@@JohnSmith762A11B 3:2 sensor, opengate, and slowmotion at opengate, while having decent dynamic range... up to arri mini lf and venice no other camera has that feature set... red has no 3:2 sensor, zcam, panasonic etc have no slowmotion at opengate, kinefinity has less dynamic range... and paired with Braw and the price it is instantly THE camera to get imo
I've been waiting for a worthy successor to my pocket 4K, which has been very much sufficient with the metabones speed booster 0.64 XL. This might be my first upgrade since then! 🙌🏾 Great video! Very informative.
@CVPTV Yes! The video was helpful. I just wanted to confirm because I have heard from other sources that the CF Express type B module will limit video recording to 60 frames per second.
The 1700$ 8TB media module gives you a lot more storage per dollar than buying CFexpress cards, at least 50% cheaper and 8TB is more than I will ever need for any single project, but needing a 2000$ media dock for offloading is a dealbreaker.
In my experience with the types of projects that I do (mostly commercials) shooting whole day on a single media unit is problematic since you're not backing up throughout the day and are putting all your proverbial eggs into the same basket. In this regard, more manageable chunks of 1-2TB (depending on the data rates of course) are more preferrable as you or your DIT can verify that the footage is okay and back it up throughout the day and in case of an issue - hopefully be able to reshoot the problematic shots.
Blackmagic, if you’re listening… put this sensor in a Pyxis Pro for $4K, with V-Mount/Gold Mound battery options and Neutral Density. It’s fine if it’s limited in resolution and framerate.
You better hope your DP or whoever rented the camera also rented the card reader & multiple drives. Big storage is cool, but often on professional shoots, the DIT is transferring files the entire shoot day, not just at the end. Even with a modern thunderbolt workflow, it's just a ton of data. I have a hard time seeing how massive, internal drives like this make sense on commercial and narrative film sets. However, maybe for doc work where you don't have an AC or DIT, this could be awesome because it's one less thing to worry about while shooting run and gun. Still, I worry about putting so much of my very important footage onto a single drive that could fail, rather than spreading it out among several cards
@ I have! You guys are brilliant. I meant more real world shooting from filmmakers who have purchased or rented the camera. With other systems, we usually see brands giving away a few cameras to filmmakers who will shoot docs or spec ads to showcase how the camera reacts in a real world scenario. We haven't seen much of this from any BM launch, but it would have been particularly nice to see with this one. As it's their "best" camera yet.
Super interested in this. My two holdbacks: 1. The green skintones that seems to show up and all the videos I have seen (seems to be difficult to control/correct). 2. Body durability, looks to scratch easily? Very interested in your comments or corrections on these concerns. Thank you for the amazing content!
I wonder how the Mini Pro 12K OLPF will change in price after this camera starts shipping. I cant imagine they can still sell it for nearly the same price.
Funny that they even give you the option to continue shooting video that’s dropping frames. That feature should absolutely be on by default. I sold my BM cameras and got the Ronin 4D8k. It’s absolutely amazing besides a few livable quirks. After fiddling with cameras that don’t have mechanical stabilization I quickly realized that when shooting low frame rates like 24fps, having built-in machanical stabilization made my footage look significantly sharper then even more expensive cameras when doing moving shots. Stabilizing blurred footage in post is not a good workflow. I’m sure this camera is incredible if you’re always on a tripod. Maybe some day I’ll be able to afford two cinema cameras (one for movement shots and one for high dynamic range Tripod shots) but for now super happy with the 4D.
@@geoffreybassett6741That’s low key crazy. Having built in ND is a godsend if you wanna keep your build small. Granted the camera itself isn’t very small so I can see the argument for just doing it through a mattebox nd filter kit but tbh I would much rather lose the mattebox while keeping high quality PL glass with pretty flares (ie cooke panchro classics).
I’m not sure about M, but I’m pretty sure BMD said that the L-Mount physically wouldn’t fit with the mechanics of their interchangeable system, and they were forced to make the call between user-interchangeable, and separate bodies for each mount with more mount options. I think this was talked about during either an NAB 2024 or CineGear LA 2024 interview.
