HDZero Eco Kit - Cheapest FPV HD VTX - The END of Analog? Freestyle Flights and Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- The Eco Kit from HDZ tightens the gap between itself and analog for Micro FPV Drones. Is analog now obsolete?! What do you think?
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0:00 - Intro & Freestyle
2:40 - Build List/VTX Info
6:36 - Nighttime Flight
8:15 - Daytime Flight
10:12 - Indoor Flight
11:23 - Camera Comparison
13:19 - Summary/Tech Specs
17:31 - Is HDZ the New Analog?
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WHAT? I just *GOT* into Analog and now I need to upgrade? WTF THIS HOBBY! 🤣🤣🤣 Great vid bro!
Don't worry, analog is still lighter and you'll get better flight times. No need to regret your purchase!
Sorry bro throw them thangs in the TRASH (or send to me) 😂 thanks for the watch man
@@DrKnockOut99👍🤝
Nice pfp also 😊
Nah mate, you’re good, I’m HDZ and analog - HDZ gotta looooong way to go yet buddy before it’s a match for analog 👍🤝🤗
No you dont. Untill you can buy a hd vtx for 20 30 bucks, analog is not dead.not even close
Analog will never die 💯
There will always be a few analog whoops and micros in my fleet!
Found you by accident, glad I did, that is really good info, explained and shown in detail. Impressive.
Your videos give a great vibes. Keep them coming 🤟
Glad you dig em! Much appreciated
10:02 Appreciate you honesty about analog having more penetration. Thumbs up!!
Great stuff, Thumbs up
Enjoyed your video, review and opinions. I also liked the side by side camera comparison. Thanks for that. That V3 camera looks very nice and would be wonderful on a toothpick or small 3s build. I’ve recently started dabbling with HDZero and so happy I did.
I currently have my V3 in a 2s toothpick ! It is a beautiful cam - glad you enjoyed and thanks for stopping by!
I have some analog boards for sale!! haha, I know man, i am just getting into the digital scene also, and yes, an AIO with HDzero would totally do it. Just a matter of time! Great Points made! Cheers
Those analog boards might be worth their weight in gold right now ! Maybe keep em JUST in case 😂 I also think it’s just a matter of time , especially knowing CARL is mind behind it all
Great flying
Cool video!!!
Thank you!
Power looping the house and flying through the two open doors is very cool. You have great control and precise freestyle look. The night view outdoors on that ECO cam is fantastic! I've not seen anyone pointing out this strength of the camera. Looking forward to my Mob6 ECO getting here in a week or so!
Really nice flying!
Ty!
nice one thanks
Ohh looking good, I got my mob6 Eco today so cant wait to try it out and see how it is.
Good review video as always 👌
Much appreciated Inz! Hope you enjoy it - I think you will!
I thought those don't ship for another 2 weeks?
@@somebodyspecific2410 Seems like they ship X amount a day or something like that.
@@inzomenia Oh right on, hope you are having a blast!
Woah, that night flight is craaazzyy. Last summer I really enjoyed flying in parking lots at night, but this would make my yard perfect for night flights. Looks like I'll be snagging one of these soon.
Absolutely impressed by the night performance - especially considering it wasnt even mentioned or marketed! A pleasant surprise and perfect for these quiet micros
Great video, enjoyed it. It was the end of analog for me personally back when I first got it in Dec 2020!
Thank you very much ! Most of my whoops and a few of my toothpicks are still good ol analog. I’ll always probably have at least ONE analog micro in my fleet by HDZ is closing the gap for a lot of people, I would think
Good on you for going solar 👍
Having both analog and hdzero, I really appreciate the hdzero for sheer image quality but when I’m pushing into areas where my signal can’t penetrate as well, I find my hdzero goes to shart pretty quickly with almost a full rainbow screen while with analog I’m able to still “see” through the image and make it. Not all the time but most of the time.
