullets and he was already virtually fire and explosion proof.
What I loved about The Defenders was the scene where Alexandria unironically says "we're not so different, you and I" in a post-Austin Powers world. Now that kind of writing takes guts!
Man, the hand were such a let down. Up until the last few episodes of DD season 2 they seemed so mysterious and terrifying. Then, I don't know what happened. I really thought Madam Gau would have been much more of a master mind then she turned out to be. Like a Fisk with ninjas and dark magic. Oh, well.
The Netflix MCU literally had some of the best villains in my opinion. Both Fisk and Killgrave were amazing. So who did they pick for the big bad for the big team up series?... The Hand?!... And to make it worse The Hand even had an oppertunity to be a real threat. They could have resurrected Killgrave, one of the few people who could actually realisticly have beaten The Defenders. But no instead they resurrect Elektra as if that was gonna help them...
We all dude mate I here in that universe someone didn't become a littrely captain planet villain and set the Amazon on fire. There are a lack of loonatics in potions of power the world over. Fire fly is in it 12th session the star wars prequels aren't bad and nether are the sequels. Peace and love rain
I could never take Danny seriously when he talked about how mystical and powerful "The Iron Fist" is... Considering that Dr. Strange bends the laws of physics in hundreds of different ways
The Hand is just so staggeringly incompetent that I rolled my eyes every time they reference how old they are. Like, how tf have they actually survived this long? Sheer luck has to be the only explanation. Also the Black Sky was set up as this ominous, apocalyptic-level MacGuffin but really it's just.... a slightly better ninja. That's cool I guess?
Dude, you are really gonna have to convince me on this one. I've never imagined the Wrecking Crew as anything more than an opening villain for a Thor movie or something. But instead of fixing the Hand, you are replacing them with these guys. I really look forward to you convincing me that the Wrecking Crew are the best villains in the marvel universe.
It will be interesting to see how he deduces that they can fix the "All the Defenders do is punch stuff" problem, although I presume the start of that would be Jessica Jones or Luke Cage punching one of them to little to no effect and saying "Well, *that* didn't work!" Action in general is going to be more boring if the heroes are only bricks or martial artists.
@@eileen1020 That's definitely a *fair* take on the characters. But I imagine that only makes them *more* appropriate as Defenders villains. For the TV iteration we had, anyway. Very street-level, NOT Avengers-level type stuff. The real trick I'm anticipating from Nando's YT explanation(s) is how to spin a whole season out of the conflict.
@@mattpluzhnikov519 The big bad for the whole season though? I don't think they're enough of a threat for that, unless you level them up or have them working for/with someone else. I assume Nando isn't going with the latter.
First episode I made a joke to my mum that “Danny would accidentally fall into the door with his iron fist” Then the finale happened and I realised the writers couldn’t think better than me 😓😓
I'm still sore. I so wanted this show to work. But it looks like Netflix wrote off this show before it began. Otherwise why hire Scott Buck of all people?
I really think a missed opportunity was having Jessica be a Luke Cage knockoff, one thing i wish they could've done is use the detective skills she has because honestly besides the beginning what else did she really do here ?
ulises I’m not getting what your saying. Are you saying she should have been a knockoff Luke Cage? Jessica actually saved both Luke and Danny She put Elektra down long enough for them to escape And she used her PI skills a lot in this show.
@@YkMarb what im trying to say is that I wish they had focused on her p.i. skills more in this, the resident super strong person was already luke, i just feel like they made her super strong person #2 in this
ulises Bascially your saying she should have just been pushed to the side. Why is it a problem that two people have Superhuman Strength? I don’t get why people hate her so much. If anything Jess abilities were more useful than Lukes
Vicious Savage The action was subpar compared to Daredevil, but there were still some really great action scenes. The villains were mediocre, but not bad imo.
Huh, I would have picked the Serpent Society or The Circus of Crime
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A Circus of Crime played straight... A sinister, unfunny clown with guns and grenades. An armored lunatic who has himself shot ftom a cannon. Twin grapplers who finish each other's sentences. A whispering, crazed contortionist who lives in a trailer with 1,000 snakes. And a flamboyant showman who can make you his mindless puppet. It could have been nice.
May sound trivial, but I think just giving them all their classic suits, maybe tone down the colour a bit to fit the series, would have made a big difference. Would have emphasised that this was a superhero team-up, rather than 4 people fighting together
the only thing i really didn't like about she-hulk... i've always really liked the wrecking crew because they are doofs but also because they are dangerous. i wish they saved them for something where they could be a viable threat. i mean they also wasted damage control, but maybe they could still somehow save the concept and have them show up there. they would have been great in a thor movie, explaining where they got their powers. really really unfortunate.
I know Defenders was flawed, but I loved seeing the shows and characters crossover. I especially loved the scene where, and I’m paraphrasing here, Luke tells Danny to sit down and be humble lol.
Low key was thinking you were hinting at the ninja turtles at the end while being confused cause I’m like they aren’t villains but who knows maybe it’s an alternate New York where Master splinter raised them differently
I am so glad somebody else pointed that out. For Years, everybody said it was all because of Iron Fist. Iron Fist was never my favorite character by any means, but he was a way better character then any member of the hand was. They all can be summed up in one sentence: "They're a bunch of secret ninjas who constantly lose in each season they're in." While Iron Fist most definitely is the weakest Defender, at least they actually developed him. That's way more than I can ever say for any member of the hand
I was just so disappointed by how they couldn't build a compelling plot with Madame Gao. She was such an interesting character in Daredevil Season 1 and it looked like what we saw was only a part of her broader plan (the old "you've interfered but can't upset the REAL plan" villain). She seemed to be excellent as a setup for a multi-season plot. Then it wasn't developed well... or at all.
