Turkey: Can democracy and Islam go together? - Docu
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- Is Turkey a country where democracy and Islam can be combined? Turkey is an interesting case as it is a place where political ideas of democracy are not new but where also a lot of people are religious and practicing Islam. Can democracy and Islam go together and if yes, how? An investigative documentary about Turkey, democracy and Islam.
The classic dilemma of democracy is that the system can raise itself by majority vote. A democracy can in theory also enter Sharia. This makes Turkey an interesting test case for political commentator and Newsweek columnist Fareed Zakaria, who earlier warned that democracy can degenerate into a tyranny of the majority. In 'Turkey: Can democracy and Islam go together we try to found out if this is a possible combination.
The summer of 2007 was the hour of truth in national Turkish politics. The Conservative Islamic AK Party redeemed its parliamentary majority and AKP leader Abdullah Gül became the new president of the constitutionally secular Turkish Republic after three rounds of voting. It is an abomination to the secular forces that blame the conservative Muslim Gül and his similar devout wife that wears the Islamic headscarf for their Islamic origins. But also, in Europe these developments are looked at with suspicion. Remarkable detail: from all Turks it is the AK supporters that wish to join Europe. Because of the trade. But also because of the freedom of belief.
We outline the current situation in Turkey during the theme week WE ARE THE BOSS (5 to 12 October 2007). The makers followed in summer 2007 both the secular and the Islamic camp in the run-up to the parliamentary elections. In Kayseri, stronghold of Anatolia's economic tigers and the electoral base of the AKP, Abdullah Gül and the local candidate Murat Cingi are portrayed. From Istanbul we look at Turkey through the eyes of former general Sener Eruygur, avid secularist and chairman of the Association for Preservation of the Mind of Kemal Atatürk. From the New York offices of Newsweek, Fareed Zakaria, draws conclusions about modernity, moderate Islam and the future of Europe. Will Turkey become the first true Islamic democracy?
Original title: Democracy Dilemmas
Originally broadcasted by VPRO in 2007.
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Directed by: IJsbrand van Veelen, Dorothée Forma
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Note: this doc is from 2007. But very actual. And accurate.
Bruh, lmao, Erdogan is just a secular dude
@@13thdivision70 he is not like mustafa kemal
@@selaluoposisisiapapunpresi7982 Erdogan and Atagay are apostates anyway
@@13thdivision70 how?
@@selaluoposisisiapapunpresi7982 they are democracy lovers lmao
Name one Islamic State where democracy is working smoothly. I’ll be waiting.
Uae,Indonesia,Malaysia etc...
Democracy is messy in nature. Look at dirty stink you india for example where things move! But Indonesia, Tunisia Malaysia. These are working much better then the perceived modern turkey. However I don't believe democracy alone are enough what any political system should has is freedoms, economic growth, stability. I mean Somalia is a democracy but I prefer to live in absolute monarchy Qatar where my freedoms and life protected and a state well-governed rather than choosing Somalia, Congo etc.
@@KBS_ar My brother dont listen to this fool because they think Modern society is the best and has "freedom" but its totally false look at my country for example Bosnia and Herzegovina is a modern society and its a complete mess, we have 3 president, school are segregated between muslims and christians and normally Bosnia should be a islamic free state country but they dont want to.
@@PokemonBarry12345 😀😁😂😃😄😅😆😅😄😄😃😂😂😁😁
U idiot, There is no Democracy in UAE
@@PokemonBarry12345 malaysia ,uae and indonesia ?what a moron...
this candidate at the beginning was dealing with his wife like if she was a servant
its all matter of perspective, USA the "beacon of democracy" is backward in many aspects, when you think about Gun rights, Extreme liberalism, Abortion laws, Racism, Money in Politics etc.
The first one minute, basically every country has the government they deserve. So if a country is going to have a democracy it has to happen organically from within them not by US trying to gain control over them in a very modern day colonialism plan.
Yeah but when the goverment surpressed them whst should they do?
I would like to clarify some points about secularism: Secularism does NOT equal atheism or irreligiousness. Secularism is one of the foundational pillars of the Republic of Turkey; it's not necessarily anti-religion; it's done to repress pro-religious fanatism.
Of course, the military supported secularism and has done many terrible things in the name of secularism--especially on 28th April 1997 and 12th September 1980 coup d'état--one must accept this fact. Even though this anti-democratic state does not legitimize political Islam, it's arguably worse than military order. Political Islam is nothing but a totalitarian order in which one must obey the leader or, say, sultan.
If we want to have democracy in Turkey, we must have a liberal and secular (again, I highly want to warn, that does NOT include any enforcement against religious people) policy.
I am Djiboutian 🇩🇯 who spent my life in turkey 5 years As student. Nowadays AK party is losing its influential in turkey because economy crisis and mismanagement of refugees and low interest rates
Turkey? Have you been to the UK recently?
Flav C not yet.
Why does it make a difference? Why uk makes a difference.. history evolves around this area ?
