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Before this podcast I was considering supporting, but now you will never get my support. Makes me wonder about the validity of any of your content because I know firsthand how wrong this one is.
@@dr.g1482 You are one of the few INTELLIGENT people on here for not being influenced by the radical critics of Adventism who are convinced that their telling a lie often enough about Adventists will eventually be accepted as the truth.
@@charity2275 Dr G has been exposed as a fake account using multiple accounts, and making claims about others without any form of justification through sources
I am an SDA and that these Ladies say, that SDA talk to insiders other than outsiders is a blatant lie. I have no problem to tell whomsoever about Adventist history and doctrine.
I left SDA church last year. I was born as a 3rd generation, and after 40 plus years I left. These two ladies helped me a lot. I listen to their Former Adventist Podcast. My relationship with Jesus has never been on this level. I absolutely love reading my Bible every single day, and I finally understand what it says. I know I am saved because of what Jesus did, and because He gave me the Holy Spirit who is my guarantee of my salvation. I could never go back to the SDA and I could never unsee what I see now in Scripture.
well come back as you are now in babylon as all sunday churches are babylon and will soon receive the mark of the beast? Are you looking forward to receive the mark of the beast and end up in hell?.
I see you fulfil prophecy in our hearing 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
@@annettemacintosh117 That is right and bible prophecy does warn us against the false doctrine of our day, be it Adventist, Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses. False religion abounds and Adventistm is just one among many of the false religions.
@@AcademyApologia Amen! They mean well, but like all counterfeits, they try to earn God's favor by their own efforts & merit. May the Lord open their eyes to see the beauty of Grace ❤️
35 minutes in. Fascinating stuff. How they clearly state that the churches doctrines were developed through bible study yet somehow still laying it at Ellen Whites feet.
It appears to me that though these people escaped Adventist doctrine, they haven't escaped the idea that only those with the "correct" theology will make it to heaven.
Ok, but you can't be saved if you believe in the wrong god, or the wrong way of salvation. Muslims have incorrect theology, and as a result, will not be saved. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses likewise have incorrect theology and will not be saved. At some level, everyone believes that one needs to believe correct theology in order to be saved. The alternative is some form of universalism.
You better repent brother...with that sentence you just blatantly disobeyed Ellen White. “Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. Every one should be taught to cherish hope and faith; but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that He accepts us, we are not beyond the reach of temptation. God's word declares, ‘Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried.’ Dan. 12:10. Only he who endures the trial will receive the crown of life. (James 1:12.)” (COL 155.1) 2. “We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, ‘I am saved.’ When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayers, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say, ‘I am saved’ (1SM 314.2).
@@JessicaPottorff030612 She is basically addressing the idea of "once saved always saved". Which is most definitely a dangerous idea as it implies you can blatantly resist the Holy Spirit and live a sinful life, yet still think you are saved because once upon a time you said the sinners prayer... Which clearly denies many Bible verses about being genuinely transformed, repenting and living a new life in Christ. I know people don't like others to say "context!", but we need to keep these statements in context. 1 John 5:13: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. We indeed can know we have eternal life.
Hello I am a former sda and seriously and honestly with all respect i can tell you that this is the most distorted podcast I ever heard. Please it will be good if you can invite a former well educated sda just to clear all misconceptions that have bee spoken. THANK YOU, MAY THE LORD CONTINUE BLESSING YOU ALL
(5:07) they didn’t become millerites, they attended the millerite meetings as members of other denominations. Btw the millerites were all called Adventists, quakers, Presbyterians, Seventh-day Baptists, Methodists, abolitionists, Baptists etc. btw, the word “Adventist” simply means that one believes in the second coming of Christ as all bible believing Protestant Christians do, not excluding Seventh-day Adventists :)
Liar. Ellen and her parents were Millerites who attended the Chestnut street Methodist church in Portland Maine. They were kicked out of the fellowship because they could not control themselves and were continually interrupting the pastor and declaring he did not love the return of Christ, and did not love Jesus. You are a habitual liar.
I believe Jesus came in judgement on Jerusalem and her temple in 70AD just as He prophesied in His Olivet Discourse, this generation shall not pass ..... I’m still looking into a final return at the end of human history..
Great video I’m an ex Adventist and I had to deconstruct and reconstruct because it s a mind control church and your not even aware of it and now I thank God I’m now a Christian
@@martinduplooy259they tell you Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and if you don’t keep the sabbath you loose your salvation salvation is also your been vegetarian and they put fear in because they say if your not an Adventist you’re lost
@@hectorromero4375 to be honest these ladies are just all over the place. For example they say sda believe something like Jesus died on the cross and now a door has been opened where we can now keep the law of God. I have never heard that and I listen to many sda posters all over the world. The law show us our sins because transgression of the law is SIN but it only show us what we are doing wrong it can not save us, we are saved by his blood (grace) and our faith (following Jesus) daily. Not sure what she was saying about the holy spirit leaving and coming back, if you harden you heart toward Jesus yes you'll become more separated from him but Jesus will always take you back if you repent with a sincere heart, David was an example. We do belive you need to be obedient to God's law and that it's not a burden as you will have a master but up to you who is your master is, Truth or error. The Great Controversy is correct, Satan rebelled against God and if God just destroy him his created begins will serve him out of fear and not love. We know there is a law in heaven because the ark of the covenant has a mercy seat on it and in Hebrews it say the original sanctuary is in heaven and we only had a copy of it. Before the sda church was formed there were many protestants people that followed the teaching of Muller about cleansing of the sanctuary as in Daniel 8:14. They where wrong because they teached at that time the sanctuary is earth, but after the great disappointment they learned that in Heberew they say the sanctuary is in heaven and they got that wrong. So hear is where the people started splitting up and started other churches but those who continued to believed Jesus is coming they just had the even wrong they continue to study and then Ellen White started getting the prophetic visions. The SDA start foundation is Daniel 8:14. And after the they formed the SDA church. They never agreed on the Trinity because it was not the message to give, they believed was the 3 Angel's message Revelation 14:6,7,8. A lady called Rachel Oakes Preston was responsible to introducing the Sabbath to the Millerites, she was Sevenday Baptist. If you read the Paper the produced as a church at that time you can see how they started finding important truths like the God head, (3 persons one God). So to say that the are found on anti-tritian is not true but did they had people on both sides at that time because they come from different backgrounds. Anyway this is really a disappointment interview and really hard to watch theses two miss present the church, its history and points out how they miss understand the Doctrines which is all biblical. I know people in my own church have been there 30 years they will not be able to tell you the fundamentals, it's not a case that you are in the church and now you know what is happening, as many people sleep. These ladies doctrine are blown like wind. But these attacks are expected. Act 24:5 KJV For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: blessing.
@Ben Z the bible clear were not saved by the law we keep the law because we love God and the holy spirt moves us away from sin but we're saved by grace through faith
They think your spirit is just the breath of life God blew into Adam which it also is, but they don't see it as a distinct part of the anatomy of a human being the way Paul describes it when he says the spirit wars against the flesh. They also don't understand the soul and how its not the spirit, a lot of spiritual things seem foolish to them because there still carnal minded trying to justify themselves by the law.
I go to SDA church. It doesn’t surprise me people nay saying. The SDA church I go to is actually the most normal church I’ve ever been to. I’ve been to every type of church as well and SDA Follow the Bible. These Two should Consider that maybe it’s Just the Church They went To Amd Not All of SDA
@@featheredfriend1310You can't get away from Ellen white in the Sabbath school it's in the literature world wide. They also teach that Jesus is Michael the archangel. It was in one of the Sabbath school books.
@@SFayeLewis I’ve not seen it but will be on the look out for what you shared with me. I tried to go back to church on Sunday and that’s not sitting well with me. I don’t understand why it matters if Ellen G White is mentioned or not. To me she’s just like any other Christian Author/publisher. Besides, no one wants to quote someone without bringing up the original author
@@featheredfriend1310 I don't feel right going to church on Sunday either I still keep Sabbath I just don't go to any sda church anymore unless it's for a wedding/ funeral/ other. I go to a Seventh day Baptist Church still doing my research on them now
What I love about these two ladies (among other things) is you can see them glancing at each other to see if the other person wants to add something. It's very gracious and shows that they respect each other's input. Just a random observation.
They should have quoted this from Ellen White: The Lord designs to warn you, to reprove, to counsel, through the testimonies given, and to impress your minds with the importance of the truth of His word. The written testimonies are not to give new light, but to impress vividly upon the heart the truths of inspiration already revealed. Man's duty to God and to his fellow man has been distinctly specified in God's word; yet but few of you are obedient to the light given. Additional truth is not brought out; but God has through the Testimonies simplified the great truths already given and in His own chosen way brought them before the people to awaken and impress the mind with them, that all may be left without excuse. Pride, self-love, selfishness, hatred, envy, and jealousy have beclouded the perceptive powers, and the truth, which would make you wise unto salvation, has lost its power to charm and control the mind. The very essential principles of godliness are not understood because there is not a hungering and thirsting for Bible knowledge, purity of heart, and holiness of life. The Testimonies are not to belittle the word of God, but to exalt it and attract minds to it, that the beautiful simplicity of truth may impress all.
I went to seven Adventist church when little 6-7 but we stopped going I don’t know why. I am a born again Christian since I was 13 . This is new to me about this Adventist church.
It's new to most Adventist because they're not being honest with their assessment. These people are just expressing the pain they have from Bad experiences in the denomination.
@@jonnbobo liar. Most ex Adventists enjoyed being Adventist. Both women left because the doctrines come from hell. You are the Adventist cheerleader who isn’t an Adventist. You are weird.
(15:54) yes Ellen Harmon was raised as a Methodist by her parents who were Methodists and they took her with them along with her twin sister and brother and the rest of the family, to the Methodist church and they also attended the millerite meetings in anticipation of the second coming of Jesus. What did they do wrong then?
@@romandaigle455 do you have any Bible scripture where God promised to send us a final prophet? Jesus promised to send us the Holy Spirit to teach us all things (John 14:26)
I have been attending the SDA church in Mexico and upper MICHIGAN for over a year. I must explore this much deeper because I really do not see the great inconsistencies. To me SDA is the true remnant church which will endure to the end. God protect and guide us. JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
I was born & raised in the movement. I Left and heard the gospel for the first time about five years ago. Please do your research! Don’t be convinced by the kind and beautiful people or the culture. Please learn real whole church history and orthodoxy- meaning the unchanging foundations of a Christian faith. Not what the SDA church teaches you about church history. Also please know and believe that Jesus Christ life death and resurrection is a complete atonement for your sins past present and future and that your salvation wholly and truly rest in Him.
Excellent explanations. I was a member of Worldwide Church of God. I read Proclamation! magazine a while due to this. Some of the materials were helpful but it is really a different belief system in many ways. Both came out of the Restoration movement, though.
i hope you can come out of babylon and enter the 3 angles message group as Jesus says babyllon fell When? IN RE 14 when the sanctuary message was given Who gave a sanctuary judgment message ? William Miller
@@quest380 I attended as a child until age 12 with my mother. I was allowed to stop attending by my father ( a non-member). I started attending again in 1985 as a young adult. Armstrong died in early 1986. I continued to attend WCG until about 2000.
(4:32) the millerite movement was comprised of many denominations. As previously mentioned - William Miller was himself a Gentleman farmer of the Baptist faith who was called by God in 1831 to be a lay preacher.
(15:23) in Luke 24 we hear two disciples walking along the road to Emmaus discussing events of the weekend and then a Stranger joins them. What did they say to Him about their expectations? 21But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel… Now is that what Jesus came to do or had the disciples got His mission wrong?
Yep. There are way too many younger folks online calling themselves prophets, or saying God told them explicitly about details of future events. Many seem sincere. But sincerely caught up in feelings wanting to be some sort of hero, or insider. Not content with God's final source of His written words that have given themselves up to string delusions.
(15:51- 16:06) indeed a huge following and this second great awakening was not limited to the baptist farmer/lay preacher William Miller in New England America alone, it happened in England and in Europe as well as anticipation grew not limited to Millers views alone but in other parts of the world also the common belief was that Jesus would return to cleanse the sanctuary which the majority believed was the earth, so targeting William Miller for getting it wrong is rather biased especially when we consider how the disciples got it wrong centuries prior thinking that Jesus has come to earth to deliver Israel from the Roman yoke and set up His earthly kingdom - hear Jesus in Luke 24:22 say to them after the event 25… “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He [g]expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. Does anyone actually register the similarities?
It's always interesting how cults / false religions so often depend upon one person or a few people having some personal experience/vision. Others are supposed to believe them solely on the basis of this personal experience. That should always be a warning bell. What a contrast with biblical Christianity! Biblical Christianity is not based on one person or a few people having subjective experiences. It's based upon the Bible, which consists of 66 books, written by multiple authors, from various backgrounds, in different locations, over a couple thousand years, in Hebrew, Greek, & I believe some Aramaic. It's rooted in geography, history, and fulfilled prophecy. And it's one cohesive, consistent narrative from beginning to end. That speaks to its supernatural origin. Such a thing would be impossible to pull off if it was just from human origin!
The only reason that you would you would include JWs here is because of the lies of people like our hosts. The FACT of the matter is that JWs have always been cessationists believing in closed canon we do not now nor have at any time regarded our leaders as prophets or saints or infallible, you will not find any buildings named after men or any commemorative statues or bust of any man hero worship is totally alien to JW culture the Lord JEHOVAH is our hero.
A counter argument you might hear for this: the Bible itself was created through personal revelations (the authors were inspired and moved by the Holy Spirit to speak the word of God). Exceptions could perhaps be Moses having the witness of the entire Jewish nation, and the Apostles having hundreds of witnesses to the risen Christ, but the majority of Scripture was from personal revelation. God authenticated Scripture through miracles and fulfilled prophecies, so it is very difficult to make this sort of argument without relying heavily on cessationism, which is also quite difficult to argue for. When properly understood, cessationist doctrine is fairly solid and convincing, but it's also extremely nuanced, and is often too complicated for people to understand. Thankfully, as far as I know, all of these false Christian religions shoot themselves in the foot with various failed prophecies, and by promoting strange doctrines which contradict Scripture. I do love what you said about the miraculous nature of Scriptrue though. Not trying to be discouraging. God bless!
Like I said JWs believe that all prophesying ended with the apostles of Christ and their contemporaries we base our beliefs exclusive on the bible. That is why we are named after the most high God JEHOVAH and not any man. That is why you would never find any commemorative statues or portraits of any man or any building named after any man on any church property. JEHOVAH is our hero and not any man. I am one hundred percent confident that I can defend my beliefs Sola scriptural.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849, okay, I'll bite. The NWT translates John 1:1-3 this way: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." Even with such a blasphemous translation, these verses still refute the JW teaching that Jesus was created. "ALL things came into existence through him (Jesus), and apart from him (Jesus) NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence." If all created things came into existence through Jesus, and no created things came into existence apart from Jesus, then it is a logical impossibility for Jesus to be something created that came into existence. The text clearly says that everything created was brought into existence by Jesus, and that nothing was created, or brought into existence, without Jesus creating it. I'm very curious to see the mental gymnastics required to believe the opposite of what your scripture says. I bet it starts with questioning what the text actually says (Gen. 3:1), and then proposing a new idea completely alien to the text, which also happens to contradict the text (Gen. 3:4). I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ delivers you from false teaching.
No mental gymnastics are required Cory only an adherence to scriptural precedent. For instance genesis3:20KJV"20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of ALL living." Likely you are not as quick to make a hard and fast application of your interpretative logic here. The bible routinely uses the word all with sensible exceptions,even as we do in every day speech. The verse uses a construction that is NEVER used of JEHOVAH when referring to his role in creation. It says that all things were created through(dia) from which we get word diameter the logos this denotes that the logos was not the originator of the information and energy manifest in the creation but JEHOVAH's chosen instrument in applying his power and wisdom. John1:17KJV"17For the law was given by (dia)Moses, ...." Obviously Moses was not the originator of the law but he was JEHOVAH's chosen intermediary in conveying it to the ancient Hebrews. Contrast that to the Bible's depiction of the role of the God and Father of Jesus in creation Acts17:24KJV"(the)God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that HE is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; " Revelation4:11KJV"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Denoting that he is the originator of all the information and energy manifest in the creation. We observe though that he uses earlier creations as raw materials or instrumentalities to produce later ones the logos is the point at which this process began.
I have a friend who is a Sda and they also do not believe in hell, that you will simply be none existent. So thank you for this series it will help with my witnessing.
That’s incorrect, SDAs do believe in hell as the Bible teaches it, so if you would like to offer a scripture then we can discuss it and find out what the Bible has to say about it
@April G death is eternal when you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, burning eternally iits not and it's against the nature of a loving God with His creation.
@ April G the atonement is accomplished by Christ enduring the penalty meant for us in our stead therefore if the penalty meant for us is eternal conscious torment Jesus' losing his physical body for three days would not suffice ,only his being made to suffer eternally would atone for our sins.
@April G the bible declares that the wages of sin is DEATH not me and that the one who has died is acquitted from sin. Romans6:23KKV"23For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." death is the opposite of life. Just as you did not exist before you were born you will not exist after you die that is the eternal punishment. Ecclesiastes3:20KJV"20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. " Romans6:7KJV"For he that is dead is freed from sin." because he has paid for his sins in full and is liable to no further punishment but to remain dead.
Not only is it weird to see a dating site promoted here, but to see this on an episode featuring 7th Day Adventism. They call it a "denomination." "Anyone is welcome to use Higher Bond! That being said, some of the more popular denominations include: Anglican/Episcopal Assemblies of God Baptist Catholic Congregational/Continental Lutheran Mennonite/Anabaptist Messianic Methodist Non-Denominational Orthodox Other Pentecostal Presbyterian Protestant Seventh-Day Adventist"
@@ureasmith3049 And SDA is not a Christian denomination. It's a different religion. Which is bad enough. But to promote this site on a video specifically speaking about SDA is even worse!
@@Yesica1993 I agree SDA not Christian and a different religion. I'm not sure what the Christian dating site has to do with it. It was just a sponsor of the Cultish podcast.
These ladies are spot on with what they say about the SDA church. I was a 3rd generation SDA, educated in the SDA schools and a local elder. I knew SDA theologians like Ed Thiele, I took Des Ford's class on Daniel at PUC. I left Adventism 22 years ago because of theology and have no regrets about leaving.
@@kupagaming5643 for starters they claim SDAs don’t believe in the trinity and divinity of Jesus and that is a lie. Jesus is one with the Father. They claim that we believe God has a body which is not true unless they are actually are using a smoke and mirrors trick. We believe Jesus became flesh as John says and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is God one with the Father and Holy Spirit. I guess they believe everyone that listens to their podcast is not going to do the research. Those lies are in the first 10 minutes.
@@kupagaming5643 smears to start with was calling EGW a cash cow. Read the Desire of the Ages. You will realize what fallacious lies have been spouted here.
@@dr.g1482 Thanks for your response. I know These two ladies - on the Trinity they say the SDA started as non tritarian and now have a version of Trinity that is not the orthodox version. If you research in the Andrews University library you will find a document called EG White and God, one, two or three by Denis Fortin. Also watch RC Sproul on Trinity freely available on TH-cam and the. Compare with the God Head theology of the SDA and you will see some differences. On God having a body - read the fundamental beliefs book on the subject and it will be apparent. Also here is a quotation from the SDA prophet in vision: I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus’ countenance and admired His lovely person. The Father's person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, “If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist.” Source: m.egwwritings.org/en/book/28.389 . End of Quote. Here is another reference for the evolution and current understanding of Trinity by the SDA: www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2012/04/ellen-white-and-the-personhood-of-the-holy-spirit. Let me know when you have checked EGW’s quote and compared SDA’s Trinity doctrine with orthodoxy as espoused by early fathers like Augustine and also check on the Armenian elements of the current SDA beliefs - use the 28 fundamentals book and all possible Adventist sources.
It was good, but lots of what appear to be statements with no support. Give us examples from White's writings to show what she believed. More evidence of what they actually said. Glad there is a part 2. Will give that a shot to see if they get more in depth.