I like Defenders for character interactions between the main four. But I agree that the antagonists were the weakest part of the show; I felt that if you just locked them all in a room with Frank Castle, that would be the end of them. I'm looking forward to how you're going to make the Wrecking Crew into interesting villains.
Oscar Ramirez that would’ve been dope af. I was so disappointed that we never got to see Danny fully suited up in his iron fist costume. Come to think of it everything about iron fist was just handled really poorly. Finn Jones was completely miscast, it was so obvious that he actually had little to no skill at fighting. And it was also annoying how he barely ever used his iron fist abilitu
I always thought it was racist that Madame Gao was a member of The Hand despite no foreshadowing or connection to Nobu, who was definitely a member of The Hand. She and him could have at least had a moment where we learned that they are in the same organization, but instead we only get the idea that she is in The Hand later.
@Nando - I think you are giving up on the Hand too easily. I recommend replacing the fingers of the Hand with the Gorgon (occasional leader of the Hand). Gorgon has the regular superhuman suite of powers along with the martial arts training to make him a capable adversary for all four defenders. He not only compliments their abilities, but he can also superficially mimic the abilities of their enemies. As a telepath, Gorgon lacks the ability to "push" others like Kilgrave and is nowhere near a Charles Xavier level, but he can use this ability tactfully to get into the minds of the Defenders and make them doubt themselves and each other, and keeping himself three steps ahead of them. He is a genius manipulator, along the same lines as the Kingpin. He is fast enough to dodge bullets, durable enough to shake off attacks from Jessica Jones or Luke Cage, and powerful enough to match their strength with his own. He has super-human healing. He also has the power of the Greek mythological beings he is named for - his eyes can turn flesh to stone. This sounds like a cheesy power that sounds like a mirror will be involved in his defeat but I think it has potential if a writer is creative with it. I think it fits well because Daredevil would be immune to this power since the victim has to be making eye contact with him. This presents an opportunity in the writing for the narrative to require the heroes work together; Daredevil can't defeat him alone, and everyone else is at risk to this ability, which means they ultimately will need to train to see the world like Daredevil does and work together to overcome this foe.
My main issue with The Defenders is that they took what should have been a fun side-plot and made it the endgame for every series. The concept that we all of these heroes needed to team up to fight the hand was silly in the first place. Only two of the heroes have any stake in the plot, the other two are just kind of there for the sake of advertising, they don’t benefit the plot. And they tried to advertise it as a superhero show without ever presenting any of the heroes, barring Luke Cage to an extent, as superheroes. All of their storylines revolve around personal vendettas they have to resolve. In the end, the Netflix idea of making an avengers style big team up didn’t work because they didn’t set one up. It should have just been a one-off team up movie, without huge stakes, in which likeable characters met and it wasn’t about saving the world.
The quality of Daredevil’s action set a bar that killed both Iron Fist and The Defenders really. Both of those shows were marketed as a step up in the action and stakes. But both shows felt really small.
I wanted more Luke and Jessica, but the story wanted to focus on Danny and Matt. Iron Fist can be great in a teamup with Luke Cage, but this one just didn't work. And Daredevil just seems to work better on his own.
Vicious Savage well that’s like your opinion, man. ✌️ I’m pretty picky but I was able to watch the whole season. I liked the exchanges between the four of them. And I’ve definitely seen much, much worse.
Don't kid yourself, it was abysmal. The pacing alone destroyed the show. The writers I'm sure had a plan for the show but the execution was not in any way, cohesive. This made the show feel like each episode was written by different people.
I don't think it's necessary for an antagonist to be physically threatening. The best example of this is The Dark Knight of course. (Btw: I love your videos)
Had Iron Fist not been a whiny entitled boring white boy with an awful first season - the Defenders plot which hinged on a lot of story built in his particular series might have been more interesting instead of just Iron Fist Season 1.5 and friends.
If a rewrite did go with the Hand (and made them more threatening somehow), every Defender should've had one specific enemy, like Luke VS Sowande, and just have Punisher show up as the 5th Defender.
As much as I really like most of the Netflix MCU characters, I gotta say that I'm definitely intrigued by your idea of pitting the Defenders against the Wrecking Crew as well as the other ideas you put forward.
I saw this in my feed, thought to myself "I never got around to watching Defenders, but I'll watch the video anyway, see if it's worth going back for", and then as I saw more clips of it realized that I had indeed seen Defenders and had forgotten it completely. So, you know, point made
I still think they should've pulled a "Ballad of Kite Man" thing and had Stilt Man be the main villain. Very few mainstream audience members know anything about him so they could've taken as many liberties as they wanted with the actual character (i.e. given him some real depth on the scale of Kingpin or Bullseye), it would've been a great service to the fans who've been talking about the stilts since Daredevil Season 1 and, most importantly, would've given all the Defenders something to bounce off of. Luke could've been in his signature state of constant disbelief, Jessica would've had something to ridicule, Danny could've been overconfident and got his arse kicked (learning a valuable lesson about humility in the process) and Matt could've taken it uber-seriously. All characters are respected, we get a villain no one would've seriously seen coming and also, it's something that they can't just go to the Avengers about because the Avengers aren't even gonna send Hawkeye to deal with a dude who calls himself Stilt Man Also they could've saved the Hand for Defenders Season 2, giving them time to focus on what the Hand is actually about and giving Elektra's resurrection some actual payoff because she was dead for longer than five minutes But yeah the Wrecking Crew story's pretty awesome
Luke beating Sowande offscreen was so unsatisfying. I never understood that choice. I briefly thought they turned Luke, with mind control or something, to spy on the others, but they never developed it any further. Weird.