@@Sedatyunus speaks someone who's never been to the UK then
Simple answer for this question: NO. As a muslim turk, we have to choice between being Islamic country or being democratic country. I believe we have to make turkey Islamic country again, like before.
InshaAllah one day we ll come back! Just be patient bro
@MUN Chak naah. Seculars have their own states and they are in the North of Turkey. Turkey is the border of Muslim lands and evil is sitting on the other side of this fort wall.
it will be better. Because it will never drop down to the level of india where the mockery of others is a common game.
very much in agreement with the opening statement
Its not the business of non Turks
Abdullah Gül wife behaves like his servant not his wife.
muslim culture.
@@eliashussainyaqub906 Islamoephob spotted secondly it seems to ignorants like u.
@@cartoonclips6487 boring answer bro.. you know it's true.. man is over woman in islam..
@@cradleofanal in Christianity and Judaism too
Interesting test case. Like in western democracies Christian parties are often obstructing liberalism on issues such as abortion, euternasia, etc., a Muslim party may be expected to do the same. However, in a country with 99% Muslims showing so much support for secularism, a Muslim government may turn out to be surprisingly tolerant,
51. The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say: “We hear and we obey.” And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise).
52. And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, fears Allah, and keeps his duty, such are the successful.
Quran (Surah Al-Noor, Verses 51-52)
Im Turkish, I aganist french secularism in Turkey! We are Muslim but many islamic rules banned in Turkey, old times
No dude,we are not muslim like you , just talk for yourself
@@srdrmcnl no we are muslim leave tyrkey if u not muslim
@@rayendaoud5427 Why would I leave Turkey if I ain't a Muslim? I am a proud Turkish citizen and an atheist at the same time. Who are you to tell me leave my own country?
@@yeaboi564 because the real Turkish people are Muslims not fucking atheist
Im kurd elhamdülillah muslim and turkey muslim country kabul etmeyenler sg olun
Before Erdogan Turkey was a parliamentary republic, now, after the coup, it is a presidentialist republic. Turkey is walking long steps towards a dictatorship.
This candidate guy's accent is so thick I had to use subtitles in some parts to understand what he was saying.
You don't know anything about Turkey
@@aliakoval2038 then tell me why I'm wrong.
Can democracy and Christianity go together ?
If the answer is yes, then yes also for Muslims
Sharia dont go with democrasy. If u claim so bring proof plz ???
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I agree religous leaders shouldn't rule, nor sharia(Islam-inspired laws).
But secular laws can be motivated by Islam. And it does happen in democratic societies such Indonesia and Malaysia.
I mean if you know little about the evolutions about laws they used to be religious but then seclurised by using different terminology. Lost of UN laws are influenced by Abrahamic religions.
@@jaazzyfame3658 first tell me the pillars of democracy.
No usa is not christian not so see for urself
Prophet mohammed ran a dictatorship.. if you where not down with his rule.. you get eliminated.. and that is the nature of Islam.. so no Democracy does not work with Islam..
No and Atatürk knew it very well. Democracy only works where people are less religious
Tell that to America. It was extremely Christian up untill about now but they are the most free nation. It depends on the religion most are extremely different. There is a reason Islamic Countries are some of the least free countries in the world especially for woman.
@@hggfhh4449 you are ignorant to history and only looking at the world through a post colonized lense. First university was created by Muslim woman, while women were being tried as witches in Europe. Muslims have regressed, but the religion stayed the same.
beynindeki örümcek ağlarından kurtulmadıkça seni ve senin gibilerini hiç bir demokrasi düzeltemez.
Even, the largest muslim population country in the world is technically a democracy country system without doing such secularism.
What country;
The Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said, “No.” The Hour will come when you will fight the Turks, who have small eyes, red faces, and wrinkled noses. “It is as if their faces are hammered shields, and the Hour will not come until you fight a people whose sandals are hair.” Sahih al-Bukhari 2928!
This guys says "our insurance and support is the Turkish military", We as muslims say our insurance is the Almighty Allah. Islam and democracy can not be or be run together.
No
Yes because Islam is a religion of democracy and turkey is a Muslim country
@@abduraahmanreturn9701 turkey is %40-50 percent muslim and %70-80 doesn't even practice and rads like erdogan keeps using religion so no, mixing religion with politics is BAD.
@@don_dombalak According to the government, 99.8% of the Turkish population is Muslim (although some sources give a slightly lower estimate of 98.1 percent) with the most popular school of thought being Sunni Islam. There are also a minority of Sufi and non-denominational Muslims.
so shut up lying to yourself you hypocrite, Secularism too much is bad, for society, we need a balance between religion and secularism basically a 50/50 system!
@@GoPrayDontDelay sufism isn't a sect any muslim can be a sufi unless your madhab rejects it as ok
He treat his wife like a maid.
@B3rfinnn_ Wifes that actually want to be good wifes, are the BEST wifes.
Nope .
