A Real Life "Ultimate Fashionista" Ranks Danganronpa Fits

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  • @SaveDataTeam
    @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Which rankings do you like, and which do you disagree with? Let us know in the comments below!
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  • @Flareontoast
    @Flareontoast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +278

    Just a few minutes in, wanted to say something re Chris' mentioning of Lolita fashion - the fashion/movement exists explicitly because of enjoyment of fashion and the need for autonomy and having control over your clothing. Of course, like with anything girls do, there are people fetishizing it. But at the core of the movement, Lolita is all about youthfulness, self-expression, not giving a damn what other people think, and feeling cute.

    • @lckyminer_2256
      @lckyminer_2256 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      And not be confused with the book. No affiliations what so ever.

    • @SPACE.KITTY.
      @SPACE.KITTY. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thank you!

  • @leritykay8911
    @leritykay8911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +225

    13:00
    I don't really think Chihiro is a trans icon?
    Chihiro is a boy who feels *pressured* to pretend to be a girl to hide his weakness. And his arc is about being comfortable in his own gender . Before his death, he WANTED to tell everyone he's a boy, and to stop pretending.
    It's like... Coming out as cis, hah. That's like the opposite of trans.
    To me, Chihiro is a boy that realizes it's okay to be petite, AND a boy. But also who wants to become stronger and improve himself.
    It's inspirational.
    I just, don't like it when ALL gender related characters or character arcs need to be lumped into the trans interpretation.
    I do like trans characters, but, not every crossdresser is a trans icon

    • @fistOFjustice91
      @fistOFjustice91 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      Yeah, that's always been the discourse around Chihiro. I'm all for trans rep in games, but Chihiro pointedly cross dresses for the reasons you said above.

    • @CherryBlossomBeats
      @CherryBlossomBeats 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      I think that chihiro is just such a can of worms that no one wants to touch just bc chihiro’s writing is kinda just transphobic tropes one after another. I’d be fine with any of the number of interpretations of them if their actual canon character was written better instead of just being yet another trap joke

    • @leritykay8911
      @leritykay8911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@CherryBlossomBeats Well, I don't think the authors had any malicious intent. I feel like my interpretation is the one the writers point to. I don't know much about tran stereotypes, but I didn't get those vibes personally.
      I mean heck. Alter Ego refers to Chihiro as "master" or "he".
      So we can infer Chihiro preffered that.
      I feel like if it was really a trans thing, or if the writers were implying a trans thing, Alter Ego would say she. But I dunno. Chihiro's gender is only written poorly if you think of it as a trans thing. If you think of it as a crossdresser thing I see no issue

    • @CherryBlossomBeats
      @CherryBlossomBeats 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@leritykay8911 well as a trans crossdresser theres a lot of stuff that just icks me out about their writing, which i am willing to chock up to it just being a different time, the original game came out in like 2013 or something. “Cute gurl character is actually a dude lol isnt that gay or what lmao” was a big problem trope around this time, and the danganronpa cast really didn’t need to “discover” their gender the way they did (seriously we did not need them feeling up chihiro’s body just to go OMG PENIS they could have just had the detective go by the way i checked the body) it just feels tactless

    • @leritykay8911
      @leritykay8911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@CherryBlossomBeats I mean fair. But respectfully, how does being a trans crosdresser work?

  • @Gamersgoinblind
    @Gamersgoinblind 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    So the thing with the hair is that, it's basically tradition for the protagonist to have a hair that sticks up in this series. Saihara's hat felt like it was almost exclusively used to hide his so no one would think what happened happened.

    • @lckyminer_2256
      @lckyminer_2256 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Interesting enough, in the beta designs, Kaede also had a hat on which I specilated that Harada is already on board with the protagonist switch but wasn't sure if it would be Kaede or Suichi.