Case in point... I had completely forgotten that "The Hand" was the villain in this Marvel TV Series, lol! I"ve always prefered "The Foot", the strret gang like cult of Master Shredder in TMNT anyhow, re-lol!
"I loved Daredevil and Jessica Jones, I liked Luke Cage, and Iron Fist was also a show" 😂😂😂
Too accurate.
MUJ 118 My feelings exactly.
Also the hate for Bakuto.
Lol cracked me up, but Iron Fist season 2 was decent lol
MUJ 118 couldn’t be a more truthful statement
@@jbrawler45 typhoid mary and ward Meacham made that season and the fighting wasn't half bad either plus being only 10 episode
The best thing about the defenders is that it sets up Daredevil season 3
As annoyed as I am that there will be no more Daredevil, I'm so glad they ended on a major high with that season.
SerenityFirefly - My ranking is DD S3 > DD S1 > Punisher S1 > Punisher S2 > DD S2 > Jessica Jones S1 > Luke Cage S1 > Everything else
CruzaderKnight Jessica Jonas s1 is 3rd
yeah except that theres no Hand and no more Elektra
What's especially cool is they were able to weave it together in such a way that you can move on from Daredevil Season 2 straight to Season 3, without seeing The Defenders, and everything still makes sense, as they managed to convey the relevant information without even mentioning The Defenders themselves. Pretty difficult balance.
Stick: “a war is coming, the hand has an immortal army capable of destroying new york”
The entirety of the hand in the final battle: like 30 ninjas
OOF
Even if they had tons of ninjas and killed the Defenders (well, at least 3 of them, I don't think they have anything on Luke really) I think the Hand would hit a brick wall once their NY takeover gets on the Avengers radar.
Immortal? No you're not. Hulk turned you into paste or Thor vaporized you with lightning. Iron Man has lasers and Cap can definitely handle tons of ninjas too if the Defenders can hold them off.
They have no credibility as a big threat.
Quite frankly, the Hand should have been a factor in the movies.
For example, Sowande absolutely could have been referenced in Black Panther. He could have even been a target of Nakia's vigilantism.
And with the arrival of Shang Chi, the Hand could have been prime villains. Heck, I'm pretty sure even Wolverine(if they go forward with that) got a piece of fighting the Hand.
Snoi Med they won’t. Mcu wants nothing to do with Netflix’s nonsense
Yeah, even a single scene of a couple hundred ninjas running toward the team would have been at least half-dramatic.
The problem with Defenders and the Netflix shows is that no one had a plan. Jeph Loeb is no Kevin Feige. The Defenders showrunner said in interviews that writers from different shows didn't talk to each other so no one had any idea what the others wanted to do with certain plot arcs. The Iron Fist writers had no idea what the Daredevil writers were planning to do with the Hand. The Defenders writers had no idea what the Iron Fist writers wanted to do with the Hand. They all just did their own stuff. So none of the ideas set up in earlier shows were followed through.
Thing would have made sense if they followed up more on how Daredevil established the Hand and had it be closer to the comics. In the comics, the Hand worships a demon called "the Beast" that gives them magical powers. That should have been in Defenders. They could have set it up that a previous Iron Fist destroyed the Beast and hid its soul under New York. The Hand has found it and they want to free it because they're starting to lose the power the Beast gave them. They're backing criminals and trying to create chaos in New York because they're trying to sacrifice souls to empower the Beast. And they need Elektra because she was born with a mystical power that allows the Beast to possess her.
10x better than the "story" they threw at us.
KingOfMadCows in 2 paragraphs you just came up with a story a million times more interesting than what we actually got lol
KingOfMadCows Exactly. To be honest, I thought they were moving in that direction until the “Black Sky” reveal to be Elektra.
@@melbrown2295 Well, they never really went into detail as to what Black Skys actually are, so it could easily be established that they are people who are somehow suitable vessels for the Beast. In fact, Elektra was referred to multiple times as a vessel. A vessel for what? The answer: the Beast.
This is the exact reason why season 4 of daredevil was cancelled
At least we can all agree
Daredevil is INSPIRING
Jessica Jones is STRONG
Luke Cage is CULTURALLY IMPORTANT
Iron Fist
The Punisher is HEARTBREAKING
Iron Fist....is...there.
How is Luke cage culturally important lol
@@chrismarple he's not.
@@chrismarple 😂😂 they just saying that cause he’s a black hero
@Amritansh Mishra He's not, the guy just posted that because Luke's a black superhero, which much like Black Panther doesn't mean anything since we'd already had tons of Black Heroes, several of which were from Marvel or Marvel properties.
Defenders content in 2019
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
Also talk about legion
@@paulakroy2635Yes please
It's like looking in a mirror... I fully support this and that! Legion season 1 was gold, fell off afterward though. The Defenders was great and the start of Finn's redemption and a real threat outside the MCU that was actualized: The Hand. That could've set up groundwork for DD and IF meeting Blade way before Fiege announced the disney+ series.
