When you get dupes of units you’ve already made 100% you could try making a different potential system build for that same character and keep both in your box. That’s a lot of work but it’s not like you plan on quitting dokkan. It would be nice to see a unit with a very offensive build vs a defensive build of the same character
@@prestoncockrell1567 I mean I remember those days when truth would start a video laughing and start baba shopping LR’s but yeah being the ultimate dokkan whale with the idea of collecting 1 of every unit is pretty box consuming
As someone who loves using 21’s team, I hope we get a harder boss than fusion Zamasu that doesn’t AOE cause she’d unironically be way better, and would honestly make a ton of units have more value
@@googoongga Yea dude I’ve been running her on full peppy gals on Global cause I got LR ribrianne, very excited for when the Anni events drop on global, we finally out of the AOE trenches
5:50 thanks for mentioning this. I personally listen to you a lot because of the many critics you have about units but I don't follow everything you say because I use units in different manners compared to you. I barely even fight red zone if I don't have a mission over there. So, my units are more about how useful are they in other content. AGL buu for example was very useful in the zombie events from fighterz and is crushing wt right now.
Honestly the top part of this list is so good that I don’t care to debate which one goes where. I just love how the trash at the bottom is being taken out.
@@SabzBerries me when my limit breaker ssj4 Vegito doesn’t do a 15m, into a 16m into another 16m super with guaranteed crit with 60% DR then repeats on the next turn including his active that does an additional 12m
@@DannyBlazorme when hirudegan does the same fucking thing with 70% dodge instead but it becomes 100% when he dodges 3 attacks and he’s getting 10% dodge chance per attack he dodges
The reason you dont understand the hate on 21 is because of one simple reason; Omega not being out on global. Seriously, thats it. Fusion Zamasu IS like an island all to himself, because even the zamasu fight is clearly a step below it, meaning the only avaliable 'hardest content' is FZ.
The gamma 1 disrespect is honestly baffling. His video yesterday against fusion zamasu Gamma 1 literally tanked an AOE and a Super attack back to back and he didn’t even have a good linking partner. A character who can tank in the hardest fight being so low is nothing but disrespectful.
He can very easily be argued over 21 or Gohan Piccolo, don’t worry about it. I think the list is really good, but these three characters are very close to one another.
They did a good job with these units. I feel like they should’ve made hirudegarns leader skill time traveler and transformation boost but asides from that can’t complain.
The only reason I'd say SSJ3 Goku is better is because he has a scouter. You can just use his standby, see the super attacks, reset the game, and then choose whether to use the active or not. That's better then anything to me.
I’m not gonna lie. I feel like Truth putting piccolo jr so high is partially because of his bias towards extreme characters. He said it himself when evaluating 21 “characters need to be good at the start of the fight” and piccolo jr just isn’t that. Unlike 23wt Goku and Godku, this guy has no defensive mechanics aside from his stats, which means he gets squished turn one and two and if he doesn’t triple super. I don’t think he’s better than godku or 23wt goku
I wish global would have pity on us and just skip trunks, kale, and the androids and just give us the gohan and piccolo and then the new years units lmao
5:51 Well in a Gacha game, especially where not all cards are on the same version, this will be true. Not everyone has every new card, nor the same team to support them if they do have it.
If haridugarn was a goku i'd agree that he'd be #1 on this list, but his teams hold him back. I'd slide him underneath piccollo jr till he gets a good 170 or 200%. And vegeto i'd put at #4. If 9th anni introduces new powercreep (which it could) vegeto might have to be thrown off the list completely with how the rest of the team can be powercrept easily
We're almost certainly not getting another meta shift for 9th anni. 7th anni was the first meta shift after category leads, which came after 120% leads. We're most likely not getting another meta shift that invalidates your entire box for a long while.
I would guess it's because metal cooler needs to be the one hit to get that revive. And I can't remember but he doesn't get any boost once he gets his revive (he's still the same). And lastly he is an extreme character. Revives got buffed when characters such as teq tournament goku could use others revives to get buffed. Don't know if there's any extreme characters that has that same mechanic.
It’s still crazy to me how on Twitter I was saying vegito will be a number one tur and he actually is the number one and is staying number one after New Years
I actually disagree with vegito being the best even though i have him rainbowed LL10 with a full dodge build with some additional. Hes just too restricted to be considered the best because his team holds him back so much. Not so much as a unit like kale but its so much easier to just use a unit like god goku on any team and have him dominate. For me ease of use is more important than potential individual power.
Really? For me his team doesn't hold me back at all. Only thing that gets me killed is the enemy supering someone that isn't Vegito and them not dodging (Fu), but that's an issue all teams in the game have
@@StarNameKev even vegito will take almost 300k from int zamasu if he gets supered before attacking which is often because usually zamasu immediately throws a super and zamasu doesnt even hit all that hard. And on a team with 500-600k hp youre already below half.
5:36 to 6:01 This is the most ironic and hilarious thing truth can ever say because his community is exactly this they can't think for themselves and if you disagree with them they shit on you so does truth literally all the time
@ningenslayer6306 It shows you how pathetic his community is these idiots can't think for themselves they've gotta have truth do it for them amd it is the most pathetic thing ever
What? SSJ3 goku has 10% more chance to dodge than Godku but can ONLY be in slot 2 or 3, yet that small dodge chance difference is better than Godkus guard, stacking, and can be in any slot? You literally have to run godku slot 1 to protect ssj3 goku as he would get folded hard lol
God goku needs 6 orbs every turn, that's worse than ssj3 needing to be in slot 2 or 3 considering he's just a type orb changer. SSJ3 goku has way more raw defense post SA, he does WAY more damage, and has the ability to remove the boss super in his standby, he's basically TUR orange piccolo. I love godku, but it's time to accept that better units have come out.
