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- This is Part 2 of me getting an old Hornby R066 Duchess of Sutherland running again.
Part 1 • Hornby R066 Duchess of...
There won't be a "Part 3" as such but there will be an update video at some point soon.
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Bill, Princess Coronations and Princess Royals had oval buffer heads from new. They were never fitted with round head buffers. Nice job repairing it.
I don't own a model railway, but these videos are immensely entertaining to watch. Keep them up!
Congrats on a job well done! As a fellow tinkerer I glean a lot from watching your videos. Had even some T-Cut shipped to my neck of the woods, great stuff. Thank you! Stay healthy and keep 'em coming! Greetings from Finland.
I actually had the Duchess and she was a great model. All mine were sold on many years ago and she was snapped up. Light at front illuminates 2 small lights just above the bumpers so well worth replacing that bulb. She looks the part on your layout for sure 👍
Watched both parts. Really impressive restoration, especially considering how buggered it was.
Always wanted an old Duchess too, never had but as you say, they were always in the catalogues and although modern ones look better these oldies are still attractive in a different and nostalgic way........plus people can actually afford them! 🤣
Great video something really satisfying about getting a non runner working perfectly again.
Might be worth considering loctite 270 stud lock for the nail bonding 👍🏻
Bill your a genius 👍🏻 Love your fixing videos 😂 In vest in a pillar drill for more actuate drilling!! Have a nice weekend cheers Stevie 😎
Sheer Brilliance Bill. Well done on achieving a very well-working LMS Duchess of Sutherland again. They're one of the stable locos to have in any loco fleet, and I'm really glad you've finally achieved that goal - albeit after quite a lot of work and yet a fantastic job on your part. Be proud! Cheers, Greg, NZ
Well done, an excellent video of a fantastic repair. Scotsman and Sutherland together always looks impressive, think they were the flagships for hornby back in the day. Always interested to see your repairs, what next? Thankyou again for a double feature
Well done, Bill. a great repair. Was particularly impressed by the new spindle for the gear wheel. I have often wondered how to use Milliput, so now I know. Thanks.
Easy! *cough*
Seriously this has to be your most extensive repair to date. Very impressed. And well worth it. Always one of Hornby's most desirable locos along with Flying Scotsman and Mallard. Great to see the two old rivals together.
As a kid I had a Flying Scotsman (my only large steam loco at the time) and later I wanted another big pacific. I knew it would have to be a joint Birthday/Christmas present and even then wasn't sure if my parents would agree. The two I really liked were Mallard and the Duchess of Sutherland with it's gorgeous crimson-lake livery.
I loved the idea of seeing the most iconic locos of LNER and LMS racing along side by side round my layout, however I'd have had to wait another year to get the matching LMS coaches as the train pack was too expensive. Mallard was a bit cheaper and I had two sets of coaches that would go with the BR green livery, some LNER teaks and some lovely blood and custards, so went for that instead. I always secretly wanted a Duchess too though.
Now that I've got back into the hobby one of the first things I did was get a BR maroon Coronation class and matching coaches even before I got the layout up and running!
Yup. Actually I think I now have all the locos I wanted as a kid back in the 70s with maybe one exception. That'll come one day if I can get one a decent price!
Great instructional videos. I have found them extremely useful for maintaining my own stable of locos, some of which are over 40 years old. Thank you Bill.
Amazing bill amazing, its wonderful to see someone who just will not let a engine die, she is running nicely looking great, a lovely addition to your fleet, looking forward to seeing the next one, take care, Eddy xx
Excellent repair and informative too. I love the use of a nail, necessity is the mother of invention. A real win for you with another 'non runner'. 😊👍
Awesome job done Bill..i really enjoyed the repairs .Fun to watch..
Great job mate, very intricate professional job.
Excellent video, Bill. Many thanks. I’ve just bought a second hand duchess. I’m sure your video will be of great help in getting her set up and running properly.
A job very well done sir, runs sweet, looks great, repairs and fixes brought it back to life. Post updates if you do anymore to it please. All the best. Brian @ The Angels.
Yeah I will. I'll be adding the bulb and looking at the fit of the body to the chassis.