Like she is just there to serve him.
That's muslim culture
Fareed Zacharias’ comments haven’t aged very well….
@@kungflu5205 the video is one thing. Zacharias comments are another thing. Capicce?
Why would you post a video with an English title when it is narrated in some other language?
Hi Mike, there are english subs, right? And this is an international channel!
If Fareed Zakariyyah wants liberal democracy, he should stay in the USA. No one is telling him to get involved in Turkey.
liberal democracy is for everyone.
I'm Turkish, it can go well. Like the gentelemen who's being interviewed said the democracy spread only would work with in it. I don't support any involvement from foregein forces who don't understand the subject yet. The populist Kemalist (!) and people who believes Islam combined with Ataturk's ideologies ( Secular Muslims) two different group. There's also extremists as well like as some AKP's members but not all of them, it's still democracy and works.
Can anyone show me only one verse from the Quran which explains what "Islam" and "Muslim" is? I do not want your thoughts and conjectures I just want what Allah said in the Quran, simply "What Islam means". Peace
What does Jihad mean?
@@cradleofanal Struggle
Islam=Total submission to the will of God. Muslim=Is one who totally submit to the Will of God. Islam = Act. Muslim = Actor.
@@cradleofanal Jihad is making yourself BEST in the service of yourself and others. Smiling to a stranger is considered Jihad because most likely it will make the stranger feel better and welcome. Acquiring a skill to make yourself productive is Jihad because you will be able to contribute to the society instead of being a burden. Of course another form of Jihad is defending your dignity ---- freedom; and not the subject of exploitation and slavery by others.
@@cradleofanal It means struggle, it can In all forms, even good to your parents or working hard is jihad. But thanks to that one specific day in 9/11 the views on the Islamic world (specifically middle east, which is where Islam started) changed drastically into; disgust, fear and even hate. A proof of this is that most of the anti-muslim sentiment/memes/political posts were ALL post-9/11. The reason people now view Islam and Muslims as a barbaric, uneducated and obstacle religion is because of that single event. If 9/11 or the war terror never happened, and we have better airport security and the borders around the terro dominated areas were closed, we would be living in a much accepting and peaceful world. "How does this work? not everyone is American." You might say.
The way it works is that America was the most influential nation, it ideas and thoughts spread to all over the western and the non-western world, so the hate generated by the "middle east is a terrorist cesspit" propaganda fed to American media to create support for the invasion caused people to get a very, very negative view on Muslims.
For the war on terror, whoever, Islamist *radical* (focus on these two words, Islamist and radical, not the regular Muslim) recruiters and leaders used America's invasion on the Arab land (Arabs represent most of the Muslim world and are (trust me) very bias towards opinions coming from themselves) as a "proof of the west being the enemy of the word of God and Islam" (Read more on the "War on Islam" conspiracy theory in Wikipedia) and "The true enemy of the ummah (Muslim Nation as in unity in Islamic religion)". Back to what I said before on America being the most influential, the Western world also viewed this as a threat, a danger to their society and values (because apparently *radical* Islam is what most Muslims follow).
This is why today, people like *you* (probably) see Islam as autistic barbarism, and even made ridiculous claims that democracy doesn't work for Muslims because brown people are "morally and ethnically bankrupt to be able to have a democracy". And apparently, "people get the governments they deserve", ignoring the history of colonialism, and civil wars which were caused by it, that led to mass corruption and abuse of the broken state of many of these nations by first world countries that happen to be western (sad coincidence), like France with sub-saharan countries.
I think this is enough for you, friend.
Another question: Can democracy and Christianity go together?
Yes of course.
@@ynadejesus8172 You need to learn some history. Especially the middle ages.
@@gudeiaht5091 is it still middle ages now????? I'm talking about now.
@@gudeiaht5091 christianity today is more of identity than ideology in many countries.
@@ynadejesus8172 There is no country ruled by Christianity today. If you want to know what a country ruled by Christianity was like, look to the middle ages.
I would like to see Turkey become a full member of the EU, but they seem to be doing amazing things on their own. Modern technology will create a global economic boom and Turkey is in the perfect geographical position to benefit from this future increase in trade.
@YabaLovesKirsty If we increase peoples wealth and give them fast free global internet, with powerful computers, then it empowers them. I agree language and religion is a problem mainly because it divides us, but my main concern is psychopathy and psychopathic leaders. Democracy is good at removing bad leaders.
@YabaLovesKirsty Who says its not possible? What the hell?? You are free to change your religion with your own will, who said that you couldn't?
I think Fareed Zakariyyah got something wrong here. He sees Turkey becoming secular as a form of "modernization". This idea of modernization seems to be a very vague term and it depends who you are talking to. Actually, we don't need a secular state to make economic reforms and so on. I mean Islamic banking is now one of the most popular forms of banking in Istanbul. Trade agreements, treaties and so on are all based on Islamic tradition. We can look back to the treaty of hudaybiyyah, the dealing with the non-Muslims of Madinah, the relationship with the kingdom of Abyssinia, the delegates sent to Persia and Rome. If we look toward the time of Umar ibn Al-Khattab for example, you can see the public services he established and later even laws for public trash services during the Umayyad, Abbassid and such all derived from Islamic rulings.
