@@juarezbryan85 I felt it because I had a falling out with a friend in 2015. We haven't spoken at all and I still think about him. He was a groomsmen at my wedding, we met the first day of junior high. When you lose a friend but they're still around is a different kind of pain. I just wish I could talk to him sometimes, like Colin.
Yup. That one hurt quite a bit. Something I'm actively trying to remember, though, is that only one side is talking about this. Colin has been refreshingly candid about all these, especially in this episode, so it's much easier to empathize with Colin over time because of this. But it's clear that Greg is also hurt a great deal (if you watched Colin's last episode at KF, you could argue that Greg was more hurt than anyone in that moment). He's just probably dealing with it by pushing it aside and focusing on other things, whereas Colin would rather deal with it directly. I've done both. Most broken friendships or breakups I've had have been mitigated by direct communication, but I had a particularly painful breakup 6 years ago where I simply had to cut that person out entirely and sever all communication attempts. That's simply what was healthy for me at the time, and that might be what's healthy for Greg. Everybody is different. I hope with time this will hurt Colin less.
@@CRIMS0NF0X I know it is not for me to say, but you should talk to him, If you still think about your friend, he must mean a lot to you, do your part to look for him, just like Colin reached to Greg about the vita t-shirts, if your friend does not respond positively, he is to blame...
"A Conversation With Tim" My god that is the most funny thing I've ever heard. You could always tell Tim had some jealously for how close Colin and Greg were.
@@alonsoJ2002 That's coincidence. And even if it isn't, Tim does actually host/lead several shows so it could be a choice of formatting the order of frames. Don't get me wrong, assuming Colin's Tim stories are true (which I think they are), Tim's a dick, but no need to make mountains out of anthills. Remember that Tim back in 2015 was very young and very stupid. I doubt he'd say those things if he were his age now. He's said as much, like the Disney princess fuck topic they kicked things off with. The coarse things he said to Colin would be very in line with little Tim.
@@tezkhaos well this reminds me he also did cringe campaign where one of his friend proposed his girl in disneyland and tim started a twitter campaign to get that shi on ellen or something which back fired marvelously
Thank you Colin for being so open in this specific episode, I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say I loved hearing about your situation with Kinda Funny and what happened there.
Yup. I really think it had to do with Colin sort of "praising" Jaffe for being so open and honest. Then when Jaffe started asking questions about KFG, Colin had no choice but to match the openness and honesty he was praising.
Colin should be more open and honest about everything that went on. It’s not “back stabbing” or “throwing people under the bus”, it’s telling the truth. And we shouldn’t be ashamed of telling the truth.
This might legitimately be the best podcast episode I’ve listened to in years, and that’s probably half of the media I’ve consumed in that time. Thanks for this Colin, Jaffe, Dustin, Ben, and anyone else at Last Stand who made this possible.
@@thewirv LMAOOOO I don’t mean to slight Chris at all by not including him. I just assume he didn’t have anything to do with setting this particular podcast up or editing it, like I assume Dustin and/or Ben did. Lot of assumptions here though lol
The whole "best friends" mantra over at KF rings so hollow because of what happened to Colin. Apparently, being a "best friend" grants you zero support and good faith. It's actually astounding to me that they maintain that whole thing after what happened to Colin. You're supposed to believe that some people you've never met are your best friends but their real life best friends that they lived with for several years gets tossed under the bus? Right.
Their whole SJW woke culture schtick is all BS. To come down on Colin for things he has said, when in recent times, Nick, Andy, and even Greg have said WAY WORSE. They are bunch of fucking hypocrites riding PC culture.
100%. I was a Greg fan since I was in high school (early beyond days). I literally grew up listening to colin and Greg, and I always thought I liked Greg the most. Then when they so unceremoniously threw Colin to the wolves I could never see him the same. A month or so ago I finally just removed all the kindafunny feeds from my podcast fetcher and I don’t miss it at all. Not only has their analysis become hollow, but everything they preach about acceptance no longer means anything.
I’m so so so thankful for this. KF was so important to me throughout high school and most of college… until Colin left. I hope this was cathartic for Colin. It sure was for me.
Kinda funny was only important to me because of Greg and Colins chemistry together... When Colin left it only felt right to follow Colin ... Sacred symbols is the best PlayStation podcast imo , ps I love you is just not the same
Tim Getty's saying his version of conversation with Colin would be better is hilarious, that guy comes off as so phony, especially with all the fake hype
Without even knowing this information, everytime I would see a daily episode with Tim in it I would just exit before the first minute of the show. He brings literally zero value to the conversation. All his conversations are boring and vanilla. He’s just all about being famous and getting rich.
@@strife9878 he's just a San Francisco dude bro who wanted to become someone by setting up a new version of rooster teeth. I was never convinced he was an actual gamer either, which is fine but dont host a video game show
@@garthdude911 I definitely will! I've been meaning to subscribe for a while now, but this got me to finally do it. There are so many episodes of SS+ and DDU to binge now!
@@garthdude911 Yeah. I love the weekly show, but SS+ is, I think, the best content (as long as it isn't a single game discussion for a title I don't care for, which is fine!).
Catharsis. Thank you, Mr. Jaffe for being the honest interviewer that was needed. Thank you, Mr. Moriarty, for being so honest with your audience. For those of us-like myself-who’ve been watching your content since the days of Kinda Funny before you left IGN, this is a payoff worth more than a $5 Patreon sub.
@@fotuto13 - Tim is a desperate “famous TH-camr” wannabe. He obviously has his fame but it came from being associated with 2 other way more liked and famous internet personalities.
I remember seeing one video that for some happeared in my recommended tab about Colin saying that being a Trump supporter didn't make racist m, sexist, etc. and Tim's face while Colin was speaking said everything you needed to know about him.
I get where Colin is coming from. He wants to know if it meant anything. It's understandable. You build a friendship with someone for that long and you would think there is some form of loyalty there. You want to know if it meant anything to them or not. But to me as a third party, it sounds like it doesn't matter to Greg at all. It sounds like Greg checked out when Colin stopped being useful to him. And from my experience, that type of person ain't worth your time.
