RAILROAD CALLS POLICE FOR ME FILMING! | Jason Asselin
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- After ELS 402 (formerly Conrail 7772) derailed on the main line they came out this morning to put it back on the rail. I have been filming trains in this location for over 5 years and have never had anyone treat me like this Escanaba & Lake Superior Railroad worker did! He immediately starts by swearing at me, says they own the road I was standing next too.
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cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/91381.aspx The railroad owns the property rights to the land about the tracks, scruffy. That's what the easement is for. Use the internet. It can prevent you from looking like a fool.
Mr. Asselin ... Unfortunately you were trespassing (or at least in other vids you were) because you are within the railway corridor. Highways, powerlines, etc have the same thing. It's a corridor that they control; be careful with where you are on the corridor.
I wouldn't think a public road would be built on a rail road easement. The rail road fuck wads don't know what they are talking about. I clearly saw the stop sign to your right.
@@stophate2023 Looking at the viideo you were close enough to to the rail to be classed as trespassing, the follow up to this this plainly shows him clearly ignoring the ignoring the yield/stop flashing signal and stepping past it I don't give a flying fuck if there a local road easement adjacent to the track whilst that signal flashes Jason is in violation of trespass past that rail way yield/stop sign..
Argue this in a court of law and you will loose federal will supersede state law in this case..
I think Jason needs to shut up listen, rail regardless operations co who runs it will likely run on a federal mandate with state troopers involved rather than local PD..
@@Gladiamdammit An easement is not ownership; it's an authorization to use for passing through.
I remember my cousin and I got told to leave railroad property once, but the property actually belonged to my uncle. We were told that the police were coming out to arrest us both.
When the officer arrived, he informed the conductor that we were not on railroad property and for him to stay off private property.
That's when the conductor and the officer got into an argument.
The officer Won the argument and the conductor got a ticket for criminal trespass.
I love this man. He knows his rights.
Dude just didn't want you filming all of his work violations lmao.
Lol this
There's nothing wrong with rail crews having a concern about this. A simple slip up can cost him time off, even if its unintentional. This guy however had no need to be nasty about it.
OR THEY WERE EMBARRASSED ! 😵
Yeah you’re correct the guy didn’t want the person filming because he fucked up and he knows it knows the videos going to be up on TH-cam and his boss is going to see it and he might get fired for it
I think the real reason why the guy got mad was because they screwed up because the derailment which cost lots of money to fix and who has to pay for that the company and the guy that was complaining about the filming was trying to get it back on the rail track before he would have to call in a crew get it put back on the rail then his boss wouldn’t know
Thank you Sir for standing your ground and for the good example concerning the law enforcement officer that contacted you. 🇺🇸👍👮♂️
Most railroad crews are nice people and don't mind you watching or videoing work or trains.
Because most are not clueless retards that have never heard of a telephoto lens before.....how do they know they aren't being filmed from behind every window in every building within sight?
@@r.scottmacleod4564 No one understands what you're saying, or who you're talking about. Explain it more.
I Agree
Ray Perrone I’ve seen quite a few total asshats to be honest. These guys definitely don’t not like being filmed, I’ve heard the way the talk about foamers on the cb
@@cdavid8139 My favorites are the ones where the police think actual terrorists would need to film them from across the street!....roflmao
You went from train watcher to 1st amendment auditor.
I worked for CSX at one time in my life and I would have been fired that afternoon for engaging with the public in that manner.
That dude probably would have been too if this gentleman had his name and reported it. I thought the same thing when I saw it.
Same on the UPRR (i work for them), we just ignore them unless they are actually on the property (example the physical train tracks or inside the yard where they're not allowed).
Those locomotives look like old Conrail equipment.
@@1VaDude they are
ANOTHER EXCELLENT POINT!!
Should have told him to move the train because he's blocking your road 😆 lol
*I*
*hate*
*trump*
Lol that’s a good one.
Also, make sure you generate a police complaint. You might consider calling the railroad and generate a complaint against the employee who acted in such an unprofessional matter. Paper trail brotha! Love your videos!
My dad used to work for the railroad. That guy had issues. There was no need for him to start cursing at you. Most of the people on these crews are nice.
I'm with you man; nothing could have kept me from watching them put that train back on the rails.
“Look at the hard work they’re doing, pulling the train back” lol
Very informative. Nice to see how a locomotive can be put back on the tracks.
Even more impressive, how easy it is to derail a locomotive when operated by people getting paid as if they knew what they were doing.
@@NaYawkr literally couldn't have less to do with it. You know what snow and ice does to the railroad? It's a grind. Hard on equipment and you still gotta move the trains.
So he puts a set of trucks on the ground. Thing stayed upright. No big deal.
I learned virtually nothing about rerailing here. All i saw was smeone operating a lever and the caption said something about a winch. Other than that everything they did was concealed by snow. Speaking of which, how can a little snow derail a locomotive in the first place? Ive seen many other videos of locos going through much bigger stuff like it wasnt even there. Maybe some other issue came about? I dunno.
@@joewoodchuck3824 ain't just snow. It's ice in the crossings and hard packed snow from the snow plow.
People are just cry babies and don’t care about you .
