I made my first swimbait tonight. Back in the day I was a drone mechanic in the military and learned how to safety wire. They use it to combat vibration on aircraft. Came in handy to make hook eyes.
Amazing video! I carwed a few crankbait from pine wood for wels catfish. I was afraid to use these twist wire hook hangers on them, because they are not recommended for wels. but after this video I do not. I epoxied them 4 cm deep in the lure. I lifted 20 liters of fater in a bucket one of the lures, and the hookhanger not moved. My biggest catfish was about 50 kg. Whit the epoxy you used, I may could lift it off the ground. So I give it a try.
Love your vids.....it’s great to have an actual engineer figuring out these details for us guys making these baits! I would love to see a vid on bonding urethane parts, as so many of us are using urethane in small production runs!
Thank you for doing this test. This is really good info. I always use to do through wires on my musky lures, but now it looks like I can use 5 minute epoxy. Thats gonna save huge amounts of time.
I have found that by leaving one side of the twist slightly longer and then forming a 'V'' with it that once you've pushed it in, then it self grips to an extent. This seems to have added a considerable amount aditional strength to the glue fixing. Great video as usual, thanks.
Always a great educational video.. I can watch the same video over and over not to miss any information..Excellent and thanks for the great presentations Sy
@@EngineeredAngler I enjoy watching what you do, your explanations and discussions do not take away from the videos, it adds to it. Another thing to consider would be that lures usually get coated with resins/ epoxy clear coats. Often multiple coats are applied, do you think this adds to the force that would be required to pull the twist eye/wire form?
unfortunately the clear coat adds almost zero to the pull out strength of the hook eye. Given the nature of the failure mode..bonding rupture. Look at it this way; the added thickness of the clearcoat is like lengthening the twist eye the thickness of the clear coat...a quarter of a mm, maybe.
Fantastic vid! I am hopeful we can get you to create some contraption/jig others can replicate for doing haywire twists with thicker wire for beach bottom live bat rigs. Thanks and Happy Holidays.
Good info........ besides the knot, I always thought the split ring was the next weakest link...........the #2 saltwater rings I use on my lures has a printed test on the package of 20lbs. Less than half the 50lbs the test of the super glued eyes in the vid.
Exactly.. the best way to go is knowing the rig your fishing: reel, rod, line and terminal tackle. Here's a little Insider trick, if you put a couple of drops of crazy glue in the barrel twist you'll get an extra 20 percent strength. Just finished doing some testing with that ... You're the first to know.
Thanks for doing this test! So in exploring options, it looks like a shorter shank (say 1/2") epoxied in would still be way stronger than necessary - good to know for smaller lures. Funny, in looking for the weakest link nobody seems to consider the rod itself - a typical (fresh water) rod is hard pressed to lift a couple of pounds. Think that the average rod (held at 90 degrees to the pull) would probably break before the line it is spooled with.
Use super glue and baking soda , you get rock solid compound, and, more power to super glue conection from wire to wood! I use super glue and baking soda to fill gaps after i put wire thru the lure!
Love your great work. Have you ever do this same test on resin lures. I making resin glide baits for 35 lb stripers. My cherry carved baits hold up nice. Thanks
The lure can fail over time. The holding load is only part of it. When catching a fish, you are putting a strain on the hook hanger during the duration of the fight. The fish is not just pulling in one direction for the whole fight, it may dart in one direction, then another. In time, after catching many fish and snags, the glue may fail. Super glue is a very poor solution, since it bonds poorly with metal. Epoxy does not bond with the metal either, but will bond with the wood and create a very strong shell around the hook hanger. Next try 2 ton epoxy, or stronger. The difference is tremendous.
I know this was 2 years ago, but star bond makes a thick super glue and it works amazingly well. It makes a shell of super glue all the way around the hook hanger
This is a great video that instills more confidence in my homemade ones. I've caught stripers in the surf up to 25lbs and they've held up great so far. I noticed you use 5 min, while I use 2-ton 30 min. Would the results be different?
