I am so dissapointed that ESXi free is no longer available , I am using it for home lab and for me it work perfect, I was looking for proxmox but for me proxmox is not as comftable to use for setup "quick" a virtual PC for testing ... :( :(
I burned iso's of all the ESXI versions just a little while ago. I'm sure others will share so even though the community version is gone you can still install the ESXI and use it until the evaluation time runs out.
I really don't care because I don't rely on software or utilities that are out of my control and can't be continued in the event that the proprietor decides to shift gears. Plenty of people love to get up in arms about 'owning nothing' but it's funny just how few of those super motivated and definitely idealogically honest and consistent people are willing to just switch to an alternative and say 'come and take it'. If you put your trust in someone, and they let you down, that reflects poorly on them sure, but maybe you should focus more of the attention inwards because you can't control the trustworthiness of the outside world, so maybe you should be a bit more careful about who you trust in the future instead. If Apple fucks you over, where have you been the past decade, why are you still buying Apple products expecting anything else? No, I don't care about what Apple did, they did what they have been doing for the past decade, I care why you're making the conversation about them and not why you bought something from Apple if you didn't want to be screwed over down the line. After you know the nigerian prince is scamming you, if you send them money anyway that's not a scam anymore that's just an extremely strange act of chairty. Especially since Virt-manager, Proxmox, etc. are all completely free in every sense of the word I genuinely have no idea why people are making a fuss over this.
@@gregpenismith1248 I don't feel anything because, as I said, this doesn't affect me. You can either start taking accountability and improve your life, or continue not taking accountability and keep being confused why you keep getting fucked over. you can whinge, or you can work, but don't act surprised when people mock you for picking the former.
I tripped over this vid in my feed. Retired IT guy here. This is a great video. Straight to the point, full of information, and fluently presented. This video has so much to teach other TH-cam channels. It’s so lean and succinct. Very nice.
When you block smaller users from your offering, you are slowly but surely losing people with knowledge. They will run what they have access to, and apparently that will not be VMware going forward. Simple question: If you start a new business, will you choose VMware? No you wont. So when you grow you will still not have VMware. This automatically means that VMware is dead; long-term.
I teach for a college that is a VMware Academy. I used to be 100% VMware, but for the last server I built in my lab I switched to Proxmox. I have been teaching my students virtualization with Proxmox. I will likely switch the rest of the VM infrastructure over at some point this year.
@@joeperry2617 I would caution you to keep VMware in the mix. Having dealt with large enterprise customers for 30 years it would take them 10 to 15 years to switch to a new platform. Not to mention the US government.
I moved from ESXi to Proxmox a year ago. So happy I did. Migrated all my vm’s just fine. Proxmox also feels alot more open and flexible than the versions of ESXi I was using, and you dont need another product on top to fully monitor and admin them!
@@__SKYNET__ it was a few months ago now, but I seem to recall that I used the export function in ESXi, saved the vm’s to local storage, then connected the storage to the proxmox server importovf command in proxmox cli. It really wasn’t too difficult. It’s documented online
Just by chance, I built my first Proxmox server at the start of 2024 and for a home lab it works just fine - I just wanted to try it. Got two ESXi servers running for over 10 years, could be the end of that.
@@__SKYNET__ I did the same thing as the OP described. Some VMs were built from scratch. Mainly, Linux hosts that needed updated anyway. Some were exported to OVMF files and imported using the CLI in Proxmox. I was a Workstation user who experimented with ESXi, then later Proxmox.
HyperV is dead, and let me tell you from experience, I would rather try proxmox, which I have no experience with, than run several hundred hosts on HyperV.
@@SamAndrew27 HyperV is dead. You can get the code in Azure Stack, but for all intents and purposes, if you activate the HyperV role today, I believe, you'll find the same function it had two years ago... They're still patching bugs... when they feel like it... which isn't very often... The combination of HP Synergy blades with HyperV has got to be the most unstable virtualization infrastructure I have ever encountered. The contrast to Vmware ESXi on Cisco UCS is staggering.
Not knowing ANYTHING about your setup, but having just moved 10.000 ubuntu desktop users to kasm workspaces. I can wholeheartedly recommend that solution.
@@MeneM2Mateo We use VDI mostly to distribute a particular healthcare application. Kasm, as far as I am aware, is not a solution supported by that application's vendor.
We also have about a 1/3 of our endpoints on Horizon and that was about to extend. We are not as large as 50k but we have about 2k between two pods. I recently looked at Leostream which allows us to broker between a vSphere environment and AWS workspaces with the option of a list of different display protocols.
When I was young I was all open source advocate. Then as I moved into the commercial environment I softened to commercial software. Now I am back to encouraging open source usage where possible and spend your licencing money / budget on paying for support and development from the teams.
I work in a pre sales side of business. I have seen a surge in "non VMware " options for hosting opportunities by clients. Containerisation can be an answer but most of the enterprises aren't ready to invest such a huge amount to modernize their current technology landscape. Looking at the slump of the economy, most CTO have reduced the IT budget and it will be interesting to see, how VMware fares with such high prices and extreme cost pressure of business.
VMware has Tanzu which is containerisation. But at the end there will always be companies that can pay for it. It s like having a computer MAC. Those are expensive and not everyone can pay it . And it always get more expensive but people still pay it. There will always be people. Sadly all is getting more expensive in the whole world. IT s sad but Prices have been increasing since we were born! .
We heard Subscription Model and we headed out. No interest from our side. It's over, and we are not taking subscription based models. We wanna OWN. not RENT forever.
You always had recurring costs for support, unless running old hardware well out of service contract with perpetual licenses was your thing. I'm not saying subscriptions are good, mind you, and 'support' was always a near-scam anyway, a euphemism for "we'll give you essential bugfix updates you should've gotten anyway with your perpetual", but the days when you actually "owned" software in any meaningful and practical sense (never mind legal/licensing sense) are likely more than two decades ago if not more.
Don't worry, your diversity hire female CTO will no doubt recommend your transition to AWS or Azure. Because the cloud solves all the companies problems. Or at least that's what she will project to the big guy upstairs and management.
@@paulie-g i see many people say this, but they forget that you can do without those things should the economy take a turn for the worst. With subscription, it essentially becomes a power bill that you must pay or the lights go off. Subscription has its merits though...