Thankfully one thing I never had to deal with back when I worked for a railroad while living in Ohio. There were plenty of people who filmed us trackside from the road time to time and even sometimes on side streets near the ballast. As long as they didn't flat out walk out anywhere along the right away or try to hop the equipment, we pretty much just gave them the usual horn and wave.
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Those bastards , i believe you had every rite to film it bro 👍👍
Granted the person doing the filming was within their rights to do so, but always remember if you are filming , always remain courteous but unbowed. It makes the other person look like an asshole. You don't want it to be one ahole confronting another ahole.
Was afraid OSHA might see the video.
FUCKING PC PUSSIES!
Greetings from Flint..give em hell....
I was filming the aftermath of derailment of maybe 20 or so cars. When railroad dues said I couldnt film , I told them I was on private property... they backed down .....
Why didn't you just stop filming instead of breaking railroad rules
@@aydendean Railroad Rules are not Law you little pissant
@@sarahann530 Yeah tell him
I've had the same run in with CSX police claiming a public, county maintained, road was their property, stating some unknown law about the railroad owning 15, 20, or 25 feet (or some number, I've heard a few) beyond their railbed along the entire line.
BaltimoreAndOhioRR The railroad does own a certain footage of land past the ballast. It’s called right of way and varies everywhere from 15 to 50 feet to each side from the center of the track depending on the location.
@@boylesterminalshops6841 - The variance is a lot greater than that nationwide. And most often poorly marked or not marked.
They just make it up as they go along.
They're called "easements" and they do vary. Just tell them your on the border--they have no idea how wide the easement is at any given point without a map.
The point is you’re supposed to be a “safe” distance away. In this case, you were too close. The road should have been closed while rerailing too. Worst case the locomotive ends up on its side and if that happened, you would have had to take evasive action.
The right to film on public streets cannot be infringed on. By all means keep on filming and documenting. Obviously the crew most likely were violating safety rules. Keep on documenting.
well, there are guidelines for the strength of telephoto lenses (you can't be on public sidewalk and film inside a neighbor's house -- not to mention that's pretty weird...) but I think with most mobile phones (and certainly in this case, walking on the public street) you surely have the right to film whatever you can see.
if it is viewable, you can film it.
this has gone up to the supreme court i believe.
you can NOT look into windows. or get into someones face, but if they ask in a nice way it is possible to kinda keep them out of the foreground. with a "walk on" to the back ground.
but that worker, needs to be reprimanded, and go into training, to control his temper. before he hurts someone... Not just a rail-fan. (co worker, family, just anyone on the street?).
Jason - If you haven't already thought of this and started the process, most municipalities maintain publicly accessible maps detailing where utility rights of way are, and where the boundaries there-of lie! That should definitively tell you how closely you can approach a railroad track! It might be quite helpful if this "discussion" with your nearest railway leads to a court battle. It would absolutely tell you if the road in front of your house belongs to the county or to the railroad.
He was having a bad day and embarrassed, so he had to puff his chest because his ego was threatened by someone filming his bad luck.
ELS 402 built as PC 7772. That idiot probably didn't want you filming cause if he violates any safety rules he could get fired.
Did you see any violations?
@@jasonasselin Not right off hand. It seems he was to worried about you filming then rerailing the loco
He’s could do this job in his sleep.. it is interesting to read about people that have no knowledge of the job..so who’s the idiots now? At least he has a job and is out there doing it .. It was a security issue when Jason stumbles out from a snowbank.. he admits himself .. “they don’t own the snow” 😂
@@jasonasselin I did. I saw no radio contact calling for 3 step protection before they went under the engine.
He hot fired i was told
Wow. All your doing is documenting the process of rerailing and they don’t want you too. I’m glad the railroad near me has a friendly crew.
I'm not allowed to drive the train, the whistle I cannot blow. I'm not allowed to let off steam or even ring the bell. But let the damn thing jump the track and see who catches hell.
-- Excellent!
Heard,saw that before!! Lol how true
so true
Row row row your boat gently down the stream throw karen OVER board and listen to her SCREAM!
*horn*
You were right! Iam a railhead and never had any troubles. I have railfanned in a lot of states too. It must have been his time of the month?!LOL. Take care Sir.
You may be surprised what the railroad owns. My dad bought some former railroad property ( ex T&OC, ex NYC, ex PC) and after surveys were finished he would have owned part of a street, several front yards and a parcel of a neighbors former small horse pasture. The railroad was constructed in the late 1800's. So overtime encroachment happened and no one was the wiser. My dad could have made a lot of misery for a lot of people. Instead he just asked for everyone to help with the expense of getting everything changed legally and documented properly.
Not impressed with the behavior of those railroad men.
Cowards
YEP COWARDS...….ST"UP"ID.
He should be fired, it was a public road.
I work for CP rail, there going to need a Crain to re-rail the engine they got luck with that one, and it is possible that the rail road could own the property next to the rail. And that engine should have been inspected by a mechanic before they carried on, big violations, you should send that video to the Department of Transportation.
I don't know how much revenue that rr makes but I'm sure they try to spend the least amount of $ possible to avoid going bankrupt just look at those tracks.