I listened to this on a flight and my mouth was agape almost the entire time. This is the podcast I have been waiting years for. Having followed Colin and Greg as reviewers before Beyond, having seen the entire trip, everything led up to this podcast. And it is in all aspects incredible. With probably more than a decade of context, hoping for the best for Colin and Greg the entire time, this is just insane. Beyond (Beyond) that relationship stuff, the political and religious and business talk in this is genuine and phenomenal. Jaffe, thank you. Colin, thank you.
Pretty shortly after your falling out with them I had a falling out with my best friends of 15 years. I’ve listened to this episode 4 times now and it makes me cry every single time. You talking about Greg perfectly encapsulates how I feel about my old friends.
I don’t agree with Colin on many topics, but man, I respect the fuck outta him. I didn’t know the extent of the fallout with Kinda Funny and even Beyond. IGN should be ashamed. That was truly fucked up. This was such an interesting, funny, genuine talk with Jaffe. Love both these dudes. 👏🏾🤓
My man, I’m in the same position. Colin will say some things, especially on Twitter that I just profoundly disagree with, BUT that’s so fucking OK. When did we get to a point where we just disregard, trash, and belittle people we don’t even really know just because of a difference in opinion? Especially when he’s not even being THAT CONTROVERSIAL. We all know there are people out there saying truly awful shit. Colin doesn’t even qualify. I’ve always felt Colin was a genuine dude, and all those personal attacks against him felt hollow to me, lacking any sort of substance. It all felt reactionary. It makes me so angry because it feels like it can happen to any one of us. Even a misunderstanding. Even just a brain fart can ruin relationships. It feels like there is no room to just have a genuine conversation about something serious, even if people disagree. I feel like I’m at a point almost where I just want to exclusively talk to people I don’t agree with, and you know what?arguing is ok. We got to stop being scared of having passionate conversations with people.
Hearing Colin pour his heart out about KF was genuinely heartbreaking, and I respect him for his honesty. And now, he’s not only moved past people who don’t deserve him...but also left them in the dust. SO happy for you and your success Colin!!!
Jaffe is INCREDIBLE! I feel so sad for Colin and how much this betrayal hurt him. I'm very surprised by Tim's attitude towards Colin, and even more surprised by Greg...Man. Colin's the man
Yeah, my heart breaks for him when he talks about that situation. I can feel the hurt through my computer monitor. I wasn't surprised at all to hear about Tim's comments/attitude though. I recently watched Colin's last GoG show at Kinda Funny, and Tim had the audacity to say that was the worst period of his life and that the joke "hurt" him. I didn't like him from the first moment I heard him speak.
1:03:30 is where the Colin, Greg, and Kinda Funny talk starts. It’s great to finally hear some more in depth talk about that topic. It kinda provides some closure for those of us who wondered what happened.
It’s hard to measure the value of someone’s intellect. Tim knew and still knows he can’t match up and it was actually him that didn’t belong and he coped with it by throwing Colin under the bus at any chance he could. Tim was a part of Kinda funny because he gained a lot from it while Colin was there through pure convenience and inside knew he didn’t need them which he has effortlessly proven with last stand media.
The worst part about this is you can tell that after living with his best friend for a decade, he can't tell the story you know he wants to, just clear the air, but it will incite drama. I feel so much for him you can tell that he made mistakes and he admits that here. He lost his best friend who he now thinks wasn't really his best friend after all. Just take a look at the KF subreddit, they say when Colin talks about this it sends a wave of hate to KF so don't do it, he wouldn't want it. But there is reason people keep asking about this situation. The worst thing KF could have done is stay quiet, they should have just put their cards on the table and let the chaos die down. Now they will get questions about this in perpetuity. I don't need the intimate details of these men’s lives but if you are Greg how can you let this destroy a friendship that lasted a decade, a man who helped you through cancer! Fuck business, you get very few people in this world that are ride or die, I don't know their relationship, but I bet Colin made mistakes and was partly to blame but you work through that for a man who would "Go to the mat" for you. At the end of the day the way he sees it was, colin jeopardised their livelihood, but honestly, they did that to themselves when they left their partner to the wolves. people saw it as morally incredulous and couldn't take them seriously. It’s not colins fault the business took a hit after his departure, just like it’s not their fault colin was constantly out-voted and wanted to take the business a different direction.
Loved it. A weekly, fortnightly or monthly show with you two would be awesome. Appreciate the openness in putting it up unedited. Not even because of the specific details, just because being that open to strangers and fans is a gift.
Looking back at Colins time with KF you can see how divided he and Greg's vision was. KF immediately turned into a bubble gum shop after Colin left. Happy to see things worked out for both parties. Even happier with what Colin has created.
Y'know I remember at some point Tim apologized for the old GameOverGreggy intro where he's in a bed with all the Disney princesses. They're all like 14/15/16 years old but that intro was there until just 2 years ago when they ended GOG and started the Kinda Funny podcast
This pissed me off so fucking much. Even before Colin left. Then the fact they kept it there after I couldn't understand it. Tim saying it's just a joke.....omg I just can't
Incredible interview so far. It's just so refreshing to hear two people who can disagree on things and not automatically paint the other as "evil". I'm certainly closer to Colin ideologically, but I respect and admire Jaffe's takes that I'm hearing.
This Sacred Symbols Episode ranks in the top 10 you have ever done Colin. Awesome job everyone, oh and Dustin thanks for getting everything set up. It was nice hearing you on The Jaffe stream the other night!
Thank you for opening up Colin, truly. As a fan of you, not the work, but the person, I sincerely felt compassion for your situation. Headstrong brother
His point about them being progressive and still doing well… I think he forgets to mention why they’re different. They don’t really bring up politics. Sometimes it’ll peer through (mostly from Ian), but unless it’s inseparable from the topic it really doesn’t come up much. Not even as jokes/jabs. They stick to their content and do it well. MinnMax is pretty similar in that case (although they’re new) and they do great work and get interviews most other people (even at big sites) aren’t getting. I find it disheartening when some bigger outlet like GameXplain covers interesting bits from their interviews and gets more attention than the original source. They can let everyone else do their work and profit off of it.