I have SDA friends and am familiar with their teachings. I don't agree with the beliefs concerning E.G. White, and because of this, I do not attend the SDA church. But that said, in my discussions with members, never have I heard these teachings about the spirit or disbelief in the Trinity, as an example. This makes no sense, because the SDA church baptises in the name of Trinity, and their hymnbook has songs with mention of the Trinity. "Holy, Holy, Holy" is one of them. I don't know what these people on the show are talking about - at least where those points are concerned.
@@CraigRadala It's a sign that they the SDA church has been exposed. Quit trying to deflect. The bible talks about false prophets, but sda's always leave that verse out, for their own benefit
@@faitheternal3015 The church does believe in the Trinity. Now its true that in the 19th century some members denounced which led to a series of conferences which led to the church accepting that yes the Trinity is biblical and we have followed that belief ever since
(17:28- 18:07) hear say - citation is needed for this comment of your guest where she claims that the orthodox grew weary of the millerites and called the Christian’s babylon please.
1Timothy 4 :Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. Everything is good we're not bound. But if you choose not to eat that's fine. So long as you don't think you're holier than others or you're doing extra special works for your salvation. With love and peace -Donna
@@markdonnaabbott3977 Shalom Donna, I think you're misinterpreting the verse. "...require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." Here it's talking about food God said was good to eat (Leviticus 11:1-47) I haven't looked at this topic in a while so I searched what SDA say about this verse in particular and they make good points. One of them being it can't refer to Kosher as that was / is a teaching of God and not of demons.
@@rager4able shalom my friend. Leviticus is old covenant and for the Jews we are gentiles we were never part of that covenant. And it along with feasts and sacrificial system was to show the Jews what was wrong with their hearts and minds. When Jesus fulfilled it perfectly He gave us a new covenant and God gave us His Spirit which made us brand new creatures. But the new covenant says in Romans 14 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. So if we were to go out for lunch and I ate say bacon and you are convinced it is not good so therefore you do not touch it. I out of love for you would not eat that in front of you. But neither of us are any better for eating or not eating. We both serve the same Jesus. The rest of Romans 14 touches this. But you see with SDAs they believe Ellen was a prophet and these are her "visions", no pork no meat no seafood, no coffee etc etc but what she says contradicts what God said through His apostles and prophets. And that's the issue we have with that. And if you read Roman and Hebrews and Galatians majority of what sdas hold can be refuted with God's word. And they pressure you to abstain from meats according to their prophet, not according to what God says. Scripture says if we take part in the law any little part we must do all. And we can't. That's why Jesus came. Like I said before if you're convinced it is unclean for you, you're convinced there's nothing wrong with that. Your friend Donna Abbott
@@jonnbobo $$ 10% nope. Under new covenant 2 Corinthians 9:7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
When i was young in my faith and very zealous to root out false prophets, i remember finding one of Ellen G White writings and setting out to prove she was a false prophet. I at least wanted to see for myself and not believe what everyone else said but to try her myself. I remember skimming through a paragraph trying to find something off. I didn't. Then i skimmed through a few more and the more i read the more i became convicted. All i seen in her writings was Jesus. I was floored. I ended up buying a Spirit of Prophecy book and my life was never the same. I am not an SDA member but I do believe in the Seventh Day Sabbath and I am looking forward to the Second Advent of Christ. I do subscribe to the wise counsel in her writings but the bible is my chief study. This is what she says about the bible in one quote: The word of God is to stand as the highest educating book in our world, and is to be treated with reverential awe. It is our guidebook; we shall receive from it the truth. We need to present the Bible as the great lesson book to place in the hands of our children and youth, that they may know Christ, whom to know aright is life eternal. It is the book to be studied by those of middle age, and those who are aged. The word contains promises, warnings, encouragement, and assurances of the love of God to all who accept Him as their Saviour. Then place the holy word in their hands. Encourage them to search the word, and they will in so doing find hidden treasures of inestimable value to them in this present life, and in receiving Christ as the bread of life they have the promise of eternal life. FE 384.2 Here is a writing of hers about Jesus in the Desire of Ages: Jesus knows us individually, and is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. He knows us all by name. He knows the very house in which we live, the name of each occupant. He has at times given directions to His servants to go to a certain street in a certain city, to such a house, to find one of His sheep. DA 479.3 Every soul is as fully known to Jesus as if he were the only one for whom the Saviour died. The distress of every one touches His heart. The cry for aid reaches His ear. He came to draw all men unto Himself. He bids them, “Follow Me,” and His Spirit moves upon their hearts to draw them to come to Him. Many refuse to be drawn. Jesus knows who they are. He also knows who gladly hear His call, and are ready to come under His pastoral care. He says, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” He cares for each one as if there were not another on the face of the earth.
In 1845 Elder Israel Dammon, a Millerite adventist, faced charges by the State of Maine that he was a "vagabond and idle person," "a common railer or brawler," "neglecting his employment," "misspending his earnings" and did not "provide for the support" of himself or his family. His trial was reported, in abridged format, in the Piscataguis Farmer of Dover, Maine, March 7, 1845. The published record provides a fascinating contemporary account of some of the fanatical activities known to have been associated with certain ex-Millerite factions. What is of particular interest to Seventh-day Adventists is that the record mentions young Ellen Harmon (later White) as being present at one of the meetings. It should be noted that none of the witnesses in the record of Israel Dammon's trial allege any fanatical activity by 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. But the question arises whether Ellen Harmon's attendance at meetings where fanaticism was evident should be construed as an endorsement of such behavior. We think not. When the Lord instructed Ellen Harmon to relate her first vision (received December 1844) to the Advent believers, He did not exclude the fanatics from her ministry. Ellen White refers to numerous occasions when she was directed to bear her testimony to those mistakenly caught up with fanatical ideas and practices. For example: "In the period of disappointment after the passing of the time in 1844, fanaticism in various forms arose. Some held that the resurrection of the righteous dead had already taken place. I was sent to bear a message to those believing this, as I am now bearing a message to you [certain persons advocating strange doctrines in 1901]. They declared that they were perfected, that body, soul, and spirit were holy. They made demonstrations similar to those you have made, and confused their own minds and the minds of others by their wonderful suppositions. Yet these persons were our beloved brethren, and we were longing to help them. I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34). Ellen Harmon's association with Israel Dammon at this time may also be understood in light of the fact that while most Millerites had rejected their past experience, he was among a handful of leaders who still believed that Bible prophecy had been fulfilled in 1844--one of the few who would listen to the message of Ellen Harmon's first vision.
It's interesting that you mentioned "selected messages bk 2"🤔... Because in selected messages bk 1 we see how this so-called messenger of god took the writings of others yet claimed it all came directly from God. ELLEN G WHITE: If you refuse to believe until every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of doubt is removed, you will never believe. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith. Faith rests upon evidence, not demonstration. The Lord requires us to obey the voice of duty, when there are other voices all around us urging us to pursue an opposite course. It requires earnest attention from us to distinguish the voice which speaks from God." (EGW, Selected Messages, bk. l, p. 27.) Now, compare....... DANIEL MARCH: "We must not defer our obedience till every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of mistake is removed. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith, for faith rests upon probability, not demonstration.... We must obey the voice of duty when there are many other voices crying against it, and it requires earnest heed to distinguish the one which speaks for God." (Daniel March, Night Scenes in the Bible; Philadelphia: Zeigler, McCurdy & Co., 1823; p88) HERE WE SEE THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT 👆....
@@nicetry620 These accusations have already been answered by the EGW Estate. Joel. I quote: "Because she included such selections from other authors in her writings, critics have charged Ellen White with plagiarism. But the mere use of another's language does not constitute literary theft, as noted by Attorney Vincent L. Ramik, a specialist in patent, trademark, and copyright cases. After researching about 1,000 copyright cases in American legal history, Ramik issued a 27-page legal opinion in which he concluded "Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy." Ramik points out several factors that critics of Ellen White's writings have failed to take into account when accusing her of literary theft or deceit. 1) Her selections "stayed well within the legal boundaries of 'fair use.'" 2) "Ellen White used the writings of others; but in the way she used them, she made them uniquely her own"--adapting the selections into her own literary framework. 3) Ellen White urged her readers to get copies of some of the very books she made use of--demonstrating that she did not attempt to conceal the fact of her use of literary sources, and that she had no intention to defraud or supersede the works of any other author." "Ellen White "did not copy wholesale or without discrimination. What she selected or did not select, and how she altered what she selected" reveals that she used literary sources "to amplify or to state more forcefully her own transcending themes; she was the master, not the slave, of her sources" (Herbert E. Douglass, Messenger of the Lord, p. 461)".
@@JonDorsett SDA THEOLOGIAN ROBERT BRIMSMEAD: "It is true that there is evidence of literary borrowing by different biblical authors. But in such cases they used material that was the heritage and common property of the covenantal community. It was not private property, and there was no pretense of originality. With Mrs. White, however, the circumstances were much different. Without acknowledgment she used the literary product of those outside her own religious community, copyrighted it, and demanded royalties both for herself and her children. Right and wrong are to some extent historically conditioned, but we do not have to surmise the literary ethics demanded in Mrs. White's day. The facts are not ambiguous. She did not conform to acceptable literary practices." Robert Brinsmead, Adventist Theologian, "Judged by the Gospel", p. 172
@@nicetry620 Brimsmead isn't an Adventist theologian. He is a former Adventist turned farmer. Yet, on matters of plagiarism, one who specializes in the matters of patent, trademark, and copyright cases would be able to give a more reliable commentary. Which is why I supplied the statement from Attorney Vincent L. Ramik.
@@JonDorsett Did Brinsmead not enroll in theology at Avondale College in 1955 when he was in his mid-twenties? Do your homework. But if that's not enough... Donald McAdams, president of Southwestern Adventist College: "The historical portions of The Great Controversy that I have examined are selective abridgments and adaptations of historians. Ellen White was not just borrowing paragraphs here and there that she ran across in her reading, but in fact following the historians page after page, leaving out much material, but using their sequence, some of their ideas, and often their words. In the examples I have examined I have found no historical fact in her text that is not in their text. The hand-written manuscript on John Huss follows the historian so closely that it does not even seem to have gone through an intermediary stage, but rather from the historian's printed page to Mrs. White's manuscript, including historical errors and moral exhortations." Donald R. McAdams, "Shifting Views of Inspiration", Spectrum (magazine) 10, No. 4 (March 1980) p. 34
I heard a historian say that in the days of Joan of Arc and the Hundred Years War, there were several young women in France claiming to have "visions from God." It is quite notable in history where people demand a deviation from Christian doctrine through a "new vision" or "prophecy."
My dad's family is sda and my Dad is the only one who left for brethren in Christ church.i was born in BICC but in my childhood would attend sda when visiting my grandparents or aunties.i had no issues with it (still somewhat don't have any issues with it) but i dated a guy who is sda and he was very inclined to the rules of what to eat and keeping the Sabbath holy he came off a bit judgy about anyone who isnt sda. So i always wondered why didn't he just date an sda lady because what ultimately broke the relationship was the whole debate about baptism. He said if we get married i have to be baptized again to be accepted as sda and i was confused cause of I'm baptized according to the word of God(full immersion of water just like Christ) then why should i do it again so that im accepted in the church. He was also very adamant in the whole idea of me wearing skirts and dresses and it really got to me because it just felt more like all about the rules and not the actual relationship with God and growing in that aspect. It really translated to me as a control thing like if you eat meat or wear pants then you are bad 😞
The Sabbath School quarterly is for Bible study by Adventists and anyone interested, and Bible lessons taught at Sabbath School (vs. Sunday School) and discussed by members and guests in attendance at church services.
(9:23-58) The Christian Connection was a Christian movement in the United States of America that developed in several places during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, composed of members who separated from other Christian denominations namely the Baptists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and Methodists. It was influenced by settling the frontier as well as the formation of the new United States and its separation from Great Britain. The Christian Connection professed no creed, instead relying strictly on the Bible. In practice, members coalesced around shared theological concepts such as an Arminian theological anthropology (doctrine of human nature), a rejection of the Calvinist doctrine of election, and an autonomous church government. The Connection's periodical, the Herald of Gospel Liberty (first published on September 1, 1808), was among the first religious journals published in the United States. They later merged with the National Council of the Congregational Churches, to become the Congregational Christian Church. They then merged with the Evangelical and Reformed Church, and became the United Church of Christ…. Through the 1830s and 1840s, practical difficulties associated with the movement's attempt at radical reform led to an erosion of the anti-organizational principles developed by Jones, Smith and others… Many of the movement's publications were produced by the Christian Publishing Association, based in Dayton, Ohio… A disproportionate number of Christian Connection preachers in New England were involved in the eschatological stir fueled by speculations of [Baptist] William Miller. No fewer than seven of the 16 signatories to the 1840 call for an Adventist general conference were Connection preachers. Many members left the Connection in the mid-1840s, populating emerging denominations such as the Seventh-day Adventists and the Advent Christians…. The Second Great Awakening was a Protestant religious revival during the early 19th century in the United States. The Second Great Awakening, which spread religion through revivals and emotional preaching, sparked a number of reform movements. Revivals were a key part of the movement and attracted hundreds of converts to new Protestant denominations. The Methodist Church used circuit riders to reach people in frontier locations. The Second Great Awakening led to a period of antebellum social reform and an emphasis on salvation by institutions. The outpouring of religious fervor and revival began in Kentucky and Tennessee in the 1790s and early 1800s among the Presbyterians, Methodists and Baptists. It led to the founding of several well known colleges, seminaries, and mission societies. Historians named the Second Great Awakening in the context of the First Great Awakening of the 1730s and 1750s and of the Third Great Awakening of the late 1850s to early 1900s… New religious movements emerged during the Second Great Awakening, such as Adventism, Dispensationalism, and the Latter Day Saint movement. Like the First Great Awakening a half century earlier, the Second Great Awakening in North America reflected Romanticism characterized by enthusiasm, emotion, and an appeal to the supernatural. It rejected the skepticism, deism, Unitarianism, and rationalism left over from the American Enlightenment, about the same time that similar movements flourished in Europe. Pietism was sweeping Germanic countries and evangelicalism was waxing strong in England. The Second Great Awakening occurred in several episodes and over different denominations; however, the revivals were very similar. As the most effective form of evangelizing during this period, revival meetings cut across geographical boundaries. The movement quickly spread throughout Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee, and southern Ohio, as well as other regions of the United States and Canada. Each denomination had assets that allowed it to thrive on the frontier. The Methodists had an efficient organization that depended on itinerant ministers, known as circuit riders, who sought out people in remote frontier locations. The circuit riders came from among the common people, which helped them establish rapport with the frontier families they hoped to convert. The Advent Movement emerged in the 1830s and 1840s in North America, and was preached by ministers such as William Miller, whose followers became known as Millerites. The name refers to belief in the soon Second Advent of Jesus (popularly known as the Second coming) and resulted in several major religious denominations, including Seventh-day Adventists and Advent Christians. Now Bates was a radical Garrisonian abolitionist. Unlike some abolitionists who were committed solely to the immediate abolition of slavery and had little interest as to the fate of blacks after that, Bates was also an outspoken advocate for equal rights for the oppressed. Though there were many notable antecedents, historians often attribute the rise of the immediate abolition movement (“immediatism”) to William Lloyd Garrison (1805-1879), who began to publish The Liberator, a weekly paper dedicated to immediatism, in Boston in 1831. One year later, Garrison assisted in organizing the New England Anti-Slavery Society (renamed the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in 1835) and in 1833 he co-founded the American Anti-Slavery Society-the first national society devoted to the immediate abolition of slavery in America. Garrison insisted that true Christians could not support the national government or established churches because they sanctioned slavery through law and fellowshipped with people who upheld the “peculiar institution.” In addition to advocating political and ecclesiastical comeouterism, Garrison’s broad-based peace platform also included promotion of pacifism and equal rights for blacks and women. Bates actively supported all of Garrison’s reforms and defended him publicly during the abolition schism of the late 1830s and early 1840s. In the early 1830s, before he accepted immediate abolitionism, Bates had been an advocate of colonization. Propagated by the American Colonization Society (ASC), this scheme claimed it would gradually eliminate the problem of slavery by compensating slaveholders for their “property” while also making America white by shipping former slaves (most commonly) back to Africa. Many abolitionists had begun their anti-slavery reform in colonization circles, but beginning in the late 1820s, Garrison began to expose the ASC for what it was: a racist cause that actually perpetuated slavery by directly funding it. As he did so, northerners began to propagandize Garrison as a dangerous threat to national peace and northern respectability. Joshua V. Himes, a close friend and colleague of Garrison’s, convinced Bates-also Himes’ close friend-that colonization was morally bankrupt and that Garrison had the right solution. But immediatism was a very radical scheme in antebellum America and most northerners scorned Garrisonians and sometimes inflicted violence upon them. In October 1835, for example, Garrison was nearly lynched by an angry mob in Boston. After working closely with Garrison for three years, however, Himes was convinced that it was worth the risk to follow Garrison because he “fearlessly and faithfully” exposed the sin of slavery and exhorted Americans “to an immediate repentance.” In February 1835, as Bates became attracted to Garrisonian abolition, Himes encouraged him to resolve “to support Mr. G. in all his efforts to disenthral [sic] and elevate the colored race.” Convinced of a newfound moral duty, Bates fervently committed himself to Garrisonian abolition. The Garrisonians also immediately accepted Bates into their circle. Joseph and Prudence Bates regularly hosted traveling abolitionists in their home, including Samuel J. May, one of Garrison’s closest friends and confidants. In fact, in April 1835-barely two months after Bates’ conversion to immediatism-May referred to Bates in The Liberator as “our zealous fellow-laborer, Capt. Joseph Bates.” Read more at: adventistreview.org/joseph-bates-and-adventisms-radical-roots/
Hi. I'm a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm interested in what critics of the church say and come up with. I agree with most of what you said about SDA's and their leaders. I do believe that SDA's follow the Bible more closely than other denominations. Blessings.
@@dwightwilliams311 The word angel means messenger. Michael means "one who is like God." The only arch angel revealed in scripture is Michael. Michael most likely is another one of Jesus many names throughout scripture. Blessings.