Don Ethier Sounds like you know just enough to be dangerous. There was no BIG violation on this. You work for a railroad, you should act like a railroader.
that’s why they didn’t want him to record
@@kurdtcocaine0 good point
@@kurdtcocaine0 they know they are doing wrong things that's why they are so pissed off
I'm a railroader and i honestly wouldn't care. Just let me know before you do, because i may have a co-worker who don't. Sometimes we do switching jobs with three person crews and one might be in a bad mood or just a jerk period. As i stated, i really don't care about someone Railfanning, just have fun and stay safe.
We don't care that you are a railroader.
@Jack Luck thanks and whoever that jack-ass of a troll is i don't care...people like him live to rile people up, he probably hates himself so he try and troll other people. So latro, or whatever you call yourself, in the words of chef ramsay: " *uck off you donkey!!!
@@genehudson1462 exactly. When people feed trolls, they grow big and strong and then they breed more of them. Kind of like what we see everywhere online nowadays. No matter how one reacts, a reaction is what they seek so in doing so, they win.
@Roger Anderson Depends on what you have at hand or can afford. Some railroads will just call in someone like RJ Corman to do the job with side boom Cat Dozers, Others might use a crane. Hard pressed RRs where it has just dropped between the rails can use wood, tie plates and rerailing frogs. I've put cars back on the track with just tie plates.
@@latrogeniwile58 Then why are you here?? get tf off.
I generally use manners & try to be polite with people. But sometimes I wonder why I bother. Dude, I like your style.
The overwhelming sensation that someone is watching you after you’ve been working in the cold all night with zero sleep. And here comes this guy (dude that made the video) with a camera to throw gasoline on the fire.
HA HA HA - Train was there 36 hours and he wasn't even working when it happened. Poor guy missed his breakfast I think.
TYM3 KiLL3R
Sounds pretty paranoid, that guy should get some psychiatric help.
Gone are the days of friendly rail fanning. There was a small railroad yard by my childhood home where the Missouri Pacific ran through. They would pull in to the yard and shuffle cars around and I would watch for hours as I loved the trains. One day the crew asked me to come onboard and I did.
I spent so many days sitting in the engine as they shuffled around the yard and became good friends with the crew. These days with cameras and everyone wanting a check for nothing railroads have become stand offish and dont want you even in eye sight of their lines any more.
I miss the Missouri Pacific and I miss the way the crews would stop and while on layovers would invite kids to come on the cabooses and the engines to show them around. (Off record of course lol) and I will never forget when he told me that as the train passed I had to wait in the caboose until he said it was safe to exit the caboose. So many fond memories that kids today may never know like we did.
Nice memories, i work for UPRR in Chicago on the old MoPac lines which is now called the Villa Grove Subdivision, i also work on the Geneva subdivision which was CNW until 1995. I actually stay a block away from the mainline i run on. So sometimes i might see the trains I'll have or the ones i was relieved from. CSX share trackage with us up to Salem,il and then they branch off east to Indiana. The railfans love the UPRR MoPac 1982 locomotive. I know UPRR fallen flag units always are numbered the year UPRR acquired them.
Jason, I am a train buff also. Let's not lower ourselves to that dudes level. My father, grandfather, & great grandfather were railroad engineers.
Perhaps my only suggestion would be to stay polite and stand your ground, if we can keep our heads, and have a "peaceful" filming experience.
I'm guessing they were breaking a lot of O.S.H.A. rules and didn't want it documented 🤔
Not just O.S.H.A. but Federal laws too !!
@@Kronkus36Outdoors how. What federal laws bud?
Different game when you're re railing.
Like working under a running locomotive with no lock out !!!!! { The good lord will cull the stupid }
@@Bobbycat115
Exactly, they all could lose their jobs over that stupid move but the union will likely save them. I personally know a couple people who were cut in half working for Conrail, what they were doing was beyond stupid.
@@Bobbycat115 you ever heard of 3 step protection or in between or red zone?
Members of the crew can do whatever the fuck they want or need IF they get confirmation from the engineer that the reverser is centered and the independant brakes are fully applied. Its 100 percent legit to get under if you need to and really the only time it would be necessary is when you're rerailing. Try the fuck again bud.
FWIW, a quick Google search turned up that in Michigan, the normal easement for a railway is 25' from the center line of the track. According to Google maps, if you're standing on Henford Ave (I think that's where you said you are) as close to the tracks as possible while still on the road, you are at least 26' from the center of the track. Stay on Henford and if you have any more run-ins with railroad crews, tell them that you are 26' from the center line of their tracks leaving you 1' from their easement. If you want to confirm this, find your exact location on Google Maps, right click the centerline of the track, then click your location.
I use to unload rail cars and one day my boss had me go to our yard to get the car numbers for him and I was told I was trespassing and i told them I worked there
Had a similar incident in Fostoria, Ohio back in 2008. Was at the crossing at the east end of the NS yard standing on the pavement and taking a few reference pics while listening in on the scanner. Some lady sitting in a lawn chair on the porch of the yard office asked if I was listening to their radio channels. When I told her I was (it's legal in Ohio), she said that I couldn't do that. When I took a couple pics, she asked if I was taking pictures of their trains. I told her I was, and she said that I couldn't do that because she could report me for being a terrorist. I reported the incident to NS since I was on public property. I also reported it to the group that was putting together the railpark there in Fostoria. I also posted about the incident on Trainorders.com and Trains.com. NS then retaliated when their PR guy Rudy Husband said that I was in the wrong because the lady was concerned about my safety because I supposedly stood between the crossing gates and the tracks when a train was going through, even posting on Trainorders.com (which wasn't very professional). Everybody started turning on me, saying that I never said that I'd been on the wrong side of the gates. The thing is, there was no train when I was at that crossing. NS made up the whole thing to make me out to be the bad guy. My sister-in-law's brother is a conductor for NS, and he goes through Fostoria and knew the lady, saying that she basically acted like a big shot in the office and that nobody liked her.