But this is me pushing both systems to their limits. Maybe I’m just used to analog :)
Agree with you 100% - analog will hold on and have a more usable image to me for longer than HDZ will. I just notice that HDZ will hold a crystal clear image for longer than analog will. I guess a bit of a trade off
at least your vtx isn't dead like mine
17:37 I just purchased a VTX+cam for 17$ total so no, it's definitely not. But OpenIPC probably will be.
Ahh very true - I should have specified I was comparing the 3 major HD FPV systems. But I do hear OpenIPC is growing. Can that system be run off 1s power? Is it small enough for whoops? I don’t know much about it
In air I don''t care anymore, digital or analog love them both and trying to survive one more lipo. 😊
Agreed ! Analog image has a certain appeal to it (beside the lower price and weight!) I truly find enjoyment in all of the systems
HD zero is just spicy anolog.
🌶️ 🌶️ I will say the V3 is VERY VERY spicy 😂
Depends on how durable it is. Most whoop size hdzero gear has been very delicate and expensive to replace so far. I've seen multiple videos by reviewers and no one has commented on reliability so far. Either there's no problems to report or everyone is keeping quiet so they don't upset divimath.
Not my experience, my hdz whoop has been crashed a ton without issue. Obviously that's anecdotal but you are the first person I have run into saying HDZ is fragile. Well.... Excluding the SMA connectors on the goggles but I have heard they changed them since the OG model.
I dont think these new ECO kits have been out long enough to give any hard evidence as to their durability TBH. All I can go off of is my own experience so far and this board has survived. But, not sure if you made it to this point in the video, i mentioned durability issues on my original whoop lite boards and why I purposefully chose to use the MOB 6 canopy for this build. I want to make sure this board is protected as much as possible
I have 4 dead vtxes after a crash. Albert Kim released his ECO review today and his also died in a crash.
@@xavierprimeto1752 That hasn't been my experience yet but then again this is not the BNF this is my own build. My board is more protected than what comes on the Mob 6 ECO. Mine is still alive and well but we all fly differently
yeah that thing looks siiiick
Would like to see a range comparison of the stock antenna and the TrueRC one.
Also, until they go single board AIO and have higher than 200mw in said board analog is here to stay.
Might be a good video idea - thanks Tom !
This is the first video that made me wanna buy a HDzero xx DJI fanboy
Why not fly em all ;)
I know that you know the 5 in 1 AIO HM HDzero board is coming. 🍺🍺
I WISH I KNEW 😂
I've had my HDZero goggles since V1 and might actually try them on HD zero now lol
lol yes!! Absolutely worth a try. That nano v3 cam especially is gorgeous on those OLED optics
flying the new prototype aio mobula 7! got mine down to 19.7g with out changing framer or bolts out
I thought the same until I flew the 17g mobula 6 2024, its amazing. The increase in weight is not worth it for the cam quality of HDZero, I think walksnail is the one to watch.
Walksnail on 65 whoop ? :D
It's literally just one more gram weight penalty and you get WAAAY better resolution@@25Kam25Kam25 these still fly like cinewhoops no matter what (or fly for sub 2 minutes). More than 20 grams is too heavy in 65mm category. Also, analog is way to go for 65mm and 75mm still. + These small digital VTXs are so fragile (my own experience).
Yes agreed - it all comes down to the weight, which is very important especially on a whoop an particularly a 65. Maybe HDZ will be able to close this gap even further in the future 🤔 WS is very nice but for me, it is the latency that hurts me more than anything else
I agree 5in1 is needed. Nick Burns just hinted at one in his Tyrantts pro whooper video. I wont switch to hdzero until that 5in1 comes out and is noticeably better than analog.
5-1 is the last piece of puzzle! As long as the board is durable (and isnt crazy expensive) I will make the switch. This eco quality is good enough for me but if they could make it a bit better that would be welcomed. I just like how HDZ breakup is less severe in the ranges I usually fly at. Almost crystal clear. Although Analog for sure still has better overall range and pen. Thanks for the watch, Shauny!