@@geoffreybassett6741 They would have to make something along the lines of a Pyxis variant of this for L mount to come, because the ND of the Ursa Cine are part of the camera and not the mount, and thus the flange distance on this camera is too large for any of the mirrorless mounts
Would it be possible for you to also mention the prices in € and $ in your future videos for your European and American viewers? Great content as always though! I want this camera so badly, and we are actually in the market for a new A-cam right now. We would be able to afford it, but as you mentioned, the required workflow is just so different. And it really is, as you put it, a power-hungry lump of a camera. But we are so invested in Sony glass (although we recently picked up some Ares primes in PL) that I guess we will just wait for the FX9 or FX6 successor-hopefully arriving with the global shutter sensor from the A9 III, Sony’s new AI autofocus, internal 6k raw like the C80, open gate for vertical video and the variable ND (but without the IR pollution from the Burano :D). That said, the specs on the Ursa are just so damn perfect that I find myself constantly arguing with myself about whether we’d be able to make it work for our small two people production company after all. Open Gate, BRAW, those frame rates, the fact that you can use the whole sensor without line skipping, the dynamic range of course and so on. I doubt that anything from Sony will come close to what Blackmagic did here-especially with that €25,000 Burano out there, which would instantly get cannibalized by the hypothetical FX9 camera with Open Gate I just described. But who knows. And I doubt they will put X-OCN in that camera because of the Burano, but maybe they will allow external BRAW recording right off the bat. Ok, rant over. Thanks, CVP! Greetings from Bremen, Germany 🇩🇪
Fühle deine Nachricht, denke auch immer wieder über die Kamera nach. Aber sind wir mal ehrlich die 10-12.000€ die ihr hinlegt sind nicht so geil investiert. Deinen Kunden ist es komplett egal ob die Arbeit mit der FX3/FX6 oder diesem Koffer erledigt wird. Es sieht auch am Ende keiner den Unterschied ;) Wir haben eine Ursa Mini Pro 4.6 K seit Jahren in der Tasche stehen seit dem es die Pocket 6K gibt. Und seit dem eine Panasonic S5 II X gibt, stehen die Pockets 6K‘s mehr rum. Am Ende nimmt man in einem kleinen Team doch immer das Werkzeug was schnell und easy zu bedienen ist. 😊 Beste Grüße aus Koblenz - Mark Edelmann
@ Stimme ich dir vollkommen zu - dem Kunden ist das in aller Regel ziemlich egal :D Das „Problem“ ist, dass wir eigentlich jetzt eine neue A-Cam bräuchten aber es fühlt sich einfach nicht so richtig an zu diesem Zeitpunkt noch in eine FX6 geschweige denn in eine FX9 zu investieren. Die FX6 ist natürlich immer noch eine sehr fähige Kamera aber die Codecs und der „alte“ Autofocus oder auch das Menü, der eingebaute Bildschirm, die fehlende Möglichkeit intern RAW aufzunehmen, die XLR-Anschlüsse auf dem Top Handle und auch die Auflösung fühlen sich schon etwas aus der Zeit gekommen an. Ich denke 6K ist der Sweetspot im Moment, jedenfalls für unsere Arbeit. Deswegen bin ich etwas ungeduldig mit Sony :D Grade mit der neuen Canon c400 und der c80. Liebe Grüße, Richard
Just to confirm, there will be NO frame rate limitations for the CF Express module? If not, I'm sure it will be handled like their current generation of cameras where if your media can support it it'll either drop frames or stop recording if the media can't handle the data rates.
I really wish other camera manufacturers would take a hard look at BM's UI design and implement something similar. Navigating the FX6's menu is just such a pain, same goes for all Japanese cameras really. They just refuse to do away with their ancient menu systems
@@Lensgnome the problem is that it's next year, and it comes with the BRAW functionality as well... Not sure why they need a whole year for a firmware update. Sony is so slow to roll out anything.
@@thingsforotaku8082valid, not sure why Sonys taking such a long time, maybe to signal no new cinema cameras coming from them or to give the illusion of continued support. Their next line of cameras better be very competitive that’s for sure.
@ I just hope they stop removing features like choosing actual framerates depending on pal/ntsc. I still can't choose 60fps but I can do 30fps. It's so weird, the same thing happened on the FX3...
