Great video bro. Got mine converted to the 865 a year ago and never been a better garage project. Awesome performance and torque spectrum. Feels more beefy at mid RPMs and engine runs smoothly too. Great work by the S&S Team for such a great noteworthy upgrade to the RE Twins.
With an 865 kit, stage 2 kent cam, Hitchcocks headers, S&S cans, free flow filter and power commander 6, I have 69.21 hp and 59.53 ft/lbs of torque , set up on the dyno by PDQ in Taplow, Berkshire, UK.
@@SvenTviking Different Dyno's are different that's why there's different stats HIS bike on the same Dyno as yours may give his bike more Hp & was it measured at crank or wheels. Also do you have any head work or cogs done? Reverlry only get 70hp at the wheels & that's with big valve CNC head for street & 75-76RwHp for race applications.Hitchcocks get 59-60hp at the wheels with just the 865 kit with headers,cam,Power commander.Haven't heard of the Kent cam that also will increase HP some which might explain high Dyno stats as well will have to take a look.
After watching all your videos, I came to the conclusion that for me it's only worth upgrading to 865 when I need to rebuild the engine, for now my bike has 41 thousand kilometers, so I think it will take a while. Your videos are very informative about the upgrade. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
Hi @@BobKramer51 , I did this because I'm having great fun wrenching, it's very exciting and rewarding when you successfully complete a job like this and you learn a ton of new stuff while doing it. Of course I love the extra power and torque but ultimately it's not that I wanted only an 865, I wanted to do it myself for all the above reasons. So in my case I would say: "conversion needed". I hope this answers your question and thank you for watching!
I know the pain of this job. Good job getting it done! I actually looked at your part 1 video before I made my video, while I was doing research. I was wondering if you would ever make a part 2. I know that 58 hp is probably a tad disappointing based on what is advertised for this set of upgrades. I'm not plugging my channel, but I am going to release a video with my dyno results in a few days. I'm going to explain how I got my numbers quite a bit higher than that for not much more money. You are going to want to see it since you already made the investment you have.
To be honest I was expecting a bit more than 60hp but I can't say I'm disappointed. The bike is really transformed. I will certainly check your video, thanks!
@@ksmotoshed7961 have got to comment on the stated 58.1 hp. If that is dyno (rear wheel) output it is not a disappointment. I own two 865cc Triumphs that are 67 and 68 horsepower by factory specifications. A test ten years ago showed my Bonneville SE to have 58.6 hp at 7,400 rpm; both the Bonnie and Thruxton are DOHC and fuel injected, compression is similar. Your 863cc Enfield is mid-60's hp...
@@frederickwoods5943 I agree and I was never disappointed. I think that dyno numbers are not absolute values and there are many factors affecting the result. I believe that the best use is to compare before and after readings from the same dyno and see what you have in terms of relative performance. Thanks again for sharing your experience!
@@ksmotoshed7961 that is sound reasoning, use the same type and method for testing then compare the results. I use gauges for oil temperature and cylinder head temperature on my bikes, never argue or question accuracy because they are for monitoring changes as work is done on the bikes.
RE 650's tourqe delivery starts so low in the rev range 80% at about 2200rpm as other bikes it's over 3-4000rpm.That is why it's fun to ride & with big bore kit,while the numbers are low it's the tourqe delivery of the R.E that in the real world punches way above it's weight with bikes with much higher numbers.
Congratulations! I have an almost identical setup: TEC Stinger, DNA filter, S&S cam and 865 kit. I put 300 miles on it without a piggyback unit then drained the break-in oil and adjusted the valve clearances. I’m getting the ECU flashed this week (he does each cylinder independently) then dyno-tuned. I’ll get back to you with the results. Dyno numbers can vary depending on several variables but a friend of mine did the high compression pistons with the Hitchcock’s camshaft (he also polished the ports and combustion chambers) then had it flashed and dyno-tuned and got 60HP. The PCV is pretty crude compared to having the ECU flashed by someone who knows what he’s doing (no ignition timing, for example) so I’m anxious to find out how much those numbers had to do with the polishing and the racier camshaft or if it was mainly due to tweaking the ECU. I’m keeping my fingers crossed because I’m only doing this once. Anyway, always appreciate your content.
Thank you! I'd love to see your results. To be honest I was expecting a bit more than 60, but when I ride I forget about the numbers, the bike just feels great! I was thinking at some point to try Powertronic which has ignition timing or flashing the ECU, we'll see! Thanks again and enjoy the 865!