Here's the deal on the material strength of of these resins: the manufacturers give you the breaking strength of the resins in PSI and that's using a straight tensile strength test. That does not directly apply to how we use it. When we load these resins holding screw in eyes, they will fail in shear. So don't put too much impprtance on what the label is claiming . Typically, higher strength resins take a longer time to develop that strength. So if you're hooking up awesome giant stripers in the surf use a resin that has a longer set time. Thanks you for the engagement.
@@EngineeredAngler I'm glad u brought this up. I almost just made a mistake purchasing some of the fast set super plastic stuff. Now I know this is not what I'm looking for. Thanks!
Awesome test and video. I epoxy mine in but mine could definitely be longer sometimes. And i don't know just how much glue is getting deep down in there, as my holes are pretty snug on the twist-eyes already. But still, more than good enough for lake fishing. Although, we do get into lakers in the mid 30 lbs, so that's salmon sizes now, which, i guess i should ensure a solid eye. Another curious test, is when does a treble barb start to straighten. On salmon and cod, we sometimes get a barb that has began to open
One of the benefits of putting twist eyes instead of screw eyes is that the twist tend to carry the glue in along with it where the threads on a screw eye tend to sort of squeegee It off as it threads in. I think that if you can get a 150 lb holding power with an inch and a quarter embedment you can pretty much reel in most any fish you'll find in a lake. Thank you for the comment and kind words
I've noticed over the years, with application other than baits, that superglue is unreliable over time. It seems that at some point, that high strength glue joint often lets go much later on. Glue joints just fall apart. I don't know why and I don't know if epoxy does too. Any info about that.
AC glue (super glue) is weird stuff..it sometimes fakes you out with what appears to be solid adhesion but...not really. It does not do well with heat and is brittle while tending to expand and contract with heat, not a good combination. I use it mostly for non critical elements and temporary connections. Epoxy is slower, more flexible and more thermally stable. ..but nothing is forever... .I'm always looking for ways to combine glue with some mechanical friction to improve the odds. Great question. ..thanks
I really like your videos and how you like to experiment. Thank you for sharing your content and knowledge with us. I have taken up lure making while I am off work due to open heart surgery a month ago a enjoy these videos. I recently made a glide bait and I am looking for material to make a tail. What material would you recommend for a tail that is clear and semi-soft? Kind of a plastic type material that is durable?
Thank you! I happened to stumble upon a video after I posted this question about a woman who accidentally made flexible epoxy. She was using 90% isopropanol alcohol in a spray bottle to thin some paint she splattered on the epoxy. When the epoxy hardened it was flexible. She then later mixed 1/4 ounce to 1 ounce epoxy just to see how it would turn out. It ended up working. I think I'm going to try to use a brush how you make a tail and then pour epoxy over the top of it and see how that works out
I have had no issues with cracking or yellowing. I have noticed that full hardness is achieved somewhere around 15 days. Can't push a fingernail into it. I use two coats.
Hi! To attach twisted wire you drill bigger hole and plenty of glue or a bit smaller hole with almost no glue but tight fit? What would work better you think, thabks
Hello I have a question about thru wire. I have just gotten into lure making and I have been using .041 safety wire for thru wire. Do you think this wire is strong enough for trolling lures to Mahi and wahoo?
Hi there, you mentioned using 5 min epoxe... Years ago I used to use the quick cure stuff but have since gone to the longer cure stuff. The reason being that I found the 5 min would degrade over time after exposure to the elements, whereas the longer cure epoxe would hold up way better... Have you found this to be true at all?
Siempre quize saber las lbs.chingon mi amigo.yo invente otro sistema q aguanta mucho mas.lo hago con anzuelos numero 8 los corto y les hago un pequeño dobles asi q no sale.con el dremel le hago un hoyo redondo al fondo asi que no se sale y le doy una raspada a todo el tunel.con plastiloka.ya que los pegamentos liquidos con el tiempo se hacen plastico.