    • @lckyminer_2256
      @lckyminer_2256 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's an ahoge btw

  • @pinasupernova5229
    @pinasupernova5229 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    I haven't seen anyone say it, so I'll do it myself, Chris was right about Nagito Komaeda, his name is an anagram of "Makoto Naegi da" or "I'm Makoto Naegi", that plus the VA thing, the talent and also both jackets having the same colors and just overall almost exact same palette (just changing browns for whites) is to evoke of Makoto and confuse the player.
    But also, if you notice, his hair despite having the same overall silouetthe, with his locks going in the same direction as Makoto's, Nagito's is wavier and curlier, which can both give you
    -Chill vibes (like Hinata's first impression of him)
    -Crazy vibes (like his true self)
    Also, him being larger than our short king Makoto can also showcase how his luck is also larger than Makoto's.

    • @fennetheartsyenby
      @fennetheartsyenby 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I was in chat during this stream, a lot of us did mention “Naegi Makoto da,” but this is a great reminder for people who weren’t :D

    • @dabuff1319
      @dabuff1319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nagito is Makoto's Wario fr fr

  • @dopl777
    @dopl777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    In the Games Ibuki is mentioned to actually be incredibly skilled and gifted at any and every instrument she performs on, and was even the lead singer in a popular pop band. The whole rock aesthetic and move to this very niche kind of music was because she felt bored in the fairly cookie cutter world of pop music and is in the middle of reinventing herself in the game.

  • @lilbluecaboose
    @lilbluecaboose 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    It's always really disappointing to see people who are convinced lolita fashion is a fetish thing when it's super not. The whole point is to be over the top cutesy in a way that men don't find attractive! I wish subcultures of all sorts could exist without this sort of reputation, but especially lolita, which was fundamentally designed to be unappealing.

  • @ShyMarshmallowSquad
    @ShyMarshmallowSquad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    ‼️‼️Just correcting you on something.. Chihiro isnt trans. He dresses that way because society made fun of him for being so feminine looking so he crossdressed so people would leave him alone. He was gonna start working on himself so he could become stronger and more confident to be himself.

  • @JigChu7
    @JigChu7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    If you are about to play Danganronpa really soon, you should probably save this video for later

  • @rubythursda7
    @rubythursda7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    NAGITO KOMAEDA IN A SAVE DATA THUMBNAIL WE MADE ITTTT

  • @Sjors_
    @Sjors_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Yeah, Celes trying way too hard with her outfit is in-character. She's an ordinary girl who so desperately wishes she was elite.
    They don't even try to hide what's going on with Junko in her art and outfit. It has got to be the worst kept secret of all time. (Now where's that one fanart meme of Junko covered in spoiler tags saying "is this hell?")
    The deadpan "gay" upon seeing Mondo at 29:44 fucking got me.
    Funny how she asked "Is she trans too" for Chiaki. Chiaki is often paired with Chihiro in fanart. (Also first top tier, Chiaki sweep LET'S GOOOO)
    I love Gundham for how fully committed to the bit he is. He leans so far into Chuunibyou syndrome that it actually loops back around to being kinda cool again, and his outfit reflects that well. It's over-the-top edgy without being too tacky or unoriginal.
    Ibuki might be the Ultimate Musician, but I'mma count Chris's guess of Ultimate Bisexual as correct.
    I always figured Mikan's choppy haircut is because she's perpetually bullied and they ruined her hair to torment her (and this has happened so often that she stopped bothering to fix her look).
    Nagito Komaeda is indeed an anagram for "Naegi Makoto da" (I am Makoto Naegi)
    Don't be hating on Shinguji, his looks are gucci (Actually do hate on him, he looks so interesting at first and then he just turns into a clown car of a character)
    That pained, hesitant "yes" at Chris asking if we see Tsumugi cosplaying in the game, boy howdy

    • @MistressMillie
      @MistressMillie 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I wouldn't exactly agree with that characterization of Celeste. She dresses that way because she's a very flamboyant person.

    • @Sjors_
      @Sjors_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MistressMillie Well, both of those things can be true.