I have a question is it welcome? Or welcomed?
@@herestoustx6123, I believe it's "welcome."
Idek. I googled the quote. 😅👍
nando:explains the hands plan In defenders
me:wait that was their plan i don't even remember that
They had a plan? They were iron fists main villains and i still dont know what they wanted
Something about immortality granting Dragon bones.
@@Hypnotiqgenes
Yep. They wanted to be immortal and to return to Kun Lun.
The Foot Clan is a parody of The Hand, but The Defenders never rose above TMNT levels of dealing with hoards of faceless ninjas.
the funny part being that the foot clan being a parody of the hand isn't even in TMNT nowadays- the original foot were parodying the faceless ninja horde thing by being just as violent, horrific and deadly as a horde of ninjas would be.
Um it's Pg13
@@homelander1601 not in the original comic its not. TMNT got famous after they sold the licensing rights to a TV show, which was definitely kid friendly, but the mirage era comic run that preceded it was... not particularly child oriented
@@reganator5000 not really any comic characters are. MCU made all the characters for babies
How is someone like zemo for a baby.
"Iron first was also a show" DEAD. lol. I actually didn't mind IF. *Shrugs*
Kamoshun season 2 was great!
@@toakovika i agree it waa such a
Huge improvement
Colleen wing kept me going to watch the show tho
@@thespidernaut2411 facts
You have no soul.
"Ironfist was also a show." My mom woke up because I legit laughed out loud.
It was very much technically a show
🤣🤣🤣
Nando v Movies I feel that is stretching the definition
I guffawed loudly
It is my favourite.
Honestly think I would’ve enjoyed a show just about Matt and Jessica more, their on screen chemistry felt so natural whenever they got to share a scene.
Because Luke and Danny are so different they would REALLY make a fantastic Heroes for Hire in this universe. Perfect buddy cop duo
They shoulda just did heroes for hire for 3 seasons instead of 2 for luke and 2 for iron fist... But those season 2 team ups shoulda been more
@@rickytorres4213
They really meshed well in their scenes together. Neither are strong enough to anchor a show solo but they could do it together.
But all lost, like tears in rain, when the Disney streaming service was launched.
@@alanpennie8013 actually.. No its not.. Due to netflix contract they cant use the characters for a couple years.. So by 2021 they can be on disney plus
@@rickytorres4213
You give me hope.
@@alanpennie8013 yeah i looked it up and there was an article it said late 2020 for daredevil, luke cage, and iron fist.. Jessica is gonna be like a year past them
The fight scenes would stand out more if they didn't all dress like normal people. Just saying.
or if there were actually some lights
No dude, costumes would’ve made it too silly
Reg clothes for street level heroes, for sure
That's always been ridiculous to me, DD has a costume, punisher has one, the hand ninjas actually dressed like ninjas in dds2 which they should have done in def. And one of the reasons I don't like this irin fist us because he didn't wear a version of his costume
The fights also weren't incorporated very well. They felt like SNES RPG random encounters - like suddenly battl emusic starts, everybody gets in a fighting pose, and then when it's done they get EXP and resume the cut scene.
"costumes? What are you, some kinda comic book nerd?"
-the producers
I actually considered The Wrecking Crew as villains for a solo Valkyrie movie, reimagined as Asgardian refugees who, fed up with their relative squalor as seen in Endgame, dig up some Asgard “plot coupons” to remake Earth as a new Asgard.
Yooooooooo that could be cool too
That’s a badass idea. Wrecking Crew needs more love
@@MGSBlackCat17 too bad their costumes haven't aged well.
That would be dope.
Have some literal gods working manual labor on a planet that used to worship them... led to anger and crime.
That would be an enemy we could sympathize with, having seen what happened to Asgard and what they went through. They could be antagonists that would be easy to understand their motives.
Also, I doubt there are any die hard Wrecking Crew fanatics who will freak out at the change. Lol
@@DanteYewToob and we could also have Excavator appear later on since he is Piledriver's son. Altough I believe that could have been a subplot on Nando's version of the Defenders.
The villians should have just united threw my boy Kingpin! Purpleman, Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, Bushmaster and the ultimate threat...Stiltman!!
tbh Stilt Man is too strong for any hero
Yeep
@@crablord7934, You might be right! LOL!!!
I think an assembly of villains from the other shows would have been the better choice. Killgrave was dead though, but kingpin and gao plus black mariahand/or bushmaster and maybe the Segourney weaver character as the head of the company that gave superpowers to jessica jones would have been a more sensible villain teamup.
@@maximeteppe7627 That would be cool but it has the issue mentioned in the video: Those are all characters that the heroes have beaten before (I assume, not having seen Season 2 Luke Cage yet). IMO, it would be better to have a new threat capable of curbstomping the individual members of the Defenders show up. That way, our heroes have to scrabble around and work out in a hurry how to work as a coherent team to even stand a chance.
Each member of the Hand is symbolism for the writers/directors of each show: they all had their own version for how the hand functions but they are all too different to categorize in the same group (as in if the show didn’t specifically tell you that that group of ninjas was the Hand, it could’ve been any group or a random group of ninjas)
Jann Eduard Tomas Sure...because sub-groups of the same organization never operate differently nor color outside of the proverbial lines. Watch any gangster or mob film, and you’ll see plenty of examples where someone in the criminal organization is skimming money, while another covets leadership, while another wants the leader’s wife, etc...