I would be interested to see how these high end cameras handle astrophotography, this camera would be interesting for planetary due to it being more for video.
Wait, ifs half rhe price of the bundle? I kimda thought the bundle would end up cheaper at slightly below 10k. But might have misread that number somehow. If this is a price that BMD can afford - the 17K will be really exciting if it comes in a barebones variant.
@ enabled, does that mean this is a feature that may come in the future? or am I asking to many questions. Wink Lol thanks for the response. this will effect my options. As I’m looking to buy a camera very soon.
It’s a vibe thing though lol, sadly. Great camera, but no one I know in my little corner of the industry wants a BlackMagic camera. But this will change eventually, I believe, but not right now
A few years ago, I was looking to make a big purchase that would last and give me the most value. I was considering 8k Black Magic. The old rabbi in B&H said: And what are you going to use this for? Scientific applications? Do you need to see a bullet in slow motion? Me: Not exactly. Rabbi: Then save your money. Buy something 4k and use the rest on lenses and other things. Nothing is going beyond 4k for quite some time. He was right. :)
pretty much. Most movies are 2K resolution and they're projected on huge screens. This 12k stuff is nonsense honestly. So many film people acquiring overly expensive gear think it will make their films or cinematography better when it's actually just bad lighting. The creator proved this by making a visual masterpiece on an FX3 which is half the price of this. They did use some expensive lenses, but you can get similar results without it.
@@Bast6 That's so weird... I heard about this from other users but I haven't experienced it myself since every OS I own are in English (being in a French zone myself). I don't know if you can do anything about it as the uploader if it's like the AI summary below videos where you currently cannot remove it.
![โกดำ - วสันต์17 x ไม้เมือง [Official Music]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OUg2L4Sx1TY/mqdefault.jpg)
Yes video on the studio setup would be great!
such an ugly design!!!
BlackMagic has taken the spot that VariCam once held.
It's making sense
Even though the Varicam looks so much better…
@DanielTroyer Yes it does. A shame Panasonic abandoned VariCam
It is instantly THE camera to get if you are into anamorphic shooting
Why?
@@JohnSmith762A11B 3:2 sensor, opengate, and slowmotion at opengate, while having decent dynamic range... up to arri mini lf and venice no other camera has that feature set... red has no 3:2 sensor, zcam, panasonic etc have no slowmotion at opengate, kinefinity has less dynamic range... and paired with Braw and the price it is instantly THE camera to get imo
@@JohnSmith762A11B what he said, plus it's extremely low sensor read out rate especially at 8 and 4K
100% There is nothing close to it with an open gate sensor for less than $25000
I've been waiting for a worthy successor to my pocket 4K, which has been very much sufficient with the metabones speed booster 0.64 XL. This might be my first upgrade since then! 🙌🏾
Great video! Very informative.
I see you asked about CFB limitations, did the video cover your question? Glad the video was helpful! Jake
@CVPTV Yes! The video was helpful. I just wanted to confirm because I have heard from other sources that the CF Express type B module will limit video recording to 60 frames per second.
Interesting where did you hear that?
Just had it confirmed that the limitations are as I’ve stated in this video. Jake
@@CVPTV THANK YOU! If it ain't CVP it ain't right! 🙌🏾
Fantastic iteration of the Blackmagic cameras. Socks all the boxes for me with its features. Nice review Jake and co!
The 1700$ 8TB media module gives you a lot more storage per dollar than buying CFexpress cards, at least 50% cheaper and 8TB is more than I will ever need for any single project, but needing a 2000$ media dock for offloading is a dealbreaker.
100% the module is really good value! Same as you, really wish there was a simple USB-C / TB5 singular bus powered reader for it. Jake
In my experience with the types of projects that I do (mostly commercials) shooting whole day on a single media unit is problematic since you're not backing up throughout the day and are putting all your proverbial eggs into the same basket. In this regard, more manageable chunks of 1-2TB (depending on the data rates of course) are more preferrable as you or your DIT can verify that the footage is okay and back it up throughout the day and in case of an issue - hopefully be able to reshoot the problematic shots.