Loved that video. My first train set in 1978 was the Duchess of Sutherland Express Passenger set which, as you said, was Hornby's flagship set for that year. My parents paid £49.99 for it from Bentalls in Kingston Upon Thames - a lot of money in those days! I still have the complete set, albeit without the box. The engine hasn't been run for about 25 years but as I've just taken-up railway modelling again, it's going to be first in the queue for a good clean and service! And as for the body sitting a bit high on the chassis, mine always did that so I suspect it was a trait of the model back 40+ years ago. Keep up the great work with your videos and hope to see more soon.
A very impressive repair over two parts. Well Done!
Another one saved Bill!....great job and a lovely loco....really liked your solution to the loose tender body....brilliant....I will treating some of my own to this fix....ta.
Hi Bill ... I love your videos really down to earth ... I finished up also getting a Duches of Sutherland off ebay arrived today loved it , it is a none runner but easily sorted ... I also got the J72 when I watched your other video ... my layouts not up and running yet, got a hut to build and with my back ache, attic was a no-no ... but when running they will all get the DCC treatment ...
I have one of these from back in the day, great loco. Watched a few of your videos, some great loco repairs, bring older locos back to life The horby ringfield motors are very good, no need to replace them, just need a good clean. Like your layout 👌
Brilliant restoration of a lovely looking locomotive
I like the way you do things, you never fail, but you do things like we all do, with little mishaps, which at least makes you a boy who never grows up, like all us boy's.
Well done . Impressive surgery . Nothing seems to daunt you . I don’t even take the wheels off !
Glad part 2 was quick. I was surprisingly irritated by being left on a cliffhanger on the last one.
Hi Bill, a very fascinating video. Keep up the fantastic work.
Matthew
Love your repair videos. Great work. Please keep them up.
Hi Bill great vid. Followed your lead and just stripped down a Duchess class from mid 70’s which was a very poor runner. New brushes and springs etc and with battery motor works fine. For some reason power isn’t transferring from loco wheels to tender but if I short with a wire on wheel and touch tender pick up it runs ? Not missed anything on rebuild - I guess I just don’t have your magic touch 🤣🤣. Keep em coming as really enjoyable.
Another brilliant restoration, well done
You really are ingenious Bill a brilliant restoration Just wish I was brave enough to strip chassis down like you did. I'll tell you what I bet not many of today's new locos are still going when they are the same age as the Duchess
Interesting programme . Lots of information and tips . 👍
Ah!! Part 2 !!
Wow ! Did you just fill the hole with a sawed off nail and CA it in place ?!!! Genius !! I never have such success with CA glue !!
Impressive extensive re-build.
If you make milliput wet, I've found it sticks very well - You do a lovely job :-)
Brilliance and patience great job
Superbly fixed, great to see the old girl running. Nice fix to the tender body as well, I have a City of Leeds that has the same problem so may see if I can use a similar solution.
Nicely done! ... and I completely agree about why some people hack enormous holes in their models to fit industrial sized cables!
Brilliant a true master class, you sir are a true talent, thanks for sharing such great work.
Great job, I just bought one and it makes a weirdy noise a little, so I have to open it as well to see if I can make a better, this and part1 is a great guide to start with it. kind regards from NL
It's amazing what you've achieved. If you had had it running to the " Great Escape Theme " it would have been emotional. 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Hi Bill, This is a genius repair ! I admire your skills and inventive mind. Thanks for sharing - most enjoyable and interesting. Greetings, Filip
Hi Bill got about 6 of these duchesses including one Chinese manufactured one which when put on test track began to smoke but from under the tender. I total rebuild of the tender ringfield motor and was once again running like a watch
Dear Sir, 1 / re your battery powered drill, I notice that other commentators have suggested a Dremel, which is a very good power tool in its own right, BUT I respectively suggest the purchase of a Pedestal Drill Press as it will ensure true vertical holes, it will allow for slow and high torque speeds, and it will also be useful for non model railway work as well.By its very nature it is more controllable than other alternatives.( I concede that a lathe is also a possibility, but that really is going onto another level ) For the sort of modelling work you demonstrate a Pedestal Drill Press ( sometimes called a pillar drill ) would be useful, and better value for money.