I never thought there would be any more Conrail painted units. Sad to see crews being disrespectful to railfans who just wanna spread positivity to the railroads
Ex-Conrail.
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Blow it out your ass dude.
Best thing to ever happen to CR was NS buying it, now if they can get rid of the old CR guys and get a new breed in there
@@diverrite NS did not buy CR. NS and CSX did. Basically, NS got PRR lines while CSX got NYC lines. Both railroads own the Conrail Shared Assets Operations section of the old Conrail together.
I caught, stopped and prevented over a half a dozen train derailments in my short time at the railroad. Was even mentioned in a company wide memo.
Love the way you handled yourself. Stood your ground and stay composed.
Jason Asselin- I can't believe this guy was under the locomotive with it running. My grandfather worked for the Reading Railroad in Reading, Pa. We were taught respect around trains. Back then, they were steam trains. I have always been a train lover.
I had to forward past the part when he was under the locomotive. It was making me sick to my stomach.
Nothing wrong with being under a running locomotive, but I will say that that fellow has bigger you-know-what`s than I do. Of course, after you work around certain equipment for long enough, and work with certain guys under those types of circumstances, you get more comfortable with it. The engineman would have applied 3-step protection while anyone was below. The brakes would be firmly applied, reverser in neutral, field generator switch opened so that the elec motors won`t be activated. Up in Canada, the same principal is called `set and centered` and this would be reported over the radio by the engineman to the crew who are stepping in between cars to couple hoses or address any situations where they will be out-of-sight of the engineman and in the path of danger. But, yes, for those of us who don`t work around locos every day, the idea of a person going underneath (while it`s running) can certainly be daunting. Would it be a safe bet that you got to `Take a ride on The Reading` at some point? My Grandfather was an engineman for CN, but he passed away when I was 3 (1971), so I don`t have too much in the memory banks about him, beyond stories and facts that were recalled over the years. I often wonder what he would think about the locos that the guys have to operate today compared to the first (and barely second) generation diesel-electric machines he worked with after steam was phased out.
@@stanpatterson5033 I wish I could have taken a ride on the Reading Railroad back then. My grandfather died in 1968 when he was in his upper eighties. He ended his career as a switcher and a crossing gate man. As you know, not all crossing gates were electrified. I was born in 1952. I love that the Reading and Northern restored some of those steam engines and passenger cars. They take them out on special excursions.
Ok, as a conductor for a large RR, railfans don't bother me one bit. You all are generally respectful and tend to know the right of way laws, but even when some of them trespass slightly, we dont usually call the police. So, no, you're not entirely correct when you say you'd be arrested every single time. The other thing is you have no accurate way of telling if you're on RR property as our rights of way extend out to varying distances and aren't always clearly marked. That being said, both you and the rail crew could've handled this whole thing more respectfully. Whenever im doing work near a railfan i just smile and wave. However, even some crews i work with get so inexplicably annoyed and let photographers ruin their entire day. Ill never understand that except to say most of us are on-call 24 hours a day, have families that don't let them sleep before the phone rings to go to work. They come in grouchy, work angry, then go home furiously pissed off over the smallest things. It's not entirely their fault. So, what i would like to say to you is this: if you have another bad encounter with a nasty rail crew, just suck up some pride and move back. Even throw in a quick apology. You may be completely in the right, but engaging his obvious anger with your own prideful challenges about who owns what just inflames his sphincter and makes his extraordinarily dangerous job that much more dangerous. Just friendly advice from a conductor who knows the life and doesn't mind railfans.
Bingo. Thanks.
He may have been upset because he got snow in his butt crack! Maybe his boss needs to see how he acts when he should be doing his job! I love watching trains, track repair teams and the occasional rerailment of cars even down here in Georgia in middle of the summer the crews are cool with us watching. Just don't get to close for your safety and theirs.
Thanks for your eminently common sense, level headed response. It's good to know that most train crew are fellows like yourself who know railfans are also a mostly good bunch.
Well said Sir!
I try to understand both sides of a conflict before lighting my torches lol
I am impressed with their superhuman strength that able to guide the train on the track.. Amazing..
if i hadn't seen it with my own 4 eye's,, 2 guy's pushed a locomotive back on the rails
I don't know what's more impressive: them re-railing a locomotive with a piece of chain or you telling that guy to fuck right off. 😂
Request the reports on it from the Troopers. Filing a false report is a crime, a warning with no investigation sounds like easy way out. Looking forward to a followup if Trooper contacts you after viewing this.
@@jeanninegrailer5993 If a report was made claiming he was on the railroad property and he was not, that is a false report. That apparently is what happened unless you have "facts" not in evidence here.
If you know that for a fact, you probably called them. But then you are probably one of those idiots who thinks they know it all.