  • @queenyblahblah
    @queenyblahblah 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    every time i watch a video like this they start off liking Celeste’s outfit and then end by disliking it because they start talking about Lolita style thinking it’s inherently associated with the book and therefore creepy :’)

  • @armoredanteater609
    @armoredanteater609 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Lolita fashion is not inherently fetishistic. Its an outlet for adolescent girls to rebel

  • @BalrogQuote
    @BalrogQuote 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    What? Chiaki was a killer, though. Why did you say that was wrong? Rather irrelevant that it wouldn't count as murder in any reasonable court of law, she is counted as a killer.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      You know what, you’re totally right. I think we both forgot how that case played out 😅

    • @gojiron
      @gojiron 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      It was all a trap, Chiaki in both Danganronpa 2 and Danganronpa 3 was a victim of ultimate Despair, In all Danganronpa the last case is always a trap.

    • @rickw9291
      @rickw9291 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Similarly they said kiibo survived when he didn’t

  • @dwliejk-vd7pt
    @dwliejk-vd7pt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The day people stop comparing korekiyos outfit to facism is the day I will finally be at peace

  • @les5503
    @les5503 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Please keep finding things for Tai to rate, she's so fun!

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Thank you so much! 😁

  • @acedunnit
    @acedunnit หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As someone whose favorite character in Danganronpa is Mondo, I am SO HAPPY to see him getting the love he deserves !!

  • @ratherbenormal
    @ratherbenormal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I hateee when people mischaracterise Korekiyo because he was groomed by his sister it’s not his fault 😭😭 reasoning for murder still sucked tho so I can agree on that

  • @blue_the_boy_kisser
    @blue_the_boy_kisser หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    34:50 All the og Hope's Peak students are 18+ throughout the game's events. The whole memory erasue thing just makes them believe they are a few years younger.

  • @EmaSkyeLover42
    @EmaSkyeLover42 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Fun fact Kirumi Tojo's English voice actress plays 2B from Nier Automata and I think they based the design either on her or the opposite. Either or she is amazing

  • @Gamemaster6400
    @Gamemaster6400 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I've never played or heard much about Danganronpa, so I'm going in with the same level of knowledge of Tai lol

  • @beabunny9000
    @beabunny9000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I used to be really into Danganronpa and, while nowadays I certainly have *opinions* on it, I must say that there are some really solid designs in the series (and some…not so solid ones lol)

  • @yuhanchiyt8931
    @yuhanchiyt8931 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    5:03 Wenona from Eden's Garden

  • @kodered59
    @kodered59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    When are we getting Save Data cosplay and outfit tier list?
    I need to know the consensus on Zak's yellow stripes.

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      She did rank it in one of these, and said “it is a shirt that had it’s moment, but not now 😂”

  • @notsogenericstud4660
    @notsogenericstud4660 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    46:45 but?? Tai was right?? Chiaki was a killer

  • @danielrosario7581
    @danielrosario7581 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They gave all the characters new outfits for the anniversary a year or two ago, yall should def check it out

  • @Itz_Phoenixxx
    @Itz_Phoenixxx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nagitos outfit on the same tier as kyoko celeste and gundham is actually crazy

  • @crazerrazer6778
    @crazerrazer6778 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how Tai said elementary school teacher because in the love hotel he plays a teacher... now he should never be a teacher because of what he does in said scenario, but I think it's a bit funny

  • @FeranNyan
    @FeranNyan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Just gonna give my two cents, but people insisting Chihiro is trans and a girl have absolutely 0 media literacy😭😭 like, his whole thing was that pretending to be a girl was a defense mechanism for his inferiority complex for being too “weak and girly” for a male, and the whole reason he wanted to get stronger was so he could be confident in his masculinity. Like, at MOST it’s okay to refer to Chihiro with they/them pronouns, but he’s absolutely not a girl💀💀💀

    • @ShyMarshmallowSquad
      @ShyMarshmallowSquad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yesss bro, it makes me so hurt when people just brush past his whole thing and paint him trans 😖

    • @shoyaboi6459
      @shoyaboi6459 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      EXACTLY some of the stuff these guys said during the video was obviously from poor memory and false media

  • @insertnamehere1398
    @insertnamehere1398 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    y'all did NOT do enough justice to describing kokichi

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      To be fair to him, he is... a lot 😅

    • @insertnamehere1398
      @insertnamehere1398 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@SaveDataTeamI mean…. Do I get brownie points if I can describe him in just under a paragraph?