SSJ3 standby is a ghost usher essentially with a counter that does 20 million. I think the better argument would be Majunior and SSJ3, where I’d personally have Majunior higher
@@blazeburn0022 6 orbs isnt hard when theres several rainbow orb changes on his teams as well as he makes his own orbs tol SSJ3 goku has about 900k after supering, but gets destroyed by AOE normals pre super tho while godku turn 1 has 552k defense with guard turn 1 so yeah i would easily rather take godku because he has guard, as well as thats just his first turn, on his second turn he can have 760k defense and guard which is then way better than ssj3 goku and godku will just continue growing from there Way more damage??? He does like 12mil with 50% chance to crit so its like 18mil Godku does 7mil then guranteed 7mil so thats 14mil, but since he has additionals his HP is much more likely so he can then 50% of the time nearly get another 7mil and be between 14mil and 21mil so its not that big of a difference actually, and actually more in godkus favor as most of the hardest bosses are INT so he already has type advantage I wont argue about the standby, but SSJ3 goku as a standalone unit is not better than godku at all lol
@@blazeburn0022I really don't think there is much of a difference b/w godku and ssj3 Goku,both have slightly different problems and slight advantages,ssj3 Goku in standby is absolute fodder of a unit(he is MUI)truth saying 2 or 3 attacks could kill him had me dying cause he died to cell in his first ssj3 video to a single normal ,you can literally be cucked just like how ssj4 Goku can(not getting standby)and how godku can too(by his orbs),as time goes by people will realize this,in base he has 70% but he is reliant on stats for defense,if an aoe touches him he is dead,post transformation for both I'd say ssj3 Goku is better cause of that dodge post finisher,I place them equally and do remember this is subjective my godku has been too consistent for me(way above average)and legitimately sold only 4 times since the day he came out
before i even start watching, this year has been one of the worst years of characters. this year has been the only time its felt like the kits they made for these units intentionally have planned obsolescence.
@@mitarc i understand how people would come to that conclusion but ive come to disagree. in the short term, yes its easier to skip shitty/mid characters and save for the more hype celebrations, in that sense yeah its a good thing. BUT, in the long term this is going to have a bad effect on future banners and niche categories, let me give you an example. right now you can easily skip the upcoming super trunks because he himself is not very reliable. right now thats a good thing because you get to hold on to those stones. the problem comes along later though, because lets say they release a character that is a good release (lets say its like ssj vegeta or something) and super trunks is featured. if you summon, youre going to feel like ass if you pulled super trunks instead of the new vegeta because he doesnt really have much value. on its face, bad characters making it easier to skip seems like a good thing in the moment, but in reality its just going to lower the quality on future banners. this metric similarly also applies to categories. most super class teams this isnt really an issue, but in the long tun for extreme class teams this becomes detrimental. look at turles, hes one of the few premium big bad bosses characters we got this year and him being bad has started to show itself a problem because more of the older BBB units have fell victim to power creep and now those teams are lacking. GT bosses is another example, them making super 17 bad in the long run hurt omega. people have to start thinking about this with its future landscape in mind.
@@mitarc i also forgot to mention, major celebrations dont usually buff the categories that need the help the most either. that by itself isnt a bad thing, i think major celebration should have the hype stuff, but that doesnt mean the stuff released between has to be bad because it will ruin the quality and banners of future releases
Hirudegarn over SSJ3 Goku is just objectively wrong. Do a few runs in Merged Zamasu, Omega or any boss with both of these units and tell me with which one you'll win with more. Spoiler: It'll ALWAYS be SSJ3 Goku you will win with more. Goku has a million amazing teams with great partners and rotations everywhere. Hirudegarn doesn't. Not only that, I'd say SSJ3 Goku is straight up better performance-wise ignoring teams. He has way better utility (support & scouter) and has an easier time to get his guaranteed dodge turn compared to Hirudegarn. Can't get caught as easily as Hirudegarn because most of the time Goku in his standby has either a 90% chance to dodge or guaranteed dodge after doing the Dragon Fist. This placement just seems wrong. Didn't YOU literally say that you "can't win" with Hirugarn's teams in your videos? And now you place him #1? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
It's because his dodge narrative would fall apart if he gave Goku the spot since despite the standby phase of Goku, Hirudegarn's dodge is more apparent in his transformed state and his entire kit is built around his dodge. Dafat can't handle being wrong and accepting dodge or die characters suck ass if they don't have other aspects to their kit ala Goku.
I love it when my SSJ3 Goku dies to normals in his standby before he can even launch his counter, at least Hirudegarn only has to worry about super attacks.
@@Depressosaur Oh yeah? Hirudegarn getting one shotted by PHY Zamasu's NORMAL is actually pretty common. It's actually insane how disingenous you are. SSJ3 Goku tanks Zamasu easily and doesn't have to worry about supers cause he has the scouter so we know where they are placed at all times, on top of having a 100% chance to counter them and then having 100% dodge for the rest of the turn. He also normally sits at a 90% chance to dodge most of the time which is higher than Hirudegarn's usual, 70%. Also you can simply activate the standby and then reset the game. That way you know what spot the super is placed in and SSJ3 Goku is still in his base.