Hi thanks to you im getting into toothpick builds, awesome videos.
I searched the comment section but I couldn't find any other comment asking this but,
Is the Hdzero eco bundle 720p 60fps? Because none of the websites specifically mention this but from your video it looks like 60fps.
Cheers.
Does the eco kit come with long screw for mounting, or do we buy separately, and if so, what's the size measurement Thanks
I want to say it does not but I will confirm with you later as soon as I get back to the desk
I would love to see a HDZero 5in1 AIO, but an entire board in a tiny chip, I'd be broke in less than a heartbeat. The Eco camera isn't that bad at all considdering the price for the kit. Would be amazing if the Whooplite board got a boost to 400mw. Really that's what I'm hoping for. The resizing of the Freestyle was amazing. This looks like a really fun build, I think I have the idea for this Meteor 75Pro frame now. Awesome ripage btw, amazing. Cheers!
Completely agree on all points - would love just a BIT more MW for these separate VTX boards. I wouldnt mind 200 on an AIO at all. Hopefully things to come... Thanks for stopping by amin0 ! Always good to hear from ya
Yeah even a 200mw aio would be amazing. I get really good range and penetration all things considered from the whooplite and 200mw vtx’s at my regular fly spot. Regardless, Ive been really happy with HDZero since preordering goggles.
lets goo
Awesome video bruh!! Did u use the HDZero goggles for the DVR? Im on the VRX so its not as clear as this!
Shogun! Thanks man - and yes, HDZ Goggles DVR. I've heard/seen some big differences in quality from the VRX compared to the goggles. Goggle DVR looks amazing after some Topaz magic, as well !
@@MoeFPV yeah. The ones from the VRX is quite grainy. Great job bruh!
Ive been waiting to see someone compare this to the light cam and thr TW pinch. Knew you would come through for me 😅
Thanks Mr meaty! Also I believe Dan also did a direct comparison on his TH-cam and put all the aspect ratios into one image as well for some nice visualization. Be sure to check his out too!
Oh that's right. He had that race footage too. GOOD STUFF! And congrats on 5th place Pro at Northeast whoop championships!
Would this work with my DJI FPV goggles 2 and FPV controller?
After seeing someone get over 4 minutes on the eco mobula 6 I decided to give 65mm the benefit of my serious doubt once again. Flying forward flight around my house on brand new tinywhoop 300mah cells I get just under 3 minutes. Dont think i ever exceeded 60% throttle (basically hovering). Garbage. I can get about 3.5 mins on my 18.97g 65mm hdzero with old whoop lite gear OR just fly a 75 - 75 Pro with 550 cells and get 3.5 hard flying(well over 60% mostly). My backup was to swap the super x hd onto a 1s 3" and eco cam onto a Fractal 75 Pro.
4 min on eco mob 6?! No way on that KV with that weight. I dont think ive seen close to that flight time even on low KV 0702s on my 16g 65. 75mm will definitely give you more efficiency, but then youll have to balance the KV/power you're looking for compared to flight time
NICE, WHAT BATTERY CAPACITY DID YOU USE?
Fly both, and not financially well off enough to rid myself of all my analog quads. Will continue to fly both with my HDZero goggles for a few more years. Lol
Agree completely - I will always have a few analog whoops and micros in my fleet. HD is nice but $$
Nice flying 🔥 stock tunes ? 🤔
This is a custom build so i did a bit of tunning myself for the higher KV motors but I usually start on UAV Techs whoop present and mess with values from there
So, I fell in love with the walksnail moonlight cam for the low light capability. I found walksnail to be too unreliable and I don't like how they handle degradation. I made the switch to HDZero. I had NO IDEA the ECO cam had such strong low light sensors. I've only ever flown mine in lit areas. I have 4 of them lmao. Going to take mine outside for a test right now. It's about twilight currently in Florida.