2 / I also really enjoyed this video, and I also liked th idea of using brass rod to fix the loco to tender current collector, a neat solution to an interesting design idea that, in practice, appears to have a high failure rate. I note that Hornby now uses RC plug&socket to transfer power between the loco & tender.Best wishes and regards from Australia.
Like a mini-epic----- will he ---- won't he------ Looks so elegant with those coaches, watched this repair with a single malt out of respect ----- now unfortunately empty, cheers, looking forward to the next post
Empty? Never have just one bottle! Always have a reserve....
Amazing transformation.
Top man Bill. Saved another train. Very entertaining 🚂👨✈️👍
Like the video very much .Hope more to come .Take care
Plenty more. I have a growing waiting list.....
You don't need new buffers for her, the Duchess class has oval buffers at the front (or it does on the two models I've had since new at least). Great video, I need to give my City of Nottingham loco a service and a look at to try and alter a poor repair a model shop made that put a yellow wire underneath the rear pony truck
OK cheers for that. A yellow wire? Dear oh dear....
In the early days it was the way of things to drill holes in varous locations on pre-zero one designed locos to accommodate the chips - even to the extent of attaching a "match van" for various tank locos. I had a B12 loco and the zero one conversion was to put the chip in the tender drilling the hole for the wires and then drilling a hole in the firebox to take the wires to the XO3 motor. This was the recommended way according to the instructions. Post Zero one introduction the locos were designed with the appropriate spaces/holes to take the chip and wires.
Really? They actually recommended doing that? Blimey! I guarantee it can be done with two slim, black wires under the drawbar and up into the underside of the loco or drilling one small hole somewhere less obvious than the firebox. But I guess Hornby had to offer a simple one for all solution as guidance.
I once had a late 1940s Hornby 3 rail LMS Duchess of Atholl-all metal with a vertical commutator like the N2 you overhauled. I was very interested therefore to see how Hornby had updated these Stanier pacifics (the real ones I grew up with at Watford). I could never get my head round tender drive but some of my scratch-built locos had tender motors and a cv drive to a shaft in the loco with all-wheel drives.
very smooth running... well done
Great, very useful, I have a Duchess of Athol with similar problems as well as a number other basket cases.
Work of art ..... thanks for sharing.
Hi Bill, Looking at that chassis it looks like you could fit a X04 motor in it with the correct gears. That would be an interesting project. You say what next, Well now you have the Duchess of Sutherland it would be rude not to get her husband the Hornby Patriot Duke of Sutherland.......... :). Well done on an excellent repair job. One thought on the raised rear of the body. It maybe that the spring on the rear pony truck is not the original one and is too long. Therefore pushing the whole rear of the engine up slightly. Try running it without the spring to see.
I'd rather run it with the ringfield than an X04. Much quieter and smoother. A Type 7 motor in the loco would be better than an X04 but either way it wouldn't really be worth it. The idea of tender drive is off putting but I've actually warmed to them a bit as the Hornby ones at least run nicely if serviced well. The spring for the pony truck has nothing to do with the fitting of the body. I suspect someone has fitted a replacement brass thread in the body that isn't inserted fully or is too long.
Well done, Bill. the Duchesses are lovely locos. PS They always had Oval buffers! Great idea for the tender clips. Maybe a little video on how to make them???
Agree. A video specifically about the tender clips would be useful, and would also be an added TH-cam draw. (No one will come to this video expecting to see a tender top repair!)
Aye. I will definitely do that soon and actually did video how I made them but not everything makes the edit. I decided that was for a separate video as it is a common problem.
Great videos,. Where did you get the bulb from please as I need one for mine.
Cheers and happy Christmas
Nice piece of freestyle engineering 👌
Hi oo, Nice one , man after my own heart, good on you, All the Best Brian
You should also order a flicker light for the hole in firebox to represent a fires glow.
I knew you'd make it work even better than new. Well done :)
I enjoy the processes you follow to take a dead engine and bring it back to life!
Very educational. I know what to do now. Cheers Bill
I like the look of this Hornby loco, but to me the tender just looks wrong, like its to short !
Any thoughts on this. or is it just me !
There should be a plastic 'lens' thingy for the head lights, that is missing from your model! They did look quite good when they were new and working
Interesting that chassis looks like a later Triang style one , wonder if it would take an X04 motor and main gear.