Powertronic sold by Reverlry Cycles in Sydney Australia have rev extender & can only be got from them.Also they do throttle bodies & big valve heads but is very expensive but the bigger throttle bodies will give more HP & be over 60hp 64-65hp & with the big valve head 70hp is possible at a price. 58hp & 73Nm is marvelous on this bike cause the way it makes it power & tourqe delivery makes it seem like a lot more.
@@ksmotoshed7961 I'm not actually picking up the bike till Tuesday but I got the dyno chart last night. I didn't achieve a lot more maximum horsepower than you did get a big leap in midrange torqe and an excellent curve. All in all I'm very happy but won't know for sure till I ride the bike. Is there a way for me to send you the chart?
@@craigcoen183 I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike. If you don't go for hitting the rev limiter frequently then the midrange torque is all you need to have fun in my opinion. Please let me know when you get the bike. There is my email in the "About" section on my channel if you wanna send me the chart. Thanks very much I appreciate it!
If you have a Royal Enfield Classic 350 then you should try combining the two engines and you should work on this project I think. And where did you learn this skill?
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I haven't done any measurements but there is no sign of extra heat from the engine. Feels exactly the same to me.
It is an expensive mod and I'm sure for many people isn't worth it. I decided to do it mostly because I wanted to do it myself and learn as much as I could during the process and secondly for the performance gain. After 3000km I can tell you that I haven't regretted it and I take great pleasure riding and from the fact that I managed to complete the job successfully . In the next episode I'll do a ride review and a total cost which honestly I haven't yet calculated exactly, I avoid it because probably I'll weep😪.
Hi, both results are on the wheel and the 46 is not entirely stock. I list the mods for both runs at 1:30, check it out and if you have any more questions let me know. Thanks for watching!
You got me! This is some older footage, I still use the enduro low. In the next episode, which I'm preparing, you'll see some new 865 footage, ride review and impressions! Thank you so much for your comment, I appreciate it and it gives me motivation to do more videos!!
Hi, the cylinder barrels must be machined so they can accept the 865 kit, this one : www.sscycle.com/products/865cc-big-bore-kit-for-royal-enfield-650-twins/ But there is this option, which I used, where the above kit comes already fitted in pair of new cylinder barrels : accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/44214?cont_page=information-and-services/Royal-Enfield-Interceptor-650-Accessories&cata=493665&catb=b&catc=c&catd=d Thanks for watching!
@@ksmotoshed7961 I have managed to get my 650 to 49Hp at the wheel, and 53 Nm Torque. ECU from Race Dynamics, Full system exhaust, derestricted plates for AF, DNA filters, and a AFR correction unit called Fuel X. 58/73 is is great. Would love to experience 73Nm Torque on my Motorcycle. Should be a joy to ride.
Not sure, I hit 170kph once easily but I had to slow down. It felt like it could hit the limiter but I can't really tell. I'm not a fan of high speeds anyway, I enjoy the acceleration more and I cruise at around 120-130kph.
that feeling when you get to start her up for the first time and she runs perfect is magic :P
Great video bro. Got mine converted to the 865 a year ago and never been a better garage project. Awesome performance and torque spectrum. Feels more beefy at mid RPMs and engine runs smoothly too. Great work by the S&S Team for such a great noteworthy upgrade to the RE Twins.
Thank you! I’m glad you are enjoying your 865!
58hp & 73Nm is really good improvement.The R.E 650 motor has great tourqe delivery so can imagine this upgrade will be fantastic.
Yes, you can feel the torque right away. The bike pulls like crazy compared to stock! Thanks for your comment!
@@ksmotoshed7961 hey man. Mind if i ask what your fuel economy is while riding mildly shifting on or before 3000rpms?
With an 865 kit, stage 2 kent cam, Hitchcocks headers, S&S cans, free flow filter and power commander 6, I have 69.21 hp and 59.53 ft/lbs of torque , set up on the dyno by PDQ in Taplow, Berkshire, UK.
@@SvenTviking Different Dyno's are different that's why there's different stats HIS bike on the same Dyno as yours may give his bike more Hp & was it measured at crank or wheels.
Also do you have any head work or cogs done?
Reverlry only get 70hp at the wheels & that's with big valve CNC head for street & 75-76RwHp for race applications.Hitchcocks get 59-60hp at the wheels with just the 865 kit with headers,cam,Power commander.Haven't heard of the Kent cam that also will increase
HP some which might explain high Dyno stats as well will have to take a look.