You simply are losing the rationale.
You see Islam as "superior" and everything derrived from it to be superior and you think it'll be same always. But my friend you're wrong. Islamic banking is popular because of the nudge government do to make it popular. Secularism is necessary, a state blatantly claiming to be of certain religion is just "medieval and stupid" coz it not only pushes the other religious demography to backseat, it also comes at disadvantage when we talk about "opportunity cost" associated with secularism. Secularism not only inculcates "best practises" but also shatters any boundaries which any state religion(say islamic laws) would draw.
Turkey is well off coz kamal ataturk chose to be secular and accepted modernisation. Modernisation as in , he gave up "old" islamic rules and framed his country to get and try everything on the plate.
So secularism and modernisation are very much related if taken practically.
You are one of the few people to put a comment under this video doc that has complete sense(some of these other commenters I have read under this video have been Idiots and dopes)
@@Cryboutet some of this is a valid what you about Kemal Atatuk's reforms in the 1920's.and Turkey does have religious minorities such as Jews,Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians that have long been in the margins.
Yes secularism is modern
You should know what is democracy first.
Basically, people consider democracy as choosing one's political leader with their own hand but that's just a half-way answer for defining democracy.
Democracy has three basic principles come together : universal human rights must be guaranteed by rule of law / fair system for choosing politicians by people / utilitarianism doesn't harm human rights
Without those conditions coming together or at least people and government trying to fulfill that, we can't consider any kind of political system as democratic.
democracy= a little math and some freedom
Yes and thats why any country can quention its own democracy and caught up of civil war, even in america and president gave his life saving it, imagine if there is a upper bussiness usa clone trying to gain profit from it. But now america always try to profit from any civil war rather than become neutral or silence at least
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Can democracy and Islam go together?
The answer is NO
They arise from a different principle
Do not say NO to Samuel L Jackson, is that he will not tolerate this. Besides Samuel L Jackson believes all Islam nations go democratic, especially Saudi Arabia.
Crazy if Indonesian like you say NO, while you got to the ballot every 4 year
11:13 example. In modern society men shake hands with both men AND women
In modern society, women would choose to shake hands or not.
It is considered a shame not to shake hands in Turkey.
It is not about if, but _how._ Democratic structures in many places occurred naturally on smaller scales (without conceptual knowledge of it) - like on a tribal/village level (council). Scaling up is the challenge.
a council is a form of democracy but not the one that includes the majority of people
Actual title of the documentary: "Fareed Zakaria making himself an idiot", but it took a decade for the likes of Fareed Zakaria to grasp it.
That is the actual flaw in your democracy bruh. You represent your nation's point of view.
@@miscusi6340 As if Islam has managed to unite all different Muslim nations under one banner for more than 5 seconds...
wait he is wrong on that islam doesn't have international trade law
The answer is YES. Democracy can go together with islam. For example malaysia and Indonesia in southeast asia, are an islamic state that use democracy for decades and have no problems blending it in their religion. You guys should stop viewing islam only focusing on places with internal turmoil like middle eastern and the west. Islam is not backward, it is more flexible than what other people think.
Indonesia was hindu and buddhist country in recent past hence there culture is more compateble to democracy as compared to ethnic muslim countries.
@@khemsinghawana4419 then, religion shouldn't be the issue here. The cultural believes are the reason why most islamic country find it difficult to blend in with democracy. It is not the religion, its the people. Because there are other countries who majority of the population are practicing islamic life but still still able to use the democracy system in their country.
@@khemsinghawana4419 LOL tell that to the caste system, alot of Indonesians abandonned Hinduism because of the caste system, read your history
@@persatuannusantara caste system is a problem only if you believe and follow it.I dont believe in superiority of any caste or clan hence it doesnt exists for me i dont have to convert to sth in order to realise that.
And i have three siblings who are masters' in history so i know a lot of history.
@@nurulshafiqahizzani5851 remember religion never comes alone!
It is always followed by the culture of its country of origin.
Most of the so called arabic countries now a days were not considered arabic before islamic age but as predicted their culture became arabic few centruies after becoming islamic.
Now when the origin country (SAUDI) itself is not compatible with secular democracy it becomes difficult for others to do it. Because it is the one sponsering mosques , madarsass and muftis around the world and it possess the holiest sites of islam ,there is no way out of it. Additionally Saudi Arabia is rich and is sheltered by powerful US so how do you think muslims will ever get out of its cultural influence? When west itself is alined with it.
this documentary is from 2007. It changed a lot since then
What changes has happened everything is the same and getting worse in Turkey you guys heading to sharia
@@sametsamet-sr3nj sharia law is like justice go learn about islam b4 u bark here
@@E25-e2w Pakistan?