Ben C. Enlots I was standing next to the guy when HE RECEIVED the phone call that Jason was reported .. he was just as surprised as Jason was .. further more in the video he comes from what direction.. he’s ruined it for many.. after all Jason’s F-Bombs and disrespect.. that showed more control than most.. don’t judge unless your in it.. if you notice second confrontation was over who owned the roads .. Jason’s smart retaliation is you don’t own the snow banks 😂..really
@@jeanninegrailer5993 Doesn't change the fact that someone made that call. NOBODY in this thread accused any specific person. Great attention to detail.....
@@jeanninegrailer5993 "No false report was made" was your opening comment. That would be a definite alteration of fact especially when you contradict it yourself with your very next one!
Fantastic video dear Friend love it. God bless you. Happy Day
Thanks! I love your channel, been a fan awhile!
Very cool video to show how things are done! Dude under the engine, very stupid! Great for standing your ground. I've been watching and photographing trains for years, never had anything more than a polite wave.
I bet OSHA would have something to say about getting under a running locomotive...
this 100% that guy probably got fired. theres no world that you can just crawl under a fucking live locomotive. if that guy got ran over his stupid family would have sued the railroad so he just didnt wanna have to answer for being an idiot and would rather have this dude arrested
@@penguiin12 well with that logic then why arent tow truck drivers fired for getting under the cars?
There’s to sides to every story the guy was being a prick but maybe he didn’t want to get in trouble for some safety violation sometimes you have to get the job done and the safety BS has to be disregarded to get the job done that said speaking to you like that was not cool I would normally asked if I could film them and that it was going on TH-cam and if they didn’t want to be recorded I would have not recorded them but if I encountered that asshole I would have recorded him just like you did act like an asshole and you just lost all my respect people like this asshole eventually meet the wrong person and get there head blown off it’s only a matter of time
@Matthew Wilson A wrecker operator should have training and a in-depth knowledge about towing vehicles, the safety, and how to operate their wrecker safely. If they happen to get crushed or maimed on the job, that's entirely on them, as well the company they work for. Because even if it's owner-operated, the wrecker operator must be trained, capable, and competent to run the wrecker. They must have knowledge of wire rope, grades of chain, the chain attachments, using snatch blocks, parts of line, stabilizing the wrecker, operating the rotator, stabilizing the disabled vehicle, using cribbage, all sorts of things.
It's neither the engineer or conductor's place to re-rail any of the locomotives they are in charge of. Because they're not trained in that, nor are the track workers.
Thanks for the video and for standing your ground.
i respect the hell out of you for this video. i wish i ever stood up for myself like that with trains.
SO FUCKING KOOL JASON IM GLAD YOU STOOD YOUR GROUND AND KNOWED YOUR RIGHTS THE RAILROAD EMPLOYEES PULL STUFF LIKE THIS A LOT THINKING THEY CAN ORDER YOU AROUND ! GOOD JOB FRIEND !!!!!!!!
we here in Canada have had our share of run-ins with the railroad, we have never trespassed yet have been asked to STOP filming... despite that we know our rights and limits and support the publics right to film industrial accidents within the Law of course Thank you.
He was just mad he had too do some physical labor and earn his pay check for once!
Missed the Nascar race too? lol
Or that it might be seen by his supervisor, lol.
But he has a job.....and you don't
For an idiot that has never heard of a telephoto lens I'm surprised he can find his way from home to work without help.
@@RLTtizME . . at least till the person signing his paychech gets to see how he derailed that engine. Somehow I don't think they should be paying anyone to do that.
Snow was so deep, it built up under the unit and lifted the unit up and off the rail. Saw a lot of that during the winter of 78-79.
Yup, the blizzard of "78". Remember it well.
I was a young child but still remember playing in the snow
Very funny I would have laughed my ass off at him!
EL & S doesn't own the land in Kingsford, the State of Michigan owns and maintains 117.3 miles of this rail system which is leased to
the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad.
Those old ass locomotives are former Conrail. Conrail sold out in 1999.
Still awaiting paint. lol
Could be ex Penn Central, Erie-Lackawanna, New Haven, Reading, or any of the other Conrail constituent roads....the dash 2 Geeps were first built in 1972!
But they are still BEASTS!!!...and i love the old Conrail blue
Brent Boswell how could they be any of those locos. The color and the white statutes and circle just shows that’s a Conrail.
Fast CSX How dense are you? Conrail was made up of many roads and fallen flags, so these units very well could predate Conrail. If you want to get technical, both you and Brent are wrong. Would be ex-Conrail, ex _____, neé ______.
Your a true Yooper - proud of you from Birmingham, Alabama!
Go drink a Miller High Life in honor of him! BWAHAHAHA!
Just watched this one again (saw it last year), and it just blows my mind but unfortunately it happens. There are always railroaders that have issues with photographers, but as long as you are on a public road, and well behind the crossing flashers or whatever, you are not trespassing. Probably no need to get into a big argument with them but I know how things heat up fast, I've been there with a few losers myself over the 30+ years of taking train pictures. And have also been called in for being on public property. As such I go out of my way to stay off the railroads property and one thing to keep in mind, IF you were actually trespassing, and IF they could actually prove a case, then they would have actually charged you with it. Just reporting you and "stirring" things up, is just one really unhappy employee that needs to get his life in order.