Dear friends I am SDA. I was raised SDA. I struggled with the SDA message for some time but through study and prayer I intellectually continue in this faith and not with “blind devotion. It is my prayer you will with open mind read what I have to say in response to these episodes. The first question I have is why are these “SDA experts” featured? Why is not a current SDA member on the panel for discussion? Over the years I’ve been exposed to individuals such as these ladies and rarely can an objective discussion ensue due to overwhelming bias. In fact the majority of the “facts” presented here are skewed to fit their narrative. Where is the balance? It is clear the Apologia hosts have already made up their minds before the conversation could even give anyone the opportunity to make an informed decision? Where are the biblical texts to back up the information presented? Where are the historical documents? We should have learned over the past few years,in particular, that ad hominem,“character” attacks should alert to the fact something is amiss; this is exactly what’s going on here. It should also be noted that anyone who’s “ministry” is for the primary purpose of discrediting a group might ought to raise some eyebrows as well. Aren’t there usually two sides to a story? For instance they call attention to “insider” Sabbath school lessons and other written materials. The sole purpose for this is to make it seem secret or insider or cultish; these “experts” would have you believe there is some conspiratorial information ONLY for SDAs. I find this laughable. A simple Google search and you’ll find this “insider” information. The fact is anyone can acquire these items at adventistbookcenter.com/ and most of it on Amazon; not so insider… These “experts” would have you believe Adventists hold some distorted view of the soul when in fact we hold the biblical view of soul sleep. (Ecc. 9:5) www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead- They would have you believe the Sabbath doesn’t matter. (Ex 20:8-11). They poke fun at the idea of a great controversy between Christ and Satan. But doesn’t the Bible introduce such an idea in Genesis 3:1? Did God really say? (Questioning God’s authority); What about Satan presenting himself in the councils of God regarding Job (Is anyone loyal to God?) Job 1:6-12); Lucifer wanting to ascend to the heavens (Be like the Most High) Isa. 14:14; The temptations of Christ (who will you worship?) Matt 4:1-11; Or how about Michael and his angels? (physical battle) Rev 12:7. Do these not at least allude to a struggle? Paul admonishes us not to forget we do not fight against flesh and blood (Eph 6:12). What about Christ sweating as it were great drops of blood in Gethsemane? Is that only from physical strain or perhaps He’s become the Sacrifice and the sins of the world are laid upon His head? Lk 22:44 There is spiritual battle. 1 Peter 5:8-9. Again I ask is it too hard to believe in a controversy between Christ and Satan? If that’s not too much of a stretch then ask yourself why do these experts along with the hosts of Cultish poke fun; ad hominem. I would suggest reading The Great Controversy for yourself with Bible in hand. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132.2?ss=eyJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJUaGUgZ3JlYXQgY29udHJvdmVyc3kgIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIn0sInNnX2luZGV4IjoiMCJ9#2 They would have you believe William Miller came up with a “theory” of a day for a year to back up his end time predictions. A day for a year is not his “theory” but is in fact supported by the Bible itself. 1844madesimple.org/year-day-principle/ Another point. Does not Apologia Church hold to sola scriptura ( I’m not trying to attack this church; the question needs to be asked)? If so then why do it’s pastors not teach Sabbath observance? Did not God say, “Remember the Sabbath day…? (Ex 20:8-11) Is there any biblical text(s) giving evidence to authority to remember the Sunday? Did Christ come to abolish the law or fulfill it? (Matt 5:17-20) Which law did he come to fulfill? Is Christ not the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? (Rev 13:8); Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system. He did not nail the Decalogue to the cross. Jesus has identified His faithful remnant as those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus (Rev 12:17). He did not say keep part or almost or do away with one of the commandments or it’s okay to keep a human tradition ( because it commemorates His resurrection)…no He has said if you love me keep commandments. (Jn 14:15). Nowhere in my Bible is there mention of commemorating His resurrection day on Sunday. I am not admonished in my Bible anywhere to honor a man made custom in lieu of. I just can’t find it anywhere and if evidence can be shown to the contrary I’d happily keep Sunday if that is God’s command. So why do Protestants keep Sunday? By what authority? Where is the command found? These questions need to be asked. Have you looked at the history regarding Sunday keeping? Do some digging. Here’s an interesting article written some time ago. www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/ In fact further historical study regarding the Reformation leads to the Council of Trent. You may be shocked as to what was decided. And this may be hard to read but the council found the Protestant Reformation an unwarranted revolt. Why? Because they claimed the scripture alone as sole authority but Protestants stated in the Augsburg Confession they keep the “Lord’s Day” as appointed by the Church (Catholic). Thus the Council of Trent ruled the Reformation as nothing more than a revolt. And look what happened in October 2016; Protestants have gone into ecumenical council with Pope Francis in effect handling over the what remains of the Reformation. You can read more about here: www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/the-council-of-trent And: amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/reformation-luther-pope-francis-catholics This is a vast subject and I could say a lot more but please do not take my word for it. This may discredit everything I’ve said thus far but what’s been presented here is false information and false teachings. These well intending individuals are leading folks down the wrong road. Please. Please. Do your own study. I’ve provide links; you can start there. And I’ll provide a few more resources below. At the very least read the first chapter of The Desire of Ages, entitled, God with Us. Use your Bible compare this chapter with scripture . I challenge you to see if this is “cultish”. If that’s not convincing enough read the whole book or The Great Controversy along with your Bible. There’s no insider, secret information here. Read and study for yourself. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/130.21#21 Resources: www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/ m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc rumble.com/vmod4z-wup-66-futurism-dispensationalism-antichrist-and-mark-of-the-beast-indonesi.html
Did you mention the fundamental beliefs and vows? And how egw writings are placed EQUAL to scripture.... Let's see here 🧐... Vow #8: "I ACCEPT the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of the REMNANT CHURCH." Now let's see what fundamental belief #18 has to say about the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH 🤔.... FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18 One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH and was MANIFESTED in the ministry of ELLEN G. WHITE. (SO.... here we see that as a member of the REMNANT CHURCH you MUST vow to ACCEPT the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED in ELLEN G WHITES writings) Now let's see what the spirit of prophecy herself has to to say about her writings.... ELLEN G WHITE: We "MUST" follow the directions given through the spirit of prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy." (Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298)
@KING2RETURN My comments present sources, "smarty"....the official SDA statements of beliefs. You on the other hand can't seem to produce not "ONE". But I get it, you can't back your claims up.. so you point in a different direction attempting to distract the situation 🥱.... typical troll activity.
@KING2RETURN I already presented the official SDA statements of beliefs (sources)... So are you going to easily refute me, or continue to talk like a genius? Last I checked the apostles DEBATED against those teaching a different gospel and ultimately died for doing so in the name of Jesus, against unreasonable people.... Yet here you are responding for that third time running around the bush, like the coward you are. Like I said.... trolls are exposed by refusing to debate. Anyone can drop a bunch of links and expect others to read through all that material like it means something.... Few will bring the source and HIGHLIGHT the power points that contradict the entire system. I've specifically pointed to two statements that contradict the entire SDA church.....yet the coward in you can't produce a response based on sources directly from the fundamentals that refute me.....I understand, you can't, plain and simple. So your next response will be full of baseless opinions with One statement to back anything up
@KING2RETURN Nice, you've totally refuted me on this one 😏.. For providing a perfect example of what a troll is, responding with this 👆 Not one source to justify anything, just saying that my information is wrong without any form of justification. Typical 😏🥱
@KING2RETURN So then the answer is yes, Ellen G White's writings are to be held EQUAL to scripture. At least you admitted it. Placing her writings EQUAL to scripture 😏 SMH The only thing, is that she took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God. Which is against Deuteronomy 18:20 ELLEN G WHITE: And here I would state that although I am dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen ARE MY OWN, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of quotation." (Review and Herald, Oct. 8, 1867) LET'S CONTINUE.... WHITE ESTATES: The great bulk of her comments deal only with the divine source of her material and tend to deny the influence of human thought and opinion. And, thus, while we have no problem with the fact that Mrs. White did borrow, we do wonder why she appears to have DENIED her borrowing." Ron Graybill, Associate in the White Estate, Nov 1981 speaking to the Adventist Forum Board LET'S CONTINUE...... James White: "If Mrs. White has gathered the facts from a human mind in a single case she has in thousands of cases, and God has not shown her these things which she has written in these personal testimonies." (James White, Life Sketches (1880),
It would be very instructive for every modern day SDA to look into the trial of Israel Damon and descriptions of the spiritualism and fanaticism that existed in these meetings Ellen White participated in. As well the whole idea of the Orion nebula, i have seen the video put out by the Adventist media group regarding this and interestingly enough the "New Jerusalem" was portrayed as a Pyramid rather then the measurements described in the book of Revelation. It is basically an extension of the ancient Egyptian belief of the "region more enlightened" in Orion. Another observation on Grace is that when grace is presented to an Adventist from a Biblical perspective, they dismiss it and call it "cheap grace" because it does not conform to their belief in justification by works
@@annettemacintosh117 keeping the sabbath for your salvation is works, spiritual works, law-keeping over grace. And the rest from physical works was merely a shadow of the substance, rest from spiritual works of commandment observance for salvation, and accept the true rest, in Christ.
Ellen G. White, whatever her shortcomings, is a collective center of people who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists. If religion’s role in society is to bind people through the power of utterance or writings, Ellen white has already accomplished that goal. She may not have united all Christians but Mrs. White has significantly helped to create a community of millions of the faithful. She gave encouragement to people who were deeply disappointed following the failure of William Miller’s prophecies. In that way, she has served humanity. As a Baha’i interested in human unity, I celebrate Mrs. White’s achievement.
The problem is that her and her husband's teachings lead to people calling themselves remnant and dooming everyone to hell, including Bahai faith practitioners like yourself. She was also a massive hypocrite who ate pork and oysters while telling her followers to not do so, and to only buy her books (which allowed the Whites to become millionaires). The denomination was founded as a grift and a grift it is.
There may be secondary disagreements about eschatological differences, but if you differ from apologia studios, you best disagree quietly and to yourself.
This was very informative. Even though I read Kingdom of the Cults as a kid (yeah, I was weird), I tended to focus more on JWs and Mormons, because I had classmates of those religions. We did have some close neighbors who were SDA, and my mom seemed to embrace them as fellow Christians who just had some different practices. It makes sense, though, because my mom was raised in the Church of God, a Pentecostal offshoot. In fact, I couldn’t help but note the similarities between Mary Ellen White’s “visions” and the shenanigans that modern-day hyper-Charismatic pastors and online “prophets” try and pull.
@@martinduplooy259 Tell the World is produced by the SDA church. Nikki and Colleen were correct. I was SDA from ages 24-52. I read a lot of EGW, my husband was a a generational SDA, went to all of the their schools through 4 years of college, and taught in the SDA school system for 25+ years. The SDA doctrines are unbiblical and EGW is a false prophet.
@@mimiwest3256 yes and they were Abraham's seed, in fact if you are circumcised you are also part of Abraham's seed, and circumcised by the heart is also part of Abraham's seed. So if you repent and baptised and follow Jesus (let him change your character) you are a spiritual Jew. So the Sabbath is a sign between him and you. Hope this is a blessing on to you.
Yea!! Thank you so much. This is great as i have been wading through the 7th day Adventists abhorrent doctrine with my Bio family for years now. I look forward to yet more ways to reach them in thier lostness with the reality of Jesus Christ. Cheers!
I am an ex-mormon. I think I heard that Ellen G. White had a first cousin who was a Mormon, and she quotes the BofM in her writings as her own, and one of her visions follows a story in the BofM. So there IS a connection there.
Great informative discussion. Thank you to the guests for bringing out their knowledge and personal experience. It has to be hard to discuss these issues if you lived through them because of the underlying trauma I’m sure exists. I also appreciated the B.I.T.E method discussed which seems to be prevalent in all cults/cultish organizations.
Was talking to an sda pastor last week and asked him about their belief of satan and 1/3rd of Angel's falling before creation and he said it was not in scropture as much as it is supported by the great controversy context.
It’s the Book of Enoch..says 1/3 also says 200 fallen angel Nephilim. Most pastors don’t know this because they do stick to the 66 Books but they don’t know that evil Vatican was the origination of taking Bible books out of the Bible to hide them from humanity.
@@SolaScriptura21 God-ordained and legitimate in the eyes of historical truths that align with biblical truth. It should be included in the canon of the Bible, but of course the evil Vatican wants to control what we can read and what we know, because they have now instituted themselves as God himself and place them selves on the same pedestal. Evil Vatican
People do not understand the investigative judgment, because they do not study the plan of salvation, as giving in the sanctuary message in the Old Testament. Which every New Testament believer, according to Hebrews 8:1 need to know.
I went to the 7th day eventist church for a little while and did some of there bible studies and didn't know how scripturally twisted they were until now. I am a Lutheran presently.
Yes, we believe that Satan is the scapegoat. No, we do not believe that he helped achieve our salvation. And yes if that were true it would be disgusting. But it isn't so it's not.
In the OT sanctuary example the sin if the people were placed on the scapegoat. This scapegoat was led to the wilderness never to be seen again. It was only symbolic of what happens to our sin. The scapegoat represented Satan, obviously. The symbolismin this is not that Satan is taking our sin on him, rather, sin and the *originator* of sin will both come to an end.
@@Stefan-X24 not its not satan. The scapegoat was for azazel whos dominion was in the desert. He was the lord of the dead. The scapegoat was sent into the desert, as to bring sin and all unholiness out of the land of God cause their land needed to be holy.
@@lincolnliking then you need to study Leviticus 16 better. Leviticus 16:5 says BOTH goats are a part of a singular sin offering. You guys want to try and say in the type both goats represented the sin offering, but in the antitype only the "lord's goat" is a part of the sin offering, the scapegoat is Satan. Make up your mind.
Here's 2 quotes of Ellen G White 🙂🙏🙏🙏 "The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall." Ellen G. White "Education Ch 7 Paragraph 20"🙂🙏🙏🙏 "Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves. He was condemned for our sins, in which He had no share, that we might be justified by His righteousness, in which we had no share. He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His. “With His stripes we are healed.” Isaiah 53:5." Ellen G White The Desire of Ages 🙂🙏🙏🙏 She never differs one iota from the King James Version of the Bible 🙂🙏🙏🙏
Ellen White contradicts the Bible over 50 times. Here are two examples: “Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. Every one should be taught to cherish hope and faith; but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that He accepts us, we are not beyond the reach of temptation. God's word declares, ‘Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried.’ Dan. 12:10. Only he who endures the trial will receive the crown of life. (James 1:12.)” (COL 155.1) 2. “We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, ‘I am saved.’ When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayers, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say, ‘I am saved’ (1SM 314.2).
And here are two more: Did pre-flood humans mate with animals and give birth to new sub-human species and races? EGW: YES "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64). EGW: YES "Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 75). BIBLE: NO Gen 1:24 - 25 (NIV) 24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. Five times in these two verses God states that animals can only reproduce according "to their own kinds." Horses cannot mate with birds and produce offspring -- neither can humans mate with monkeys and produce offspring. Even SDA scientists and the Ellen White Estate admit EGW was simply wrong. Was the tower of Babel built before the flood? EGW: YES "This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 301). BIBLE: NO Gen 9:28, 11:4 (NIV) 28After the flood ... they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth" Note: This was one of the first EGW contradictions that SDAs found and corrected. They claimed it was just a typographical error, forgetting that EGW claimed the "very word" she wrote came from God! When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given to me (Selected Messages, vol. 3, pp. 51,52). 1907). I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating or writing the vision as in having the vision (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, p. 293).
@@JessicaPottorff030612 Your accusations around the amalgamation of animals and beasts seems to revolve around your inability to understand English. You're implying what isn't there.
@@JessicaPottorff030612 I need to look into the Babel quotes but if your other accusations are systemic of the type of accusations you're making I assume your also wrong on the Babel quote.
What's crazy is the correlation with Dispensational Theology that ALL these cults come out of. Can't wait for the Dispensational Cult to be on this show.
Very interesting! I didn’t know the connection with dispensationaism. I grew up in CCCU and the book Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin was a staple in our home. I’d like to hear more about this as well. I mistakenly wrote Charles, but it’s Clarence….
@@jenniferbtoo9344 I've been writing a book for a while now, but it just keeps getting deeper lol - a good source I found is A W. Pink and his 95 thesis of dispensationalism, he wrote this essay paper in the 1920s or 30s.
So I heard the claim that the Torah movement (Hebrew Roots) came out SDA and honestly the more I learn about it, the more I believe there is merit to that claim.
They were advertising a dating sight and having a good old gossip session. And these guys are concerned about a group of people that teach, love God, and love their neighbors through the keeping of God's commandments. Go figure; the Cultish guys teach lawlessness and the keeping of man-made holy days (that aren't holy days)-blind leading the blind.
@@dr.g1482 So now we are going to start the whole pronoun thing 😏.... should have known you were one of those. Sin is what "YOU" do daily?.....yes or no?
@@calvindonaldson9879 Else Jr. Lauriston was a gang member and never appreciated anything Adventists did to help him. He is a lost soul who eats disgusting pork and rants false teachings.
@@annettemacintosh117 EJ Lauriston was a former SDA pastor that was well grounded in the teachings of Ellen G. White. While studying Greek, he found a substantial amount of errors in her writings when interpreting scripture in Greek.
(10:00- 16) The Restoration Movement began about 1800 by Protestants who wished to unify Christians after the pattern of the primitive New Testament church. Restorationism is an indigenous American religious movement that avoids creeds, declaring “no creed but Christ” in the hopes of bringing all Christians into accord with the New Testament pattern described in the book of Acts. Today numerous congregations in Georgia exist as the result of the Restoration Movement. It began in several places on the frontiers in Kentucky and southwest Pennsylvania. The success of the Cane Ridge Revival (a Kentucky camp meeting) persuaded Barton Warren Stone, who had taught school in Georgia, that all denominations needed to work together in order to reap the harvest of souls on the frontier. Together with several other ministers, he organized the “Christian” (or restoration) movement. In 1807 Thomas Campbell, a Presbyterian minister of the Seceder Presbyterian Church of Scotland, immigrated to America. He had by this time adopted the idea of restoring the primitive church of the New Testament. After he was suspended from his Presbyterian ministry for practicing open communion, he formed the Christian Association of Washington (in Washington County, Pennsylvania). In 1809 he published Declaration and Address, a treatise rejecting denominationalism. That same year Campbell’s son Alexander joined him in Pennsylvania after completing his studies at the University of Glasgow in Scotland, where he had learned about the ideas of James Alexander Haldane and Robert Haldane regarding restorationism. The Christian Association of Washington was reconstituted as the Brush Run Church, and by the summer of 1812 Alexander Campbell believed that the New Testament mode of baptism was by immersion. The Campbells joined the Redstone Baptist Association in 1813. The younger Campbell then began preaching and debating publicly throughout Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, and western Virginia. In 1832 the “Campbellites,” or Disciples of Christ, as they preferred to call themselves, joined with the “Christians,” or followers of Stone, at Lexington, Kentucky, and grew rapidly. However, half of Stone’s group did not join the new group, forming instead a Christian fellowship that merged nearly a century later, in 1931, with the (Puritan) Congregational Church (part of the United Church of Christ since 1957). In 1849 the Disciples organized the American Christian Missionary Society. The Restoration Movement’s motto, “Where the Scriptures speak, we speak; where the Scriptures are silent, we are silent,” however, led strict restorationists to oppose missionary societies, because the Bible does not explicitly advocate the use of missionaries. As liberal theology, which encourages the inclusion of modern concepts in and the individual interpretation of religious doctrine, spread in the latter part of the nineteenth century, tensions developed within the movement. Schism became official in Religious Bodies, a document first issued in 1906 by the U.S. Census Bureau, which listed the strict restorationists as the churches of Christ separately from the Disciples of Christ. By 1927 the independent Disciples of the “brotherhood” (a term used to avoid “denomination”) who wanted to escape the growing centralization and liberalism of the movement formed the North American Christian Convention. By 1971 they were listed in the Yearbook of American Churches as the Christian Churches and Churches of Christ. www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/arts-culture/restoration-movement/
I was standing outside, when Coleen spoke of Orion so I looked at it. A shooting star streaked from the Belt at that moment. It's a sign! Um, no... But what a coincidence. 🙏
I was in the SDA Church from about 10 years old till I was around 21. I fell away not really because of doctrine or because it is a false church. My following always was more because of a false conversion. However I always knew something wasn’t quite right. In a lot of ways after looking back it did very much feel like a Cult. I would have considered myself pretty well studied in the SDA beliefs and history. However later, and including today after watching this I realize that what I was taught was Not The entire story. The church was very legalistic and harsh. I honestly, looking back, cannot ever remember a sermon or teaching on Grace. Was never told that we were unable to be good enough to keep the law. But I do very much for a member the stringent rules surrounding Sabbath keeping and what we ate as a means to be good enough to make it to heaven. I do remember being taught that the church was God‘s remnant Church and that Ellen White was a prophet who’s writings were equal to scripture. I also remember the manipulation and mental abuse that was rampant in the church. I know it’s not exclusive to this denomination, but there was also a very alarming case of sexual aabuse. i’m in my mid 40s now. It has been within the last five years that I found my way back to God and heard the true gospel and realizing that I had a false conversion and been a part of a cult.
You are absolutely correct in your views of Adventism. My husband and I left about 20 years ago. He was a generational SDA and taught in their schools. It is legalistic, unbiblical in their unique doctrines, and I too really never heard the Gospel. C hurch was always, "I'm so thankful for the Sabbbath". The Sabbath was always the main thing!
From my understanding while I was a SDA is they do teach about grace. Grace through faith. And that it isn't necessarily your actions that save you but they are fruit of your faith. Your "works" are a evidence of your faith another words. Faith without works is dead. I do feel like they do have a lot right but there is a lot I don't agree on. This is why I left the church
@@mimiwest3256 agree it always irked me "happy sabbath" like seriously... Sabbath points to our eternal rest in Jesus. But then again they believe Michael is Jesus so false christ false gospel. It's so so sad I pray they will find the true meaning of grace through Christ...
@@rager4able lovely, I like your comment, it’s genuine. Please may I know what it is in the Bible doctrines that Seventh day Adventists teach, that you find challenging so that I might understand..thank you
@@mimiwest3256 the Sabbath is the main thing because God has made it the main thing see Revelation 14:7,12 God has elevated the Sabbath not to harm us but to reconcile us to Himself, He is trying the best way possible to call His people away from the tree of death which in this case is the so called “Christian sabbath” which will be the destruction of many many souls. We must always listen to what we are told or read in scripture to hear Gods voice speaking to us in order to save us because that’s the only reason why God keeps on sharing His sabbath truth which is growing louder and louder and louder by the day, it’s almost all one hears these days because Jesus is coming soon, do you really want to be found denying that He is the creator God and our redeemer by your practise of disobedience? Doesn’t Hebrews 5:9 say that salvation is for those who obey God?
