Forever i was a fan of the Victor series mechanical water pump but it got warmer when going slower, some years ago i also went to the meziere 55 gpm electric and wow what a change, also a system 1 oil filter with the wire screen and watch the guage pressure go up😊 and i also wrapped my exhaust front to back with metal backed insulation with stainless zip ties for the E30💪
Key word is track use. Limited street use. It is a great product. My 4th gens fortunately never had overheating issues down on south texas. Your car is looking great also.
These are fairly useful. I bought one for the Camaro, one for the lawn sprinkler system, and one for the battlebot which uses a short distance water jet cutter as its weapon. All are controlled via MoTec.
I'm still very fascinated by your overheating problem. I can track my personal Crown Vic hard all day long in the Phoenix summer and not overheat; I've done the same at my law enforcement agency on track training day. I could run the patrol Vic incredibly hard (like 100% throttle to 100% brake to 100% throttle situations and so on) in pursuits and then let it sit at idle with no overheating. The Crown Vics have a water-to-oil cooler. I'm not sure if that makes a difference over fin style coolers? So I'm just wondering if it is a radiator problem or excessive oil heat problem?? Could the coolant be going too fast through the radiator not giving enough time for the heat transfer to take place? Is the grill opening too small to allow enough air to even get to the radiator? Is the electric water pump the proverbial "parts cannon" or a diagnosed solution? I'm curious to know if the extra amperage (increased load) is creating more alternator drag/resistance on the engine than what the pulley water pump had.
The CV makes what, about 250HP? Her car makes about 700HP. One of the biggest losses of engine power is through heat. The more power it makes the hotter it gets. The oil-to-water cooler is actually more beneficial for a car like a cop car which sits at idle for long periods of time. It helps keep the oil warm to prevent condensation. The oil lines are run through the radiator similar to how the factory transmission lines are ran. Contrary to popular belief, it's just as important to keep those lubricants warm than it is to keep them cool. With that being said, an aux oil cooler on her car certainly wouldn't hurt. 👍 And, yes. The grill on the Camaro is too small. That's always been one of the faults of every generation Camaro. The Corvette, too. Chevy just doesn't like to use a big grill. 🤷 As far as keeping the coolant in the radiator longer, goes, you're not wrong about it needing more time in the radiator, but doing that by slowing down the flow just leaves hotter antifreeze in the engine longer. She's doing exactly what needs to be done, and that's simply increasing the amount of surface area the coolant has to transfer the heat. Basically, by using a larger radiator the coolant is spending more time in the radiator because it has more area to cover in the same amount of time, if that makes sense. For example, if you wanted a cool down while walking through a river you could either walk slower or pick a wider part of the river to walk through, at the same pace. Either way you're going to cool down more quickly. And lastly, while the extra load on the alternator may cause a fraction of horsepower loss, Engine Masters did a test where putting a full load on a 100 amp alternator (basically a dead battery) only causes about a 10 horsepower loss. It's actually not as much as people think it is. But the huge advantage goes back to what you were saying earlier about flowing coolant through the radiator; an electric water pump speed is not determined by RPM. It doesn't matter if you're going 150 mph or if you're sitting at a stoplight, the coolant is flowing thru the engine at the same rate. Plus, as she mentioned, she can actually cool off her engine while it's in the pit area. That's a huge benefit, especially when drag racing. I mean, it's beneficial all around but that's really where a person can really reap the rewards of an electric water pump.
@@Carl_Jr Thanks for the reply. It was helpful. What I would like to see in the video is more explanation of the overall problem and how the cooling plan works towards the overall solution. Part swapping/part installing doesn't really explain the "why." I would be curious to know what the engine builders thought of the cooling situation when she was building the engine at their shop. Did they not recommend an upgraded cooling system for the HP boost? If the grill area is still too small for proper air flow to the radiator will the electric pump really have an impact? That's why I'm curious as to what the overall cooling problem and solution plan is. I've worked a lot of pursuits over the last 2+ decades in the Crown Vics I had. I would imagine that HP and heat is relative to the engine and its cooling system. I've run endless pursuits on the highway and onto city street at WOT for dozens and dozens of miles with heavy, heavy braking back to WOT then sudden/immediate stop to idle with no cool down period in 120 degree Phoenix valley summer heat without problem of overheating. In one pursuit, I ground down a nearly new set of brake pads to the backing plate resulting in four new rotors and pads as well as a set of new tires; we do some really aggressive braking in some pursuits....more aggressive than what most will ever do on track day as we truly have to make sure we don't kill innocent drivers or pedestrians versus driving on a regulated track. Those Vics never let me down....I can't say the same about the Chargers as the one I have now can't handle the abuse; it has overheated and the same parts keep breaking over and over. A two year old Charger with 35K miles is now on its third a/c compressor, two cracked thermostat housings and that's just two parts in the list.