Well, I wouldn’t go as far to saw as long as your behind the flashers. Rail Companies can own property well beyond the tracks. You really have to know where the boundaries are.
For the most part, as long as you’re standing at a safe distance on a public sidewalk or road, you should be safe. I tend to look for public utilities and stand next to them. That’s a telling sign of the boundaries.
As an employee of a railroad and a regular member of the train crews, I can understand where someone might not want you around, but he probably just didn't want TH-cam seeing him slipping around in the snow
I have been photographing trains for 60 years and since the incident in NYC its been very difficult without being hassled by the cops. Bottom line - You can take all photos or video you want IF You are on public property . IF You are RR property then You are wrong . I went through several times on public property and ask the cops what law am I breaking . I told then plus I want Your badge numbers so I can provide this info to my lawyer. At that point they just left. Their is a yahoo group called RAILFAN LEGAL its worth looking up.
You can legally film anything your eyes can see from public property. There are far to many people who are ignorant of the law or who just make up lies.
However, in your specific case you were definitely standing on the rails which is Railroad property and were technically trespassing. The proof is in your own video.
@Edgar Daniels cross not stand on the tracks and film down them not only is he on railroad property but is also technically blocking the track
Yes anything except you can not legally film people without permission for a platform like youtube
@@sirkiller07 incorrect sir. You can film ANYTHING your eyes can see, however you must be on public property. There is no such thing as privacy when you are out in public view.
@@sirkiller07 No permission is needed in public. The Supreme court has ruled on it.
@@sirkiller07 Your full of crap. Your the person spreading false lies. If your in public you can film and record and post anything anywhere!!! Why would you make up such bill crap????? You better check the laws buddy, You don't have a clue about what your saying!!!!
Love that big diesel just growling away!
Hear that everyone, anyone who has ever drivin on that road has trespassed on railroad property
I guess the embarrassment of a derail was too much for this guy? wow.
How is it embarrassing? Buncha foamers got no i-fucking-dea how the railroad works.
@@stuff_n_thanngs7552 Or in this case, doesn't work.
@@tommytruth7595 derailments are nothing out of the ordinary in the snow. It happens. Its a set of trucks.
We really don't know if the MSP was actually called. In fact, I would say Asselin made it up. How would the MSP know who to call or what number to call. And MSP would not call to issue a "warning" over phone. Pretty damn lame Jason.
Call them, its now public record. I don't care what you think.
All these critics think they're Sherlock Holmes or Sargent Joe Friday ! Who cares !
Okay Da Str, you've had 3 weeks now to call the MSP. So, what did you find out anyway.
I'm really glad to see this railroad still has locomotives still in conrail paint, although they spray painted most of the letters out
Jason, I may have told you this before, but you're spot on, buddy! I know that you understand the dangers associated with the railroads (hazardous materials, logs falling off cars, derailments, hateful engineers, etc.). Happy New Year! I wish you much snow and many trains! Greg in TN
Thanks 👍
Why did they call the police on you
Common law presumes a road or pathway does not require prior approval for individual use if, by local custom and practice, the road or pathway has been generally been open to public assess for an extended period of time. This is particularly affirmarive if it is maintained by local government, including posting of customary traffic or road signage, and NOT marked by "Private Property" type signage. Furthermore, even if the railroad owns the roadway, by not exercising affirmative control over access to it for years, and allowing local government to maintain it, the railroad has relinquished its right to directly control public transit, and it cannot randomly exercise control over who uses it and who doesn't as long as the purpose is apparently safe and lawful. If the railroad wishes to reassert control over use of the road, it needs to do so affirmatively with signage, barriers, or other notification efforts. On a cold winter day, you were simply documenting an interesting event safely and from a distance on a roadway that is presumed by common law to be public. Although the railroad worker had a right to speak to you, he had no right to order you off public access roadway. You posed no impediment to the work of the rail crew or passing traffic. Your video could have been used on the local news, or even at a school for educational or vocational purposes. Your presence was harmless and wasn't even bothersome. Although railroads are understandably sensitive about accidents, there is no expectation of privacy by this crew, or the railroad in this location, nor is one imposed by law since this was an event that occurred in public view and easily observed by the public. Had this occurred inside a railroad yard, that would be a different matter. Also, if the worker had assaulted you, regardless of verbal provocation, you would likely have a cause of action against the railroad. As long as you are on public access property photographing generally observable events or incidents, or are on property not belonging to the railroad, you can photograph all you want. Most railroad crews are really friendly and enjoy the attention of rail fans. This guy was apparently miserably cold, annoyed with the task at hand, and felt the need to lash out at a bystander.
From where this guy is standing it is very obvious that he is fouling the tracks. As an engineer I have called in many trespassers on the alignment of my company. Our own police force would come out and arrest them for trespassing. The fines were steep. If he wanted to film from someone’s back yard that would be fine, but to walk anywhere on the alignment without having a clearance, authorization by controllers, and a safety vest on, he would be arrested, no if’s, ands, or buts, about it.
@@SJKile Sorry, but it is on a roadway and within the public right of way of that road. It is public property and he is within his right to be there and to be videoing everything and anything he wants to. At first he is on the side of a road, then he moves to being on a public road near a crossing.