Only if you're willing to lose the big one. In all seriousness, if you fish for anything bigger than 5 lbs don't do it. For balsa most use a wire harness.
Just a pointless video in my opinion. I don't even twist the wires together the legs are parallel, and is forced into a hole that is sized for a tight fit that creates compression when assembled. I key the wire legs by using side cutters to make indentations along the wire. This works fine for up to 50lb tackle. Super glue is really only suitable for purely tensile applications. The way the forces are distributed in a lure situation its always going to be weaker than epoxy. Any flexing forces over time will weaken it progressively, so how it measures in a 1 off controlled situation does not tell the real story. And just as a side note there's a certain very well known American bass lure company that uses screw eyes into plastic and they pull out at 10 Lbs!. But there's still been a lot of fish caught on them. So yeah, measuring screw eyes with hundreds of pounds of strength doesn't really teach me anything I didn't know by experience and instinct. If I was making poppers to fish for GTs with 80lb braid, then yes, I'd bother doing the full twisted leg routine.
I have caught 4 oz crappie and 400lb hammer head sharks, there's a rig and a desired strength for each application. Sorry you didn't find this useful but, let me know what you would like to see. Thank you for the feed back. Cheers.
I made my first swimbait tonight. Back in the day I was a drone mechanic in the military and learned how to safety wire. They use it to combat vibration on aircraft. Came in handy to make hook eyes.
Yes...my brother was an A&P mechanic before he became a commercial pilot...he gave me his old wire twister.
I love the thought process behind your vids. More people need to see your videos. So much great content.
Thanks. ..so nice to hear folks get something out of it.
I love your explanations, step by step of the whole process, but what I like most are your conclusions. Many thanks for this interesting video!
You're very welcome!
Amazing video! I carwed a few crankbait from pine wood for wels catfish. I was afraid to use these twist wire hook hangers on them, because they are not recommended for wels. but after this video I do not. I epoxied them 4 cm deep in the lure. I lifted 20 liters of fater in a bucket one of the lures, and the hookhanger not moved. My biggest catfish was about 50 kg. Whit the epoxy you used, I may could lift it off the ground. So I give it a try.
Love your vids.....it’s great to have an actual engineer figuring out these details for us guys making these baits! I would love to see a vid on bonding urethane parts, as so many of us are using urethane in small production runs!
That was an excellent test and answers those many questions that I've had about how to properly attach the screw eyes on bigger baits. Great video!
Thank you. ..I'm glad it was useful
Thank you for doing this test. This is really good info. I always use to do through wires on my musky lures, but now it looks like I can use 5 minute epoxy. Thats gonna save huge amounts of time.
Glad this helped.
I would love to see an engineer tackle slow pitch and seed jigs.....you could probably really shake up the industry
I was debating whether to use this system on musky baits. Guess that answers it.
I have found that by leaving one side of the twist slightly longer and then forming a 'V'' with it that once you've pushed it in, then it self grips to an extent. This seems to have added a considerable amount aditional strength to the glue fixing. Great video as usual, thanks.
Yes I've done the same played around with putting a little V turn at the end it does tend to Anchor it. Thank you for the feedback.
Thank you very helpful . I am going to use those screw eyes with 5 minute epoxy in my Musky baits.
Hardware bonding is how we attach hugely loaded structures to wood, or composite yachts. Perfectly usable.
Thanks
I needed this video ... Once again, you are the champ.
Always a great educational video.. I can watch the same video over and over not to miss any information..Excellent and thanks for the great presentations Sy
Thank you so much...nice to get the positive feedback.
Great info and channel. Appreciate your content. I build balsa baits for bass. Have always used five minute epoxy for the screw eyes.
Great video, especially the discussion after the tests.