Thanks for this information. I'm still working my way through this. This is one group I've never known much about. There's an SDA church building a few blocks from me. I was so alone and so desperate in 2020-21 that I seriously considered walking in. I decided against it because I didn't know enough about them. Plus, the people I saw going in & out were masked anyway. I likely wouldn't have been allowed inside, just like I wasn't allowed in my own church.
The best way to find out what someone believes is to ask them. Not to ask someone else about what they believe. Do unto others as you’d have them do to you.
I go to an adventist Church they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. When they do they just kind of quote some of her writings which aren't unbiblical in her opinions. I never once heard them talk about her being a prophet or visions and all this other stuff. I think the whole "Seven Day Adventist is a Cult" is not only extremely exaggerated it's just flat out wrong. Seven Day Adventist are just your run of the mill Trinitarian Christians. Here's a thing to you must understand about seven-day Adventist Is each church is granted a lot of autonomy. So one church might be like full-on Ellen G White Cult. No Meat, No smoking, No Coffee, Every Woman has to wear long dresses etc. Then another Church is just regular folks and they eat meat and drink coffee
@@starcityrc3298 I understand but the facts are these, she made false prophecies and literally taught damnable doctrines , and the SDA church is her creation. All SDA church awknoledge her, wether it be hardline cultist SDA churches, or moderate SDA churches like yours. Her teachings are anti biblical , doesn't matter if they don't bring her up much in your church or bring her up only a little bit, a little bit of leaven leavens the WHOLE lump. Just go to a different church . GO to a Baptist church or non denominational , or free church , or any other bible based church that's not based on a man or woman.
@@starcityrc3298 I struggled with the same thought process too. I have several Christian friends who are adventists and who I would say by their fruit have been born again. The hook line and sinker for me was the doctrines that the church subscribes to. In order for me to be baptized I had to agree to all those fundamental beliefs like: when Jesus said on the cross “it is finished” Adventist say well not technically because there is now the investigative judgement where God is looking over my case of sins..: How utterly blasphemous to our Lord Jesus and his sacrifice!! 😭 there is the sabbath keeping and shame on those who go on Sunday as we will receive the mark of the beast in end times. I had nightmares of this as a child. ( please know, The Sabbath commandment was a foreshadow of the rest we are to receive in Jesus’ sacrifice he made on our behalf.) Soul sleep - just read Philippians and see how wrong this is. To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. Being “Born Again” is never talked nor even a thing even tho for me it was the most profound experience I ever had! I literally felt like I woke up with different DNA..: thank you Jesus!! Also their “gospel” is called the 3 angels gospel which isn’t even the gospel message Paul got and wrote straight from Jesus. Paul said if anyone, even an angel distorts this let him be accursed. This means SDA religion is CURSED! It was the devil who tried to use scripture to make Jesus sin and it is the devil twisting and using scripture to remove the power of the blood from the SDA church. So many are not born again and so many don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus, they have instead family tradition and a prideful heart that says they are the “remnant” church and therefore automatically saved. This may not be true for you but if you know Jesus and love him you will ask him to reveal the truth to you and you will do as I did and chose to follow Jesus over any religion no matter the cost!
@@starcityrc3298 I somewhat agree with you. I think what it’s missing is a current authoritative figurehead. A figurehead in which the congregation blinded allegiance to. Like it said, figurehead, said, OK, it’s all time to kill ourselves, the congregation would follow through with it. If that happened 95% of the church would walk away. However, if your current view, is that LDS and Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult, I think by that definition you have to come to the conclusion that, so is SDA.
(9:11) just a gentile reminder that all genuine followers of Christ have been labelled a cult/sect/heresy as pointed out by Paul and recorded by Dr Luke the gentile historian in NLT Acts 24:14“But I admit that I follow the Way, which they call a cult. I worship the God of our ancestors, and I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets. 15I have the same hope in God that these men have, that he will raise both the righteous and the unrighteous. 16Because of this, I always try to maintain a clear conscience before God and all people. NKJV Acts14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets. 15I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust. 16This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men. KJV 14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. 16And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men. So don’t think that this that you do is a new thing, it’s not! And btw the way that you know that Seventh-day Adventists are Gods remnant is by examining the historical timeline in Revelation 10:11 The message we are commissioned to teach as the everlasting gospel (Revelation 14:6-12) The fact that we have the gift of prophecy in our midst (Revelation 12:17; 19:10) The biblical doctrines that we teach in harmony with what Christ taught (Luke 24:27) and commissioned Saul of Tarsus/Paul to teach to the gentiles (Galatians 2:8) as Peter taught it to the Jews as pointed out in (Acts 24:14-16) That we are the only “Tota sola scriptura” (the whole Bible only) Protestant Christian denomination upholding the original Bible doctrines of Christ as the Protestant reformers did, not having forgotten our Protestant roots (Psalm 119:105) If you can find another movement that fits the criteria then join them but until you can do so know this, that the Seventh-day Adventists and not the orthodox believers is the flock into which God is calling you today (John 10:16) choose you this day whom you will serve (Joshua 24:15; 2 Corinthians 6:2)
I was actually doubting that SDA was a cult until I read the last sentence of your comment, and it made me realize there really is some thought control going on there. "Us vs them" thinking is a major thought control device. It's also true of every Christian based cult to find some new or changed rule and make it super important. So after reading your response specifically, I'm more convinced SDA is a cult. Thank you for shining the light on it.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community. Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Just because you make a statement that Seventh Day Adventists are not a part of the “Protestant community” doesn’t make it a fact. SDA’s in fact came out of several Protestant doctrines. It is by its very nature a Protestant community because it is not catholic. I take it then your Bible does not have the book of Revelation as that is where you find the 3 angels message? You never did explain exactly what the “accursed” message is. It certainly isn’t the 3 angels message.
I'm sure you could find someone that left the church that the "cultish" guys belong to, that believes that church is a cult. Because someone doesn't like the church they left doesn't make that church bad or a cult, necessarily. I think that any church that entertains christmas and easter has strayed from the truth.
@@scottandchels6813 You misunderstand. Everyone I have encountered who has departed the SDA chruch has done so due to the heretical SDA doctrine. The SDA chruch is a non-Christian church which teaches such heretical doctrines as a Christ who did NOT die on the cross for the sins of mankind an a 3 Angels gospel which is not found in the bible. Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, *let him be accursed.* As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, *let him be accursed.*
@@AcademyApologia Yeshua fully preached and taught true torah, unpolluted by man-made traditions. The Jewish Shepherds lead the people astray, just as the Christian shepherds do today. The gospel that is different leads people to lawlessness. Do you belong to a lawless cult? Mat 7:22-23 TS2009 22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’ 23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!' Psa. 6:8.
You could bash the SDA church and Ellen G. White all you want, but you can't bash the fact that God's 7th Day Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. The Catholic Church even says, "People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventist, and keep Saturday holy." (St Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995)
Nice attempting to deflect from exposing the sda church, while bashing the Catholic Church. How about you tell us when the sabbath was COMMANDED and to whom? Go ahead we'll wait ⏳
@@markphelps9218 Not everyone is Catholic, "smart one"..... Not everyone cares about claims outside the bible being made to justify the sabbath. I also find it interesting how you refuse to debate Ellen G White 😏🤫🤐
@@markphelps9218 You just called out the majority of commentators for not being willing to dispute the sabbath argument, in you're initial response to this section 😏... Now all of a sudden you're contradicting yourself.
Keep praying for them, drop seeds where you can if they come to you asking questions be prepared. But live out your faith with Christ in love...I still pray for them but one thing I learnt legalism is deaf...God will sort them out
My wife went to a 7th day adventist, and her parents still do. But i can tell you there is a lot of difference between adventists and adventists. My parents in law dont hold to the official adventist teachings and are closer to reformed theology than 7th day adventists. Actually most of their church dont believe the official teachings. They mostly are just convinced that we should have the 7th day as a rest day because the bible doesnt explicitly changed that. They are just under the banner of 7th day adventists because they are dependent on their money simply for existance. Most dont really care about Ellen white either. Luckily my wife is not anymore so against sunday church as she was in the beginning and is just at the point of idk whats right. She is conviced that the official 7th day adventist church is cultish with wrong teachings. So what im trying to say is, not all adventists are perse holding to all official doctrines. So there is still hope for your brother. Pray for them, thats best you can do. And study more about the history of that church and maybe they'll see some day that its not really kosher
@@markdonnaabbott3977 There is nothing "legalism" about Adventist beliefs. My research for a book shows that while there are about 22 million Adventists, there are more than one hundred million people in various denominations all over the world who ALSO observe the Sabbath, avoid tobacco, alcohol and unclean meats, baptize by immersion, believe in the Trinity, etc. just as Adventists do! It is the Catholics and Evangelicals and Jews who are confused.
(5:19) so what of it? Martin Luther didn’t keep the Sabbath, God didn’t show him the Sabbath truth, instead He showed him Habakkuk 2:4 the just shall live by faith, …today however, God is emphasising His Sabbath and elevating His fourth commandment according to Revelation 14:7 by drawing attention to the fact that the change from Sabbath to Sunday is the mark of the beast, (Revelation 14:9) whom Martin Luther (along with many of his contemporaries in the Protestant reformation) identified in Revelation 13:18 as the papacy. Now this is a salvific doctrine whereas not understanding the holy trilogy is not a salvific matter (Deuteronomy 29:29)
Martin Luther believed in soul sleep the complete opposite of today’s Christianity. Martin Luther considered people who believed in immortality of the soul heretics. Martin Luther today would resemble a seventh day Adventist more than an average every day American Christian today. Martin Luther would have agreed with the SDA that the Roman papacy is the antichrist. Oh, but today’s Christianity won’t tell you that, the truth basically.
@Charity , yes, indeed curse be the ones who preach outside what the Bible teaches according to the scripture. You claimed that SDA is a church, and I must say to you that you wish it's, but you chose to be in a cult of anti Christ holding on to the shadow - laws - instead of Christ. You preach Sabath instead of the blood of Christ that atoned for the believers' Sins. See, Church is the bride or the body of Christ and SDA isn't included just as Islam, Judaism or JW and the rest cults are not included because they all trample under their feet the blood of Christ and seeking their own righteousness and failed miserably as the J3ws of Jesus days that Christ would call them pharisees, vipers, snakes amd even the Children of the devil. So SDS is pretty in the same category, and Jesus Christ is actually calling you people out right now and telling you to repent and be saved.
Associated with Dale the Rat, that explains it. Enough heard! These ladies were never truly saved or a real SDA if they were they never would have left, our teachings are 100% Biblical, and I can say that because I was a Baptist trying to do the same thing this video does and discredit the SDAs after 10 years of study I converted because they are right.
at around 6:40 she says Adventists don't believe the father and the son share substance. She must not have read Ellen white's statement: "With what firmness and power he uttered these words. The Jews had never before heard such words from human lips, and a convicting influence attended them; for it seemed that divinity flashed through humanity as Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as he put forth the claim that he and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes. The Jews understood his meaning, there was no reason why they should misunderstand, and they took up stones to stone him.. ST November 27, 1893, par. 5
"Hiding in Plain Sight the false Doctrine of the Seventh Day Adventist Church by former Adventist evangelist EJ Thunder Lauriston is a great read , all 3 volumes
Elce Jr Lauriston is a former gang member, drug user, who didn't appreciate the many good things Adventists did to help him. He is just as confused and deluded as Dale Ratzlaff, another former SDA heretic whom he believed. I've read both their books and find enormous flaws, falsehoods and sloppy research. And they expect their audiences to accept their unfounded claims without doing their own research.
@@umabrijmohun6720 Elce Lauriston was a gang member, doing drugs and in legal trouble. An Adventist HELPED him change his life, Adventists paid for his college education and he was ALREADY preaching when he decided the SDA Sanctuary Doctrine was not in the Bible. But that's because he was reading a modern English translation that is far different from the good old King James. SDA is NOT A CULT. In fact, Walter Ralston Martin said it wasn't and he stayed at an Adventist health center when he was dying.
@@umabrijmohun6720 did you not know that “the Way” has always been called a cult? Do not the Seventh day Adventists teach exactly the same as what Paul taught to the gentiles in His day according to Acts 24? Let’s take a look and see 14“But I admit that I follow the Way, *which they call a cult. * I worship the God of our ancestors, and I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets. 15I have the same hope in God that these men have, that he will raise both the righteous and the unrighteous. 16Because of this, I always try to maintain a clear conscience before God and all people. Seems like we Seventh day Adventists are still suffering the same persecution today as Paul did for following “The Way” 😊
@@timothyelems1357 Oh dear. God in His grace and mercy for you will shine a light on your path, And you will know the truth and it will set you free. Seek God with all your heart mind and strength, He will lead your paths and the Holy Spirit will teach you what you need to know. I know the path you're on and it's a difficult road. You will lose much but gain oh the much more. For we must worship God in truth and in spirit. Yell out if you need a hand for videos etc but my greatest blessing was searching the Scriptures and taking the sda goggles off and letting God's word speak for itself. My answers were found in the feasts as well as Romans, Hebrews and Galatians. Comparing what they taught and what God teaches and in context, cos context matters 😆 The Lord is calling you to go deeper with Him, it's a blessing. I will pray for you.
I'm not a seven-day adventist, but the thing that really amazes me is the attacks that the SDA get for merely saying that we should obey God's will. It's absolutely bizarre to watch. From my perspective, people rather have their Friday night Sports then obey God's will. America is doomed, we can't confront our own sins. What I have done is watched many of these videos and then researched all the accusations of the SDA church and have only found one legitimate concern.... a slight preference towards veganism. There's some serious Pagan attributes to that, otherwise there really is no issue.
You got to ask, how did Miller come up with that exact date of Oct 22?? Why not Oct 19 or 20?? This is how he did it..He asked a couple of Jews about the cleansing of the sanctuary..Yom Kippur..The annual event held on Tishri 10 of the Jewish calendar.. Guess what!! In 1844, that Tishri 10 would have been Sept 23 1844 A whole month off..So the disappointment was even more so because this infamous date is wrong.. What a way to start a cult..
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Before this podcast I was considering supporting, but now you will never get my support. Makes me wonder about the validity of any of your content because I know firsthand how wrong this one is.
@@dr.g1482 You are one of the few INTELLIGENT people on here for not being influenced by the radical critics of Adventism who are convinced that their telling a lie often enough about Adventists will eventually be accepted as the truth.
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A lot better unbiased representation
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Dr G has been exposed as a fake account using multiple accounts, and making claims about others without any form of justification through sources
@@nicetry620 I don't know anything about any Dr. G. Whoever he is, he is correct about this video.
The saddest part of leaving a fellowship of eople you love sincerely. I had the break the news to a few members I'm leaving. It's heart breaking 💔
I am an SDA and that these Ladies say, that SDA talk to insiders other than outsiders is a blatant lie. I have no problem to tell whomsoever about Adventist history and doctrine.
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Amen!
Answering adventism is a great channel
I left SDA church last year. I was born as a 3rd generation, and after 40 plus years I left. These two ladies helped me a lot. I listen to their Former Adventist Podcast. My relationship with Jesus has never been on this level. I absolutely love reading my Bible every single day, and I finally understand what it says. I know I am saved because of what Jesus did, and because He gave me the Holy Spirit who is my guarantee of my salvation. I could never go back to the SDA and I could never unsee what I see now in Scripture.
I am delighted to see Colleen and Nikki have helped you leave Adventism and point you in the right direction.
well come back as you are now in babylon as all sunday churches are babylon and will soon receive the mark of the beast? Are you looking forward to receive the mark of the beast and end up in hell?.
I see you fulfil prophecy in our hearing
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
@@annettemacintosh117 That is right and bible prophecy does warn us against the false doctrine of our day, be it Adventist, Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses. False religion abounds and Adventistm is just one among many of the false religions.
@@AcademyApologia Amen! They mean well, but like all counterfeits, they try to earn God's favor by their own efforts & merit. May the Lord open their eyes to see the beauty of Grace ❤️
35 minutes in. Fascinating stuff. How they clearly state that the churches doctrines were developed through bible study yet somehow still laying it at Ellen Whites feet.
It appears to me that though these people escaped Adventist doctrine, they haven't escaped the idea that only those with the "correct" theology will make it to heaven.
Ok, but you can't be saved if you believe in the wrong god, or the wrong way of salvation. Muslims have incorrect theology, and as a result, will not be saved. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses likewise have incorrect theology and will not be saved. At some level, everyone believes that one needs to believe correct theology in order to be saved. The alternative is some form of universalism.
41:00 I am an Adventist and I am confident in my salvation. I don't think that statement can be made in a general way.
You better repent brother...with that sentence you just blatantly disobeyed Ellen White. “Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. Every one should be taught to cherish hope and faith; but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that He accepts us, we are not beyond the reach of temptation. God's word declares, ‘Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried.’ Dan. 12:10. Only he who endures the trial will receive the crown of life. (James 1:12.)” (COL 155.1) 2.
“We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, ‘I am saved.’ When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayers, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say, ‘I am saved’ (1SM 314.2).
@@JessicaPottorff030612 She is basically addressing the idea of "once saved always saved". Which is most definitely a dangerous idea as it implies you can blatantly resist the Holy Spirit and live a sinful life, yet still think you are saved because once upon a time you said the sinners prayer... Which clearly denies many Bible verses about being genuinely transformed, repenting and living a new life in Christ. I know people don't like others to say "context!", but we need to keep these statements in context.
1 John 5:13: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
We indeed can know we have eternal life.
Hello I am a former sda and seriously and honestly with all respect i can tell you that this is the most distorted podcast I ever heard. Please it will be good if you can invite a former well educated sda just to clear all misconceptions that have bee spoken. THANK YOU, MAY THE LORD CONTINUE BLESSING YOU ALL
You are a HONEST person.
If this is wrong, why did you leave the SDA church?
Man I was a former SDA to and stop defending that heretical cult
Adventists the most hated on earth, even Satan shudders 😂
(5:07) they didn’t become millerites, they attended the millerite meetings as members of other denominations. Btw the millerites were all called Adventists, quakers, Presbyterians, Seventh-day Baptists, Methodists, abolitionists, Baptists etc.
btw, the word “Adventist” simply means that one believes in the second coming of Christ as all bible believing Protestant Christians do, not excluding Seventh-day Adventists :)
Liar. Ellen and her parents were Millerites who attended the Chestnut street Methodist church in Portland Maine. They were kicked out of the fellowship because they could not control themselves and were continually interrupting the pastor and declaring he did not love the return of Christ, and did not love Jesus. You are a habitual liar.
I believe Jesus came in judgement on Jerusalem and her temple in 70AD just as He prophesied in His Olivet Discourse, this generation shall not pass ..... I’m still looking into a final return at the end of human history..
@@lavieenrose5954 you believe a lie
are you a seventh day adventist?
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@@annettemacintosh117what do I have to do to go to heaven?
Great video I’m an ex Adventist and I had to deconstruct and reconstruct because it s a mind control church and your not even aware of it and now I thank God I’m now a Christian
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So how did they control you?
@@martinduplooy259they tell you Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and if you don’t keep the sabbath you loose your salvation salvation is also your been vegetarian and they put fear in because they say if your not an Adventist you’re lost
@@hectorromero4375 to be honest these ladies are just all over the place. For example they say sda believe something like Jesus died on the cross and now a door has been opened where we can now keep the law of God. I have never heard that and I listen to many sda posters all over the world. The law show us our sins because transgression of the law is SIN but it only show us what we are doing wrong it can not save us, we are saved by his blood (grace) and our faith (following Jesus) daily. Not sure what she was saying about the holy spirit leaving and coming back, if you harden you heart toward Jesus yes you'll become more separated from him but Jesus will always take you back if you repent with a sincere heart, David was an example. We do belive you need to be obedient to God's law and that it's not a burden as you will have a master but up to you who is your master is, Truth or error. The Great Controversy is correct, Satan rebelled against God and if God just destroy him his created begins will serve him out of fear and not love. We know there is a law in heaven because the ark of the covenant has a mercy seat on it and in Hebrews it say the original sanctuary is in heaven and we only had a copy of it.