Its a road, there's a stop sign
Ten thousand words when 30 will do
@@SJKile finally someone with a brain.
You might want to check the property map for your area, My Brother-in-law and Sister bought a house that was 50 feet from the tracks in my hometown. The railroad actually OWNED the property thru their garage and 2 feet of their kitchen. Why railroads are allowed so much property for "right of way" baffles me! So that side road may actually be on their property .
So your brother in law and sister didn't have to pay the taxes on that part of the property nor shovel or mow the lawn on that part of the property.
@@specialed6357 No they Did have to pay the taxes and mow their whole lawn! The railroad would NOT keep up the property, in our rural area the railroad just let's the weeds grow and chop them maybe once a year. As for the taxes, the Tax board charged according to what their plot map said! Even tho it was incorrect! As soon as my Sister found out the railroad owned part of the house and property the Builder was held liable and had to build them a New house on different property.
Jason, you shut that guy down cold, and he deserved it. He's probably used to intimidating a lot of people but it didn't take him too long to figure out he'd met his match on this one.
Let's get this clear, even if the railroad doesn't own the property, they have the right of way, which is no different than having an easement.
So, any property that is railroad right of way, is under the control of the railroad, they say what goes. If you are told to leave a railroad right of way, and you don't, you are essentially trespassing on railroad property.
Jason, you were in the right, but admittedly the situation was handled poorly on both sides. No problem with standing your ground, but no need to get childish and vulgar about it. Stay calm, collected and a matter-of-fact and you'll always come out on top... plus it infuriates those who know they're not correct. Remember what they say about going into battle with an idiot...
I can't imagine what the railroad worker was gettin' all bent outta shape over.... heck, if it was me workin' and I was doing a good job, I'd WANT people to see!! Not that I'm a braggart, but you know what I mean.
"I reject your warning; you weren't there to witness a trespass and therefore cannot lawfully issue me a warning. Have a nice day."
Yeah, doesn't really work that way. But unless the warning is in writing it's useless.
I love seeing those old Conrail locomotives great video man!
Unfortunate they we're acting like that, I've met several train drivers and railroad workers and so far all of them have been nice. I'd suspect he was just having a bad day, not that it justifies the way he acted towards you.
Or Jason started a bunch of shit, then turned the camera on to make himself look Ike a victim. He probably walked up there, talked shit, then fired up the video (or edited the part out where he effed with the workers). The whole video is based on the idea that the railroad workers were being dicks.
The railroad here in Tennessee are the same way that don't want you to be around
Fellow Tennessean here. That’s not exactly true. Just depends on the crew honestly. Old heads are less likely to report you as long as you aren’t bothering them.
Same as everywhere, some are friendly, some are nasty.
As long as you are on public property you can pretty much film/photograph most anything even if that thing/person is on private property. Good on you man for standing your ground and sticking up for your 1st amendment rights
These railroad man is stupid breaking the safety rules. Your are on a prublic road and 100% right.
We have enough "People of Authority" in our lives already. I can't stand it when people like him attempt to push authority on me that they don't actually have. So damned annoying in a Free society, and Freedom is the most important thing on Earth.
Shut the hell up, buddy and go do your job! Stop bothering people. . .
Filming a train is not hurting anyone anyway.
What was the shovel operator afraid of being filmed ? There is the real reason he was pretending to own the railroad.
i'd locate his boss, and send him the youtube link to the film. So far 6300 people looked at this, That makes what the shovel user was objecting about worthy of examination, like why did that locomotive come off the rails in the first place ?
18,000 on my stats. Realtime
Are you a management asskisser NaYawkr?
That dude was prob just pissed he got called in on his weekend off and it was freezing outside haha.
Lovely commentary. It’s wonderful to hear literate comments like “f -- this, f--- that” It does so much to describe the situation and resolve the issue.
He would make Gordon ramsey blush with that language.He forgot the beeps!
Yeah Jason I was standing on an old public street and was arrested searched cuffed and I used NO foul words or agression. I took pictures and brought an old map to court. Judge told me if I stay away from rails 6 months, she'd throw it out. But railroads keep permanent records on you forever. Stay safe brother...
Where I live it's the old people getting freaked out thinking I (and other railfans in the past) was stalking their house to rob it calling the cops while I waited on trains to photograph. Then cops cannot understand "Why do you photograph trains?". If your hobby isn't watching cars go in 100's of laps on a racetrack, watching football all day in the fall, sitting in a tree stand ready to shoot a deer, or getting plastered on hundreds of alcoholic beverages till you cannot stand up, you are weird.......at least in my part of the world.
Joseph Fine, there has to be more to that than you are sharing here. And I have encountered many cops in my travels (some OK, some ignorant).
Yes, myself as well sir, I'm 63. Track Rat forever.Another time I was walking and a buddy handed me a Bud 40oz, capped & sealed, and a crazed Cop jumped the curb, smashed my bottle in the street and hauled us to jail 3 days claiming "resisting arrest." We were in the wrong part of town on the wrong day, wrong Cop...I had to go to court and missed my whole Labor Day weekend after working 2 Jobs every day all year! Buffalo, NY is a Police State with Cops that should work for Idi Amin or some dictator. They can do what they want to you if you're not rich.