  • @Sunny_Money
    @Sunny_Money 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    36:56 I remember him saying that he doesn’t even play the game?? Or perhaps it was a rumor

  • @shoebox5483
    @shoebox5483 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1:17:20 Angie is hinted to be Polynesian. Either Samoan or Hawaiian, not Asian:)

  • @rainylupin
    @rainylupin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Shoutout to all the pairings that should have happened but didn't. Taka/Modo, Gundham/Sonia and Kaito/Maki, may you live on in another life with writers who actually give a shit

    • @leritykay8911
      @leritykay8911 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      What do you mean, didn't happen? They were implied but... Are you upset that some of these characters died?

  • @suber8601
    @suber8601 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm surprised you guys haven't played danganronpa on this channel yet.
    (they forgot toko for the question)

  • @a1ko.hinata
    @a1ko.hinata 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    actually mikan used to be builed and the bullies chopped her hair

  • @yenn6125
    @yenn6125 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ultimate fashionista content was made specifically for me thanks. I need someone to tell me what colors go together plus vidya game jokes

  • @OwenRiepe
    @OwenRiepe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Junko aka The Ultimate Despair along with her sister

  • @a1ko.hinata
    @a1ko.hinata 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    maki is an ulitime assasin she lied about being a child care taker

    • @SaveDataTeam
      @SaveDataTeam  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We know that, but wanted to keep it a secret from the people on the stream 😅

    • @a1ko.hinata
      @a1ko.hinata 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SaveDataTeam OHH

  • @ratprt
    @ratprt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ahaha you fool ! i feel whatever about danganronpa !! im here for fashion and character design discussion !

  • @impazeldalinkin
    @impazeldalinkin 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did they ever react to the murders and executions? That would be interesting

  • @RammerHammer
    @RammerHammer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I just have to come on and say that most people do not in fact think Chihiro's gender stuff was handled well. While I'm aware that it's not meant to be a trans narrative, in fact it denies being so on multiple occasions, many of the lived experiences and personality traits that Chihiro displays and embodies very much resonate with people who have struggled with their gender identity or expression. The fact that the microsecond the characters find out that Chihiro was a boy they immediately abandon all female pronouns when referring to them and treat the reveal with such shock and, in some cases genuine disgust (especially in the Japanese where characters flat out use transphobic slurs) is childish and massively offensive and insensitive. And you can't just say "it was a product of it time" or any of that nonsense because this all exists in the English localisation AND the animated adaptation, both of which came out a significant amount of time after the game's Japanese release, meaning they had ample time to find a much less hostile and cruel way of presenting this reveal without it feeling transphobic and wholly dismissive of a lot of players' lived experiences. And don't even get me started on Korekiyo, they had 5 whole years to check themselves and still refused to put in any work to not be grossly offensive.

    • @nehen2225
      @nehen2225 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      If people who come and start pushing their own ideals into a story that doesn't fit because they see it wrongly that doesn't means that the story is wrong, it means the people listening to it are wrong. Just because they see themselves into it doesn't means that it is made with that purpose or that it has themes they find "relatable" to them.
      And no, Korekiyo ISN'T a good example for trans rep because he isn't and his story suggests anything but a good view of trans people if you take it in that direction.

    • @samuelclayhills3298
      @samuelclayhills3298 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you genuenly belive that Korekiyo is meant to be trans then that says way more about you.

  • @barneypurple3435
    @barneypurple3435 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Go Miu! Top Tier Outfit!

  • @ShiyarokuBasil
    @ShiyarokuBasil 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely amazing! 💯
    If you wanna do a follow-up, you could do Danganronpa 3 (anime) and DRAE: UDG.

  • @z0llied54
    @z0llied54 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Byakuya in danganronpa 2 is the ultimate impostor

  • @Sunny_Money
    @Sunny_Money 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:05:00 omg nonbinary Albert Einstein!!!