I'm always a little hesitant to get to academic and professorial in these videos but sometimes you got to put things in perspective
@@EngineeredAngler I enjoy watching what you do, your explanations and discussions do not take away from the videos, it adds to it. Another thing to consider would be that lures usually get coated with resins/ epoxy clear coats. Often multiple coats are applied, do you think this adds to the force that would be required to pull the twist eye/wire form?
unfortunately the clear coat adds almost zero to the pull out strength of the hook eye. Given the nature of the failure mode..bonding rupture. Look at it this way; the added thickness of the clearcoat is like lengthening the twist eye the thickness of the clear coat...a quarter of a mm, maybe.
Well done! Thank you for doing this experiment and sharing with us!
Great video, I twist my own line / hook ties out of .051 stainless and I only use 5 min. Epoxy. 👍🏼👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Thanks for this demo! I mainly fish trout and use 2lb test and here I was worried about my lure failing 😂😂😂
Nice to know...right?
Fantastic vid!
I am hopeful we can get you to create some contraption/jig others can replicate for doing haywire twists with thicker wire for beach bottom live bat rigs.
Thanks and Happy Holidays.
nice work, interesting results
Good info........ besides the knot, I always thought the split ring was the next weakest link...........the #2 saltwater rings I use on my lures has a printed test on the package of 20lbs. Less than half the 50lbs the test of the super glued eyes in the vid.
Exactly.. the best way to go is knowing the rig your fishing: reel, rod, line and terminal tackle. Here's a little Insider trick, if you put a couple of drops of crazy glue in the barrel twist you'll get an extra 20 percent strength. Just finished doing some testing with that ... You're the first to know.
Great info! Thanks so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Should do a test on balsa with crazy glue and baking soda
Thanks for doing this test! So in exploring options, it looks like a shorter shank (say 1/2") epoxied in would still be way stronger than necessary - good to know for smaller lures. Funny, in looking for the weakest link nobody seems to consider the rod itself - a typical (fresh water) rod is hard pressed to lift a couple of pounds. Think that the average rod (held at 90 degrees to the pull) would probably break before the line it is spooled with.
Totally right...gotta consider the entire system.
Awesome video by the way!
Thanks
Super glue with baking soda works great for me never had a problem
Must not catch big fish. ;)
+ wooden boat sea glue is very firm !
Thanks
Makes me feel better since I just used super glue on my last five baits.
Use super glue and baking soda , you get rock solid compound, and, more power to super glue conection from wire to wood! I use super glue and baking soda to fill gaps after i put wire thru the lure!
Love your great work. Have you ever do this same test on resin lures. I making resin glide baits for 35 lb stripers. My cherry carved baits hold up nice. Thanks
I use an internal wire harness inside my resin baits, pretty much bullet proof.
I'll use table top resin for them,(it's probably stronger and definitely harder. It is marine safe). But did you say 18 Guage wire?
The lure can fail over time. The holding load is only part of it. When catching a fish, you are putting a strain on the hook hanger during the duration of the fight. The fish is not just pulling in one direction for the whole fight, it may dart in one direction, then another. In time, after catching many fish and snags, the glue may fail. Super glue is a very poor solution, since it bonds poorly with metal. Epoxy does not bond with the metal either, but will bond with the wood and create a very strong shell around the hook hanger. Next try 2 ton epoxy, or stronger. The difference is tremendous.
I know this was 2 years ago, but star bond makes a thick super glue and it works amazingly well. It makes a shell of super glue all the way around the hook hanger
Hey great video. Could you do an additional test. Super glue mixed with baking soda? Well keep up the great work.
I'll try that mix out....
This is awesome stuff!
This is a great video that instills more confidence in my homemade ones. I've caught stripers in the surf up to 25lbs and they've held up great so far. I noticed you use 5 min, while I use 2-ton 30 min. Would the results be different?
Jimmy Jam me too! It's funny we just talked about this!