@@SvenTviking Impressive!
After watching all your videos, I came to the conclusion that for me it's only worth upgrading to 865 when I need to rebuild the engine, for now my bike has 41 thousand kilometers, so I think it will take a while.
Your videos are very informative about the upgrade. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.
It sounds like a very sensible plan! I'm glad that I could be of help, thank you for your kind words!
Awesome and inspirational ! Well done on your installation !
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
I intend on buying a meteor 650. After I pay it off and insurance cost ill go to the 865 upgrade! Best video to date!
Thank you!! A super meteor 650 will be very interesting! I hope you get it soon! Maybe you should call it Hyper meteor 865 when you do the upgrade!
Just curious, if you want an 865, why don't you buy a Triumph instead? No conversion needed
Hi @@BobKramer51 , I did this because I'm having great fun wrenching, it's very exciting and rewarding when you successfully complete a job like this and you learn a ton of new stuff while doing it. Of course I love the extra power and torque but ultimately it's not that I wanted only an 865, I wanted to do it myself for all the above reasons. So in my case I would say: "conversion needed". I hope this answers your question and thank you for watching!
Well I waited a long time for this video...Well done my friend. Awesome job!
Look forward to more video's.
Ride safe
Thank you so much! I appreciate it. I'll do my best to keep them coming!
I know the pain of this job. Good job getting it done! I actually looked at your part 1 video before I made my video, while I was doing research. I was wondering if you would ever make a part 2. I know that 58 hp is probably a tad disappointing based on what is advertised for this set of upgrades. I'm not plugging my channel, but I am going to release a video with my dyno results in a few days. I'm going to explain how I got my numbers quite a bit higher than that for not much more money. You are going to want to see it since you already made the investment you have.
To be honest I was expecting a bit more than 60hp but I can't say I'm disappointed. The bike is really transformed. I will certainly check your video, thanks!
@@ksmotoshed7961 have got to comment on the stated 58.1 hp. If that is dyno (rear wheel) output it is not a disappointment. I own two 865cc Triumphs that are 67 and 68 horsepower by factory specifications. A test ten years ago showed my Bonneville SE to have 58.6 hp at 7,400 rpm; both the Bonnie and Thruxton are DOHC and fuel injected, compression is similar.
Your 863cc Enfield is mid-60's hp...
@@frederickwoods5943 I agree and I was never disappointed. I think that dyno numbers are not absolute values and there are many factors affecting the result. I believe that the best use is to compare before and after readings from the same dyno and see what you have in terms of relative performance. Thanks again for sharing your experience!
@@ksmotoshed7961 that is sound reasoning, use the same type and method for testing then compare the results. I use gauges for oil temperature and cylinder head temperature on my bikes, never argue or question accuracy because they are for monitoring changes as work is done on the bikes.
RE 650's tourqe delivery starts so low in the rev range 80% at about 2200rpm as other bikes it's over 3-4000rpm.That is why it's fun to ride & with big bore kit,while the numbers are low it's the tourqe delivery of the R.E that in the real world punches way above it's weight with bikes with much higher numbers.
My new INT 650 has 14 miles on it now I want a big bore kit and new cam!
Great video mate,
Thank you!!
Congratulations! I have an almost identical setup: TEC Stinger, DNA filter, S&S cam and 865 kit. I put 300 miles on it without a piggyback unit then drained the break-in oil and adjusted the valve clearances. I’m getting the ECU flashed this week (he does each cylinder independently) then dyno-tuned. I’ll get back to you with the results. Dyno numbers can vary depending on several variables but a friend of mine did the high compression pistons with the Hitchcock’s camshaft (he also polished the ports and combustion chambers) then had it flashed and dyno-tuned and got 60HP. The PCV is pretty crude compared to having the ECU flashed by someone who knows what he’s doing (no ignition timing, for example) so I’m anxious to find out how much those numbers had to do with the polishing and the racier camshaft or if it was mainly due to tweaking the ECU. I’m keeping my fingers crossed because I’m only doing this once. Anyway, always appreciate your content.
Thank you! I'd love to see your results. To be honest I was expecting a bit more than 60, but when I ride I forget about the numbers, the bike just feels great! I was thinking at some point to try Powertronic which has ignition timing or flashing the ECU, we'll see! Thanks again and enjoy the 865!
Powertronic sold by Reverlry Cycles in Sydney Australia have rev extender & can only be got from them.Also they do throttle bodies & big valve heads but is very expensive but the bigger throttle bodies will give more HP & be over 60hp 64-65hp & with the big valve head 70hp is possible at a price.