Before the sda church was formed there were many protestants people that followed the teaching of Muller about cleansing of the sanctuary as in Daniel 8:14. They where wrong because they teached at that time the sanctuary is earth, but after the great disappointment they learned that in Heberew they say the sanctuary is in heaven and they got that wrong. So hear is where the people started splitting up and started other churches but those who continued to believed Jesus is coming they just had the even wrong they continue to study and then Ellen White started getting the prophetic visions. The SDA start foundation is Daniel 8:14. And after the they formed the SDA church. They never agreed on the Trinity because it was not the message to give, they believed was the 3 Angel's message Revelation 14:6,7,8. A lady called Rachel Oakes Preston was responsible to introducing the Sabbath to the Millerites, she was Sevenday Baptist. If you read the Paper the produced as a church at that time you can see how they started finding important truths like the God head, (3 persons one God). So to say that the are found on anti-tritian is not true but did they had people on both sides at that time because they come from different backgrounds.
Anyway this is really a disappointment interview and really hard to watch theses two miss present the church, its history and points out how they miss understand the Doctrines which is all biblical. I know people in my own church have been there 30 years they will not be able to tell you the fundamentals, it's not a case that you are in the church and now you know what is happening, as many people sleep. These ladies doctrine are blown like wind. But these attacks are expected. Act 24:5 KJV For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: blessing.
I see a lot of SDA gaslighting in the comments. Great episode, looking forward to the next.
I'm not Adventist but I believe alot in there doctrine like keeping the commandments and that death is a sleep those are biblical
In Revelation it’s those who keep the testimony of Christ and who keep God’s commandments that make it to the first resurrection.
@Ben Z the bible clear were not saved by the law we keep the law because we love God and the holy spirt moves us away from sin but we're saved by grace through faith
@@benz8421 Yes, Adventist in fact preach and do that keep the testimony of Christ and who keep God’s commandments
6:00 The idea that Adventists believe that Humans have no spirit separate from the body is not true.
Sort of true. It is different than the Catholic interpretation. Good comments btw. Thanks
They think your spirit is just the breath of life God blew into Adam which it also is, but they don't see it as a distinct part of the anatomy of a human being the way Paul describes it when he says the spirit wars against the flesh. They also don't understand the soul and how its not the spirit, a lot of spiritual things seem foolish to them because there still carnal minded trying to justify themselves by the law.
This is not true,
52:45 Systematic benevolence was developed by JN Andrews and a team through study of the word, not Ellen White.
My mom would be crushed if I show her this podcast.
I go to SDA church. It doesn’t surprise me people nay saying. The SDA church I go to is actually the most normal church I’ve ever been to. I’ve been to every type of church as well and SDA
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@@featheredfriend1310You can't get away from Ellen white in the Sabbath school it's in the literature world wide. They also teach that Jesus is Michael the archangel. It was in one of the Sabbath school books.
@@SFayeLewis I’ve not seen it but will be on the look out for what you shared with me. I tried to go back to church on Sunday and that’s not sitting well with me.
I don’t understand why it matters if Ellen G White is mentioned or not. To me she’s just like any other Christian Author/publisher. Besides, no one wants to quote someone without bringing up the original author
@@featheredfriend1310 I don't feel right going to church on Sunday either I still keep Sabbath I just don't go to any sda church anymore unless it's for a wedding/ funeral/ other. I go to a Seventh day Baptist Church still doing my research on them now
What I love about these two ladies (among other things) is you can see them glancing at each other to see if the other person wants to add something. It's very gracious and shows that they respect each other's input. Just a random observation.
Check out their podcast.
They should have quoted this from Ellen White:
The Lord designs to warn you, to reprove, to counsel, through the testimonies given, and to impress your minds with the importance of the truth of His word. The written testimonies are not to give new light, but to impress vividly upon the heart the truths of inspiration already revealed. Man's duty to God and to his fellow man has been distinctly specified in God's word; yet but few of you are obedient to the light given. Additional truth is not brought out; but God has through the Testimonies simplified the great truths already given and in His own chosen way brought them before the people to awaken and impress the mind with them, that all may be left without excuse. Pride, self-love, selfishness, hatred, envy, and jealousy have beclouded the perceptive powers, and the truth, which would make you wise unto salvation, has lost its power to charm and control the mind. The very essential principles of godliness are not understood because there is not a hungering and thirsting for Bible knowledge, purity of heart, and holiness of life. The Testimonies are not to belittle the word of God, but to exalt it and attract minds to it, that the beautiful simplicity of truth may impress all.
What is their podcast? Looking at the description box to find their names to no avail. This is so great!
@@notonau Former Adventist Podcast
I'm a X-JW, born again Christian. Thank you for this video.
I went to seven Adventist church when little 6-7 but we stopped going I don’t know why. I am a born again Christian since I was 13 . This is new to me about this Adventist church.
It's new to most Adventist because they're not being honest with their assessment. These people are just expressing the pain they have from Bad experiences in the denomination.
@@jonnbobo liar. Most ex Adventists enjoyed being Adventist. Both women left because the doctrines come from hell. You are the Adventist cheerleader who isn’t an Adventist. You are weird.
The information is rock solid true.
@@jonnbobo you can’t identify one inaccurate comment in the video. Man up- put up- or shut up.
@@rayray4192 this comment thread is full of my comments pointing them out. Try being honest for once
We are so blessed, my brothers and sisters in Christ. So blessed. There but for the grace of God go I....
(15:54) yes Ellen Harmon was raised as a Methodist by her parents who were Methodists and they took her with them along with her twin sister and brother and the rest of the family, to the Methodist church and they also attended the millerite meetings in anticipation of the second coming of Jesus. What did they do wrong then?
I’m so glad y’all got Colleen from FAF, their stuff is so good!
NO, Colleen TInker and Dale Ratzlaff are WRONG and I am writing a book to prove everything they claim is FALSE and I document everything.
I’ve been waiting so long for this! Thank you for taking this on! Do I have to wait another week for the next show?!
Meaning?
Its starting guys, the falling away. I'm a Hebrew descendant and approve of the SDA message. I'm so grateful I grew up in the church when I was young.
@Joel Villarreal How do you know if a prophet is false? I think Ellen G White was able to communicate spiritually.
@@andrewcampbell3100I agree, EG White was the final prophet and just like the prophets of old , they will try to kill her and her writings ( poor God)
@@romandaigle455 do you have any Bible scripture where God promised to send us a final prophet?
Jesus promised to send us the Holy Spirit to teach us all things (John 14:26)
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Hebrews 1:1
Watch Lineage Journey seasons 1 and 2.
Thank you very much brothers and sisters, watching this video from Zambia Gwembe in particular
I have been attending the SDA church in Mexico and upper MICHIGAN for over a year. I must explore this much deeper because I really do not see the great inconsistencies. To me SDA is the true remnant church which will endure to the end. God protect and guide us. JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
I was born & raised in the movement. I Left and heard the gospel for the first time about five years ago. Please do your research! Don’t be convinced by the kind and beautiful people or the culture. Please learn real whole church history and orthodoxy- meaning the unchanging foundations of a Christian faith. Not what the SDA church teaches you about church history. Also please know and believe that Jesus Christ life death and resurrection is a complete atonement for your sins past present and future and that your salvation wholly and truly rest in Him.
Can’t be the remnant because sda church gives authority to Ellen g white.
Excellent explanations. I was a member of Worldwide Church of God. I read Proclamation! magazine a while due to this. Some of the materials were helpful but it is really a different belief system in many ways. Both came out of the Restoration movement, though.
i hope you can come out of babylon and enter the 3 angles message group as Jesus says babyllon fell When? IN RE 14 when the sanctuary message was given Who gave a sanctuary judgment message ? William Miller
Did you leave before or after Herbert W. Armstrong died?
@@quest380 I attended as a child until age 12 with my mother. I was allowed to stop attending by my father ( a non-member). I started attending again in 1985 as a young adult. Armstrong died in early 1986. I continued to attend WCG until about 2000.
(4:32) the millerite movement was comprised of many denominations. As previously mentioned - William Miller was himself a Gentleman farmer of the Baptist faith who was called by God in 1831 to be a lay preacher.
(15:23) in Luke 24 we hear two disciples walking along the road to Emmaus discussing events of the weekend and then a Stranger joins them. What did they say to Him about their expectations?
21But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel…
Now is that what Jesus came to do or had the disciples got His mission wrong?
This is an amazing podcast. I'm working on a piece about the doctrine of the Holy Spirit and the SDA movement. Thank you!
The information is getting more accurate. Really appreciate that they are correctly stating the history
Can't wait for the Episode 2.
How many religions, apart from the Jews and Seventh Day Adventist keep the Sabbath on Saturday?
Some Baptist churches, they called themselves Seventh Day Baptist church.
Yep. There are way too many younger folks online calling themselves prophets, or saying God told them explicitly about details of future events. Many seem sincere. But sincerely caught up in feelings wanting to be some sort of hero, or insider. Not content with God's final source of His written words that have given themselves up to string delusions.
“Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.”
1 Thessalonians 5:19-21 ESV
@@nickhanley5407 “test everything”
Try the spirit whether it is from God
(15:51- 16:06) indeed a huge following and this second great awakening was not limited to the baptist farmer/lay preacher William Miller in New England America alone, it happened in England and in Europe as well as anticipation grew not limited to Millers views alone but in other parts of the world also the common belief was that Jesus would return to cleanse the sanctuary which the majority believed was the earth, so targeting William Miller for getting it wrong is rather biased especially when we consider how the disciples got it wrong centuries prior thinking that Jesus has come to earth to deliver Israel from the Roman yoke and set up His earthly kingdom - hear Jesus in Luke 24:22 say to them after the event
25… “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He [g]expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
Does anyone actually register the similarities?
It's always interesting how cults / false religions so often depend upon one person or a few people having some personal experience/vision. Others are supposed to believe them solely on the basis of this personal experience. That should always be a warning bell. What a contrast with biblical Christianity! Biblical Christianity is not based on one person or a few people having subjective experiences. It's based upon the Bible, which consists of 66 books, written by multiple authors, from various backgrounds, in different locations, over a couple thousand years, in Hebrew, Greek, & I believe some Aramaic. It's rooted in geography, history, and fulfilled prophecy. And it's one cohesive, consistent narrative from beginning to end. That speaks to its supernatural origin. Such a thing would be impossible to pull off if it was just from human origin!
The only reason that you would you would include JWs here is because of the lies of people like our hosts. The FACT of the matter is that JWs have always been cessationists believing in closed canon we do not now nor have at any time regarded our leaders as prophets or saints or infallible, you will not find any buildings named after men or any commemorative statues or bust of any man hero worship is totally alien to JW culture the Lord JEHOVAH is our hero.
A counter argument you might hear for this: the Bible itself was created through personal revelations (the authors were inspired and moved by the Holy Spirit to speak the word of God). Exceptions could perhaps be Moses having the witness of the entire Jewish nation, and the Apostles having hundreds of witnesses to the risen Christ, but the majority of Scripture was from personal revelation. God authenticated Scripture through miracles and fulfilled prophecies, so it is very difficult to make this sort of argument without relying heavily on cessationism, which is also quite difficult to argue for. When properly understood, cessationist doctrine is fairly solid and convincing, but it's also extremely nuanced, and is often too complicated for people to understand.
Thankfully, as far as I know, all of these false Christian religions shoot themselves in the foot with various failed prophecies, and by promoting strange doctrines which contradict Scripture. I do love what you said about the miraculous nature of Scriptrue though. Not trying to be discouraging. God bless!
Like I said JWs believe that all prophesying ended with the apostles of Christ and their contemporaries we base our beliefs exclusive on the bible. That is why we are named after the most high God JEHOVAH and not any man. That is why you would never find any commemorative statues or portraits of any man or any building named after any man on any church property. JEHOVAH is our hero and not any man. I am one hundred percent confident that I can defend my beliefs Sola scriptural.
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849, okay, I'll bite. The NWT translates John 1:1-3 this way: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence."
Even with such a blasphemous translation, these verses still refute the JW teaching that Jesus was created. "ALL things came into existence through him (Jesus), and apart from him (Jesus) NOT EVEN ONE THING came into existence."
If all created things came into existence through Jesus, and no created things came into existence apart from Jesus, then it is a logical impossibility for Jesus to be something created that came into existence. The text clearly says that everything created was brought into existence by Jesus, and that nothing was created, or brought into existence, without Jesus creating it.
I'm very curious to see the mental gymnastics required to believe the opposite of what your scripture says. I bet it starts with questioning what the text actually says (Gen. 3:1), and then proposing a new idea completely alien to the text, which also happens to contradict the text (Gen. 3:4).
I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ delivers you from false teaching.
No mental gymnastics are required Cory only an adherence to scriptural precedent. For instance genesis3:20KJV"20And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of ALL living." Likely you are not as quick to make a hard and fast application of your interpretative logic here. The bible routinely uses the word all with sensible exceptions,even as we do in every day speech. The verse uses a construction that is NEVER used of JEHOVAH when referring to his role in creation. It says that all things were created through(dia) from which we get word diameter the logos this denotes that the logos was not the originator of the information and energy manifest in the creation but JEHOVAH's chosen instrument in applying his power and wisdom.
John1:17KJV"17For the law was given by (dia)Moses, ...." Obviously Moses was not the originator of the law but he was JEHOVAH's chosen intermediary in conveying it to the ancient Hebrews. Contrast that to the Bible's depiction of the role of the God and Father of Jesus in creation
Acts17:24KJV"(the)God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that HE is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; "
Revelation4:11KJV"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
Denoting that he is the originator of all the information and energy manifest in the creation. We observe though that he uses earlier creations as raw materials or instrumentalities to produce later ones the logos is the point at which this process began.
I have a friend who is a Sda and they also do not believe in hell, that you will simply be none existent. So thank you for this series it will help with my witnessing.
They believe in hell but they don't believe people will burn forever and ever.
That’s incorrect, SDAs do believe in hell as the Bible teaches it, so if you would like to offer a scripture then we can discuss it and find out what the Bible has to say about it
@April G death is eternal when you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, burning eternally iits not and it's against the nature of a loving God with His creation.
@ April G the atonement is accomplished by Christ enduring the penalty meant for us in our stead therefore if the penalty meant for us is eternal conscious torment Jesus' losing his physical body for three days would not suffice ,only his being made to suffer eternally would atone for our sins.
@April G the bible declares that the wages of sin is DEATH not me and that the one who has died is acquitted from sin.
Romans6:23KKV"23For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." death is the opposite of life. Just as you did not exist before you were born you will not exist after you die that is the eternal punishment.
Ecclesiastes3:20KJV"20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. "
Romans6:7KJV"For he that is dead is freed from sin."
because he has paid for his sins in full and is liable to no further punishment but to remain dead.
Not only is it weird to see a dating site promoted here, but to see this on an episode featuring 7th Day Adventism.
They call it a "denomination."
"Anyone is welcome to use Higher Bond! That being said, some of the more popular denominations include:
Anglican/Episcopal
Assemblies of God
Baptist
Catholic
Congregational/Continental
Lutheran
Mennonite/Anabaptist
Messianic
Methodist
Non-Denominational
Orthodox
Other
Pentecostal
Presbyterian
Protestant
Seventh-Day Adventist"
Where did you see a dating site promoted ?
It's a Christian dating site.. The word denomination doesn't change anything.
@@zer.o In this video. Starts about 12:06
@@ureasmith3049 And SDA is not a Christian denomination. It's a different religion. Which is bad enough. But to promote this site on a video specifically speaking about SDA is even worse!
@@Yesica1993 I agree SDA not Christian and a different religion. I'm not sure what the Christian dating site has to do with it. It was just a sponsor of the Cultish podcast.
These ladies are spot on with what they say about the SDA church. I was a 3rd generation SDA, educated in the SDA schools and a local elder. I knew SDA theologians like Ed Thiele, I took Des Ford's class on Daniel at PUC. I left Adventism 22 years ago because of theology and have no regrets about leaving.
What is spot on about it? I’m a fifth generation SDA on my Dad’s side and sixth generation on my mom’s side. I heard misinformation and smears.
@@dr.g1482 be specific. Just one example and an explanation on why it false out a smear.
@@kupagaming5643 for starters they claim SDAs don’t believe in the trinity and divinity of Jesus and that is a lie. Jesus is one with the Father. They claim that we believe God has a body which is not true unless they are actually are using a smoke and mirrors trick. We believe Jesus became flesh as John says and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is God one with the Father and Holy Spirit. I guess they believe everyone that listens to their podcast is not going to do the research. Those lies are in the first 10 minutes.
@@kupagaming5643 smears to start with was calling EGW a cash cow. Read the Desire of the Ages. You will realize what fallacious lies have been spouted here.
@@dr.g1482 Thanks for your response. I know These two ladies - on the Trinity they say the SDA started as non tritarian and now have a version of Trinity that is not the orthodox version. If you research in the Andrews University library you will find a document called EG White and God, one, two or three by Denis Fortin. Also watch RC Sproul on Trinity freely available on TH-cam and the. Compare with the God Head theology of the SDA and you will see some differences. On God having a body - read the fundamental beliefs book on the subject and it will be apparent. Also here is a quotation from the SDA prophet in vision: I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus’ countenance and admired His lovely person. The Father's person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, “If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist.” Source: m.egwwritings.org/en/book/28.389 . End of Quote. Here is another reference for the evolution and current understanding of Trinity by the SDA: www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2012/04/ellen-white-and-the-personhood-of-the-holy-spirit. Let me know when you have checked EGW’s quote and compared SDA’s Trinity doctrine with orthodoxy as espoused by early fathers like Augustine and also check on the Armenian elements of the current SDA beliefs - use the 28 fundamentals book and all possible Adventist sources.
It was good, but lots of what appear to be statements with no support. Give us examples from White's writings to show what she believed. More evidence of what they actually said. Glad there is a part 2. Will give that a shot to see if they get more in depth.
As an SDA, I've never heard these teachings.
I have SDA friends and am familiar with their teachings. I don't agree with the beliefs concerning E.G. White, and because of this, I do not attend the SDA church. But that said, in my discussions with members, never have I heard these teachings about the spirit or disbelief in the Trinity, as an example. This makes no sense, because the SDA church baptises in the name of Trinity, and their hymnbook has songs with mention of the Trinity. "Holy, Holy, Holy" is one of them. I don't know what these people on the show are talking about - at least where those points are concerned.
There are many who will attack SDA. It’s just the sign of the times.
@@CraigRadala
It's a sign that they the SDA church has been exposed.
Quit trying to deflect.
The bible talks about false prophets, but sda's always leave that verse out, for their own benefit
@@faitheternal3015 The church does believe in the Trinity. Now its true that in the 19th century some members denounced which led to a series of conferences which led to the church accepting that yes the Trinity is biblical and we have followed that belief ever since
@@carlosmedina1281 OK...but why tell me this? I did not say the SDA church rejects the Trinity.
(17:28- 18:07) hear say - citation is needed for this comment of your guest where she claims that the orthodox grew weary of the millerites and called the Christian’s babylon please.
Yawning
45:51 Good question regarding how Ellen White came to prominence
I'm an ex-Adventist but I still keep Kosher because the Bible never says otherwise.
1Timothy 4 :Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
Everything is good we're not bound. But if you choose not to eat that's fine. So long as you don't think you're holier than others or you're doing extra special works for your salvation.
With love and peace -Donna
@@markdonnaabbott3977 Shalom Donna, I think you're misinterpreting the verse.
"...require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." Here it's talking about food God said was good to eat (Leviticus 11:1-47)
I haven't looked at this topic in a while so I searched what SDA say about this verse in particular and they make good points. One of them being it can't refer to Kosher as that was / is a teaching of God and not of demons.
@@rager4able shalom my friend. Leviticus is old covenant and for the Jews we are gentiles we were never part of that covenant. And it along with feasts and sacrificial system was to show the Jews what was wrong with their hearts and minds.
When Jesus fulfilled it perfectly He gave us a new covenant and God gave us His Spirit which made us brand new creatures.
But the new covenant says in Romans 14 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
So if we were to go out for lunch and I ate say bacon and you are convinced it is not good so therefore you do not touch it. I out of love for you would not eat that in front of you. But neither of us are any better for eating or not eating. We both serve the same Jesus. The rest of Romans 14 touches this.