Here's the deal on the material strength of of these resins: the manufacturers give you the breaking strength of the resins in PSI and that's using a straight tensile strength test. That does not directly apply to how we use it. When we load these resins holding screw in eyes, they will fail in shear. So don't put too much impprtance on what the label is claiming . Typically, higher strength resins take a longer time to develop that strength. So if you're hooking up awesome giant stripers in the surf use a resin that has a longer set time.
Thanks you for the engagement.
@@EngineeredAngler I'm glad u brought this up. I almost just made a mistake purchasing some of the fast set super plastic stuff. Now I know this is not what I'm looking for. Thanks!
very tanks master regards from tabasco mexico
De nado hombre, saludos a todos in Tabasco. Gracias.
Awesome test and video. I epoxy mine in but mine could definitely be longer sometimes. And i don't know just how much glue is getting deep down in there, as my holes are pretty snug on the twist-eyes already. But still, more than good enough for lake fishing. Although, we do get into lakers in the mid 30 lbs, so that's salmon sizes now, which, i guess i should ensure a solid eye.
Another curious test, is when does a treble barb start to straighten. On salmon and cod, we sometimes get a barb that has began to open
One of the benefits of putting twist eyes instead of screw eyes is that the twist tend to carry the glue in along with it where the threads on a screw eye tend to sort of squeegee It off as it threads in. I think that if you can get a 150 lb holding power with an inch and a quarter embedment you can pretty much reel in most any fish you'll find in a lake. Thank you for the comment and kind words
how about testing factory made screw in eyes in comparison... have you done it already?
Yes...they open up at a pretty low pull load.
thank you .this was very interesting
You are welcome 😊
Great video. One question. How did you insert the epoxy into the hole ? Thanks
Here's my technique:
th-cam.com/video/RSk2U-cT6rI/w-d-xo.html
To Hank you for the information.
your welcome
Very usefull ! Thanks !
I've noticed over the years, with application other than baits, that superglue is unreliable over time. It seems that at some point, that high strength glue joint often lets go much later on. Glue joints just fall apart. I don't know why and I don't know if epoxy does too. Any info about that.
AC glue (super glue) is weird stuff..it sometimes fakes you out with what appears to be solid adhesion but...not really. It does not do well with heat and is brittle while tending to expand and contract with heat, not a good combination. I use it mostly for non critical elements and temporary connections. Epoxy is slower, more flexible and more thermally stable. ..but nothing is forever...
.I'm always looking for ways to combine glue with some mechanical friction to improve the odds.
Great question. ..thanks
Can u make a ”Howe to builde a wheeldryer for your lure”?
Im just to build one and realy Wanna know ur stuff 👍🏼
th-cam.com/video/wT7v7AHut5k/w-d-xo.html
how much would a 2.99 inch twist hold also what angel should the bottom hook hangers be put in
Very helpful !
Question.... what kind of epoxy to use to make a hard body crank bait ??
I would appreciate some help
Thanks
Here's what I am using:
specialtyresin.com/product/fabri-cast-50/
Engineered Angler Thank you so much! I need to try to make a hollow crank bait so I can put weight and rattles... wish me luck
Thanks again!!
You'll do it...and have fun too.
I really like your videos and how you like to experiment. Thank you for sharing your content and knowledge with us. I have taken up lure making while I am off work due to open heart surgery a month ago a enjoy these videos. I recently made a glide bait and I am looking for material to make a tail. What material would you recommend for a tail that is clear and semi-soft? Kind of a plastic type material that is durable?
You can often get clear, thin and flexible material from blister packaging. I try to save useful packaging materials...it often comes in handy.
Thank you! I happened to stumble upon a video after I posted this question about a woman who accidentally made flexible epoxy. She was using 90% isopropanol alcohol in a spray bottle to thin some paint she splattered on the epoxy. When the epoxy hardened it was flexible. She then later mixed 1/4 ounce to 1 ounce epoxy just to see how it would turn out. It ended up working. I think I'm going to try to use a brush how you make a tail and then pour epoxy over the top of it and see how that works out
very useful
Glad to hear that
How does that crystal clear coat hold up, have you had any problems with cracking, if so, how many coats does it need to stop?