@@johnpijano4786 no what's ur problem
@Mustafa Kağan Gölgeleyen ;) I too secular mate but I'm in dobt about 60 percent population of Turkey this people for 20 years has been voting for Erdogan I don't believe Turkey is secular nation unfortunately.
Who is this guy? Who works for CNN to determine what is backwards and what is not backward??!!
Islam is not backwards it is stuck in the 7th century.
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Mr Zakaria, I'm pretty sure that you do not have enough knowledge about Islam!
(7.09) you said, "No islamic way to pickup the garbage and no islamic way to provide healthcare..." you are WRONG. There is Islamic way to pickup the garbage, to provide healthcare and to make trade agreement with other countries. Islam is a complete code of life bestowed by Almighty Allah for mankind.
You should know your religion more. Don't just do politics, do some more study as well
YES
No Translation Text ? English Please?
Hi Rusmin Noer, thank you for your feedback, did you turn on the subs in CC?
Can Islam be separated from facism?
we send our love to the Turkish people for their love of the lord's final revelation [islam]
@Tariq Hassan silence murtad
zakaira just talks pretentious nonsense !
Fareed Zakariyyah has NO Islamic Knowledge whatsoever but you guys go to him for Islamic information? Where did he find that there is nothing about public services or trade agreements and such in Islam?
فريد زكريا حاقد على الإسلام و يرى التجربة التركية تهديد للعلمانية
@Tony DC First, Allah is the name of God. Because of your historic stupidity, let me learn you that what's known now as Turkey was the land of the Byzantine Empire and there were no Turks back then.
Islam is the belief and pathway that Allah (God) revealed to his last messenger to the sons of Adam.
Our prophet Muhammed wants humans to save themselves from hell by converting to Islam, the religion of all prophets. Also, he told us that the people of the book (old and New Testament) have changed the scriptures in favor of money and this temporary life. In addition, they made Allah (our God) angry by worshiping the good people like Jesus and what the Christian world calls now saints, so they left worshiping who deserves worshiping and started worshiping his creatures.
Allah (our God) told us in the Quran that Jews are more dangerous to Islam than Christians. Because Jews knew the truth, but they didn't declare it, for envy in their corrupt hearts. One of the last words of the Prophet Muhammed was "Allah damns Jews and Christians, they have worshiped their prophets' graves"
@Tony DC I'm Arabic
@Tony DC yes, I do
@Tony DC bruh Muslims don't hate Turks, you are a liar
@Tony DC bruh, your comment is just ridiculous
I think the question is answered within 13 years since this document released.
Did not age fine well
Ones who want relious state should go to countries that are religous countries. Religion is a personal affair not state busines. If you want ,you can spend 24 hours in a mosqe in praying.
2007
short answer ? No
i think, the main problem of muslims and including most of their scholars, are too much "legalistic," (fiqh oriented) as if ayatollah (god guidance) is only one: al Quran (holy scripture). factually, God him self, in very first revelation to Muhammad, is not asking Muhammad to study (iqra) the holy Quran (cos the kitab doesn't exist at that time), instead He command Muhammad to study (iqra) other ayatullah, we called as ayat Kauniyah (universe and all of His Creations in it). That why in serious and encyclopedic Islamic traditional school, we always taught that beside al Quran, there is another god guidance (ayatullah) called ayat kauniyah (the universe and all god creation in it). and for qur'anic scholars, we also know --from al Quran it self, there are two others god guidance (ayatullah), that we as muslims should seek for God Guidances: called as ayat insaniyah (human being) and ayat tarikhiyyah (human history).
if muslims, scholars, and other religious people, uses all 4 God Guidance in balanced ways, we will not always fall into legalistic point of view when we talking or examining Islam point of view about woman/feminism, politics, evolution, LGBTQ issues, democracy, etc. for me, if sociology, political science, statistics, history on the rise and fall of civilizations/countries (as interpreters of ayat kauniyah and ayat tarikhiyyah) comes to the conclusion that democracy is the best political system in the world for advancement human civilizations, then all Muslims should choose democracy as preferable political system to practice in all Muslims majority countries. also if expert on biology, doctors, psycholog, etc (as interpreter of ayat kauniyah and ayat insaniyah) , said that beside man and woman (as gender), we also has intersex, hemaprodyte, woman with more testosterones, man with more X chromosome, etc, then all Muslims should choose to agree that god him self gave us guidance / ayat that beside man and woman as gender, there also another genders/pronouns that we should cherish, protect, and respect (cos if we don't respect others God Creations, are similarly with we don't respect our God as their Creator).
if we stubborn, only picks, one ayatullah, we called al Quran (holy scripture/ayat Qauliyah), as the one and only god guidance to follow, then muslims and also others religious peoples, scholars, will fall upon into legalistic point of view (fiqh oriented) when we examining what is islamic point view on everything under the sky. wahabbiyah, isis, al Qaida, etc are trapped in this narrow point of view about Islam and its believe. of course, for responsible and encyclopedic islamic teaching, all those narrow point views on Islam are wrong (at least incomplete), misguided, and disrespecting God.