@@mrshmuga9 Easy Allies lost its own "Colin" when Kyle left. Not saying they're alike but they both were the ones with that special voice that kept things interesting and led to (gasp) conflict. EZA just feels boring now without Bossman.
1:21:08 What Jaffe is saying here about Gregg is surrounded by versions of Greg, is EXACTLY what I had said some years ago AND Gregg has even acknowledged he gets the comment regularly. IMO, this is especially evident in the movies in review because there is so little difference in opinions and it hurts the final product.
My ears perked up when I heard Jaffe say that some people would mention to him that "Colin is racist." I've met racist people in the video game industry before. Colin Moriarty is not one of them. It makes no sense.
That was some deep shit from Colin. The pain of the betrayal is already deep enough but no willingness from the other side to reconcile that relationship is just heartbreaking. I really hope somebody reminds Greg that life is too short to let such relationship go to waste.
This feels like the most authentic conversation I've heard in the games industry in a long time. Two people who don't agree on everything but willing to have tough conversations is incredibly needed in this space. I would love to see more of this!
It's crazy I used to think Greg was the emotionally open dude and that Colin was the more tight gripped moody guy -- crazy to see its completely the opposite especially after Jaffe's comments.
This is the collab Ive been waiting for. 2 intelligent people with interesting unique viewpoints. I really enjoyed this episode. Great rapport between these two. Praying for more of these two chopping it up about games next!
Thank you Colin for opening up and for letting us know what had happened over there. After hearing this it has really made me feel like one it confirmed what I had suspected and two made me not want to continue to support them over there and I won't. I hung on to them because of the old days and because of Greg but like Jaffee said it has been vanilla and it is not the same. Also for Tim to compare himself to you is crazy. We all know that is not the case. I am much happier here and I am glad your content is herefor this community to enjoy. Great conversation and podcast. Much love brother. We will always have your back.
David makes a very strong point about how beloved Colin is. Colin is one of the few gaming personalities I listen to. His wit, sincerity and humour make him one of the few people in gaming media today who legitimately loves what he does.
I love when people are real and will talk about "sensitive" topics. I'm glad I stumbled across this video. It made my day. As a Defining Duke fan I didn't really know much about the history of LSM or Colin but now I'm intrigued. Will definitely be listening to more content.
I started my video game podcast journey with Game Scoop!. After listening to a lot of their recent stuff I found Kinda Funny and liked it better so I decided to go back to their beginning and discovered Colin. After listening to all of the episodes with Colin I looked up why he left and instantly stopped watching/listening and found Colin's channel and podcast and have liked and followed ever since. Colin made that show and knew more than any of them. They did him dirty and Colin deserves everything he has earned and then some
I really don't get why people "ghost". If you need to cut someone out of your life for whatever the reason, just tell them why. I had to do this with a friend once who betrayed a mutual friend of ours (stole his girlfriend). I just told the guy why I didn't want to be friends with anymore, wished him well, and we ended it relatively amicably. I don't get why Greg doesn't tell Colin why he doesn't want to talk anymore.
This one of the best conversation's in Gaming I've ever heard. Thank you Colin for one of the best gaming podcast around. And David Gaffe you are a real one.
I want David to come on to the show more often, make him a guest host sometime Colin. Maybe on one of those days, when Sickly Chris is dying and cant make it on the show.
I'm preparing to have Jaffe on my show and watched this again. Such a great conversation. As interesting as it was back then, which speaks a lot about the topics and discussions that happened.
This was an excellent episode. I planned to eat my dinner while watching TV-as I always do. Instead, I couldn’t stop listening to this and watched it straight through. I grew a lot/even more respect for Jaffe in this. He’s a pretty awesome dude. Both him and Colin seem to be some of the most intelligent in the industry. Also, extremely interesting to finally hear more about the KF situation. I used to love Greg a ton, but over the last couple years I’ve slowly grown to realize how disingenuous he is-to the point where I pulled my Patreon support and rarely listen to any of KF’s stuff any longer. It became evident that Greg cares more about his reputation and looking virtuous than most everything else. I think he has some good qualities, but he also has a very fake and hypocritical side, and I have little respect for that. As for Nick? Man, I love that dude. And Andy actually puts up a good fight for my #1 favorite. And Blessing is really good as well. Anywho, Colin, you’re the man. Keep the awesome content coming. I’m a faithful Patreon supporter, and I can’t see a day where that changes.
This is probably still my fav episode of Sacred+. I’ve watched this 3 times over the last year or so. Jaffe’s my dude. (Wish he didn’t interrupt so much though lol) Can’t wait to see u 2 again. This is already the realest podcast around, and Jaffe just brought the realest of the real to it.
This is by far my favorite episode of sacred symbols plus. Please Colin do more interviews like this with other people open minded like David was here, absolutely spectacular episode.
I still like a couple of the guys at Kinda of Funny but it’s sad to see what it turned into. I feel like a lot of the cringey stuff I see has Tim’s fingerprints all over it. Dude always wanted to be rooster teeth light. The thumbnails they put up alone make my skin crawl. Looks like there trying to appeal to 12 year olds.
Colin, I know it must have been uncomfortable, but I just want to let you know that this was a necessary closure for me, and I thank you for that. I think I speak for a lot of people who just needed a few questions, an acknowledgment, a simple conversation, about what happened at Kinda Funny. What happened still sucks, and won't stop sucking in the future. You guys were years of our lives. But this was all that was needed personally for me to make peace, at least partially. I can finally put it all to rest. Things happen.
Wow great conversation! Thank you for inviting Jaffe. You both are my favorite people to listen to and I’m glad to be new to Sacred Symbols+. I’ve listened for years and am finally able to contribute! Thank you!
I tried to watch Kinda Funny after Colin left but it simply wasn't interesting anymore. Greg always needed Colin to balance him and that's what made their content great. It's what makes Sacred Symbols great because Chris fits in well with Colin and is actually, imo, funnier than Greg. I also couldn't stand to hear the "Best friend" mantra after Colin left. It just seemed so hollow and fake. It definitely was apparent in the content now, looking back, that the four of them had some sort of rift. The reason it's apparent is because Sacred Symbols does not have that issue. Colin, Chris, and Dustin feel more like a friend group than the KF crew ever did. It just sucks that Colin had to go through that because of the four of them, he's the most genuine person with Nick being a close 2nd.