@@CVPTVthey should have just put a usb-c port on the module itself, seems like an oversight
You might not need 8tb at once. For me, 4k is enough if full frame and better dr. I use 6k ff at the moment and love it.
@@EastonOliverexactly
Blackmagic, if you’re listening… put this sensor in a Pyxis Pro for $4K, with V-Mount/Gold Mound battery options and Neutral Density. It’s fine if it’s limited in resolution and framerate.
😂
You better hope your DP or whoever rented the camera also rented the card reader & multiple drives. Big storage is cool, but often on professional shoots, the DIT is transferring files the entire shoot day, not just at the end. Even with a modern thunderbolt workflow, it's just a ton of data.
I have a hard time seeing how massive, internal drives like this make sense on commercial and narrative film sets.
However, maybe for doc work where you don't have an AC or DIT, this could be awesome because it's one less thing to worry about while shooting run and gun.
Still, I worry about putting so much of my very important footage onto a single drive that could fail, rather than spreading it out among several cards
We need more footage online from this camera!
Have you watched this? th-cam.com/video/xJgtQlv5Iqk/w-d-xo.html
@ I have! You guys are brilliant.
I meant more real world shooting from filmmakers who have purchased or rented the camera.
With other systems, we usually see brands giving away a few cameras to filmmakers who will shoot docs or spec ads to showcase how the camera reacts in a real world scenario. We haven't seen much of this from any BM launch, but it would have been particularly nice to see with this one. As it's their "best" camera yet.
I have footage coming soon. I’m working on an action thriller. Just did camera and lens testing. The sensor is remarkable and the camera is amazing!
@@Darkanentcan't wait to see it! How's the low light at the base and various iso levels?
@@MtZionMediaPro wasn't able to test the lowlight but the ISO levels are sublime.
Awesome info compilation, guys! Thinking about getting things separately right now 😊
Great job! Thank you!
This is the gimbal beast we've been waiting for.
I don't know about that chief. Unless you use the lower wattage battery
@lucascoble it depends on how you power it. Using a ring, for starters. It can be done.
What gimbal are you dreaming of, a trinity 2? LOL
informative video and useful camera system. Thanks CVP.
Super interested in this. My two holdbacks: 1. The green skintones that seems to show up and all the videos I have seen (seems to be difficult to control/correct). 2. Body durability, looks to scratch easily? Very interested in your comments or corrections on these concerns. Thank you for the amazing content!
I wonder how the Mini Pro 12K OLPF will change in price after this camera starts shipping. I cant imagine they can still sell it for nearly the same price.
amazing content as always
Funny that they even give you the option to continue shooting video that’s dropping frames. That feature should absolutely be on by default. I sold my BM cameras and got the Ronin 4D8k. It’s absolutely amazing besides a few livable quirks. After fiddling with cameras that don’t have mechanical stabilization I quickly realized that when shooting low frame rates like 24fps, having built-in machanical stabilization made my footage look significantly sharper then even more expensive cameras when doing moving shots. Stabilizing blurred footage in post is not a good workflow. I’m sure this camera is incredible if you’re always on a tripod. Maybe some day I’ll be able to afford two cinema cameras (one for movement shots and one for high dynamic range Tripod shots) but for now super happy with the 4D.
They need to add some sort of Mirrorless Mount like M or L mount.
That would be killer, but I think it would be hard given the OLPF stack and ND filter system. Jake
@@CVPTV I would sacrifice the ND for L-mount.
@@geoffreybassett6741That’s low key crazy. Having built in ND is a godsend if you wanna keep your build small. Granted the camera itself isn’t very small so I can see the argument for just doing it through a mattebox nd filter kit but tbh I would much rather lose the mattebox while keeping high quality PL glass with pretty flares (ie cooke panchro classics).
I’m not sure about M, but I’m pretty sure BMD said that the L-Mount physically wouldn’t fit with the mechanics of their interchangeable system, and they were forced to make the call between user-interchangeable, and separate bodies for each mount with more mount options. I think this was talked about during either an NAB 2024 or CineGear LA 2024 interview.