Neat idea.
Something you didn't specifically point out but touched on, in a team-up it's important that each member fulfill a role that is unique to that character. Luke Cage should provide the raw power, Jessica Jones should solve the puzzles, Danny Rand should be the master technician when it comes to fighting, and Matt Murdock is a balanced mix of the three plus the experience and moral center to lead. As you said, in Defenders all four were almost interchangeable. Jessica had no more issue dealing with the top expert trained ninja bosses than Danny Rand, and that just doesn't make sense.
"Iron Fist was also a show."
Dying.
(Season 2 was a big step up tho)
Season two Iron Fist is one of my favorite seasons of the Netflix shows. Polar opposite from the craptastic season one.
@@Windupchronic It's a shame that it drops a whole pile of high-concept stuff right at the very end and then never gets to explore it. Out of all the shows it was the one that suddenly became hugely interesting before getting cancelled.
If they'd been a little more economical and quick with the storytelling in those shows we could have had all the crazy weapon-imbuing stuff for a wild finale.
Finn Jones was definitely miscast tho, they really needed either someone who already had martial arts skills, or to have done the stunt guy/mask trick from Daredevil, or have given the dude more time to train.
Jessica Henwick is MVP of that show.
@@hollandscottthomas "Jessica Henwick is MVP of that show." Agree 200%.
To be fair season 2 stepped it up by having less Dany Rand in it
Season 2 of Iron Fist and Luke Cage were both INCREDIBLE imo.
I literally loved how the “War of New York” literally consists of mostly small fights in a deep locations.
7:50 "in this movie", I guess Nando V TV Series is a lot less catchy
How about the "Nando Vseries?"
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Nobody at all
Danny: I aM tHE ImMoRTal iRoN FiSt
defender of kun lun
Sworn enemy of The Hand
Protector of this city
Nando v Movies wow, the legend himself is here
@@NandovMovies it took him forever to use the iron fist
Here are my thoughts about it b4 watching:
A) They called in a terrible writer for Iron Fist.
B) Marvel lost its faith on the project pretty early on.
C) Lack of connectivity with the rest of the MCU.
D) Disney+
Etneciv Lego Iron Fist had the same lame show runner as “Inhumans”.
@@melbrown2295 ohhh, obviously
Frank's minigun was there when he blew up his old house even tho he never uses it
THAT'S RIGHT! How did I miss that?
@@NandovMovies he never does anything after that with it so I don't know why he brought it
I'd honestly love to see how you would incorporate them back into the MCU either movie or tv show wise. Cause honestly a court battle between She Hulk and Murdock needs to happen in her show.
It seems it will👀
It did lol
The Marvel netflix show are all great!!
Luke cage was NECESSARY
Jessica Jones was BRAVE
Iron Fist
Daredevil was WELL WRITTEN
Iron Fist was THERE
Punisher was GORY
Punisher was GRITTY.
Iron Fist was....Iron Fist.
Wdym by necessary?
Iron Fist was THE IMMORTAL IRON FIST, DEFENDER OF K'UN-LUN AND SWORN ENEMY OF THE HAND
Luke Cage is not invulnerable. Tough skin does not mean invulnerable. He is vulnerable to heat, suffocation, drowning, hazardous gases, starvation, and all sorts of other ways.
I thought the same thing but I got his point: he is the most resilient of all of them
Defenders is post-Luke Cage s1 right? He gets an upgrade due to his procedure redo and in s2 we see him casually walk out of a fire (where heat and toxic air are definitely a problem) and his villain dumps him in the river after paralyzing him and he doesn't drown.
Luke only became stronger after his run in with death from the Judas Bullets. He's practically unstoppable now.
Alassandros Only way he can be hurt is by someone physically stronger than cause him internal damage.
In the show he’s pretty close now. That second trip through the process made him unaffected by Judas bullets and he was already virtually fire and explosion proof.
But that punch from Elektra should not have one-shotted him.
Unexpected, but nice to see some Defenders related content in 2019 :)
Despite that, daredevil was perfection.
#savedaredevil
Save daredevil and punisher. Both deserve a spot in the MCU for real.
@@RC_Rooster let’s hope the rumors that he’s gonna be in no way home are true and that the punisher shows up somehow in future movies or shows 🤞
@@RC_Rooster Daredevil is, now, but John Bernthal said he would only accept to be in the Mcu if they do something interesting with the Punisher
I feel like making the show centered completly around the most hated member of the Defenders was also a bad idea.
Ya know just a bit
Meh, i prefer the FOOT clan anyway.
What I loved about The Defenders was the scene where Alexandria unironically says "we're not so different, you and I" in a post-Austin Powers world. Now that kind of writing takes guts!
The awesome power of phoning it in.
"Iron Fist was also a show"
I don't believe you and you can't make me.
LOL
Iron Fist was the best Marvel Netflix show don't @ me.
@@melancholyentertainment
Man, the hand were such a let down. Up until the last few episodes of DD season 2 they seemed so mysterious and terrifying. Then, I don't know what happened. I really thought Madam Gau would have been much more of a master mind then she turned out to be. Like a Fisk with ninjas and dark magic. Oh, well.
anketicable All they needed to do was have her turn out to be Crane Mother!
So you called the Wrecking Crew in She-Hulk two years ago? Pretty impressive, man. Pretty impressive.
None of the Hand are dressed as ninjas either which is a big minus in my book.