I wouldn't watch a.conversation with Tim for a second. You already know what he would say about any topic. He is the most vanilla personality in gaming...
Eh. I feel like they serve different purposes. For example, I much prefer Last Stand's take on gaming. However, I enjoy Kinda Funny for their fun takes on films.
@@EpicFurious I agree on this. Obviously, I like Colin as a person more, but that doesn't mean I don't watch KF for its happy-go-lucky (and yes, superficial shallow content (often); sometimes shallow is cool). Last Stand Media is in-depth content that you have to digest, not as accessible tbh, but definitely richer in depth and meaning. I like both. What they did to him tho, shitty.
So glad to get some insight into what went on at KF. Always wondered why things went the way they did and how you were unfairly shut out. Thanks for the honesty Col.
A couple random takeaways: I hate to harp on this, but when Jaffe said Kinda Funny got "too vanilla", that just rung so true to me. I actually tried to listen to KF still after Colin left, and honestly for a little while it worked, and I honestly credit most of that to Andrea Rene. Like her or not, she actually did push back on Greg and the others' constant positivity and giddiness, she wasn't quite the anchor Colin was but she held things down pretty well in his absence. But now since she's gone, I just can't listen to them anymore. The Blessing kid seems like a really, really nice guy... but I just don't enjoy him as a host Ah well! To each their own. Also, I was very happy to hear Colin say he still considers Dave Rubin a friend. Weirdly, I was wondering if those two still liked each other, I just hadn't seen them interacting as much as they used to, and I know a lot of people unfortunately seemed to "sour" a bit on Dave (to each their own, I still like him and think he's mostly sincere in what he says). I'd love to see those two catch up on a show sometime.
@@juarezbryan85 Yeah, I can't say I'm like a big fan of hers per se, but she was the last person there that provided a counter-weight to Greg... As Jaffe eloquently pointed out, now KF is just Greg Miller and a bunch of people determined to be Greg Miller
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"Do you laugh about the things that we used to do? Is it important to you? "
Colin, that's some heavy shit. I feel it.
I ligit almost cried when Colin said that. It just hit so hard. I would come home from work and listen to them every day
@@juarezbryan85 I felt it because I had a falling out with a friend in 2015. We haven't spoken at all and I still think about him. He was a groomsmen at my wedding, we met the first day of junior high. When you lose a friend but they're still around is a different kind of pain. I just wish I could talk to him sometimes, like Colin.
This is what I think about some people that bridges have been burned for and by
Yup. That one hurt quite a bit.
Something I'm actively trying to remember, though, is that only one side is talking about this. Colin has been refreshingly candid about all these, especially in this episode, so it's much easier to empathize with Colin over time because of this. But it's clear that Greg is also hurt a great deal (if you watched Colin's last episode at KF, you could argue that Greg was more hurt than anyone in that moment). He's just probably dealing with it by pushing it aside and focusing on other things, whereas Colin would rather deal with it directly. I've done both. Most broken friendships or breakups I've had have been mitigated by direct communication, but I had a particularly painful breakup 6 years ago where I simply had to cut that person out entirely and sever all communication attempts. That's simply what was healthy for me at the time, and that might be what's healthy for Greg. Everybody is different.
I hope with time this will hurt Colin less.
@@CRIMS0NF0X I know it is not for me to say, but you should talk to him, If you still think about your friend, he must mean a lot to you, do your part to look for him, just like Colin reached to Greg about the vita t-shirts, if your friend does not respond positively, he is to blame...
"A Conversation With Tim" My god that is the most funny thing I've ever heard. You could always tell Tim had some jealously for how close Colin and Greg were.
I just checked out the KF channel and tim seems to be in the center in a lot of their videos and podcasts. guy might have ego issues
@@alonsoJ2002 reminds me of his whole "let tim host" shtick he used to do at ign back in the day
@@alonsoJ2002 That's coincidence. And even if it isn't, Tim does actually host/lead several shows so it could be a choice of formatting the order of frames.
Don't get me wrong, assuming Colin's Tim stories are true (which I think they are), Tim's a dick, but no need to make mountains out of anthills.
Remember that Tim back in 2015 was very young and very stupid. I doubt he'd say those things if he were his age now. He's said as much, like the Disney princess fuck topic they kicked things off with. The coarse things he said to Colin would be very in line with little Tim.
Tim ironically filled the role colin did as the straight man after he left. Kinda lacked the personality and insight behind that role though
@@tezkhaos well this reminds me he also did cringe campaign where one of his friend proposed his girl in disneyland and tim started a twitter campaign to get that shi on ellen or something which back fired marvelously
Thank you Colin for being so open in this specific episode, I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say I loved hearing about your situation with Kinda Funny and what happened there.
I’ve been waiting for Colin to open up about that.
Yea this really reminded me of some of the more personal episodes of fireside chats back in the day.
@@marcomaluf We all have, my dude.
Now that I know this gets into TH-cam drama I’m definitely listening to the whole thing. Lol
I feel like my 4 years of supporting Colin, has been leading to this moment🥳
Proud fellow Patron here. I feel the same. Hahaha.
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God David really became the Interviewer and made Colin the subject. I love this.
It's insane that Jaffe made Colin answer questions I wouldn't expect him to in a thousand years and he's the fucking guest lol
Jaffe got more out of Colin than Rogan did in two episodes lmao
Yup. I really think it had to do with Colin sort of "praising" Jaffe for being so open and honest. Then when Jaffe started asking questions about KFG, Colin had no choice but to match the openness and honesty he was praising.
Colin should be more open and honest about everything that went on. It’s not “back stabbing” or “throwing people under the bus”, it’s telling the truth. And we shouldn’t be ashamed of telling the truth.
@@colinstevens2462 I’m guessing because him and Jaffa are closer whereas he probably doesn’t have any kind of relationship with Rogan.
To be fair the guest turned into an interviewer.