@@GapYouIn2Subscriptions are good for a) poor young people/hobbyists who need to use an expensive piece of software temporarily, b) support subscriptions for open source projects, and c) services which genuinely have ongoing maintenance costs commensurate with the sub pricing. Everything else is cancer.
switched to ng-xcp several years ago and never looked back. I LOVED working with VMWare they just priced me out of the market. I run an ng-xcp cluster for my home lab three nodes plus an external nas and it has been a rock solid solution. xen orchestra has come a long way as well.
@@hottroddinn ng-xcp is *open*. It's a good guarantee to have, especially someone who's been forced to move once already. Not the OP, just my thoughts.
@@hottroddinn ng-xcp is better for a multi-tenant cloud setup than proxmox for one. xcp-ng doesn't require virtio drivers on new Windows installs, all drives/network adapters are seen from install. xcp-ng is easier to pass through hardware than proxmox. I also like that the web front end (Xen Orchestra) is totally independent of the functioning of xcp and even if it goes down the vm's still function as intended. Proxmox is better if you want to also integrate containers.
Show me any take-over deal where the service didn't go down whilst prices went up after a "honeymoon" period? Anyhoo, this will just push business further into the Cloud.
Well, the decision to start migrating our infrastructure at work to Nutanix just became crystal clear. 24k VDI desktops, and just about 1000 ESXi Hosts are firmly in the loss category for Broadcom beancounters.
@@memyself879Yes, and he is either a liar or rep for them. Nutanix is just Supermicro hardware + AHV (custom hypervisor) with a proprietary Apache based distributed storage stack similar to vSAN. It's incredibly expensive and nearly all support is behind an even more expensive paywall.
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@@memyself879 "and then realize that half of them are stupider than that" to partially (the part that's relevant :D) quote George Carlin. Though subscription isn't really as important. Important is (although many don't realize, not even after they got bitten by it) vendor lock-in or hopefully lack of same (thus, ease of migration out of an ecosystem)
The C-suites get richer and the middle class gets squished even more. I’m shocked this passed anti-trust muster. Oh, well. It’s the little guys who are gonna get screwed anyhow.
In my 'home lab' I've been using VirtualBox for years. I actually started with VMware back in the early 2000's, but the free version got more and more restrictive over the years until it wasn't worth messing with. Between ProxMox, VirtualBox, and Hyper-V, I think Broadcom will eventually be really sorry they decided to buy out VMware, when all the crew decides to jump ship.💀
One of our kids worked for VMware for over 10 years, from it's time as a private company through multiple new owners. Right after the Broadcom takeover, he and many other employees were laid off. He still talks to his former associates and they have remarked that the work climate has deteriorated significantly since the many long term employees left. As the video noted many of the remaining crew are looking for a way out and this will probably be the end of VMware.
@@brownro214 It seems that's the trend with almost every corporation in the US today. This is an incredibly unstable economy that is only benefitting the elites at top that just play with money.
I'd have to say Broadcom just lit the match. VMware has been a growing pile of messes for years. (have you run a modern vcenter? bloated pile of junk.)
My big concern is VMWare Fusion (for Mac). Have been using that since 2009. Always loved their non-subscription model compared to their biggest competitor. And now that they finally have the present version smoothly working on Apple Silicon I was excited for the future. I wonder what will happen of this now?
We're building a Proxmox Single-Click Automation software. We have our software working with VMware, but this seems like a good opportunity for a small company like us!
This licnesing model is going to cause an increase in hardware spending too. A lot of hardware gets phased out with every second major release, so if its not up to spec for your next license subscription renewal, you have to go buy new hardware.
More hardware to get sent off to e-waste, at which point most of it probably still goes to the landfill because most e-recyclers are full of shit. But hey, it means a few executives got to upgrade their private jets, and that's what really matters.
OpenStack and KVM are messy. K8s is a massively bloated container system. (install a k8s node and tell me it isn't a damned mess. just look at the crap that's running before you even get to the point of submitting your own code.)
Our enterprise has shifted a ton of systems from on-premises out to Azure - including about 60k VDIs to AVDs. We still host a good dozen thousand ESXi hosts worldwide, all on v6.5 or v7.0, but it was the Broadcom acquisition news that made us reconsider more Microsoft, including Hyper-V solutions. While there are a lot of tools and knowledge with the more than 20 years of Vmware, anyone can learn again, so their loss won't be ours.
@@ElGatoDeTernoMany systems cannot be moved to the cloud, so at on-premises we have to get them running with another solution other than ESXi/vSphere - hence Hyper-V.
@@mason2874 Who knows. I don't think it is on Microsoft's best interest to cannibalize themselves. They are rebranding Hyper-V as the on-prem extension to their Azure cloud ecosystem, which is a nice plus against the competition with the likes of Google Cloud/AWS. VMware was mainly untouchable in the on-premises corporate space, but with the Broadcom direction, a lot of companies not willing to go the Microsoft way are considering FOSS solutions. Which, in a sense, is a solid logical next step: VMware grew by plugging new features on top of Linux, but Linux itself and their enterprise Linux distros are catching up - and fast - with virtualization options. Add the fact a lot of systems now runs containerized as Docker/Kubernetes, and VMware will continue to shrink to a very specific niche - maybe the reason for them to publicly announce the milk, er, support of only ~600 suck... er, clients.
Ever since the Parley issue with AWS Ive advocated Hybred Cloud using Azure. Never been a fan of full cloud infrastructure too many horror stories. Would you ever trust you life with someone else lnowing there could be a time when the choice would be between you or him?
I wish I was more well-versed in VMware and Proxmox/XCP-NG. I think there will be a very healthy market for small-medium companies not wanting to get stuck with the perpetual licensing fees to VMware to pay consultants to help them migrate their entire infrastructure from VMware to those alternative products.
I am not surprised that Broadcom does away with Perpetual licensing in favor of subscription based service, main reason, MONEY. Sole reason as well. What's worse, most likely there won't be a private sector subscription, and if there will it will be ANNUAL subscription displayed as a monthly with the "billed annually" written in small lettering under the monthly shown price. AnyDesk done the same where they switched subscription models and they do not have monthly. Once I asked TeamViewer why they do not offer monthly, the answer I got? "We can not process so large amount of payments" while other services do.