Ssj4 LB vegito is a fucking monster, no unit even close. His restrictions are Achilles heal but he works so well with lr int ssj4 Goku for the tag out after turn 6. Giant ape power is very good team if you have all the ssj4s
Kid goku should be #6. I put that boy in slot 1 against fusion zamasu without being scared at all. He is way too good on any of these saiyan teams, he can tank and he gives support. While I love Android 21 she isn’t even the best unit on her team, and Gohan and piccolo are ass without reviving. Gamma 1 is a good unit too but he just doesn’t fit on most viable movie heroes setups.
Because Dokkan themselves did not give him the "Dokkan Fest" label and Because you can't get him with red coins. That would be like calling AGL Tapion and Masked Saiyan Dokkan Fests
I see why you put the new years above but I disagree they are kind of modern dodge or die units. Majunior has a lot of teams he can be used on and can perform even better and tank supers without big bad bosses which goku can’t even do at all even post super. Also his standby imo is a lot worse than majuniors giant form because cancelling the aoe and the super is a lot more the entire team. Not to mention you can still very much due in Gokus standby because he’s not tanking normals and is just a modern ui until you use dragon fist. Hirrudegarn is a lot closer to piccolo imo but having literally no teams rn really hurts him
MJ needs to build up could get you killed early on. Also WT isn't really something to count for a unit if it was str lr broly and super broly are better than the whole list. He's only dodge or die pre super after super he tanks as well as MJ.
Hirudegarn cannot be number 1 currently, he has no teams. A unit is always conditioned to their teams, and this should be taken into account. You directly go against the evidence you got yourself by running him on hard events, he sold multiple times. You put dragon fist in slot one vs the Omega Shenron super and he's countering, doing a shit ton of damage and guaranteed living the turn, while giving you control of the fight.
Honestly alot of these characters and almost the whole game would've been better if FZ has his mechanics switched between fazes. Int FZ is way harder than his PHY stage and its not funny. Int does way more than phy. Int has AOE, double super, high defence, high offense. Phy just has the last two and that makes him such a joke XD. If they switched it up characters would be able to build up early on and be ready for the aoes on the last stage. I'm sorry it's bad game design when the start of the fight is the hardest fight in the game and makes the end of the fight feel free. Everyone only thinks of FZ only because of his first stage no one talks about phy. It's funny and sad because so many characters would be viable. It's why I don't measure units on the event. Most players don't play it more than just for the missions. With omega everyone likes it more because it's a gradual growth that makes sense.
Welcome to Dokkan lol. The entirety of the game is bad game design. Super Battle Road and the God Event had the start of the fight being the most difficult. Are they bad game design? Also the point of "most players don't play it for more than just the missions" literally describes every event the game has ever released
@StarNameKev Superbattle road is a collection of battles that gives you 8 items to use and move around that. The god event is 1 phase that's just super hard. Nothing like fusion Zamasu who has two stages but his first stage is massivley harder than his last phase. Also I hear alot of players do omega still Eben after missions. You never hear anyone complain about Omega because he is a good boss. Zamasu is just cheap and the way he is designed negatively affected how the game went.
@jozillaarevalo1747 back when it first dropped not even items were saving you in SBR, literally the same situation as Fusion Zamasu but worse. As for the God event, items were your best friend there, just like in Fusion Zamasu. A Turn 1 Whis saves most units. People definitely complained about Omega when he first dropped. The dodge canceling made it so the beloved Blue Fusions were much harder to use, the attack raise on super plus the AOE kills many units, not to mention the defense lowering of the final phase. People only like Omega because they hate Fusion Zamasu more
Disagree with O.P being the best, Bulma for me is just Goddess-like Vegito for me would definitely be top as well for me, he's so good, the best Heroes unit with ease, and together with the Eza Vegito, it's just domination
Truth I love you man but you are such a massive hypocrite when you say anyone that disagrees with is pushing an agenda or being followers. You push agendas in this game like no other
Still disagree with Piccolo Jr being #1 Dokkanfest. One factor of being a Dokkanfest, you really have to count in the leaderskill. Giant form, Gifted Warriors and Terrifying Conquerors isn't too great. Being a 2023 Dokkanfest means that the situation of running 2 of them has to be taken into account and the units under their leaderskill specifically. Terrifying Conquerors isn't too hot of a team right now. Gifted Warriors, sure you have Orange Piccolo and PHY Piccolo but they do not exactly link too well with him. Giant form? Nah, I refuse to accept that as a legitimate team when it is so horrible. If you're talking purely performance as a card then yeah Piccolo Jr is great and excels at everything.
God Goku over wtku is objectively wrong. WTKU is actually nearly 100% safe the entire fight, as long as you’re running gt duo ( which be honest you will because that team is one of wtkus best teams ) WTKU literally cannot die if you float him after his first appearance which is the most optimal thing to do. God Goku on the other hand, because he’s a relatively slow stacking character, is dodge or take 500-600k from a super for at least this first and second appearance, not to mention 60% chance to dodge is actually the most fraudulent chance in the game. To keep it short, god Goku is just dying A LOT more often than wtku, and can be an easily liability to his most optimal teams due to him being orb reliant like other characters such as Bulma and INT SSJ trio. He stacks slow so you pretty much have to keep him on main rotation unless you wanna take even MORE chances down the line of god Goku getting you killed, and even his best turns ( 3 supers and good links ) don’t even COMPARE to how fast wtku builds up ( around 800k ish defense if you get 7-8 hits next appearance which btw, is insanely easy to do because of the new fights being crazy aggressive ), and overall is just blatantly worse.
