Anyone calling Antichrist an exercise in sexism or misogyny didn’t really understand the movie. Lars isn’t being sexist or misogynistic. He wrote a character that was a woman who happened to perceive women as being evil. He’s not making that an extension of himself, but he had to think that way in order to write the character. Women are not free from being villains or in this case their own worst enemy. This just the story the movie is telling.
I think it's telling how females have been oppressed. That he does that while still having the woman as the bad character, as you bring up, makes this mean even more. VAGUE SPOILER: the ghosts at the end make that point clear.
Masterpiece, interesting subject, beautiful details. Great, brave message. Especially nowadays. That's what I love about Lars, he is not afraid to push it further and look into the dark side of humanity in his movies. He truly deserves respect, because he's not afraid to speak his mind as an artist, or in this case, what many men all across the globe think but hesitate to say. And he or those men are not wrong, in my opinion.
@@kristinav.767 Yeah I saw that, two of them! TH-cam's been known to auto-delete some kind of comments, that shit is plain wrong. We can't even debate with each other wth è_è Could you try one last time just to be sure?
@@kristinav.767 Hey I gave some thought about all you said, could read a bit of what you wrote in my feed. First things first, I don't think Von Trier wanted to show women as evil, but rather that (some) women integrated the concept that they're evil because that's what they've been told again and again and again all their lives. I also think he's full of shit regarding that subject, and that women weren't told *they* specifically were anymore evil than men. This phenomenon touched both sexes throughout history and springs from the Christian foundation of our civilization (original sin, life built on the guilt to repress and a redemption to earn, yadda yadda). Since then we've killed God but kept holdovers from this faith. And not the best ones sadly, far from that. We kept those who progressively made our society weaker, resentful against what is strong, what is great, what is powerful, enamoured with the victim, the minority, the underdog, everything that is small, base, whining and crying its way to power. Now we cast down statues of heroes and men who built the world we live in today, but glorify a he who calls himself a she while looking like neither. Sexes don't mean shit anymore, the social supersedes the biological, the individual supersedes the whole, the wish supersedes the real. It's all fucked downside up. And women are at the center of this storm, you're right about that, but they're not the cause of it! And they're not evil come on! The ones you talk about, self-centered, hateful of men, they've just gone astray. They believe they fight for what's right, against the right enemy, they think we are the oppressor and they've got some kind of social justice to uphold (which is nothing more than slave morality and aching for vengeance for fantasized wrongs we've done them). They just forgot their role. Men are the protectors and women the caretakers, we are to walk hand in hand, supporting each other against the brutality of the world, not one against the other in that stupid war of the sexes. But they'll remember that sooner or later, or they'll be left and forgotten on the side of the road. Cause that's how it works with reality, it marches on with or without us. But please don't think of yourself as evil. I've met as many bitches as wonderful girls in my life. And we men are the same, both the best and the worst. It depends on individuals, not a whole sex!
Everything is a metaphor; The film is not about women being evil but about what grief does to a solid, happy couple: . the man tries to not show any weakness but slowly goes crazy until destruction (here, murder), he's a know-it-all, wants to move on too fast thus does not respect his wife's pain, . while the woman feels guilty (thus, is convinced she's evil like witches were considered the evil of all things), hurts herself (excision scene, which is also a metaphor), hurts her husband (here, physically & sexually). Listen to what Lars says. :) The film is a masterpiece to me in the sense that it is not only about grief, but about human nature and how men & women act towards grief (maybe pain in general), and how we could benefit from doing things differently, both sexes. Witches history is, after all, about men & society in general not understanding alternative wisdoms (healing, science, ...) when coming out of a woman's mind.