@@geoffreybassett6741 They would have to make something along the lines of a Pyxis variant of this for L mount to come, because the ND of the Ursa Cine are part of the camera and not the mount, and thus the flange distance on this camera is too large for any of the mirrorless mounts
Would it be possible for you to also mention the prices in € and $ in your future videos for your European and American viewers? Great content as always though!
I want this camera so badly, and we are actually in the market for a new A-cam right now. We would be able to afford it, but as you mentioned, the required workflow is just so different. And it really is, as you put it, a power-hungry lump of a camera.
But we are so invested in Sony glass (although we recently picked up some Ares primes in PL) that I guess we will just wait for the FX9 or FX6 successor-hopefully arriving with the global shutter sensor from the A9 III, Sony’s new AI autofocus, internal 6k raw like the C80, open gate for vertical video and the variable ND (but without the IR pollution from the Burano :D).
That said, the specs on the Ursa are just so damn perfect that I find myself constantly arguing with myself about whether we’d be able to make it work for our small two people production company after all. Open Gate, BRAW, those frame rates, the fact that you can use the whole sensor without line skipping, the dynamic range of course and so on. I doubt that anything from Sony will come close to what Blackmagic did here-especially with that €25,000 Burano out there, which would instantly get cannibalized by the hypothetical FX9 camera with Open Gate I just described.
But who knows. And I doubt they will put X-OCN in that camera because of the Burano, but maybe they will allow external BRAW recording right off the bat.
Ok, rant over. Thanks, CVP!
Greetings from Bremen, Germany 🇩🇪
Fühle deine Nachricht, denke auch immer wieder über die Kamera nach. Aber sind wir mal ehrlich die 10-12.000€ die ihr hinlegt sind nicht so geil investiert. Deinen Kunden ist es komplett egal ob die Arbeit mit der FX3/FX6 oder diesem
Koffer erledigt wird. Es sieht auch am Ende keiner den Unterschied ;) Wir haben eine Ursa Mini Pro 4.6 K seit Jahren in der Tasche stehen seit dem es die Pocket 6K gibt. Und seit dem eine Panasonic S5 II X gibt, stehen die Pockets 6K‘s mehr rum. Am Ende nimmt man in einem kleinen Team doch immer das Werkzeug was schnell und easy zu bedienen ist. 😊 Beste Grüße aus Koblenz - Mark Edelmann
@ Stimme ich dir vollkommen zu - dem Kunden ist das in aller Regel ziemlich egal :D Das „Problem“ ist, dass wir eigentlich jetzt eine neue A-Cam bräuchten aber es fühlt sich einfach nicht so richtig an zu diesem Zeitpunkt noch in eine FX6 geschweige denn in eine FX9 zu investieren. Die FX6 ist natürlich immer noch eine sehr fähige Kamera aber die Codecs und der „alte“ Autofocus oder auch das Menü, der eingebaute Bildschirm, die fehlende Möglichkeit intern RAW aufzunehmen, die XLR-Anschlüsse auf dem Top Handle und auch die Auflösung fühlen sich schon etwas aus der Zeit gekommen an. Ich denke 6K ist der Sweetspot im Moment, jedenfalls für unsere Arbeit. Deswegen bin ich etwas ungeduldig mit Sony :D Grade mit der neuen Canon c400 und der c80.
Liebe Grüße,
Richard
With this new camera out I might be able to afford the BMPCC4K
that screen is massive
Just to confirm, there will be NO frame rate limitations for the CF Express module?
If not, I'm sure it will be handled like their current generation of cameras where if your media can support it it'll either drop frames or stop recording if the media can't handle the data rates.
you may need to stripe the data to 2 cards, but yes, it is capable of doing high framerate with just the CF express cards.
Sensor read out time is impressive. Who makes them for Blackmagic?
OH MY GOODNESS 3 MINS AGO IS CRAZY! 🙌🏾😩
I'm still on the FX3 train
Is there a hand grip unit that can do run/stop and menu adjustments?
I really wish other camera manufacturers would take a hard look at BM's UI design and implement something similar. Navigating the FX6's menu is just such a pain, same goes for all Japanese cameras really. They just refuse to do away with their ancient menu systems
Fx6 is getting a more Venice 2 like menu update at some point. Not that it’s that much better than it is now…
@@Lensgnome the problem is that it's next year, and it comes with the BRAW functionality as well... Not sure why they need a whole year for a firmware update. Sony is so slow to roll out anything.