But you see with SDAs they believe Ellen was a prophet and these are her "visions", no pork no meat no seafood, no coffee etc etc but what she says contradicts what God said through His apostles and prophets. And that's the issue we have with that. And if you read Roman and Hebrews and Galatians majority of what sdas hold can be refuted with God's word. And they pressure you to abstain from meats according to their prophet, not according to what God says. Scripture says if we take part in the law any little part we must do all. And we can't. That's why Jesus came.
Like I said before if you're convinced it is unclean for you, you're convinced there's nothing wrong with that.
Your friend Donna Abbott
@@markdonnaabbott3977 do you give tithe?
@@jonnbobo $$ 10% nope. Under new covenant
2 Corinthians 9:7
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
I had no idea. Thanks the information.
I'm not SDA but I do believe the Sabbath is an eternal commandment for all. Read end of Isaiah 66.
When i was young in my faith and very zealous to root out false prophets, i remember finding one of Ellen G White writings and setting out to prove she was a false prophet. I at least wanted to see for myself and not believe what everyone else said but to try her myself.
I remember skimming through a paragraph trying to find something off. I didn't. Then i skimmed through a few more and the more i read the more i became convicted. All i seen in her writings was Jesus. I was floored. I ended up buying a Spirit of Prophecy book and my life was never the same.
I am not an SDA member but I do believe in the Seventh Day Sabbath and I am looking forward to the Second Advent of Christ. I do subscribe to the wise counsel in her writings but the bible is my chief study.
This is what she says about the bible in one quote:
The word of God is to stand as the highest educating book in our world, and is to be treated with reverential awe. It is our guidebook; we shall receive from it the truth. We need to present the Bible as the great lesson book to place in the hands of our children and youth, that they may know Christ, whom to know aright is life eternal. It is the book to be studied by those of middle age, and those who are aged. The word contains promises, warnings, encouragement, and assurances of the love of God to all who accept Him as their Saviour. Then place the holy word in their hands. Encourage them to search the word, and they will in so doing find hidden treasures of inestimable value to them in this present life, and in receiving Christ as the bread of life they have the promise of eternal life. FE 384.2
Here is a writing of hers about Jesus in the Desire of Ages:
Jesus knows us individually, and is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. He knows us all by name. He knows the very house in which we live, the name of each occupant. He has at times given directions to His servants to go to a certain street in a certain city, to such a house, to find one of His sheep. DA 479.3
Every soul is as fully known to Jesus as if he were the only one for whom the Saviour died. The distress of every one touches His heart. The cry for aid reaches His ear. He came to draw all men unto Himself. He bids them, “Follow Me,” and His Spirit moves upon their hearts to draw them to come to Him. Many refuse to be drawn. Jesus knows who they are. He also knows who gladly hear His call, and are ready to come under His pastoral care. He says, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” He cares for each one as if there were not another on the face of the earth.
In 1845 Elder Israel Dammon, a Millerite adventist, faced charges by the State of Maine that he was a "vagabond and idle person," "a common railer or brawler," "neglecting his employment," "misspending his earnings" and did not "provide for the support" of himself or his family. His trial was reported, in abridged format, in the Piscataguis Farmer of Dover, Maine, March 7, 1845. The published record provides a fascinating contemporary account of some of the fanatical activities known to have been associated with certain ex-Millerite factions. What is of particular interest to Seventh-day Adventists is that the record mentions young Ellen Harmon (later White) as being present at one of the meetings.
It should be noted that none of the witnesses in the record of Israel Dammon's trial allege any fanatical activity by 17-year-old Ellen Harmon. But the question arises whether Ellen Harmon's attendance at meetings where fanaticism was evident should be construed as an endorsement of such behavior. We think not. When the Lord instructed Ellen Harmon to relate her first vision (received December 1844) to the Advent believers, He did not exclude the fanatics from her ministry. Ellen White refers to numerous occasions when she was directed to bear her testimony to those mistakenly caught up with fanatical ideas and practices. For example:
"In the period of disappointment after the passing of the time in 1844, fanaticism in various forms arose. Some held that the resurrection of the righteous dead had already taken place. I was sent to bear a message to those believing this, as I am now bearing a message to you [certain persons advocating strange doctrines in 1901]. They declared that they were perfected, that body, soul, and spirit were holy. They made demonstrations similar to those you have made, and confused their own minds and the minds of others by their wonderful suppositions. Yet these persons were our beloved brethren, and we were longing to help them. I went into their meetings. There was much excitement, with noise and confusion. One could not tell what was piped or what was harped. Some appeared to be in vision, and fell to the floor. Others were jumping, dancing, and shouting. They declared that as their flesh was purified, they were ready for translation. This they repeated again and again. I bore my testimony in the name of the Lord, placing His rebuke upon these manifestations" (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 34).
Ellen Harmon's association with Israel Dammon at this time may also be understood in light of the fact that while most Millerites had rejected their past experience, he was among a handful of leaders who still believed that Bible prophecy had been fulfilled in 1844--one of the few who would listen to the message of Ellen Harmon's first vision.
It's interesting that you mentioned "selected messages bk 2"🤔...
Because in selected messages bk 1 we see how this so-called messenger of god took the writings of others yet claimed it all came directly from God.
ELLEN G WHITE:
If you refuse to believe until every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of doubt is removed, you will never believe. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith. Faith rests upon evidence, not demonstration. The Lord requires us to obey the voice of duty, when there are other voices all around us urging us to pursue an opposite course. It requires earnest attention from us to distinguish the voice which speaks from God."
(EGW, Selected Messages, bk. l, p. 27.)
Now, compare.......
DANIEL MARCH:
"We must not defer our obedience till every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of mistake is removed. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith, for faith rests upon probability, not demonstration.... We must obey the voice of duty when there are many other voices crying against it, and it requires earnest heed to distinguish the one which speaks for God."
(Daniel March, Night Scenes in the Bible; Philadelphia: Zeigler, McCurdy & Co., 1823; p88)
HERE WE SEE THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT 👆....
@@nicetry620 These accusations have already been answered by the EGW Estate. Joel. I quote:
"Because she included such selections from other authors in her writings, critics have charged Ellen White with plagiarism. But the mere use of another's language does not constitute literary theft, as noted by Attorney Vincent L. Ramik, a specialist in patent, trademark, and copyright cases. After researching about 1,000 copyright cases in American legal history, Ramik issued a 27-page legal opinion in which he concluded "Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy." Ramik points out several factors that critics of Ellen White's writings have failed to take into account when accusing her of literary theft or deceit. 1) Her selections "stayed well within the legal boundaries of 'fair use.'" 2) "Ellen White used the writings of others; but in the way she used them, she made them uniquely her own"--adapting the selections into her own literary framework. 3) Ellen White urged her readers to get copies of some of the very books she made use of--demonstrating that she did not attempt to conceal the fact of her use of literary sources, and that she had no intention to defraud or supersede the works of any other author."
"Ellen White "did not copy wholesale or without discrimination. What she selected or did not select, and how she altered what she selected" reveals that she used literary sources "to amplify or to state more forcefully her own transcending themes; she was the master, not the slave, of her sources" (Herbert E. Douglass, Messenger of the Lord, p. 461)".
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SDA THEOLOGIAN ROBERT BRIMSMEAD:
"It is true that there is evidence of literary borrowing by different biblical authors. But in such cases they used material that was the heritage and common property of the covenantal community. It was not private property, and there was no pretense of originality. With Mrs. White, however, the circumstances were much different. Without acknowledgment she used the literary product of those outside her own religious community, copyrighted it, and demanded royalties both for herself and her children. Right and wrong are to some extent historically conditioned, but we do not have to surmise the literary ethics demanded in Mrs. White's day. The facts are not ambiguous. She did not conform to acceptable literary practices."
Robert Brinsmead, Adventist Theologian, "Judged by the Gospel", p. 172
@@nicetry620 Brimsmead isn't an Adventist theologian.
He is a former Adventist turned farmer.
Yet, on matters of plagiarism, one who specializes in the matters of patent, trademark, and copyright cases would be able to give a more reliable commentary. Which is why I supplied the statement from Attorney Vincent L. Ramik.
@@JonDorsett
Did Brinsmead not enroll in theology at Avondale College in 1955 when he was in his mid-twenties?
Do your homework.
But if that's not enough...
Donald McAdams, president of Southwestern Adventist College:
"The historical portions of The Great Controversy that I have examined are selective abridgments and adaptations of historians. Ellen White was not just borrowing paragraphs here and there that she ran across in her reading, but in fact following the historians page after page, leaving out much material, but using their sequence, some of their ideas, and often their words. In the examples I have examined I have found no historical fact in her text that is not in their text. The hand-written manuscript on John Huss follows the historian so closely that it does not even seem to have gone through an intermediary stage, but rather from the historian's printed page to Mrs. White's manuscript, including historical errors and moral exhortations." Donald R. McAdams, "Shifting Views of Inspiration", Spectrum (magazine) 10, No. 4 (March 1980) p. 34
This world perspective and some of the doctrine is very similar to those in the Torah observant community 😮 there must be a connection.
This was a very entertaining episode. Looking forward to Part 2 👍🏾
Yeah that’s what the Romans said in the colosseum while the true Christians were being torn to shreds by wild beasts
@@annettemacintosh117
Seriously? 😂
@@cooperchoo9898 seriously! that was their entertainment
@@annettemacintosh117 As a Seventh-day Adventist I personally found it hilarious 😂
@@annettemacintosh117
LOL 😂 I laugh but it’s true, it was their sick entertainment..
I heard a historian say that in the days of Joan of Arc and the Hundred Years War, there were several young women in France claiming to have "visions from God." It is quite notable in history where people demand a deviation from Christian doctrine through a "new vision" or "prophecy."
My dad's family is sda and my Dad is the only one who left for brethren in Christ church.i was born in BICC but in my childhood would attend sda when visiting my grandparents or aunties.i had no issues with it (still somewhat don't have any issues with it) but i dated a guy who is sda and he was very inclined to the rules of what to eat and keeping the Sabbath holy he came off a bit judgy about anyone who isnt sda. So i always wondered why didn't he just date an sda lady because what ultimately broke the relationship was the whole debate about baptism. He said if we get married i have to be baptized again to be accepted as sda and i was confused cause of I'm baptized according to the word of God(full immersion of water just like Christ) then why should i do it again so that im accepted in the church. He was also very adamant in the whole idea of me wearing skirts and dresses and it really got to me because it just felt more like all about the rules and not the actual relationship with God and growing in that aspect. It really translated to me as a control thing like if you eat meat or wear pants then you are bad 😞
Great video!! Compliments from Brazil 🇧🇷
1:02:12 So the Sabbath school quarterly is for insiders now? 😭
I guess so 😭
The Sabbath School quarterly is for Bible study by Adventists and anyone interested, and Bible lessons taught at Sabbath School (vs. Sunday School) and discussed by members and guests in attendance at church services.
(9:23-58) The Christian Connection was a Christian movement in the United States of America that developed in several places during the late 18th and early 19th centuries, composed of members who separated from other Christian denominations namely the Baptists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and Methodists.
It was influenced by settling the frontier as well as the formation of the new United States and its separation from Great Britain.
The Christian Connection professed no creed, instead relying strictly on the Bible.
In practice, members coalesced around shared theological concepts such as an Arminian theological anthropology (doctrine of human nature), a rejection of the Calvinist doctrine of election, and an autonomous church government.
The Connection's periodical, the Herald of Gospel Liberty (first published on September 1, 1808), was among the first religious journals published in the United States.
They later merged with the National Council of the Congregational Churches, to become the Congregational Christian Church. They then merged with the Evangelical and Reformed Church, and became the United Church of Christ….
Through the 1830s and 1840s, practical difficulties associated with the movement's attempt at radical reform led to an erosion of the anti-organizational principles developed by Jones, Smith and others…
Many of the movement's publications were produced by the Christian Publishing Association, based in Dayton, Ohio…
A disproportionate number of Christian Connection preachers in New England were involved in the eschatological stir fueled by speculations of [Baptist] William Miller.
No fewer than seven of the 16 signatories to the 1840 call for an Adventist general conference were Connection preachers.
Many members left the Connection in the mid-1840s, populating emerging denominations such as the Seventh-day Adventists and the Advent Christians….
The Second Great Awakening was a Protestant religious revival during the early 19th century in the United States.
The Second Great Awakening, which spread religion through revivals and emotional preaching, sparked a number of reform movements.
Revivals were a key part of the movement and attracted hundreds of converts to new Protestant denominations.
The Methodist Church used circuit riders to reach people in frontier locations.
The Second Great Awakening led to a period of antebellum social reform and an emphasis on salvation by institutions.
The outpouring of religious fervor and revival began in Kentucky and Tennessee in the 1790s and early 1800s among the Presbyterians, Methodists and Baptists.
It led to the founding of several well known colleges, seminaries, and mission societies.
Historians named the Second Great Awakening in the context of the First Great Awakening of the 1730s and 1750s and of the Third Great Awakening of the late 1850s to early 1900s…
New religious movements emerged during the Second Great Awakening, such as Adventism, Dispensationalism, and the Latter Day Saint movement.
Like the First Great Awakening a half century earlier, the Second Great Awakening in North America reflected Romanticism characterized by enthusiasm, emotion, and an appeal to the supernatural.
It rejected the skepticism, deism, Unitarianism, and rationalism left over from the American Enlightenment, about the same time that similar movements flourished in Europe.
Pietism was sweeping Germanic countries and evangelicalism was waxing strong in England.
The Second Great Awakening occurred in several episodes and over different denominations; however, the revivals were very similar. As the most effective form of evangelizing during this period, revival meetings cut across geographical boundaries.
The movement quickly spread throughout Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee, and southern Ohio, as well as other regions of the United States and Canada. Each denomination had assets that allowed it to thrive on the frontier.
The Methodists had an efficient organization that depended on itinerant ministers, known as circuit riders, who sought out people in remote frontier locations. The circuit riders came from among the common people, which helped them establish rapport with the frontier families they hoped to convert.
The Advent Movement emerged in the 1830s and 1840s in North America, and was preached by ministers such as William Miller, whose followers became known as Millerites.
The name refers to belief in the soon Second Advent of Jesus (popularly known as the Second coming) and resulted in several major religious denominations, including Seventh-day Adventists and Advent Christians.
Now Bates was a radical Garrisonian abolitionist.
Unlike some abolitionists who were committed solely to the immediate abolition of slavery and had little interest as to the fate of blacks after that, Bates was also an outspoken advocate for equal rights for the oppressed.
Though there were many notable antecedents, historians often attribute the rise of the immediate abolition movement (“immediatism”) to William Lloyd Garrison (1805-1879), who began to publish The Liberator, a weekly paper dedicated to immediatism, in Boston in 1831. One year later, Garrison assisted in organizing the New England Anti-Slavery Society (renamed the Massachusetts Anti-Slavery Society in 1835) and in 1833 he co-founded the American Anti-Slavery Society-the first national society devoted to the immediate abolition of slavery in America. Garrison insisted that true Christians could not support the national government or established churches because they sanctioned slavery through law and fellowshipped with people who upheld the “peculiar institution.” In addition to advocating political and ecclesiastical comeouterism, Garrison’s broad-based peace platform also included promotion of pacifism and equal rights for blacks and women. Bates actively supported all of Garrison’s reforms and defended him publicly during the abolition schism of the late 1830s and early 1840s.
In the early 1830s, before he accepted immediate abolitionism, Bates had been an advocate of colonization. Propagated by the American Colonization Society (ASC), this scheme claimed it would gradually eliminate the problem of slavery by compensating slaveholders for their “property” while also making America white by shipping former slaves (most commonly) back to Africa. Many abolitionists had begun their anti-slavery reform in colonization circles, but beginning in the late 1820s, Garrison began to expose the ASC for what it was: a racist cause that actually perpetuated slavery by directly funding it. As he did so, northerners began to propagandize Garrison as a dangerous threat to national peace and northern respectability.
Joshua V. Himes, a close friend and colleague of Garrison’s, convinced Bates-also Himes’ close friend-that colonization was morally bankrupt and that Garrison had the right solution. But immediatism was a very radical scheme in antebellum America and most northerners scorned Garrisonians and sometimes inflicted violence upon them. In October 1835, for example, Garrison was nearly lynched by an angry mob in Boston. After working closely with Garrison for three years, however, Himes was convinced that it was worth the risk to follow Garrison because he “fearlessly and faithfully” exposed the sin of slavery and exhorted Americans “to an immediate repentance.” In February 1835, as Bates became attracted to Garrisonian abolition, Himes encouraged him to resolve “to support Mr. G. in all his efforts to disenthral [sic] and elevate the colored race.”
Convinced of a newfound moral duty, Bates fervently committed himself to Garrisonian abolition. The Garrisonians also immediately accepted Bates into their circle. Joseph and Prudence Bates regularly hosted traveling abolitionists in their home, including Samuel J. May, one of Garrison’s closest friends and confidants. In fact, in April 1835-barely two months after Bates’ conversion to immediatism-May referred to Bates in The Liberator as “our zealous fellow-laborer, Capt. Joseph Bates.”
Read more at: adventistreview.org/joseph-bates-and-adventisms-radical-roots/
The Christian Connection was not a Christian movement. They were Arian heretics. Fundamentally outside the bounds of being Christian.
Hi. I'm a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm interested in what critics of the church say and come up with. I agree with most of what you said about SDA's and their leaders. I do believe that SDA's follow the Bible more closely than other denominations. Blessings.
Fundamental belief#18 and vow#8
Read....
So Jesus was an archangel?
@@dwightwilliams311 The word angel means messenger. Michael means "one who is like God." The only arch angel revealed in scripture is Michael. Michael most likely is another one of Jesus many names throughout scripture. Blessings.
Dear friends
I am SDA. I was raised SDA. I struggled with the SDA message for some time but through study and prayer I intellectually continue in this faith and not with “blind devotion. It is my prayer you will with open mind read what I have to say in response to these episodes.
The first question I have is why are these “SDA experts” featured? Why is not a current SDA member on the panel for discussion? Over the years I’ve been exposed to individuals such as these ladies and rarely can an objective discussion ensue due to overwhelming bias. In fact the majority of the “facts” presented here are skewed to fit their narrative. Where is the balance? It is clear the Apologia hosts have already made up their minds before the conversation could even give anyone the opportunity to make an informed decision? Where are the biblical texts to back up the information presented? Where are the historical documents?
We should have learned over the past few years,in particular, that ad hominem,“character” attacks should alert to the fact something is amiss; this is exactly what’s going on here.
It should also be noted that anyone who’s “ministry” is for the primary purpose of discrediting a group might ought to raise some eyebrows as well. Aren’t there usually two sides to a story?
For instance they call attention to “insider” Sabbath school lessons and other written materials. The sole purpose for this is to make it seem secret or insider or cultish; these “experts” would have you believe there is some conspiratorial information ONLY for SDAs. I find this laughable. A simple Google search and you’ll find this “insider” information. The fact is anyone can acquire these items at adventistbookcenter.com/ and most of it on Amazon; not so insider…
These “experts” would have you believe Adventists hold some distorted view of the soul when in fact we hold the biblical view of soul sleep. (Ecc. 9:5) www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-
They would have you believe the Sabbath doesn’t matter. (Ex 20:8-11). They poke fun at the idea of a great controversy between Christ and Satan. But doesn’t the Bible introduce such an idea in Genesis 3:1? Did God really say? (Questioning God’s authority); What about Satan presenting himself in the councils of God regarding Job (Is anyone loyal to God?) Job 1:6-12); Lucifer wanting to ascend to the heavens (Be like the Most High) Isa. 14:14; The temptations of Christ (who will you worship?) Matt 4:1-11; Or how about Michael and his angels? (physical battle) Rev 12:7. Do these not at least allude to a struggle? Paul admonishes us not to forget we do not fight against flesh and blood (Eph 6:12). What about Christ sweating as it were great drops of blood in Gethsemane? Is that only from physical strain or perhaps He’s become the Sacrifice and the sins of the world are laid upon His head? Lk 22:44
There is spiritual battle. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
Again I ask is it too hard to believe in a controversy between Christ and Satan? If that’s not too much of a stretch then ask yourself why do these experts along with the hosts of Cultish poke fun; ad hominem.