I think I am going to pick me up one of those ultra low light WS cams next for a toothpick! But yes completely agree - surprised me when I first took this thing outside lol
@@MoeFPV it is fair to say that you only need the WS pro camera to get the low light capability. The moonlight VTX just enables 4K recording on built in storage.
I’ve now moved entirely away from WalkSnail to HDZ. Planning to sale my goggles X. Aside from penetration, I prefer everything HDZ over WalkSnail personally at this point.
Aside from how fragile the new Eco VTX is. Poor QC on them is turning me off.
Thanks a lot for the tech update!
I think the only reason analog will stay in the game for a while is the latency.
How many ms of latency does digital have at the time? 20-30ms?
So HDZ is the only true ultra-low latency HD system - i wont poorly quote the data but, if youre interested, check out Chriss Rosser's latency testing video. It will show all the HD systems Latency in comparison to analog
Since it now does not have mipi cable can you use runcam DVR recorder and record the camera footage rather than one from goggles which has noises??? Would love to see that ❤
That is not possible with the HDZ system unfortunately
This dude is a good pilot
TY very much!
The range and penetration of analog is still much better than hdzero. I think it's fantastic they made a kit for that price, but it's definitely not ready to replace analog...yet. even the high penetration mode for hdzerodidn't do much at all. It really shines in low light performance over analog, but analog still has the range and penetration.
Completely agree with everything you said here - analog still outperforms in terms of usable range. What I noticed is that HDZ will stay breakup free for longer than analog but analog will out range it in usable breakup
Bro moe I need help 😭. Should I get hd zero or nah
I just got my Eco Mob6 but it has been frustrating. VTX sometimes powers up and sometimes doesn't and sometimes powers up but no signal. Pressing on the Ufl connector sometimes will fix it. Only flown 2 packs so far lol. I guess I will need to tear it down and check my power connections. The 2 packs I did fly in house was good tho. Less breakup than my OG HDZero Mob6 even on 25mw output. I also thought it was a little peppier and smoother in control with default settings. Gotta get that short figured out...
Wow to be honest with you I would immediately reach out to the vendor and start an exchange. That should not be happening out of the box - don’t take it upon yourself to fix a brand new product ! I’m sure HDZ will help you out
Just saw a review today from Albert Kim and his ECO vtx died after a crash so these things are delicate for sure.
@@xavierprimeto1752 That hasn't been my experience yet but then again this is not the BNF this is my own build. My board is more protected than what comes on the Mob 6 ECO. Mine is still alive and well but we all fly differently
I will never stop flying analog because of the latency .. but i will play with them all
im still not sure if hdzero worth in aspect of video quality compared to analog. very little improvement there. also i like the warmth of analog. feels like 1980 F1 footage lol.. hdzero white balance always looks too off lean towards to too much blue.
I have broken 3 nano light cameras and now have 4 boards sitting for backups. lol.
analog will never die but digital is much better great video thank you .
Agreed ! Thanks for the watch
I'm beginning fpv, what's the best for signal penetration
Are you asking what is the best FPV system for penetration? What type of flying will you be doing ?
@@MoeFPV yes. I'm just starting out learning about this stuff, not actually flying anyone right now but I'm trying to learn the pros and cons of different setups.
Looks like a foxeer t rex
Can I get the camera and lens separately?
Can I get the lens for the nano V3 separately? (A few of my whoop lites need new lenses and I am currently using Runcam 1/2” sensor lenses, which have beautiful colours, sharpness, and huge FOV but are way too big and stick out too much. Plus they only screw in one turn to set focus, so definitely not for the freestyle builds.) Also camera housing would be nice, I would draw and print one, but I don’t have the 6 hours it would take me with my mediocre skills.
If anyone has any info on HDZero replacement parts that would be awesome!!!
At least my Runcam90s and micro cameras have widely available lens replacements. But the whoops and toothpicks need some love too.
Very good question and one that I unfortunately don’t know the answer too. I’ll do some digging later to see if I can find more info
@@MoeFPV as long it’s of no burden. I just happened to be watching your video when I remembered that I have 5 whoop lite cameras that I bought just for the lens.