@@thingsforotaku8082valid, not sure why Sonys taking such a long time, maybe to signal no new cinema cameras coming from them or to give the illusion of continued support. Their next line of cameras better be very competitive that’s for sure.
@ I just hope they stop removing features like choosing actual framerates depending on pal/ntsc. I still can't choose 60fps but I can do 30fps. It's so weird, the same thing happened on the FX3...
Ronin 4D UI is best I’ve used. Super fun camera.
With this camera you cannot record on external ssd like the Blackmagic cinema camera 6k full frame ?
I need this as an ursa mini or some new solo operator option.
Best value for money is hands down the Nikon Z8, that camera is a beast
No
On pure image quality I agree it is the best in it's price range.
I would be interested to see how these high end cameras handle astrophotography, this camera would be interesting for planetary due to it being more for video.
Do you think the ursa mini pro 12k will drop?
Yes give it a few years. It will drop, like my balls!
pls make the video about your guys new ursa cine setup on the new workflow!! its gonn be interesting one
Gear up and take my money!
Wait, ifs half rhe price of the bundle? I kimda thought the bundle would end up cheaper at slightly below 10k. But might have misread that number somehow.
If this is a price that BMD can afford - the 17K will be really exciting if it comes in a barebones variant.
1.6tb cfexpress = $750... the module is the way to go
My bundle was delivered exactly 1 day before the announcement 😞
Damn...that sucks.
Honestly still a great deal
"even if its just a 1TB card" 💀💀💀
Put the fries in the bag ARRI.
@CVPTV
cant you still record through usb c?
I’ve just had it confirmed by a Blackmagic tech that it’s not currently enabled. Jake
@ enabled, does that mean this is a feature that may come in the future? or am I asking to many questions. Wink Lol thanks for the response. this will effect my options. As I’m looking to buy a camera very soon.
It’s a vibe thing though lol, sadly. Great camera, but no one I know in my little corner of the industry wants a BlackMagic camera. But this will change eventually, I believe, but not right now
awesome camera... But it's huge.....
Oooh 12K resolution, I can't wait to find the oldest, softest vintage lens to put on it.
A few years ago, I was looking to make a big purchase that would last and give me the most value. I was considering 8k Black Magic. The old rabbi in B&H said: And what are you going to use this for? Scientific applications? Do you need to see a bullet in slow motion? Me: Not exactly. Rabbi: Then save your money. Buy something 4k and use the rest on lenses and other things. Nothing is going beyond 4k for quite some time. He was right. :)
pretty much. Most movies are 2K resolution and they're projected on huge screens. This 12k stuff is nonsense honestly.
So many film people acquiring overly expensive gear think it will make their films or cinematography better when it's actually just bad lighting.
The creator proved this by making a visual masterpiece on an FX3 which is half the price of this. They did use some expensive lenses, but you can get similar results without it.
Now only thing missing is “pro looking footage” , haven’t seen any yet
😂
I’d be perfect if new BM cameras could record on prores, Altough that BRAW is amazing.
The design language doesn't allow you to choose a camera this size in 2025.
Blackmagic is the Apple of the video world
2nd
To bad they can not get any competition because of the patents they have and therefore we never get affordable good cameras.
It’s seems that makes the bundle way overpriced….. by about $3kover getting the body + ALL accessories
Too big too heavy.
We really need to retire the phrase "punches above it's price point."
I miss the old Jake.
What do you mean?
@jakeratcliffe probably without facial hair 😂 Equally scrumptious either way, IMO
Please stop allowing the crappy IA generated voice over (or don't activate it by default I'm begging you)
Are you referring to translations?
@@CVPTVUnrelated, but I love how the default audio track says English (United States) lol
@ Yes. It defaults to it everytime (in French in my case) it sucks. I can't do any thing in my YT settings
@@Bast6 That's so weird... I heard about this from other users but I haven't experienced it myself since every OS I own are in English (being in a French zone myself).
I don't know if you can do anything about it as the uploader if it's like the AI summary below videos where you currently cannot remove it.
such an ugly design!!!
666