umar bin khattab, as on of few sahabah (closed friend of Prophet), several times choose to disregarding some textual issues stated clearly in al Quran, and pick other decision when he choose as Muhammad successor, as leader (khalifah/amir), if there are more fairer and more justice way (socially) on making decision as Amir/Leader, rather than choose from what already state very clear in al Quran, he always choose more fairer and more justice, even others sahabah question his decision. and as we know it, umar bin khattab is one of several sahabah that guaranteed by the Prophet that he is going to heaven. his way of leadership decision, was a hard evidence that the closest friend to Muhammad, also not only consider holy scripture (ayat Qauliyah), but also social aspect (ayat kauniyah), when he making decision as a leader.
nobody in umar bin khattab time, dare to called umar bin khattab as heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel. but in modern era, several of loud muslims, loud muslim scholars, and most of jihadist will immediately call us heretic/bid'ah, kuffar, or infidel if we also uses 3 other God Guidances beside ayat Qauliyah, when we speak, analyze, examining islamic point of view on everything under the sun. how strange is it, if we following completes God Guidance's, then be called as infidel, kuffar, or bid'ah. legalistic approach (fiqh oriented) on Islam has bad impact on advancement of Islamic civilization, and has backward effect on development of its peoples: the Muslims. but yes, in Islamic jurisprudence (ushul fiqh), we also has similar concept with Umar way, but unfortunately has more narrowed approach and clearly far from sufficient to be implemented in modern era, we call them: maslahah mursalah and maqashid syariah.
if we also incorporate social science, biology, technology, history, political science, psychology, etc (as part of rightful interpreter all of God Guidancs/ayatullah), many problem we faced today in many part of Muslim countries, will be addressed in responsible way. after all, in golden age of Islamic civilizations, all of our scholars/ulama was also scientist that breed many scientific discipline. fiqh, kalam and falsafah, factually quite obsolete for addressing social, economic, and political problem in modern era, and most of them derived only from ayat Qauliyah, which is incomplete way to sorting our problem in modern era. lets to back to the complete of God Guidance on solving problem in Muslims world. and stop kuffar/infidel calling game. lets go back to allah via ayat Kauniyah, ayat Insaniyah, ayat Qauliyah, and ayat Tarikhiyyah as a complete way on addressing our problems.
Are you a Muslim Scholar because I never heard any of these things which I'm just reading it on now
@@user-7707 yes, i am. i learnt since 7 years old in madrasah/pesantren (seminary). those God Guidance's are not my original concept. u may googling : "ayat kauniyah" or "insaniyah" or "ayat tarikhiyyah". jumhur (majority) ulama agree with me.
TLDR; Yes.
I have no idea what you guys talking about.. in 1481 empire ottoman saved 150.000 jews getting slaughtered in spain and got em a place to stay in that empire.. turks are actually a turning point for jews.. but these people didnt learn their lesson just because of their lack of knowledge of that both people come from Japheth nation... we are the same.. but ottoman empire ended up broken into pieces by them.. it shouldnt be that way.. its really sad.. we recognized jews just as our selves... believe or not we are the same.. jews and turks was one piece from the beginning...i am seriously wondering when our jew brothers and sister will understand this these religions were in only one faith before it broken into pieces.. we humans seperated them.. we follow marrys faith.. thats why muslim women wear headscarf..the whole deal was is nothing more that an update..religion is updating itself...
no they cant
Turkey is wonderful
In they own matrix.
Was
Islamic turkey will rise again and rule whole Europe again.... inshallah ...live long erdogan
Keep dreaming jihad loser
Shut up
@@dyfrigshandy western boot lickers can't see anything outside the bbc, cnn and fox news. There is a huge world outside the west
Amin 👍👍🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷 elhamdülillah
turkey is officially a secular country with no official religion since the constitutional amendment in 1928 and later strengthened by atatürk's reforms and the appliance of laicism by the country's founder and first president mustafa kemal atatürk on 5 february 1937. change the constitution and write it here . but careful you have to destroy anitkabir and turkish armed forces wont like it
On it now.
The answer is no
Is it End of Islam?
Keep exposing Islam only way to get rid if Islam. It is its own worst press.
Hi silly man
India was Democracy
More than south Korea 🤔
India has culturally always been mutual respect between Religion democracy
@@syedmujahedali9685 true it has never been Religious, my mistake.
It has been Dharmic.
Religion is Adharma. How could I compare those two.
@@syedmujahedali9685 stop playing victim card 🤡
I never heard a stupid question like this..
Ofcourse it can..