You big trespasser you ...... lol. I think his pride was hurt or something 🥺
This is very neat to watch. My dads a yuper from Dickinson county, close to you. Was up 2 years ago to spread the parents ashes and I realized how much I miss it. Hardwood is the city.
To me it would be simple to find out who owns what. Just go down to the county offices and ask to see deeds of the properties along the line. Ask them how much of each side of the rail line that the railroad owns. Seems to me that would clear the whole thing up quick, fast, and in a hurry.
I mean isn't train spotting and photographing like a pretty common thing?
Not unless you're recording gross incompetence.
On class 1 railroads the workers are use to it. It's all the other smaller companys. A small company near me CCET has had enough with people and has banned everyone including railfans.
@@CincyTristateRRHunting wait so no more railfanning CCET at all????
@@mutanay77 They can't do jack shit if you're on public land
I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I'll agree the crew member was probably worried about their legalities of any deficiencies they may have created to cause the derailment, or any discrepancies in their rerailment procedures. Insurance company investigators, and lawyers have a field day with these types of events.
But all in all, I'm a fan of trains, and found the video interesting. And if I were you, I'ld stay out of dark alleys for a while.
Zillow has Property lines on most (but not all) locations of its maps. Just in case you need to know that in the future.
The time of the Railroad and it's power and influence has long since been over. Even if they had any authority, it is a public right of way. Keep filming.
Quick lats get it back on the tracks before anyone sees us.
Years ago, a group of us were up at the Izaak Walton Inn in Glacier Park for our annual get-together of the Essexpress railfan group. As luck would have it, a BN freight split a switch where the track was very close to Montana US 2. A few of the cars careened through the trees, some ending up close to the mainline. Many of us had cameras, and out tour guide warned us to be "very judicious" particularly if there were any BN folks close by, because the RR folks didn't like photos of their accidents. Fortunately, no one showed up during our abbreviated visit! Seems like some things never change!
That's BNSF for you...CN can get that way too. However, I think a few higher ups are realizing we are harmless as long as we obey the rules which Jason did. A likely concern for some RR personnel is a threat to homeland security. We live in an era where far right/left wing nut cases are targeting weak or soft assets. So, if you run across a paranoid RR Police, just be nice, cooperate and follow their specific instructions. If anyone violates your civil rights, you have recourse with a supervisor and ultimately in a court of law.
If you’re not actually working, you need to stand way clear. 25 ft or so away from a rerailing is way to close. He was a hindrance to their work. 100 ft would be more appropriate in this situation.
So they are dragging the fuel tank, derailed a locomotive, called the cops, worked under an unsafe locomotive and held up traffic for a long time
While the railroad employee was out of line in the way he engaged you, there is a distinct possibility that the railroad does, indeed, own the land upon which the street is located, and may, indeed own the roadway itself.
In the town where I work, there are a number of streets which are on railroad property. The city's legal agreement with the railroad allows the streets to be used by the public, but the city must maintain them. When we need to do certain street, sewer, and water line work, permission must be obtained from the railroad, and the plans for the work approved before work can commence. Obviously, they want to be sure that any such work will not compromise the integrity of their railway, or create hazards for their equipment and workers or our workers, or the public. This is understandable, of course.
So the railroad employee may have been technically correct that even though you were, indeed on the street, you may have actually been on railroad property. If this was true, or even if it wasn't in this case, he should have been more diplomatic dealing with the public. He may have been concerned about safety, and trying to comply with his employer's rules to avoid getting into trouble himself, or he may have simply been concerned about your safety. Of course, cursing at you was obviously a poor way to approach this regardless.
You can easily find out if the location where you were standing is or is not property of the railroad, and that might prove interesting as a followup.
I, too, am amazed that they were able to re-rail the engine using such simple means. I figured they'd have some fancy special tool, perhaps involving special ramps that could be temporarily attached to the rails, or something like that. I'd be curious to see exactly how they did accomplish the job. I liked your video, and I know they wouldn't want you to be too close, but now I'm curious as to exactly what they did do to get the train's wheels to climb up onto and over the rails to get them back into proper position.
Interesting! Thanks for posting this.
You are right in a sense, that some roads are owned by railroads and leased to the city to maintain it. These roads are called rail maintance roads and weather they are paved or dirt depends on the railroad and city. Also in home rule cities the cities end up buying the roads from the railroads and leasing them back to the railroads so they can build pedestrian crossings over or under them. The reason it is like that is worker towns sprung up from the railroads in the past and people settled both sides of the track, non railroad town on one side, railroad town on other side. East and West Rovevillie, California was two separate towns until the first railroad crossing over the tracks was possible, the two towns became one and the railroad company sold the land to the home rule city to build and collect taxes with the understanding that land around the tracks could either be railroad maintence road or pedestrian crossing. Also any land that is near the railroad and out of the city that is not railroad land but to close to the tracks is federal land.
He was probably mad because he was the engineer who drove that train and had to clean up his own mistake.
I love the old Conrail paint job.
Wow, This brings back so many memories as a kid. That was an old Conrail Train that derail. It's been years since I have seen one rolling around... or in this case getting rerailed.
That looked Super dangerous, the way those guys were climbing under engine. Thats why they didn't want you to film. Their boss will see this, and blow his mind.