This might legitimately be the best podcast episode I’ve listened to in years, and that’s probably half of the media I’ve consumed in that time. Thanks for this Colin, Jaffe, Dustin, Ben, and anyone else at Last Stand who made this possible.
lol, Chris is crying in a corner right now
@@thewirv LMAOOOO I don’t mean to slight Chris at all by not including him. I just assume he didn’t have anything to do with setting this particular podcast up or editing it, like I assume Dustin and/or Ben did. Lot of assumptions here though lol
@@thewirv gotta remember dustin is exec producer, chris probably only works on sacred symbols
not something you see every day. People having a conversation not always agreeing but still respectful.
That's how it should be, I can't imagine always agreeing 100% with anyone.
is this something similar to you and ghost robo? u guys used to collab all the time
Tim Gettys - "If it was called Sacred Timbols it would be just as popular"
this cracked me up lol
Excellent
He really said that?
Tim is the absolute worst
@@antonyrivera8318 no it's just a joke about another comment Tim made.
I love watching interviews with guests who not only disagree with Colin, but challenges him and has an intelligent conversation. This was great.
Me too. It generates the best discussion!
And He's so respectful and unoffended by it.
Completely kills the narrative gaming journalism heads want you to think about him.
Same!
@@ArkhamJacks I will say that Colin blocked me on Twitter for disagreeing with him.
Hearing Colin say he wants to ask Greg "Do you even care about me?" fucking hurt so much 🤦♂️😔
That was super painful
the look in Collins eyes when he's talking about greg and them. You can see the pain he still has. Head up man you are appreciated!
The whole "best friends" mantra over at KF rings so hollow because of what happened to Colin. Apparently, being a "best friend" grants you zero support and good faith. It's actually astounding to me that they maintain that whole thing after what happened to Colin. You're supposed to believe that some people you've never met are your best friends but their real life best friends that they lived with for several years gets tossed under the bus? Right.
Youre their "best friend" as long as you finiancially support them and dont disagree with them is how ive always taken it.
Spot on!
Their whole SJW woke culture schtick is all BS. To come down on Colin for things he has said, when in recent times, Nick, Andy, and even Greg have said WAY WORSE. They are bunch of fucking hypocrites riding PC culture.
A better point has never been made on this subject.
100%. I was a Greg fan since I was in high school (early beyond days). I literally grew up listening to colin and Greg, and I always thought I liked Greg the most. Then when they so unceremoniously threw Colin to the wolves I could never see him the same. A month or so ago I finally just removed all the kindafunny feeds from my podcast fetcher and I don’t miss it at all. Not only has their analysis become hollow, but everything they preach about acceptance no longer means anything.
Jesus, we need more Colin and Jaffe content. What an excellent combo!
Hearing all that stuff about Kinda Funny was just...so sad. I really hope Greg or someone close to him sees how you feel about this
Always liked Tim the least but now it’s more of a staunch dislike
I’m so so so thankful for this. KF was so important to me throughout high school and most of college… until Colin left. I hope this was cathartic for Colin. It sure was for me.
Kinda funny was only important to me because of Greg and Colins chemistry together... When Colin left it only felt right to follow Colin ... Sacred symbols is the best PlayStation podcast imo , ps I love you is just not the same
Tim Getty's saying his version of conversation with Colin would be better is hilarious, that guy comes off as so phony, especially with all the fake hype
Tim and his brother always were the worst part of KF.
Tim does not realize how shallow he is....
He’s honestly more phoney than Greg, and I thought Greg was already really phony.
Tim is about as insightful as a log
Without even knowing this information, everytime I would see a daily episode with Tim in it I would just exit before the first minute of the show. He brings literally zero value to the conversation. All his conversations are boring and vanilla. He’s just all about being famous and getting rich.
“A Conversation with Tim”... I needed a good laugh
Tim’s high as fuck if he really said that
Dude always looked like sleezy person to me.
A conversation with Tim seems like worse than solitary confinement
@@strife9878 he's just a San Francisco dude bro who wanted to become someone by setting up a new version of rooster teeth. I was never convinced he was an actual gamer either, which is fine but dont host a video game show
What's the time code for that?
I stopped being a freeloader for this one!
Scallywag! 😁
Welcome, friend! You have a WEALTH of incredible SS+ to go back to. Hope you stay!
@@garthdude911 I definitely will! I've been meaning to subscribe for a while now, but this got me to finally do it. There are so many episodes of SS+ and DDU to binge now!
@@MatthewNovak ah I remember when I first pledged lol what a great feeling
@@garthdude911 Yeah. I love the weekly show, but SS+ is, I think, the best content (as long as it isn't a single game discussion for a title I don't care for, which is fine!).
Catharsis. Thank you, Mr. Jaffe for being the honest interviewer that was needed. Thank you, Mr. Moriarty, for being so honest with your audience. For those of us-like myself-who’ve been watching your content since the days of Kinda Funny before you left IGN, this is a payoff worth more than a $5 Patreon sub.
God bless David Jaffe for asking him what we’ve all wanted to know.
We always knew about Tim and it’s a damn shame we were right.
He was always my least favorite, still is and I feel like the new guys are just "there".
@@fotuto13 - Tim is a desperate “famous TH-camr” wannabe. He obviously has his fame but it came from being associated with 2 other way more liked and famous internet personalities.
I love how half way through this turned into Jaffe interviewing Colin.
Tim being a snake was super obvious from the get go
Yea no one should be surprised by that at all
Tim was never able to get through even one comment without contradicting himself, he's always been an absolute buffoon.
how so?
@@systematik exactly. Tim is not on the same intellectual level as Colin. Better insight from high schoolers.
I remember seeing one video that for some happeared in my recommended tab about Colin saying that being a Trump supporter didn't make racist m, sexist, etc. and Tim's face while Colin was speaking said everything you needed to know about him.
I get where Colin is coming from. He wants to know if it meant anything. It's understandable. You build a friendship with someone for that long and you would think there is some form of loyalty there. You want to know if it meant anything to them or not. But to me as a third party, it sounds like it doesn't matter to Greg at all. It sounds like Greg checked out when Colin stopped being useful to him.