I know it takes a good year of production to get through a proper unit - and by that measure, there are units 1 year away which are being worked on now - but Omatsu has to know by now that Legends is winning the big-dick contest with these releases. Between Super Trunks, Omega, Ribrianne, and LR INT Goku (among numerous other fumbles, like the LR Blue Boys' piss-poor base animations and garbage transformation conditions)... how does he not feel like a fool every time he drags his goofy ass in front of a camera? Is he secretly a highly-paid scapegoat? The game needs WAY more hype in 2024, because pretty soon "Top Grossing" isn't going to be a thing with this game.
Piccolo Jr from my experience at 55% does 1 super turn 1 and dies turn 3 from FZ aoe due to the chip dmg from the super and aoes after 1 whis while MUI at 55% from my experience is the goat and very rarely gets hit.
21 only struggles turn 1 against fused zamasu gamma 1 needs to build up a fuckton (by getting hit) which unless youre orange piccolo or wt goku is a huge L
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When you get dupes of units you’ve already made 100% you could try making a different potential system build for that same character and keep both in your box. That’s a lot of work but it’s not like you plan on quitting dokkan. It would be nice to see a unit with a very offensive build vs a defensive build of the same character
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That's what I've been doing
he's said that he is running out of box space currently, i don't think he'd be able to have multiple builds of characters on top of their SSR's
@@prestoncockrell1567 I mean I remember those days when truth would start a video laughing and start baba shopping LR’s but yeah being the ultimate dokkan whale with the idea of collecting 1 of every unit is pretty box consuming
Ultimate whale strats
Vegito as the best makes sense to me, he is just consistantly dominating the recent fights by himself
Hirudegarn would be 2nd, if LBSSJ4 Vegito was on this list.
That is what he said at the end of the video yes
And his team has low health pool. 640k.
lb vegito team is 600k flat @@Hinshu85
@@SabzBerriesthat’s stu1pid is vegito is nothing to him
I sure hope that the ultimate villain unit is number one here! Turles!
Your are wrong...
CAUSE UT WAS ME, RADITZ!!
We need a Lord Slug to put all these weak maggots in their place
Oh brother THIS GUY STINKS
He is a real one after all.
Turles isn't even top 15 lol.
As someone who loves using 21’s team, I hope we get a harder boss than fusion Zamasu that doesn’t AOE cause she’d unironically be way better, and would honestly make a ton of units have more value
She (& the LR EZA Trio) almost brought LR INT Cell back from the abyss so I think she was a great release 👍
lr int cell was always good on cmz's team @@maazshaikh5996
@@maazshaikh5996I've been rocking LR INT Cell on Fused Zamasu's team(he cooks) when transformed.
Ngl your wishes came true, i been using 21's team on these newer stages and she goes crazy
@@googoongga Yea dude I’ve been running her on full peppy gals on Global cause I got LR ribrianne, very excited for when the Anni events drop on global, we finally out of the AOE trenches
Hirudegarn is so good he was on the thumbnail twice!!!!
4:55 "You go out there and you try Gamma 1 out, he gets blown - his asshole is red and chapped from these bosses blowing it away man" - Truth 2023
5:50 thanks for mentioning this. I personally listen to you a lot because of the many critics you have about units but I don't follow everything you say because I use units in different manners compared to you. I barely even fight red zone if I don't have a mission over there. So, my units are more about how useful are they in other content. AGL buu for example was very useful in the zombie events from fighterz and is crushing wt right now.
The thing is other content is much easier and can be beaten without the newest units
Honestly the top part of this list is so good that I don’t care to debate which one goes where. I just love how the trash at the bottom is being taken out.
Hirudegarn at 1, is factual, he has best potential of any unit in the game.
@@SabzBerries me when my limit breaker ssj4 Vegito doesn’t do a 15m, into a 16m into another 16m super with guaranteed crit with 60% DR then repeats on the next turn including his active that does an additional 12m
@@DannyBlazorme when hirudegan does the same fucking thing with 70% dodge instead but it becomes 100% when he dodges 3 attacks and he’s getting 10% dodge chance per attack he dodges
@@DannyBlazorme when my hirudegarn does a guaranteed dodge triple supers and isn't restricted to any teams
@@elijahaaron6949 sorry that your heroes team is ass
The reason you dont understand the hate on 21 is because of one simple reason; Omega not being out on global. Seriously, thats it. Fusion Zamasu IS like an island all to himself, because even the zamasu fight is clearly a step below it, meaning the only avaliable 'hardest content' is FZ.
Honestly FZ is a bad designed boss but it's the only boss global has so we have to measure off it.
The fact it took 8 months for MaJunior to be kicked out of top 1 shows just how bad TUR releases have been this year overall
Shows how goated he is
@@reign1594 mb bro that is also true let me not disrespect the 8 month long goat of TURs
Can you please do a pre anniversary top 10 over all tier list!
I know this is crazy but i want a yamcha unit who dies and revives as a pissed off Krillin during the fight against the saibamen
The gamma 1 disrespect is honestly baffling. His video yesterday against fusion zamasu Gamma 1 literally tanked an AOE and a Super attack back to back and he didn’t even have a good linking partner. A character who can tank in the hardest fight being so low is nothing but disrespectful.
Yapping for no reason. Who cares
@@DannyBlazor obviously I do lol
actually absurd truth is absolutely out of touch with gamma 1, he is objectively better than a21
He can very easily be argued over 21 or Gohan Piccolo, don’t worry about it.