I would suggest reading The Great Controversy for yourself with Bible in hand.
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132.2?ss=eyJwYXJhbXMiOnsicXVlcnkiOiJUaGUgZ3JlYXQgY29udHJvdmVyc3kgIiwibGFuZyI6ImVuIn0sInNnX2luZGV4IjoiMCJ9#2
They would have you believe William Miller came up with a “theory” of a day for a year to back up his end time predictions. A day for a year is not his “theory” but is in fact supported by the Bible itself. 1844madesimple.org/year-day-principle/
Another point. Does not Apologia Church hold to sola scriptura ( I’m not trying to attack this church; the question needs to be asked)?
If so then why do it’s pastors not teach Sabbath observance? Did not God say, “Remember the Sabbath day…? (Ex 20:8-11) Is there any biblical text(s) giving evidence to authority to remember the Sunday? Did Christ come to abolish the law or fulfill it? (Matt 5:17-20) Which law did he come to fulfill? Is Christ not the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? (Rev 13:8); Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system. He did not nail the Decalogue to the cross.
Jesus has identified His faithful remnant as those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus (Rev 12:17).
He did not say keep part or almost or do away with one of the commandments or it’s okay to keep a human tradition ( because it commemorates His resurrection)…no He has said if you love me keep commandments. (Jn 14:15). Nowhere in my Bible is there mention of commemorating His resurrection day on Sunday. I am not admonished in my Bible anywhere to honor a man made custom in lieu of. I just can’t find it anywhere and if evidence can be shown to the contrary I’d happily keep Sunday if that is God’s command.
So why do Protestants keep Sunday? By what authority? Where is the command found? These questions need to be asked.
Have you looked at the history regarding Sunday keeping? Do some digging.
Here’s an interesting article written some time ago. www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/
In fact further historical study regarding the Reformation leads to the Council of Trent. You may be shocked as to what was decided. And this may be hard to read but the council found the Protestant Reformation an unwarranted revolt. Why? Because they claimed the scripture alone as sole authority but Protestants stated in the Augsburg Confession they keep the “Lord’s Day” as appointed by the Church (Catholic). Thus the Council of Trent ruled the Reformation as nothing more than a revolt. And look what happened in October 2016; Protestants have gone into ecumenical council with Pope Francis in effect handling over the what remains of the Reformation. You can read more about here: www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/the-council-of-trent
And: amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/29/reformation-luther-pope-francis-catholics
This is a vast subject and I could say a lot more but please do not take my word for it.
This may discredit everything I’ve said thus far but what’s been presented here is false information and false teachings. These well intending individuals are leading folks down the wrong road. Please. Please. Do your own study. I’ve provide links; you can start there. And I’ll provide a few more resources below.
At the very least read the first chapter of The Desire of Ages, entitled, God with Us. Use your Bible compare this chapter with scripture . I challenge you to see if this is “cultish”. If that’s not convincing enough read the whole book or The Great Controversy along with your Bible. There’s no insider, secret information here. Read and study for yourself. m.egwwritings.org/en/book/130.21#21
Resources:
www.practicaprophetica.com/books/atj/romes-challenge-why-do-protestants-keep-sunday/
m.egwwritings.org/en/book/132/toc
rumble.com/vmod4z-wup-66-futurism-dispensationalism-antichrist-and-mark-of-the-beast-indonesi.html
Did you mention the fundamental beliefs and vows? And how egw writings are placed EQUAL to scripture....
Let's see here 🧐...
Vow #8: "I ACCEPT the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the IDENTIFYING MARKS of the REMNANT CHURCH."
Now let's see what fundamental belief #18 has to say about the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH 🤔....
FUNDAMENTAL BELIEF #18
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH and was MANIFESTED in the ministry of ELLEN G. WHITE.
(SO.... here we see that as a member of the REMNANT CHURCH you MUST vow to ACCEPT the IDENTIFYING MARK of the REMNANT CHURCH which was MANIFESTED in ELLEN G WHITES writings)
Now let's see what the spirit of prophecy herself has to to say about her writings....
ELLEN G WHITE:
We "MUST" follow the directions given through the spirit of prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy." (Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298)
@KING2RETURN
My comments present sources, "smarty"....the official SDA statements of beliefs.
You on the other hand can't seem to produce not "ONE".
But I get it, you can't back your claims up.. so you point in a different direction attempting to distract the situation 🥱.... typical troll activity.
@KING2RETURN
I already presented the official SDA statements of beliefs (sources)...
So are you going to easily refute me, or continue to talk like a genius?
Last I checked the apostles DEBATED against those teaching a different gospel and ultimately died for doing so in the name of Jesus, against unreasonable people....
Yet here you are responding for that third time running around the bush, like the coward you are.
Like I said.... trolls are exposed by refusing to debate.
Anyone can drop a bunch of links and expect others to read through all that material like it means something....
Few will bring the source and HIGHLIGHT the power points that contradict the entire system.
I've specifically pointed to two statements that contradict the entire SDA church.....yet the coward in you can't produce a response based on sources directly from the fundamentals that refute me.....I understand, you can't, plain and simple.
So your next response will be full of baseless opinions with One statement to back anything up
@KING2RETURN
Nice, you've totally refuted me on this one 😏..
For providing a perfect example of what a troll is, responding with this 👆
Not one source to justify anything, just saying that my information is wrong without any form of justification.
Typical 😏🥱
@KING2RETURN
So then the answer is yes, Ellen G White's writings are to be held EQUAL to scripture. At least you admitted it.
Placing her writings EQUAL to scripture 😏 SMH
The only thing, is that she took the writings of others DENIED doing it and claimed it all came directly from God. Which is against Deuteronomy 18:20
ELLEN G WHITE:
And here I would state that although I am dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen ARE MY OWN, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of quotation." (Review and Herald, Oct. 8, 1867)
LET'S CONTINUE....
WHITE ESTATES:
The great bulk of her comments deal only with the divine source of her material and tend to deny the influence of human thought and opinion. And, thus, while we have no problem with the fact that Mrs. White did borrow, we do wonder why she appears to have DENIED her borrowing."
Ron Graybill, Associate in the White Estate, Nov 1981 speaking to the Adventist Forum Board
LET'S CONTINUE......
James White:
"If Mrs. White has gathered the facts from a human mind in a single case she has in thousands of cases, and God has not shown her these things which she has written in these personal testimonies." (James White, Life Sketches (1880),
It would be very instructive for every modern day SDA to look into the trial of Israel Damon and descriptions of the spiritualism and fanaticism that existed in these meetings Ellen White participated in. As well the whole idea of the Orion nebula, i have seen the video put out by the Adventist media group regarding this and interestingly enough the "New Jerusalem" was portrayed as a Pyramid rather then the measurements described in the book of Revelation. It is basically an extension of the ancient Egyptian belief of the "region more enlightened" in Orion. Another observation on Grace is that when grace is presented to an Adventist from a Biblical perspective, they dismiss it and call it "cheap grace" because it does not conform to their belief in justification by works
Keeping the Sabbath is resting, it’s not working - so why not just come out and accuse us of salvation by rest ? 😊
@@annettemacintosh117 keeping the sabbath for your salvation is works, spiritual works, law-keeping over grace. And the rest from physical works was merely a shadow of the substance, rest from spiritual works of commandment observance for salvation, and accept the true rest, in Christ.
Ellen G. White, whatever her shortcomings, is a collective center of people who call themselves Seventh-day Adventists. If religion’s role in society is to bind people through the power of utterance or writings, Ellen white has already accomplished that goal. She may not have united all Christians but Mrs. White has significantly helped to create a community of millions of the faithful. She gave encouragement to people who were deeply disappointed following the failure of William Miller’s prophecies. In that way, she has served humanity. As a Baha’i interested in human unity, I celebrate Mrs. White’s achievement.
The problem is that her and her husband's teachings lead to people calling themselves remnant and dooming everyone to hell, including Bahai faith practitioners like yourself. She was also a massive hypocrite who ate pork and oysters while telling her followers to not do so, and to only buy her books (which allowed the Whites to become millionaires). The denomination was founded as a grift and a grift it is.
YYEEEEESSSSS I HAVE BEEN WAITING WAY TOO LONG FOR THIS!
I challenge all of you to read Desire of Ages, Steps to Christ or The Great Controversy , EG White’s writing are beautiful.
The books are beautiful but she plagerised them and said that God gave her the writings which was a lie
Amen I loved that book
Please read Romans 3:4. This is the verse to fall back on whenever there are contradictions about what Jesus Christ has accomplished for us
She stole them and told us God gave to her
There may be secondary disagreements about eschatological differences, but if you differ from apologia studios, you best disagree quietly and to yourself.
Great video. Great information.
This was very informative. Even though I read Kingdom of the Cults as a kid (yeah, I was weird), I tended to focus more on JWs and Mormons, because I had classmates of those religions. We did have some close neighbors who were SDA, and my mom seemed to embrace them as fellow Christians who just had some different practices. It makes sense, though, because my mom was raised in the Church of God, a Pentecostal offshoot. In fact, I couldn’t help but note the similarities between Mary Ellen White’s “visions” and the shenanigans that modern-day hyper-Charismatic pastors and online “prophets” try and pull.
This is miss information 101. You just wasted your time listening to this. On TH-cam is a movie "tell the world" about sda. Much better.
@@martinduplooy259 Tell the World is produced by the SDA church. Nikki and Colleen were correct. I was SDA from ages 24-52. I read a lot of EGW, my husband was a a generational SDA, went to all of the their schools through 4 years of college, and taught in the SDA school system for 25+ years. The SDA doctrines are unbiblical and EGW is a false prophet.
@@mimiwest3256 it's always been a heart issue and how you want to follow the Lord. They Sabbath is biblical.
@@martinduplooy259 The Sabbath is the sign of the Covenant God made with Israel. This is stated several times in the old Testament.
@@mimiwest3256 yes and they were Abraham's seed, in fact if you are circumcised you are also part of Abraham's seed, and circumcised by the heart is also part of Abraham's seed. So if you repent and baptised and follow Jesus (let him change your character) you are a spiritual Jew. So the Sabbath is a sign between him and you. Hope this is a blessing on to you.
Yea!! Thank you so much. This is great as i have been wading through the 7th day Adventists abhorrent doctrine with my Bio family for years now. I look forward to yet more ways to reach them in thier lostness with the reality of Jesus Christ. Cheers!
What Bible doctrine is abhorrent please?
There might need a part 3? This is deep do this ladies have a channel.
Former Adventist Podcast is a podcast as well as on TH-cam 🙂
I'm an ex Adventist but i was only there for a year. I grew up jw so i ask, what church can i look for? God bless
I am an ex-mormon. I think I heard that Ellen G. White had a first cousin who was a Mormon, and she quotes the BofM in her writings as her own, and one of her visions follows a story in the BofM. So there IS a connection there.
Ellen G White was a freemason. Joseph Smith was also a freemason.
Great informative discussion. Thank you to the guests for bringing out their knowledge and personal experience. It has to be hard to discuss these issues if you lived through them because of the underlying trauma I’m sure exists. I also appreciated the B.I.T.E method discussed which seems to be prevalent in all cults/cultish organizations.
59:04 Seventh-day Adventists Believe is an insider book? Are you serious? 🤣
Was talking to an sda pastor last week and asked him about their belief of satan and 1/3rd of Angel's falling before creation and he said it was not in scropture as much as it is supported by the great controversy context.
It’s the Book of Enoch..says 1/3 also says 200 fallen angel Nephilim. Most pastors don’t know this because they do stick to the 66 Books but they don’t know that evil Vatican was the origination of taking Bible books out of the Bible to hide them from humanity.
Apocryphal Books are valid and need to be read!
@@benjantzen8910 what does "valid" mean
@@SolaScriptura21 God-ordained and legitimate in the eyes of historical truths that align with biblical truth. It should be included in the canon of the Bible, but of course the evil Vatican wants to control what we can read and what we know, because they have now instituted themselves as God himself and place them selves on the same pedestal. Evil Vatican
People do not understand the investigative judgment, because they do not study the plan of salvation, as giving in the sanctuary message in the Old Testament. Which every New Testament believer, according to Hebrews 8:1 need to know.
Troll account ⚠️👆
I went to the 7th day eventist church for a little while and did some of there bible studies and didn't know how scripturally twisted they were until now. I am a Lutheran presently.
If they believe that Satan is the scapegoat, then that means Satan helps achieve our salvation? That's disgusting!
Yes, we believe that Satan is the scapegoat. No, we do not believe that he helped achieve our salvation. And yes if that were true it would be disgusting. But it isn't so it's not.
In the OT sanctuary example the sin if the people were placed on the scapegoat. This scapegoat was led to the wilderness never to be seen again. It was only symbolic of what happens to our sin.
The scapegoat represented Satan, obviously. The symbolismin this is not that Satan is taking our sin on him, rather, sin and the *originator* of sin will both come to an end.
@@Stefan-X24 not its not satan.
The scapegoat was for azazel whos dominion was in the desert. He was the lord of the dead. The scapegoat was sent into the desert, as to bring sin and all unholiness out of the land of God cause their land needed to be holy.
@@lincolnliking then you need to study Leviticus 16 better.
Leviticus 16:5 says BOTH goats are a part of a singular sin offering. You guys want to try and say in the type both goats represented the sin offering, but in the antitype only the "lord's goat" is a part of the sin offering, the scapegoat is Satan.
Make up your mind.
@@answeringadventism you've been throughly refuted on Jesus being Azazel or for Azazel. Ridiculous
Here's 2 quotes of Ellen G White 🙂🙏🙏🙏
"The greatest want of the world is the want of men-men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall."
Ellen G. White "Education Ch 7 Paragraph 20"🙂🙏🙏🙏
"Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves. He was condemned for our sins, in which He had no share, that we might be justified by His righteousness, in which we had no share. He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His.
“With His stripes we are healed.” Isaiah 53:5."
Ellen G White
The Desire of Ages 🙂🙏🙏🙏
She never differs one iota from the King James Version of the Bible 🙂🙏🙏🙏
Ellen White contradicts the Bible over 50 times. Here are two examples:
“Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or to feel that they are saved. This is misleading. Every one should be taught to cherish hope and faith; but even when we give ourselves to Christ and know that He accepts us, we are not beyond the reach of temptation. God's word declares, ‘Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried.’ Dan. 12:10. Only he who endures the trial will receive the crown of life. (James 1:12.)” (COL 155.1) 2.
“We are never to rest in a satisfied condition, and cease to make advancement, saying, ‘I am saved.’ When this idea is entertained, the motives for watchfulness, for prayers, for earnest endeavor to press onward to higher attainments, cease to exist. No sanctified tongue will be found uttering these words till Christ shall come, and we enter in through the gates into the city of God. Then, with the utmost propriety, we may give glory to God and to the Lamb for eternal deliverance. As long as man is full of weakness--for of himself he cannot save his soul--he should never dare to say, ‘I am saved’ (1SM 314.2).
And here are two more:
Did pre-flood humans mate with animals and give birth to new sub-human species and races?
EGW: YES "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64).
EGW: YES "Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 75).
BIBLE: NO Gen 1:24 - 25 (NIV) 24And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Five times in these two verses God states that animals can only reproduce according "to their own kinds." Horses cannot mate with birds and produce offspring -- neither can humans mate with monkeys and produce offspring. Even SDA scientists and the Ellen White Estate admit EGW was simply wrong.
Was the tower of Babel built before the flood?
EGW: YES "This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel" (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 301).
BIBLE: NO Gen 9:28, 11:4 (NIV) 28After the flood ... they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth"
Note: This was one of the first EGW contradictions that SDAs found and corrected. They claimed it was just a typographical error, forgetting that EGW claimed the "very word" she wrote came from God!
When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given to me (Selected Messages, vol. 3, pp. 51,52). 1907).
I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating or writing the vision as in having the vision (Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, p. 293).
@@JessicaPottorff030612
These first two quotes are spot on accurate. I have some personal experience with what EGW describes.
@@JessicaPottorff030612 Your accusations around the amalgamation of animals and beasts seems to revolve around your inability to understand English. You're implying what isn't there.
@@JessicaPottorff030612
I need to look into the Babel quotes but if your other accusations are systemic of the type of accusations you're making I assume your also wrong on the Babel quote.
What's crazy is the correlation with Dispensational Theology that ALL these cults come out of. Can't wait for the Dispensational Cult to be on this show.
Very interesting! I didn’t know the connection with dispensationaism. I grew up in CCCU and the book Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin was a staple in our home. I’d like to hear more about this as well.
I mistakenly wrote Charles, but it’s Clarence….
@@jenniferbtoo9344 I've been writing a book for a while now, but it just keeps getting deeper lol - a good source I found is A W. Pink and his 95 thesis of dispensationalism, he wrote this essay paper in the 1920s or 30s.
Ok thanks!! So much to unpack!
So I heard the claim that the Torah movement (Hebrew Roots) came out SDA and honestly the more I learn about it, the more I believe there is merit to that claim.
They were advertising a dating sight and having a good old gossip session. And these guys are concerned about a group of people that teach, love God, and love their neighbors through the keeping of God's commandments. Go figure; the Cultish guys teach lawlessness and the keeping of man-made holy days (that aren't holy days)-blind leading the blind.
True
That's exactly right, adventism uses double speak.
What do you mean?
Dr G.....doesn't even understand what he means himself....
He's just a troll using another account
@@nicetry620 why are you assuming I’m a man. I’m not btw. What is sin? It should be a simple question.
@@dr.g1482
So now we are going to start the whole pronoun thing 😏.... should have known you were one of those.
Sin is what "YOU" do daily?.....yes or no?
"The White Lie"- Walter T. Rea, an interesting read
Hiding in plain sight vol.1 ,2 & 3 by EJ Lauriston is also a good read.
@@calvindonaldson9879 Else Jr. Lauriston was a gang member and never appreciated anything Adventists did to help him. He is a lost soul who eats disgusting pork and rants false teachings.
Meaning?
@@calvindonaldson9879 do share
@@annettemacintosh117
EJ Lauriston was a former SDA pastor that was well grounded in the teachings of Ellen G. White. While studying Greek, he found a substantial amount of errors in her writings when interpreting scripture in Greek.
(10:00- 16) The Restoration Movement began about 1800 by Protestants who wished to unify Christians after the pattern of the primitive New Testament church. Restorationism is an indigenous American religious movement that avoids creeds, declaring “no creed but Christ” in the hopes of bringing all Christians into accord with the New Testament pattern described in the book of Acts. Today numerous congregations in Georgia exist as the result of the Restoration Movement.
It began in several places on the frontiers in Kentucky and southwest Pennsylvania. The success of the Cane Ridge Revival (a Kentucky camp meeting) persuaded Barton Warren Stone, who had taught school in Georgia, that all denominations needed to work together in order to reap the harvest of souls on the frontier. Together with several other ministers, he organized the “Christian” (or restoration) movement.
In 1807 Thomas Campbell, a Presbyterian minister of the Seceder Presbyterian Church of Scotland, immigrated to America. He had by this time adopted the idea of restoring the primitive church of the New Testament.
After he was suspended from his Presbyterian ministry for practicing open communion, he formed the Christian Association of Washington (in Washington County, Pennsylvania).
In 1809 he published Declaration and Address, a treatise rejecting denominationalism. That same year Campbell’s son Alexander joined him in Pennsylvania after completing his studies at the University of Glasgow in Scotland, where he had learned about the ideas of James Alexander Haldane and Robert Haldane regarding restorationism.
The Christian Association of Washington was reconstituted as the Brush Run Church, and by the summer of 1812 Alexander Campbell believed that the New Testament mode of baptism was by immersion.
The Campbells joined the Redstone Baptist Association in 1813. The younger Campbell then began preaching and debating publicly throughout Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Tennessee, and western Virginia.
In 1832 the “Campbellites,” or Disciples of Christ, as they preferred to call themselves, joined with the “Christians,” or followers of Stone, at Lexington, Kentucky, and grew rapidly. However, half of Stone’s group did not join the new group, forming instead a Christian fellowship that merged nearly a century later, in 1931, with the (Puritan) Congregational Church (part of the United Church of Christ since 1957).
In 1849 the Disciples organized the American Christian Missionary Society.
The Restoration Movement’s motto, “Where the Scriptures speak, we speak; where the Scriptures are silent, we are silent,” however, led strict restorationists to oppose missionary societies, because the Bible does not explicitly advocate the use of missionaries.