It's weird because from the movie, if you pay attention a bit deeper and not just on the surface "she's horrible witchbitch" it seems like her husband is portrayed as much worse villain than her. Firstly, he doesn't have emotions after his son's death, seems cold and unbothered, and any normal father would experience something after such thing. Meanwhile she gets totally sick and insane from the pain of loosing her son + she felt intense guilt for child's death. Secondly, the husband is supposed to be a psychotherapist, but he goes against suggestions of doctors in the hospital, drags her away from medical institution and comes to a "brilliant" idea of getting her into the forest, which is her worst phobia and nightmare. Then she (logically, I mean wouldn't in such curcumstances) gets completely insane/psychotic there and eventually becomes dangerous and violent, but it could be easily prevented by him simply not dragging her into the creepy forest in her such unstable & vulnerable condition. Which is obvious to everybody, not to mention an educated psychotherapist he's supposed to be in the movie. Then, after she calms down a bit (after trying to kill him), she gets a little bit reasonable and gives up on murder because the psychotic wave have passed a bit now. And then he, who is not in insanity, but still conscious and aware od the situation, chooses to strangle her to death even tho he didn't have to, because she calmed down and wasn't trying to fight anymore. There was a possibility for calling police or making her get away from the forest so they both become safe. So in the end: she is portrayed as just crazy mental disorder patient, while he is portrayed as cold psychopath.
the whole discussion of who is evil is solved immediately when it is so that women are like nature, (instinctive and unwilling to think "rationally"), because nature is the supreme law of the world. you cannot blame nature for its rainfall, earthquakes, pain it causes. but i am also inclined to believe that if there was no nature, there would be no pain to begin with. to me, femininity is common. and the only thing that makes it evil is the existence of man, and vise versa.
Satanism teaches you valuable information mostly about self confidence , your tiny brain can't comprehend it you fear everything you don't understand exactly like a male 😂
Anyone calling Antichrist an exercise in sexism or misogyny didn’t really understand the movie. Lars isn’t being sexist or misogynistic. He wrote a character that was a woman who happened to perceive women as being evil. He’s not making that an extension of himself, but he had to think that way in order to write the character. Women are not free from being villains or in this case their own worst enemy. This just the story the movie is telling.
I think it's telling how females have been oppressed. That he does that while still having the woman as the bad character, as you bring up, makes this mean even more. VAGUE SPOILER: the ghosts at the end make that point clear.
1:30 that fade out is so bizarre, but I like it
Masterpiece, interesting subject, beautiful details. Great, brave message. Especially nowadays. That's what I love about Lars, he is not afraid to push it further and look into the dark side of humanity in his movies. He truly deserves respect, because he's not afraid to speak his mind as an artist, or in this case, what many men all across the globe think but hesitate to say. And he or those men are not wrong, in my opinion.
Not sure I catch your drift, men are not wrong about what?
@@MEUAR about female nature being immoral. In the west it's an obvious issue. I tried to answer more but comment keeps being deleted.
@@kristinav.767 Yeah I saw that, two of them! TH-cam's been known to auto-delete some kind of comments, that shit is plain wrong. We can't even debate with each other wth è_è Could you try one last time just to be sure?
@@kristinav.767 Hey I gave some thought about all you said, could read a bit of what you wrote in my feed. First things first, I don't think Von Trier wanted to show women as evil, but rather that (some) women integrated the concept that they're evil because that's what they've been told again and again and again all their lives. I also think he's full of shit regarding that subject, and that women weren't told *they* specifically were anymore evil than men. This phenomenon touched both sexes throughout history and springs from the Christian foundation of our civilization (original sin, life built on the guilt to repress and a redemption to earn, yadda yadda). Since then we've killed God but kept holdovers from this faith. And not the best ones sadly, far from that. We kept those who progressively made our society weaker, resentful against what is strong, what is great, what is powerful, enamoured with the victim, the minority, the underdog, everything that is small, base, whining and crying its way to power. Now we cast down statues of heroes and men who built the world we live in today, but glorify a he who calls himself a she while looking like neither. Sexes don't mean shit anymore, the social supersedes the biological, the individual supersedes the whole, the wish supersedes the real. It's all fucked downside up.