This acquisition is for profit, and it's likely going to become more expensive for a worse experience because, along with more profit will come a cut in staff and resources that is dedicated to vmware. As far as the channel is concerned, I look at this as a positive, more videos about products that I am interested in. Also, the uptake in these alternatives will drive development and innovation in those areas, so a win for the alternate products. It's a real shame for the community around vmware, who often provides good feedback and ideas around this product.
I was on a workstation license/version that was a few years old, but was holding off on upgrading to see what would happen. looks like im going open source.
A lot of companies in the EU are not allowed by regulations to use cloud-based software, especially from US companies, since data security cannot be guaranteed because those companies have to reveal customer data to the US authorities without noticing the customer. The risk of corporate espionage on a state level is too high, therefore p.ex. the whole financial sector may not host any part of its critical infrastructure on cloud infrastructure from US hosters/on foreign soil. Even the "german cloud" Microsoft proposed as a solution wasn't good enough here. So if VMware wants to go a cloud-subscription-only route, it will lose those (large) customers from key infrastructure from Europe.
Been a VMware VSPP since 2009. basically as a provider of IaaS, we have been paying for pay as you go licenses with commitments since the beginning of the partner program. Works great for a service provider, but for internal use and personal use I hate Microsoft and Adobe subscriptions!
Yep, I started tinkering with Proxmox over the holidays. It's such a weird feeling as I've been a VMware fanboy since their early betas, back when their sole product was desktop virtualization and most of us were developers and sysadmins trying to run Linux alongside Windows. I'm not sure if my winner will be Proxmox or XCP-NG, but at this point I consider any and all running ESXi instances to be tech debt. Now I'm trying to figure out a solid migration process so my clients can move away from this dumpster fire.
Living in hardware land I never had cause to even use VMware but I do remember the arguments surrounding VMware not being an open source license. Well here we are at EOL. It will be interesting to see how this goes. Will it be like At&t/SCO or will it be like Oracle and Sun systems??
I am working part time at a place that thought that they had to buy into the big solutions because that is what everyone outside of tech knows exists, so I hate that more and more of the current market is basically reinforcing that idea. I feel very grateful that someone is taking me under their wing to be part of the resistance, and implement open source free or cheap solutions so that small companies, nonprofit, and healthcare are not kept out of good technology completely.
Microsoft gives massive amounts of (no cost) software licensing to healthcare and non-profits. I have clients in those industries and it's basically like welfare / social services. As an example, I know of several non profits with only 5 - 10 people, Microsoft gives them 365 Business Premium for free with 100 user licenses. It's incredible. I've also witnessed some of these companies giving some of their extra licenses to (friends) for their personal or professional use. That's a little disappointing, but I guess that's the mentality in those industries.
My company just moved from VMware to nutanix. We just completed the initial install and first migrations. The sad part is that we had a major investment into VMware horizon and one whole node runs VMware/horizon.
I suspect it will be time to replace the hardware before the industry/software vendors/regulatory bodies/bureaucracy can actually make up their mind on what a replacement would be.
We switched to Nutanix years ago and have been happy. No regrets. I keep our old vmware 6.5 system around for nostalgia as a test lab but I'll eventually send the hardware to recycle.
Months trying to get my older hardware to run vsan with HA. Setup a Proxmox 3 node in two days. Now running a five node and Proxmox backup server smooth as silk, simple to setup. Runs pretty much any hardware. Wasted thousands on VMware only to fimd I had to upgrade hardware at every turn, new HBA/Raid cards, new NICs, add cache drives etc. Now Im running expensive Raid cards in HBA mode and using Ceph. Flawless for my small business.
As a former VMware PSO EUC Employee, I am saddened by all these changes. The VMware that i grew to love and the family i had gained is all but being ripped apart.
I'm surprised Hyper-V wasn't mentioned as an alternative. It's come a long way in the last 10 years and for small-med size businesses, both price and feature set make it a compelling option.
I haven't looked into it for many years, but what made it useless from my perspective previously was how you managed it when you had a couple hundred. how has that improved?
yeah i spent alot of time to get certified for VMWare for my current position, and now im thinking that its time to transit away from VMWare to doing cloud only
So quick Q. I have been ESXI in ent and ProxMox at home. I'm training my kids, as they want to follow in my footsteps. They are very well versed with ProxMox and I was going to train them on ESxI. Should I even bother?
Tough question. But I think the truth is, depending on when your kids reach working age, it’s very likely VMware won’t exist much of anywhere. As Broadcom continues to squeeze customers, most of them are going to move on to something else, so it’s likely by the time they hit the workforce, it won’t be valuable anymore.
I've been a VCP since version 3 and used ESXi at home, but recently switched to using KVM at home. Not quite as streamlined as ESXi, but free and easier in many ways.
Thanks for the info. I’ve been using VMware products since workstation 2(?). This change has gotten me concerned. And with HPE buying up Juniper.. I feel so screwed. I understand the subscription model but I absolutely hate it. I really don’t know what to do. Non perpetual licensing just bites.
the first thing that happened when Broadcom took over was technical support for a client of mine ghosted us. client didn't take long to decide to move to another platform, and we've been happier ever since.
Virtualbox, right or wrong, my hypervisor since 2009. My oldest VM: Windows XP Home installed and activated March 2010. It survived 2 VBox owners; 3 desktops and 4 CPUs :) :) I still use it a few times per week to play the wma copies of my CDs and LPs!
The price grow up 150% for new aqusitions and don't exist more the free edition. Another changes was the seller team and SE (System Engeneering) on my country was cut in 50%
i doubt proxmox has pcie pass through and gpu sharing by gui single click operation, traditionally they need manually configuration in files typing out pcie adresses
As a PhD in Computer Engineering, I recently switched to Parallels on my 23’ M3Max 100100 gb from VMWare and have not looked back. Easy Win11, Ubuntu, and Kali Linux installs…
It was funny because in my experience VMWare 7 had the worst support for Broadcom cards. Like PSOD crashes or randomly dropping pings. Identical servers we had with Intel cards had no issues at all.