Why should it
Just don't interfere or bring them democracy like Iraq or afganistan or all other country's that your destroyed name of democracy 🤔
Why are they asking a dude who barely has any Islamic knowledge?
because i guess they think islam is simple and/or can't get in contact with a someone who understands or they don't want it to be biased i could see there being like the guy who understands and him it'd make it much easier to understand for people who have came across it
For a Secularist it's nothing but money for Islam it's nothing but humanity; Democracy is best practiced within Islam ie in Islam we don't change people's laws we judge them by their constitutions ie christians with their priests rulings, Jews with their Torah rulings... there's no democracy in Secularism it's a one constitution land which creates lots of conflicts.
15:05 kesinlikle toplumsal bir uzlaşı yok. Ne Kemalist laik düzen nede Anayasa topluma sorulmamıştır. Siz hiç açık oy gizli sayım gördünüz mü.
I choose Sharia over democracy
What TF is this language
This sounds like a cheap version of German
Dutch
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is turkey saccular ?
yup, it'll be much more secular when erdoGONE goes in the next election.
Yes turkey is secular country 1923 to 2012 ( Erdogan caming) even Atatürk gave women to voting and election in 1934
@@don_dombalak funny if you look at how may people actually had hope that he'd remove the stupid hijab rule made in 1980 and how he made Turkey a much more stable country mate he isn't going any time soon apparently he even has power up until 2029
@@polatdelil1713 In Turkey Almost 99% are Muslim . And In Muslim society girl's Prefer wear Hijab what wrong he done ? I mean in Your Poland Or Norway if Today Your PM banned Wearing Cross .OMG you will say death to Secularism.....Lol
@@masfiqratul7559 its just in id %99 thats nit real data i live in turkey and official numbers say we have more than 11 m atheist 300.000 Christian 50.000 Jewish 3m agnostic and deist and 3.000 Buddhist
separate state from religion...you know..like singapore
Short answer: no
No, Its can't go together. Proved
Subtitles???
Hi Fulaan1, did you turn on the subs in CC?
No thank god
NO
Sin is universal problem. Sin is ubiquitous. Humanity contaminated by sin. Sin in us by default, not learnt, not taught. Sin manifests in many forms - evil, crime. Sin is the opium. The origin of sin is unanswered.
My journey.
Sin is pre-existing in all. Nobody taught us to sin. Sin pre-dates The Bible. The Bible explains origins of sin. The Bible provides remedy for pre-existing sin, through Jesus Christ death and resurrection. The Bible is best selling book in the world for this reason. Sin is real, The Bible is relevant. Sin is born at every child birth. Sin is disease of heart, and Jesus Christ is the cure.
Satan is the enemy, came to steal, kill and destroy. Misleads us to blame good loving God. God is not the author of evil.
Media, Police, Defense, Judiciary, Penitentiary, Security, Contracts confirm sin exists.
The origins of life, natural laws, sin, morals, purpose, meaning, conscience, music, creativity, intelligence, beauty, color, nature, water, air, light and amalgamation, remain unevidenced - elsewhere.
We love truth when it enlightens us, but hate when it convicts us.
Instructing to "Heart wash" from sin is not "Brainwash".
God created universe, placed natural laws, made humans in His image, gave talents, instructed to multiply and explore - The Initiation of Science. Science is the legitimate child of natural laws. Without natural laws science has no foundation.
We are created with good purpose and meaning. We are good. Then sin entered through satan and we all fallen. Disease, despair, deformities, deficiencies, depression, stress, guilt, greed, hate, anger, rebellious spirit, spiritual death entered. Sin plays spoilsport.
Unloose the Soul from the tight knot of sin. Soul outlasts death.
Sinners cannot save themselves from sin. Jesus Christ, the Holy God, intervened, willingly died on The Cross and resurrected, for remmissions of our sins, to save us from sin and hell.
We are weak at the core, however we try to portray otherwise. We need Holy God's help, who is willing to help with open arms.
Unable to find any motive any reason for Jesus Christ to die willingly on Cross and resurrect - except His love to save us from pre-existing sin and hell.
Nobody died for our sins and resurrected - except Jesus Christ. Exclusivity
Jesus Christ claimed:
"I am The Way, The Truth and The Life". "I am The Resurrection and The Life".
"I am The Good Shepherd".
Jesus Christ has the authority to forgive sins.
Religion says "Do". Jesus Christ says "Done".
Religion is man's attempts to 'search gods'. Jesus Christ came from heaven in 'search of sinful man' to save from sin.
Salvation from sin and hell is not earned through works or deeds or pilgrimages or rituals or ceremonies or traditions or cultures or meditations or public displays or hypocrisy or making personal sacrifices or making animal sacrifices.
Salvation from sin and hell is free, but not cheap. Because Jesus Christ laid His life on The Cross, and resurrected.
God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. Just like a parent loves child, but hates disease in child.
We are saved by God's grace, not by our works.
Karma is getting what we deserve. Grace is getting what we don't deserve. Only Grace can be pre-fixed with word Amazing. Amazing Grace. Karma is not Amazing, it is depressing.