I have had no issues with cracking or yellowing. I have noticed that full hardness is achieved somewhere around 15 days. Can't push a fingernail into it. I use two coats.
Excelente trabajo
Gracias
I wonder how loctite gel holds compared to these.
Another great video and explanation. Have you tried 24 hour epoxy /
There's not much of a difference in strength between the two-part epoxies no matter what the set time. Thank you for encouragement
Hi!
To attach twisted wire you drill bigger hole and plenty of glue or a bit smaller hole with almost no glue but tight fit? What would work better you think, thabks
to maximize the strength dill a bigger hole and fill it with glue. But be sure it's full of glue!
@@EngineeredAngler thanks, no easy to fill it as there is always some air bubbles 😞
Molto interessante 👍. Grazie.
Hello I have a question about thru wire. I have just gotten into lure making and I have been using .041 safety wire for thru wire. Do you think this wire is strong enough for trolling lures to Mahi and wahoo?
Yes, the wire it's self is strong enough you're concern should be with you trmination twists. If you do those well you should get plenty of strength.
Hi there, you mentioned using 5 min epoxe... Years ago I used to use the quick cure stuff but have since gone to the longer cure stuff. The reason being that I found the 5 min would degrade over time after exposure to the elements, whereas the longer cure epoxe would hold up way better... Have you found this to be true at all?
I haven't had any issues but It might be because I only use the epoxy in spots where there is no exposure to sun or water.
999 subscribers! Come on! I'll see if I can find one more person lol
I know right ... Somebody's got to throw it over the edge
@@EngineeredAngler Congrats!
There is a CA glue in a thick formula.
All super glues are not created equal. How about some different brands super glue, and epoxies?
Thanks
Siempre quize saber las lbs.chingon mi amigo.yo invente otro sistema q aguanta mucho mas.lo hago con anzuelos numero 8 los corto y les hago un pequeño dobles asi q no sale.con el dremel le hago un hoyo redondo al fondo asi que no se sale y le doy una raspada a todo el tunel.con plastiloka.ya que los pegamentos liquidos con el tiempo se hacen plastico.
Un poco trabajado....pero me parece una buena idea.
5min epoxy is a win for me.. Pretty much not going to be fishing for 150lbs fish or any that pull that strong. I.e.. No tuna for me.. LOL
What kind of 5min epoxy do you use?
Usually gorilla glue
Thank you
This is simple thru-wire everything for saltwater and you can try everything else for freshwater 💯😜
what about using twist eyes in balsa?
Only if you're willing to lose the big one. In all seriousness, if you fish for anything bigger than 5 lbs don't do it. For balsa most use a wire harness.
I use a hot glue gun been doing it for years haven’t had any trouble
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Tooth Proof leader wire
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Make a hook out of a nail that fits your drill
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Just a pointless video in my opinion. I don't even twist the wires together the legs are parallel, and is forced into a hole that is sized for a tight fit that creates compression when assembled. I key the wire legs by using side cutters to make indentations along the wire. This works fine for up to 50lb tackle. Super glue is really only suitable for purely tensile applications. The way the forces are distributed in a lure situation its always going to be weaker than epoxy. Any flexing forces over time will weaken it progressively, so how it measures in a 1 off controlled situation does not tell the real story. And just as a side note there's a certain very well known American bass lure company that uses screw eyes into plastic and they pull out at 10 Lbs!. But there's still been a lot of fish caught on them. So yeah, measuring screw eyes with hundreds of pounds of strength doesn't really teach me anything I didn't know by experience and instinct. If I was making poppers to fish for GTs with 80lb braid, then yes, I'd bother doing the full twisted leg routine.
I have caught 4 oz crappie and 400lb hammer head sharks, there's a rig and a desired strength for each application. Sorry you didn't find this useful but, let me know what you would like to see. Thank you for the feed back. Cheers.