What is a best scenario for use of vmware? Last time i used it was back in school i have never used it in real wife where i work or see any use for it?
I have maintained and used Horizon for several years. I have never used WVD or other third party virtualization but found VMWare Horizon to be stable. Not dure why companies have moved away from VDI, but from my experience it has been more cost effective to maintain and patch when all the other third party costs are considered. Broadcom is doing several customers a disservice.
Broadcom literally fucking destroys everything they touch.. We used Symantec endpoint protection in my org then when Broadcom took over everything went south..
I love how you mentioned that ESXi free looks like it's here to stay... Annnnd it's gone. Lol (They've since killed the free version). It's rough cause it's not trivial to move our ~450VMs and ~30 hosts away. XCP-NG/XO leave quite a bit to be desired, and Proxmox just aint it for a dozen clusters.
Being blunt tho, the history of IT for the last 20+ years has been towards "enterprise" level customers and away from anything under 500 users (or even 1000 users).
I don't know why regulatory scrutiny even exists--it rarely prevents these obviously anticompetitive deals from going through. Is it just cover for regulators to make sure the companies in question pay them a sufficient amount of hush money?
Having used vmware and proxmox professionally. I can honestly say that proxmox is about 95 percent comparable to vmware. There was only two things stopping me from recommending it from production use. Networking, which has been fixed with vxlan and permissions handling which has a pull request. With those fixed, outside alittle learning curve, proxmox should serve most peoples needs very very well.
Former partner here, I spent so much time on training and certifications. Most of our licenses were in the tens of thousands of dollars of easy money for VMware. Apparently that wasn't enough. I didn't get an invite to the new Broadcom partnership.
We have more than 1000 hosts, and pricing hit us hard. Microsoft reps are pushing hard with better offers to move to Hyper-V/Azure (which I do not like) but seems much cheaper
Carbon Black was utter trash anyway. It's main feature was to make you double cpu and ram resources on all your vms in order to run it, causing you to need to expand your VMware hardware to support that.
Proxmox is great, but I wouldn't say it has all the features of vmware. Fault tolerance and equivalent of DRS scheduling are the first things that come to mind. (And not limited to) hopefully Proxmox will have this sorted at some point, seeing the massive exodus from vmware users 😂
As of today (February 12, 2024) VMware ESXi free is no longer available. 😰
kb.vmware.com/s/article/2107518?lang=en_US
I just started using vmware should i turn updates off?
Oh THAT is a worlds end move. djiiiz
I am so dissapointed that ESXi free is no longer available , I am using it for home lab and for me it work perfect, I was looking for proxmox but for me proxmox is not as comftable to use for setup "quick" a virtual PC for testing ... :( :(
I burned iso's of all the ESXI versions just a little while ago. I'm sure others will share so even though the community version is gone you can still install the ESXI and use it until the evaluation time runs out.
Writing was on the wall I guess...
Ive only ever used the free version of VMWare, but its disappointing to see another company go the road of "you will own nothing and be happy".
I pirated that shit anyway lol
I really don't care because I don't rely on software or utilities that are out of my control and can't be continued in the event that the proprietor decides to shift gears. Plenty of people love to get up in arms about 'owning nothing' but it's funny just how few of those super motivated and definitely idealogically honest and consistent people are willing to just switch to an alternative and say 'come and take it'.
If you put your trust in someone, and they let you down, that reflects poorly on them sure, but maybe you should focus more of the attention inwards because you can't control the trustworthiness of the outside world, so maybe you should be a bit more careful about who you trust in the future instead. If Apple fucks you over, where have you been the past decade, why are you still buying Apple products expecting anything else? No, I don't care about what Apple did, they did what they have been doing for the past decade, I care why you're making the conversation about them and not why you bought something from Apple if you didn't want to be screwed over down the line. After you know the nigerian prince is scamming you, if you send them money anyway that's not a scam anymore that's just an extremely strange act of chairty.
Especially since Virt-manager, Proxmox, etc. are all completely free in every sense of the word I genuinely have no idea why people are making a fuss over this.
@@robonator2945 cool story. You feel better on that soapbox? LOL
@@gregpenismith1248 I don't feel anything because, as I said, this doesn't affect me. You can either start taking accountability and improve your life, or continue not taking accountability and keep being confused why you keep getting fucked over.
you can whinge, or you can work, but don't act surprised when people mock you for picking the former.
@@Revoku....lol...be careful
I tripped over this vid in my feed. Retired IT guy here. This is a great video. Straight to the point, full of information, and fluently presented. This video has so much to teach other TH-cam channels. It’s so lean and succinct. Very nice.
When you block smaller users from your offering, you are slowly but surely losing people with knowledge. They will run what they have access to, and apparently that will not be VMware going forward.
Simple question: If you start a new business, will you choose VMware? No you wont. So when you grow you will still not have VMware. This automatically means that VMware is dead; long-term.
I teach for a college that is a VMware Academy. I used to be 100% VMware, but for the last server I built in my lab I switched to Proxmox. I have been teaching my students virtualization with Proxmox. I will likely switch the rest of the VM infrastructure over at some point this year.
There is a small business offering beyond VCF and vSphere foundation. This video is Is misleading.
This is how Linux took over the world
@@enginerdy for the first time ever, I believe there is a real chance of this happening.
@@joeperry2617 I would caution you to keep VMware in the mix. Having dealt with large enterprise customers for 30 years it would take them 10 to 15 years to switch to a new platform. Not to mention the US government.
On a plus note: this means there's a pile of cash to be made consulting on migrations away from VMware products.
... make lemonade! 👌
Unfortunately, that won't be long. They are also outsourcing jobs to India.
I moved from ESXi to Proxmox a year ago. So happy I did. Migrated all my vm’s just fine. Proxmox also feels alot more open and flexible than the versions of ESXi I was using, and you dont need another product on top to fully monitor and admin them!
How did you migrate the VMS, did you rebuild from scratch or there is a Import/Export option, thanks. I use ESXi currently
@@__SKYNET__ it was a few months ago now, but I seem to recall that I used the export function in ESXi, saved the vm’s to local storage, then connected the storage to the proxmox server importovf command in proxmox cli. It really wasn’t too difficult. It’s documented online
And you can backup your stuff without pain :)
Just by chance, I built my first Proxmox server at the start of 2024 and for a home lab it works just fine - I just wanted to try it. Got two ESXi servers running for over 10 years, could be the end of that.