And women are at the center of this storm, you're right about that, but they're not the cause of it! And they're not evil come on! The ones you talk about, self-centered, hateful of men, they've just gone astray. They believe they fight for what's right, against the right enemy, they think we are the oppressor and they've got some kind of social justice to uphold (which is nothing more than slave morality and aching for vengeance for fantasized wrongs we've done them). They just forgot their role. Men are the protectors and women the caretakers, we are to walk hand in hand, supporting each other against the brutality of the world, not one against the other in that stupid war of the sexes. But they'll remember that sooner or later, or they'll be left and forgotten on the side of the road. Cause that's how it works with reality, it marches on with or without us.
But please don't think of yourself as evil. I've met as many bitches as wonderful girls in my life. And we men are the same, both the best and the worst. It depends on individuals, not a whole sex!
Everything is a metaphor;
The film is not about women being evil but about what grief does to a solid, happy couple:
. the man tries to not show any weakness but slowly goes crazy until destruction (here, murder), he's a know-it-all, wants to move on too fast thus does not respect his wife's pain,
. while the woman feels guilty (thus, is convinced she's evil like witches were considered the evil of all things), hurts herself (excision scene, which is also a metaphor), hurts her husband (here, physically & sexually).
Listen to what Lars says. :)
The film is a masterpiece to me in the sense that it is not only about grief, but about human nature and how men & women act towards grief (maybe pain in general), and how we could benefit from doing things differently, both sexes.
Witches history is, after all, about men & society in general not understanding alternative wisdoms (healing, science, ...) when coming out of a woman's mind.
Thank you for the upload :)
That's what the Gainsbourg woman said.
It's weird because from the movie, if you pay attention a bit deeper and not just on the surface "she's horrible witchbitch" it seems like her husband is portrayed as much worse villain than her. Firstly, he doesn't have emotions after his son's death, seems cold and unbothered, and any normal father would experience something after such thing. Meanwhile she gets totally sick and insane from the pain of loosing her son + she felt intense guilt for child's death. Secondly, the husband is supposed to be a psychotherapist, but he goes against suggestions of doctors in the hospital, drags her away from medical institution and comes to a "brilliant" idea of getting her into the forest, which is her worst phobia and nightmare. Then she (logically, I mean wouldn't in such curcumstances) gets completely insane/psychotic there and eventually becomes dangerous and violent, but it could be easily prevented by him simply not dragging her into the creepy forest in her such unstable & vulnerable condition. Which is obvious to everybody, not to mention an educated psychotherapist he's supposed to be in the movie. Then, after she calms down a bit (after trying to kill him), she gets a little bit reasonable and gives up on murder because the psychotic wave have passed a bit now. And then he, who is not in insanity, but still conscious and aware od the situation, chooses to strangle her to death even tho he didn't have to, because she calmed down and wasn't trying to fight anymore. There was a possibility for calling police or making her get away from the forest so they both become safe. So in the end: she is portrayed as just crazy mental disorder patient, while he is portrayed as cold psychopath.
You understood the movie. It's a polemic against misogyny.
the whole discussion of who is evil is solved immediately when it is so that women are like nature, (instinctive and unwilling to think "rationally"), because nature is the supreme law of the world. you cannot blame nature for its rainfall, earthquakes, pain it causes. but i am also inclined to believe that if there was no nature, there would be no pain to begin with. to me, femininity is common. and the only thing that makes it evil is the existence of man, and vise versa.
appeal to analogy? your fallacies are showing
@@hazardousjazzgasm129truth hurts
@@vanlifebae not an argument, cope and mald
Not ridiculous.
Here’s a challenge, watch The VVitch, Antichrist, and Mandy. Tell me that results.
I cut my dick off, and I was not even born male
Here's a challenge: watch a srpski film more then once
I saw them all before I read your comment, but I don't see the exact connections. (Other than the fact that they are artsy/gory)
Antichrist is hands down the most disturbing
"Man, this acid is LEGIT!"
I agree. Actually feminism is more near satanism. Ancient matriarchy was cruel with human sacrifice
"Feminist is near satanism?" Lmao. So women who want equality are evil? Lmao again. You came from a woman's body you piece of shit, show some respect.
Satanism teaches you valuable information mostly about self confidence , your tiny brain can't comprehend it you fear everything you don't understand exactly like a male 😂
.. Meh