I think the list is really good, but these three characters are very close to one another.
gamma 1 and a21 isnt close hes better straight up with no arguments if there was a argument i would say its close but there isnt one@@AtlasPunk-05
They did a good job with these units. I feel like they should’ve made hirudegarns leader skill time traveler and transformation boost but asides from that can’t complain.
Good list.
I do say you should also do a version with the EZA TURs though, that would be fun and more representative!
he does a seperate one with just the eza turs and i believe he has int future gohan as 1 and agl zamasu as 2
Android 21 is hot, so she's automatically in the top 2, and she ain't 2
The only reason I'd say SSJ3 Goku is better is because he has a scouter. You can just use his standby, see the super attacks, reset the game, and then choose whether to use the active or not. That's better then anything to me.
Nah hirudegan is moving down with his shit teams
@@joskaizer9521 shit teams such as...sword of hope and lr zamasu leader skill? The teams that can effortlessly no item every single stage in the game?
@@Colors82me when I lie
@Colors82 mixing Big Bad Bosses characters with super class characters is kinda funky, but if he dodges you are good 👍
We need an end of year top 10 units in the game!
Truth this is the first time since trunks i watched a tierlist vid and XD bro you did good on this video.
I’m not gonna lie. I feel like Truth putting piccolo jr so high is partially because of his bias towards extreme characters. He said it himself when evaluating 21 “characters need to be good at the start of the fight” and piccolo jr just isn’t that. Unlike 23wt Goku and Godku, this guy has no defensive mechanics aside from his stats, which means he gets squished turn one and two and if he doesn’t triple super. I don’t think he’s better than godku or 23wt goku
Truth does have him at rainbow Level 10 links so I imagine the damage from AOEs is much lower for his Majunior
Remember when people were actually debating DFE AGL Transforming Kale vs DFE God Goku? Good ol’ 2023 times…
I can see ssj3 dragonfist moving down in the near future tbh 😭
I wish global would have pity on us and just skip trunks, kale, and the androids and just give us the gohan and piccolo and then the new years units lmao
5:51 Well in a Gacha game, especially where not all cards are on the same version, this will be true. Not everyone has every new card, nor the same team to support them if they do have it.
True, but they could still watch more gameplay from various sources to get a better understanding of them.
If haridugarn was a goku i'd agree that he'd be #1 on this list, but his teams hold him back. I'd slide him underneath piccollo jr till he gets a good 170 or 200%. And vegeto i'd put at #4. If 9th anni introduces new powercreep (which it could) vegeto might have to be thrown off the list completely with how the rest of the team can be powercrept easily
We're almost certainly not getting another meta shift for 9th anni. 7th anni was the first meta shift after category leads, which came after 120% leads. We're most likely not getting another meta shift that invalidates your entire box for a long while.
@@PlazDreamweaver hmm
Man I hope they go crazy with Villains next year
They really nees to for sure
11:02 TRUTH defends revive character
ALSO shits on metal cooler everytime lmaoo love to see it
I would guess it's because metal cooler needs to be the one hit to get that revive.
And I can't remember but he doesn't get any boost once he gets his revive (he's still the same).
And lastly he is an extreme character. Revives got buffed when characters such as teq tournament goku could use others revives to get buffed. Don't know if there's any extreme characters that has that same mechanic.
Imo dragon fist is number 1 ofc behind vegito tho. I think you don't realise how insane having two of him is and he fits in so easily in many teams.
Dude we need a top 10 in the game for new years
It’s still crazy to me how on Twitter I was saying vegito will be a number one tur and he actually is the number one and is staying number one after New Years
Why hirudegarn in the thumbnail twice
Check 55% ssj3ku comments
I actually disagree with vegito being the best even though i have him rainbowed LL10 with a full dodge build with some additional. Hes just too restricted to be considered the best because his team holds him back so much. Not so much as a unit like kale but its so much easier to just use a unit like god goku on any team and have him dominate. For me ease of use is more important than potential individual power.
Really? For me his team doesn't hold me back at all. Only thing that gets me killed is the enemy supering someone that isn't Vegito and them not dodging (Fu), but that's an issue all teams in the game have
@@StarNameKev even vegito will take almost 300k from int zamasu if he gets supered before attacking which is often because usually zamasu immediately throws a super and zamasu doesnt even hit all that hard. And on a team with 500-600k hp youre already below half.
@@nrshocks6931 do you mean Fusion Zamasu or regular Zamasu? Because that doesn't sound right
5:36 to 6:01
This is the most ironic and hilarious thing truth can ever say because his community is exactly this they can't think for themselves and if you disagree with them they shit on you so does truth literally all the time
He mentioned this was true for his own community lol
@ningenslayer6306 It shows you how pathetic his community is these idiots can't think for themselves they've gotta have truth do it for them amd it is the most pathetic thing ever
Says the guy that thinks EZA AGL Golden Frieza is trash 💀
bro put hirudegarn on the thumbnail twice
What? SSJ3 goku has 10% more chance to dodge than Godku but can ONLY be in slot 2 or 3, yet that small dodge chance difference is better than Godkus guard, stacking, and can be in any slot? You literally have to run godku slot 1 to protect ssj3 goku as he would get folded hard lol
God goku needs 6 orbs every turn, that's worse than ssj3 needing to be in slot 2 or 3 considering he's just a type orb changer. SSJ3 goku has way more raw defense post SA, he does WAY more damage, and has the ability to remove the boss super in his standby, he's basically TUR orange piccolo. I love godku, but it's time to accept that better units have come out.
I think God Goku should have been 3rd over Piccolo Jr, because SSJ3 Goku and PHY God Goku link well together.