@@__SKYNET__ I did the same thing as the OP described. Some VMs were built from scratch. Mainly, Linux hosts that needed updated anyway. Some were exported to OVMF files and imported using the CLI in Proxmox. I was a Workstation user who experimented with ESXi, then later Proxmox.
The Hyper-V team at Microsoft must be doing a happy dance right now
Agree more agressive marketing from Microsoft and Vmware are going to lose very hard in corporate business
HyperV is dead, and let me tell you from experience, I would rather try proxmox, which I have no experience with, than run several hundred hosts on HyperV.
I thought MS killed off the free version of Hyper-V serve though, didn’t they?
@@SamAndrew27 HyperV is dead. You can get the code in Azure Stack, but for all intents and purposes, if you activate the HyperV role today, I believe, you'll find the same function it had two years ago... They're still patching bugs... when they feel like it... which isn't very often...
The combination of HP Synergy blades with HyperV has got to be the most unstable virtualization infrastructure I have ever encountered. The contrast to Vmware ESXi on Cisco UCS is staggering.
@@SamAndrew27they actually made it somewhat easier with new gui management clients
I've been a VMWare user for 20 years. I started researching alternatives when the Broadcom deal was first announced because I saw this coming.
Proxmox for homelabs has worked well for me so far.
The main sin here is that for 20 years you used VMWare while QEMU and VirtualBox have been free for this entire time.
And what is your verdict?
@@gteixeira Even if it is low-price or even free, it does not automatically mean it is the best option.
@@gteixeira Tried these over the decades. VMWare *workstation) was always superior especially on the video side of things.
I still think that vmotion is a miracle. Was dumfounded when I saw it first in early 2000s. Incredible.
50,000 Horizon desktops that my team and I support. I guess we're now living in interesting times.
Man, you’ve got some work ahead of you! 😔
Not knowing ANYTHING about your setup, but having just moved 10.000 ubuntu desktop users to kasm workspaces. I can wholeheartedly recommend that solution.
@@2GuysTek Somebody's going to end up with Horizon. It's not disappearing, at least I hope not. Worrying about it is above my pay scale.
@@MeneM2Mateo We use VDI mostly to distribute a particular healthcare application. Kasm, as far as I am aware, is not a solution supported by that application's vendor.
We also have about a 1/3 of our endpoints on Horizon and that was about to extend. We are not as large as 50k but we have about 2k between two pods.
I recently looked at Leostream which allows us to broker between a vSphere environment and AWS workspaces with the option of a list of different display protocols.
When I was young I was all open source advocate. Then as I moved into the commercial environment I softened to commercial software. Now I am back to encouraging open source usage where possible and spend your licencing money / budget on paying for support and development from the teams.
I work in a pre sales side of business. I have seen a surge in "non VMware " options for hosting opportunities by clients. Containerisation can be an answer but most of the enterprises aren't ready to invest such a huge amount to modernize their current technology landscape. Looking at the slump of the economy, most CTO have reduced the IT budget and it will be interesting to see, how VMware fares with such high prices and extreme cost pressure of business.
VMware has tanzu
I believe it, as an IT guy, subscription model software is an administrative nightmare.. was so easy back in the day when you just entered a key.
VMware has Tanzu which is containerisation. But at the end there will always be companies that can pay for it. It s like having a computer MAC. Those are expensive and not everyone can pay it . And it always get more expensive but people still pay it. There will always be people. Sadly all is getting more expensive in the whole world. IT s sad but Prices have been increasing since we were born! .
We heard Subscription Model and we headed out. No interest from our side. It's over, and we are not taking subscription based models. We wanna OWN. not RENT forever.
You always had recurring costs for support, unless running old hardware well out of service contract with perpetual licenses was your thing. I'm not saying subscriptions are good, mind you, and 'support' was always a near-scam anyway, a euphemism for "we'll give you essential bugfix updates you should've gotten anyway with your perpetual", but the days when you actually "owned" software in any meaningful and practical sense (never mind legal/licensing sense) are likely more than two decades ago if not more.
Don't worry, your diversity hire female CTO will no doubt recommend your transition to AWS or Azure. Because the cloud solves all the companies problems. Or at least that's what she will project to the big guy upstairs and management.
@@paulie-g i see many people say this, but they forget that you can do without those things should the economy take a turn for the worst. With subscription, it essentially becomes a power bill that you must pay or the lights go off. Subscription has its merits though...
@@GapYouIn2Subscriptions are good for a) poor young people/hobbyists who need to use an expensive piece of software temporarily, b) support subscriptions for open source projects, and c) services which genuinely have ongoing maintenance costs commensurate with the sub pricing. Everything else is cancer.
switched to ng-xcp several years ago and never looked back. I LOVED working with VMWare they just priced me out of the market. I run an ng-xcp cluster for my home lab three nodes plus an external nas and it has been a rock solid solution. xen orchestra has come a long way as well.
Why ng-xcp over Proxmox for home labs? It'll be good to get some perspective before I would like to tinker with it.
@@hottroddinn I prefer ProxMox over ng-xcp as not too crazy with their WebGUI layout. ProxMox is easier to follow.
@@hottroddinn Lawrence Systems has some good videos on it. They use and recommend XCP-NG mostly.
@@hottroddinn ng-xcp is *open*. It's a good guarantee to have, especially someone who's been forced to move once already. Not the OP, just my thoughts.
@@hottroddinn ng-xcp is better for a multi-tenant cloud setup than proxmox for one. xcp-ng doesn't require virtio drivers on new Windows installs, all drives/network adapters are seen from install. xcp-ng is easier to pass through hardware than proxmox. I also like that the web front end (Xen Orchestra) is totally independent of the functioning of xcp and even if it goes down the vm's still function as intended. Proxmox is better if you want to also integrate containers.
Show me any take-over deal where the service didn't go down whilst prices went up after a "honeymoon" period? Anyhoo, this will just push business further into the Cloud.
Well, the decision to start migrating our infrastructure at work to Nutanix just became crystal clear. 24k VDI desktops, and just about 1000 ESXi Hosts are firmly in the loss category for Broadcom beancounters.