58hp & 73Nm is marvelous on this bike cause the way it makes it power & tourqe delivery makes it seem like a lot more.
@@ksmotoshed7961 I'm not actually picking up the bike till Tuesday but I got the dyno chart last night. I didn't achieve a lot more maximum horsepower than you did get a big leap in midrange torqe and an excellent curve. All in all I'm very happy but won't know for sure till I ride the bike. Is there a way for me to send you the chart?
@@craigcoen183 I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike. If you don't go for hitting the rev limiter frequently then the midrange torque is all you need to have fun in my opinion. Please let me know when you get the bike. There is my email in the "About" section on my channel if you wanna send me the chart. Thanks very much I appreciate it!
Have you published your dyno figures post ecu flashing? I'd be interested to see the results.... cheers
If you have a Royal Enfield Classic 350 then you should try combining the two engines and you should work on this project I think. And where did you learn this skill?
U mentioned weighing the 865 pistons vs stock, didn’t see that part in any of the videos. Do u remember the weights? Thanks!
Hi, check out this video for the weights
th-cam.com/video/9RCOrzCgQNY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JXj4INwZ1pfXzNHm
Thanks for watching!
great content! thanks for sharing :) can you give a feedback on how hotter the engine runs after the conversion?
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I haven't done any measurements but there is no sign of extra heat from the engine. Feels exactly the same to me.
What's the cost of it all? Surely this brings the cost up to the same as a low mileage 2nd hand Thruxton R?
It is an expensive mod and I'm sure for many people isn't worth it. I decided to do it mostly because I wanted to do it myself and learn as much as I could during the process and secondly for the performance gain. After 3000km I can tell you that I haven't regretted it and I take great pleasure riding and from the fact that I managed to complete the job successfully . In the next episode I'll do a ride review and a total cost which honestly I haven't yet calculated exactly, I avoid it because probably I'll weep😪.
but the 46hp stock is on the motor or the wheel? because the 58 of the kit is on the wheel right?
Hi, both results are on the wheel and the 46 is not entirely stock. I list the mods for both runs at 1:30, check it out and if you have any more questions let me know. Thanks for watching!
Thank you😊 for posting episode 2. Great result and your a legend!!! The handlebar did you switch back to road low from enduro low?
You got me! This is some older footage, I still use the enduro low. In the next episode, which I'm preparing, you'll see some new 865 footage, ride review and impressions! Thank you so much for your comment, I appreciate it and it gives me motivation to do more videos!!
Did you swap the cam to the S&S too? Didn't see it in your first video
Hi, yes I did. It's in the first video at 04;18. Thanks for watching!
Hi I have a question, Do we have to re-bore the cylinder head ? or is it just switch the cylinder head pistons etc and Play ?
Hi,
the cylinder barrels must be machined so they can accept the 865 kit, this one : www.sscycle.com/products/865cc-big-bore-kit-for-royal-enfield-650-twins/
But there is this option, which I used, where the above kit comes already fitted in pair of new cylinder barrels : accessories.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com/44214?cont_page=information-and-services/Royal-Enfield-Interceptor-650-Accessories&cata=493665&catb=b&catc=c&catd=d
Thanks for watching!
@@ksmotoshed7961 I have managed to get my 650 to 49Hp at the wheel, and 53 Nm Torque. ECU from Race Dynamics, Full system exhaust, derestricted plates for AF, DNA filters, and a AFR correction unit called Fuel X. 58/73 is is great. Would love to experience 73Nm Torque on my Motorcycle. Should be a joy to ride.
@@officalJalgara that's great! Yes this kind of torque is a pleasure to experience! Thanks a lot for watching! Enjoy your bike and ride safe!
Top speed?
Not sure, I hit 170kph once easily but I had to slow down. It felt like it could hit the limiter but I can't really tell. I'm not a fan of high speeds anyway, I enjoy the acceleration more and I cruise at around 120-130kph.
@@ksmotoshed7961 ok thank you 👍
Very very good video but I'm not doing it because im a BIG CHICKEN!!!!;
You have real courage.
Thank you!! Believe me, I was terrified through various phases of the process! 😂
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So, that is about £4,000 on top of the price of the bike for a 10 BHP increase... a fool and his money...
Projects like this are never about the money. Its the enjoyment and feeling of accomplishment from doing it.
Its a hobby , not mean't to be cost affective.