GRACE: Getting what we don't deserve - i.e. forgiveness of sin, eternity in heaven through Jesus Christ.
MERCY: Not getting what we deserve - i.e. punishment of sin, separation from God, eternity in hell.
Other side of death is eternity. Either in hell; or in heaven through Jesus Christ.
God offers grace and mercy for free through Jesus Christ death and resurrection.
Jesus Christ suffered, ridiculed, spat-on, humiliated, crucified on The Cross, and therefore He understands our pain. He raised victorious, we will too. Those who endure till end are victorious.
Jesus Christ coming again to judge all. The doors will be closed. Jesus Christ reveals every mystery, answers every question. We all deserve to know the truth. He is The Alpha and The Omega. He judges everyone.
One day every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
The First Christmas - Jesus Christ came to earth from heaven to save us from pre-existing sin.
The First Good Friday - Jesus Christ crucified to The Cross, died willingly for remission of our sins.
The First Resurrection Day, also linked to Easter - Jesus Christ resurrected from death.
Jesus Christ made entry to Holy Heaven free through Him. Repent of sin and be saved. Easy.
The First Coming of Jesus Christ - He is Lamb, slaughtered for remission of sins
to save us from sin and hell. And resurrected.
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ - He will be Lion, The Judge.
The Lamb and The Lion.
Jesus Christ forgave all who crucified Him, and now forgives all, even who reject, ridicule and mock Him. He loves all unconditionally.
Believe, trust, repent of pre-existing sin in Jesus Christ that He died for remission of our sins and resurrected, and coming back to judge, accept Him as Lord and Saviour, and be saved from sin and hell. Any time, any where. Even now. Simple.
Nothing to lose, everything to gain.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
I found God loved me regardless of sins, weaknesses and rejections by others. As sinner I cannot save myself through deeds. He believed me and has faith in me. I am not in competition with others. God loves you all, individually.
(My journal. Journey to life - after testing all 'isms' and religions, after failing to find origins, purpose and meaning of life, after swallowing pride, egos, anger, hate, depression.)
RM K
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". Jesus don't know when he will return back. How can a real God says he don't know?
I also didn't understand why only Jesus is considered as God while David and Solomon also called as "Son of God"?.
Some said because Jesus is the only begotten son. Then what about Adam and Eve? They are supposed to be God too right?
If sin is pre-existing, then what happen to people who live before Jesus? are they going send to hell eternally by the merciful forgiving God?
If i'm the Father, I can just forgive everyone without sacrificing my son. I can just simply wipe everybody's sin.
If Jesus already cover sacrifice himself for us to live in heaven eternally, does it means that I can do whatever I want? steal, kill, etc? because Jesus already released us from all sins. 😁
@@ahmadrifaieazhari3654 Jesus was total God and was total human when He was on earth. He prayed to Father God as a human being, to teach His disciples how to live and pray to God.
David, Solomon, Adam and Eve are humans and sinners and not died for remissions of sins of everyone. Only Jesus did.
Before Jesus Christ, there was the era of Law. The people were judged by the law and animal sacrifice was the remedy of sins. But Jesus came from heaven and died, shed His precious sinless blood on The Cross and resurrected and cancelled animal sacrifices.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remissions of sin. Father God can wipe away everyone's sins, but He chose to sacrifice His son Jesus to be the sacrificial lamb who shed His Blood.
Jesus emphatically said for those who repent of sins to not to sin anymore as human body becomes His temple. If anyone lives his or her own ways, it is their choice. Jesus never enforces.
Jesus loves you, me and everyone unreservedly.
P
Always remained the black Hebrew are left to element mr rule beginning Ottoman
THERE IS ÀN ISLAMIC WAY TO HANDLE EVERYTHING!!!😡✊🏾
well if you mean terorism pls try turkish armed forces still secular and waiting for you
Very old ducumentary. To answer your question no they can't. Even Erdogan has said so.
its not in english !
Turn on subtitles!
No 🤣🤣🤣
Answer is no and sharia is the solution
They Cannot!! Totally opposite idealogies!!
NO IT CANNOT
KEEP THE QUESTION SIMPLE 🙋♂️
CAN “ROMAN” CATHOLIC “DEMOCRACY” AND ISLAM ☪️ GO TOGETHER? 🧐
ANSWER: ISLAM ☪️ AND “ORTHODOX” CHRISTIANITY ✝️ CAN GO TOGETHER DEFINITELY 👍
@@demetrib2956 lol yes
NO.
@@johnmusa6534 Be Patient 👍 and keep watching “Breaking” News 📺
Re-Open the Halki
Theological Seminary, you LIARS!!!
Turkish people please believe the true God that is Jesus yes Jesus bless all
No🤥
Tirkey is Neither Islamic or Democracy
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Democracy its another religion, cant go with islam the true religion, of Adam, Abraham, Moses, jesus, Muhammad
This documentary is naive to thinks turkey edorgan like liberalism and secularism
no