But isn't Nutanix a subscription only model also?
@@memyself879Yes, and he is either a liar or rep for them. Nutanix is just Supermicro hardware + AHV (custom hypervisor) with a proprietary Apache based distributed storage stack similar to vSAN. It's incredibly expensive and nearly all support is behind an even more expensive paywall.
@@memyself879 "and then realize that half of them are stupider than that" to partially (the part that's relevant :D) quote George Carlin.
Though subscription isn't really as important. Important is (although many don't realize, not even after they got bitten by it) vendor lock-in or hopefully lack of same (thus, ease of migration out of an ecosystem)
Time to move to Proxmox
More like xcp-ng, xcp-ng feels more professional where as proxmox is more for home servers
@@80robinahow so?
QEMU/KVM :)
qemu/kvm*, which everyone one already should have had been using
My thoughts exactly.
The C-suites get richer and the middle class gets squished even more.
I’m shocked this passed anti-trust muster. Oh, well. It’s the little guys who are gonna get screwed anyhow.
The idea of anti-trust seems to be mostly dead.
"anti trust"....... And that's all I'm allowed to say.
In my 'home lab' I've been using VirtualBox for years. I actually started with VMware back in the early 2000's, but the free version got more and more restrictive over the years until it wasn't worth messing with. Between ProxMox, VirtualBox, and Hyper-V, I think Broadcom will eventually be really sorry they decided to buy out VMware, when all the crew decides to jump ship.💀
One of our kids worked for VMware for over 10 years, from it's time as a private company through multiple new owners. Right after the Broadcom takeover, he and many other employees were laid off. He still talks to his former associates and they have remarked that the work climate has deteriorated significantly since the many long term employees left. As the video noted many of the remaining crew are looking for a way out and this will probably be the end of VMware.
i would but the proxmox doesn't have gui single slick GPU sharing between multiple VMs
@@brownro214 It seems that's the trend with almost every corporation in the US today. This is an incredibly unstable economy that is only benefitting the elites at top that just play with money.
@@cdoublejj One day it may support GPU splitting in GUI, but for now you can use Proxmox command line to split the GPU passthrough.
Greed destoys all the great things in this world, Free market capitalism needs to remain alive so we can move on.
Rip VMware. The beloved company that Broadcom destroyed...
I'd have to say Broadcom just lit the match. VMware has been a growing pile of messes for years. (have you run a modern vcenter? bloated pile of junk.)
My big concern is VMWare Fusion (for Mac). Have been using that since 2009. Always loved their non-subscription model compared to their biggest competitor. And now that they finally have the present version smoothly working on Apple Silicon I was excited for the future. I wonder what will happen of this now?
We're building a Proxmox Single-Click Automation software. We have our software working with VMware, but this seems like a good opportunity for a small company like us!
Bubbles Software - IT infrastructure automation
This licnesing model is going to cause an increase in hardware spending too. A lot of hardware gets phased out with every second major release, so if its not up to spec for your next license subscription renewal, you have to go buy new hardware.
More hardware to get sent off to e-waste, at which point most of it probably still goes to the landfill because most e-recyclers are full of shit. But hey, it means a few executives got to upgrade their private jets, and that's what really matters.
So for customers are we thinking open stack , KVM, k8s with VM virtual Machines?
OpenStack and KVM are messy. K8s is a massively bloated container system. (install a k8s node and tell me it isn't a damned mess. just look at the crap that's running before you even get to the point of submitting your own code.)
Our enterprise has shifted a ton of systems from on-premises out to Azure - including about 60k VDIs to AVDs. We still host a good dozen thousand ESXi hosts worldwide, all on v6.5 or v7.0, but it was the Broadcom acquisition news that made us reconsider more Microsoft, including Hyper-V solutions. While there are a lot of tools and knowledge with the more than 20 years of Vmware, anyone can learn again, so their loss won't be ours.
Why hyperv?
@@ElGatoDeTernoMany systems cannot be moved to the cloud, so at on-premises we have to get them running with another solution other than ESXi/vSphere - hence Hyper-V.
@hqwest Might Microsoft go the same way too?
@@mason2874 Who knows. I don't think it is on Microsoft's best interest to cannibalize themselves. They are rebranding Hyper-V as the on-prem extension to their Azure cloud ecosystem, which is a nice plus against the competition with the likes of Google Cloud/AWS. VMware was mainly untouchable in the on-premises corporate space, but with the Broadcom direction, a lot of companies not willing to go the Microsoft way are considering FOSS solutions. Which, in a sense, is a solid logical next step: VMware grew by plugging new features on top of Linux, but Linux itself and their enterprise Linux distros are catching up - and fast - with virtualization options. Add the fact a lot of systems now runs containerized as Docker/Kubernetes, and VMware will continue to shrink to a very specific niche - maybe the reason for them to publicly announce the milk, er, support of only ~600 suck... er, clients.
Ever since the Parley issue with AWS Ive advocated Hybred Cloud using Azure. Never been a fan of full cloud infrastructure too many horror stories. Would you ever trust you life with someone else lnowing there could be a time when the choice would be between you or him?
I wish I was more well-versed in VMware and Proxmox/XCP-NG. I think there will be a very healthy market for small-medium companies not wanting to get stuck with the perpetual licensing fees to VMware to pay consultants to help them migrate their entire infrastructure from VMware to those alternative products.
Don't wish. Go ahead and learn :)
Lawrence Systems has many videos on both.
Been on xcp-ng as I was on Xen I like it and you will too.
I am not surprised that Broadcom does away with Perpetual licensing in favor of subscription based service, main reason, MONEY. Sole reason as well. What's worse, most likely there won't be a private sector subscription, and if there will it will be ANNUAL subscription displayed as a monthly with the "billed annually" written in small lettering under the monthly shown price. AnyDesk done the same where they switched subscription models and they do not have monthly. Once I asked TeamViewer why they do not offer monthly, the answer I got? "We can not process so large amount of payments" while other services do.