  • @JigChu7
    @JigChu7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    27:12 ELON!

  • @gdmrhotshot3731
    @gdmrhotshot3731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why are Leon and Rantaro’s so low

  • @kyubeyincubator5779
    @kyubeyincubator5779 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The comments I see keep insisting that chihiro isn’t trans. Although not canon, I’d like to share my headcanon that chihiro can be interpreted as a trans boy. (if we ignore that scene where Sakura “inspects” his body…) I think it feels like a story of a trans man unable to “pass” as a guy because of his inherent feminine traits. The chapter 2 motive is a way for him to finally become his true self. Even if it weren’t the writers’ intention, I can see why trans people would relate to his story.
    side note, tai asking if chiaki is also trans made me happy for some reason 😅..
    (edit: grammar fixes)

    • @samuelclayhills3298
      @samuelclayhills3298 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Source: My headcanon.
      Barvo Vince truly a masterful argument here.

  • @ryanlukkarinen2603
    @ryanlukkarinen2603 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh I KNOW you didn't put Ibuki in the low tier! 😡

  • @aleajohnson3669
    @aleajohnson3669 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Before i get into this video, danganronpa 2 characters have the best designs (cept for the nurse) an im expecting them to like alot of the characters from that game. Lets see

  • @angeldollep8769
    @angeldollep8769 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i revoke ur title of fashionista lol

  • @majoratwili7312
    @majoratwili7312 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    fantastic series until you hit V3. Quite frankly fuck that final trial

    • @barneypurple3435
      @barneypurple3435 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Frankly, I really like the final trial of V3 and I kinda see why people don't like it but it doesn't make V3 terrible where depending on the person that it is really good or really bad.

    • @majoratwili7312
      @majoratwili7312 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@barneypurple3435because it's practically impossible to beat without going full meta build. Also like... Half of the characters are all that enjoyable-

    • @V1G4M1
      @V1G4M1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Wdym? V3 is the pinnacle of DR

    • @robo567
      @robo567 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      that final trial is legit my favorite video game ending ever. i can see why it’s devisive but to this day i have yet to come across another game ending that can top it.

    • @ShyMarshmallowSquad
      @ShyMarshmallowSquad 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I lovee V3 and it’s ending

  • @poopiheadinc.3851
    @poopiheadinc.3851 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    ik some ppl have already cleared it up but the lolita misconception!! lolita fashion is a japanese fashion subculture that revolves around looking like a european doll; the book of the same name isnt relevant to the development of the fashion at all. i loved that everyone immediately loved celeste’s design, she rlly has one of the best looks in the series

  • @CaptianKatsura
    @CaptianKatsura 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video combined with doing AA case 5-3 just reminds me of how weird Japanese Murder Mystery writers were about including trans characters back in that time. Chihiro was obviously written as a trans man, and Robin was written as a trans women, but I can only assume some higher up didn't let them include actual trans characters, so they just did a quick last minute rewrite to make them cis crossdressers instead.

    • @luisjauregui2197
      @luisjauregui2197 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Well it's more of a trope of mystery histories in general: a character hiding something about themselves (in this case their gender) and you have to uncover it. In the case of Chihiro that was done for the mystery aspect above all else, and the writer did say that if he could he would go back to rewrite some parts of Chihiro's character, so not bad faith mostly just poor execution in some aspects

    • @bridgettelair370
      @bridgettelair370 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I always thought Chihiro's character was more about going against traditional stereotypes because he didn't fit the stereotype of a guy and felt shame from that, but he wanted to grow as a person in the end and be his true self.
      I think the main reason a lot of english speaking people think it's transphobic is because as soon as we find out Chihiro has a male body all the characters refer to him with male pronouns without knowing why he dressed as a woman, but Japanese doesn't typically use gendered pronouns so the english version probably used he for simple context. Plus I remember 2010 and trans discussions weren't exactly talked about like they are today, so I doubt that was the original intention.
      I don't remember Ace Attorney as much cause I didn't play it so I got nothing for ya there.