The Netflix MCU literally had some of the best villains in my opinion. Both Fisk and Killgrave were amazing. So who did they pick for the big bad for the big team up series?... The Hand?!... And to make it worse The Hand even had an oppertunity to be a real threat. They could have resurrected Killgrave, one of the few people who could actually realisticly have beaten The Defenders. But no instead they resurrect Elektra as if that was gonna help them...
I wanted the main villain to be Kingpin getting a villain team together personally
The Hand could be a great villainous threat, if they could write them properly.
Ive never seen someone carry a show harder than Kilgrave.
@@HxH2011DRA
Personally I wanted Kilgrave controlling Fisk. Imagine a psychopath like that playing with a criminal empire like a toy
@@Scrummy64 that would have been interesting
I would love to live in an alternate universe where all of Nandos rewrites are actual movies
Get him to direct/write a "What If" episode.
We all dude mate I here in that universe someone didn't become a littrely captain planet villain and set the Amazon on fire. There are a lack of loonatics in potions of power the world over. Fire fly is in it 12th session the star wars prequels aren't bad and nether are the sequels. Peace and love rain
@@shmee123ful lots of spelling issues but I respect your moxxy
Make Nando the new Kevin Feige.
I don't. Half his rewrites are terrible.
Congrats on once again writing a Marvel script for free! The Wrecking Crew showed up in today's She-Hulk!
Superheroes and villains literally arguing about their opposing philosophies....I LOVE THAT!!!
"The hand was after this goo that would grant them temporary immortality"
*Kowalski, Analysis!*
Poor decision and storytelling sir!
I could never take Danny seriously when he talked about how mystical and powerful "The Iron Fist" is...
Considering that Dr. Strange bends the laws of physics in hundreds of different ways
Wait...did you just predict the Wrecking Crew appearing in She-Hulk??
The Hand is just so staggeringly incompetent that I rolled my eyes every time they reference how old they are. Like, how tf have they actually survived this long? Sheer luck has to be the only explanation. Also the Black Sky was set up as this ominous, apocalyptic-level MacGuffin but really it's just.... a slightly better ninja. That's cool I guess?
Nando....how many times are you gonna do this?! Wrecking crew in She Hulk? Are you getting writing credit?
Dude, you are really gonna have to convince me on this one. I've never imagined the Wrecking Crew as anything more than an opening villain for a Thor movie or something. But instead of fixing the Hand, you are replacing them with these guys. I really look forward to you convincing me that the Wrecking Crew are the best villains in the marvel universe.
It will be interesting to see how he deduces that they can fix the "All the Defenders do is punch stuff" problem, although I presume the start of that would be Jessica Jones or Luke Cage punching one of them to little to no effect and saying "Well, *that* didn't work!" Action in general is going to be more boring if the heroes are only bricks or martial artists.
@@markchapman6800 Indeed
Yeah the Wrecking Crew are fun but aren’t they basically petty criminals with powers?
@@eileen1020 That's definitely a *fair* take on the characters. But I imagine that only makes them *more* appropriate as Defenders villains. For the TV iteration we had, anyway. Very street-level, NOT Avengers-level type stuff. The real trick I'm anticipating from Nando's YT explanation(s) is how to spin a whole season out of the conflict.
@@mattpluzhnikov519 The big bad for the whole season though? I don't think they're enough of a threat for that, unless you level them up or have them working for/with someone else. I assume Nando isn't going with the latter.
First episode I made a joke to my mum that “Danny would accidentally fall into the door with his iron fist”
Then the finale happened and I realised the writers couldn’t think better than me 😓😓
“Iron Fist was also a show” is the nicest thing anyone’s ever said about that dumpster fire.
I assume you didn't watch the show?
I'm still sore. I so wanted this show to work. But it looks like Netflix wrote off this show before it began.
Otherwise why hire Scott Buck of all people?
I was down with IF. Defenders not so much.
I met an editor for Iron Fist. I have the worst poker face and went, “Oh…. I’m sorry.” 😕
The wrecking crew actually showed up in She-Hulk. Who knew?
I really think a missed opportunity was having Jessica be a Luke Cage knockoff, one thing i wish they could've done is use the detective skills she has because honestly besides the beginning what else did she really do here ?
But she does use it briefly to figure out Alexandra and co. are immortal
Whined and acted super-bored and skeptical. The first season of her show was decent, but man, that character was nearly insufferable.
ulises I’m not getting what your saying. Are you saying she should have been a knockoff Luke Cage?
Jessica actually saved both Luke and Danny
She put Elektra down long enough for them to escape
And she used her PI skills a lot in this show.
@@YkMarb what im trying to say is that I wish they had focused on her p.i. skills more in this, the resident super strong person was already luke, i just feel like they made her super strong person #2 in this
ulises Bascially your saying she should have just been pushed to the side. Why is it a problem that two people have Superhuman Strength? I don’t get why people hate her so much. If anything Jess abilities were more useful than Lukes
Iron Fist was a show. Yes when someone asks if i liked Iron Fist i also respond with that answer.
I kept up with the Netflix Universe up until Iron Fist, which I couldn't get through...and then after that it all went downhill
Jessica jones plot is basically "waaaaa I got mommy issues"
It was very flawed but I still loved it and found a lot of enjoyment. Okay it might mainly be because of Daredevil.
Vicious Savage The action was subpar compared to Daredevil, but there were still some really great action scenes. The villains were mediocre, but not bad imo.