And from my experience, that type of person ain't worth your time.
I listened to this on a flight and my mouth was agape almost the entire time. This is the podcast I have been waiting years for. Having followed Colin and Greg as reviewers before Beyond, having seen the entire trip, everything led up to this podcast. And it is in all aspects incredible. With probably more than a decade of context, hoping for the best for Colin and Greg the entire time, this is just insane. Beyond (Beyond) that relationship stuff, the political and religious and business talk in this is genuine and phenomenal.
Jaffe, thank you.
Colin, thank you.
Pretty shortly after your falling out with them I had a falling out with my best friends of 15 years. I’ve listened to this episode 4 times now and it makes me cry every single time. You talking about Greg perfectly encapsulates how I feel about my old friends.
I don’t agree with Colin on many topics, but man, I respect the fuck outta him. I didn’t know the extent of the fallout with Kinda Funny and even Beyond. IGN should be ashamed. That was truly fucked up. This was such an interesting, funny, genuine talk with Jaffe. Love both these dudes. 👏🏾🤓
My man, I’m in the same position. Colin will say some things, especially on Twitter that I just profoundly disagree with, BUT that’s so fucking OK. When did we get to a point where we just disregard, trash, and belittle people we don’t even really know just because of a difference in opinion? Especially when he’s not even being THAT CONTROVERSIAL. We all know there are people out there saying truly awful shit. Colin doesn’t even qualify. I’ve always felt Colin was a genuine dude, and all those personal attacks against him felt hollow to me, lacking any sort of substance. It all felt reactionary. It makes me so angry because it feels like it can happen to any one of us. Even a misunderstanding. Even just a brain fart can ruin relationships. It feels like there is no room to just have a genuine conversation about something serious, even if people disagree. I feel like I’m at a point almost where I just want to exclusively talk to people I don’t agree with, and you know what?arguing is ok. We got to stop being scared of having passionate conversations with people.
Man, what a duo. Thank you to the both of you for making this happen. Can't wait to watch all of this.
Hearing Colin pour his heart out about KF was genuinely heartbreaking, and I respect him for his honesty.
And now, he’s not only moved past people who don’t deserve him...but also left them in the dust.
SO happy for you and your success Colin!!!
As someone who still enjoys KF and Last Stand lemme say this... NOBODY would have gave af about “A Conversation with Tim”
I was glued to the screen watching this.. captivating y’all
Same. I have so much crap to do tonight, just lost all motivation, put everything down about 20 minutes in, and just watched.
Jaffe is INCREDIBLE! I feel so sad for Colin and how much this betrayal hurt him. I'm very surprised by Tim's attitude towards Colin, and even more surprised by Greg...Man. Colin's the man
Tim was always a dick. Never liked that dude.
Yeah, my heart breaks for him when he talks about that situation. I can feel the hurt through my computer monitor. I wasn't surprised at all to hear about Tim's comments/attitude though. I recently watched Colin's last GoG show at Kinda Funny, and Tim had the audacity to say that was the worst period of his life and that the joke "hurt" him. I didn't like him from the first moment I heard him speak.
I can't believe I just found this but now I have my closure. I've loved Colin from the beyond days and still do now!
I remember Tim having crocodile tears the day Colin left and I was like gtfo of here bro lol
Yo so true I was watching that literally 3 wks ago
he said he was hurt by colin's tweet, what a doofus
1:03:30 is where the Colin, Greg, and Kinda Funny talk starts.
It’s great to finally hear some more in depth talk about that topic. It kinda provides some closure for those of us who wondered what happened.
It’s hard to measure the value of someone’s intellect. Tim knew and still knows he can’t match up and it was actually him that didn’t belong and he coped with it by throwing Colin under the bus at any chance he could. Tim was a part of Kinda funny because he gained a lot from it while Colin was there through pure convenience and inside knew he didn’t need them which he has effortlessly proven with last stand media.
Zero surprise to hear what Colin says about Tim.
Known about it from the beginning. Always sensed it in the beginning that Tim did not like Colin.
The worst part about this is you can tell that after living with his best friend for a decade, he can't tell the story you know he wants to, just clear the air, but it will incite drama. I feel so much for him you can tell that he made mistakes and he admits that here. He lost his best friend who he now thinks wasn't really his best friend after all.
Just take a look at the KF subreddit, they say when Colin talks about this it sends a wave of hate to KF so don't do it, he wouldn't want it. But there is reason people keep asking about this situation. The worst thing KF could have done is stay quiet, they should have just put their cards on the table and let the chaos die down. Now they will get questions about this in perpetuity.
I don't need the intimate details of these men’s lives but if you are Greg how can you let this destroy a friendship that lasted a decade, a man who helped you through cancer! Fuck business, you get very few people in this world that are ride or die, I don't know their relationship, but I bet Colin made mistakes and was partly to blame but you work through that for a man who would "Go to the mat" for you.
At the end of the day the way he sees it was, colin jeopardised their livelihood, but honestly, they did that to themselves when they left their partner to the wolves. people saw it as morally incredulous and couldn't take them seriously. It’s not colins fault the business took a hit after his departure, just like it’s not their fault colin was constantly out-voted and wanted to take the business a different direction.
Loved it. A weekly, fortnightly or monthly show with you two would be awesome. Appreciate the openness in putting it up unedited. Not even because of the specific details, just because being that open to strangers and fans is a gift.
Looking back at Colins time with KF you can see how divided he and Greg's vision was. KF immediately turned into a bubble gum shop after Colin left. Happy to see things worked out for both parties. Even happier with what Colin has created.
Y'know I remember at some point Tim apologized for the old GameOverGreggy intro where he's in a bed with all the Disney princesses. They're all like 14/15/16 years old but that intro was there until just 2 years ago when they ended GOG and started the Kinda Funny podcast
This pissed me off so fucking much. Even before Colin left. Then the fact they kept it there after I couldn't understand it. Tim saying it's just a joke.....omg I just can't
Are you from San Francisco?