SSJ3 standby is a ghost usher essentially with a counter that does 20 million. I think the better argument would be Majunior and SSJ3, where I’d personally have Majunior higher
@@blazeburn0022 6 orbs isnt hard when theres several rainbow orb changes on his teams as well as he makes his own orbs tol
SSJ3 goku has about 900k after supering, but gets destroyed by AOE normals pre super tho
while godku turn 1 has 552k defense with guard turn 1 so yeah i would easily rather take godku because he has guard, as well as thats just his first turn, on his second turn he can have 760k defense and guard which is then way better than ssj3 goku and godku will just continue growing from there
Way more damage??? He does like 12mil with 50% chance to crit so its like 18mil
Godku does 7mil then guranteed 7mil so thats 14mil, but since he has additionals his HP is much more likely so he can then 50% of the time nearly get another 7mil and be between 14mil and 21mil so its not that big of a difference actually, and actually more in godkus favor as most of the hardest bosses are INT so he already has type advantage
I wont argue about the standby, but SSJ3 goku as a standalone unit is not better than godku at all lol
@@blazeburn0022I really don't think there is much of a difference b/w godku and ssj3 Goku,both have slightly different problems and slight advantages,ssj3 Goku in standby is absolute fodder of a unit(he is MUI)truth saying 2 or 3 attacks could kill him had me dying cause he died to cell in his first ssj3 video to a single normal ,you can literally be cucked just like how ssj4 Goku can(not getting standby)and how godku can too(by his orbs),as time goes by people will realize this,in base he has 70% but he is reliant on stats for defense,if an aoe touches him he is dead,post transformation for both I'd say ssj3 Goku is better cause of that dodge post finisher,I place them equally and do remember this is subjective my godku has been too consistent for me(way above average)and legitimately sold only 4 times since the day he came out
before i even start watching, this year has been one of the worst years of characters. this year has been the only time its felt like the kits they made for these units intentionally have planned obsolescence.
which imo is the best case scenario for f2p players, just skip everything and save for major celebrations
I’d say it’s 50/50
@@mitarc i understand how people would come to that conclusion but ive come to disagree. in the short term, yes its easier to skip shitty/mid characters and save for the more hype celebrations, in that sense yeah its a good thing. BUT, in the long term this is going to have a bad effect on future banners and niche categories, let me give you an example. right now you can easily skip the upcoming super trunks because he himself is not very reliable. right now thats a good thing because you get to hold on to those stones. the problem comes along later though, because lets say they release a character that is a good release (lets say its like ssj vegeta or something) and super trunks is featured. if you summon, youre going to feel like ass if you pulled super trunks instead of the new vegeta because he doesnt really have much value. on its face, bad characters making it easier to skip seems like a good thing in the moment, but in reality its just going to lower the quality on future banners. this metric similarly also applies to categories. most super class teams this isnt really an issue, but in the long tun for extreme class teams this becomes detrimental. look at turles, hes one of the few premium big bad bosses characters we got this year and him being bad has started to show itself a problem because more of the older BBB units have fell victim to power creep and now those teams are lacking. GT bosses is another example, them making super 17 bad in the long run hurt omega. people have to start thinking about this with its future landscape in mind.
@@mathieul4303 wym
@@mitarc i also forgot to mention, major celebrations dont usually buff the categories that need the help the most either. that by itself isnt a bad thing, i think major celebration should have the hype stuff, but that doesnt mean the stuff released between has to be bad because it will ruin the quality and banners of future releases
11:00 you wrote them off too before on your showcases
Hirudegarn over SSJ3 Goku is just objectively wrong. Do a few runs in Merged Zamasu, Omega or any boss with both of these units and tell me with which one you'll win with more. Spoiler: It'll ALWAYS be SSJ3 Goku you will win with more.
Goku has a million amazing teams with great partners and rotations everywhere. Hirudegarn doesn't. Not only that, I'd say SSJ3 Goku is straight up better performance-wise ignoring teams. He has way better utility (support & scouter) and has an easier time to get his guaranteed dodge turn compared to Hirudegarn. Can't get caught as easily as Hirudegarn because most of the time Goku in his standby has either a 90% chance to dodge or guaranteed dodge after doing the Dragon Fist.
This placement just seems wrong. Didn't YOU literally say that you "can't win" with Hirugarn's teams in your videos? And now you place him #1? How does that make any sense whatsoever?
It's because his dodge narrative would fall apart if he gave Goku the spot since despite the standby phase of Goku, Hirudegarn's dodge is more apparent in his transformed state and his entire kit is built around his dodge.
Dafat can't handle being wrong and accepting dodge or die characters suck ass if they don't have other aspects to their kit ala Goku.
Mid ahh ss3 he’s like 5 if we being honest SILENCE
I just know u Hype up shtty buu bros too ☠️
I love it when my SSJ3 Goku dies to normals in his standby before he can even launch his counter, at least Hirudegarn only has to worry about super attacks.
@@Depressosaur Oh yeah? Hirudegarn getting one shotted by PHY Zamasu's NORMAL is actually pretty common. It's actually insane how disingenous you are.
SSJ3 Goku tanks Zamasu easily and doesn't have to worry about supers cause he has the scouter so we know where they are placed at all times, on top of having a 100% chance to counter them and then having 100% dodge for the rest of the turn. He also normally sits at a 90% chance to dodge most of the time which is higher than Hirudegarn's usual, 70%.
Also you can simply activate the standby and then reset the game. That way you know what spot the super is placed in and SSJ3 Goku is still in his base.