Did you ever get the light working, on my city of Nottingham the lightbulb is working but I don't see the point as it doesn't light up anything on the locomotive :)
You need to buy yourself a Dremel or something similar. An Archimedes drill might also be useful. ( I bought a miniature Dremel type drill from Lidl, though it’s rechargeable. They also sometimes have mains powered ones in, via a transformer.
I used to have an Archimedes drill and keep meaning to get another they are very useful. I have a rotary tool that I use for drilling sometimes but some jobs need the variable speed control that a proper drill gives you to get the hole started accurately.
@@oobill the mains powered drill has variable speed. Both the drills from Lidl came with a selection of collets, some small drills, burs etc. Lidl sometimes actually sell sets of tools for them.
A very clever repair. I don't think you need to look for another motor, that new spindle should last a very long time.
Inspiring repair, you have the Victorian attitude of 'can do'. However, if the oval pin was due to lack of lubrication wouldn't the other pins exhibit similar problems? Perhaps it was a manufacturing defect.
I have just acquired the same loco. Do you know if it will run off the R965 controller unit?
Top job Bill 👍
excellent job well done
Great job!
Awesome! Well done. 🏴 🏆🏆🏆 🏴
Could you have perhaps drilled a 1mm pilot hole into the old gear spindle before cutting it off ? You would then have had a marker on the body? Might have needed a Dremel on a pillar stand to get it dead centre? Anyway, great repair - I reckon that will last 🙂👍
In theory maybe yes. Trouble was that the spindle was so worn I don't think it would have been possible in this case although yes a pillar stand would have helped. I've had one on my Amazon save for later basket for months....
@@oobill In which case your method was a great solution👍
Keep your eyes open on Gumtree or your local Facebook buy and sell groups. I got one that was unused - suspect unwanted gift. Should make drilling holes for things like handrails more accurate.
Keep the videos coming - very practical, and becoming a mine of useful information.
You, sir are a genius!
Firstly you are a really clever chap and make it all look so easy!Secondly how can some grumpy git give you a down thumb!
The diesel back up when doing the Highlands Scenic Tours, that's who..😄 (jus jokin' 😉)
Could you use the feed for light to put a firebox flicker in
I suspect that rather than the spindle wearing due to lack of lubrication - how can a plastic gearwheel wear a die-cast bearing? It was probably not cast properly in the first place.
Friction causes both the spindle and the gear to wear. The hole in the gear wears evenly because it spins and results in a gear with a larger hole. The spindle wears on the side subject to the most friction in the direction of travel. Resulting in an oval shaped spindle. It's not bad casting.
Why is the loco higher than the carriages? I hav’nt ever noticed this before.
I do mention this at the end of the video. And I know why it is now. There will be a short "Part 3" soon...
Nice job. New to the hobby what spacing do you have between centres of your track?
congratulations
Bill, I have friend here in Australia who would 'kill' to get his hands on this locomotive, so if you want to sell it please let me know. Cheers Greg 😀 🚂
Very good video as usual. 👍😃
hello Bill can i pick your brains please ive just pick up for pennies 2 lima locos a 121 and a 117 driving coach i have been watching you repair lima ringfield motors and have the 121 running like a dream, i think the are a older motor as the cogs are held on with hex nuts/screws rather than the clip, problem i have its only driving on one axle the smaller cog that connects axle to bigger cog is not making contact i dont want to buy a donner loco without knowing what i need peters spares have 1 cog in stock but with postage its very expensive looking forward to hearing from you Trev
Try contacting Richard at diesel-trains.co.uk/
Best thing about the old Margate made models.........you can repair them
The Train Dr. strikes again! 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂
my fantasy loco when i was about 10 ? lol 😍
Excellent.
What's happened to your excellent videoes
Great tutorial - very informative. To help me in my own project, I'd hoped to see the (now unavailable?) clear S9682 light lens unit fitted beneath the body front, which transmits light from the bulb to the light holes near the buffer beam, but looks like it was missing on that model - which seems to be common.
Like the others cleaver thinking I'd just gone ahead and got another motor 🤔 but I'm no where near so cleaver
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