Incredible interview so far. It's just so refreshing to hear two people who can disagree on things and not automatically paint the other as "evil". I'm certainly closer to Colin ideologically, but I respect and admire Jaffe's takes that I'm hearing.
This was a real journey. Jaffe and Colin really got into some deep shit, not gonna lie it was pretty moving
This Sacred Symbols Episode ranks in the top 10 you have ever done Colin. Awesome job everyone, oh and Dustin thanks for getting everything set up. It was nice hearing you on The Jaffe stream the other night!
Thank you for opening up Colin, truly.
As a fan of you, not the work, but the person, I sincerely felt compassion for your situation. Headstrong brother
Man, it sounds more and more that Greg was ALL business after all.
Don't let Tim host
This has easily been one of my favourite videos I've seen in a long time.
Fantastic content!
Real talk, I didn’t even know who Tim Gettys was until KF started 🤷🏾♂️ just sayin.
I remember the old IGN days and post IGN days with Colin and Greg. Great times... It'd be nice to see them together again.
One day.......when they are old and the waterman comes to collect
This is a highly excellent conversation. They barely talked about games and it's one of the most interesting things I've heard so far this year.
Collin you guys actually have 3k more patrons than easy allies
His point about them being progressive and still doing well… I think he forgets to mention why they’re different. They don’t really bring up politics. Sometimes it’ll peer through (mostly from Ian), but unless it’s inseparable from the topic it really doesn’t come up much. Not even as jokes/jabs. They stick to their content and do it well. MinnMax is pretty similar in that case (although they’re new) and they do great work and get interviews most other people (even at big sites) aren’t getting.
I find it disheartening when some bigger outlet like GameXplain covers interesting bits from their interviews and gets more attention than the original source. They can let everyone else do their work and profit off of it.
@@mrshmuga9 Easy Allies lost its own "Colin" when Kyle left. Not saying they're alike but they both were the ones with that special voice that kept things interesting and led to (gasp) conflict. EZA just feels boring now without Bossman.
I got really emotional here. KFG with Colin was a very big part of my gaming past.
1:21:08
What Jaffe is saying here about Gregg is surrounded by versions of Greg, is EXACTLY what I had said some years ago AND Gregg has even acknowledged he gets the comment regularly. IMO, this is especially evident in the movies in review because there is so little difference in opinions and it hurts the final product.
Great episode that finally gave closure to the KFxColin saga.
My ears perked up when I heard Jaffe say that some people would mention to him that "Colin is racist."
I've met racist people in the video game industry before. Colin Moriarty is not one of them. It makes no sense.
That was some deep shit from Colin.
The pain of the betrayal is already deep enough but no willingness from the other side to reconcile that relationship is just heartbreaking.
I really hope somebody reminds Greg that life is too short to let such relationship go to waste.
I wish one day someone loves me the way Jaffe loves Jaffe.
holy shit! thanks for releasing the episode for everyone.
This feels like the most authentic conversation I've heard in the games industry in a long time.
Two people who don't agree on everything but willing to have tough conversations is incredibly needed in this space.
I would love to see more of this!
Tim Gettys is the Brendan Schaub of video game commentary
Such a poignant comparison 😂
It's crazy I used to think Greg was the emotionally open dude and that Colin was the more tight gripped moody guy -- crazy to see its completely the opposite especially after Jaffe's comments.
1:03:23 Kinda Funny Talk
This is the collab Ive been waiting for. 2 intelligent people with interesting unique viewpoints. I really enjoyed this episode. Great rapport between these two. Praying for more of these two chopping it up about games next!
Thank you Colin for opening up and for letting us know what had happened over there. After hearing this it has really made me feel like one it confirmed what I had suspected and two made me not want to continue to support them over there and I won't. I hung on to them because of the old days and because of Greg but like Jaffee said it has been vanilla and it is not the same. Also for Tim to compare himself to you is crazy. We all know that is not the case. I am much happier here and I am glad your content is herefor this community to enjoy. Great conversation and podcast. Much love brother. We will always have your back.
David makes a very strong point about how beloved Colin is. Colin is one of the few gaming personalities I listen to. His wit, sincerity and humour make him one of the few people in gaming media today who legitimately loves what he does.
I love when people are real and will talk about "sensitive" topics. I'm glad I stumbled across this video. It made my day. As a Defining Duke fan I didn't really know much about the history of LSM or Colin but now I'm intrigued. Will definitely be listening to more content.
A conversation with Tim... 😂😂😂
There would be no conversation 🤣
I can see the stupid open mouth thumbnails now
Having a conversation with a plank would be more interesting.
I started my video game podcast journey with Game Scoop!. After listening to a lot of their recent stuff I found Kinda Funny and liked it better so I decided to go back to their beginning and discovered Colin. After listening to all of the episodes with Colin I looked up why he left and instantly stopped watching/listening and found Colin's channel and podcast and have liked and followed ever since. Colin made that show and knew more than any of them. They did him dirty and Colin deserves everything he has earned and then some
Welcome brother!
01:03:23 is when they start talking about KindaFunny. But the entire episode is a great listen
Thank you.
Jaffe has got to be one of the most under appreciated guys in the industry.
It's apparent from the earliest days of Kinda Funny that Tim did not like Colin and felt threatened by him.
I really don't get why people "ghost". If you need to cut someone out of your life for whatever the reason, just tell them why. I had to do this with a friend once who betrayed a mutual friend of ours (stole his girlfriend). I just told the guy why I didn't want to be friends with anymore, wished him well, and we ended it relatively amicably. I don't get why Greg doesn't tell Colin why he doesn't want to talk anymore.
A (short)Conversation with Tim
“Video games are >insert adjective
'i love it so much' when actually he just wants to change the subject pronto and does not love at all
I always felt like he never fully played the games. Dude is fake as hell.
This one of the best conversation's in Gaming I've ever heard. Thank you Colin for one of the best gaming podcast around. And David Gaffe you are a real one.
The day Colin left I stopped watching KFG. By far one of the greatest game media journalist of all time.
I want David to come on to the show more often, make him a guest host sometime Colin. Maybe on one of those days, when Sickly Chris is dying and cant make it on the show.
Absolutely agreed. Jaffe would be great to have on more often... in fact I think I'll go sub to his channel.