As liberal theology, which encourages the inclusion of modern concepts in and the individual interpretation of religious doctrine, spread in the latter part of the nineteenth century, tensions developed within the movement.
Schism became official in Religious Bodies, a document first issued in 1906 by the U.S. Census Bureau, which listed the strict restorationists as the churches of Christ separately from the Disciples of Christ.
By 1927 the independent Disciples of the “brotherhood” (a term used to avoid “denomination”) who wanted to escape the growing centralization and liberalism of the movement formed the North American Christian Convention.
By 1971 they were listed in the Yearbook of American Churches as the Christian Churches and Churches of Christ.
www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/arts-culture/restoration-movement/
I was standing outside, when Coleen spoke of Orion so I looked at it. A shooting star streaked from the Belt at that moment. It's a sign! Um, no... But what a coincidence. 🙏
I was in the SDA Church from about 10 years old till I was around 21. I fell away not really because of doctrine or because it is a false church. My following always was more because of a false conversion. However I always knew something wasn’t quite right. In a lot of ways after looking back it did very much feel like a Cult. I would have considered myself pretty well studied in the SDA beliefs and history. However later, and including today after watching this I realize that what I was taught was Not The entire story. The church was very legalistic and harsh. I honestly, looking back, cannot ever remember a sermon or teaching on Grace. Was never told that we were unable to be good enough to keep the law. But I do very much for a member the stringent rules surrounding Sabbath keeping and what we ate as a means to be good enough to make it to heaven. I do remember being taught that the church was God‘s remnant Church and that Ellen White was a prophet who’s writings were equal to scripture. I also remember the manipulation and mental abuse that was rampant in the church. I know it’s not exclusive to this denomination, but there was also a very alarming case of sexual aabuse. i’m in my mid 40s now. It has been within the last five years that I found my way back to God and heard the true gospel and realizing that I had a false conversion and been a part of a cult.
You are absolutely correct in your views of Adventism. My husband and I left about 20 years ago. He was a generational SDA and taught in their schools. It is legalistic, unbiblical in their unique doctrines, and I too really never heard the Gospel. C hurch was always, "I'm so thankful for the Sabbbath". The Sabbath was always the main thing!
From my understanding while I was a SDA is they do teach about grace. Grace through faith. And that it isn't necessarily your actions that save you but they are fruit of your faith. Your "works" are a evidence of your faith another words. Faith without works is dead.
I do feel like they do have a lot right but there is a lot I don't agree on. This is why I left the church
@@mimiwest3256 agree it always irked me "happy sabbath" like seriously... Sabbath points to our eternal rest in Jesus. But then again they believe Michael is Jesus so false christ false gospel. It's so so sad I pray they will find the true meaning of grace through Christ...
@@rager4able lovely, I like your comment, it’s genuine.
Please may I know what it is in the Bible doctrines that Seventh day Adventists teach, that you find challenging so that I might understand..thank you
@@mimiwest3256 the Sabbath is the main thing because God has made it the main thing see Revelation 14:7,12 God has elevated the Sabbath not to harm us but to reconcile us to Himself, He is trying the best way possible to call His people away from the tree of death which in this case is the so called “Christian sabbath” which will be the destruction of many many souls.
We must always listen to what we are told or read in scripture to hear Gods voice speaking to us in order to save us because that’s the only reason why God keeps on sharing His sabbath truth which is growing louder and louder and louder by the day, it’s almost all one hears these days because Jesus is coming soon, do you really want to be found denying that He is the creator God and our redeemer by your practise of disobedience? Doesn’t Hebrews 5:9 say that salvation is for those who obey God?
TY for posting truth about the SDA beginnings!
Thanks for this information. I'm still working my way through this. This is one group I've never known much about. There's an SDA church building a few blocks from me. I was so alone and so desperate in 2020-21 that I seriously considered walking in. I decided against it because I didn't know enough about them. Plus, the people I saw going in & out were masked anyway. I likely wouldn't have been allowed inside, just like I wasn't allowed in my own church.
This is misinformation 101. Watch TH-cam movie "Tell the World."
@@martinduplooy259 what do you mean?
The best way to find out what someone believes is to ask them. Not to ask someone else about what they believe. Do unto others as you’d have them do to you.
As a former SDA, I would not advise anyone to attend. Their doctrines are unbiblical and Ellen White is a false prophet.
@@sarahworrall6734 the movie on youtube "Tell the World " about Ellen White and how the church started.
57:27 Thank you so much for actually reading the official Seventh-day Adventists position on salvation by grace alone through faith alone.
This was so interesting but very sad,so decieved it's a shame,I pray that people come out🙏🇬🇧💗
I was a SDA for 23 years (I’m 42), I am interested in listening to this.
I wish I could believe everyone that claims to have visions
I go to an adventist Church they rarely ever mention Ellen G White. When they do they just kind of quote some of her writings which aren't unbiblical in her opinions. I never once heard them talk about her being a prophet or visions and all this other stuff.
I think the whole "Seven Day Adventist is a Cult" is not only extremely exaggerated it's just flat out wrong.
Seven Day Adventist are just your run of the mill Trinitarian Christians.
Here's a thing to you must understand about seven-day Adventist Is each church is granted a lot of autonomy. So one church might be like full-on Ellen G White Cult. No Meat, No smoking, No Coffee, Every Woman has to wear long dresses etc.
Then another Church is just regular folks and they eat meat and drink coffee
@@starcityrc3298 I understand but the facts are these, she made false prophecies and literally taught damnable doctrines , and the SDA church is her creation. All SDA church awknoledge her, wether it be hardline cultist SDA churches, or moderate SDA churches like yours. Her teachings are anti biblical , doesn't matter if they don't bring her up much in your church or bring her up only a little bit, a little bit of leaven leavens the WHOLE lump. Just go to a different church . GO to a Baptist church or non denominational , or free church , or any other bible based church that's not based on a man or woman.
@@starcityrc3298 I struggled with the same thought process too. I have several Christian friends who are adventists and who I would say by their fruit have been born again. The hook line and sinker for me was the doctrines that the church subscribes to. In order for me to be baptized I had to agree to all those fundamental beliefs like:
when Jesus said on the cross “it is finished” Adventist say well not technically because there is now the investigative judgement where God is looking over my case of sins..: How utterly blasphemous to our Lord Jesus and his sacrifice!! 😭
there is the sabbath keeping and shame on those who go on Sunday as we will receive the mark of the beast in end times. I had nightmares of this as a child. ( please know, The Sabbath commandment was a foreshadow of the rest we are to receive in Jesus’ sacrifice he made on our behalf.)
Soul sleep - just read Philippians and see how wrong this is. To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord.
Being “Born Again” is never talked nor even a thing even tho for me it was the most profound experience I ever had! I literally felt like I woke up with different DNA..: thank you Jesus!!
Also their “gospel” is called the 3 angels gospel which isn’t even the gospel message Paul got and wrote straight from Jesus. Paul said if anyone, even an angel distorts this let him be accursed. This means SDA religion is CURSED!
It was the devil who tried to use scripture to make Jesus sin and it is the devil twisting and using scripture to remove the power of the blood from the SDA church. So many are not born again and so many don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus, they have instead family tradition and a prideful heart that says they are the “remnant” church and therefore automatically saved.
This may not be true for you but if you know Jesus and love him you will ask him to reveal the truth to you and you will do as I did and chose to follow Jesus over any religion no matter the cost!
@@starcityrc3298 I somewhat agree with you. I think what it’s missing is a current authoritative figurehead. A figurehead in which the congregation blinded allegiance to. Like it said, figurehead, said, OK, it’s all time to kill ourselves, the congregation would follow through with it. If that happened 95% of the church would walk away. However, if your current view, is that LDS and Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult, I think by that definition you have to come to the conclusion that, so is SDA.
(9:11) just a gentile reminder that all genuine followers of Christ have been labelled a cult/sect/heresy as pointed out by Paul and recorded by Dr Luke the gentile historian in
NLT
Acts 24:14“But I admit that I follow the Way, which they call a cult.
I worship the God of our ancestors, and I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets.
15I have the same hope in God that these men have, that he will raise both the righteous and the unrighteous.
16Because of this, I always try to maintain a clear conscience before God and all people.
NKJV
Acts14But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect,
so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
15I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.
16This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.
KJV
14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy,
so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
So don’t think that this that you do is a new thing, it’s not! And btw the way that you know that Seventh-day Adventists are Gods remnant is by examining the historical timeline in Revelation 10:11
The message we are commissioned to teach as the everlasting gospel (Revelation 14:6-12)
The fact that we have the gift of prophecy in our midst (Revelation 12:17; 19:10)
The biblical doctrines that we teach in harmony with what Christ taught (Luke 24:27) and commissioned Saul of Tarsus/Paul to teach to the gentiles (Galatians 2:8) as Peter taught it to the Jews as pointed out in (Acts 24:14-16)
That we are the only “Tota sola scriptura” (the whole Bible only) Protestant Christian denomination upholding the original Bible doctrines of Christ as the Protestant reformers did, not having forgotten our Protestant roots (Psalm 119:105)
If you can find another movement that fits the criteria then join them but until you can do so know this, that the Seventh-day Adventists and not the orthodox believers is the flock into which God is calling you today (John 10:16) choose you this day whom you will serve (Joshua 24:15; 2 Corinthians 6:2)
I was actually doubting that SDA was a cult until I read the last sentence of your comment, and it made me realize there really is some thought control going on there. "Us vs them" thinking is a major thought control device.
It's also true of every Christian based cult to find some new or changed rule and make it super important.
So after reading your response specifically, I'm more convinced SDA is a cult. Thank you for shining the light on it.
I knew Pastor James was old but I didn't know his wife founded 7th day Adventism 🤣
Jk Pastor James, please don't destroy me 😅
Interesting a podcast about “apologetics” by asking people who don’t believe in the doctrines. It’s like having a debate with someone you agree with.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Just because you make a statement that Seventh Day Adventists are not a part of the “Protestant community” doesn’t make it a fact. SDA’s in fact came out of several Protestant doctrines. It is by its very nature a Protestant community because it is not catholic.
I take it then your Bible does not have the book of Revelation as that is where you find the 3 angels message?
You never did explain exactly what the “accursed” message is. It certainly isn’t the 3 angels message.
I'm sure you could find someone that left the church that the "cultish" guys belong to, that believes that church is a cult. Because someone doesn't like the church they left doesn't make that church bad or a cult, necessarily.
I think that any church that entertains christmas and easter has strayed from the truth.
@@scottandchels6813 You misunderstand. Everyone I have encountered who has departed the SDA chruch has done so due to the heretical SDA doctrine. The SDA chruch is a non-Christian church which teaches such heretical doctrines as a Christ who did NOT die on the cross for the sins of mankind an a 3 Angels gospel which is not found in the bible.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, *let him be accursed.* As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, *let him be accursed.*
@@AcademyApologia Yeshua fully preached and taught true torah, unpolluted by man-made traditions. The Jewish Shepherds lead the people astray, just as the Christian shepherds do today.
The gospel that is different leads people to lawlessness. Do you belong to a lawless cult?
Mat 7:22-23 TS2009 22 “Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’ 23 “And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!' Psa. 6:8.
You could bash the SDA church and Ellen G. White all you want, but you can't bash the fact that God's 7th Day Sabbath is on Saturday, not Sunday. The Catholic Church even says, "People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventist, and keep Saturday holy." (St Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995)
Nice attempting to deflect from exposing the sda church, while bashing the Catholic Church.
How about you tell us when the sabbath was COMMANDED and to whom?
Go ahead we'll wait ⏳
You could read online how the Catholic Church made the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday!
Notice they don't reply to this. Because they can't dispute it.
@@markphelps9218
Not everyone is Catholic, "smart one".....
Not everyone cares about claims outside the bible being made to justify the sabbath.
I also find it interesting how you refuse to debate Ellen G White 😏🤫🤐
@@nicetry620 I'm learning, not disputing or debating
Plus, I am more in line with other Sabbatarion beliefs since there are almost 600 denominations worldwide. Not just sda.
@@markphelps9218
You just called out the majority of commentators for not being willing to dispute the sabbath argument, in you're initial response to this section 😏...
Now all of a sudden you're contradicting yourself.
My brother and his wife just got baptized at the 7th day Adventist church.... relationship with them is complicated...I'm at a loss, honestly.
Keep praying for them, drop seeds where you can if they come to you asking questions be prepared. But live out your faith with Christ in love...I still pray for them but one thing I learnt legalism is deaf...God will sort them out
My wife went to a 7th day adventist, and her parents still do.
But i can tell you there is a lot of difference between adventists and adventists.
My parents in law dont hold to the official adventist teachings and are closer to reformed theology than 7th day adventists. Actually most of their church dont believe the official teachings. They mostly are just convinced that we should have the 7th day as a rest day because the bible doesnt explicitly changed that.
They are just under the banner of 7th day adventists because they are dependent on their money simply for existance. Most dont really care about Ellen white either.
Luckily my wife is not anymore so against sunday church as she was in the beginning and is just at the point of idk whats right. She is conviced that the official 7th day adventist church is cultish with wrong teachings.
So what im trying to say is, not all adventists are perse holding to all official doctrines. So there is still hope for your brother.
Pray for them, thats best you can do. And study more about the history of that church and maybe they'll see some day that its not really kosher
@@markdonnaabbott3977 There is nothing "legalism" about Adventist beliefs. My research for a book shows that while there are about 22 million Adventists, there are more than one hundred million people in various denominations all over the world who ALSO observe the Sabbath, avoid tobacco, alcohol and unclean meats, baptize by immersion, believe in the Trinity, etc. just as Adventists do! It is the Catholics and Evangelicals and Jews who are confused.
@@menknurlan Your wife has not had a genuine religious conversion.
They need to realize that adventism has a false gospel that will condemn them and is works based.
(5:19) so what of it?
Martin Luther didn’t keep the Sabbath, God didn’t show him the Sabbath truth, instead He showed him
Habakkuk 2:4 the just shall live by faith,
…today however, God is emphasising His Sabbath and elevating His fourth commandment according to Revelation 14:7 by drawing attention to the fact that the change from Sabbath to Sunday is the mark of the beast, (Revelation 14:9) whom Martin Luther (along with many of his contemporaries in the Protestant reformation) identified in Revelation 13:18 as the papacy.
Now this is a salvific doctrine whereas not understanding the holy trilogy is not a salvific matter (Deuteronomy 29:29)
Martin Luther believed in soul sleep the complete opposite of today’s Christianity. Martin Luther considered people who believed in immortality of the soul heretics. Martin Luther today would resemble a seventh day Adventist more than an average every day American Christian today. Martin Luther would have agreed with the SDA that the Roman papacy is the antichrist. Oh, but today’s Christianity won’t tell you that, the truth basically.
Blessings to your Colleen and your ministry 🙏Evangelizing the people of Redlands and beyond 🤗Blessings to Trinity church as well 💛
Not blessings; CURSES because they LIE about Adventists!
You're meant to be save while others who are still in that cult are meant to be dammed
@@markrobby7136 The Adventist Church is NOT A CULT. That is a LIE. And curses to anyone who makes false claims.
@Charity , yes, indeed curse be the ones who preach outside what the Bible teaches according to the scripture. You claimed that SDA is a church, and I must say to you that you wish it's, but you chose to be in a cult of anti Christ holding on to the shadow - laws - instead of Christ. You preach Sabath instead of the blood of Christ that atoned for the believers' Sins. See, Church is the bride or the body of Christ and SDA isn't included just as Islam, Judaism or JW and the rest cults are not included because they all trample under their feet the blood of Christ and seeking their own righteousness and failed miserably as the J3ws of Jesus days that Christ would call them pharisees, vipers, snakes amd even the Children of the devil. So SDS is pretty in the same category, and Jesus Christ is actually calling you people out right now and telling you to repent and be saved.
@@charity2275
False claims?🤔....what happened to answering with actual evidence like maybe a source or two
Associated with Dale the Rat, that explains it. Enough heard! These ladies were never truly saved or a real SDA if they were they never would have left, our teachings are 100% Biblical, and I can say that because I was a Baptist trying to do the same thing this video does and discredit the SDAs after 10 years of study I converted because they are right.
at around 6:40 she says Adventists don't believe the father and the son share substance.
She must not have read Ellen white's statement:
"With what firmness and power he uttered these words. The Jews had never before heard such words from human lips, and a convicting influence attended them; for it seemed that divinity flashed through humanity as Jesus said, “I and my Father are one.” The words of Christ were full of deep meaning as he put forth the claim that he and the Father were of one substance, possessing the same attributes. The Jews understood his meaning, there was no reason why they should misunderstand, and they took up stones to stone him.. ST November 27, 1893, par. 5
She reminds me of Sandra Tanner in her knowledge.
"Hiding in Plain Sight the false Doctrine of the Seventh Day Adventist Church by former Adventist evangelist EJ Thunder Lauriston is a great read , all 3 volumes
Amen! You recommend a great book and an author who dismantles the SDA doctrines one at a time.
Elce Jr Lauriston is a former gang member, drug user, who didn't appreciate the many good things Adventists did to help him. He is just as confused and deluded as Dale Ratzlaff, another former SDA heretic whom he believed. I've read both their books and find enormous flaws, falsehoods and sloppy research. And they expect their audiences to accept their unfounded claims without doing their own research.
@@charity2275 Jesus takes sinners and turns them into saints , He took EJ out of SDA cult and made him into a preacher of the Gospel
@@umabrijmohun6720 Elce Lauriston was a gang member, doing drugs and in legal trouble. An Adventist HELPED him change his life, Adventists paid for his college education and he was ALREADY preaching when he decided the SDA Sanctuary Doctrine was not in the Bible. But that's because he was reading a modern English translation that is far different from the good old King James. SDA is NOT A CULT. In fact, Walter Ralston Martin said it wasn't and he stayed at an Adventist health center when he was dying.
@@umabrijmohun6720 did you not know that “the Way” has always been called a cult?
Do not the Seventh day Adventists teach exactly the same as what Paul taught to the gentiles in His day according to Acts 24? Let’s take a look and see
14“But I admit that I follow the Way, *which they call a cult. *
I worship the God of our ancestors,
and I firmly believe the Jewish law and everything written in the prophets.
15I have the same hope in God that these men have,
that he will raise both the righteous and the unrighteous.
16Because of this, I always try to maintain a clear conscience before God and all people.
Seems like we Seventh day Adventists are still suffering the same persecution today as Paul did for following “The Way” 😊
Long time listener, long time fan... But I was afraid this day would come😅
Why you afraid?
The episode has made a lot of points and will lead to a lot of research😅
@@timothyelems1357 Oh dear. God in His grace and mercy for you will shine a light on your path, And you will know the truth and it will set you free.
Seek God with all your heart mind and strength, He will lead your paths and the Holy Spirit will teach you what you need to know.
I know the path you're on and it's a difficult road. You will lose much but gain oh the much more. For we must worship God in truth and in spirit.
Yell out if you need a hand for videos etc but my greatest blessing was searching the Scriptures and taking the sda goggles off and letting God's word speak for itself. My answers were found in the feasts as well as Romans, Hebrews and Galatians. Comparing what they taught and what God teaches and in context, cos context matters 😆
The Lord is calling you to go deeper with Him, it's a blessing.
I will pray for you.
@@timothyelems1357 you could post your email...when I tell you I got it you can delete
I'm not a seven-day adventist, but the thing that really amazes me is the attacks that the SDA get for merely saying that we should obey God's will. It's absolutely bizarre to watch. From my perspective, people rather have their Friday night Sports then obey God's will. America is doomed, we can't confront our own sins. What I have done is watched many of these videos and then researched all the accusations of the SDA church and have only found one legitimate concern.... a slight preference towards veganism. There's some serious Pagan attributes to that, otherwise there really is no issue.
You got to ask, how did Miller come up with that exact date of Oct 22?? Why not Oct 19 or 20??
This is how he did it..He asked a couple of Jews about the cleansing of the sanctuary..Yom Kippur..The annual event held on Tishri 10 of the Jewish calendar..
Guess what!! In 1844, that Tishri 10 would have been Sept 23 1844
A whole month off..So the disappointment was even more so because this infamous date is wrong..
What a way to start a cult..