This acquisition is for profit, and it's likely going to become more expensive for a worse experience because, along with more profit will come a cut in staff and resources that is dedicated to vmware. As far as the channel is concerned, I look at this as a positive, more videos about products that I am interested in. Also, the uptake in these alternatives will drive development and innovation in those areas, so a win for the alternate products. It's a real shame for the community around vmware, who often provides good feedback and ideas around this product.
I have been planning on changing over to XCP-ng. Looks like I will soon.
I was on a workstation license/version that was a few years old, but was holding off on upgrading to see what would happen. looks like im going open source.
A lot of companies in the EU are not allowed by regulations to use cloud-based software, especially from US companies, since data security cannot be guaranteed because those companies have to reveal customer data to the US authorities without noticing the customer. The risk of corporate espionage on a state level is too high, therefore p.ex. the whole financial sector may not host any part of its critical infrastructure on cloud infrastructure from US hosters/on foreign soil. Even the "german cloud" Microsoft proposed as a solution wasn't good enough here.
So if VMware wants to go a cloud-subscription-only route, it will lose those (large) customers from key infrastructure from Europe.
Been a VMware VSPP since 2009. basically as a provider of IaaS, we have been paying for pay as you go licenses with commitments since the beginning of the partner program. Works great for a service provider, but for internal use and personal use I hate Microsoft and Adobe subscriptions!
So your VSPP contract is terminated end of March, isn’t it? It’s a complete shit show.
Never adopted ESXi due to the limitations on the free license. Proxmox is nice but can't seem to handle hung VMs properly.
Yep, I started tinkering with Proxmox over the holidays. It's such a weird feeling as I've been a VMware fanboy since their early betas, back when their sole product was desktop virtualization and most of us were developers and sysadmins trying to run Linux alongside Windows. I'm not sure if my winner will be Proxmox or XCP-NG, but at this point I consider any and all running ESXi instances to be tech debt. Now I'm trying to figure out a solid migration process so my clients can move away from this dumpster fire.
Living in hardware land I never had cause to even use VMware but I do remember the arguments surrounding VMware not being an open source license. Well here we are at EOL. It will be interesting to see how this goes. Will it be like At&t/SCO or will it be like Oracle and Sun systems??
I am working part time at a place that thought that they had to buy into the big solutions because that is what everyone outside of tech knows exists, so I hate that more and more of the current market is basically reinforcing that idea. I feel very grateful that someone is taking me under their wing to be part of the resistance, and implement open source free or cheap solutions so that small companies, nonprofit, and healthcare are not kept out of good technology completely.
Microsoft gives massive amounts of (no cost) software licensing to healthcare and non-profits. I have clients in those industries and it's basically like welfare / social services. As an example, I know of several non profits with only 5 - 10 people, Microsoft gives them 365 Business Premium for free with 100 user licenses. It's incredible. I've also witnessed some of these companies giving some of their extra licenses to (friends) for their personal or professional use. That's a little disappointing, but I guess that's the mentality in those industries.
My company just moved from VMware to nutanix. We just completed the initial install and first migrations. The sad part is that we had a major investment into VMware horizon and one whole node runs VMware/horizon.
I suspect it will be time to replace the hardware before the industry/software vendors/regulatory bodies/bureaucracy can actually make up their mind on what a replacement would be.
Is Nutanix perpetual or subscription based?
@@memyself879 Perpetual, you pay for annual support/updates. They have a "community edition" that's free.
We switched to Nutanix years ago and have been happy. No regrets. I keep our old vmware 6.5 system around for nostalgia as a test lab but I'll eventually send the hardware to recycle.
Time to Proxmox！☺
2023 was our 10 year anniversary of Proxmox-ing. Zero regrets. I recommend anybody to give it a try.
Months trying to get my older hardware to run vsan with HA. Setup a Proxmox 3 node in two days. Now running a five node and Proxmox backup server smooth as silk, simple to setup. Runs pretty much any hardware. Wasted thousands on VMware only to fimd I had to upgrade hardware at every turn, new HBA/Raid cards, new NICs, add cache drives etc. Now Im running expensive Raid cards in HBA mode and using Ceph. Flawless for my small business.
As a former VMware PSO EUC Employee, I am saddened by all these changes. The VMware that i grew to love and the family i had gained is all but being ripped apart.
Broadcom are corporate raiders and this buyout should have never happened.
We moved to QEMU running on RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) some time ago
I'm surprised Hyper-V wasn't mentioned as an alternative. It's come a long way in the last 10 years and for small-med size businesses, both price and feature set make it a compelling option.
I haven't looked into it for many years, but what made it useless from my perspective previously was how you managed it when you had a couple hundred. how has that improved?
Also fully integrates with Veeam. None of the alternative open source products really do that.
Why?... KVM is free....
I have tried Hyper-V as well and it's still far behind in capabilities.
I recently tried it on a windows 10 machine and it blew couldnt use my graphics card or usb. Not a pro by sny means but tnese things seem fundamental.
KVM? Openstack? Surprised that these weren't mentioned as open source alternatives
I'm trying to renew my licenses right now and the process is a freaking nightmare!
I have a four-bay Seagate NAS from ages ago that is still working.
What is going to happen to all acquired companies acquired by VMware, like Pivotal (SpringSource) and SaltStack?
The video starts at 2:35
Great short brief intro and straight to the point no BS - Thanks for a great video!!!
Great summary! Subscribed!
I used VMware Fusion for many years, but after I bought my first Apple Silicon Mac, dumping Fusion for Parallels was a no brainer.
Love my ever growing corporate consolidation and monopolization and SNSification of everything 🙄
Enshittification 😂
How much do you guys know about Okta? Which platform and/or cloud service, allows integration with that security service?
subscription model = more piracy... once VmWare Pro 16 stops working on Windows 10/11 I'll prob go elsewhere if it's forced subscription...
Nah, VMWare is not even worth my time pirating lol
Workstation? Nothing was mentioned about Workstation. But I imagine it falls under EUC and will be sold off?
Edit: No changes for Workstation.
yeah i spent alot of time to get certified for VMWare for my current position, and now im thinking that its time to transit away from VMWare to doing cloud only
So quick Q. I have been ESXI in ent and ProxMox at home. I'm training my kids, as they want to follow in my footsteps. They are very well versed with ProxMox and I was going to train them on ESxI. Should I even bother?