Music is epic too
@@arc4859
I enjoyed when they were eating Chinese food and snarking at each other. There should have been more scenes like that.
Huh, I would have picked the Serpent Society or The Circus of Crime
A Circus of Crime played straight...
A sinister, unfunny clown with guns and grenades.
An armored lunatic who has himself shot ftom a cannon.
Twin grapplers who finish each other's sentences.
A whispering, crazed contortionist who lives in a trailer with 1,000 snakes.
And a flamboyant showman who can make you his mindless puppet.
It could have been nice.
"iron fist was also a show" I am ded
Fan theory: the reason the hand had such abysmal strength in the final fight was because Frank was on vacation in China and took their full attention.
Luke cage season 2 watching luke become Don Cage was incredible.
May sound trivial, but I think just giving them all their classic suits, maybe tone down the colour a bit to fit the series, would have made a big difference. Would have emphasised that this was a superhero team-up, rather than 4 people fighting together
the only thing i really didn't like about she-hulk... i've always really liked the wrecking crew because they are doofs but also because they are dangerous. i wish they saved them for something where they could be a viable threat. i mean they also wasted damage control, but maybe they could still somehow save the concept and have them show up there. they would have been great in a thor movie, explaining where they got their powers. really really unfortunate.
"I loved DareDevil and Jessica Jones, I liked Luke Cage, Iron Fist was also a show" killin me dude...
I know Defenders was flawed, but I loved seeing the shows and characters crossover. I especially loved the scene where, and I’m paraphrasing here, Luke tells Danny to sit down and be humble lol.
Low key was thinking you were hinting at the ninja turtles at the end while being confused cause I’m like they aren’t villains but who knows maybe it’s an alternate New York where Master splinter raised them differently
In the comics, the same chemicals from daredevils car accident created the ninja turtles.
I am so glad somebody else pointed that out. For Years, everybody said it was all because of Iron Fist. Iron Fist was never my favorite character by any means, but he was a way better character then any member of the hand was. They all can be summed up in one sentence: "They're a bunch of secret ninjas who constantly lose in each season they're in." While Iron Fist most definitely is the weakest Defender, at least they actually developed him. That's way more than I can ever say for any member of the hand
You called that She-Hulk thing, huh?
I totally forgot the existence of Sowande. Even watching the scenes now i have doubts about him being part of the show.
Defenders may of not worked, but daredevil is still marvel's masterpiece #savedaredevil
I was just so disappointed by how they couldn't build a compelling plot with Madame Gao. She was such an interesting character in Daredevil Season 1 and it looked like what we saw was only a part of her broader plan (the old "you've interfered but can't upset the REAL plan" villain). She seemed to be excellent as a setup for a multi-season plot. Then it wasn't developed well... or at all.
I like Defenders for character interactions between the main four. But I agree that the antagonists were the weakest part of the show; I felt that if you just locked them all in a room with Frank Castle, that would be the end of them.
I'm looking forward to how you're going to make the Wrecking Crew into interesting villains.
She Hulk 😞
I literally only watched defenders because it impacted season 3 of daredevil
They should of also put them in their costumes and use their abilites.
They should have gone with the guy who gave DD his suit and make some cool suits for jj and iroj fist and just give luke cage a yellow shirt🤣
@@OscarRamirez-bl5kr Yep. That would be awesome.
They shoud had give luke cage just a yellow bullet proof shirt
And imagine if iron fist had a suit like DD but i mean in a kung lung style
Oscar Ramirez that would’ve been dope af. I was so disappointed that we never got to see Danny fully suited up in his iron fist costume. Come to think of it everything about iron fist was just handled really poorly. Finn Jones was completely miscast, it was so obvious that he actually had little to no skill at fighting. And it was also annoying how he barely ever used his iron fist abilitu
I always thought it was racist that Madame Gao was a member of The Hand despite no foreshadowing or connection to Nobu, who was definitely a member of The Hand.
She and him could have at least had a moment where we learned that they are in the same organization, but instead we only get the idea that she is in The Hand later.
"Iron Fist was also a show" beggist letdown ever. I loved the character in the cartoons
I would've preferred if it was called "Marvel's Heroes for Hire" but it's a minor thing for me, personally
@Nando - I think you are giving up on the Hand too easily. I recommend replacing the fingers of the Hand with the Gorgon (occasional leader of the Hand). Gorgon has the regular superhuman suite of powers along with the martial arts training to make him a capable adversary for all four defenders. He not only compliments their abilities, but he can also superficially mimic the abilities of their enemies. As a telepath, Gorgon lacks the ability to "push" others like Kilgrave and is nowhere near a Charles Xavier level, but he can use this ability tactfully to get into the minds of the Defenders and make them doubt themselves and each other, and keeping himself three steps ahead of them. He is a genius manipulator, along the same lines as the Kingpin. He is fast enough to dodge bullets, durable enough to shake off attacks from Jessica Jones or Luke Cage, and powerful enough to match their strength with his own. He has super-human healing. He also has the power of the Greek mythological beings he is named for - his eyes can turn flesh to stone. This sounds like a cheesy power that sounds like a mirror will be involved in his defeat but I think it has potential if a writer is creative with it. I think it fits well because Daredevil would be immune to this power since the victim has to be making eye contact with him. This presents an opportunity in the writing for the narrative to require the heroes work together; Daredevil can't defeat him alone, and everyone else is at risk to this ability, which means they ultimately will need to train to see the world like Daredevil does and work together to overcome this foe.