I'm preparing to have Jaffe on my show and watched this again. Such a great conversation. As interesting as it was back then, which speaks a lot about the topics and discussions that happened.
This was an excellent episode. I planned to eat my dinner while watching TV-as I always do. Instead, I couldn’t stop listening to this and watched it straight through.
I grew a lot/even more respect for Jaffe in this. He’s a pretty awesome dude. Both him and Colin seem to be some of the most intelligent in the industry.
Also, extremely interesting to finally hear more about the KF situation. I used to love Greg a ton, but over the last couple years I’ve slowly grown to realize how disingenuous he is-to the point where I pulled my Patreon support and rarely listen to any of KF’s stuff any longer. It became evident that Greg cares more about his reputation and looking virtuous than most everything else. I think he has some good qualities, but he also has a very fake and hypocritical side, and I have little respect for that. As for Nick? Man, I love that dude. And Andy actually puts up a good fight for my #1 favorite. And Blessing is really good as well.
Anywho, Colin, you’re the man. Keep the awesome content coming. I’m a faithful Patreon supporter, and I can’t see a day where that changes.
This is probably still my fav episode of Sacred+. I’ve watched this 3 times over the last year or so. Jaffe’s my dude. (Wish he didn’t interrupt so much though lol)
Can’t wait to see u 2 again. This is already the realest podcast around, and Jaffe just brought the realest of the real to it.
Greg: we want honest feedback.
*proceeds to block everyone with differing opinions*
This is by far my favorite episode of sacred symbols plus. Please Colin do more interviews like this with other people open minded like David was here, absolutely spectacular episode.
I still like a couple of the guys at Kinda of Funny but it’s sad to see what it turned into. I feel like a lot of the cringey stuff I see has Tim’s fingerprints all over it. Dude always wanted to be rooster teeth light. The thumbnails they put up alone make my skin crawl. Looks like there trying to appeal to 12 year olds.
Jaffe is fantastic. Took the reigns early and steered the discussion to some deep places. Some real revelations
Colin, I know it must have been uncomfortable, but I just want to let you know that this was a necessary closure for me, and I thank you for that. I think I speak for a lot of people who just needed a few questions, an acknowledgment, a simple conversation, about what happened at Kinda Funny. What happened still sucks, and won't stop sucking in the future. You guys were years of our lives. But this was all that was needed personally for me to make peace, at least partially. I can finally put it all to rest. Things happen.
I'm a long time last stand media follower and I finally signed up to the patreon for this... it was worth it.
53:47 and thats why i like Jaffe.
Wow great conversation! Thank you for inviting Jaffe. You both are my favorite people to listen to and I’m glad to be new to Sacred Symbols+. I’ve listened for years and am finally able to contribute! Thank you!
I tried to watch Kinda Funny after Colin left but it simply wasn't interesting anymore. Greg always needed Colin to balance him and that's what made their content great. It's what makes Sacred Symbols great because Chris fits in well with Colin and is actually, imo, funnier than Greg.
I also couldn't stand to hear the "Best friend" mantra after Colin left. It just seemed so hollow and fake. It definitely was apparent in the content now, looking back, that the four of them had some sort of rift. The reason it's apparent is because Sacred Symbols does not have that issue. Colin, Chris, and Dustin feel more like a friend group than the KF crew ever did.
It just sucks that Colin had to go through that because of the four of them, he's the most genuine person with Nick being a close 2nd.
Damn that’s very true about Greg Miller’s Lite. All the dudes there are basically the same.
Thanks for being so genuine no more scallywaging from me.
1:09:22
Heartbreaking. As someone who can relate to that it’s tough to listen to.
I wouldn't watch a.conversation with Tim for a second. You already know what he would say about any topic. He is the most vanilla personality in gaming...
Colin definitely won the war.
Last Stand Media blows Kinda Funny out of the water.
Their numbers are not good compared to their subscription numbers. Last stand media is doing just as good numbers and making much better content
Uuhh that's debatable.
Eh. I feel like they serve different purposes. For example, I much prefer Last Stand's take on gaming. However, I enjoy Kinda Funny for their fun takes on films.
@@Thunders6381 no it isn't
@@EpicFurious I agree on this. Obviously, I like Colin as a person more, but that doesn't mean I don't watch KF for its happy-go-lucky (and yes, superficial shallow content (often); sometimes shallow is cool). Last Stand Media is in-depth content that you have to digest, not as accessible tbh, but definitely richer in depth and meaning. I like both. What they did to him tho, shitty.
So glad to get some insight into what went on at KF. Always wondered why things went the way they did and how you were unfairly shut out. Thanks for the honesty Col.
I disagree with jaffe on a lot but I respect the hell out of him for just being real & not scared to have a conversation
A couple random takeaways:
I hate to harp on this, but when Jaffe said Kinda Funny got "too vanilla", that just rung so true to me. I actually tried to listen to KF still after Colin left, and honestly for a little while it worked, and I honestly credit most of that to Andrea Rene. Like her or not, she actually did push back on Greg and the others' constant positivity and giddiness, she wasn't quite the anchor Colin was but she held things down pretty well in his absence. But now since she's gone, I just can't listen to them anymore. The Blessing kid seems like a really, really nice guy... but I just don't enjoy him as a host Ah well! To each their own.
Also, I was very happy to hear Colin say he still considers Dave Rubin a friend. Weirdly, I was wondering if those two still liked each other, I just hadn't seen them interacting as much as they used to, and I know a lot of people unfortunately seemed to "sour" a bit on Dave (to each their own, I still like him and think he's mostly sincere in what he says). I'd love to see those two catch up on a show sometime.
Bro I just realized I stopped listening to kinda funny after Andrea left.
@@juarezbryan85 Yeah, I can't say I'm like a big fan of hers per se, but she was the last person there that provided a counter-weight to Greg... As Jaffe eloquently pointed out, now KF is just Greg Miller and a bunch of people determined to be Greg Miller
@@scoopskitheband it feels less like spare bedroom and more like Dude Perfect
This podcast was fucking outstanding
finally... after so many years I got my answer.