It’s not about the money for me, I just don’t like being wasteful. That’s why I learned to repair stuff and have a free repair service for all the people in my area.
FETs, voltage regulators, gyros and CPUs are dirt cheap and easy to replace and keep stuff running for significantly longer. Plus I have a supply of basically all the common stuff and can get myself and others back in the air within minutes.
Can you put a nano v3 on the new mobula 6?. Cheers
Only if you use the whoop lite board. The ECO only has one camera option due to the way it's connected.
What Kevin said is true - you will have to use the VTX with the MIPI connection to use the V3
why is there two ports on the board ?
One of the ports is for a FC connection and the other is for updating the Firmware on the board
I love Fpv
But quit
I was since the inception before bardwell and all. CHARPU influenced me to get into it: Steele was later anyway
Today I watch after long but the moment you flew your freestyle I couldn’t bear it and won’t watch any flying unless cinematic. I’m that done thanks !
The automatic night mode is god level for a 70 dollar kit.
I was super impressed by that!
cant get used to the immense fisheye lens. I'd rather prefer the original whoop camera.
Interesting - i can see that as being distracting to some. Thanks for the perspective
If only the HDzero goggles weren’t 600$ US without antennas.
The VRX is also an option but in my opinion its not up to the performance of the goggles
I mean I really have never enjoyed analog image. I definitely dealt with analog out of necessity
It has a certain charm in some cases but generally it is more of a 'tolerate'
Shit is getting real...
I'm no expert but I think a 1600mw analog vtx outranges a 200mw hdzero vtx...
Where is the PROOF ?! Kidding 🤣 I should have specified i was speaking primarily about WHOOPS - HDZ also has a 1w, though ;)
Analog will never go away, ain’t noway you gonna beat nobody in a whoop race with that drone 😂stop !!! Yea in 5 inch but not whoops !!!
I’m not gonna beat ANYONE in a whoop race period 🤣 but yes there will always be a place for analog
Bro quit screwing with the power lines.
Loved fhe night flight that was very nice
The setback is the price of the goggles. Seriously. $ 500 is too much to pay for goggles, it just is regardless of how "Good" the video is. Now, if you could get a set for say $ 250 or maybe even $ 300...well at least is might be a consideration. Until the price of goggles comes down, analog will still be around.
Thats a good point - the barrier to entry for HDZ is above just the cost of the VTX. Technically you can pick up the VRX for a cheaper price but, in my opinion, the VRX is not up to the same quality of the goggles. I will always have a few analog whoops in my fleet!
but its worth it if you can afford it
@@turionb1408 I guess that just depends on what you do with the video because it certainly isn't about piloting the craft or just having fun. I don't do anything with the video which is basically irrelevant to me, so there is little to NO "Value" in HD video. Well that makes it, NOT Worth it, for what they want for it. Plus, you lose a quad, it is just more money lost. Don't say that folks don't lose quads because they absolutely DO. Not just me, but others. Truth is HD digital is Not worth it for all folks. I am one of them. Long Live Analog.
Maybe I should stock up while there are parts and they are relatively inexpensive.
End of analog ? Bah ha ha ha analog will never end regardless of what HD does
Bah ha ha ha indeed ! I think analog will always have its place in FPV especially the micro realm, if for nothing else but price and availability. But as hd continues to improve and cost less, I think we’ll certainly see the % of pilots flying analog get lower and lower
Not until it is cheaper than analog and I do not see that happening as we see newer tech coming out with hefty price tags and the China syndrome that so many seem to have now days and demanding it be made in the USA which automatically triples the price....LOL Keep up the great vids@@MoeFPV
Thanks Buzzard! I appreciate you stopping by
It's junk he gets paid to say it's good
I never get paid for any video I release and everything is just my opinion
this might be the first time i saw proper freestyle on a micro whoop. stop, dont make me buy more drones 😳
Just oneee more ;)