@@dokkangod goku in standby is virtually useless before and after the turn he used his finishing skill.
I think Android 21 will aged better in the future
Unless Otmaso Make everything all hardest fight have turn one AOE normal or AOE Super
Ssj4 LB vegito is a fucking monster, no unit even close. His restrictions are Achilles heal but he works so well with lr int ssj4 Goku for the tag out after turn 6. Giant ape power is very good team if you have all the ssj4s
The fact I didn’t get vegito from heroes this year wounds me deeply
Ay as long as my baby boy Vegito is the honorary #1 idc if he’s not put on the list 😂
the gamma 1 disrespect, jesus
Kid goku should be #6. I put that boy in slot 1 against fusion zamasu without being scared at all. He is way too good on any of these saiyan teams, he can tank and he gives support.
While I love Android 21 she isn’t even the best unit on her team, and Gohan and piccolo are ass without reviving. Gamma 1 is a good unit too but he just doesn’t fit on most viable movie heroes setups.
Good Morning Truth
We need a transformation boost 200% leader skill
Kale give 200% to them
@@dachop-b5r 💀
I wish I could run some of these units 😵💫
Global shenanigans am I right 🤦♂️
Truth says people underrate 21, but puts Gohan/Piccolo above her after bashing them since release? That makes no sense
Will you be going to the LA dragon ball games convention soon?
I like how the thumbnail has Hirudegarn at 1 and 3
It's a meme because I think in his showcase vid for SSJ3KU he used hirudigan as the thumbnail
Bro just add limit breaker ssj4 vegito to the list i mean you havent done the general turs list yet so you might as well have one consise vid
21 should be above Gohan and Piccolo, good list aside from that.
Finally you switched 21 and Gopiccolo ranks
Hirudegarn is #3 and #1?
How is vegito not considered a dokkanfest if he has a dokkan event?
Because Dokkan themselves did not give him the "Dokkan Fest" label and Because you can't get him with red coins.
That would be like calling AGL Tapion and Masked Saiyan Dokkan Fests
Hi truth, can you do a 55% tier list?
i personally like piccolo over dragon fist goku
Respectfully the bug man
I see why you put the new years above but I disagree they are kind of modern dodge or die units. Majunior has a lot of teams he can be used on and can perform even better and tank supers without big bad bosses which goku can’t even do at all even post super. Also his standby imo is a lot worse than majuniors giant form because cancelling the aoe and the super is a lot more the entire team. Not to mention you can still very much due in Gokus standby because he’s not tanking normals and is just a modern ui until you use dragon fist. Hirrudegarn is a lot closer to piccolo imo but having literally no teams rn really hurts him
Hey dudes, is there not gonna be a stepup banner this year? I was looking forward to it.
There will be, it just comes out later on in the day
Do an ost tierlist truth
i would have SSJ3 goku at #3 and MJ at #2, MJ not only is the best unit in WT, but he can also cancel all AOE and SA with his giant form
MJ needs to build up could get you killed early on. Also WT isn't really something to count for a unit if it was str lr broly and super broly are better than the whole list. He's only dodge or die pre super after super he tanks as well as MJ.
Day 3 of asking truth to do a earthlings vs omega shenron
u should just include lb vegito because what other list would he ever be apart of outside of yearly heroes
Top TURs in general I suppose
Hirudegarn my beloved
Can you do dragon fist and harudigon vs Broly red zone
Bro wants to see DaRageDR 💀
Hirudegarn cannot be number 1 currently, he has no teams. A unit is always conditioned to their teams, and this should be taken into account. You directly go against the evidence you got yourself by running him on hard events, he sold multiple times. You put dragon fist in slot one vs the Omega Shenron super and he's countering, doing a shit ton of damage and guaranteed living the turn, while giving you control of the fight.
Raditz no. 1 for me
Day 50 asking for Phy Xeno Trunks 200% showcase (yes I've been keeping count)
please i am begging for an actual explanation on how a21 is better than gamma 1 because its is objectively wrong
Yamcha and ptp goku being here is major cap
Honestly alot of these characters and almost the whole game would've been better if FZ has his mechanics switched between fazes. Int FZ is way harder than his PHY stage and its not funny. Int does way more than phy. Int has AOE, double super, high defence, high offense. Phy just has the last two and that makes him such a joke XD. If they switched it up characters would be able to build up early on and be ready for the aoes on the last stage. I'm sorry it's bad game design when the start of the fight is the hardest fight in the game and makes the end of the fight feel free. Everyone only thinks of FZ only because of his first stage no one talks about phy. It's funny and sad because so many characters would be viable. It's why I don't measure units on the event. Most players don't play it more than just for the missions. With omega everyone likes it more because it's a gradual growth that makes sense.
Welcome to Dokkan lol. The entirety of the game is bad game design. Super Battle Road and the God Event had the start of the fight being the most difficult. Are they bad game design?
Also the point of "most players don't play it for more than just the missions" literally describes every event the game has ever released
@StarNameKev Superbattle road is a collection of battles that gives you 8 items to use and move around that. The god event is 1 phase that's just super hard. Nothing like fusion Zamasu who has two stages but his first stage is massivley harder than his last phase. Also I hear alot of players do omega still Eben after missions. You never hear anyone complain about Omega because he is a good boss. Zamasu is just cheap and the way he is designed negatively affected how the game went.
@jozillaarevalo1747 back when it first dropped not even items were saving you in SBR, literally the same situation as Fusion Zamasu but worse.
As for the God event, items were your best friend there, just like in Fusion Zamasu. A Turn 1 Whis saves most units.