I'm in AZ as well would love to have you take a look at my the gen, been having lots of issues with it. Fixing one at a time. Came across this I'm curious if it's worth putting on mine even though I'm not hitting the road course
You do have a fuse puller it comes with the car it is that white plastic on the left front you just have to lift it out when you’re done you can put it back
I count believe they’re too lazy to model and machine a solid piece for the spacer of this application and instead stacking an existing with a gasket sandwiched in between.
Yeah, it is interesting that they just didn't engineer/cast the pump to eliminate the need for the spacer. There's nothing a performance car needs more than is two more points of possible gasket failure. But I'm also wondering if this pump design can be used in other GM applications that don't need the spacer.
Its been a while since we've had some Camaro content! Good to see it back on the channel.
Forever i was a fan of the Victor series mechanical water pump but it got warmer when going slower, some years ago i also went to the meziere 55 gpm electric and wow what a change, also a system 1 oil filter with the wire screen and watch the guage pressure go up😊 and i also wrapped my exhaust front to back with metal backed insulation with stainless zip ties for the E30💪
The white tool in the fuse box is a fuse puller.
Awesome upgrade - thanks for sharing the install !
That is really a great idea
Modified the water pump from stock to upgrade aftermarket on any performance car good idea Kayla
Key word is track use. Limited street use. It is a great product. My 4th gens fortunately never had overheating issues down on south texas. Your car is looking great also.
These are fairly useful. I bought one for the Camaro, one for the lawn sprinkler system, and one for the battlebot which uses a short distance water jet cutter as its weapon. All are controlled via MoTec.
Great video, looking forward to the review video.
Awesome job on your video.
I'm still very fascinated by your overheating problem. I can track my personal Crown Vic hard all day long in the Phoenix summer and not overheat; I've done the same at my law enforcement agency on track training day. I could run the patrol Vic incredibly hard (like 100% throttle to 100% brake to 100% throttle situations and so on) in pursuits and then let it sit at idle with no overheating. The Crown Vics have a water-to-oil cooler. I'm not sure if that makes a difference over fin style coolers? So I'm just wondering if it is a radiator problem or excessive oil heat problem?? Could the coolant be going too fast through the radiator not giving enough time for the heat transfer to take place? Is the grill opening too small to allow enough air to even get to the radiator? Is the electric water pump the proverbial "parts cannon" or a diagnosed solution? I'm curious to know if the extra amperage (increased load) is creating more alternator drag/resistance on the engine than what the pulley water pump had.
The CV makes what, about 250HP? Her car makes about 700HP. One of the biggest losses of engine power is through heat. The more power it makes the hotter it gets.
The oil-to-water cooler is actually more beneficial for a car like a cop car which sits at idle for long periods of time. It helps keep the oil warm to prevent condensation. The oil lines are run through the radiator similar to how the factory transmission lines are ran. Contrary to popular belief, it's just as important to keep those lubricants warm than it is to keep them cool.
With that being said, an aux oil cooler on her car certainly wouldn't hurt. 👍
And, yes. The grill on the Camaro is too small. That's always been one of the faults of every generation Camaro. The Corvette, too. Chevy just doesn't like to use a big grill. 🤷
As far as keeping the coolant in the radiator longer, goes, you're not wrong about it needing more time in the radiator, but doing that by slowing down the flow just leaves hotter antifreeze in the engine longer. She's doing exactly what needs to be done, and that's simply increasing the amount of surface area the coolant has to transfer the heat. Basically, by using a larger radiator the coolant is spending more time in the radiator because it has more area to cover in the same amount of time, if that makes sense. For example, if you wanted a cool down while walking through a river you could either walk slower or pick a wider part of the river to walk through, at the same pace. Either way you're going to cool down more quickly.