My main issue with The Defenders is that they took what should have been a fun side-plot and made it the endgame for every series. The concept that we all of these heroes needed to team up to fight the hand was silly in the first place. Only two of the heroes have any stake in the plot, the other two are just kind of there for the sake of advertising, they don’t benefit the plot. And they tried to advertise it as a superhero show without ever presenting any of the heroes, barring Luke Cage to an extent, as superheroes. All of their storylines revolve around personal vendettas they have to resolve. In the end, the Netflix idea of making an avengers style big team up didn’t work because they didn’t set one up. It should have just been a one-off team up movie, without huge stakes, in which likeable characters met and it wasn’t about saving the world.
So are we gonna talk about him predicting the wrecking crew in she hulk?
they should have just built up kingpin across each shown defenders.
"Iron Fist was also a show"
Sums up my feelings perfectly
The quality of Daredevil’s action set a bar that killed both Iron Fist and The Defenders really.
Both of those shows were marketed as a step up in the action and stakes. But both shows felt really small.
9:20 The mini gun appeared at the end of Daredevil season 2, but Frank didn’t use it.
So lame that punisher never got to use it
I wanted more Luke and Jessica, but the story wanted to focus on Danny and Matt.
Iron Fist can be great in a teamup with Luke Cage, but this one just didn't work. And Daredevil just seems to work better on his own.
I liked it. It wasn’t great but it wasn’t awful IMO.
Daredevil and especially Jessica Jones are my favorites of them.
Vicious Savage well that’s like your opinion, man. ✌️
I’m pretty picky but I was able to watch the whole season. I liked the exchanges between the four of them. And I’ve definitely seen much, much worse.
Heather Holt I felt the same, except DD & Luke were my favorites.
No, it was awful.
Don't kid yourself, it was abysmal.
The pacing alone destroyed the show. The writers I'm sure had a plan for the show but the execution was not in any way, cohesive. This made the show feel like each episode was written by different people.
I don't think it's necessary for an antagonist to be physically threatening.
The best example of this is The Dark Knight of course.
(Btw: I love your videos)
Not to Batman, but he did conceivably threaten Harvey, Gordon and all them.
Had Iron Fist not been a whiny entitled boring white boy with an awful first season - the Defenders plot which hinged on a lot of story built in his particular series might have been more interesting instead of just Iron Fist Season 1.5 and friends.
Pretty much
If a rewrite did go with the Hand (and made them more threatening somehow), every Defender should've had one specific enemy, like Luke VS Sowande, and just have Punisher show up as the 5th Defender.
I know most people don't like Iron Fist or the Defenders, but I've always really enjoyed them along with DD, JJ and LC.
Yeah, one issue when it comes to using the same villain group over and over again is keeping them consistent and interesting.
welp, Nando predicted wrecking crew in she hulk
As much as I really like most of the Netflix MCU characters, I gotta say that I'm definitely intrigued by your idea of pitting the Defenders against the Wrecking Crew as well as the other ideas you put forward.
" The show left almost no impact" - It's kinda funny, because everyones superpower was punching.
Amanda Diamond I disagree.
I feel like I vaguely remember something about a magic crowbar being in the plot of a one-off episode of Agents of Shield
"Iron Fist was also a show."
But was it, Nando? Was it REALLY? I'm not entirely sure it was.
I saw this in my feed, thought to myself "I never got around to watching Defenders, but I'll watch the video anyway, see if it's worth going back for", and then as I saw more clips of it realized that I had indeed seen Defenders and had forgotten it completely. So, you know, point made
Lol, really nailed that Wrecking Crew prediction
I still think they should've pulled a "Ballad of Kite Man" thing and had Stilt Man be the main villain. Very few mainstream audience members know anything about him so they could've taken as many liberties as they wanted with the actual character (i.e. given him some real depth on the scale of Kingpin or Bullseye), it would've been a great service to the fans who've been talking about the stilts since Daredevil Season 1 and, most importantly, would've given all the Defenders something to bounce off of. Luke could've been in his signature state of constant disbelief, Jessica would've had something to ridicule, Danny could've been overconfident and got his arse kicked (learning a valuable lesson about humility in the process) and Matt could've taken it uber-seriously. All characters are respected, we get a villain no one would've seriously seen coming and also, it's something that they can't just go to the Avengers about because the Avengers aren't even gonna send Hawkeye to deal with a dude who calls himself Stilt Man
Also they could've saved the Hand for Defenders Season 2, giving them time to focus on what the Hand is actually about and giving Elektra's resurrection some actual payoff because she was dead for longer than five minutes
But yeah the Wrecking Crew story's pretty awesome
I liked Defenders but none was taking the role of Leader. That was what I felt was a flaw of the series.
Luke beating Sowande offscreen was so unsatisfying. I never understood that choice. I briefly thought they turned Luke, with mind control or something, to spy on the others, but they never developed it any further. Weird.
Yeah I'll never understand that one.
Defenders is pretty much only successful at making me want to get dim sum
Case in point... I had completely forgotten that "The Hand" was the villain in this Marvel TV Series, lol!
I"ve always prefered "The Foot", the strret gang like cult of Master Shredder in TMNT anyhow, re-lol!
Man this is sweet, I've been waiting for a video like this.
I love when you call things like the Wrecking Crew being on She Hulk
But they were wasted on She-Hulk.