People definitely complained about Omega when he first dropped. The dodge canceling made it so the beloved Blue Fusions were much harder to use, the attack raise on super plus the AOE kills many units, not to mention the defense lowering of the final phase.
People only like Omega because they hate Fusion Zamasu more
why not use hirudegan with time travelrs?
On Trunks' team? Mixing Big Bad Bosses with Super Class characters is a little funky tbh
I will ask again when we will get dragon fist in global????
In April i guess, normally we get new years before the dual dokkan fest of May
@@amonieto9214 thank you
Maybe not first
Probably.
Not..
Disagree with O.P being the best, Bulma for me is just Goddess-like
Vegito for me would definitely be top as well for me, he's so good, the best Heroes unit with ease, and together with the Eza Vegito, it's just domination
We need a top turs
Hi Truth.
Truth I love you man but you are such a massive hypocrite when you say anyone that disagrees with is pushing an agenda or being followers. You push agendas in this game like no other
Still disagree with Piccolo Jr being #1 Dokkanfest.
One factor of being a Dokkanfest, you really have to count in the leaderskill.
Giant form, Gifted Warriors and Terrifying Conquerors isn't too great.
Being a 2023 Dokkanfest means that the situation of running 2 of them has to be taken into account and the units under their leaderskill specifically.
Terrifying Conquerors isn't too hot of a team right now.
Gifted Warriors, sure you have Orange Piccolo and PHY Piccolo but they do not exactly link too well with him.
Giant form? Nah, I refuse to accept that as a legitimate team when it is so horrible.
If you're talking purely performance as a card then yeah Piccolo Jr is great and excels at everything.
Lr bulma would like to have a word with you 🫣
God Goku over wtku is objectively wrong. WTKU is actually nearly 100% safe the entire fight, as long as you’re running gt duo ( which be honest you will because that team is one of wtkus best teams ) WTKU literally cannot die if you float him after his first appearance which is the most optimal thing to do. God Goku on the other hand, because he’s a relatively slow stacking character, is dodge or take 500-600k from a super for at least this first and second appearance, not to mention 60% chance to dodge is actually the most fraudulent chance in the game. To keep it short, god Goku is just dying A LOT more often than wtku, and can be an easily liability to his most optimal teams due to him being orb reliant like other characters such as Bulma and INT SSJ trio. He stacks slow so you pretty much have to keep him on main rotation unless you wanna take even MORE chances down the line of god Goku getting you killed, and even his best turns ( 3 supers and good links ) don’t even COMPARE to how fast wtku builds up ( around 800k ish defense if you get 7-8 hits next appearance which btw, is insanely easy to do because of the new fights being crazy aggressive ), and overall is just blatantly worse.
What if the GT Duo start in Slot 1?
I think the list is good but I am not sure if ssj3 goku deservese 2nd I mean he is good but I don't think he is better than god goku.
Agl Limit breaker vegito? Where would he rank Truth
He said #1 all the time listen
I know it takes a good year of production to get through a proper unit - and by that measure, there are units 1 year away which are being worked on now - but Omatsu has to know by now that Legends is winning the big-dick contest with these releases. Between Super Trunks, Omega, Ribrianne, and LR INT Goku (among numerous other fumbles, like the LR Blue Boys' piss-poor base animations and garbage transformation conditions)... how does he not feel like a fool every time he drags his goofy ass in front of a camera? Is he secretly a highly-paid scapegoat? The game needs WAY more hype in 2024, because pretty soon "Top Grossing" isn't going to be a thing with this game.
No realm where Piccolo is above Godku.
Piccolo Jr from my experience at 55% does 1 super turn 1 and dies turn 3 from FZ aoe due to the chip dmg from the super and aoes after 1 whis while MUI at 55% from my experience is the goat and very rarely gets hit.
Id probably but piccolo jr at 2, wt goku at 3 and ssj3 goku at 4
Ssj3 at 1 hirudegan cannot carry his shitty team for anything
What is a “t”ur?
Transcendent ur
Of course new units on top. Even though jr performs better w good partners lmao
Such as?
The overvaluing of Fraud fist Goku needs to be studied 💀
Picollo jr still better that godku and 23 tour goku? Look zamasu fight
gamma takes 100k-150k on first hit normal at worst wtf are u on about with how he takes alot of damage at while building up
Hot take
God goku>>Ssj3 goku and Majunior
GAMMA 1 SHOULD BE HIGHER
If vegito is #1, then what about ssj3 rose
I'd say under the top 5 I'd put him at 6 over piccolo and Gohan. I got him i think hes amazing but not as good as the top 5 (6 including vegito)
I can’t see 21 being above gamma 1.
Gamma 1 has the better teams, doesn’t get creampied by aoe normals and also supports.
21 isn’t anything special
yeah gamma 1 is objectively better than gamma 1 no competition
21 only struggles turn 1 against fused zamasu
gamma 1 needs to build up a fuckton (by getting hit) which unless youre orange piccolo or wt goku is a huge L
@@guyfauks2576 he takes less dmg on his first hit than 21 does in any event period lol
@@ebby3215 cap
also 21s kit is more useful, gamma1s is simply build up to tank normals
@guyfauks2576 yeah u don't use him/use him properly lol 21 takes 450k from an aoe gamma 1 takes 150k from a aoe first hit lol
Nah i think godku and ssj3 goku are equal,they should be third,MJ second and hirudegarn as no.1
Add vegito to the list
Wait where’s lbr ssj4 vegito
He’s not a Dokkan fest, but he is one at 20:20