And lastly, while the extra load on the alternator may cause a fraction of horsepower loss, Engine Masters did a test where putting a full load on a 100 amp alternator (basically a dead battery) only causes about a 10 horsepower loss. It's actually not as much as people think it is. But the huge advantage goes back to what you were saying earlier about flowing coolant through the radiator; an electric water pump speed is not determined by RPM. It doesn't matter if you're going 150 mph or if you're sitting at a stoplight, the coolant is flowing thru the engine at the same rate. Plus, as she mentioned, she can actually cool off her engine while it's in the pit area. That's a huge benefit, especially when drag racing. I mean, it's beneficial all around but that's really where a person can really reap the rewards of an electric water pump.
@@Carl_Jr Thanks for the reply. It was helpful. What I would like to see in the video is more explanation of the overall problem and how the cooling plan works towards the overall solution. Part swapping/part installing doesn't really explain the "why."
I would be curious to know what the engine builders thought of the cooling situation when she was building the engine at their shop. Did they not recommend an upgraded cooling system for the HP boost?
If the grill area is still too small for proper air flow to the radiator will the electric pump really have an impact? That's why I'm curious as to what the overall cooling problem and solution plan is.
I've worked a lot of pursuits over the last 2+ decades in the Crown Vics I had. I would imagine that HP and heat is relative to the engine and its cooling system. I've run endless pursuits on the highway and onto city street at WOT for dozens and dozens of miles with heavy, heavy braking back to WOT then sudden/immediate stop to idle with no cool down period in 120 degree Phoenix valley summer heat without problem of overheating. In one pursuit, I ground down a nearly new set of brake pads to the backing plate resulting in four new rotors and pads as well as a set of new tires; we do some really aggressive braking in some pursuits....more aggressive than what most will ever do on track day as we truly have to make sure we don't kill innocent drivers or pedestrians versus driving on a regulated track. Those Vics never let me down....I can't say the same about the Chargers as the one I have now can't handle the abuse; it has overheated and the same parts keep breaking over and over. A two year old Charger with 35K miles is now on its third a/c compressor, two cracked thermostat housings and that's just two parts in the list.
I love how ya ocd kick in with the cleaning😂
I can’t help myself!!! Especially when I have full access when a ton of parts are removed. I’m never in THAT much of a rush to skip the cleaning.
Yessss Chevy Camaro 🔥🔥💪🔥💪🔥💪
Your fuse puller is inside the box. It’s in the lower left corner it’s the white thing
Great video
I'm in AZ as well would love to have you take a look at my the gen, been having lots of issues with it. Fixing one at a time. Came across this I'm curious if it's worth putting on mine even though I'm not hitting the road course
Yeah I’d be more than happy to take a look! What’s the problems?
I’m your fan thank you
So with that belt routing being the same, it's still basically routing to the electric water pump?
You do have a fuse puller it comes with the car it is that white plastic on the left front you just have to lift it out when you’re done you can put it back
I should’ve mentioned it’s in the fuse box
Nice hands.
Who says girls can't work on cars. Well done!
Thank you! It runs better than ever now 💖
If I was ever shallow enough to date a girl based on her car, I would walk on fire for you! 😂 Your car is so badass, on every level! 🥰
One more thing, EXCELLENT choice of music. Very calming and adds to the video instead of some music which overpowers the video. Great choices. 👍
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Guess you pickup some hp not turnin that water around?
Whatever happened to you being taught how to fly from Mia?
I count believe they’re too lazy to model and machine a solid piece for the spacer of this application and instead stacking an existing with a gasket sandwiched in between.
Yeah, it is interesting that they just didn't engineer/cast the pump to eliminate the need for the spacer. There's nothing a performance car needs more than is two more points of possible gasket failure. But I'm also wondering if this pump design can be used in other GM applications that don't need the spacer.
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Are you going to LS fest Vegas ???? Texas????