Tough question. But I think the truth is, depending on when your kids reach working age, it’s very likely VMware won’t exist much of anywhere. As Broadcom continues to squeeze customers, most of them are going to move on to something else, so it’s likely by the time they hit the workforce, it won’t be valuable anymore.
Any word on VMware Workstation?
The EUC division (which includes Horizon) has a great future as part of a standalone business from Broadcom!
Great video and new sub. Thank you for this. I shared this with my manager in Teams. Meetings are coming... 😛
I've been a VCP since version 3 and used ESXi at home, but recently switched to using KVM at home. Not quite as streamlined as ESXi, but free and easier in many ways.
Thank god I moved my hypervisor infra to XCP NG back in June
Thanks for the info. I’ve been using VMware products since workstation 2(?). This change has gotten me concerned. And with HPE buying up Juniper.. I feel so screwed. I understand the subscription model but I absolutely hate it. I really don’t know what to do. Non perpetual licensing just bites.
the first thing that happened when Broadcom took over was technical support for a client of mine ghosted us. client didn't take long to decide to move to another platform, and we've been happier ever since.
First Broadcom buys Symantec antivirus for business, and now they’re buying VMware?
What about backup via veeam for these free hyperviser ?
Moving to the Serf-Ware model. RIP VMWare.
Virtualbox, right or wrong, my hypervisor since 2009.
My oldest VM: Windows XP Home installed and activated March 2010. It survived 2 VBox owners; 3 desktops and 4 CPUs :) :) I still use it a few times per week to play the wma copies of my CDs and LPs!
The price grow up 150% for new aqusitions and don't exist more the free edition. Another changes was the seller team and SE (System Engeneering) on my country was cut in 50%
i doubt proxmox has pcie pass through and gpu sharing by gui single click operation, traditionally they need manually configuration in files typing out pcie adresses
Any news about what's happening to Workstation/Player and Fusion?
VMware Workstaion and Fusion continues to be a core product
As a PhD in Computer Engineering, I recently switched to Parallels on my 23’ M3Max 100100 gb from VMWare and have not looked back. Easy Win11, Ubuntu, and Kali Linux installs…
It was funny because in my experience VMWare 7 had the worst support for Broadcom cards. Like PSOD crashes or randomly dropping pings. Identical servers we had with Intel cards had no issues at all.
i use the Free hyperv and create all my vm on it including unix based os. been using it on my on premise vms for years
What is a best scenario for use of vmware? Last time i used it was back in school i have never used it in real wife where i work or see any use for it?
Time to start thinking seriously about moving to XCP
Since I heard about this, I stopped upgrading my license and started looking for alternate solutions.
what about redhat ?
Hey guys, do you know how to calculate the new prices? For example a VSan cluster with four nodes with 32 cores each, total128 cores???
I have maintained and used Horizon for several years. I have never used WVD or other third party virtualization but found VMWare Horizon to be stable. Not dure why companies have moved away from VDI, but from my experience it has been more cost effective to maintain and patch when all the other third party costs are considered. Broadcom is doing several customers a disservice.
Hi, any updates on the vmware Fusion Player (free) ?
Broadcom literally fucking destroys everything they touch.. We used Symantec endpoint protection in my org then when Broadcom took over everything went south..
I love how you mentioned that ESXi free looks like it's here to stay... Annnnd it's gone. Lol (They've since killed the free version). It's rough cause it's not trivial to move our ~450VMs and ~30 hosts away. XCP-NG/XO leave quite a bit to be desired, and Proxmox just aint it for a dozen clusters.
Why did you note cover hyper-v or Scale as commercial alternatives to VMWare
I was wondering the same thing.
A few people make an obscene amount of money and the rest of the world takes it in the shorts.
I better break out the lube
The Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules!
Being blunt tho, the history of IT for the last 20+ years has been towards "enterprise" level customers and away from anything under 500 users (or even 1000 users).
I don't know why regulatory scrutiny even exists--it rarely prevents these obviously anticompetitive deals from going through. Is it just cover for regulators to make sure the companies in question pay them a sufficient amount of hush money?
Think you're on to something there. I wonder what other industries are set up the same way...
How will this affect higher education? I work in a small IT shop in a university and we have a small data center with nimble San.
Having used vmware and proxmox professionally. I can honestly say that proxmox is about 95 percent comparable to vmware. There was only two things stopping me from recommending it from production use. Networking, which has been fixed with vxlan and permissions handling which has a pull request. With those fixed, outside alittle learning curve, proxmox should serve most peoples needs very very well.
In response to this, I can see companies moving more to containerization if they can. They may also use different hypervisors.
Former partner here, I spent so much time on training and certifications. Most of our licenses were in the tens of thousands of dollars of easy money for VMware. Apparently that wasn't enough. I didn't get an invite to the new Broadcom partnership.
You're not alone m8. Even people doing BIG government only consulting have been kicked to the curb.
We have more than 1000 hosts, and pricing hit us hard. Microsoft reps are pushing hard with better offers to move to Hyper-V/Azure (which I do not like) but seems much cheaper
@lazynow1 Its just a test for now. I am pro VMWare, but I understand corp management wants to save some money.
@lazynow1 yeah , I know. Its not my call
@lazynow1 They look through Excel sheet, not through actual thing...
Carbon Black was utter trash anyway. It's main feature was to make you double cpu and ram resources on all your vms in order to run it, causing you to need to expand your VMware hardware to support that.
Isn't Nutanix also based on subscription model only?
Wonder if this will change things for those of us that use vmware player for personal use at home free.
No changes. They have an article on their website.
What is a good alternate for the home lab?
Proxmox is king now.
It has all the features of VMWare *and more.*
Proxmox is great, but I wouldn't say it has all the features of vmware. Fault tolerance and equivalent of DRS scheduling are the first things that come to mind. (And not limited to) hopefully Proxmox will have this sorted at some point, seeing the massive exodus from vmware users 😂
Thanks for the news.
Has anyone used Virtuozzo as a replacement for VMware? Would this be a good replacement for an Enterprise?
Great video - thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I still think VDI was gutted by Microsoft's borderline unobtainable Windows licences and requirements for client devices.
You're not really wrong.
The greedheads keep winning.
Not if we all Boycott :)